Now I am a true believer of Ginault. Since Ginault introduced Ocean Rover 1, I have been following their models and progress until now. From the time I was introduced to Ginault, I have bought and sold ... probably 10 of them. However currently, I am a proud owner of 3 Ginault watches : OR2 (GSL, aluminum bezel, no date, ETA), OR2 (GSL, ceramic, date/cyclops & SW) AND A SILENT SERVICE (No date version). And probably I will be keeping them for a very long time. When Ginault first introduced this Silent service, I was bit skeptical to plunge myself into this new design and concept. Come to think of it now, I was just to much in love with the dial design, fit & finish, GSL...etc of OR2 and just could not accept the newly designed dial and bezel. Today, I just received no date Silent service. IT IS JUST STUNNING! I must say that the bezel action & how it looks (it seems like the numbers in the bezel are just floating inside of the beautiful bezel) are actually much finer than OR2 ceramic bezel. And the dial & crystal. The AR on the crystal is just amazing. it is like I am looking thru the clearest & calmest water in a lake. There is nothing there. Just your eyes & appreciation thru the clearest crystal in the world. It is much (at least seems) flatter than my OR2 Ginault. Wider, slightly bigger...The strong presents of each indices actually makes the dial. Of course, the bracelet & clasp are the best in the price category. Many complains about the clasp not having a logo, but I fully understand that Ginault can not put their beautiful logo on the clasp until 2028 when Rolex patent expires. Nonetheless, it is the best glide lock clasp that your money can buy. Silent service means : one who goes about the business of serving others without being publicly acknowledged for it. What an excellent choice. I couldn't have named it better. A stunning job, Ginault. A stunning job!!!!
There is a whole lot of hypocrisy out there these days. Virtually every dial design/arrangement case design has been designed. There are only so many ways to put together a wristwatch……there are going to be similarities all the time, there are Omega’s and Rolex’s that look very similar for example. Bottom line this watch is beautiful and incredibly well made, a true bargain.
@@bobcrane812 that’s the long-standing allegation from years ago. Let’s just assume it’s true. In that case we have an extremely gifted watchmaker who chose to use his talents for counterfeit watch production. At some point, he chose to go legit, probably at a financial loss. I know we live in a culture of vengeance and not one of forgiveness……but at some point, it’s time to leave the past behind and evaluate the man and the company for what he’s producing today……which is a beautiful and extremely well made watch. I think it’d be sad to live as a person always trying to remind others what a person did wrong in the past…..that’s just a difference in personalities I guess.
@@Jedi391 how magnanimous of you. I was simply pointing out that the reality and what you said are two very different things. Fakes =/= homage. The owner is free to do other watches as evidenced by this video. But people can decide for themselves whether to support him or not.
@@bobcrane812 I was talking about what we know is actually happening today. You are talking about what may have happened years ago. Two different things indeed and decidedly unmagnanimous of you. It is of course self evident that he/they can make the watches they currently are making. You know that movie plot where a character made mistakes in the past and acted poorly but then he starts over, decides to be the man he should be, and really starts doing things right? There’s always a side character who comes in and wants to destroy that man because he enjoys reminding everyone of the failings of others…..we call him the villain and the audience of course can’t stand him.
@@Jedi391 doesn't all that depend on what said man did? Like if said man murdered someone then that blood doesn't wash away because they do good and the person that reminds them of that isn't the "villian". Buy his watches, no one really cares. But don't defend the practices of shitty people.
Loads of rumors about their past , but have yet to hear anything but rumors I work out of the country and ended up buying a Ocean Rover n/date so I don't have anybody trying to rob me . Always worth at I'd end up in so.e foreign prison for killing some their. Anyways, a great watch that is well put together. This new , Silent Service looks to be more original in design and still very nicely done . No problem wearing any of the GINAULT watches. If the owner did do anything shady in his past , whatever happened to forgiveness and second chances.
Excellent, detailed review, which I appreciate. I own a Ginault Ocean Rover II and am quite happy with it. My initial impressions of the Silent Service are positive. I'm a little bit "iffy" on the flat black dial with the bold red "Silent Service" on the dial and the oversized crown. But, after watching your review, I'm rethinking my position. There may be a second Ginault in the rotation...
I ordered this watch yesterday. The only thing that makes me a bit nervous is all of their warnings to not manually wind it or shower with it and to own a demagnetizer.
As an owner of the Silent Service, the top of the lugs aren't finished very well and look quite unfinished to me. Also the edges that meet up the bracelet at the top of the lugs were very sharp including the bottom of the case edge that sits on your wrist. Overall great watch but for the price I feel it could have better finishing. I took sandpaper to the edges and rounded them and am debating working on polishing the top of the lugs or not at this time.
It's very similar with all brands, don't expect Rolex sourcing eg o-rings in Switzerland, those are also coming from Asia. I am thinking pulling the trigger and where parts are sourced is not my criteria. Seems to be a great watch
I have both the OR1 and OR2 and they are fantastic watches. I would get this one if they made a blue or white dial. I just have too many black dials in my collection.
The exact comment I would write. I too have the OR1 and the OR2 and yes both great although the OR2 seems to be a slightly higher quality despite seeming virtually the same watch when you look at it. If the Silent Service is a step above the OR2 then it will be very special indeed. I also agree that if they could offer a blue dial and blue bezel or white face / black bezel or green/green then I would buy one, but in black and black it’s not different enough to the Ocean Rover for me to splash out on yet another Ginault I am afraid.
have had ours for a little while now, got the cyclops, beautiful quality watch but have to wear it hight and tight or the crown eats into the back of our hand - a little chunky for my wrist size
Pre-ordered my first Ginault and I'm super excited! I went with the same configuration as in the video. Question. Are you ever going to do a state of the collection?
Great review. I especially like what you do with light contrasts. This seems like a great watch. Wish I could see it or try it on, however. It’s frustrating to have to buy it to try it out, then return it if it’s not to your liking, but what’s a micro brand to do!
This watch is gorgeous, I honestly hope they are gonna make a proper OP homage which is the Rolex I would buy if I could but there’s nothing else out there that looks like the op or has a great quality at the moment.
The Silent Service doesn't use their 'own' movement and instead uses a Sellita SW200. But in theory if you don't have to manually wind, why would you add undue stress to the mechanism and introduce another point of failure? Which is why so many collectors will warn to not wind unless you absolutely have to. Personally, I handwind automatics and rarely give it a second thought, but I also own a lot of watches, so there's really no chance of any excessive winding.
@AverageBros in Ginaults case, winding is an issue. They say so. Winding for most movements doesn't add stress, they're made to do so. I'm aware that they use a clone ETA movement. Modern autos have a clutch to prevent overwinding. The ETA 2824 & Ginaults clone are highly prone to breaking from hand winding. Let's face it, for a + 1k watch, ppl want to hand wind most of the time to get things moving, not shake it. Winding should not be "another point of failure". Imo, this is not a good choice of movement.
@@AverageBros thanks gives me a good reference I like the mix of elements and the heave taper on the bracelet does get a little GMT Master 2 w all the text😮
The MSRP on these is getting into absurd territory, that's nearing Monta Oceanking and Oris Aquis level, and I'm sorry this watch isn't up with those. Aside from all of the other shenanigans, and whether this company once made "replicas" or not, it says "chronometer" on the dial, and it has an *Elabore* grade movement. Nobody has a problem with this? I don't care if they regulate it in-house or not. Monta regulates in-house to +/- 5, but they DON'T describe their watches as "chronometers" because they ARE NOT CHRONOMETERS. No COSC, no chronometer. It's BS.
Having had both, the Ginault quality is greater than the Monta. Both great watches, but the Ginault is better finished and built. Did you have the Ocean Rover I or II?
I own the OR2, OR1 and Monta, I can fairly say the OR2 is better than Monta while the OR1 is a little bit behind. The watch is assembled in America so COSC won't certify it. But it doesn't mean the accuracy isn't chronometer level.
I checked the definition for chronometer and it does not mention COSC or specific standards, that’s simply an organization. The term chronometer based on the literal dictionary definition does indeed apply to Ginault. As for Monta, they could also fairly claim chronometer accuracy based on the definition, but they chose not to, that of course is their choice. Of course, you literally cannot become COSC certified if your watch isn’t built in Switzerland.
Everyone I’ve ever talked to who has ever had one has raved about its quality, especially at its price. What did you find with your example that you felt made it not worth $1k?
Its hard if not impossible to find another diver with better quality, and workmanship, at this price point. Many including myself who own the OR1 and OR2 also own more expensive pieces like Rolex and Tudor. And Ginault compares handsomely to those big Swiss giants.
There's watches with 2824's and sw200's that are $3k-$5k lmao I haven't received mine yet but according to most people the finishing is amazing for the price and pretty much unbeatable...like what more could you want an for the price? Nothing else is comparable at the price.
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Love my Ginault.
Now I am a true believer of Ginault. Since Ginault introduced Ocean Rover 1, I have been following their models and progress until now. From the time I was introduced to Ginault, I have bought and sold ... probably 10 of them. However currently, I am a proud owner of 3 Ginault watches : OR2 (GSL, aluminum bezel, no date, ETA), OR2 (GSL, ceramic, date/cyclops & SW) AND A SILENT SERVICE (No date version). And probably I will be keeping them for a very long time.
When Ginault first introduced this Silent service, I was bit skeptical to plunge myself into this new design and concept.
Come to think of it now, I was just to much in love with the dial design, fit & finish, GSL...etc of OR2 and just could not accept the newly designed dial and bezel.
Today, I just received no date Silent service.
IT IS JUST STUNNING! I must say that the bezel action & how it looks (it seems like the numbers in the bezel are just floating inside of the beautiful bezel) are actually much finer than OR2 ceramic bezel. And the dial & crystal. The AR on the crystal is just amazing. it is like I am looking thru the clearest & calmest water in a lake. There is nothing there. Just your eyes & appreciation thru the clearest crystal in the world. It is much (at least seems) flatter than my OR2 Ginault. Wider, slightly bigger...The strong presents of each indices actually makes the dial.
Of course, the bracelet & clasp are the best in the price category. Many complains about the clasp not having a logo, but I fully understand that Ginault can not put their beautiful logo on the clasp until 2028 when Rolex patent expires. Nonetheless, it is the best glide lock clasp that your money can buy.
Silent service means : one who goes about the business of serving others without being publicly acknowledged for it.
What an excellent choice. I couldn't have named it better. A stunning job, Ginault. A stunning job!!!!
which one do you like better? ocean Rover 2 or Silent service?
@@Mutex_Lock Silent service, mainly due to the bezel. and it's uniqueness compared to Rolex homage of OR2
@@alexsdg3441 Thanks for the reply, i placed an order for the silent service. Now the waiting game begins!
Great review and a stunning watch. Ginault should continue to develop their own DNA and do their own thing, making great watches 👍👍
There is a whole lot of hypocrisy out there these days. Virtually every dial design/arrangement case design has been designed. There are only so many ways to put together a wristwatch……there are going to be similarities all the time, there are Omega’s and Rolex’s that look very similar for example. Bottom line this watch is beautiful and incredibly well made, a true bargain.
Ginault was making fake rolex's with Rolex branding, not Rolex homages. Not the same thing.
@@bobcrane812 that’s the long-standing allegation from years ago. Let’s just assume it’s true. In that case we have an extremely gifted watchmaker who chose to use his talents for counterfeit watch production. At some point, he chose to go legit, probably at a financial loss. I know we live in a culture of vengeance and not one of forgiveness……but at some point, it’s time to leave the past behind and evaluate the man and the company for what he’s producing today……which is a beautiful and extremely well made watch. I think it’d be sad to live as a person always trying to remind others what a person did wrong in the past…..that’s just a difference in personalities I guess.
@@Jedi391 how magnanimous of you. I was simply pointing out that the reality and what you said are two very different things. Fakes =/= homage.
The owner is free to do other watches as evidenced by this video. But people can decide for themselves whether to support him or not.
@@bobcrane812 I was talking about what we know is actually happening today. You are talking about what may have happened years ago. Two different things indeed and decidedly unmagnanimous of you. It is of course self evident that he/they can make the watches they currently are making. You know that movie plot where a character made mistakes in the past and acted poorly but then he starts over, decides to be the man he should be, and really starts doing things right? There’s always a side character who comes in and wants to destroy that man because he enjoys reminding everyone of the failings of others…..we call him the villain and the audience of course can’t stand him.
@@Jedi391 doesn't all that depend on what said man did? Like if said man murdered someone then that blood doesn't wash away because they do good and the person that reminds them of that isn't the "villian".
Buy his watches, no one really cares. But don't defend the practices of shitty people.
Loads of rumors about their past , but have yet to hear anything but rumors
I work out of the country and ended up buying a Ocean Rover n/date so I don't have anybody trying to rob me . Always worth at I'd end up in so.e foreign prison for killing some their. Anyways, a great watch that is well put together. This new , Silent Service looks to be more original in design and still very nicely done . No problem wearing any of the GINAULT watches. If the owner did do anything shady in his past , whatever happened to forgiveness and second chances.
I know it’s a bit homagish but I really like it! I ordered the date/no cyclops. It’ll be fun comparing it to my Rolex sub😎. Best regards
Its my favorite watch I've purchased in the last couple years
If they lessens the text at 6 and carried over their enamel dials from the OR. That would be spot on for me
Excellent, detailed review, which I appreciate. I own a Ginault Ocean Rover II and am quite happy with it. My initial impressions of the Silent Service are positive. I'm a little bit "iffy" on the flat black dial with the bold red "Silent Service" on the dial and the oversized crown. But, after watching your review, I'm rethinking my position. There may be a second Ginault in the rotation...
ahh it's beautiful. it's a seamaster in a rolex case
How is that a rolex case with no crown guards?
@@hockingham7160Rolex made Subs without crowns.
Drama aside; phenomenal watch with a robust movement for sure. Thanks for reviewing it!
It’s a really nice piece. I wear a 16613 as my daily and I would buy this and use alongside.The import tax into the UK would be my issue.
There's no import Tax! Ginault covers it. At least they did when I ordered mine.
Great review! I appreciate your detailed review. I’ve ordered one and can’t wait to receive it.
Enjoy it, next level in person for sure
I ordered this watch yesterday. The only thing that makes me a bit nervous is all of their warnings to not manually wind it or shower with it and to own a demagnetizer.
As an owner of the Silent Service, the top of the lugs aren't finished very well and look quite unfinished to me. Also the edges that meet up the bracelet at the top of the lugs were very sharp including the bottom of the case edge that sits on your wrist. Overall great watch but for the price I feel it could have better finishing. I took sandpaper to the edges and rounded them and am debating working on polishing the top of the lugs or not at this time.
I placed my order for this one about a month ago, and I'm hoping the next watch they do, has their own inhouse movement. Tim S.
Its a very nice watch. Good comparison between the OR
I pre ordered my own last week, diver date no cyclops
Love this. Want to buy it, but I think it’d be too big for my 6.25” wrist
Thanks for being upfront about manufacturing sources!😊 It's been like pulling teeth!
It's very similar with all brands, don't expect Rolex sourcing eg o-rings in Switzerland, those are also coming from Asia. I am thinking pulling the trigger and where parts are sourced is not my criteria. Seems to be a great watch
I have both the OR1 and OR2 and they are fantastic watches. I would get this one if they made a blue or white dial. I just have too many black dials in my collection.
The exact comment I would write. I too have the OR1 and the OR2 and yes both great although the OR2 seems to be a slightly higher quality despite seeming virtually the same watch when you look at it. If the Silent Service is a step above the OR2 then it will be very special indeed.
I also agree that if they could offer a blue dial and blue bezel or white face / black bezel or green/green then I would buy one, but in black and black it’s not different enough to the Ocean Rover for me to splash out on yet another Ginault I am afraid.
have had ours for a little while now, got the cyclops, beautiful quality watch but have to wear it hight and tight or the crown eats into the back of our hand - a little chunky for my wrist size
Dayum I want one now
I'd rather have a Ginault on my wrist then have a submariner in my safe.
Nice looking watch, not sure the end links match the case though, I wonder why?
I see a match up of a better proportioned maxi case to the oyster bracelet, such a classic match up. Not sure what you mean?
Pre-ordered my first Ginault and I'm super excited! I went with the same configuration as in the video. Question. Are you ever going to do a state of the collection?
I just ordered one 3 weeks ago how long is there turn around? Anyone know?
Their website said about a month depending on when you slot into their build schedule.
Great review. I especially like what you do with light contrasts. This seems like a great watch. Wish I could see it or try it on, however. It’s frustrating to have to buy it to try it out, then return it if it’s not to your liking, but what’s a micro brand to do!
What was the original movement in case i would pick up a pre owned one ?
For this model it's always been an SW200 but for the Ocean Rover 1, they used an ETA clone of debated origin
@@AverageBros Thank You 🙏
Great review
This watch is gorgeous, I honestly hope they are gonna make a proper OP homage which is the Rolex I would buy if I could but there’s nothing else out there that looks like the op or has a great quality at the moment.
Have you had a look at the Monta Noble? It totally filled the OP39 space for me
@@AverageBros thank you I didn’t know about that! I have checked that out and it’s got the date, that would annoy my Ocd a lot! 🤣
@@AverageBros Omg the black version is stunning!!! 😍😍
So basically the bracelet is probably made in same factory as a Rolex super clone
Its a shame that Ginault says on their website not to handwind this movement. They say it will shorten the life of it or damage it.
The Silent Service doesn't use their 'own' movement and instead uses a Sellita SW200. But in theory if you don't have to manually wind, why would you add undue stress to the mechanism and introduce another point of failure? Which is why so many collectors will warn to not wind unless you absolutely have to. Personally, I handwind automatics and rarely give it a second thought, but I also own a lot of watches, so there's really no chance of any excessive winding.
@AverageBros in Ginaults case, winding is an issue. They say so. Winding for most movements doesn't add stress, they're made to do so. I'm aware that they use a clone ETA movement. Modern autos have a clutch to prevent overwinding. The ETA 2824 & Ginaults clone are highly prone to breaking from hand winding. Let's face it, for a + 1k watch, ppl want to hand wind most of the time to get things moving, not shake it. Winding should not be "another point of failure". Imo, this is not a good choice of movement.
@@jonirwin7316 yeah, they didn't choose it, they chose the SW200 instead
@@AverageBros I know. The SW is a copy of the ETA. Both are flawed.
@AverageBros duh. Still a good watch with a shyte movement
Is the lume greenish blue like on a ward? Or is it bluer as seen in the low light transitions?
Blue
Ginault... Ja-know? Nah - didn't know.
Should have used female endlinks
Excellent review and nice watch. I really enjoy your channel.👍
I cant find the ocean rover 2 is it discontinue?
those bezel the teeth need to file down a bit. That did it for me.
really like it excellent fair and on point review...going to move an establishment piece or two ...I have a Ball Skin Diver how would it compare?
Ball give you a lot of value for money, so this would be very close in terms of fit and finish.
@@AverageBros thanks gives me a good reference I like the mix of elements and the heave taper on the bracelet does get a little GMT Master 2 w all the text😮
I think it is better value for money than the Ball and better resale value if you choose
@@ericdavismd I placed an order on Wednesday how are they to deal with also sold some other pieces and purchased a Ball all titanium 7750 chronograph
@@ericdavismd the savings let me make an additional move
The MSRP on these is getting into absurd territory, that's nearing Monta Oceanking and Oris Aquis level, and I'm sorry this watch isn't up with those. Aside from all of the other shenanigans, and whether this company once made "replicas" or not, it says "chronometer" on the dial, and it has an *Elabore* grade movement. Nobody has a problem with this? I don't care if they regulate it in-house or not. Monta regulates in-house to +/- 5, but they DON'T describe their watches as "chronometers" because they ARE NOT CHRONOMETERS. No COSC, no chronometer. It's BS.
Having had both, the Ginault quality is greater than the Monta. Both great watches, but the Ginault is better finished and built. Did you have the Ocean Rover I or II?
I own the OR2, OR1 and Monta, I can fairly say the OR2 is better than Monta while the OR1 is a little bit behind. The watch is assembled in America so COSC won't certify it. But it doesn't mean the accuracy isn't chronometer level.
I checked the definition for chronometer and it does not mention COSC or specific standards, that’s simply an organization. The term chronometer based on the literal dictionary definition does indeed apply to Ginault. As for Monta, they could also fairly claim chronometer accuracy based on the definition, but they chose not to, that of course is their choice. Of course, you literally cannot become COSC certified if your watch isn’t built in Switzerland.
Be careful not to dive with the clock in the sea on a hot day! The bracelet gets rust !!!! At least for me in OR2 the steel is not of high quality!
I've been following this brand for years now, rust? anyone else???
@@bolts4006 I’ve never heard of that on a Ginault, they do say to clean it after ocean use.
Did you rinse the watch in fresh water after you’d been in the sea with it?
Don't like there past 💯 Shady
I agree Rip Off !
Ridiculous……I feel bad for people like you and those around you.
@@juniorjohnson5961 “rip off” implies they aren’t worth the money. These watches are absolutely worth the asking price.
Fake rolex brand, re badged as ginault. Very shady history imo
😂😂😂..the whole watch industry is shady. where you been. The Ocean Rover is a sweet watch.
$1,200 at the sale price is still way too expensive .
Everyone I’ve ever talked to who has ever had one has raved about its quality, especially at its price. What did you find with your example that you felt made it not worth $1k?
I’ve owned the OR1 since 2017. It is absolutely worth $1000. I imagine this watch is no different.
Its hard if not impossible to find another diver with better quality, and workmanship, at this price point. Many including myself who own the OR1 and OR2 also own more expensive pieces like Rolex and Tudor. And Ginault compares handsomely to those big Swiss giants.
There's watches with 2824's and sw200's that are $3k-$5k lmao I haven't received mine yet but according to most people the finishing is amazing for the price and pretty much unbeatable...like what more could you want an for the price? Nothing else is comparable at the price.
@@datboi__ Ok I've reconsider 👍
Monta might be better.