A small correction: "officer" is a bit out of place here. During the early days of the Soviet Russia, "officer" was considered a term that projected aristocracy and therefore was abolished. Rather, the higher ranks were simply called "commanders". So, this Nagant model was referred to as "komandirsky". The "officer" grade was officially reinstated in 1943 (together with some other changes, most noticeable one being reintroduction of Imperial Russian-like shoulder boards instead of collar patches for rank insignia).
Crazy Archer that is true for the communist Chinese army in its early days as well! Instead of saying officers and soldiers they say the commanders and fighters.
It is not really correct. You can find contemporary (30s and early 40s) documents that use 'officer' interchangeably with 'commander' because of force of habit/tradition. It was obviously frowned upon by more politically correct people at the time but it was in use.
@@CruelDwarf yeah, in the same way "commander" was still in common use later on till the end of the union. right now, in estonia, an previously ocupied ussr area, older people still refer to ranks such as prapor and so on, even though we have used a western system for three decades... habits die hard
@@WinyPouh Yes, this is fairly common knowledge. The joke here was that the NKVD is infamous for killing dissidents, thus "silencing" opposition of the Soviet regime.
@@nikik5567 I have a question for someone more knowledgeable than myself. How come that gas pressure never forces the primer out of the casing? Gas pressure acts on the bullet, propelling it away from the shooter. By the same token, such gas pressure should act on the primer as well, right? Why doesn't it? Why do primers always remain seated after firing? In a rifle, you usually have the bolt face "securing" the primer. In revolvers, we only have the hammer/transfer-bar acting on it. Thank you.
I have a 1940 Tula, $100 at a show over a decade ago. Came with all the extras and a box of ammo, with lead bullets. Box is yellow and has the soviet symbol and CCCP on it. He had two, still pissed I didn't buy both.
@@adamradziwill they used what they had at their disposal - Nagants, Mossins, probably even Mauser pistols. Any weapon is meant to kill, quite a news, isn't it?
I'm curious on how a shooter aim the double action variant M1895. It seems like on 0:59 in this video the hammer obscures the rear notch. Does this mean that it still need to be cocked first before aiming even for the DA variant?
NKVD in that time did not carry functions of secret police, it was ordinary police only (criminal police and public order units). There was separate organization that acted as a secret police, which was called OGPU. The famous GULAG (Main Directorate of Camps) was a part of OGPU and become a division of NKVD after both organizations were merged in 1934.
Interesting. The covert guys took charge, not standard law enforcement. Stands to reason. Russian law enforcement/security history is so confusing. all the joining and splitting and name/acronym changes.
Due to shortage of pre-WWI guns in the movie studio arsenals, revolvers like this (Nagants in general and short versions in particular) are often used as substitutes for old revolvers of Wild West and pre-revolutionary Russia, the most notable example would be 2004 The Rider named Death, 2005 State Councellor and 1975 Smoke and Shorty
@@nikik5567 speaking of Rider named Death, not every movie maker has guts to make a movie where 1905 terrorists would be viewed not as complete villains: in soviet ideology Savinkov was pictured as a villain and individual terrorism practiced by the SR party never got much of focus in cinema; and post 1991 Russia has strong imperial bias so even pre1905 revolutionaries are not appreciated by the mainstream media. So let's be glad that they did what they did and didn't get shut down at all.
@@jonmeray713 I can't check the list of firearms used by soviet movie makers in the 50s, but I bet that there's a lot of 1895 Nagants anyway. Also I recall a pack of Webleys, a 1879 Reichsrevolver, and a nickel plated S&W Russian in 1973 Sannikov's Land.
@@SamuraiAkechi I wouldn't call Savinkov a hero by any stretch of imagination =) He was a writer himself and wrote some brilliant autobiographic books that outright refuse to glorify what he did. This doesn't change the fact that SRs were lumped together with royalists and others (Bolsheviks were superb at this, and completely plastered over the fact that most people they fought were also for reforms and democracy), but Savinkov was a a self-professed dying breed of damned murderer. Anyway, frankly no one thinks about how INSANE was political terrorism in pre-Revolutionary Russia. According to at least one research of statistics archives, in the period of 1908-1910 alone, there was about 20 000 terrorist acts and expropriations, with over 700 government workers killed (from generals to simple postal workers), and over 3000 civilians as collateral. Way more than 9/11. By that time, wide-scale terrorism was going on for decades, including the killing of one emperor (Alexander II) and near-killing of another (Alexander III). And only the killing of Stolypin, the most prominent state minister and the spearheader for new (rather reactionary, but still) reforms, led to a total crackdown. Which didn't help.
"They made more than a million of these things, a ton of them" By my calculations a million Nagants equals ~900 tons. :-) For reference that's about the size of some destroyers at the time. Some data I've seen says they made over 2 million so make two destroyers :-)
Such a interesting little weapon. Being NKVD, it's always a question of did this thing dispatch anyone in a purrge or during the great patriotic war. Or it could have sat in the pocket of a bored custom officers jacket for 20 years somewhere in Mongolia , passed to another customs officer to also sit in his jacket and then sit in a cupboard until it was sold off. I've got a cool NKVD camera (lieca ii copy) and a prototype soviet lens and I wonder about its history.
Oh you have a Zorki? I have one as well without any special markings. It's a really great camera and the stock telescoping lens is great, amazing contrast.
Of course, the good old cliché of an NKVD soldier being either a homicidal maniac or a pen-pusher. NKVD troops were border guards - my grandma's first husband died in Ukraine in the first week of the war, doing his duty. When wondering about history, please try and learn it.
@@leshatcatski5089 while it is certainly a stereotype it does exist for a reason. The NKVD were largely responsible for carrying out the horrific purges at the behest of Stalin and his government. While the NKVD did perform other duties the blood of millions drips from their name like water from a faucet. There is no need to share the fact that normal men served bravely or did not carry out horrific murders at the behest of an egotistical mad man as doing so suggests the idea of the NKVD carrying out such atrocities is a 'misconception' or that it wasn't as widespread as it was. In Katyn forest alone 22k polish police and military prisoners were executed by the NKVD and buried in mass graves. I'm sure your grandfather was 'one of the good ones' but by no means does his life invalidate the view of the NKVD as thugs, murderers and bland paper pushers.
I saw a dozen of such short "Commanders" Nagants as service handgun of factory security guards in the 80-90s in USSR/Russia. They were armed -like- -after- -a- -raid- -on- -a- -museum- , so to speak, very eclectically - Nagants (pair in .22LR, 1926 training model), few TTs, assorted shotguns 32-12 ga (include Berdan №2 conversions to weird 22ga) and venerable Tula S&W №3.
This is not historically correct, I am afraid. 'Cosmopolitan', 'Kulak', 'Spy' are the appropriate recipients for the attentions of the NKVD. 'Dissident' belongs to more civilized times, when they were dealt with by the tender mercies of the KGB and Psychiatric Hospitals.
Both this and any SS Pistols make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up because of the direct association with the killers of a murderous despotic regime
I am enjoying the current series of random surplus firearms here during the pandemic. You are fortunate to have the reputation and connections to get access to these pieces.
Cool stuff, Ian!! Ian (Coincidentally enough!!) from Texas here, I actually just bought my first gun recently... And you won’t believe this, but I got a 1941-dated Russian 1895 Nagant Revolver for my first gun...!! Never thought I’d see this gem lying around in a local gun shop...! Now, just have to find some ammo for it! Much love and many cheers from Denton, Texas!! ❤️🤘😁🤘❤️
Last time I was this early to a video, Germany was upholding the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Great work Forgotten Weapons! This is a neat piece I knew nothing about
Thank so much for this vidéo ! So I just realise that old revolver we receive from a gran-father was a local "underground siamese" copy of a Nagant ! I was looking for old Lebel or Spanish 8 mm without understanding why this model looked so weird ! Now I can ask my son the visit an gun dealer next time going to town? I would love to be sure our model is still usable and probably adapted to .32. (Usually we deal more with US munitions, around here). That would be fun !
Very interesting. I have a 1914 model of the Nagant Revolver in mint/unissued condition. I purchased it for $99.00 on classic firearms. It really is nice to have a little piece of history.
Ironically, Mosin-Nagant rifle as it's called in the West is mostly Mosin, very tenuously Nagant (see appropriate C&Rsenal video or FW video). Nagant revolvers though, are pure brothers Nagant. It was their main product.
The NKVD, this primarily, state security, border service and many others Main Departments and including GULAG. GULAG = WPA (Works Progress Administration) in USA in the same thirties.
I've read that tankers who were issued the Nagant in WW2 (it was useful for shooting through the pistol ports in the side of the turrent) frequently used sticks or the pistol's cleaning rod for just this function.
The compact versions of Nagant revolvers were produced in small numbers from 20th until 1932 mostly for high ranking Red Army commanders.The shown revolver was manufactured in 1929: NKVD was founded in 1934. No doubts that NKVD employees could use such revolvers left from the earlier production, but they also used many other models of various firearms. The silenced versions, which were actually developed in NKVD and other institutions, were based on full size Nagants and on other firearms
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine May be, but note - the situation with firearms in Russia was never like that in USA. Even in NKVD they had no a great choice of guns, didn't think about that too much and used what they were given. So not gun owners, bur state employed gun designers decided what oficers should have in their shoulder holsters. The most notable state employed specialists, who developed sound surpressors in Russia were Mitin brothers and Gurevich. All of them started their experiments with Nagant revolvers /full size/ and ordinary, classic sound surpressons, however very soon they developed their designs much farther then that. Mitin brothers stàrted to make silensers of their design for Mosin Nagant rifles only. Gurevich begun to experiment with guns sealed cartridges and soon started to produce original silensed revolvers and ammo of his own design.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Ian had lost his chance to come to Russia, when he was visiting Finland and was in some 4 hours drive from Sanct Petersburg.The Artillery museum in Sanct Petersburg /Russia/ has the biggest in Europe and the second in the world collection of firearms /in terms of number of items/...
They do bulge slightly but none have split so far. I think I have to say that even though my pistol was made in 1941 It is an Arsenal refurbishment so the condition is excellent.
The Main spring under the wood panels looks different. The angle between the two legs of the spring, on the NKVD one seems to be smaller. By the way, I have 3 Nagant revolvers with a funny story. I ordered one and they sent two. I called them and they said to open both, see which one I prefer and ship, at their expense the other back. I opened them and found out they were made in 1927 and 1929 the birth years of my mother and father. So I kept them both. My son did not want to shoot them and went out and bought one just to shoot. So now I have 3. LOL
I love the decision tangent they had after accuracy testing this thing against the full-sized. "This thing isn't accurate enough." ... "Well, then let's stay with the full-size for general use." ... "Nah, let's look into semi-autos." ... "Well, that was out of left field..."
With the Nagant gas-seal system the cylinder can never get out of time like with most revolvers. The swivel ejector was first used on the French Perrin revolver, then picked up by Webley.
I have a 1928 standard model with the older markings, and it looks like they just cut it down, to say the least I love it and I want one. Why must it be so expensive
One must notice, that NKVD stands for "People Comissariate for Inner Affairs", and that also included law enforcers (police officers, prison guards, etc)
As somebody who has dedicated a large portion of their life to studying Russian and the Soviet Union for a long while In former soviet countries, I visibly shuddered every time you said NKVD. Keep up the good work 👍
I had no idea, and I feel stupid for not knowing. Of course it makes sence. I remember as a kid (when soviet athletes wore the letters) I tried to figure out what "CCCP" stood for, but it didn't occur to me that the letters were Cyrillic. Thank you for pointing it out.
In addition to suppressor use, a sealed cylinder gap on average between lots of calibers will increase velocity by about 5% over a cylinder gap. Might sound like a lot but really you're looking at 1,000 FPS VS 950 FPS, sort of negligible when you consider a couple tenths of a grain of powder more in the cartridge and you're back to non gap velocity.
Unlike most revolvers, if the muzzle was pressed against the target it was pretty quiet. I don't think that I have ever heard of a WWII or earlier Soviet suppressed weapon.
Револьвер был у наружного наблюдения, у полиции, у агентуры. У офицеров другие привычки, им подавай маузер, тогда он был очень престижным, даже могли по ложному обвинению посадить награждённого ветерана чтобы заполучить маузер для себя. В одном таком случае ветеран смог хитрым манёвром проникнуть к специальному телефону и поговорить с министром обороны, его наказание отменили, но пистолет не вернули.
NKVD was a very huge organisation, including archives, ZAGS (civil registration agencies), militia, firefighters etc. The department inside NKVD for state secret police was GUGB (ГУГБ -Главное Управление Государственной Безопасности) - Central or Main Directorate of State Security. In the beginning of 1941 it was separated from NVKD and formed a new entity NKGB (НКГБ -Народный Комиссариат Государственной Безопасности) People's Comissariate of State Security.
I wonder how many realatives of mine were shot dead with these during soviet occupation... I may never know because one side of the family never talks about it, but I have found family names on known persecuted and exiled people list...
Russian Saturday night special bit it goes bang when you pull the trigger. I don’t know about the officers model but I carried one of the standard models as my concealed carry for nearly a year. That double action is a heck of a finger exercise.
This NKVD Nagant has swapped front iron sight, it has early round imperial type, when it should have sharp soviet like on large version. With round early round imperial type you won’t be able to use original BraMit suppressor, which NKVD used alot.
1:45 I think You are wrong about this one. It does have a practical effect. It can be suppressed and for a revolver it is a very unique feature. Just a bit of work with a milling machine.
Very cool and coincidental. I'm reading a fictional detective novel where the main Character carries one of these Baby Nagants. Very cool to get a good look at it.
Just a fun fact: NKVD stands for Narodniy Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del. If you translate it to English, it will be People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs. This was kinda like police in Soviet Russia untill 1943. In 1946 it was reformed and renamed to MVD (Ministerstvo vnutrennikh del - Ministry of Internal Affairs)
Laugh all you want but a short grip revolver is super handy as the grip is always the hardest thing to conceal. I carry a 6inc 686-6 with the old school minimum grip panels and nobody has ever noticed, I hate giant granny grips on guns 😂
@@slavsya The whole world is not US and Russia, my dear drone. But yeah, Russia should know something about civil unrest, being borderline 3rd world country owned by few people.
I managed to find the standard Nagant for a pretty good price but only regard it as a novelty. My biggest gripe with the gun is the trigger pull which, in double action mode, has the trigger working at a mechanical disadvantage to cause the cylinder to move forward to create the gas seal. The result is that, in single-action mode the trigger pull is worse than my Manurhin in double action and, in double action mode, would be a challenge to King Kong.
I live in Estonia (this is relavent, i promise). When i was at my grandparent's place a few days ago, some rando-village-drunk told me a story, that he and his friends found an old Nagant from one of the friend's attic and went to play with it. Becouse Soviet Union, this was early 1960. Little did they know that it was loaded, cocked and ready to fire, so they somehow shot a cow, by accident and had to pay the Soviet farm officials a fine 500 rubles, for it to be forgotten. The man then laughed and said he just had to sell the gun to make the money and a bit more.
A small correction: "officer" is a bit out of place here.
During the early days of the Soviet Russia, "officer" was considered a term that projected aristocracy and therefore was abolished. Rather, the higher ranks were simply called "commanders".
So, this Nagant model was referred to as "komandirsky".
The "officer" grade was officially reinstated in 1943 (together with some other changes, most noticeable one being reintroduction of Imperial Russian-like shoulder boards instead of collar patches for rank insignia).
Crazy Archer that is true for the communist Chinese army in its early days as well! Instead of saying officers and soldiers they say the commanders and fighters.
It is not really correct. You can find contemporary (30s and early 40s) documents that use 'officer' interchangeably with 'commander' because of force of habit/tradition. It was obviously frowned upon by more politically correct people at the time but it was in use.
WORD BAD, WORD GOOD!
DOUBLEBAD, DOUBLEGOOD, IN FACT!
I will get the nails for the shoulder boards.
@@CruelDwarf yeah, in the same way "commander" was still in common use later on till the end of the union.
right now, in estonia, an previously ocupied ussr area, older people still refer to ranks such as prapor and so on, even though we have used a western system for three decades... habits die hard
In the NKVD, you don't silence the Nagant. The Nagant silences you.
@@WinyPouh Yes, this is fairly common knowledge. The joke here was that the NKVD is infamous for killing dissidents, thus "silencing" opposition of the Soviet regime.
@@Tunkkis any proof? Or it just stupid propaganda.
@@drdnout go on tell us what other genocide didn´t happen.
@@drdnout how many army officers were killed in the purges of the 1930s? Just to start.
@@ScottKenny1978 not many, events of 1941 will show that not enough.(bastards like Vlasov, Bandera, Shukhevich, etc)
"Lot of effort into something that doesn't have all that much effect."
The history of firearms development, right there.
Yeah, honestly I’m pretty sure u can count the number of meaningful innovations for firearms on ur hands.
I was expecting a firestorm of arguments about that here- a lot of people seem to think it was far more effective than Ian does.
It allowed the use of suppressor. So not completely useless. It wasn't originally designed for that purpose, though.
@@Melkyptirs the gas seal was an accidental success.
@@nikik5567 I have a question for someone more knowledgeable than myself.
How come that gas pressure never forces the primer out of the casing?
Gas pressure acts on the bullet, propelling it away from the shooter. By the same token, such gas pressure should act on the primer as well, right? Why doesn't it? Why do primers always remain seated after firing?
In a rifle, you usually have the bolt face "securing" the primer. In revolvers, we only have the hammer/transfer-bar acting on it.
Thank you.
I have a 1940 Tula, $100 at a show over a decade ago. Came with all the extras and a box of ammo, with lead bullets. Box is yellow and has the soviet symbol and CCCP on it. He had two, still pissed I didn't buy both.
@@adamradziwill Please take your politics somewhere else.
@@adamradziwill butthurting belorussian migrant detected.
@@adamradziwill they used what they had at their disposal - Nagants, Mossins, probably even Mauser pistols. Any weapon is meant to kill, quite a news, isn't it?
@@adamradziwill I think everyone got what you want to say. No need to repeat it so much
I'm curious on how a shooter aim the double action variant M1895. It seems like on 0:59 in this video the hammer obscures the rear notch. Does this mean that it still need to be cocked first before aiming even for the DA variant?
"very difficult to hit stuff at 50 meters...". The NKVD only had to hit at two inches.
@@adamradziwill butthurting belorussian migrant detected.
As Stalin said: there are no Soviet prisoners of war, only traitors
How about Noviks? Was he Latvian or Belarusian NKVD officers? Or Vitebsk, where he was born, is a Moscow district in your history book?
@@wraithwyvern528 proofs? Who said that Stalin said that?
@@QuantumMechanic_88 proofs please. When and whoo said that Beria said that?
NKVD in that time did not carry functions of secret police, it was ordinary police only (criminal police and public order units). There was separate organization that acted as a secret police, which was called OGPU. The famous GULAG (Main Directorate of Camps) was a part of OGPU and become a division of NKVD after both organizations were merged in 1934.
Interesting. The covert guys took charge, not standard law enforcement. Stands to reason. Russian law enforcement/security history is so confusing. all the joining and splitting and name/acronym changes.
Big brain time!
Blochin from NKVD is a Hero!
Sergey Kuznetsov: Than was CK earlier than OGPU?
@@finrodfelagund1052 General Vasily Blohin?? Yes he was arguably a recordist.
What should we replace all our old revolvers with?
Armorer: "...slightly smaller revolvers?" **Turns to dust**
Templar: "He chose... poorly."
Due to shortage of pre-WWI guns in the movie studio arsenals, revolvers like this (Nagants in general and short versions in particular) are often used as substitutes for old revolvers of Wild West and pre-revolutionary Russia, the most notable example would be 2004 The Rider named Death, 2005 State Councellor and 1975 Smoke and Shorty
Any movie made in the 2000s has no excuse
All shit tier movies. Even in the 50s that never happened
@@nikik5567 speaking of Rider named Death, not every movie maker has guts to make a movie where 1905 terrorists would be viewed not as complete villains: in soviet ideology Savinkov was pictured as a villain and individual terrorism practiced by the SR party never got much of focus in cinema; and post 1991 Russia has strong imperial bias so even pre1905 revolutionaries are not appreciated by the mainstream media. So let's be glad that they did what they did and didn't get shut down at all.
@@jonmeray713 I can't check the list of firearms used by soviet movie makers in the 50s, but I bet that there's a lot of 1895 Nagants anyway. Also I recall a pack of Webleys, a 1879 Reichsrevolver, and a nickel plated S&W Russian in 1973 Sannikov's Land.
@@SamuraiAkechi I wouldn't call Savinkov a hero by any stretch of imagination =) He was a writer himself and wrote some brilliant autobiographic books that outright refuse to glorify what he did. This doesn't change the fact that SRs were lumped together with royalists and others (Bolsheviks were superb at this, and completely plastered over the fact that most people they fought were also for reforms and democracy), but Savinkov was a a self-professed dying breed of damned murderer.
Anyway, frankly no one thinks about how INSANE was political terrorism in pre-Revolutionary Russia. According to at least one research of statistics archives, in the period of 1908-1910 alone, there was about 20 000 terrorist acts and expropriations, with over 700 government workers killed (from generals to simple postal workers), and over 3000 civilians as collateral. Way more than 9/11. By that time, wide-scale terrorism was going on for decades, including the killing of one emperor (Alexander II) and near-killing of another (Alexander III). And only the killing of Stolypin, the most prominent state minister and the spearheader for new (rather reactionary, but still) reforms, led to a total crackdown. Which didn't help.
"They made more than a million of these things, a ton of them"
By my calculations a million Nagants equals ~900 tons. :-) For reference that's about the size of some destroyers at the time.
Some data I've seen says they made over 2 million so make two destroyers :-)
*[insert joke about the Russian Navy here]*
So the question then is: can a million guys with Nagants sink a destroyer, assuming it's no more than 25 meters away?
@@Zer0SumGame So just... *[Insert Russian Navy]*
@@alltat A WW2 destroyer has almost no armour, less than 1 inch typically, but that's still more than what a Nagant revolver can punch through.
@@alltat Sure, easily!
Just throw them all on board, it would be pretty surprising if a ship can handle double its deplacement.
Imagine the stories an NKVD pistol could tell
You don't want to, believe me.
Yeh, the bodies, forced confessions and unmarked graves
I’d rather not
If it told you it would have to kill you.
So many polish officers murdered with it.
Such a interesting little weapon. Being NKVD, it's always a question of did this thing dispatch anyone in a purrge or during the great patriotic war. Or it could have sat in the pocket of a bored custom officers jacket for 20 years somewhere in Mongolia , passed to another customs officer to also sit in his jacket and then sit in a cupboard until it was sold off. I've got a cool NKVD camera (lieca ii copy) and a prototype soviet lens and I wonder about its history.
Oh you have a Zorki? I have one as well without any special markings. It's a really great camera and the stock telescoping lens is great, amazing contrast.
Of course, the good old cliché of an NKVD soldier being either a homicidal maniac or a pen-pusher. NKVD troops were border guards - my grandma's first husband died in Ukraine in the first week of the war, doing his duty.
When wondering about history, please try and learn it.
@@leshatcatski5089 while it is certainly a stereotype it does exist for a reason. The NKVD were largely responsible for carrying out the horrific purges at the behest of Stalin and his government. While the NKVD did perform other duties the blood of millions drips from their name like water from a faucet.
There is no need to share the fact that normal men served bravely or did not carry out horrific murders at the behest of an egotistical mad man as doing so suggests the idea of the NKVD carrying out such atrocities is a 'misconception' or that it wasn't as widespread as it was. In Katyn forest alone 22k polish police and military prisoners were executed by the NKVD and buried in mass graves.
I'm sure your grandfather was 'one of the good ones' but by no means does his life invalidate the view of the NKVD as thugs, murderers and bland paper pushers.
@@manatee9595 Yeah just like Police force every where. NKVD are police, so they got issued police gun. They also did Police shooting etc.
@@yulusleonard985 Think there's a bit of a gulf between the amount of crimes against humanity done by standard police and that done by the NKVD
Thanks a lot! Your the greatest guy ever for RU-EN military interpreter and translator to learn the technicalities.
I saw a dozen of such short "Commanders" Nagants as service handgun of factory security guards in the 80-90s in USSR/Russia. They were armed -like- -after- -a- -raid- -on- -a- -museum- , so to speak, very eclectically - Nagants (pair in .22LR, 1926 training model), few TTs, assorted shotguns 32-12 ga (include Berdan №2 conversions to weird 22ga) and venerable Tula S&W №3.
You will notice it has an excellent dissident removal feature.
This is not historically correct, I am afraid. 'Cosmopolitan', 'Kulak', 'Spy' are the appropriate recipients for the attentions of the NKVD. 'Dissident' belongs to more civilized times, when they were dealt with by the tender mercies of the KGB and Psychiatric Hospitals.
Stukach Slayer
Both this and any SS Pistols make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up because of the direct association with the killers of a murderous despotic regime
It also includes a conscript motivation device for when those MG42s just have too much ammo for you to assault them yourself.
Last time I was this early, tsar family was alive
I am simple man,
I see Ian
I see cool gun
I CLICK!
0:23
"It's an older video sir, but it checks out"
I am enjoying the current series of random surplus firearms here during the pandemic. You are fortunate to have the reputation and connections to get access to these pieces.
I was getting bored, thx for the upload Ian
Shutup!
@@dewaldsteyn1306 and your problem is?
@@whatTheFup I think that might be a bot, why do I think so? IDK, that wanna be friends stuff still freaks me out.
@@MyPS4IsOnFirePleaseHelp true...
The Front strap is what really sold me on this pistol!
it has a crit bonus when you point it at someone's backhead from 2 inches away
"C C C P for soviet union" sounds so sick for russian ears)))
Es Es Es Er. He should have just gone for the "USSR in Cyrillic"
CCCP or SSSR: Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik.
“‘Kah Kah Kah Pah’ for Soviet Union”.
That’s my version, and I’m sticking to it! 🤣😂😁
I like how he still hasnt realised that the CCCP abrevation is in cyrillic
@@cianakril Or, for most Gringos, "ess, ess, ess, air." Or something close, since the letter э doesn't have a real Gringo/English equivalent.
@@3of11 yeah that Pee Pee Ass Eiche gets me every time
sssr just sounds goofy though.
@Мармеладов ТВ * "aue"
@@pineapplesalad6494 Goofy, but the proper way.
Watching you presenting these guns just makes me happy. You helped me today - thank you Ian! (and possibly your team? Idk)
God bless you!
Cool stuff, Ian!!
Ian (Coincidentally enough!!) from Texas here, I actually just bought my first gun recently... And you won’t believe this, but I got a 1941-dated Russian 1895 Nagant Revolver for my first gun...!! Never thought I’d see this gem lying around in a local gun shop...! Now, just have to find some ammo for it!
Much love and many cheers from Denton, Texas!!
❤️🤘😁🤘❤️
Dude, that's like someone buying a vintage Skoda as their first car.
I've heard of most of the guns seen on this channel, even if only vaguely. This one is completely new to me, and I love Soviet firearms! Great video
There are some interesting choices of words in this video.
I knew nothing about this weapon. Thank you Ian
I saw a photo of a Soviet tankist with one of these. I remember wondering what it was. Now I know. Thanks Ian!
Very Cool Officers Model Nagant Revolver. Thanks for showing this revolver, Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:28 the entire concept of suppressors would like a word
didn't know the Nagant Revolver had also a "Glock 19ish" variant! Thanks Ian :)
Prototype for what's to come.
I actually did a review of the full size revolver during my schooling for gunsmithing. Very nice shooter's.
Last time I was this early to a video, Germany was upholding the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Great work Forgotten Weapons! This is a neat piece I knew nothing about
Molotov
The signature is from Stalin. commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact_showing_the_new_German-Soviet_border_Sept_28_1939.png
Smol brain. I fix
@Paul Alexander Ass of stone, actually :)
"I didn't think he was a better man than me. Besides, I have executed better men than me with a small pistol." -Yevgrav in Doctor Zhivago
Thank you , Ian .
Товарищ Ян Макколлум
Ahahaha, Comrad Ian McCollum, nice! xD
I'm pretty sure "Иян" would be the correct way of writing his name in Russian, going by the pronunciation.
@@mikeoxlong1395 Иэн, not Иян
@@yobasomaliev Иван, not Иэн.
Иван Коллумович
NKVD- Putting "Execute" back to "Executive Officer."
Thank so much for this vidéo ! So I just realise that old revolver we receive from a gran-father was a local "underground siamese" copy of a Nagant ! I was looking for old Lebel or Spanish 8 mm without understanding why this model looked so weird !
Now I can ask my son the visit an gun dealer next time going to town? I would love to be sure our model is still usable and probably adapted to .32. (Usually we deal more with US munitions, around here). That would be fun !
In official documentation of 1920's, this version is referred to simply as shortened (укороченный), not commander's and definitely not NKVD.
тем более что эта версия производилась еще в царской России для тайной полиции - большевики просто возобновили выпуск
@@krainiy.praviy.sleva. Так точно. Я видел императорские укороченные 1907 и 1911 годов выпуска.
Very interesting. I have a 1914 model of the Nagant Revolver in mint/unissued condition. I purchased it for $99.00 on classic firearms. It really is nice to have a little piece of history.
The benefit of sealing the brass case against the forcing cone which allowed use of a Bramt device as a sound suppressor.
3:06 It's actually SSSR in cyrillic, but close enough I suppose
I respect Ian for using the metric system
Was just thinking "What should I watch while I make coffee?" And then this slides into my notifications. Thank the lord for Gun Jesus
I love this kinda video, every time I see the word Nagant, I think of a rifle, but it never occurred to me that Nagant would have made pistols too.
Revolvers
@@abdulabdanahib9617 If you want to be bloody technical, then yes, Revolvers.
Ironically, Mosin-Nagant rifle as it's called in the West is mostly Mosin, very tenuously Nagant (see appropriate C&Rsenal video or FW video). Nagant revolvers though, are pure brothers Nagant. It was their main product.
The NKVD, this primarily, state security, border service and many others Main Departments and including GULAG.
GULAG = WPA (Works Progress Administration) in USA in the same thirties.
When I reload my nagant I just use a stick too push out the empty brass lol it's faster
I've read that tankers who were issued the Nagant in WW2 (it was useful for shooting through the pistol ports in the side of the turrent) frequently used sticks or the pistol's cleaning rod for just this function.
Great gun videos,love watching them.
90 years. Think of all the owners, places, and history these guns have witnessed.
The compact versions of Nagant revolvers were produced in small numbers from 20th until 1932 mostly for high ranking Red Army commanders.The shown revolver was manufactured in 1929: NKVD was founded in 1934. No doubts that NKVD employees could use such revolvers left from the earlier production, but they also used many other models of various firearms. The silenced versions, which were actually developed in NKVD and other institutions, were based on full size Nagants and on other firearms
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine May be, but note - the situation with firearms in Russia was never like that in USA. Even in NKVD they had no a great choice of guns, didn't think about that too much and used what they were given. So not gun owners, bur state employed gun designers decided what oficers should have in their shoulder holsters. The most notable state employed specialists, who developed sound surpressors in Russia were Mitin brothers and Gurevich. All of them started their experiments with Nagant revolvers /full size/ and ordinary, classic sound surpressons, however very soon they developed their designs much farther then that. Mitin brothers stàrted to make silensers of their design for Mosin Nagant rifles only. Gurevich begun to experiment with guns sealed cartridges and soon started to produce original silensed revolvers and ammo of his own design.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Ian had lost his chance to come to Russia, when he was visiting Finland and was in some 4 hours drive from Sanct Petersburg.The Artillery museum in Sanct Petersburg /Russia/ has the biggest in Europe and the second in the world collection of firearms /in terms of number of items/...
Love Ian's accent. Like having Teddy Roosevelt telling me about guns. Waiting for him to say "bully for the MP5!"
The accuracy of my nagant substantially improved with .32 s&w long.
Are your cases splitting?
They do bulge slightly but none have split so far. I think I have to say that even though my pistol was made in 1941
It is an Arsenal refurbishment so the condition is excellent.
The Main spring under the wood panels looks different. The angle between the two legs of the spring, on the NKVD one seems to be smaller. By the way, I have 3 Nagant revolvers with a funny story. I ordered one and they sent two. I called them and they said to open both, see which one I prefer and ship, at their expense the other back. I opened them and found out they were made in 1927 and 1929 the birth years of my mother and father. So I kept them both. My son did not want to shoot them and went out and bought one just to shoot. So now I have 3. LOL
I love the decision tangent they had after accuracy testing this thing against the full-sized. "This thing isn't accurate enough." ... "Well, then let's stay with the full-size for general use." ... "Nah, let's look into semi-autos." ... "Well, that was out of left field..."
With the Nagant gas-seal system the cylinder can never get out of time like with most revolvers. The swivel ejector was first used on the French Perrin revolver, then picked up by Webley.
I have a 1928 standard model with the older markings, and it looks like they just cut it down, to say the least I love it and I want one.
Why must it be so expensive
They are not forgotten weapons and you are in this world
One must notice, that NKVD stands for "People Comissariate for Inner Affairs", and that also included law enforcers (police officers, prison guards, etc)
As somebody who has dedicated a large portion of their life to studying Russian and the Soviet Union for a long while In former soviet countries, I visibly shuddered every time you said NKVD. Keep up the good work 👍
It's a shame that the solution to the revolving rifle came so late.
Thanks to RUclips's shenanigans I now go to Forgotten Weapons directly to see all the new videos Ian has put out that they forgot to tell me about.
Still the most iconic NKVD pistol was Mauser
Weren't the "bolos" cut down C96's?
I would love to have that little revolver
Her: Don't be afraid, baby Nagant can't hurt you.
Baby Nagant:
The little revolver that could...
Kill thousands.
@@adamradziwill butthurting belorussian migrant detected.
Minor complaint: "CCCP" is in Cyrillic and pronounced "S-S-S-Er" not "C-C-C-P"
I had no idea, and I feel stupid for not knowing. Of course it makes sence. I remember as a kid (when soviet athletes wore the letters) I tried to figure out what "CCCP" stood for, but it didn't occur to me that the letters were Cyrillic.
Thank you for pointing it out.
In addition to suppressor use, a sealed cylinder gap on average between lots of calibers will increase velocity by about 5% over a cylinder gap. Might sound like a lot but really you're looking at 1,000 FPS VS 950 FPS, sort of negligible when you consider a couple tenths of a grain of powder more in the cartridge and you're back to non gap velocity.
wonder how many brains were blown out with these
Practical effect of sealing cylinder was that this i guess is still THE ONLY revolver actually working with silencer (partially ofc)
Unlike most revolvers, if the muzzle was pressed against the target it was pretty quiet. I don't think that I have ever heard of a WWII or earlier Soviet suppressed weapon.
Actually the gas seal does have an noticeable effect. (not a perfect test but the difference is signifigant) ruclips.net/video/u4MqgIVh9zc/видео.html
The only revolver to kill more enemies of the state than real enemies
I love seeing guns from Hunt Showdown get covered in forgotten weapons. Makes shooting them feel so much more real
Also in Sniper Elite 4!
Револьвер был у наружного наблюдения, у полиции, у агентуры. У офицеров другие привычки, им подавай маузер, тогда он был очень престижным, даже могли по ложному обвинению посадить награждённого ветерана чтобы заполучить маузер для себя. В одном таком случае ветеран смог хитрым манёвром проникнуть к специальному телефону и поговорить с министром обороны, его наказание отменили, но пистолет не вернули.
NKVD was a very huge organisation, including archives, ZAGS (civil registration agencies), militia, firefighters etc. The department inside NKVD for state secret police was GUGB (ГУГБ -Главное Управление Государственной Безопасности) - Central or Main Directorate of State Security. In the beginning of 1941 it was separated from NVKD and formed a new entity NKGB (НКГБ -Народный Комиссариат Государственной Безопасности) People's Comissariate of State Security.
The Nagant has really amazing engineering.
...I'm sure the ranges in the killing cellars of Lubiyanka Prison never exceeded a few inches...nevermind 25 METERS...
I wonder how many realatives of mine were shot dead with these during soviet occupation... I may never know because one side of the family never talks about it, but I have found family names on known persecuted and exiled people list...
Could you please expand on this, were your relatives on the deportation lists?
Russian Saturday night special bit it goes bang when you pull the trigger. I don’t know about the officers model but I carried one of the standard models as my concealed carry for nearly a year. That double action is a heck of a finger exercise.
This NKVD Nagant has swapped front iron sight, it has early round imperial type, when it should have sharp soviet like on large version.
With round early round imperial type you won’t be able to use original BraMit suppressor, which NKVD used alot.
The nagant
The COOLER nagant
Where my Hunt: Showdown peeps at?
*Hunt Showdown humming music plays while equipping the Nagant officer on a hunter*
Was looking for you brother
Feliks Edmundovich Dzerzhinski ( Iron Feliks ) carried 2 of these in a duel sob holster ))
Urrah,
that guy used intestine torture
My imagination has just kicked in re: NKVD as to what functional parameters were of importance with this design.
Still one of the most reliable guns to this day
1:45 I think You are wrong about this one. It does have a practical effect. It can be suppressed and for a revolver it is a very unique feature. Just a bit of work with a milling machine.
I wonder how many people were unmercifully murdered with that gun?
Do u really wanna know? I’d honestly never wanna know that number.
Murder? I think you mean summarily executed without trial. 😉
As said in the video Soviets made literally millions of them. Chances this pistol took part in executions are small.
Love your work Ian keep it up
The camming forward looks so cool. It’s just a shame it didn’t have much benefit!
Very cool and coincidental. I'm reading a fictional detective novel where the main Character carries one of these Baby Nagants. Very cool to get a good look at it.
Which book?
I wish these old guns could talk
7:30 I bet those officers got nervous when the brass decided to hold a trial...
Just a fun fact: NKVD stands for Narodniy Komissariat Vnutrennikh Del. If you translate it to English, it will be People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs. This was kinda like police in Soviet Russia untill 1943. In 1946 it was reformed and renamed to MVD (Ministerstvo vnutrennikh del - Ministry of Internal Affairs)
Laugh all you want but a short grip revolver is super handy as the grip is always the hardest thing to conceal. I carry a 6inc 686-6 with the old school minimum grip panels and nobody has ever noticed, I hate giant granny grips on guns 😂
I didn’t know this pistol has a different variation.
i think that NKVD use double action revolver ... thanks for the truly information.
Ian: _Good enough French pronounciation for the French Ministry of Internal Affairs_
Also Ian: *NaganT*
Uuuh this is such a cool weapon
I had a few roleplay sessions where we played NKVD personel. Cool to see this gun on the chanel
"Roleplay sessions where we played NKVD personnel"
what
@@zelpyzelp a pen and paper role play in which we played as NKVD agents
Imagine suffering this one little pistol caused. Or rather person behind it.
At first I read it like "stuffing". Eh, still legit.
@@piotrgrzelak2613 "democratic regimes"
Cool story, Kolya. How much is rouble worth today?
@@Infernal969 it's doing fine, can't say the same for the US current situation. Civil unrest is a dirty thing.
You have my Russian regards
Probably nothing. Most of NKVD are border guard who check papers. People who issued this pistol usually dont have much ammo allowance.
@@slavsya The whole world is not US and Russia, my dear drone. But yeah, Russia should know something about civil unrest, being borderline 3rd world country owned by few people.
I managed to find the standard Nagant for a pretty good price but only regard it as a novelty. My biggest gripe with the gun is the trigger pull which, in double action mode, has the trigger working at a mechanical disadvantage to cause the cylinder to move forward to create the gas seal. The result is that, in single-action mode the trigger pull is worse than my Manurhin in double action and, in double action mode, would be a challenge to King Kong.
I live in Estonia (this is relavent, i promise). When i was at my grandparent's place a few days ago, some rando-village-drunk told me a story, that he and his friends found an old Nagant from one of the friend's attic and went to play with it. Becouse Soviet Union, this was early 1960. Little did they know that it was loaded, cocked and ready to fire, so they somehow shot a cow, by accident and had to pay the Soviet farm officials a fine 500 rubles, for it to be forgotten. The man then laughed and said he just had to sell the gun to make the money and a bit more.