Im brand new to owning a fire arm, can you put this ammo in a Taurus g3? I'm having so much trouble finding ammo, especially cost effective to practice with.
Sir, that was some awesome shooting with your Nagant 1895. I own several of these Nagants and have shot them, mostly single-action, from 15-feet away, which covers most self-defense distances for a handgun. My shooting comes nowhere close to your skilled hands. I have an abundance of "surplus" Nagant ammo that I shoot and will try some of the Prvi Partizan ammo you use to test for any difference in group and power. Use mine for home defense applications because the round is mild and recoil very light, which makes it a favorite shooter of the Boss, my better half. Thanks so much for this video, that shooting you did from the 50, using that old Nagant 1895, was unbelievable! Great shooting sir!
Thanks, the video was from a few years back when my eyesight was better, I dont think I could do as well today. I've not yet come across any surplus Nagant ammo, I would certainly like to test some out sometime. Thanks for the comment and sorry for taking so long to respond.
Hello, iam from greece, i have 1 of this who killed my grand grad father, but the most of the parts are missing, i want to dissably the gun and measure the parts with fotos so i can make them on hand, would you help me sir? Thank you anyway
Two of fifty split on the original firing. Reloads with the remaining 48 were of the gas seal configuration. The cases were annealed prior to reloading and were given a much less sever crimp and did not split.
the ppu is very inaccurate in my nagant. the milsurp stuff is right on and packs a little punch. i wish someone would figure out a proper loading for the nagant
With the PPU how big are groups in your Nagant compared to what I got with mine? This is clearly a low power target load. I've never had an opportunity to shoot any original military ammo in mine, I've never seen any for sale around here.
I recall back on the 90s when I owned one and ammo was unobtainable, substituting .32 S&W long. The cases swelled a bit, but no splits. Accuracy at anything beyond 50 ft. was essentially nonexistent. I am guessing the purpose was nothing more than a badge of rank. I think the Czar would have been better served by continuing with the old .44 S&W Russian, or a modern upgrade thereof. Good video!
I have heard of others using 32 S&W long in these, I expect case life would be limited to just the one shot. I suspect the purpose of pistols in the Czarist and USSR eras was more to preserve the life of the officer carrying them than it was as a tool of war. The later adoption of the blowback 9mm Makarov makes sense for such a purpose.
Cartridge is the 7.62x38R, There really isn't any modern round which can be directly substituted with 100% satisfaction and safety. Some folks shoot .32 S&W in them, but they bulge and can split, I have not tried this myself. Very usable cases for reloading can be made from 32/20 brass by thinning the rim, these fit fine when modified but do not do the "gas seal" feature as they are shorter than the proper round.
I think I had two case mouth splits after firing a box of 50. Considering the radical crimp these are given at the factory that's really not surprising I suppose.
These were stupid cheap in the USA at one point, they were never quite as cheap here. I think they were going for about $180 at the low point but now command quite a bit, I think over $500 now.
Interesting. You might get fresh bullets and primers in the cases, but I don't know how you're going to reproduce that interesting mouth crimp. Perhaps a reloading video is in order? I suspect the muzzle velocity is deliberately being held down to account for the guns possibly not being in the best condition. Also, I vaguely recall that there are other guns (Belgian Piepers?) that can take this ammo in their cylinders but whose original ammo was loaded to a much lower spec. I'll check Cartridges of the World next time I'm near a copy and get back to you on that one.
The extreme crimp PPU uses on these is quite different than the crimp used on the original military load, the military load has a long taper crimp and is easy enough to replicate. As for the low power of this PPU load I don't think it has anything to do with the guns they are to be used in but rather the load is a strictly target load much like a 32 S&W Long Wadcutter which is a weak load intended strictly for target shooting. The Nagant round was quite popular as a target round in special revolvers.
Hello, i want to ask you a favor, if you can of course. My grand grand father was killed by this gun , i have it but the most of the parts are lost, can you dissably this gun and measure the parts with fotos to send me? Like diagram, i will make the on the hand, i know its hard for you to lose your time, but i will be very grateful if you help me. Thank you very much
I'd like to get my hands on some of that Russian surplus ammo. I did get a few boxes of their lead bullet target stuff, and it's really tame. My trigger is no better than yours, for sure.
@@314299 Lord I have probably 2000 rounds of the military stuff. The 77 manufacture 7.62x38R has a 108 grain flat nose bullet. The late 80's stuff has the same regular round nose bullet that is used in the Tokarev round. You will need to use the ejector with the military rounds as they swell tight when fired. Both outshoot the PPU hands down but are corrosive. The corrosiveness is no problem as a quick patch with water down the bore at the end of a shooting session will take care of the salts. Shooting black powder is a hoot also as the barrel is the only thing that gets dirty. Plus the black powder loads seem to have a nice " BOOM" to them and feel really powerful. I also reload for this round. I use virgin PPU brass loaded with either the old Graf's 100 grain wadcutter or a .308 lead 110 grain round nose. I use Unique powder and size with 30 carbine dies and seat the bullet below the case mouth with a .223 remington seating die. Oh and after seating the bullet I crimp the case mouth by tapering it with the 30 carbine taper crimp die so it fits in the bullet forcing cone..................Bob
If the brass is full length then some form of crimp is necessary. The indexing of the cylinder has some play in it and the crimp is necessary for the case to get started in the rear of the barrel. Nowhere near as much crimp is required as is applied by the factory, a modest taper or roll of the case mouth will suffice when reloading the original length PPU brass.
Very neat! Had no idea about the gas seal and such. Thanks for the great content! Cant wait for the next!
The gas seal is a feature of dubious value but is none the less an interesting feature.
Im brand new to owning a fire arm, can you put this ammo in a Taurus g3? I'm having so much trouble finding ammo, especially cost effective to practice with.
No, it's the wrong caliber and wont work in a 9mm like a Taurus G3.
Sir, that was some awesome shooting with your Nagant 1895. I own several of these Nagants and have shot them, mostly single-action, from 15-feet away, which covers most self-defense distances for a handgun. My shooting comes nowhere close to your skilled hands. I have an abundance of "surplus" Nagant ammo that I shoot and will try some of the Prvi Partizan ammo you use to test for any difference in group and power. Use mine for home defense applications because the round is mild and recoil very light, which makes it a favorite shooter of the Boss, my better half. Thanks so much for this video, that shooting you did from the 50, using that old Nagant 1895, was unbelievable! Great shooting sir!
Thanks, the video was from a few years back when my eyesight was better, I dont think I could do as well today. I've not yet come across any surplus Nagant ammo, I would certainly like to test some out sometime. Thanks for the comment and sorry for taking so long to respond.
Hello, iam from greece, i have 1 of this who killed my grand grad father, but the most of the parts are missing, i want to dissably the gun and measure the parts with fotos so i can make them on hand, would you help me sir? Thank you anyway
Those poor case mouths will split in no time. Are you keeping the gas seal feature with the reloads?
Two of fifty split on the original firing. Reloads with the remaining 48 were of the gas seal configuration. The cases were annealed prior to reloading and were given a much less sever crimp and did not split.
Future reloading video??
Very Good and useful video, like always!
Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback!
the ppu is very inaccurate in my nagant. the milsurp stuff is right on and packs a little punch. i wish someone would figure out a proper loading for the nagant
With the PPU how big are groups in your Nagant compared to what I got with mine? This is clearly a low power target load. I've never had an opportunity to shoot any original military ammo in mine, I've never seen any for sale around here.
@@314299 at 20 feet or so i get an 8" group. with milsurp I can get a 4" group.
@@hammerstein5012 Interesting, thanks for the info.
You fire 7 of these rounds and put them in the case? I counted 7 rounds with primer strikes in the box.
I reload, so yes, I put the fired brass back in the box. Why do you ask?
I recall back on the 90s when I owned one and ammo was unobtainable, substituting .32 S&W long. The cases swelled a bit, but no splits. Accuracy at anything beyond 50 ft. was essentially nonexistent. I am guessing the purpose was nothing more than a badge of rank. I think the Czar would have been better served by continuing with the old .44 S&W Russian, or a modern upgrade thereof. Good video!
I have heard of others using 32 S&W long in these, I expect case life would be limited to just the one shot. I suspect the purpose of pistols in the Czarist and USSR eras was more to preserve the life of the officer carrying them than it was as a tool of war. The later adoption of the blowback 9mm Makarov makes sense for such a purpose.
@314299 ....or as we saw in "Enemy at the Gates", the easier way around a firing squad.
I honestly admit i have never seen THIS rev. What cal is it and what can be shot out of it. Any modern stuff?
Never seen one.
Cartridge is the 7.62x38R, There really isn't any modern round which can be directly substituted with 100% satisfaction and safety. Some folks shoot .32 S&W in them, but they bulge and can split, I have not tried this myself. Very usable cases for reloading can be made from 32/20 brass by thinning the rim, these fit fine when modified but do not do the "gas seal" feature as they are shorter than the proper round.
@@314299 thank you for tje info. I can at least compare to THE 32. Strange handgun. Thanks.
Nice! Ever come across a TOZ-36 or TOZ-49 in your travels?
I have not come across either yet.
Interesting video! Makes me think about getting Nagant myself.
What sort of money are they selling for in your area?
A-boat 9 yards, eh? Love the Canadian flavor.
Canadian flavor - is that like bacon?
More like maple syrup washed down with some Labatts.
If you pause at 2:21 you can see a split case mouth near the top of the pile.
I think I had two case mouth splits after firing a box of 50. Considering the radical crimp these are given at the factory that's really not surprising I suppose.
Very Nice Pistol !👍
I'm not familiar with it.
Very interesting.
Thanks for sharing !
They are certainly an interesting historic item.
I'd love one of those Nagants but sadly they can reach 450 bucks for an excellent condition model like yours and my Makarov cost less than half that.
These were stupid cheap in the USA at one point, they were never quite as cheap here. I think they were going for about $180 at the low point but now command quite a bit, I think over $500 now.
Interesting. You might get fresh bullets and primers in the cases, but I don't know how you're going to reproduce that interesting mouth crimp. Perhaps a reloading video is in order?
I suspect the muzzle velocity is deliberately being held down to account for the guns possibly not being in the best condition. Also, I vaguely recall that there are other guns (Belgian Piepers?) that can take this ammo in their cylinders but whose original ammo was loaded to a much lower spec. I'll check Cartridges of the World next time I'm near a copy and get back to you on that one.
The extreme crimp PPU uses on these is quite different than the crimp used on the original military load, the military load has a long taper crimp and is easy enough to replicate.
As for the low power of this PPU load I don't think it has anything to do with the guns they are to be used in but rather the load is a strictly target load much like a 32 S&W Long Wadcutter which is a weak load intended strictly for target shooting. The Nagant round was quite popular as a target round in special revolvers.
Hello, i want to ask you a favor, if you can of course. My grand grand father was killed by this gun , i have it but the most of the parts are lost, can you dissably this gun and measure the parts with fotos to send me? Like diagram, i will make the on the hand, i know its hard for you to lose your time, but i will be very grateful if you help me. Thank you very much
Sorry but no I cannot be do that. It sounds to me like you need blueprints for the Nagant 1895, or at the very least a working example to measure.
"Should stop a horse at 50 steps"
Muzzle velocity no less 300m/sec
That was requirement for Russian army
Not the sort of round that pops to mind as a horse stopper.
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Well
Get true load and try
I am sure it did meet and exceed all requirements 😉
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Try real load 400m/sec
Surplus ammo and fiocchi are supposed to be hotter
@@ragnarragnarsson3128
Must be , because it should go 400m/s
Always something interesting
Thanks David.
I'd like to get my hands on some of that Russian surplus ammo. I did get a few boxes of their lead bullet target stuff, and it's really tame. My trigger is no better than yours, for sure.
This PPU and the Fiocchi loads are the only ones I've ever seen for sale. I would like to try some original military stuff some time.
@@314299 there is some on sale for 199$ for 1092 rounds at classic firearms buy some while you guys can!
@@314299 Lord I have probably 2000 rounds of the military stuff. The 77 manufacture 7.62x38R has a 108 grain flat nose bullet. The late 80's stuff has the same regular round nose bullet that is used in the Tokarev round. You will need to use the ejector with the military rounds as they swell tight when fired. Both outshoot the PPU hands down but are corrosive. The corrosiveness is no problem as a quick patch with water down the bore at the end of a shooting session will take care of the salts. Shooting black powder is a hoot also as the barrel is the only thing that gets dirty. Plus the black powder loads seem to have a nice " BOOM" to them and feel really powerful. I also reload for this round. I use virgin PPU brass loaded with either the old Graf's 100 grain wadcutter or a .308 lead 110 grain round nose. I use Unique powder and size with 30 carbine dies and seat the bullet below the case mouth with a .223 remington seating die. Oh and after seating the bullet I crimp the case mouth by tapering it with the 30 carbine taper crimp die so it fits in the bullet forcing cone..................Bob
Impressive
Thanks.
Nice video, good shooting. Mines about the same, my reloads aren’t much better. Thanks.
There's certainly room to improve on the power output with reloads.
Is it possible to trim the brass proper and put a dab of hot glue in it instead of the funky crimp? 🍟🍔
If the brass is full length then some form of crimp is necessary. The indexing of the cylinder has some play in it and the crimp is necessary for the case to get started in the rear of the barrel. Nowhere near as much crimp is required as is applied by the factory, a modest taper or roll of the case mouth will suffice when reloading the original length PPU brass.
You would have put your man down, that's for sure.
Or at least severely annoyed them.