Analyzing Evil Remastered: Pinhead/The Hell Priest From The Hellraiser Franchise
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Hello everyone and welcome to the remastered eighth episode of Analyzing Evil! Our feature character for this video is Pinhead, or The Hell Priest, from the Hellraiser franchise. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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IMO, the best thing about Leviathan is how removed its form from anything that could be considered sensual, being just a stone monolith, that reveals hidden desires, while floating so high in the air
Well, in the comics he does take the form of an individual/human. But, leviathan is also the lord of order, and symmetry is an aspect of order.
Doesn't he take the form of a milk man or mailman 😂 it's been a while since I read them
So in the movie the Leviathan does indeed revile desires. When Channard is in the company of Leviathan, it seemed to make him realize how shxtty of a person he’s always been. Before going into that dimension I feel like he saw himself as a good guy
One of the best lines I think in Hellbound is “”Ah Kirsty, so eager to play, so reluctant to admit it”
Indeed, the best thing about Kirsty is that she was into the same things as Pinhead and in the comics would become his successor. What other final girl actually became the antagonist?
@@robertphillips213 Helen Lyle from the original Candyman might count.
@@robertphillips213naw, that’s dumb
@@robertphillips213Danny in Midsommar
@@dmitryduffer396 Ain't seen it. Good movie?
I love the fact he redid these videos.
The fact you cared enough to put this kind of effort in is amazing and I appreciate it greatly
Bro spitting nothing but facts
Ikr that’s dedication
This channel plus dead meat means I can learn everything there is in horror movies and some more 😂
@@sumellow6304😊
The first one was good, but this remastered version is great because it delves much deeper into the Hellraiser mythos.
The details this time is insane! And you did not ignore the inferior sequels (their bad qualities are legendary even in horror sequel genres) This IS the definitive cover on Pinhead! Well done!
There's like some good ideas in the shitty sequels but the only ok ones I think are 4 and inferno
I love some of the sequels. The first 3 are awesome
I find the cenobites being morally grey and neutral fascinating. As they’ve been shown protecting innocence and punishing people too. It’s something I find incredibly fascinating
I could be wrong but the only event where they punished evil and spared innocent was when that doctor dude forced a girl to solve the box in his stead.
@@ashen9381There are points in the comics depicting similar events (I recall something with a monkey?) but yeah, the general rule is that opening the box with intent to do so is a one-way ticket to Hell and Leviathan.
Well, that crappy sequel where they murder an entire club full of innocent people aint seeming to grey, which is why I think this new version is for worse and not better.
Didn't they try to drag the main girl from the first film in the end to their realm
Although I have read zero of the books/novellas, I think people forget Cenobites are ruled by a Cosmic Order. Leviathan, to maintain order, has found that to end the chaos of humanity/life from seeping into its existence it can transform people through their desires and align them to its inherent darkness. In turn, their desires become its desires, and the Order of the Gash explores that. The protection of the innocent seems to be about not taking those who are not aligned with the Cenobite path of pleasure exploration.
I liked that you called out the later Hellraiser movies for being bad lol. One of the most frustrating things about the contract Clive Barker had with the movie studio was that they basically renewed their control as long as they made a movie periodically within a set time frame. Thankfully he did regain control in 2020.
Praise the Cenobites! No.....wait.....
The Hell Priest has always been a favorite for me *because* of the intelligence and eloquence that separates him from his cinematic peers. Great episode!
Imagine if the labyrinth had the opportunity to transform Nix into a Cenobite
Yes, absolutely.
He's so weak though that I think Chucky can defeat him
What we need after horror month,
Analyzing Evil: _The Cast of Seinfeld_
That's basically the final episode of Seinfeld.
Fun fact: Kentaro Miura's Berserk based the Godhand and Behelits after the Cenobites and Puzzle Boxes respectively.
Damn I didn’t know thx for the info
@@strawhatteach515RIP Hamtaro
It makes sense, even the design of hell in The Blackswordmen arc, when you first meet the God Hand is very similar to Leviathan’s world in Hell Raiser 2.
@@basiosrasian225 Void was based on Pinhead, Slan is based on the Female Cenobite, Conrad is the Chatterer, and Ubik is Butterball.
@@nathanmalik7056Idk, I can see a bit of Chatterer in Void also. His face especially sells it.
AND TO THINK...
I HESITATED
best line in the whole franchise
This character was played - in true Emporer Palpatine fasion by a young actor so that even decades later he seems to have aged not a day. LOVED it!
Pinhead was one of few horror villains that actually gave me the creeps in the 80s. If anyone is evil, this is the one. Thanks for the great content as usual
sorry i talked to my dad about this and pinhead is not evil. he was only giving you what he thought you wanted. pleasure to some..... he doesnt just kill to kill until the 3rd one. buf that isnt really cannon but is also where he lost the part of him that was human. but i still say hes not evil for the first 2.
@@nicholasmolnar8312pinhead is an evil entity. His pleasure is based from hell torture methods that his victims begs for. I mean, how is he not evil?
@kalibbarnes9548 well what if he sees is not evil. He's held by no moral bounds. People come to him just like frank who found all pleasures of the world and wanted more. The second movie the little girl opens the box and they say no it wasn't her that wanted it open and not just kill/torture her. I still and always will see him as neutral evil. Evil maybe in it but he's also neutral.
Also very weird my youtube named changed since last I used it. I never have had numbers in my name or remember my old name.
it's not "evil" to be a sadist to a willing masochist @@kalibbarnes9548
@@kalibbarnes9548 It is a question of perspective. From ours he is completely and utterly evil because of how alien his morality is from ours. From his he is simply doing his job at bringing "enlightenment" to a world ignorant to all but the crudest experiences of the flesh.
They arent evil. If you fear oblivion, they are angels, providing you with infinite overwhelming stimulation forever. They are the angels of the anti-nirvana, eternal everythingness.
They are evil - from a Buddhist perspective.
I can imagine him saying, oh the horizons of pain are always dawning. Welcome to an ever lasting permutations of experiences of pain and pleasure. As you give and receive. We promise you, until the last star fades away into nothingness, you she’ll not grow bored.
@@jeffreymorgan8687Goddamn.....that would be a brilliant villain monolog
ANGELS TO SOME. DEMONS TO OTHERS.
(Cringe comment ⚠️)
As a nice little addendum, the cover for “Book of The Damned” was done by Simon Bisley. Simon’s art is most famously known for being associated with Heavy Metal Magazine, the comic Lobo, Judge Dredd, ABC Warriors and a number of Danzig album covers.
And Spaced 😀
Yes, I remember when Judgment on Gotham came out at the dawn of my teenage years - I was so blown away that there were pages and pages and panels and panels of Bisley's great art
I love the line “I have such sights to show you” because not only is it just ominous, but coming from pinhead it’s literally the worst thing ever. Like “oh great what does Mr. Ripped up nipples nail head want to show me”. It is the absolute worst case scenario for hearing that sentence. The only way I could hear that and be equally as upset as pinhead telling that to me would be if a guard was telling me that outside of aushwitz.
Buffalo Bill selling Avon Skin Moisturizer…
Its “We have such sights to show you” which imo is even worse. you mean theres more of you?
😮your right
I've never seen Hellraiser but having just heard you talk about it, the lore is my favorite of any horror franchise. Very well done!
The Vile Eye Rules!
I absolutely adore Hellraiser! For me PERSONALLY Frank and Julia are the real villains of the first movie. The sly cheating wife and the creepy deviant dog dick uncle. These two characters are even creepier through the eyes of poor Kirsty. And these people exist in abundance unlike cenobites.
Come to daddy
On god. I got high as a bitch and watched hellraiser again and I was like damn they are a sick twisted pair
A lot of people miss the point that the real villains of the first two films were the human characters, and I have to give props to the reboot for at least understanding that.
No, Tunnel snakes rule... Vile Eye is good though.
@@Bloodsport1 This isn't for your eyes!!!
Pinhead: you’re suffering will be legendary even in hell 💀💀
How bout covering Randall Flagg?? Any Stephen King fans up in here?? Happy Halloween. "Baby can you dig yo man, well baby can you?
Damn good suggestion, maybe follow it up with The Crimson King?
That would be so interesting
Awesome choice!😎👍🏻
The man in black
Definitely a must do
Hellraisers 1 & 2 are masterclasses of special/practical effects, make up and horror.
the 2022 reboot nails both if those aspects
Ever notice that the shape of the Leviathan in Hellraiser resembles a cross encased in a solid shape? A diamond-shaped structure that controls Hell.
Lovecraft gave us Alien Geometry
Clive Barker gives us Infernal Geometry (or Infernal Arithmetic....)
@@darkservantofheaven Oh, I never thought of that. Fascinating.
Great to see this one remastered! Been getting into Hellraiser recently and there’s definitely a lot to explore!
This franchise is like the puzzle box itself
Thank you for making these videos. And for redoing videos with more insights, you truly are a gift on here. Thank you again much appreciated
It's always a great time when Vile uploads.
You should cover Le'garde/kaiser from fear & hunger. The games are amazing as far as horror/resource managment is concerned and the lore and mythology of these games are among the most interesting I've ever seen
So Griffith and HItler?
@@igormorais4192 Gritler
@@eon-sama7736 Hiffith
@@igormorais4192 that's a very accurate description lmao
I really look forward to your re-do of John Kramer especially after the new film. Also, Scream franchise is where you can have a lot of fun covering each Ghostface killers in their own unique videos!
The Cenobites are one of the rare times you can say a group is literally "just doing their jobs" and not being a cover for doing evil things. It really is their purpose. Methods are bad but goal is not. Heck, as shown first movie shows Pinhead is willing too negotiate
baring a few exceptions such as the just unwarranted massacre of the nightclub in HR3 yes they are merely tools most of the time
@@jansonshrock2859i heard interesting theory that pinhead went full slasher when he lost his human side. That's why he's more evil in movies after 2
Yeah 3rd one was generic crap they just made Pinhead a wannabe Slasher villain. It's a very early 90's vibe to it that has aged well. It was also at the time slashers weren't really popular anymore so it kinda was a fail all around@@jansonshrock2859
@@EN-mh4ognah that's because of the studio
@@EN-mh4ogno it's because the people making it had no understanding of the source material and just turned it into a slasher. Barker himself claims he was brought in last minute and was unimpressed by the working print he was shown and was only involved in a handful of scenes
These deep dives are always a pleasure and I'm so greatful you included The Scarlet Gospel as a source of character analysis . Pinhead is one of my favorite villians.
One day, could you do Nyarlathotep, the crawling Chaos, please?
YES!!! I just wish there was more longform stories where hes involved, HPL has written suprisingly little of him, tho for us hardcore fans theres a lot of authors who do mythos pastiches where they contribute their take on the mythos, havent come across much nyarlathotep yet tho check out "Rapture of The Deep" by Cody Goodfellow for a more modern(mostly) take on Lovecraft in anthology form, and an author who really makes the world his own with his own additions, the short story "The Anatomy Lesson"(about ghouls) from that book in particular was a WILD ride, tho the whole book is pretty solid and encompasses just about all the monsters HPL wrote about.
@roryjohnston6567
I'll have to check that out, any source with IT in it, is intriguing to read.
You chould check out
Johnathan. L. Howard's novel
Johannes Cabal and the Fear institute.
It's one of my favorite novels I've read thus far and works as both a stand alone (although its the third entry of the series) or just an interesting adventure through the dreamlands. Eitherway, Nyarlathoteps involvement in the story is a very fitting activity by his truly. I highly suggest it :)
The whole series, really, is worth the read imo.
@@lokismischief2512 unfortunately no nyarlathotep in it, or if he is his involvment is merely hinted at, 1 of the stories is about an iraq war soldier who meets and later joins a mercenary group with a secret purpose may POSSIBLY have some involvment with him but not by name, and even tho it was a good read im not entirely sure what HPL mythos, if any it draws on, i kinda figured maybe him because snakes(snake like creatures)are a big part of the conflict and crawling chaos comes to mind, In any case i was just giving the suggestion that if you like HPL and the world he created youll like this anthology book, as much as i like lovecrafts style sometimes a more contemporary method of writing/dialogue is easier to digest, and its just a fun ride in that universe, was really suprised at some of the stories and the gamut of emotions and variety Goodfelloe is able to incorporate, theres humor, revulsion, romance, action, drama, etc. Etc.
Tbh dreamlands stuff is just about the only HPL i havent read, tho i do know Nyarlathotep makes an appearance in there so its on my to read list.
When Pinhead and Elliot combine it seems like a great depiction of the shadow vs the conscious aka Jungian psychology.
all that because Leviathan was an extreme introvert who didnt wanna be bothered
How the hell did this video make me identify with an ancient Lovecraftian evil shaped like a literal gem?
As someone who has enjoyed your content for a little while now, I just wanted to tell you that I Love the amount of depth and detail you put into this analysis. The only thing I would call disappointing is the total lack of mention for the most recent installment in the franchise. Totally stellar video overall, though.
What a treat! Thank you for taking the time to redo this character, this was a great watch.
Leviathan is like the Higgs Field for hell... and is trying to accelerate the heat death of the universe; so it can sleep in peace. Basically every parent ever is like Leviathan.
Leviathan, watching its Cenobites try to do what it asks them to do: Bruh I'm so tired,
Thanks!
The way I've "head-canoned" the Hellbound/Scarlet Gospels dilemma is that the Leviathan was one of Lecifer's comrades. After the descent into Hell the spiritual agony it suffered in the absence of God drove it into asceticism in the (then) deep wilderness. It explored the depths of that agony, eon after eon, transmogrifying it's flesh until it became the being we see in modern times; forgetting it's past, even it's name, blind to almost all happenings around it. Until the Order built it's fortress-labyrinth around it, inspired by it's example.
Great piece on a horror icon and a nice piece to help make sense of the greater hell raiser lore.
Some thoughts on future analyzing evil subjects .
Bojack Horseman, Edelgard (Fire Emblem Three Houses. Dr. Maruki (Persona 5 Royal). Mr. McMahon (WWE)
Have a great day and I can't to watch more...soon.
Almost an hour on Pinhead? Yes please and thank you.
I like to think that the new film takes place after the end of The Scarlet Gospels when the Priest inhabits a new body and is operating by new rules since the destruction of hell.
So glad this is a long format video. I'm sure it's more work so thank you. Would love more longer videos too. Awesome content.
This was a superb listen. Your pronunciation of words and overall presentation was a pleasure to hear. I love the hellpriest and you did this great Justice.
That lament box would make a great Christmas present for my old boss.
Bravo! I am speechless. You have outdone yourself, which you seem to do with each video!
The first two movies were amazing. Everything else sucked. They turned pinhead into just another brainless slasher.
The 2022 felt in a way sort of as a semi sequel to the first two films, as it paid alot of respect to Barker's vision to Hellraiser. Of course it also serves a soft reboot of sorts
What a journey. This was a monumental video I'm glad I got to watch
Great video and perfect timing, I just finished the Hellraiser movies last night!
This was a much better analysis. So thorough I’ve learned so much. Really enjoyable I’m glad you’ve decided to revisit some of your older ones.
Hopefully you won’t need to soon as they’ll all be of the quality you produced today.
"There is no good. There is no evil. There is only flesh, and the patterns to which we subject it."
Love this. Pinhead is my absolute favorite villain.
What is pleasure and pain where there is no flesh, Eternal. Chaos becomes boring, philosophy terrifying.
This is the best hellraiser content to come out since 2
Fantastic remaster! You really nailed it. Thank you.
Nice to see you redo Hellraiser.
I very much enjoy the concept that they are not evil in the true sense of the word they are vicious and cruel but are just tools manifestations of something beyond our ability to comprehend or control as articles of fate.
Would you ever consider doing a video on the 40k character Conrad Curze? The Night Haunter
Ok, that was _Deeeeep!_ Deep, yet not straight down. Many twisted & Vile pathes along the way! \m/
Heck yeah! Loved the remaster, can’t wait for the next remastered character, could a potential analysis be on the characters and themes of Killers of a Flower Moon?
Wow...This is a top-level masterclass in character/lore breakdown...Kudos!!!
Analyzing Evil: Mr. Bean. Would be interesting I think
In religious texts, Leviathan is always considered a serpent or called The Dragon, similar to how Lucifer is. God also says that Leviathan is “King over all who are proud,” and Lucifer’s first sin was that of Pride.
It’s likely Leviathan and Lucifer are the exact same thing but through poor biblical translation, which biblical texts have been fraught with for thousands of years, have been misunderstood as different.
Thank you Vile Eye.
We have such sights to see!
Hellraiser, only the first, the original, is the ONLY movie that has EVER genuinely scared me. AND does to this day! ❤
Great work as always and there are some noteworthy villains you have yet to cover:
Doyle Hargraves - Sling Blade
Kevin - We Need To Talk About Kevin
President Coriolanus Snow - The Hunger Games
Mademoiselle - Martyrs
Man in Black - Lost
Judge Doom - Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Benny - Benny’s Video
Joan Crawford - Mommy Dearest
Warden Walker - Holes
Vern Schillinger - Oz
Governor Scott Buxton - RRR
Henry Evans - The Good Son
The Stepfather - The Stepfather
Gordon Mosley - The Gift
Arnie Cunningham and Christine - Christine
Craig Toomey - The Langoliers
Darcy Banker - The Green Room
Aileen Wuornos - Monster
The Priest isn't evil, he doesn't hurt anyone who secretly doesn't desire it. If anything he exposes the evil people hold within themselves.
That's true
The video, you uploaded it, WE CAME.
The bible clearly states the difference between Satan and Lucifer, Satan is the great serpent and rival of God, and Lucifer was God's 2nd in command, an angel who rebels and is cast down to earth. The Catholic church has changed them to the same character, but we have mostly all heard the story but get deceived. Thank you, good video.
YES! Thanks for this man! Your videos have made this month SO much better! Ans this was perfect! Wish you a happy halloween! 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
Fun fact: Pinhead is called Pinhead because he has pins in his head
Alright Pinhead. Your time is up.
🤯
The best book I ever read was Imajica by Barker.
Over the years I have revisited all the movies and have grown to appreciate them for what they are. The one where the cop ends up in his groundhog day style hell I did not like but, as the years have passed I actually have grown fond of it as it is a bit of a mind bender the thought of going through all that.
Imajica is one of my favorites as well. (Pie O' Pah is awesome.)
Here's what you really need to know about this franchise. Beyond The Hellbound Heart, Hellraiser 1 and 2, some of the comics and ambiguously The Scarlet Gospel, Clive Barker had nothing to do with any of the rest of it. The lore has been twisted by a multitude of writers, directors and producers and there is no point in trying to find any kind of coherent connection between them beyond the characters. Even with The Scarlet Gospel which was supposedly written by Barker, the lore that was established in The Hellbound Heart and the first two movies was completely discarded. I only consider Hellbound Heart, The first two movies and many of the Epic and BOOM comics as any source of reliable cannon.
I forget which comics were which but i agree about Hellraiser 1 and 2. I remember disliking the comics that Barker wrote where Kirsty became Pinhead and Scarlet Gospels were trash. I honestly don’t think Barker understood what made Pinhead so fascinating.
Pinhead is not a megalomaniac. He’s a stoic, tragic character. And that’s all Doug Bradley, not Barker.
Scarlet Gospels definitely aren’t cannon
@@milkweedreflections I honestly couldn't believe what I was reading. Huge disappointment
"Supposedly" written by Barker, what are you on about? And I don't care about canon, I loved the book for what it was. Hellraiser has gone on too long to have canon at this point and who cares.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715 Oh, christ, I just love when fans don't think the author "understands" the character they created. You created your own Pinhead and love the movie version and don't like the creator's vision, the end. You're a fan of the movies, I'm a fan of the writer.
Absolute magnum opus of a video, well done!!
Pinhead should only be from the novella/first film, potentially the second. He must be the Georges Battaile sensory seeker type character, that of the amoral, transcending the good/evil dichotomy. What originally made him so appealing before the tragic slew of nonesense slasher inspired sequels.
Hell YEA!!! I've been waiting for this one!
Imogen Boorman was the most beautiful girl I ever saw. I remain spoiled for all other girls in light of her.
also remember that Lucifer was cast into hell. That does not make him the master of it.
I always loved how everyone would run from Pinhead and he'd just trail behind them, slow and steady, knowing in the end he'd get them anyway. xD
The concept of hellraiser is more interesting than the actual movies. It just seems no one is able to make something thats actually watchable.
I love the first two films, the third is ok but the rest are terrible.
I do wonder how pain and suffering serve the ends of a being with Leviathan's interests - that is, keeping life as far away from Hell as possible and minimizing it's impact across the span of space-time.
Once Doug Bradley was gone the movies were just simply not the same.
They were universally garbage after 4 but at least Doug was getting that bag. Man's a treasure.
A funny way to look at the Cenobites is that they're aliens trying to give us a great gift but that great gift is pain. They don't have the same understanding for pain as we do. For them pain is pleasure and they want to share it with us.
And so despite being from hell, they're not evil. They just don't understand that pain is bad for us.
Are we evil for destroying a wasps nest when they pop up on the sides of houses and sheds? No but to the wasps we might be.
Only 6 minutes in and there are too many mistakes. The Scarlet Gospels exist in a different universe which Clive Barker himself has confirmed: novel; film; and novels/comics. That being said, the Hell Priest neither leads Hell, nor is a god. Leviathan rules the films, and the Hell Priest is also a Cenobite in the Scarlet Gospels. However, anyone reading the Scarlet Gospels will come across LUCIFER, the highest god in the novels pertaining to Hellraiser. In the films, Leviathan rules the Labyrinth. In print, Lucifer rules Hell.
I think "Cancer Man" (Aka "The Chain Smoking Man) from the X-Files. Dudes a legend. And I love your work! Thank you for your dedication to your work!
YES! Loved the og video man! Thanks for this and hapoy halloween! 🎃🎃🎃🎃🖤🖤🖤🧡🧡🧡
This was a masterwork.
Thank you.
Curious to hear your thoughts on the alien from The Thing (1982)
Gronkmaxxing today are we?
I like the Dead By Daylight timeline. Dwight accidentally opens the box and Pinhead came
Can you do Alucard from Hellsing? That guy might be the biggest on screen menace i've ever seen.
Thirded
Rewatched this about a year ago w my boyfriend who never had seen it… and he looked at me when it was over and said “What the fck did you just make me watch?” 😂
Yes yes and yes I can’t thank you enough for this remastered video of one of the most powerful/iconic horror movie villains in comic and movie history happy Halloween 🎃 to you !
This is why the hellraiser universe is really interesting Pinhead the most iconic villain of horror.
Pinhead: "We have such glorious sights to show you."
Me: "Uhhh.. " (rips a massive fart)
Pinhead: "LOL!"
Me: "LOL!! High five!"
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Leviathan isnt evil. He just needs a hug
I always had a headcannon that HellRaiser Bloodlines led to Event Horizon
Yes! Event Horizon is totally a secret Hellraiser film, kinda like how Life is a secret Venom origin film.
The cenobites are at their best when they aren't just dragging people to hell for opening a puzzle box.
Scariest thing about the cenobites is they’re not evil. They give you what you think you want and when you realise you don’t want it it’s too late.
Clive Barker really pulled it out the bag with these guys. You have to seek them out so there’s no excuse.
Really want a new Barker novel.
Bruh what? Ripping people apart with hooks and blood r*ing them for eternity isn't evil? You are sick if you think anything about them is redeemable
"Oh you sought it out!" Yeah and John Kramer's victims deserved it and were improved by his torture 🙄
I'm sorry but the buyers remorse argument is stupid, if the puzzle box perfectly explained exactly what was gonna happen to you if you opened it NOBODY WOULD EVER OPEN IT besides some lunatic in which case yeah informed consent I guess
But the fact is it's a TRICK or FOOLS you and nobody with any sense of sanity or empathy is gonna say that simply because you have to choose to open a small puzzle box that somehow changes things
They are evil flat out and barker even admits the story was good versus evil with sadomasochistic undertones
Saying the cenobites are neutral is like saying a ouija board is neutral even when it summons killer wraiths to obliterate your dog
"But I don't want eternal pain and pleasure!"
Pinhead: WELL THEN WHY DID YOU ASK FOR IT?
utterly superb review, thank you
Newest Hellraiser movie wasn't too bad I didn't mind the female Pinhead. That movie was needed for franchise that started out good but then ended up being like a train derailing into a fuel tank farm.
yeah. it was refreshing sorta. but they can never bring back the original 2. but at least the movie was written for hellraiser.
I actually liked the new take on Pinhead. She was much more in line with the original.
me personally, i always hated the idea that the labyrinth is hell. i liked the original two movies and the book implying that the cenobites and where they come from is its own thing.
you enter heaven by dying, having lived a life of resisting wants and gain eternal pleasure and enlightenment.
you enter hell by dying, having lived a life giving into wants, and are refused enlightenment and pleasure for never ending pain and restraint.
the labyrinth doesnt kill you at all, instead making you something in between, and they restrain you, and inflict your desires to such a degree that its painful, until it turns into pleasure and enlightenment.
the labyrinth can be described as A HELL but not THE hell. it doesnt match any description of hell, or heaven. even the divine comedy, the first two levels arent THAT horrible. 3 and down is more traditional hell but just two extremes, but they ARE a punishment, the labyrinth is legitimately NOT a punishment, as no matter how much we dont like it, the cenobites arent trying to "hurt" people. they hate emotional torment. not even just the "no tears" quote, their WHOLE thing is they are the alternative that LIVING beings seek when life feels worthless and the afterlife isnt desired. they say as much, just not in those exact words.
thats what makes them so horrifying to me, they want to HELP you. they just dont understand its not help.
although, judging by franks conflicting recollections, Julia's willingness, and the fact that ALL cenobites are once-humans.
(which neither angels or demons are, were, or ever will be human.)
its much more interesting, and to me, far more horrifying AND beautiful to think that the cenobites arent good or evil. malevolent or benevolent. angel or demon. heaven or hell. right or wrong.
they are all of them, to the fundamental core, their own thing
Hell yeah (no pun intended). I was hoping we’d see a remaster for the Pinhead video
Long time fan here, ever since I seen the Cenobites on screen. My understanding of the lore runs deep by virtue of my media, Barker books, comics, movies, and other materials like Fangoria Magazine. I even know someone who had a Signed Bradley poster" though Night Breed/Cabal is my favorite Barker story". I liken the orginal experience of Lavathians realm to provide pain, and pleasure in equal or greater measure" experienced in the same region of the brain", pinhead tells Princess Angelique" Hell is much more....Ordered", and in the latest movie, that was never made, we see a hell" thats supposed to be the beginning" plunged into choas. I suspect that as a result of your statement at the beginning of yhe video of the exchange the world that flowed in experienced more pleasure than pain, I think was more like Sleenesh, and its realm from Warhammer40k, at the start of the Hellraiser Universe.
Very comprehensive analysis of the Hell Priest. I would like to see an analysis of the denizens of Midian from Nightbreed.
Oh I’d love if he did that, especially for that Doctor!
I feel like the lore of these movies is more interesting than the movies themselves! Awesome worldbuilding!