I absolutely love the meticulous structure and attention to detail - it must have taken ages, but is ever the more convincing in credibility. And as I'm evaluating if I for a small swap fee should go P14s Gen 2 from Gen 1 this was all I needed to decide. With this approach to reviews, I've already Liked and Subscribed. Thank you for the hard work!
Thanks for the warm words, much appreciated. Gen 2 is very tempting. Personally using a Gen 1 with 4750U still, slightly inclined to wait for the Gen 3 (but as mentioned gen 2 is tempting - I could do with even more single threaded performance).
This should arrive tomorrow, after 9 (I think - wow!) years on my 460s - super excited! Thank you for the very informative and professional review. Edit. 6 years more likely. Still good :)
Hello from the future 👋Thanks so much for this in-depth review! I'm thinking about purchasing a secondhand P14s (AMD) to use as a Linux laptop. This review really helped, so thanks again!!
Great review. I wish other, larger channels were actually thorough, like you are. A lot of reviews are thinly disguised advertisements, so I appreciate your work.
Much appreciated. It's not too economic to do reviews like this (the audience drop-off vs mainstream is a bit steep; it's a nice niche I suppose). Thankfully we don't have to do many each year. Just a few products. This message is brought to you by the LTT store (I joke).
Wowzers. Was looking for a decent review of this gem for my wife, as T14 gen2 amds are still nowhere to be found where I live and overpriced elsewhere; you have made an amazing review good Sir! P14s gen2 Amd for the win!
Excellent review and instant subscribe - thanks! I confirmed my decision to order one after this review. One thing I was hoping to get information on is how is the fan noise? Could you hopefully share some experiences on this aspect? Thanks again and looking forward to future content!
Thanks for the warm comment. Noise: Slightly quieter than the Intel model. Not too different from the P14s Gen 1. Need to fine a more efficient way to measure noise and speaker quality. 👍🙂
What do you recommend between P14s Gen2, P1 Gen 4 and X1 Extreme Gen 4 with i7 11th gen, 16gb, 512ssd for data sci work and light photo editing? The gpu in this P14s seems worse but I wont need heavy GPU usage anyway--just want something that wont heat up too much. Thanks in advance for any feedback
@@GreenGreenStore Have not considered since its too heavy / extremely short battery life :( Do you know in above 3 whats a good option? Or would you say consider P15gen2 or T15g gen2 instead?
Can anyone confirm if the ThinkPad P14s Gen 2 AMD supports dual display via the HMDI port and USB-C port (using laptop screen, plus 2 monitors)? looking to purchase, but want to avoid added costs of a dock.
@@GreenGreenStore I brought one and can now confirm it supports dual display via the HMDI port and USB-C ports, providing 3 displays (including the laptop screen).
HI, Very grateful for the detailer review of the product, I am actually going to get either this or the T14s gen 2 amd , Can you make a video which covers the differences between the normal and the S variant
Thanks for your review. After watching it I got my P14s Gen 2 5850U. After 3 weeks of intensive use I am very happy with it... only one thing.. when left alone (it goes in stand by mode/sleeping mode) the fan starts to "spin" and there is a clicking "mechanical" noise.... but when I use the notebook I hardly hear the fan nor any sound at all!!! Should I worry about it? Thanks in advance!
First part, maybe something a future version of BIOS release could optimise for. Second part, re: noise - as long as when it spins up it works, it's fine. Fans may rarely be very slightly de-centred / it doesn't typically affect the performance; when you get the unit serviced under warranty in 2-3 years (e.g. thermal paste refresh), just mention it then to Lenovo - they may be able to replace the heatsink&fan. Not really urgent from the sound of it.
@@GreenGreenStore Thanks again. As mentioned, clicking sound and fan only when going to sleep mode/stand by mode... otherwise no fan or sound at all at various workloads... Great machine...
@@narcisogonzalezcalderon6074 Can't tell you much since I have the laptop (21A0000TGE) connected mostly all the time while I am using it at a battery charge threshold of 70%. I added an extra 16gb and got new ssd (1TB) and I just love this device... super fast, quiet and processor utilization and memory values of below 11% and 27% respectively (even by relative "high" workloads (BI Tools) and parallel surfing and youtube videos playing on the background.
Hello, in my country t14 2nd gen amd is costing slightly lesser on the same configuration as it is on p14s. Is there a difference otherwise on the basis of performance or other factora? Should i go for t14 2nd gen for better value?
Fyi www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/p5sblo/p14s_gen_2_amd_v_t14_gen_2_amd/? That said, T series might in time, have a marginally better reselling price, if you upgrade in time. Simply because more people are aware that T14 exists (could go the other way too though).
What would you say are the significant differences between the : ThinkPad P14s Gen 2 AMD 5850U vs ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 AMD 4750U? In your opinion would buying the Gen 2 over the Gen 1 worth it? If so, why?
Depends on if you have the Gen 1 already or not. Not upgrading my P14s gen 1 with 4750U if that's what you're asking (too marginal imo for everyday workload + close to RRP pricing still). Better to wait for the generation afterwards. If money was no object, then gen 2 will be faster. Goto the benchmark section as that's there the differences are.
@@GreenGreenStore Sorry, I should've given more context. I am looking into getting a new computer and wondering if the Thinkpad P14s AMD Gen 2 is significantly better than the Gen 1. As far as I understand, the Gen 1 comes equipped with a Ryzen 7 4750U, and the Gen 2 with a Ryzen 7 5650U or 5850U? There is certainly an improvement CPU wise, but I was wondering if overall, considering all the other components(GPU, etc), is the Gen 2 is that much better than the Gen1?
@@GreenGreenStore I mean the sound when you tested camera on P14s it's more better than the sound on T14S Gen 2 (Intel) that you did it before. Sorry about my bad English 🤗🤗🤗
Seems fine here. Your milage may vary. Can be a range of causes e.g. modern standby, whether fast startup is disabled or not, the OS (even the version of Windows you're running).
Thanks. Not sure if the display connector is the same. Maybe worth a look at the psref document. Best aim for the one you want where possible (unless the availability or the price is unfavourable).
@@GreenGreenStore Ah thanks. To be honest I’m looking to buy yours from eBay, since getting one of these in the U.K. seems like a long and boring wait.
Thanks for the info, after some deliberation I ordered this p14 gen2 amd, most configs are not in stock or stupidly priced so it was between e14 amd or this one. e14 was better value but i was bothered by less usb and the hdmi 1.4 so had to be this one. About the wireless comment, afaik in the amd model wireless card can be swapped out, which i am hoping as my machine will come with realtek one and I want to have another try at Linux as desktop and wouldn't want to mess with kernel recompiles (modules, dependencies, updates... ugh...). Basically Lenovo didn't offer any real option, the ones existing were expensive and/or with 6+ weeks shipping, so i found the 1 store in Germany that had one config so I guess I'll take it. The 1400 euro i'll pay for the 32 gb ram version (base ssd, will have to upgrade it myself looking at the pricing) is a lot of money for a personal laptop but there's not a lot of good options, even used prices are pretty crazy. A t480 is half this price with third the performance.
Great video, I was looking for it since weeks ago! Many thanks for it. Would you recomand a T14 gen 2 AMD o an Intel one to work with large excel spreadsheets/database (~1GB) and statistical softwares (e.g. R, MATLAB)? I do not do any video editing as well as CAD activities.
Far as I know MATLAB has gotten better over time on the AMD side (it used to run less well than the Intel). Probably worth doing some lookup online of the desktop equivalent processors to get an idea of the laptop performance. uk.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/330889-does-matlab-perform-well-on-amd-ryzen?requestedDomain=
Yes, at the check-out we were not given the option to select between realtek or intel wifi (maybe just our region back then). So a manual swap is needed. It's not soldered on the AMD but soldered on the Intel.
@@GreenGreenStore I just think that's a bad design, if your charging port fail, it's a bit tricky to change it. Sure you can use other usb type A ports but I don't understand why they have it soldered on the AMD version and not on the intel one.
Thinking Intel / AMD? See our blog: www.cruisetech.co.uk/blogs/news/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-gen-2-vs-t14s-gen-2-2021
Timestamp:
0:00 - Intro
0:16 - P14s Gen 2 AMD = T14 G2 + ISV Support?
0:41 - Build & casing
1:35 - Inside & durability
2:25 - One handed opening? (nope)
2:33 - Lid opening
2:56 - Ports
3:59 - Keyboard
5:02 - Trackpad / Click button
6:00 - Screen (& options)
6:24 - Webcam Test
8:40 - Internal looks
9:18 - RAM Upgradable Options
9:28 - SSD Upgrade
9:49 - Wifi is swappable on the AMD model (soldered on Intel model :/ ).
11:35 - Thermals (CPU+ GPU Stress)
12:10 - Benchmarks (Speedometer)
12:23 - Benchmarks (Adobe Premiere Export)
12:51 - Benchmarks (Lightroom Export)
13:03 - Battery Runtime Test (medium workload; 5x tabs refreshing per 30sec + 1080p fireplace)
13:30 - Benchmarks (Cinebench Battery Drain test)
13:25 - Benchmarks (Blender CPU)
13:46 - Benchmarks (Cinebench Burst vs Sustained Performance test)
14:13 - GAMING GAMING GAMING Benchmarks (it's a business laptop!)
14:37 - Benchmarks (Speedometer: AC vs Battery performance deficit)
14:41 - Benchmarks (Geekbench 5: AC vs Battery performance deficit)
15:07 - Benchmark (Passmark: AC vs Battery performance deficit)
15:28 - Benchmark (Geekbench 4 - Single vs Dual Channel RAM Performance)
16:34 - Benchmark (Geekbench 5 - Single vs Dual Channel RAM Performance)
17:02 - Benchmark (Heaven Benchmark)
17:19 - Benchmark (Luxball CPU + GPU)
17:27 - Benchmark (Passmark: Single vs Dual Channel RAM Performance)
17:41 - Benchmark (Passmark extended: Single vs Dual Channel RAM Performance)
18:41 - Benchmark (CrystalDiskMark: No PCIE 4 Speed?)
19:12 - Deeper Performance Dive (CPU)
20:42 - Deeper Performance Dive (GPU)
21:53 - Wrap up: we're not reviewing the T14 Gen 2, this review is it
20:06 - What's great
23:58 - What could be Improved
26:58 - Tip: get the spec you need, even if it's not perfect (*due to global shortage*)
Correction: 3:56, we meant the AMD model has a more powerful CPU (which somewhat offsets the lack of Thunderbolt/eGPU support).
I absolutely love the meticulous structure and attention to detail - it must have taken ages, but is ever the more convincing in credibility. And as I'm evaluating if I for a small swap fee should go P14s Gen 2 from Gen 1 this was all I needed to decide. With this approach to reviews, I've already Liked and Subscribed. Thank you for the hard work!
Thanks for the warm words, much appreciated.
Gen 2 is very tempting. Personally using a Gen 1 with 4750U still, slightly inclined to wait for the Gen 3 (but as mentioned gen 2 is tempting - I could do with even more single threaded performance).
Wow I've never seen such an in-depth review, thank you so much.
You're welcome.
Just got this laptop and your review was a big help in deciding to go for it, thanks!
Thanks for the warm comment. Enjoy the laptop. 🙂👍
seriously, very detailed review.
keep doing the good work :)
This should arrive tomorrow, after 9 (I think - wow!) years on my 460s - super excited! Thank you for the very informative and professional review.
Edit. 6 years more likely. Still good :)
🤭👍
Hello from the future 👋Thanks so much for this in-depth review! I'm thinking about purchasing a secondhand P14s (AMD) to use as a Linux laptop. This review really helped, so thanks again!!
You're welcome
Great review. I wish other, larger channels were actually thorough, like you are. A lot of reviews are thinly disguised advertisements, so I appreciate your work.
Much appreciated.
It's not too economic to do reviews like this (the audience drop-off vs mainstream is a bit steep; it's a nice niche I suppose). Thankfully we don't have to do many each year. Just a few products.
This message is brought to you by the LTT store (I joke).
Thanks for the thorough review, helped me to decide on getting this unit
👍🤓
Wowzers. Was looking for a decent review of this gem for my wife, as T14 gen2 amds are still nowhere to be found where I live and overpriced elsewhere; you have made an amazing review good Sir! P14s gen2 Amd for the win!
Thanks for the warm comment. 👍🙂
Pulled the trigger on this bad boy just now. Just wish the backlog wasn't 4 months. Awesome review as always, even went with the 585u.
Oooh. Good stuff. Hope you enjoy it. 👍🙂
Excellent review and instant subscribe - thanks! I confirmed my decision to order one after this review. One thing I was hoping to get information on is how is the fan noise? Could you hopefully share some experiences on this aspect? Thanks again and looking forward to future content!
Thanks for the warm comment.
Noise:
Slightly quieter than the Intel model. Not too different from the P14s Gen 1. Need to fine a more efficient way to measure noise and speaker quality. 👍🙂
@@GreenGreenStore Thanks a lot for the quick reply!
What do you recommend between P14s Gen2, P1 Gen 4 and X1 Extreme Gen 4 with i7 11th gen, 16gb, 512ssd for data sci work and light photo editing? The gpu in this P14s seems worse but I wont need heavy GPU usage anyway--just want something that wont heat up too much. Thanks in advance for any feedback
Considered the P15 Gen 2?
@@GreenGreenStore Have not considered since its too heavy / extremely short battery life :(
Do you know in above 3 whats a good option?
Or would you say consider P15gen2 or T15g gen2 instead?
Does the USB C support power delivery charging?
I was tempted to buy this but theres only the 45% ntsc display option sigh…
Hope that more options appear for you. 🙂👍
Hi! Thanks for making this super detailed review. May I ask one question - did you test SSD speed with or without bitlocker?
Nope.
excellent video. Question: I thought the team was a bit thick. at the time of writing the hands are very uncomfortable? Thank you
Err have only used it on the dock. Your mileage may vary.
Excellent review!
Thanks for your warm comment. 🙂👍
I have mine now. The stock standard "Mylar" trackpads on these things are AWFUL! I'm now looking for a compatible glass trackpad.
I mostly use the Logitech mx mouse and forget the internal trackpad exists. Not feasible if moving alot though.
16:10 and 3:2 aspect ratio should be back on all Thinkpad’s
👍🙂
Can anyone confirm if the ThinkPad P14s Gen 2 AMD supports dual display via the HMDI port and USB-C port (using laptop screen, plus 2 monitors)? looking to purchase, but want to avoid added costs of a dock.
Running this in the gen 1 okay (usb-c hub to vga) plus HDMI. Gen2 should be the same.
@@GreenGreenStore I brought one and can now confirm it supports dual display via the HMDI port and USB-C ports, providing 3 displays (including the laptop screen).
HI, Very grateful for the detailer review of the product, I am actually going to get either this or the T14s gen 2 amd , Can you make a video which covers the differences between the normal and the S variant
www.cruisetech.co.uk/blogs/news/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-gen-2-vs-t14s-gen-2-2021
@@GreenGreenStore Thank you for the immediate reply
Thanks!
Thanks for your review. After watching it I got my P14s Gen 2 5850U. After 3 weeks of intensive use I am very happy with it... only one thing.. when left alone (it goes in stand by mode/sleeping mode) the fan starts to "spin" and there is a clicking "mechanical" noise.... but when I use the notebook I hardly hear the fan nor any sound at all!!! Should I worry about it? Thanks in advance!
First part, maybe something a future version of BIOS release could optimise for.
Second part, re: noise - as long as when it spins up it works, it's fine. Fans may rarely be very slightly de-centred / it doesn't typically affect the performance; when you get the unit serviced under warranty in 2-3 years (e.g. thermal paste refresh), just mention it then to Lenovo - they may be able to replace the heatsink&fan. Not really urgent from the sound of it.
@@GreenGreenStore Thanks again. As mentioned, clicking sound and fan only when going to sleep mode/stand by mode... otherwise no fan or sound at all at various workloads... Great machine...
How is battery life? After 2 weeks of choosing a laptop I think I am going to buy the same one as you
@@narcisogonzalezcalderon6074 Can't tell you much since I have the laptop (21A0000TGE) connected mostly all the time while I am using it at a battery charge threshold of 70%. I added an extra 16gb and got new ssd (1TB) and I just love this device... super fast, quiet and processor utilization and memory values of below 11% and 27% respectively (even by relative "high" workloads (BI Tools) and parallel surfing and youtube videos playing on the background.
@@almya9883 Thank you for answering. Are you using windows or linux?
very detailed review, thank you!
Much appreciate. 👍🙂
Hello, in my country t14 2nd gen amd is costing slightly lesser on the same configuration as it is on p14s. Is there a difference otherwise on the basis of performance or other factora? Should i go for t14 2nd gen for better value?
Fyi
www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/p5sblo/p14s_gen_2_amd_v_t14_gen_2_amd/?
That said, T series might in time, have a marginally better reselling price, if you upgrade in time. Simply because more people are aware that T14 exists (could go the other way too though).
Good quality video with detailed review about every aspect of this laptop.
Thanks for your warm comment.
How is the sound quality. Can we watch movies without pairing headphones ?
Not quite there yet. Need the X1 lineup for that ideally.
what is a smart card reader and side docking connector
Usb c side dock; sc is used in corporate settings for logins and authentication.
Please, I don't understand much English and the translator is not very good. how long does the battery last? Thank you
Depends on usage. Suggest looking at notebookcheck for their battery review.
What would you say are the significant differences between the : ThinkPad P14s Gen 2 AMD 5850U vs ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 AMD 4750U?
In your opinion would buying the Gen 2 over the Gen 1 worth it? If so, why?
Depends on if you have the Gen 1 already or not. Not upgrading my P14s gen 1 with 4750U if that's what you're asking (too marginal imo for everyday workload + close to RRP pricing still). Better to wait for the generation afterwards. If money was no object, then gen 2 will be faster.
Goto the benchmark section as that's there the differences are.
@@GreenGreenStore Sorry, I should've given more context.
I am looking into getting a new computer and wondering if the Thinkpad P14s AMD Gen 2 is significantly better than the Gen 1.
As far as I understand, the Gen 1 comes equipped with a Ryzen 7 4750U, and the Gen 2 with a Ryzen 7 5650U or 5850U?
There is certainly an improvement CPU wise, but I was wondering if overall, considering all the other components(GPU, etc), is the Gen 2 is that much better than the Gen1?
See the review.🙂
@@GreenGreenStore Yeah, that's very helpful.
theres no way to conect a egpu at all? that sucks
Do many use eGPU in reality?
Nice review thanks. Does the Gen 2 body also flex as Gen 1?
Chassis has not majorly changed.
the mic is more better than T14S Gen 2 (Intel version) OMG :o
?
@@GreenGreenStore I mean the sound when you tested camera on P14s it's more better than the sound on T14S Gen 2 (Intel) that you did it before.
Sorry about my bad English 🤗🤗🤗
Does the gen2 have an EOSL date?
Best check with Lenovo.
Hi love the review. I too have a P14s Gen 2. Just wondering if you have any tips on charging habits to prolong its battery life?
Sure. 1) Lower screen brightness. 2) Slide the Power setting to "Best Battery", 3) close the unneeded background apps.
Lenovo vantage also let you partilly charge the battery if you mainly used it plugged, charging it up to 80% instead of 100% increase its longevity
Within Vantage software you can put lower and upper threshold for battery charging.
Does it sleep properly? T14 and t14s gen 1 AMD won't sleep properly and will shut down instead since launch and lenovo has never bothered to fix this
Seems fine here. Your milage may vary. Can be a range of causes e.g. modern standby, whether fast startup is disabled or not, the OS (even the version of Windows you're running).
The touch screen sometimes doesn't register input but that's something else. Presumably needs a Bios update.
how are temperatures on medium use ?
Meh okay ish?
Fantastic review as usual. Do you know if the 1080p in the machine can be replaced with the 4K screen (after market)? Thanks
Thanks.
Not sure if the display connector is the same. Maybe worth a look at the psref document.
Best aim for the one you want where possible (unless the availability or the price is unfavourable).
@@GreenGreenStore Ah thanks. To be honest I’m looking to buy yours from eBay, since getting one of these in the U.K. seems like a long and boring wait.
There is a promo until the 19th Aug btw there if you're UK based. 👍🙂
Thanks for the info, after some deliberation I ordered this p14 gen2 amd, most configs are not in stock or stupidly priced so it was between e14 amd or this one. e14 was better value but i was bothered by less usb and the hdmi 1.4 so had to be this one.
About the wireless comment, afaik in the amd model wireless card can be swapped out, which i am hoping as my machine will come with realtek one and I want to have another try at Linux as desktop and wouldn't want to mess with kernel recompiles (modules, dependencies, updates... ugh...).
Basically Lenovo didn't offer any real option, the ones existing were expensive and/or with 6+ weeks shipping, so i found the 1 store in Germany that had one config so I guess I'll take it. The 1400 euro i'll pay for the 32 gb ram version (base ssd, will have to upgrade it myself looking at the pricing) is a lot of money for a personal laptop but there's not a lot of good options, even used prices are pretty crazy. A t480 is half this price with third the performance.
Great video, I was looking for it since weeks ago! Many thanks for it. Would you recomand a T14 gen 2 AMD o an Intel one to work with large excel spreadsheets/database (~1GB) and statistical softwares (e.g. R, MATLAB)? I do not do any video editing as well as CAD activities.
Far as I know MATLAB has gotten better over time on the AMD side (it used to run less well than the Intel). Probably worth doing some lookup online of the desktop equivalent processors to get an idea of the laptop performance.
uk.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/330889-does-matlab-perform-well-on-amd-ryzen?requestedDomain=
@@GreenGreenStore many thanks for the answer! Best, Francesco.
You're welcome. 🙂👍
Can the realtek wifi be swapped to intel after purchasing?
Yes it can!
Yes, at the check-out we were not given the option to select between realtek or intel wifi (maybe just our region back then). So a manual swap is needed. It's not soldered on the AMD but soldered on the Intel.
No BIOS blacklisting going on?
is the charging port soldered on the motherboard on the Gen2 T14, like it's predecessor?
Not sure why it could be different.
www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/orwnv1/p14s_gen_2_amd_similar_to_t14_gen_2_internals/
@@GreenGreenStore I just think that's a bad design, if your charging port fail, it's a bit tricky to change it. Sure you can use other usb type A ports but I don't understand why they have it soldered on the AMD version and not on the intel one.
Where the battery life at?
Check the timestamp 🙂
THX! Very good review!
Thanks for your comment. 🙂👍
thumbs up
Much appreciated. 👍
Not available in US. 😤
Indeed. Seems to be some global shortage out there. 😶
The T14 gen2 AMD version is available: www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-t-series/T14-G2-AMD/p/20XK0019US
Where I can buy it?
Check the local Lenovo store.
Local availability and delivery speed may vary quite a bit as the product is still very recent.
I couldn't wait for 5850u. So I bought p14s 4750u used model. (And it's too expensive)
The Gen 1 is still great. I use it at work. 🙂👍
@@GreenGreenStore hi, great review. Worth the money update to gen 2 (ryzen 4750U vs 5850u), what's about of 4 gb vram for Radeon GPU ?
@@imbujo the iGPU shares some RAM capacity. So if you run 16GB RAM you'd have around 12GB available; 28GB available on 32GB setup.
Finally!
You're welcome.
@@GreenGreenStore This is a very good review! Thank you very much!