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Ginault Silent Service Watches - Diver & Traveller
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2022
- Both these watches will be available for purchase through the Ginault website
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Let me know your thoughts about this brand and its history
As a finalised finished product the quality is on a very high level with only a few negatives as mentioned in the video
Let me know your thoughts
Thanks for watching..
Since we’re on the topic….. Jesus Christ set me free! I am able to enjoy everyday life and watches are a big part of that. God bless you and your household!
Great intro! Thats right we should be slow to judge and quick to forgive and never gossip or cast aspersions. Use your wisdom in everthing you do including watch purchases.
🤮 no one needs to hear that cult bull crap. Jesus isn't real, he didn't die for anyone's sins because no one needed their sins to be cleansed.
When I first paid attention as a "watch aficionado," I came across Ginault, and read all the dirt on the brand from blogs. The owner never clarified where its watches were made. Fast forward to today. Based on my observation on the brand, Ginault should be commended for the possibility, that it was one of the first brands to "disguise" the use of parts made overseas, and to say otherwise. This was years before anyone started to realize, that Hong Kong made excellent watches. So give it up to Ginault, they are pioneers in this regard (I say based on what I have heard, not fact). However, it is fact that as an example, most Swatch Group lower shelf offerings have their origins in Hong Kong. Thank you for reviewing Ginault, they remain an "enigma," but relevant as the best submariner homage out there.
They’re relevant for more than that. This Silent Service is as well finished and put together as some of the more upper tier Swatch group products…..which also use Asian sourced parts. Of course as long as they’re good quality who cares.
@@Jedi391 Your points gracefully appreciated!
I came across the brand due to its history. I researched more into the watchmaker and the story behind and I knew I had to pull the trigger for one of his work. Upon receiving the watch without a doubt the OR2 is by far the BEST Submariner homage to date on the market. It can rival for 116610 easy if we are not comparing the movements (the comments saying this is just another overpriced homage, they honestly don't know what they are talking about and have never handled the Ginault in person) Ginault builds watches that can easily rival watches 4-5 times the price range. This new Silent Service is extremely well built too. Besides the bracelet, I don't see how this is a Rolex homage. It's extremely different to my eyes.
Very much the same for me! He really builds exceptional quality watches at a very reasonable price.
I also don't see how this is a Rolex homage. If this is a Rolex homage, then so is my Omega SMP.
Hello everybody. Two months ago I bought my Ginault 181275GSLID. It has a blue Dial with kind of golden applied indicies, a black date wheel and a blue coloured aluminium bezel with golden numbers. It is the most beautiful submariner style watch I have ever seen. And as Peter said the built quality is absolutely exceptional. I had to buy this used watch after a long search for it directly in the USA, and it has become my absolute grail watch. So in my opinion there is no doubt about it, that a ginault watch is worth every cent you pay for it. And the question about a replica or not everybody has to answer himself. I think it is all about the quality of a watch and what you get for your money!
I think that model is the best one tbh. I would buy one eventually.
@@garyk8285 it is indeed
Peter, I gave your video a big thumbs up for a few reasons. First, I like the prologue to your video. The Biblical reference was good and warranted. In today's information environment there is so much "misinformation" flying around it's almost impossible to get an accurate read on something so subjective as watches and who made what and when. The news is filled with half-truths, lies, and innuendos, and it's sickening. Has there been some court case with convicted felons that we are not aware of? No? Then, move on.
I have watched at least 20 reviews of the Ginault watches, and every one of them promulgates the expertise and quality of this brand's products. It's undeniable. So, if you are looking for a quality watch - here it is! You can buy it at a reasonable price. Does it make a difference where it was made? Who actually polished it? Who had the dedication to design and produce it? No. In the end, you are buying a quality watch - not joining forces with the "dark side" with some cosmic demon.
I have not had the pleasure of talking with "John" (I'm guessing the owner), but my guess is, that he's a guy who likes making watches and wants to do it well enough to make a positive impression with his public followers. And if he makes money at it, so be it.
Until there is a real court case where someone is found to be guilty of some misdeed, the gossip (and that's what it is) is not worth your time. And, even if the worst of all things happens, you can't take away the education, talent, persistent desire, and courage it took for someone to produce a product others appreciate.
Drop your stones - unless you are perfect.
Nicely said Ken, be well my friend
I ordered one... I've tried their older model on and its great quality... I think the silent service model has it's own vibe... more like the old Omega Seamaster 300 look but with Rolex looking bracelet. Can't wait to get it in
I ordered one too-Rolex DNA where you want it and an Omega dial that I love. When Omega reissues the original Seamaster 300 I’ll probably get one but I’ll be happy with this.
I just got mine. I’ve never been so blown away by the quality of a watch. I haven’t handled a newer 41mm Sub so I can’t make that comparison but the Seamaster and 40mm Subs? Yeah, this holds up. To my taste the aesthetic is perfect. Inspired by previous designs for sure, but what modern watch isn’t (that still looks good). This is such a unique blend that it’s just perfect. I also like the idea of a small 1-2 man shop making these as opposed to some corporate giant mass producing them. As for the shady past, it’s pretty common for enterprising types who come out with some magnificent products to start it bending ethics along the way. You think Steve Jobs was fair and ethical with Wozniak? Still like your iPhone I bet. You think Hans Wilsdorf started Rolex as a non-profit because he wasn’t interested in making money, or just maybe it had something to do with being able to avoid some taxes? I look forward to more Ginaults.
Well said!
Yea they look incredible. They look Rolex quality.
Hans made it a charitable trust well after he started his company.
I had to sell my 16610 and 116610 because I needed money to start my business in 2021 so I was looking for a good Sub homage and came across Ginault. I learned about the history, and I won't lie, it kind of bothered me a bit. But when I received the watch from Ginault, I got VERY excited. The quality is basically on par with my 6-digit Sub and blows the 5-digit Sub out of the water so it got me more curious and did some deep dive into researching the watchmaker TC and was blown away by the level of his work. The guy was the top watchmaker in his line of business, so if you are looking for a Sub homage, who else is better suited? Can't argue with that!
Dear Pete, I really enjoyed this review, and most of all the basis for your intro and rationalization of potential wrong doing by this watch company.
The watch seems absolutely well made and overall a quality piece. I don't have much of an issue with homages as long as they add a little of their own twist, and when the watch being homaged is no longer available and or almost impossible to obtain.
Beyond that, my greatest like is your story of fault and no judges and your impeccable honesty and integrity in your reviews.
I'm not perfect, I try to do as best as I can, and don't judge based on mistakes as present actions are more important.
While I prefer honesty, I respect this company for trying to make a good product and in doing so make a positive contribution to the watch community.
Thank you brother and God bless.
Thanks Rafa, you're right about the watch though it is very well made
Stay well my friend
Thank youYOU! your referral to a quote by Jesus in your opening, which leads me to believe your a Christian. This makes my opinion of your videos even higher than I thought before. Thank you!
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Watches are wrist art… homages lack the art for and never satisfy that itch for me. Glad to see anything made/assembled in the USA
I have two Ginault models OR1 & OR2. The first one, has had the movement upgraded to a SW200 one and although took some time for them to do so, the work they did was to a good standard. Both are well made and the best Rolex homages out there. Price point being good value for money. I do not favor Mercedes hour hands so the sword blade style are welcoming. Aesthetically, there is not much different to Submariners. Accuracy of the OR1 and OR2 models are well within COSC and cheaper to maintain or service. Functionality being the same. A ten to fifteenth of the price of the Submariner (if you can get one) is a foregone conclusion to me that Ginault was the right decision. I have have owned submariners in the past and they did not do anything more for me than the OR1 and OR2.
I also own the 116610, and my OR2s are right up there with it. And at the same time, my OR2s have the perfect 5-digit Sub case that I love!
Don’t care for 12 hour bezels! Ghost date at this price is a no go ! If you don’t like this you are stuck with it! Wearing my not ugly duckling Meteorite as I type this! Great job, as always Peter!
cheers Jerry
Loved the intro Pete, a great lesson for a Sunday here in England. I love the look of the watch. Let's forgive and forget.
Love the 2254.50 vibes!
I really wanted a 5 digit sub for many years. It seemed whenever I managed to save up the cash, the price rose another $3K so I just gave up. I ordered one of these a few months ago and it really fills the void.
I love my Silent Service. I also have the Ocean Rover 2 with the blue ceramic bezel.
Do they keep good time?
@@Jack-tp5ji they do!
@@crossen0What bezel and date choice did you go with?
@@tacomn diver bezel and no date
These are exceptionally well made, but I much prefer the styling of the ORII. I had saved the money to buy one, but they discontinued it right as I inquired about buying one. No reason Ginault couldn’t produce and sell both models. Hopefully they bring the ORII back.
Ever try to hand assemble a batch of watches?… there are reasons.
I definitely grab one at the pre-order price. Very well executed timepiece. I mean if you like it or love it, go for it. Well done Ginault and thanks Peter for the video, I didn’t know anything about the past. Great videos and reviews as usual. 👊🏼
Yub, at their phase-1 pre-order promo pricing, it's a steal!
I agree, at the pre-order prices, these things are unbeatable!
I own one of their prototypes, and I can attest that the quality is very near Rolex. I know because I owned a 14060 with a similar case at the time. Judge Ginault for what they are, not for their past. Like you said Peter, let him who is without fail throw the first stone
Well said well said!
Wow great review! I have the OR2 and that thing is a beast. The quality from Ginault is amazing. I know about the history which is exactly the reason I bought the OR2, knowing TC at the helm, that's guarantee for top quality and finish. They are leagues above the other micros. Monta is comparable but double the price.
I am on the fence of the SS this video is just what I need.
same for me!
I really don’t understand why Ginault does not take the time to eliminate the ghost position. They obviously take the time to remove the date wheel. All it requires is replacement of the 3 notch setting lever jumper with the 2 notch variant, an operation requiring the removal of 2 screws and the jumper and replacement with the new jumper. At best, a 5 minute operation for anyone familiar with the ETA 2800 series.
Pleased to see Ginault back. I like this watch. It maybe a Rolex Homage (probably the best one out there) but it also has some lovely Omega Seamaster references too. Also love the splash of red with the second hand and the text. Negatives too many lines of text (Kinetic Continuous - c'mon guys!) I preferred the name Ocean Rover to Silent Service. I personally wish they had relaunched it as the next generation Ocean Rover, if there has been any improvements, and celebrated their infamous past. This is a quality watch and a great way to get your Rolex fix without spending stupid money.
I just ordered my Gault!! The minute I saw it on here I knew this is the watch. The design is beautiful. Attention to detail and quality is way up there like the big boys without paying those extra $$$$$ for the promotional department. In time this watch will go up in price. Regarding their past don’t believe it until you see it.
But you can’t bit the price for this kind of quality.
Although I've never had any actual experience with the brand , most people that have reviewed them, say they are beautifully made. At the end of the day they are an homage to rolex, although these ones are different to their earlier models. I'm in the camp if you want a rolex homage, then get a san Martin as they cost under £200 in the UK. The ginault is nicer than a san Martin, but at 1k , you can buy some great nearly new watches , like rado, tag heuer , oris , longines etc. And safe in the knowledge your buying a real Swiss watch , with real histories in the brands. That said the ginault is great quality for the money , and generally hold their value , so can't be considered a bad buy . I've kind of contradicted myself , lol. Good review as always Peter.
Well I choose to consider these watches for what the are, and they are exceptionally well made watches. While I think it's a great decision that they went without crown guards I'm not fully convinced by the oversized 12 o'clock marker beind so big that it gobbles up the adjacent minute markers, I would have preferred black glossy dials and the watch could have done with one or two less lines of text on the dial and a signed clasp.
Spot on!
IMHO nothing comes close to Ginault in terms of case/bracelet execution, finishing and looks at the USD 1K price range. I own a Ginault Ocean Rover 2 and absolutely love it. The feel of it on the wrist is fantastic and my friends who own Rolexes keep saying how impressed they are with the watch.
I 100% agree. Finely crafted, the watchmaker knows his business well. The bezel turning action on mine is as good as my 116610 that I used to own.
Ginault makes a fantastic watch, the quality is very good ,the finishing is superbly done. Their ocean rover is a wonderful watch I see no reason this would be any different.
Even if they were ever guilty of replica watches, shouldn't we celebrate them for getting out of that and creating new high quality pieces?
You've got a point there 👍
They are excellently crafted watches
Great video Peter, I’ve never heard of these and their past would not both me a great deal. I like the diver although I don’t think I could pay that for watch which so closely mimics Rolex. I’m not against homage watches and this has tried to change its dna with the dial etc but for $1,000+ it needs to have more of its own dna (in my opinion).👍
I've been very curious about Ginault for some time. But that shady past is something that has stopped me from taking them seriously. Interestingly this video has made me rethink because as mentioned everyone deserves a second chance per se. I must say it seems those that do have these watches always speak highly of them. Fit and finish seems to be outstanding.
A little disappointing that the traveler bezel is not quite tight enough, I actually like traveler bezels they are just more useful than timing bezels for everyday use.
But I may have to give Ginault another look.
You definitely should mate. I was on the same boat as you, not being very comfortable but after receiving the watch in in steel, I knew the guy means business. His watches are finely crafted and can rival the big crown, speaking from personal experience. (owned both the 116610 and 16610)
I’ve handled the OR1 next to my 116610ln and was impressed! I just ordered the silent service with date.
@@danboyce1201What configuration did you go with?
I got my Silent Service yesterday and I’m loving it. It exceeds my high expectations in almost every way (and yes, I’m getting that Rolex experience at quite a discount).
Blown away by mine as well, Peter. Great video man!
Love my Ginault Ocean Rover..and the Silent Service is on my short list.🎉🎉
Not a bad looking watch. I have never heard of the brand good or bad.im not the biggest fan of homages but they do seam well built.all watches have a little bit of something else in them.too much writing on the dial for me.great video thanks Pete
Cheers Mal
I go back and forth with homages. I'm fine with them overall, but I tend to lose interest in them...until a really good one comes along. This one strikes the right balance between aping Rolex and not quite. I also like that it has a maxi-style case with slightly thicker lugs. Seriously considering this one now.
UPDATE: I ordered one a few days ago 😎 I also noticed that you can make a deposit and pay the rest when the watch is ready to ship.
I thought the dial was more Omega than Rolex,just because of ghe rectangles indexes over round ones,great video though.
The dial is very similar to the old Omega Seamasters. Check out the Helson Sharkmaster 300-a homage to the original Omega Seamaster. Great looking watch btw. Best regards 😎
1. i'm reasonably confident the allegations are true based on my interactions with some individuals on social media. i don't have irrefutable proof, but you know... the rest of my points will be made with the assumption those allegations are true [disclaimer: i own an OR2 and the likelihood of me selling it is pretty low, if not 0]
2. calling them a "manufacturer" in their past is not right. we're not talking about a replica factory, but a single dude who hand made replicas for other dudes on some forum (or more than one forum?). this isn't like the gazillion "aliexpress special" brands who sell those literal replicas with a different logo just so they can't be branded as replicas
3. in the grand scheme of things, making a couple dozen/hundred replicas aimed at "enthusiasts" (are they? i don't know and don't want to judge :)), is about as light grey in the spectrum of shady dealings a watch manufacturer can be accused of. i mean, some of the biggest watch manufacturers in the world literally made watches for Nazis and various other fascists, among other things. if you think Ginault's past is some kind of heinous crime, the available pool of not just watch, but other manufacturing companies you should be buying your stuff from, should be very, very, very, very limited
anyway, great review as always. my biggest criticism of the actual watch, as well as their previous models, stays the same: the dial bible is idiotic and ugly and stupid and borderline engrish. get rid of it and play with the text and logos to make it work with that, if you think the dial needs it (imho, it doesn't. let that inky shiny glossy deep black of the enamel "breathe" and come through on its own)
i'd also like to see an OR2 "pelagos edition", i.e. full matte in titanium [same hands and indices design as the OR2, not snowflakes, just to be clear :)], ceramic matte bezel, grainy matte dial, full 3D indices. the world needs a proper modern Milsub that's purpose built, and not too fancied up with shiny bling [i'm not hating on bling, but too much too often makes it lose its luster... pun intended :P]
if they managed to scale up production enough, it could even be a full blown series of models with all kinds of different dial colours, and maybe even designs (like the BlackBay for example comes with 3-6-9 numerals for some special editions)
eh, now i'm waaay past rambling , sorry :D
The macro on those indices at the beginning of the video reminded me of the SBDC051 which isn't a bad thing. They are so well done.
Great and unbiased video Peter 👍 I’m waiting for my own example of this watch. Had to buy one though, my channel isn’t as big as yours 😂 Let me know if you’re selling 👍
With so much text on the dial they might have included a disclaimer explaining their past!
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As a Muslim, love hearing more stories about Jesus (peace be upon him). Thank you for sharing them
Thank you from a Christian, that’s really cool!
Great review, and kudos for starting with a tale about Jesus.
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Great video Peter, love that intro 👏
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For what half the price you can get s steinhart with an sw300.
One of my favorites right now.
Love your intro and analysis. Nice watch Good vid. Keep at it!
Thanks Mark
Hi Peter,
Never knew about the controversy until you mentioned it. I have seen the Ginault name and logo before but I thought they were a production company associated with French movies. Not sure how I came to that assumption. That aside, after reading about the ‘fraud’ and watching your review I would suggest you send the traveller back and keep the diver, or send it to me as it’s a great looking watch.
Keep up the good work,
Cheers,
Benny.
Thanks for the review, Pete! Owned their previous model. Bummed to see about the regulation and bezel. Hard to return things when you’re not from the US.
That’s what’s stopping me buying one
What you say about the Traveler's bezel and it's easy movement is wild or its because this video is 1 year old and they fixed the issue.
I say this because I have that exact same watch but with the date showing because I didn't want a ghost position. The movement of my bezel is perfect, not too light, not too hard and it always stays at the 12 position cause that's where i keep it most the time.
Awesome watches, I bought mine after all the great reviews I saw about it and its promotional price. Mine is #19 out of #112.
It sounds like they have fixed the issues and niggles. Excellent, enjoy it 👍
Very nice looking watches. I have never understood the real world usefulness of a 12 hour bezel. 12 hour bezels seem very popular with watch modders, but how difficult is it to add or subtract an integer
I do recall "the dirt" on them and don't hold it against them personally. They were trying to push the notion of an American luxury brand and it backfired a bit.
The Pros: Nice design and not too homage-ish. They seem to have really nice finishing. I thoroughly dig the logo and finishing touches.
The Cons: If Ginault wants to get their name circulating more they need to come up with lines that they can offer perpetually in the $400 and $700 categories first imo.
There is entirely too much competition in that ~$1,400 category from (way) more well regarded companies.
Great looking watch though and I wish them well.
They have been selling the OR1 and OR2 (and both sold out) for years. Even the secondary market's pricing for the ORs are holding steady at around $1k-$1.2k, The quality and value proposition they offer in these watches have long been viewed as the best value for money in the $1K price range.
I would buy this watch if it were not for the questionable past. But then again...do we truly know where all of our beloved watch brands source their parts from? I doubt that most brands are squeaky clean if any parts come from Asia
Love the design, very Omega inspired. History doesn't bother me, forgive & forget. Only thing that bothers me is "made in America" TBH - means overpriced. I'd certainly be tempted on the used market tho. Rather have a ghost position than an actual date, really dislike that pointless complication..
Good review, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Trust me, brother, not overpriced at all especially if you can score one at the phase-1 pre-order pricing. Just research up on the OR2's pricing trend, used market is around $1.2k and that's holding at the same price range as the phase-2 pricing. And trust me, these are hand-built in the US. There is a link on WUS, that some dude had to send the watch back to John for a check, and according to that person, John recorded a video of the watch a few hours after the package showed delivered. He puts them together at his workbench at home. It's been that way since the old days.
@@mattk9308 cool, thank you for your comment 👍🏻
Great review Peter. Very well done
Cheers Dale, appreciate the feedback mate 👍
The inky black dial of the ocean rover 2 was FAR nicer. Good balanced review.
Looks like a SS sports Rolex case and bracelet, with an Omega 2254 dial. Not sure what to make of the bezel
I wish they still offered their original Ocean Rover with the original blue lume ane date/date cyclops. It was a gorgeous watch. These are just...OK.
Good looking watch.
Hi Pete, If ever want to remove the Ginault to make room in your collection, I would love to buy it.
Thanks for the offer, I’ve already sent it out to a viewer two days after the video went live
Cheers
Attractive piece. I know nothing of the allegations concerning this brand, however the 7 lines of text inclusive of their branding on the dial are too much in my opinion. Also, in my opinion a touch overpriced as the specs were being revealed, I envisaged a price point around 800.before Peter stated the actual pricing. Love the videography as usual.
I have the OR2 and the Silent Service (and many many other micros) I can fairly say at this entry 1k price range the quality we get is a steal. Monta which is comparable to Ginault sits at $2k for most of their watches. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind picking it up for $800 but I just cannot think of anything offered on the market now (new) for 800 with this level of production quality.
A poor man’s omega?
Thanks for the review Pete
Great review! I really wish they would have gone with a glossy dial like the Ocean Rover over the matte dial (my personal preference) but otherwise looks like a great watch. Which one do you think you will keep? I assume the lightness of the traveler bezel is making you lean to the diver?
I think the soft travellers bezel would drive me crazy everytime I look at it out of place
@@PeterKotsaSo what configuration would you recommend? Diver and date?
@@tacomn yes, for me, yes 👍
@@PeterKotsa Thanks for the feedback. In your eyes date only or date + Cyclops? Thanks
@@tacomn Not sure, sometimes I favour a cyclops, other times just plain date..either way no issues though 👍
I want the watch Jesus wore)))) 😉
It seems to me that Ginault has fused the DNA of three watches. They took the case of the Tudor Black Bay, the bracelet and dial lettering of the Rolex Submariner No Date and the general dial and hand design of the Omega Seamaster from the sixties. The result is a good-looking homage watch with no clear provenance, but still lacking an independent design. I have to admit that the one item that bothers me the most is the lettering. In this case not so much because of a copycat issue but more as it is, in my opinion, just too much text on the dial.
In your starting story, the woman has admitted her sins and expressed regret. I agree that they should admit and move on. But more importantly, they need to state that they no longer make replicas. That would settle the debate.
Do you have any suggestion for a contender at this price point with similar build and quality?
Christopher Ward
If Tsung Chi wants to send me a free one of these I’ll do a review on it.
Oh and are the diver indexes a tad wider than the traveller's?it did look so,in some shots,a tiny bit fatter?.
They are exactly the same
Cheers
Looks handsome except for all that printing on the dial.
I prefer the OR2, a big shame they don't make it anymore.
This one with no crown guard and this enormous ward that serve as a crown doesn't appeal to me at all.😢
I just wanted to say what a BRILLIANT and CREATIVE way to introduce the Gospel of Jesus Christ to people 😉🙏🏾...and not bad watch review BTW.😉
Thanks for the video. From my perspective Ginault loses against NTH watches big time. SW 200 vs. Miyota 9 not that big difference for me for such price difference. Just my opinion....
The case and overall finishing of the Ginault is much better than the NTH, a different level altogether
@@PeterKotsa, thanks for your explanation.
@@ahojnazdar3656 cheers
Trust me mate, NTH does not come close to Ginault. Ginault does everything on a different level, its got a better case finish, better bracelet, better dial finish, better hands, and indices finish, better bezel turning feedback (basically Sub level) The whole watch just feels like luxury when you hold in in the steel. NTH selling at $750 a pop, why not spend a $250 more and get a Ginault that feel like a $10K watch.
@@danboyce1201 yeah the Ginault is manufactured on a completely different level and finishing, you cannot compare the two really
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Ginault is just a Rolex homage brand. So compare with a San Martin or Chronos Rolex homage with a SW200 inside. Try to convince me, that this Ginault is worth three times the price of a San Martin. I am sure the San Martin is of equal quality compared to a Ginault. So why pay 3 times as much? This watch is assembled in the USA, not made in the USA. Most parts are made in China, the movement is Swiss. By the way + 7 sec/day is not well regulated ! Even my PT5000 is far, far more accurate.
I have a few Steinharts, Squale, San Martins, been there done that, Ginault is a few leagues above those. I am not alone on this, you can research up on this.
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@@peacelove4994 I am not convinced at all. The unbranded clasp comes straight from a Chinese Clone factory. Show me the comparison between a San Martin sub homage and a Ginault homage and show me the HUGE difference......there isn't...!
@@renebenseI have read lots of people trying to save a a buck buying the ebay or TB unbranded oyster bracelets only to be disappointed 😞, and ended up buying the Ginault bracelet again. There is a whole thread of many people with that same experience on WUS, you can search for it. But hey if you like your SM and think those are good enough, then I am happy for ya too!
@@peacelove4994 There are Chinese unbranded Oyster bracelets and clasps and there are far more expensive bracelets and clasps coming from China. San Martin homages are more like $400 to $500 now, with a SW200 inside. They use the very best parts that are made in China. The latest iterations of San Martin watches are getting more expensive and better and better. I was talking about those watches, not cheap clone parts from China.
@@renebense I don't doubt in China there are many different level of factories making different levels of these oyster bracelets. I have no doubt SM make good watches for the price. Like I said I owe a few myself (I am a fan of Jody)I was just trying to show you a whole new level of good 😊 I was once in your spot and I handled the Ginault, totally blows the other Sub homages out of the water but like I said if you are perfectly happy where you are, I am also happy for ya!
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It's a nice story, but most Bible historians agree that the verses in John 8 that write about this were not in the original writings. It's possible that this occurred, but it's not part of the original canon. Whatever the case, Ginault has a reputation that they need to deal with. I think the watch is great, in itself. But I'm for cheap homages, not pricier ones. Otherwise, I'd pay money for a well finished original design...
Nice review, im looking at this and im looking at my kamasu and thinking no. I'd have to put another 300 euro tax on top to bring it from america to ireland , doesnt stack up at all. If i was in the market for something like this it would be steinhart all day long.
Trust me Steinny's cannot compare to the level of Ginault, paper spec isn't everything. Paper spec do not tell you about the details of the indices, hands, rehault depth, case finish, bezel turning action, tactile feedback all that. Ginault is honestly at the level of a Rolex Sub or a Tudor BB58, speaking from experience.
@@danboyce1201 im sure your right, ive never seen one up close so cant comment, in any case its academic for me as its above my pay grade especially when you add the import duties . Im a great believer in the law of diminishing returns , i cant honestly knock my kamasu for specs, finish, accuracy but i appreciate what you are saying, if i handled a ginault i would probably be blown away .
The kamasu is a lovely watch but yeah u would be blown away by a ginault. For example I have a promaster and a CW c60 and I love the Promaster to bits but the finishing in the CW is levels higher. If u ever wanted a step up from the kamasu that's what I would recommend, a used mk3 CW c60. S decent step up for reasonable money. Plus CW is uk
What you say at the start is a myth, everyone threw the stone at her! (rumors say some to Jesus too...)😋😂
I'd get this though over any Sub, any time, as i hate the mercedes hour hands, plus i could get this any time! 😉
Be well mate, cheers.
Go, and Sinn no more. Well, I intend to Sinn a lot more 😂
The intro just 🤯🤯🤯
It says Chronometer on the dial and runs at +8 seconds per day that’s enough to turn me off. Nice looking watch otherwise.
True, but isn't COSC -4 to +7 range?
@@peacelove4994 -4 +6
Good looking watches, but still over priced
John 14:6
Nice one George 🙏
Nice watch. This company has no physical address. He, she or it has never defended the claims... No thanks...
If he reveals his identity he will be off to prison. Postal fraud, tax fraud, copyright fraud, contract fraud. Oh and don’t tell anyone but he is actually Tsung Chi, professional fraudster 🤫
these cost around $1200-$1300 USD, to be honest, they are basically a Chinese sub replica cost $500 with another logo on it.
I don't know what I think about this.. It is a bit too much of both Rolex and Omega.
You can get a sub at retail just need to know who to talk to.
Give me some names 😊😂
lol, there's a mermaid selling them at the end of the rainbow
@@rickhammel9541 I know someone been offered sub explorer and op in last six months. Only has one purchase with the AD. Of a OP…
Doesn't like watch cause homage, literally all the microbrands he raves about are homages.
You kept banging on about a shady past without any proof to back it up. Perhaps you should be reminded that in law you are innocent unless proven guilty.
Very true 👍
That said, from the research I have done there seems to be a smoking gun. However for legal reasons I’m not allowed to mention, so I didn’t 😇
@@PeterKotsaI think that if you delved into the history of most businesses and corporations that you would most likely find more shady practices. From my experience there is no such thing as "Saints" in the business community and that extends to the Saint makers themselves.
I appreciate your videos and reviews on watches and think you should have perhaps focused more on the watch rather than tarnish the brand with alleged malpractice based on hearsay and rumours.
Perhaps you may like to review a watch from a company who manages to tick all the ethical boxes, for those who sleep easily at night knowing their hard earned has gone to a reputable cause?
Once again, I think your watch reviews are first rate 👍
@@Mungo-Man Totally agree Timbo..I have seen many major reputable brands in very questionable practices..totally kept away from the general public.
I suppose its the society we live in
Thanks for sharing bro 🙏
@@PeterKotsa Keep up the great work Peter. Love your recent purchase ❤️ you have a much more understanding wife than me 😔 My budget doesn't extend to purchasing a high end time piece but thus Ginault is looking like setting sail to my door step 🙂👍
Former fake Rolex company. No thanks.
I'm not a religious man Pete, however, your bible analogy was, at best, cringe worthy.
'Who I am to cast the first stone?" you say, while glossing over the reality of Ginault's controversy, downplaying their obvious lies and then pocketing a free watch for yourself.
I think it's fair to give Ginault a fair rub and to judge their watches on the merits, that said, it's also fair to represent the evidence available transparently, and let's be frank here:- the evidence isn't "open to interpretation" or trivial, and there is definitely more than simple "circumstances" to what has been made available online.
If Ginault want to be taken seriously they need to demonstrate some candor and there is plenty of reason to assume that they have not been honest. That info is within the interest of any prospective Ginault customer, to gloss over it like you have in this video is doing your fans a disservice.
Hey BoboBloxham, it was not my intention to gloss over any lies, the dilemma I face is the same as any prospective Ginault customer, I did my research, dug as deep as I possibly could and was confronted with dead ends.
As you said, if Ginault want to be taken seriously they need to demonstrate candor, however I did not experience that.
So I myself am left not knowing the 'truth'.
I would’ve loved to present the evidence transparently, but thats where the problem is, I hit so many dead ends, found nothing concrete so I did not want to be a hypocritical finger pointer without anything substantial.
Thats why I made mention at the beginning, if someone makes a mistake there's room for forgiveness.
But what if you don't know what the 'truth' is, where does one stand?..thats where I find myself..not knowing the truth, nothing concrete.
At the end of the day, its the responsibility of potential buyers to do their own research and draw their own conclusions
Thanks for sharing btw
cheers
Just another overpriced homage to the Rolex, not worth it in any case.
How is this a homage to Rolex? Do you consider all your watches with a oyster style bracelet a homage to Rolex? 😂
@@peacelove4994 when I see it from distance, I see Rolex Submariner. I wouldn't touch it with a stick for that price, mainly because market is flooded with nice microbrands that have they unique style with vintage looks.
@@mrki412 my wife thinks my Omega, my Sinn, my Tudors and my Sub all look the same. You ladies have the same eyes for watches, I think her bags all look the same too 😂😆
@@peacelove4994 You are right on that point, but I see difference between Omega, Rolex and Sinn, but Ginault probably has same font as Rolex, I just want to say that I don't like similar watches with different logo and If I would buy it, it would be something cheaper as San Martin.
@@mrki412 wow you can tell the fonts from a distance? 😲 That's really amazing eye sight you got funny how you cannot tell the Silent Service apart from a Rolex with such amazing sight because there are so many obvious difference in design besides the bracelet in the Silent Service.
San Martin is cheaper but definitely not on the same level of quality as the Ginault, in this case you really do pay more for higher quality
Rebadged Replica ... High Quality Rubbish.
With rubbish movement😊
I'd prefer a video without some sneaky attempt to expose us to Christian messaging.
No sneakiness intended
I am a Christian and do not hide that fact, but as for sneakiness, no that's not in my nature, I am upfront and this was an example that resonates with me, so I thought it would be appropriate
cheers
Just another homage but at a crazy price, better homages value can be found elsewhere.
The religious morality lesson was a bit condescending.
Not true, Ginault is the king of Sub homage. Speaking from actual hand-on experience.
@@danboyce1201 when it comes to design and art that has to be subjective opinion. There is no definitive answer, some prefer their homages to be not similar to the originals some like it more similar its subjective.
Mate, a little preachy with that opening. I hope you continue to focus on watches and not add religion to the review because if you are religious you definitely don't want to hear my views on the mumbo jumbo.