Exactly 50 years ago today, a woman was found deceased in Isdalen, Bergen, Norway. Half a century later, the mystery continues as she remains unidentified. If you would like to hear more about this case, I'd highly recommend the podcast, Death In Ice Valley, co-produced by NRK and the BBC: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060ms2h
I find it hard to believe that by now there isn't at least one distant relative's DNA uploaded to one of the genealogy databases, such that identification should only be a matter of time.
I listened to the BBC-NRK podcast about her and the Norwegian expert on the case said there are legal issues in Norway with using DNA Doe or something.
That's silly.. because genealogy has only been around a very short time, even shorter than dna being utilized in forensic science. They say theres 20 million different people in the worldwide database in 2023. Which sounds like a ton but when there'6 billion people that's nothing. I'm 33 & have been arrested before & my dna isn't in the database. & If a modern day former criminal with 33 years on Earth isn't in it, how can we expect a family member of this ladies be in it?
Bears some resemblance to the 1995 case of ”Jennifer Fergate” who was found dead with a gun in her hand in an Oslo hotel. Also never identified, not yet anyway. There were also an unidentified (possible clues pointed at him maybe being German)man found unequipped for hiking in the wilderness near Esrange space center in northenmost Sweden in 1979. Strange but unfortunately difficult to find much information on him even in swedish.
The Oslo case was suspected to be government related because those agencies typically remove clothing labels to make sure there’s no way it can come back to them
Mysterious thing that binds us my great grandparents used to talk about this case when I was 10 and 11 when I first got into the unsolved cases first one I read was Iowa ax murders house I was surprised to find it as far north I was from Iowa in a abandoned house
Yes, I'm Norwegian, and this is the first real life mystery I can remember. Not just who she was, where she was from, and how she died, but also what the heck she was doing. She was not a spy, but she must have been a courier or middleman of some kind.
I’ve always found the cases of Somerton Man in Australia, Isdal Woman, and Jeniffer Furgate cases to be eerily similar. The strange movements about a country that they are seemingly not from. The lack of labels on their clothes. And the single strange or unusual clue in each - the Tamam Shud in the first; the passports and money of the second; and the uneaten food of the third.
Somerton Man was identified recently. We still don't know the circumstances in which he found himself prior to his demised but knowing who he was is already a step towards solving the mystery. I hope the Isdal Woman and Jennife Fergate will also be identified soon.
@@livrosespiritasnarradosI just watched a segment about this like a week ago. In that documentary, they had some theories on what happened to him. But I fully agree, I’m glad they finally identified him. I hope one day, these ladies will be identified as well.
Since there were no signs of a fire on the ground under her, I don't see how her death could have been a suicide. I agree that she was an intelligence agent, possibly a double agent, which would explain why she was killed. It would also explain the multiple passports, the non-stop travel, only staying one place for a short time, and the frequent requests to change hotel rooms. It definitely sounds like she was trying to outrun someone who was after her.
I feel like genetic genealogy will be the key in identifying her. We got an isotope analysis that has told us she spent her early years either in or near Nuremberg, which is in Bavaria, before moving to either the Rhineland Palatinate or else Alsace. I’m a big supporter of the Alsace angle as that region has passed through French and German control several times which has resulted in a heavy German influence. Edit: I’m a dolt. I forgot about Saarland as being a possible area she grew up in after leaving Bavaria. Like the Rhineland Palatinate Saarland is located along the French-German border and the isotope analysis results did say after leaving Bavaria she either moved to Alsace or an area along the French-German border. Also Saarland does have ties to France just as Alsace has ties to Germany. I don’t know how big the French-speaking community was in Saarland before and during World War II but today a large proportion of the population in Saarland speak French on top of Rhine Franconian, which is a High German dialect. Remember the people who heard her mentioned she spoke German so it’s possible she spoke in a dialect belonging to the High German language family. So now we have three areas connected to the border area between France and Germany which means a large number of possible places she came from.
It seems like another spy killing to me, I still find it hard to believe that these people are never missed, unless they had already "died" in another life, how sad, I just hope her life made a difference in a good way and not for evil.
They asked a ton of spies and they said she behaved too conspicuously to be a spy and if it had been a spy killing she would never have been found and not killed in this weird ass roundabout way
I was wondering about this. I've read about this case before but dont remember this detail so curious as to why it hasnt been highlighted and investigated
Exactly! That's a huge lead. Also, I believe she was recognized from a fashion trade show in Paris that year. Sounds like authorities didn't want that case solved, but now? And Doesn't make sense no DNA matches are coming up?
Love the narrators voice and content .. I am from Stavanger Norway and my grandfather worked at the show shop where this woman made a purchase at the time she was there .. this case has always intrigued me .. she does seem like the classic cold war spy ... loved you video
When I first saw that it was the Isdal woman, I thought of skipping it as what new angle could be taken? As I rate this and the Somerton Man the two greatest mysteries of the post 2WW Cold War period, I took a chance. Worth it, as this did come with a new angle and original presentation- under the guise of the perfect voice and music. There are so many similarities between the Isdal Woman and the Somerton Man- both well dressed, quite out of place where they were found, clues found in unclaimed luggage lockers, their clothes tags removed, coded messages, etc. It appears both were involved in eastern European espionage and killed as consequence of their activities.
Thank you for this upload, as I have never heard it before. Also it’s a pleasure listening to your voice and your accent. Cheers from Australia, Melbourne. 🙏☮💜
I reckon she must have known that the game was up, after being hunted down for months, downed the pills but was found by those two men before they took effect. They had probably been pursuing her for months, and were determined to make her pay and send a big “fuck you” to her employer
Am I the only one who doesn't find it too unlikely that she was in fact an antiques dealer? Antiques dealing can be a shady business. I knew a coin collector who said that the line of work is full of criminals. I could imagine that she might have been involved in a heist, was a witness to one or was just extra careful and took precautions not to be detected, you know what I'm getting at. Only problem with that theory is that she said it herself. But even then, I would entertain the idea that when concealing your identity, it's generally advised not to stray too far from your original identity. If you're from germany, don't try to impersonate a chinese person unless you're some sort of genius. Stick with what you know, don't try to be fancy.
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One of my all time favorite mysteries. She was either a secret agent of some kind, or involved in some other sort of criminal activity. The witness being told to forget what he saw, leads me to believe either the police and/or government agents were involved in covering up her murder. I suppose it's possible a local person of some celebrity was involved in her killing, but the fact her name and all labels were removed from her personal possessions makes me think otherwise. Wish we could find out her name.
There were no fake passports found in the suitcase. The hotel checking-in cards showed several fake names and passports from certain countries. Her body was found with a ring that looked like the kind at the time used to attach a passport photo; remember in those days, they didn't digitally scan an image into a biometric page for your passport, it was a film photo attached to a paper page so it was probably easier to fake passports then.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3WRb0vGRSrgpZXW8nvskB11/the-isdal-womans-many-identities This is a webpage with 6 passport numbers on different hotel cards.
Norway was a meeting place for NATO strategy meetings etc.. Likely she was an East German kgb using tradecraft to avoid detection. I’ve been waiting for someone to see the parallels in the Fergate case and the Isdal women. Great points as well.
It’s why I doubt it was suicide. This sounds like overkill. Whoever she was someone wanted her identity to be forgotten which is why it’s very important we find any family members. They deserve to be given closure about her death, that she didn’t just cut all ties with them. We know she spent time in Bavaria (either in or near Nuremberg) before moving to the France-Germany border area which is composed of the Rhineland-Palatinate, Saarland and Alsace so we should begin investigating in these areas. Assuming she had siblings and they had kids who didn’t move far we could find at least one family member by genetic genealogy.
Thank you for covering this one. I had heard it before, but I like your version and pronunciations. I think she was a spy. If she was found face up and yet her face was badly burnt, then she didn't commit suicide. Had she built the fire into the ground, then taken the pills to make sure she couldn't struggle away from the fire, she most likely would have lain on her back. That would not have burnt her face or any topside of her body. Perhaps she rolled in her sleep, okay. Why wasn't more of her clothing burnt? I believe someone killed her for what she knew, or at least for what they thought she knew. Thanks Kirsty.
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Crazy tragedy I spend a lot of time in Bergen, my mother is Norwegian, next year, in may, I'm going back, providing covid travel bans are lifted, I'm looking into this Thank you
In my hometown (Plant City, FL) there was a story about a man (Hodasz) who was lynched in 1930, as he was said to have put a bomb under a house. There was much whispering as to whether he did it or not and why. Might be interesting to look into.
Bremont SOLO watches are apparently expensive british watches, sold even today. It would be interesting to see what her DNA code says about her roots, there is a possibility that it would at least show some direction where she was possibly from.
PS to my earlier comment- The Norwegian authorities hypothesising that it was suicide, which is preposterous, implicates the involvement of the Norwegian government in her death. I listened to the podcast, and the spoon with the initials within a heart of , SCH-P is interesting.
The fact she spent a lot of time in Stavanger gives it away. Also trying to collect on two German Navy personnel. She was totally working for the Soviets.
Cayleigh Elise covered it, if you used to follow her. A user has reuploaded her videos from her deleted channel. I think Cayleigh Elise was the first I heard of this case. ruclips.net/video/ctsbCZksnwY/видео.html
I've looked carefully at her reconstructions over time. I initially thought that she may have been of Jewish descent (many Catholics in that area are descended from Jews that converted during the Inquisition, certainly including some of my forebearers). Looking again, she also resembles pictures I have seen of people from eastern Russia/Siberia that have an Asian cast to their features, making her having been a Soviet agent that much more plausible. In all of the things I have seen about her, there has never been any mention of anyone hearing her speak Russian but her cover would have been blown if she had.
This reminds me of the case on Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix Season 2 of an unidentified woman in a hotel in Norway. Police first said suicide, she was shot in the head. But after questions, appears she was killed. No one has been able to identify her. Labels on her clothes also cut off. Journalist took up the cause of finding out who she was, but no definitive I.D. She also was probably a spy.
there should be an international codis database for genetic genealogy. she might have relatives on other continents. same with jennifer fergate. let’s get cece moore on this!!
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She could not write that her identity Alexia was from Ljubljana SLOVENIA because Slovenia as a country didn't exist so she could only wrote YUGOSLAVIA. Isdal women case is so incredibly similar to JENNIFER FERGATE case.
If you're interested in pursuing an under-explored case with similar parallels, you might look into Chautauqua County Jane Doe (aka Ellery Doe). A woman found shot to death (including a shot through the mouth) along a relatively remote stretch of highway in western New York. No ID of any sort. Lots of hints (clothing, IUD, dental work) that she is not American but European, possibly Canadian. Mysterious notations on a notepad from a motel in British Columbia. No matching missing person reports.
It would sound as if she was dealing in something illicit, like diamonds, drugs or stolen goods. Most people don't have multiple identities and passports, usually these are things used by people on the run or working under radars. The meetings in hotel rooms with unknown men promotes my feeling that she must have been dealing with something dark or dangerous, as clearly she did end up dead.🐾🌈☮️🇨🇦
I have heard this story told by all my favorite true mystery RUclips content creators. If I have to guess, I'd say it's been approximately a year and 5 to 10 versions or creative retelling later, I came across the BBC special about this mystery. It's a multi episode and it inspired me to Google search this story. Images of the crime scene as well as her face come up in much more detail than I expected to find. I could hardly stand to gaze upon her face, post mortem. I usually have no trouble with such images but something about her face. It's quite haunting.
Watch this channels video on Jennifer Fergate, eerily similar this! First thing I thought of and this woman stayed at the Oslo too like Jennifer Fergate! Weird.
Apparently she never gave him her real name. Which suggests she was hiding from someone. Instead of suggesting a spy angle it could be possible she was hiding from an abusive ex-partner. I heard stories of women changing names and changing hair color to hide from abusive spouses.
I think she was working undercover for someone and a quite a few. Got out of control and got murdered. I wonder what her DNA could tell us today if we was able to get her DNA as in her name and maybe her background
Would I be correct in that by "jumper" you meant what we in the USA call a "pullover sweater" instead of what we call a "jumper," which is a "pinafore" in British English?
So let me get this straight: An "antiques" dealer, travelling Europe under multiple changing aliases, being killed in a ritualistic way? Sorry, but that sounds more like an SPN episode rather than an actual mystery.
Whatever it is she's doing, she's absolutely dedicated to it. So much effort going into travelling and keeping her different personas going. Who were the army around her supplying her info and cash? Because she can't have done all that alone. I can't remember hearing about the Italian photographer she met in Oppdal, if they looked into him and he was a legit person, what did he say about meeting her? For someone who operated so covertly, I wonder what she'd make of being so well known? Every minute detail of her death discussed endlessly by people scattered the world over.
It's interesting that no one thought to hunt down the optician who sold her the glasses or the od who did her refraction. Even with a fake name, if she has a unique rx, they can retrace their steps, starting with the region they thinks she's from.
Garlic was very little used over here,and unknown by many. There were other people found dead in similar fashion ,usually not rar from exercise areas,or clos to the shore . Cut off tags, food parcels,tarp, water bottles and such. Some books and articles mentioned certain amount of food were poisoned so they sat and waited for some transport that never came,
What if she was trying to run from an abusive relationship with someone who had $ & was into shady stuff. Maybe they tried to 1st make it look like an overdose & she didn't die fast enough & they panicked & then did the fire. Idk, I lean towards the spy theory but what if it's not so complex.
It sounds like the things put around her were grave goods. You had water and a cup and spoon bread. The lump of fat under her could have been some kind of meat. Odd but the world is an odd place
Police spoke with him. He gave her a ride to hotel, they ate dinner together, she told him she is from small town nearby Johannesburg in South Africa and has 6 months to see the most beautiful places in Norway, no more details. She really kept her identity a secret.
This case feels familiar to the one of the woman in the 90s (i think it was) who was murdered in a hotel room where the labels of her clothes were removed also
I'm not completely certain but I think it's something to do with laws of transportation with dead bodies. So if she is identified she can be returned to her family/home
Exactly 50 years ago today, a woman was found deceased in Isdalen, Bergen, Norway. Half a century later, the mystery continues as she remains unidentified. If you would like to hear more about this case, I'd highly recommend the podcast, Death In Ice Valley, co-produced by NRK and the BBC: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p060ms2h
Great podcast, most in-depth research in this case I have found(and I am very interested in it so I have looked around...)
Great video and I'm glad you linked to the podcast because more people will see it than if I had.
Am I losing my mind, or have you covered this one before?
Ah you've already answered below.
Another one Jennifer Fairgate is just as mysterious. Hers occurred in 1995. These cases are very sad because nobody knows anything it seems.
I find it hard to believe that by now there isn't at least one distant relative's DNA uploaded to one of the genealogy databases, such that identification should only be a matter of time.
I mean if she was a spy or someone working fro the gov then itd make sense if the government knows who it rlly is bu jus won't tell the public🤷🏽♀️
Has to do with privacy.
I listened to the BBC-NRK podcast about her and the Norwegian expert on the case said there are legal issues in Norway with using DNA Doe or something.
@@rp8114 then the several million unidentified people must all be spies according to your logic 🤦🏻♀️
That's silly.. because genealogy has only been around a very short time, even shorter than dna being utilized in forensic science. They say theres 20 million different people in the worldwide database in 2023. Which sounds like a ton but when there'6 billion people that's nothing. I'm 33 & have been arrested before & my dna isn't in the database. & If a modern day former criminal with 33 years on Earth isn't in it, how can we expect a family member of this ladies be in it?
Bears some resemblance to the 1995 case of ”Jennifer Fergate” who was found dead with a gun in her hand in an Oslo hotel. Also never identified, not yet anyway. There were also an unidentified (possible clues pointed at him maybe being German)man found unequipped for hiking in the wilderness near Esrange space center in northenmost Sweden in 1979. Strange but unfortunately difficult to find much information on him even in swedish.
I was thinking this the whole way through.
The two women look eerily similar !
There's an amazing but disturbing interactive crime scene of this case at shorturl.at/ioKX0
Curiosities has also covered that case if you haven't checked it out!
The Oslo case was suspected to be government related because those agencies typically remove clothing labels to make sure there’s no way it can come back to them
A case that has always fascinated me.
Me too!
Mysterious thing that binds us my great grandparents used to talk about this case when I was 10 and 11 when I first got into the unsolved cases first one I read was Iowa ax murders house I was surprised to find it as far north I was from Iowa in a abandoned house
Yes, I'm Norwegian, and this is the first real life mystery I can remember. Not just who she was, where she was from, and how she died, but also what the heck she was doing. She was not a spy, but she must have been a courier or middleman of some kind.
and me ... i heard a fantastic documentory on radio four
@@Kari.F. why do you say she wasn't a spy
I’ve always found the cases of Somerton Man in Australia, Isdal Woman, and Jeniffer Furgate cases to be eerily similar. The strange movements about a country that they are seemingly not from. The lack of labels on their clothes. And the single strange or unusual clue in each - the Tamam Shud in the first; the passports and money of the second; and the uneaten food of the third.
Yes! Very true! These are the most fascinating cases because there are potentially so many loose ends.
don't forget that Jeniffer Fargate apparently carried with her no pants/other clothes and just a briefcase full of bullets... super weird stuff
Somerton Man was identified recently. We still don't know the circumstances in which he found himself prior to his demised but knowing who he was is already a step towards solving the mystery. I hope the Isdal Woman and Jennife Fergate will also be identified soon.
@@livrosespiritasnarradosI just watched a segment about this like a week ago. In that documentary, they had some theories on what happened to him. But I fully agree, I’m glad they finally identified him. I hope one day, these ladies will be identified as well.
Somerton Man was identified and he was just a regular guy who went through a divorce lol
Since there were no signs of a fire on the ground under her, I don't see how her death could have been a suicide.
I agree that she was an intelligence agent, possibly a double agent, which would explain why she was killed. It would also explain the multiple passports, the non-stop travel, only staying one place for a short time, and the frequent requests to change hotel rooms. It definitely sounds like she was trying to outrun someone who was after her.
Exactly. I have never bought the suicide argument. If she took that many pills she probably wouldn’t have been functional enough to even light a fire.
These cases are so sad and tragic.
You tell them very professionally, and your voice is lovely.
I feel like genetic genealogy will be the key in identifying her. We got an isotope analysis that has told us she spent her early years either in or near Nuremberg, which is in Bavaria, before moving to either the Rhineland Palatinate or else Alsace. I’m a big supporter of the Alsace angle as that region has passed through French and German control several times which has resulted in a heavy German influence.
Edit: I’m a dolt. I forgot about Saarland as being a possible area she grew up in after leaving Bavaria. Like the Rhineland Palatinate Saarland is located along the French-German border and the isotope analysis results did say after leaving Bavaria she either moved to Alsace or an area along the French-German border. Also Saarland does have ties to France just as Alsace has ties to Germany. I don’t know how big the French-speaking community was in Saarland before and during World War II but today a large proportion of the population in Saarland speak French on top of Rhine Franconian, which is a High German dialect. Remember the people who heard her mentioned she spoke German so it’s possible she spoke in a dialect belonging to the High German language family. So now we have three areas connected to the border area between France and Germany which means a large number of possible places she came from.
It seems like another spy killing to me, I still find it hard to believe that these people are never missed, unless they had already "died" in another life, how sad, I just hope her life made a difference in a good way and not for evil.
They asked a ton of spies and they said she behaved too conspicuously to be a spy and if it had been a spy killing she would never have been found and not killed in this weird ass roundabout way
There's just something really eerie about unidentified people.
They’re spies
@@WesternXC Rather, just involved in some shade.
@@WesternXC yeah, all the MILLIONS unidentified people around the world are spies, all of them 🤦🏻♀️
Especially when there's no proper trails
@rm4880 No, most are just trafficked and or people with no family who care about them. Makes it all a bit sadder, eh?
I wonder if anyone spoke to the Photographer she stayed with. They had his card and contact info.
I was wondering about this. I've read about this case before but dont remember this detail so curious as to why it hasnt been highlighted and investigated
They did. He claimed she never told him her real name.
@@mortechrome makes sense, she didn’t want anyone to know
Exactly! That's a huge lead. Also, I believe she was recognized from a fashion trade show in Paris that year. Sounds like authorities didn't want that case solved, but now? And Doesn't make sense no DNA matches are coming up?
My first thought was she was a spy. Either that or she was hiding from someone.
Or both
Agreed.
Love the narrators voice and content .. I am from Stavanger Norway and my grandfather worked at the show shop where this woman made a purchase at the time she was there .. this case has always intrigued me .. she does seem like the classic cold war spy ... loved you video
When I first saw that it was the Isdal woman, I thought of skipping it as what new angle could be taken? As I rate this and the Somerton Man the two greatest mysteries of the post 2WW Cold War period, I took a chance. Worth it, as this did come with a new angle and original presentation- under the guise of the perfect voice and music. There are so many similarities between the Isdal Woman and the Somerton Man- both well dressed, quite out of place where they were found, clues found in unclaimed luggage lockers, their clothes tags removed, coded messages, etc. It appears both were involved in eastern European espionage and killed as consequence of their activities.
Thank you for this upload, as I have never heard it before. Also it’s a pleasure listening to your voice and your accent. Cheers from Australia, Melbourne. 🙏☮💜
Courier / spy. Likely visiting dead drops or doing handoffs. That's the best explanation for that amount of travel and fits with everything else.
This woman was definitely an agent. Removing labels alone is a HUGE indicator, let alone the fake names and passports.
I never think much of someone removing labels. I always remove labels on clothing because I find them itchy.
@@AutumnFalls89it wasn't just her clothes
This case reminds me of the Oslo Hotel woman from the mid 90s. 1995 I think.
Jennifer Fergate/Fairgate. :)
I reckon she must have known that the game was up, after being hunted down for months, downed the pills but was found by those two men before they took effect. They had probably been pursuing her for months, and were determined to make her pay and send a big “fuck you” to her employer
I believe the hiker dude that saw two men flowing a woman in that valley.I think they forced those pills down her throw hence the bruise on her neck,
Strange smell similar to garlic...skin cream...my guess is she had used a selenium sulfide product for dandruff or seborrheic dermatitis.
This case never fail to give me chills.
Am I the only one who doesn't find it too unlikely that she was in fact an antiques dealer?
Antiques dealing can be a shady business. I knew a coin collector who said that the line of work is full of criminals. I could imagine that she might have been involved in a heist, was a witness to one or was just extra careful and took precautions not to be detected, you know what I'm getting at.
Only problem with that theory is that she said it herself. But even then, I would entertain the idea that when concealing your identity, it's generally advised not to stray too far from your original identity. If you're from germany, don't try to impersonate a chinese person unless you're some sort of genius. Stick with what you know, don't try to be fancy.
Sounds like cold war spy stuff. We'll never know.
Absolutely a spy
I have seen several reports on this case, but must say your coverage is very thorough and very well done!!!!! Thank you for sharing this case on the anniversary!!!! Stay safe!!! Best wishes from Kentucky, USA!!
I have watched many videos about this case. This is by far the most information I've ever seen. Well done
Great video, weird and tragic story.the content you produce is second to none...
One of my all time favorite mysteries. She was either a secret agent of some kind, or involved in some other sort of criminal activity. The witness being told to forget what he saw, leads me to believe either the police and/or government agents were involved in covering up her murder. I suppose it's possible a local person of some celebrity was involved in her killing, but the fact her name and all labels were removed from her personal possessions makes me think otherwise. Wish we could find out her name.
Isdalen translates to Ice Valley.
Or icedale
Love both you and Kirsty Skye. Thank you for another highly intriguing documentary.
This case has always stuck with me. I wish we had answers! Thank you for covering this mysterious case.
Just wondering since they found a bunch of fake passports in the briefcase, don't the passports contain any photo of her?
@Chad Mower yeah. Killer took the photos I’m sure. Good catch.
No passports were found.
@Chad Mower But the passports were in the briefcases left in the baggage locker
There were no fake passports found in the suitcase. The hotel checking-in cards showed several fake names and passports from certain countries. Her body was found with a ring that looked like the kind at the time used to attach a passport photo; remember in those days, they didn't digitally scan an image into a biometric page for your passport, it was a film photo attached to a paper page so it was probably easier to fake passports then.
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3WRb0vGRSrgpZXW8nvskB11/the-isdal-womans-many-identities This is a webpage with 6 passport numbers on different hotel cards.
This case always reminds me of the Somerton Man, loads of bizarre factors that may point to spywork but ultimately mostly a mystery
Er wurde mittlerweile identifiziert.
Somerton Man was identified and he wasn't a spy 😂
I enjoyed the content, this reminds me of the Jennifer Fergate mystery.
Yeah it's almost identical and so chilling
Norway was a meeting place for NATO strategy meetings etc.. Likely she was an East German kgb using tradecraft to avoid detection. I’ve been waiting for someone to see the parallels in the Fergate case and the Isdal women. Great points as well.
@@Shot_Gunner another person said that the Isdal Woman was an East German spy that was murdered.
Yap, this is the link:
ruclips.net/video/zxVW5WDV0UM/видео.html
I am originally from Norway. Looking forward to listen tonight.
With all that dental work it's a shame this did not result in identification of the mutilated lady.
Her death sounds like torture . She was semi-conscious ,rhen set afire. She had some essentials, a fire ,posed ... It is an interesting "suicide".
It’s why I doubt it was suicide. This sounds like overkill. Whoever she was someone wanted her identity to be forgotten which is why it’s very important we find any family members. They deserve to be given closure about her death, that she didn’t just cut all ties with them. We know she spent time in Bavaria (either in or near Nuremberg) before moving to the France-Germany border area which is composed of the Rhineland-Palatinate, Saarland and Alsace so we should begin investigating in these areas. Assuming she had siblings and they had kids who didn’t move far we could find at least one family member by genetic genealogy.
She had inhaled smoke before she died?
Not a suicide she was killed by two men
How was she posed? The body naturally goes into that position when it's burned
This case will be solved soon. Genetic genealogy will break this case wide open.
It’s been awhile since I’ve been back on here but, that 🎙 mic is beautiful! Keep up the great content...
This is the best in depth presentation on this 😢case 🙏,sweetly told as usual ✔
Thank you for covering this one. I had heard it before, but I like your version and pronunciations. I think she was a spy. If she was found face up and yet her face was badly burnt, then she didn't commit suicide. Had she built the fire into the ground, then taken the pills to make sure she couldn't struggle away from the fire, she most likely would have lain on her back. That would not have burnt her face or any topside of her body. Perhaps she rolled in her sleep, okay. Why wasn't more of her clothing burnt? I believe someone killed her for what she knew, or at least for what they thought she knew. Thanks Kirsty.
One of the BEST videos I've ever seen!! Wow, such intrigue!!! Great job, love your channel!!! I just stumbled on it today!!! Thank you for sharing. Best from Washington State!
If I’m ever identified by a stranger I hope I’m not identified as having a strong smell of flaming hot Cheetos.
Crazy tragedy
I spend a lot of time in Bergen, my mother is Norwegian, next year, in may, I'm going back, providing covid travel bans are lifted, I'm looking into this
Thank you
In my hometown (Plant City, FL) there was a story about a man (Hodasz) who was lynched in 1930, as he was said to have put a bomb under a house. There was much whispering as to whether he did it or not and why. Might be interesting to look into.
Bremont SOLO watches are apparently expensive british watches, sold even today.
It would be interesting to see what her DNA code says about her roots, there is a possibility that it would at least show some direction where she was possibly from.
PS to my earlier comment- The Norwegian authorities hypothesising that it was suicide, which is preposterous, implicates the involvement of the Norwegian government in her death. I listened to the podcast, and the spoon with the initials within a heart of , SCH-P is interesting.
The fact she spent a lot of time in Stavanger gives it away. Also trying to collect on two German Navy personnel. She was totally working for the Soviets.
Why is Stavanger significant?
@@riggs20 high level personnel and meeting place for NATO strategists. She was probably East German KGB
I couldn't imagine coming across a person in that condition.
About halfway into this, I realized I've heard about this case before. I can't remember which true crime person that I follow did the story though.
Cayleigh Elise covered it, if you used to follow her. A user has reuploaded her videos from her deleted channel. I think Cayleigh Elise was the first I heard of this case. ruclips.net/video/ctsbCZksnwY/видео.html
Wow! Ironically I'm watching this video for the first time... on November 29, 2020 exactly 50 years after the incident.
The drawings of her bear such a striking resemblance to Mariska Hargitay that I picture Isdal Woman looking like her. :)
I've looked carefully at her reconstructions over time. I initially thought that she may have been of Jewish descent (many Catholics in that area are descended from Jews that converted during the Inquisition, certainly including some of my forebearers). Looking again, she also resembles pictures I have seen of people from eastern Russia/Siberia that have an Asian cast to their features, making her having been a Soviet agent that much more plausible. In all of the things I have seen about her, there has never been any mention of anyone hearing her speak Russian but her cover would have been blown if she had.
How do you not have more subs your videos are very detailed and well made
Thank you for uploading this again. .
Is this a re-upload? I could’ve sworn I’ve seen this before
Yesss! Glad I'm not the only one who noticed lol, I thought my brain was playing tricks on me by thinking she covered this case already
I think it may have been an anniversary reload... 50 years.
This has to be a re-upload I remember watching this one I swear!
@@emmaesterberg4316 it's all over different RUclips channels
perhaps you’ve seen the buzzfeed unsolved version
This reminds me of the case on Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix Season 2 of an unidentified woman in a hotel in Norway. Police first said suicide, she was shot in the head. But after questions, appears she was killed. No one has been able to identify her. Labels on her clothes also cut off. Journalist took up the cause of finding out who she was, but no definitive I.D. She also was probably a spy.
Jennifer Fairgate! Dark Curiosities has a video about her, it's very good :)
@@raniabaehaki7868 Jennifer Fergate.
This case is a favorite of mine. The podcast series about it just added to the story.
there should be an international codis database for genetic genealogy. she might have relatives on other continents. same with jennifer fergate. let’s get cece moore on this!!
Oh fentanyl is an opioid (pain medication) often only used in end of life or cancer patients. It’s over 100xs more powerful than morphine. Great job on the video 🖤🖤 you’re very composed & speak so clearly & slowly. I love your channel.
They didn't have Fentanyl in 1970's ... Sherlock!
I think you're rite with the cold war espionage thing good doc ty.
Enjoyed the new episode DC. Stay Safe Sweetheart!😀
I am really impressed that you pronounce «isdalkvinnen» in perfekt Norwegian. Have you been to Norway? Great job👍🥰
This is like the Tamam (sp) Shud case in Australia! I always thought they both were spies. Thanks for the upload DC!
And the Oslo hotel woman. All her belongings had the labels removed too.
@@trishpipkins aah that case yeah.
The Somerton man case has largely been solved, but is very bizarre.
reminds me of the woman in the hotel in Oslo, she also had something of a spy about her.
She could not write that her identity Alexia was from Ljubljana SLOVENIA because Slovenia as a country didn't exist so she could only wrote YUGOSLAVIA.
Isdal women case is so incredibly similar to JENNIFER FERGATE case.
If you're interested in pursuing an under-explored case with similar parallels, you might look into Chautauqua County Jane Doe (aka Ellery Doe). A woman found shot to death (including a shot through the mouth) along a relatively remote stretch of highway in western New York. No ID of any sort. Lots of hints (clothing, IUD, dental work) that she is not American but European, possibly Canadian. Mysterious notations on a notepad from a motel in British Columbia. No matching missing person reports.
Perfect for the early hours of the morning here in England ❤❤
It would sound as if she was dealing in something illicit, like diamonds, drugs or stolen goods. Most people don't have multiple identities and passports, usually these are things used by people on the run or working under radars. The meetings in hotel rooms with unknown men promotes my feeling that she must have been dealing with something dark or dangerous, as clearly she did end up dead.🐾🌈☮️🇨🇦
I have heard this story told by all my favorite true mystery RUclips content creators. If I have to guess, I'd say it's been approximately a year and 5 to 10 versions or creative retelling later, I came across the BBC special about this mystery. It's a multi episode and it inspired me to Google search this story. Images of the crime scene as well as her face come up in much more detail than I expected to find. I could hardly stand to gaze upon her face, post mortem. I usually have no trouble with such images but something about her face. It's quite haunting.
A body in such condition isn't right
Very respectfully done.
thank you for providing so much more information than i previously knew. strange case.
Why do I feel like you've covered this case already lol, I'm having weird déjà vu 😅 or maybe someone else did it and I'm just remembering it
I was thinking the same thing!
Me too! But i watched it again anyway so interesting and sad.
Watch this channels video on Jennifer Fergate, eerily similar this! First thing I thought of and this woman stayed at the Oslo too like Jennifer Fergate! Weird.
ruclips.net/video/zxVW5WDV0UM/видео.html
they covered it on buzzfeed unsolved
If they know she was with some known Italian photographer, why wouldn't they ask him about her???? Seems the most logical and obvious thing to do.
Apparently she never gave him her real name. Which suggests she was hiding from someone. Instead of suggesting a spy angle it could be possible she was hiding from an abusive ex-partner. I heard stories of women changing names and changing hair color to hide from abusive spouses.
Such a wild story it reminds me of the Jennifer Fairgate story!
I can see a lot of similarities to that woman found dead in a hotel Oslo. Also there are shades of Somertown Man. All three show many similarities
Isdalen mean 'the ice valley', not the death valley. But the valley is ALSO called death valley.
This was an impressive watch, thank you
I think she was working undercover for someone and a quite a few. Got out of control and got murdered. I wonder what her DNA could tell us today if we was able to get her DNA as in her name and maybe her background
Would I be correct in that by "jumper" you meant what we in the USA call a "pullover sweater" instead of what we call a "jumper," which is a "pinafore" in British English?
Yes that's what the narrator meant.
@@Reticence9zen924 Thank you.
Fifty years ago today. Damn.
So let me get this straight:
An "antiques" dealer, travelling Europe under multiple changing aliases, being killed in a ritualistic way? Sorry, but that sounds more like an SPN episode rather than an actual mystery.
Whatever it is she's doing, she's absolutely dedicated to it.
So much effort going into travelling and keeping her different personas going.
Who were the army around her supplying her info and cash? Because she can't have done all that alone.
I can't remember hearing about the Italian photographer she met in Oppdal, if they looked into him and he was a legit person, what did he say about meeting her?
For someone who operated so covertly, I wonder what she'd make of being so well known? Every minute detail of her death discussed endlessly by people scattered the world over.
It's interesting that no one thought to hunt down the optician who sold her the glasses or the od who did her refraction. Even with a fake name, if she has a unique rx, they can retrace their steps, starting with the region they thinks she's from.
The glasses were sunglasses or non-prescription.
She was probably a spy
Strikes me as some type of intelligence officer, maybe a courier with all the travel.
Ask Jonna Mendez (if you don't know her, her videos are gold). She may actually know. But that doesn't mean that she'll tell...
Well. Pills, alcohol, cigarettes, job as secret agent and mountain climbing are a bad combination...
In the 1970s they called that breakfast
Garlic was very little used over here,and unknown by many. There were other people found dead in similar fashion ,usually not rar from exercise areas,or clos to the shore . Cut off tags, food parcels,tarp, water bottles and such. Some books and articles mentioned certain amount of food were poisoned so they sat and waited for some transport that never came,
How poetic that the woman of disguise dies without a name.
She had to have been a spy.
What if she was trying to run from an abusive relationship with someone who had $ & was into shady stuff. Maybe they tried to 1st make it look like an overdose & she didn't die fast enough & they panicked & then did the fire. Idk, I lean towards the spy theory but what if it's not so complex.
You’re right. It could be possible she was hiding from an abusive partner. The level of overkill suggests a strong amount of hatred towards her.
Two bizarre Norway Does, along with Jennifer Fairgate it’s amazing to me what is at the heart of these stories.
It sounds like the things put around her were grave goods. You had water and a cup and spoon bread. The lump of fat under her could have been some kind of meat. Odd but the world is an odd place
More probably melted fat from her body. It happens with a burnt body.
Hadn't you already uploaded this?
The video has been tweaked and updated accordingly as today marks the 50th anniversary of The Isdal Woman being discovered in Isdalen.
She looks like Melania Trump before she had that plastic surgery
There’s no info from the photographer? 🤷🏼♀️
Police spoke with him. He gave her a ride to hotel, they ate dinner together, she told him she is from small town nearby Johannesburg in South Africa and has 6 months to see the most beautiful places in Norway, no more details. She really kept her identity a secret.
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This case feels familiar to the one of the woman in the 90s (i think it was) who was murdered in a hotel room where the labels of her clothes were removed also
Excellent as always.
Was zinc coffin more common in the past? I’ve never heard of that before
I'm not completely certain but I think it's something to do with laws of transportation with dead bodies. So if she is identified she can be returned to her family/home