Up to 6 feet high. In captivity unfortunately, the fins tend to eventually collapse to one side due to lack of constant swimming. Only 1% of wild male orcas suffer from this condition whereas in marine ABUSEment parks 100% of them have it and even some females.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 Not 100% there are males in captivity which do not have it. Not just young ones either. Ulises is the oldest male and has very tiny bend. and was for decades famous for its strong straight fin.
@@Alejojojo6 He won't have that for much longer until he's retired from performing those demeaning and unnatural circus tricks and transfered to a seaside sanctuary, where he can once again dive deeply, feel the tides, and swim any meaningful distance since his capture from the ocean as a calf!
Male Bottlenoses are more brutal than Orcas, cause Male Bottlenoses kill females, and baby Bottlenoses, and also kill other dolphins such as porpoises as well. Orcas are not the only dolphins to kill other dolphins. Bottlenoses kill other dolphins, and so does the Boto Dolphins of the Amazon river.
@@ShiningGalaxy01 That might be true, but this video wasn't about male bottlenose dolphins. I never claimed that orcas were the most brutal, and I wasn't comparing them to other dolphins. It was just a generalized statement about this video itself. Are you, by any chance, a bottlenose dolphin in disguise?
No bro. Those dolphins are menaces. They rape animals, kill small creatures and play with them like balls for fun. Sharks are actually better than dolphins in reality because sharks normally don't even kill animals or humans. Only when they are hungry. They don't kill for fun! W Orcas
@@commimixcreate4198 they are not more skilled at all, dolphines are faster on short distances and more manuverable, they have different strategies and pray, not all orcas would hunt dolphins nor would be successful at that. Only small part of orcas is skilled and specialised enough for that.
@@ivicaanic5213orcas are the very fastest species of dolphin and whale. They are also very diverse. Orcas range from lifestyles no different from dolphins where they hunt schools of fish and squid but orcas also have pods that hunt any other animal in the ocean with enough meat on it to be worth it. So dolphins are less adaptable and therefore have less neurons and arenr able to become "skilled" at anything an orca wouldnt be able tl be more skilled in and have more neurons assigned to. Orcas are literally super dolphins. They are dolphins ln steroids. If humans are dolphins then imagkne orcas as cannibalistic neanderthals much smarter stronger than us and also way faster than us. Imagine humans like homo habilis vs homo sapiens. Thats what dolphins vs orcas reallh look like.
If a white shark survived an attack from orcas, they never come back to that area for a whole year! Orcas are magnificently terrifying creatures for sure.
One thing that is cool is that there is a documented case where a 11 foot great white did survive an attack from orcas. They didn’t see the attack but the shark had Orca teeth marks on it.
Isn't it a profound privilege that we exist in the same epoch as these magnificent beings? Sharing our time on Earth with Orcas is a humbling reminder of the grandeur of life's diversity. Let's cherish and protect this gift.
As an adult Christian, I disagree with your statement that people's lives don't matter and I doubt you believe that too. With such a grim outlook on people and life you sounds like a pretty miserable person.@@leenb7560
Lol, land is overhyped. Orcas and dolphins are the descendants of animals that did that whole land thing and then turned around and said "eh I liked the water better."
It's rather traumatic seeing an animal with the intelligence of a dolphin being bludgeoned to death. Nature is indifferent and that's what makes it so difficult to accept.
Technically, the orca or killer whale is also a species of dolphin, and is the largest member of the dolphin family. So what we're seeing here is one type of dolphin hunting another. 🐬
@@ands3227 They're actually the orca dolphin. Or killer dolphin if you wanna get crazy. Dolphins are as much killers as any shark yet we continue to see them as smart, friendly heroes who hurt nothing or nobody, whereas sharks are seen as mindless, bloodthirsty and evil villains with no compassion.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 why not? They're apex predator. Plus nature is cruel, even tigers and lions do attack their own cat family like leopards and cheetahs
they are smart enough to not mess with humans, they have seen what we do to whales and they see us as aliens with super technology so they don't want to anger us
@@xhago4483 not really, they've just never tried human meat, and orcas only eat what they've learned to eat.Altough I would like to see what methods would orcas use to hunt humans (even if, if they tried to attack humans now,it'll be catastrophic for them).
@@cringelord9796 yes you're right ! what i said was wrong, i guess i just wanted to make myself feel superior to animals even as big and powerful as orcas , but they don't attack us because we aren't apart of their diet ( they are very picky eaters ) but either way orcas have shown much curiosity to humans so i guess that makes them more intelligent than most animals
Some researchers have done research on the IQ of humans and killer whales and found that the IQ of Orcas is equivalent to that of fifteen or sixteen-year-old humans
It terms of recognizing what death means and what life is, the dolphin is probably far more aware of what's happening to it and how bad that will suck.
Even the white shark, and THEY are the predators normally used to having any other sea creatures flee in terror of them. Orcas are THE ocean's top apex predator without any equal.
0:35 & 0:43 When I listen to that sound, I always think of “FREE WILLY” or something like that with Orcas AKA Killer Whales. “Not to mention really Big Dolphins.”
They're apply named the " wolves of the sea ", they kill Dolphins, seals, birds and other Whales. I think it is particularly sad when they kill other Whale calves but they are apex predators for a reason.
@MajorGalah I just googled it and some sites say the orca is faster and other that dolphins are faster. But the reports of dolphin being faster is probably due to an error: "There have been reports of dolphins travelling at much higher speeds, but these refer to dolphins being pushed along by the bow wave of a speeding boat. They were getting a free ride (their speed relative to the surrounding water was low). A recent study using based on the vertical speed during jumps showed maximum speeds for bottlenose dolphins of 8.2-11.2 m/s (16-22 knots, 29.5-40.3 km/hr) prior to a high jump. The maximum speed for wild bottlenose dolphins was 5.7 m/s (11 knots, 20.5 km/hr) and for common dolphins 6.7 m/s (13 knots, 24.1 km/hr)." "The orca, or killer whale, is the largest of all dolphin species and shares the distinction of fastest dolphin. He may dwarf the Dall's porpoise in size, but he keeps pace with his tiny counterpart, swimming at burst speeds of 34.5 miles per hour." "The fastest dolphin: Dall’s porpoises are very speedy swimmers; they can reach up to 35mph (56kph). When they swim at high speeds, they create unique fan-shaped splashes of water, called "rooster tails" and this is used to identify Dall’s porpoise at sea. Orcas are also extremely fast swimmers and probably the only dolphins to reach speeds similar to Dall’s porpoise." (Sorry I can't put the links, RUclips won't let me)
@MajorGalah That source is the WDC (Whale and Dolphin Conservation) which is the is the leading global charity dedicated to the protection of whales and dolphins. Also they didn't say that porpoises are dolphins, they just mentioned them together. For example in that same page it says: "There are currently 42 species of dolphins and seven species of porpoises", so they are clearly making a distinction between dolphins and porpoises. The 3 quotes that I shared are from 3 different pages, so if you don't trust that one source you still have the other 2 (and many others)
The fact that an 8-10 ton ( On average) animal can leap out of the water at absurd heights should scare you. The amount of power required to do that is absolutely alien like.
Orcas look and sound so innocent and seem very friendly. But they are not. Except for humans I guess? Atleast not if they are living free. I wonder why.
I started to reconsider seeing them as beautiful after finding out that they hunt whales and dolphins 🥺🥺😢😓. I guess the name killer whales really does suit them.
“Ey Look Steven, our cousins from north. They look bigger and…black since the last time we saw them”. “Oh for Godshake William, run away William, RUN AWAY”.
"The predator of all predators arrives.............ORCAS."
For whatever reason I really love it. What absolute outstanding line.
thats what you called the Hook of the video
predator of all predators is hunter biden
The predators of all predators are humans
@@Stoneface_No doubt about it
An orca is a dolphin. Lol
For some reason my YT recommendations are on an Orca run and I'm liking it. This sort of footage is just amazing.
Facts 💯
It’s how mine is now . I’m loving it
Search “Orcas kidnap baby whale.” Incredible footage by BBC
You should watch “orca kidnaps whale”
I absolutely love Orcas . Very highly intelligent mammals. They are precise in what they want . Truly magnificent. Beautiful ❤❤❤
Ans psychos as well 😅
eating another highly intelligent mammal ...
And very social too. They travel in close family. Just like a pack of wolfs.
@@Alejojojo6 They live together with their mothers for their whole lives.
I’ll never get over the fact that such a huge animal somehow sounds like a squeaky toy
Cheetahs are the fastest land predators yet they sound like house cats so this is no different
They sound fucking awesome. That noise is so powerful.
Go tell them that and see what they do to you 😂
did you know? You are SOOO funny!
High pitch sound travels better in water I guess
Male orca's dorsal fin is just magnificent.
Up to 6 feet high. In captivity unfortunately, the fins tend to eventually collapse to one side due to lack of constant swimming. Only 1% of wild male orcas suffer from this condition whereas in marine ABUSEment parks 100% of them have it and even some females.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 There is a pair in the wild, called Port and Starboard. One's fin leans left, the other right.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 Not 100% there are males in captivity which do not have it. Not just young ones either. Ulises is the oldest male and has very tiny bend. and was for decades famous for its strong straight fin.
@@Alejojojo6 He won't have that for much longer until he's retired from performing those demeaning and unnatural circus tricks and transfered to a seaside sanctuary, where he can once again dive deeply, feel the tides, and swim any meaningful distance since his capture from the ocean as a calf!
@@Alejojojo6 Hey, you read my facts? I know what I'm saying here.
Kudos to the cameraman and the team who capture this footage 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Orca dolphins have only just started this hunting in South Africa since 2013. Now it's a tradition that has occurred for almost a decade now!
CGI
Amazing in awe with the orcas .
@@nobodysbusiness9916you're born autistic
@@nobodysbusiness9916Bro forgot drones exist
Orcas are absolutely brutal
They sure are!
Male Bottlenoses are more brutal than Orcas, cause Male Bottlenoses kill females, and baby Bottlenoses, and also kill other dolphins such as porpoises as well. Orcas are not the only dolphins to kill other dolphins. Bottlenoses kill other dolphins, and so does the Boto Dolphins of the Amazon river.
@@ShiningGalaxy01 That might be true, but this video wasn't about male bottlenose dolphins. I never claimed that orcas were the most brutal, and I wasn't comparing them to other dolphins. It was just a generalized statement about this video itself. Are you, by any chance, a bottlenose dolphin in disguise?
Yet they can be every bit as gentle too.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 nah
i love how they syncronize their attacks!
Facts 💯
indeed, orca is one of the most intelligent animals on earth
My 4 year nephew said he loved the background score starting at 2:04 onwards. We both played it 7-8 times again to listen to that part.
Lol sounds like y’all like music
I love orcas but I feel sad for the dolphin which is also my favorite. It's a survival world.
No bro. Those dolphins are menaces. They rape animals, kill small creatures and play with them like balls for fun. Sharks are actually better than dolphins in reality because sharks normally don't even kill animals or humans. Only when they are hungry. They don't kill for fun! W Orcas
If it makes you feel better or worse, orcas are also a type of dolphin. So although orcas are more skilled in hunting they share a common ancestry.
@@commimixcreate4198 they are not more skilled at all, dolphines are faster on short distances and more manuverable, they have different strategies and pray, not all orcas would hunt dolphins nor would be successful at that. Only small part of orcas is skilled and specialised enough for that.
@@ivicaanic5213orcas are the very fastest species of dolphin and whale. They are also very diverse.
Orcas range from lifestyles no different from dolphins where they hunt schools of fish and squid but orcas also have pods that hunt any other animal in the ocean with enough meat on it to be worth it.
So dolphins are less adaptable and therefore have less neurons and arenr able to become "skilled" at anything an orca wouldnt be able tl be more skilled in and have more neurons assigned to.
Orcas are literally super dolphins. They are dolphins ln steroids.
If humans are dolphins then imagkne orcas as cannibalistic neanderthals much smarter stronger than us and also way faster than us.
Imagine humans like homo habilis vs homo sapiens. Thats what dolphins vs orcas reallh look like.
We are more intelligent than homosepians or home whatever others that existed way back then @@magnipettersson4432
If a white shark survived an attack from orcas, they never come back to that area for a whole year! Orcas are magnificently terrifying creatures for sure.
One thing that is cool is that there is a documented case where a 11 foot great white did survive an attack from orcas. They didn’t see the attack but the shark had Orca teeth marks on it.
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Isn't it a profound privilege that we exist in the same epoch as these magnificent beings? Sharing our time on Earth with Orcas is a humbling reminder of the grandeur of life's diversity. Let's cherish and protect this gift.
They tip boats and kill people sometimes....
@@birdy4064 Peoples lifes are not that important as you might think, you will understand that when you grow up
As an adult Christian, I disagree with your statement that people's lives don't matter and I doubt you believe that too. With such a grim outlook on people and life you sounds like a pretty miserable person.@@leenb7560
@@leenb7560peoples lifes are not that important as you might think? What a psycopath, get help
@@birdy4064and dolphins kill people So what ?...
I love orcas. Very intelligent creatures.
Greatest Animal, period!
Now you know why ancient creatures left for solid ground. It sucks being constantly on the menu.
Lol, land is overhyped. Orcas and dolphins are the descendants of animals that did that whole land thing and then turned around and said "eh I liked the water better."
@@bemusedbandersnatch2069where did you know all this theory
@@divine2310 funny timing, NOVA actually has a documentary premiering about this exact topic tonight if you're curious.
Bro. The Whales were actually land mamals before 😂 but they decided to "nah fuck it" and evolve back to fins yknow
Large, strong, intelligent, attractive, and badass hunters. Orcas really are magnificent creatures.
Fascinating. I hope that some future drone footage will show the orca cooperation from above.
It's rather traumatic seeing an animal with the intelligence of a dolphin being bludgeoned to death. Nature is indifferent and that's what makes it so difficult to accept.
Technically, the orca or killer whale is also a species of dolphin, and is the largest member of the dolphin family. So what we're seeing here is one type of dolphin hunting another. 🐬
@@CringeComedyTV this person needed it
@@ands3227 They're actually the orca dolphin. Or killer dolphin if you wanna get crazy. Dolphins are as much killers as any shark yet we continue to see them as smart, friendly heroes who hurt nothing or nobody, whereas sharks are seen as mindless, bloodthirsty and evil villains with no compassion.
Orca is as smart as dolphins.
@@staliniosifvissarionovich5588 Because they ARE dolphins, 😜.
Nature doesn't care who you are, all life is in a constant battle to remain.
Very interesting. Both creatures are fascinating!
I couldn't agree more!
Yessssss!!!! Each in its own rite!!! 😘
orcas are a bit cooler tho
Orca dolphins hunting common dolphins.
What is this world coming to?
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 why not? They're apex predator. Plus nature is cruel, even tigers and lions do attack their own cat family like leopards and cheetahs
Such a great camera captures! Great work guys you are the heroes behind the scenes
It's like Willie going after Flipper.
Ikr? It's like watching a lion eat a house cat. Or a gorilla eating a chimp. Makes you think 🤔
It's funny when you realize orcas are dolphins as well
For dolphins, ogres are real
@@Dark_side9999We're both mammals.
Yeah there hunting their cousins.
This is basically like gorillas being as smart as us and hunting us down.
Very glad that orcas don't hunt humans!
they are smart enough to not mess with humans, they have seen what we do to whales and they see us as aliens with super technology so they don't want to anger us
@@xhago4483 not really, they've just never tried human meat, and orcas only eat what they've learned to eat.Altough I would like to see what methods would orcas use to hunt humans (even if, if they tried to attack humans now,it'll be catastrophic for them).
@@cringelord9796 yes you're right ! what i said was wrong, i guess i just wanted to make myself feel superior to animals even as big and powerful as orcas , but they don't attack us because we aren't apart of their diet ( they are very picky eaters ) but either way orcas have shown much curiosity to humans so i guess that makes them more intelligent than most animals
Amen to that!
Some researchers have done research on the IQ of humans and killer whales and found that the IQ of Orcas is equivalent to that of fifteen or sixteen-year-old humans
Probably just one of many creative ways to hunt dolphins
You know you're the ocean's top predator when you're hunting a FRICKIN Dolphin
Dolphins when they hear Orca: Current objective: *Survive*
The only 2 marine animals it doesn't want to tango with are Sperm whales and Pilot Whales.
@@dillianwhyte443 wait why Pilot Whales?
@dragonboytsubasa They are in pods of 100, there faster and they attack other whales.
im glad we have animal documentary channels where we can learn and watch this majestic magnificent animals ❤
Not sure how I feel about dolphins basically experiencing what they do to fish
normal
Not sure the dolphins appreciate the irony
Normal 🤣
Mother Nature is indifferent to all life. It’s eat or be eaten.
It terms of recognizing what death means and what life is, the dolphin is probably far more aware of what's happening to it and how bad that will suck.
Apex predators of the ocean.
When you a dolphin and hear that cute lil call orcas make, you done f'd up 😂
Those orcas flippin' HUGE
Most adorable and most deadly
Technically, orcas are dolphins.
This video made me love killer whales (aka orcas) even more!
NOOOOOOOO whyyyyyyyy!!!! 🤣😝🤣
Top of dolphin line. That Killer Whale crap is from so far back when explorerssaw them attack other whales.
Why just have a slice, when you can have the whole pizza!!! 🤔😂
But once they're through with you, there's not enough of you left to put on even HALF a slice of pizza!!
I have to imagine if any wild animal in the ocean saw an Orca it would be instant terror.
Even the white shark, and THEY are the predators normally used to having any other sea creatures flee in terror of them.
Orcas are THE ocean's top apex predator without any equal.
except for the pilot whales. :) They will deal with a pod of orcas. Hahaha
@@bernhardberkheij2661 And sperm whales. They have stood up to orcas for millennia.
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 that's right! I wish blue whales could defend themselves better.
@@bernhardberkheij2661 They can. They can crush an enemy with their tails with a half-hearted sideways flick.
0:35 & 0:43 When I listen to that sound, I always think of “FREE WILLY” or something like that with Orcas AKA Killer Whales. “Not to mention really Big Dolphins.”
Impressive! I never knew Orcas would hunt dolphins!
They're apply named the " wolves of the sea ", they kill Dolphins, seals, birds and other Whales. I think it is particularly sad when they kill other Whale calves but they are apex predators for a reason.
@@flameangel202 bro Orca even Kill's moose 😭
@@Kor06. Really ? Wow, didn’t know that . Poor Moose 😳🥲
Orcas are top of dolphin line and prey oncommon dolphins.
Those dolphins deserve death😂😂
Orcas are humans of the the ocean
Orcas are also faster, dolphins has no chance
@MajorGalah I just googled it and some sites say the orca is faster and other that dolphins are faster. But the reports of dolphin being faster is probably due to an error:
"There have been reports of dolphins travelling at much higher speeds, but these refer to dolphins being pushed along by the bow wave of a speeding boat. They were getting a free ride (their speed relative to the surrounding water was low). A recent study using based on the vertical speed during jumps showed maximum speeds for bottlenose dolphins of 8.2-11.2 m/s (16-22 knots, 29.5-40.3 km/hr) prior to a high jump. The maximum speed for wild bottlenose dolphins was 5.7 m/s (11 knots, 20.5 km/hr) and for common dolphins 6.7 m/s (13 knots, 24.1 km/hr)."
"The orca, or killer whale, is the largest of all dolphin species and shares the distinction of fastest dolphin. He may dwarf the Dall's porpoise in size, but he keeps pace with his tiny counterpart, swimming at burst speeds of 34.5 miles per hour."
"The fastest dolphin:
Dall’s porpoises are very speedy swimmers; they can reach up to 35mph (56kph). When they swim at high speeds, they create unique fan-shaped splashes of water, called "rooster tails" and this is used to identify Dall’s porpoise at sea.
Orcas are also extremely fast swimmers and probably the only dolphins to reach speeds similar to Dall’s porpoise."
(Sorry I can't put the links, RUclips won't let me)
@MajorGalah That source is the WDC (Whale and Dolphin Conservation) which is the is the leading global charity dedicated to the protection of whales and dolphins.
Also they didn't say that porpoises are dolphins, they just mentioned them together. For example in that same page it says: "There are currently 42 species of dolphins and seven species of porpoises", so they are clearly making a distinction between dolphins and porpoises.
The 3 quotes that I shared are from 3 different pages, so if you don't trust that one source you still have the other 2 (and many others)
Dolphins are slightly faster than Orcas they just dont have the endurance to keep up with fast speed for long periods of time like Orcas
Dolphins usually just outswim orcas. They would be easy meal for orcas if they didnt.
Bullies.....but I love them. The ocean wolf pack.
My favorite sea creature the Orcas are amazing. I'm pretty sure they are more than just 3X the size of a dolphin.
Yeah I don’t know if she meant to say 3x the length, but she was off by sn order of magnitude.
+10x of dolphin
The fact that an 8-10 ton ( On average) animal can leap out of the water at absurd heights should scare you. The amount of power required to do that is absolutely alien like.
where can we find the full video??
Ikr? It ended so abruptly and I was thinking where's the rest of it?
That was.....ummm......bone chilling 🫣.
Amazing animal
What’s the soundtrack in this chase?
2:02
TBH IDK WHY AM CRYING AFTER THIS😭😭😭
How do they decide who eats the dolphin or do they take turns capturing & each eating one dolphine each
Does anyone know the name of the piece of choral music used in the soundtrack at the very end of the clip?
so what happend? did they catch it or not? why you not show the whole feeding cycle?
The predator of all predators is not the Orca. The predator of all predators is doing the filming.
An Orca would dismantle a human one on one...so yeah they are the Apex predators
@@ArmaniDaudpeople could kill orcas with weapons.
the opening part 🔥🔥🔥
How do we get this footage crazy
Orca and Dholpin still cousin right?
Awe was the dolphin screaming
Awsome footage, very great!
What does an orca taste like?
Orcas weigh 6,600 - 8,800 lbs.
Massive 😮
Try 12,000 pounds.
Yeh 12,000-15,000 pounds, up to 7000kg = 7tons
Where is this?
In a weird way they are eating their own kind of
I love dolphins, love orcas.. they are look alike.. so sad to see one hunts another.. 😢
Cool 🦀🦀🦀🦀
Nasty dolphins😂
Orcas eating dolphins is almost cannibalism.
No. It's look like human eating gorilla
Crazy to think that we mammals not only dominate the land, but we dominate the water as well. Orca and dolphin are like the humans of the sea.
The wolves of the sea
Why to call them wolf . They are unique. U should say wolves are orca of the land
Human beings love orcas same way we love dolphins ..this is tricky
Ik they hunt for food n amusement but imagine they teamed with dolphins. Two of the oceans smartest creatures hunting together. None would live
I love my orca tat 😍 orcas make me proud
Never knew orcas hunt dolphins
Do you know why
@@honeyFoxx420 I have no idea.
They never show them eating one. Do the 2 of them share it?
I feel bad for the dolphins 😢
If u knew the menace things dolphins do then maybe u wouldn't feel as bad
They are rapist
erm nice but where’s the full footage??
All this creativity, beauty, and intelligence, and some ignorant people still do not believe in the Creator of the universe
Strategy almost just like the wolf pack. 🐆
Orcas look and sound so innocent and seem very friendly. But they are not. Except for humans I guess? Atleast not if they are living free. I wonder why.
Це життя, касатк дуже гарні і розумні
Orca is as smart as dolphins.
Eles no oceano não faz para nos ❤❤😊😊lindos amo❤
А про зайцев будет ?
I am interested in how these 2 orcas shared a dolphin.
So interesting
... and the boatmen and camera crew are just filming it all for our pleasure.
Orcas are truly the King's Of The Ocean.
Damn nature, you scary!
I thought dolphins were faster than Orcas
Orcas do have a taste for only the tongue while hunting for whale calf. What part do they prefer while hunting dolphins?!
Their intelligence and mental capacity scares me straight.
repetition at its finest.
king of the seas .
Queen
Orca are dolphins
I started to reconsider seeing them as beautiful after finding out that they hunt whales and dolphins 🥺🥺😢😓. I guess the name killer whales really does suit them.
Its an animal 😅
Also, name "Orca" does suit them too
Orcas are cool.
It really does break my heart to see one of my favorite animals attacking another favorite animal of mine. 😢
È un animale magnificooooo.
They don't snack, but dophin steak .
sea life is so harsh
“Ey Look Steven, our cousins from north. They look bigger and…black since the last time we saw them”.
“Oh for Godshake William, run away William, RUN AWAY”.
Lol. If you meet a giant or ogre, you call him a "cousin"?