Shooting .22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2014
- It is not recommended you try this yourself. But if you still insist, please read the precautions below.
We load up some .22 firearms with Crosman .22 pellets and drive them using "powder activated tool" rounds. (calling them guns would cause the masses to soil themselves in horror) These are used to drive nails into concrete or even steel. The lead Crosman pellets are about 14 gr. and fit nicely down the barrel of a .22 rifle or pistol. Snug enough to engage the rifling. This is really a hybrid round using 3 normally incompatible components.
This is just a demonstration on how well this hinkey and potentially dangerous combination works. Although it worked VERY well for us --- your results may vary.
+++SAFETY WARNING+++
I do not want to green-light this idea to you. However, my telling you NOT to try it never stopped anyone from trying something. You need to understand the dangers if you do decide to try it. You are on your own if something bad happens. Don't come back and post how your gun blew up and you lost some fingers.
+++ I believe it is important the pellets are seated IN the barrel rather than the chamber. This is because when the round is fired, the pellet probably will not enter the barrel from the larger chamber smoothly and will likely NOT enter the barrel at all, resulting in a barrel-obstruction. If this happens in a non-blowback style gun, the gun is likely to blow up. +++
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The powder charges were MUCH louder than using standard .22 ammo. If you have a chrono and wish to attempt this, I think we'd all like to know how fast these are capable of going. I'll put a link to your video in this one.
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In Poland firearms are hard to get. Poachers sometimes modify airguns to shoot .22 long rifle or something like this. When police busts someone with such rifle or some rusty WWII relics, they claim that they "uncovered an illegal arsenal of firearms".
1 gun in 100 people in Poland according to the statistics. That is probably as low as it can get.
Don't you just love half-assed hype?
Sound like Polish and Norwegian police have lot in common...
Poland: woke on immigration, not so much on firearms.
@@Tyrfingr 1 in 100? Dang, I have 7 myself
You guys have just developed armor-piercing pellets, you guys rock 😂🤣😂
@@MrSniperdude01 just use a gamo red fire. They're accurate and hit like a truck.
@@MrSniperdude01 I meant for the barrel load. For a cylinder you can use penetrators or round tip diablos. The h&n Hornet will also devastate small game. Honestly though you shouldn't have an problems using normal crossman hollow points. They're round tipped and with peel a raccoons lid back. Both the red fires and the crossman hollows are my go to hunting pellets and I only hunt small game with a .177 pump.
@@MrSniperdude01 I've killed a lot of small game with these, I hit a rabbit at about 600fps with a .177 redfire in the head straight on and found the pellet in its rib cage. You can drop a bird easy with the walmart stuff and an accurate rifle.
@@MrSniperdude01 Your problem could be that you're using a .22 I've found spring/piston .22 rifles to be a little inaccurate. A normal pcp pump .177 is my usual go to for hunting, virtually no recoil, they don't chew up scopes, and the .177 flies faster. I've found .177s to expand better most of the time.
@@MrSniperdude01 have some that are made with bb in them. They suck but the red tipped gamo ones have went through a 2x4
Back in the 1960s you could buy a .22 smoothbore rifle which fired what was called 'dust shot' for use in orchards apparently, didn't take long for us to buy blanks along with a .22 pellet and see what happens. Quite a powerful result.
I notice your post name is aberbeeg, in Sis Balls we did the same in the 1960s same rifle, I thought we used ordinary blanks which as you said produced powerful results. Naughty boys back then!
Funny. I don't remember .22 pellets being available in the 1960s. CCIs were a penny a pop, though.
@@timhofstetter5654 Bought tens of thousands back then, Marksmen were my preferred .22 pellet.
$35 for 500? Still cheaper than anything I've found lately!
You'd think the prices would have come back down by now!
Haha yeah
if only you had any idea of how bad it'd get
@@taofledermaus ahahah!
@@taofledermaus I am from the future, They never came back down
When I was in the Army, we used M16 blanks,and Crossman .22 pellets, firing out of M16s
Lmao that's awesome XD
I Wonder how many feet a second that would go?
@@ronniepirtlejr2606 5
@CubanAssassin MMA there flared at the back so maybe it fit just snug enough
If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid!
Yep.
Or its stupid and you got incredibly lucky.
+Hans Solo Zimmler You are right.
Apply that to 9/11
Maxim 43: "If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky."
How about a .22 revolver? Take the cylinder out and load it up. Put it back and fire like a old cap and bail pistol.
David Henderson you think the pellet would make it through the cylinder gap?
@@ViktoriousDead I do not see why the cylinder gap should matter unless the revolver is so warn out the gap is a 1/4 wide.
David Henderson just wondering about the fit of the pellet in the cylinder, if it wasn't tight enough the pellet could shear off going into the barrel. Due to the pellet not flying straight
@@ViktoriousDead Well if that was the case it would also happen when being used in the 22 rifle. Like I said the gap would have to be huge for any problem I am thinking. A little checking on line shows the gap to be from .005 to .008. Anything more than that the weapon is not safe to fire.
David Henderson I don't understand how that could be the case in the rifle seeing as they muzzleloaded it? You were referring to loading the cylinder with the blank cartridge and pellets right? That's where I was thinking their could be a problem seeing as the .22 pellet doesn't have the same dimensions as a .22 LR or other .22 caliber.
I've done similar experiments with with only the priming mixture and no powder charge in the .22, firing them into modeling clay. The velocity is low enough that the pellets don't self destruct and you can recover them intact.
What I found is that the sudden rise in pressure after the primer ignites actually forces the pellet skirt up to the head so you land up with a pellet that looks like a parallel sided shot glass.
Use a small ramrod or "pusher" to push the .22 soft lead pellet a little way up into the rifled barrel.
This does 2 things...
it engages the pellet skirt in the rifling..
and there is a volume of air behind the pellet so the hot violent gases from the burning powder can cushion a little before full force is exerted on the pellet...
It may also reduce the "boiling" of lead from those gases hitting the base and reduce the amount of lead sprayed into the bore from this melting effect....
(which is why larger calibre soft lead projectiles have copper base caps (gas checks) that crimp onto the base of those projectiles protecting the soft lead...
I found this to be extremely interesting. I'm a 22 LR guy, and I doubt seriously that I would use the .22 pellets with the 'tool rounds', but, all I can say is WOW. I was impressed with the watermelon shot. It would be a good squirrel round.
Good chicken whacker too.
They're cool with pellets but don't use actual 22lr bullets. The pressure will be dangerously high.
Next up, firing a .22 round out of a nailgun.
firing a nailgun salesman likley.
gullf1sk any idea if it might work?
Luis ZELAYA With or w/o the nail?
Carlos Rodriguez A real .22. No nail. Someone told me that the nailgun chamber won't house a .22 lr but I wonder if the nail gun barrel can be used somehow
Luis ZELAYA
really called sling guns or Ramset drivers..they push a piston bigger than the blank 22 or 25 cal.
Reminds me how soldiers from the LRRP unit in Alaska used to shoot their cleaning rods out of their M16's using 5.56mm blanks.
All these years later you still innovate and put out awesome content.
thanks Luke!
No, thank you you showed me this trick years ago. A real squirrel slayer. Better than the .22 Dianna 350 by far.
I was doing this back in early 80's.
Even though the pellet is a bit undersized compared to the bullet, the pellet skirts are very thin and the gas will push them into the rifling groves to engage the rifling well. There are .38 special wadcutter bullets that have a hollow cavity at the real used in bullyeye competition that are designed this way.
I had the skirts tear off in rifling but works good. Use heavier pellets.
You should chrono the pellets. It would Be interesting to see what the true FPS is.
1600 in 22 over 2000 in 177 😀 depending on the blanks .. black powder blanks arent as affective as smokeless nitro blanks . its the speed of gas expansion , black powder is a lot slower burning so expands slower ...the pellet has left the barrel before full expansion of the gasses
@@tomhughes5123 u are backwards on that. Black powder is faster burning than smokeless. And those pellets are no where near 2500 fps. In .22lr cci hv is 1400fps.
@@pranc236 it depends on the shape and size, but generally smokeless powder burns faster than black powder. There's a reason we could not get 556 level velocities out of black powder
Cool. Don't go by the color to differentiate between power levels though unless you always stay with the same brand. What I found in the past is that each company used their own color codes.
I never thought of it before but these blanks must be contributing to .22 ammo shortages.
looks like freakin 5.56 holes in thin steel. amazing! those rounds are haulin
Marilyn Gist 5.56 is extremely close in diameter to .22 so at these velocities it makes sense that they look the same
17Industries they are actually the same at .223 inch
@@gaydolfhitqueer835 no,they aren't
Finally, a channel (RyeOnHam) took me up on the offer of CHRONOGRAPHING the pellet velocities! BE SURE to check out this excellent video!
VR Shooting 22 PELLETS Using NAIL GUN Blanks
can you glue or hot wax the pellets onto the ramset round?
I wonder what would happen if you shot steel BB's or copper pellets at some body armor? Would they be AP?
How loud are they?
I'm guessing they are fucking loud because they break the sound barier....
....Twice.
ZentetsukenVII The description of the video said they were significantly louder than a standard round
ZentetsukenVII why should they be loud ? "Breaks sound barrier" means travels faster than sound, which just means it has really big speed.
Wow, that pellet is just as fast as a 5.56, Super impressed :)
Another commenter chronographed his and got 2900 to 3000ft per second..accurate to 100 yards.
you know those air rifle pellets have a cone on the back of them like the conical bullets in the civil war. when the powder goes off it expanse the cone into the rifling's which will make them accurate. its not going to hurt the gun. good survival ammo.
The civil war conicals were a combination of bullet weight, shape, powder type, and burn rate all working in harmony. The fast powder in the hilti shells overpowers the ultra light weight pellets and does affect accuracy. Not only that but pellet speed can actually drop off with the more powerful yellow blanks! This was proven by +RyeOnHam when he did some chronograph tests. Better to use the lightest blanks color coded brown.
Will Yam smokeless powder burns slower than black power that is a fact. slower burning powders burn all the way down the barrel and makes for higher velocity. that why that pellet is being destroyed. the pellet is just like the conical bullet of the civil war the cone will expand and engage the rifling it just needs a smaller powder charge.
mad max the idea is to get close to the same burn time as it takes to get the projectile out the barrel, somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is the direct difference between big bore and small bore powders is burn time but compound is irrelevant. black powder is granulated after the ball mill processes to controll burn time.
madmax...its called a miniéball....(miné or min-aye-ball) named after Claude minié....but gets called mini ball.
You're correct about the burn rates of different powders, but what is the chamber pressure? Excess chamber pressure can damage the firearm and injure the shooter. The load data found in reloading manuals will always tell you the chamber pressure for a particular load based on the type and amount of powder and type of bullet and weight. This seems like guess work since you don't know the powder charge in a Hilti .22 shell and there isn't much info on .22 rim fire rounds since they can't be hand loaded. It seems to me if its outperforming factory ammo, it must have a much higher chamber pressure and may be approaching the danger zone.
I did this back in the 80s using a hi-standard .22 revolver. We loaded the cylinder with pellets first and then seated the blanks behind them; that way there was no muzzle-loading required. They were awesome on squirrels and rabbit.
you have a great channel. it's always cool to watch what you come up with. i think the pellet videos are awesome. I'm thinking of trying it with my 10/22. the people that are negative can go and make their own channel. nobody made them watch yours. keep up the good work. thanks for sharing this with us.
+blackops84321 thanks!!
I was so sure that the 22LR ammo would out preform the pellets but I was wrong great video keep up the good work you got a subscriber
+Pablo Munoz thanks!
Now that is a wildcat load!
Lol
We were doing this decades ago (70's) when I was a teen and early 20's. We used my old Marlin bolt action and a friends old Remington 511 bolt gun, for the bolt actions work so much easier. Just open the bolt, insert the pellet and load the blank behind the pellet. Back then, I had several tins of the very small starter pistol blanks, and even those gave enough speed and accuracy to kill birds, squirrels and close range rabbits. The nail gun blanks would give a whole new level of speed and power, and as you learned, the power of those blanks could deliver near 22 mag speed and power.
John Willis
10 days ago (edited)
I just ran across this video. I done this for years with an old Stevens Favorite single shot falling block. I put the pellet in the chamber followed by the power load. It is deadly on Squirrels and Rabbits out to about 100 yards and very, very accurate. I get all the nail gun loads I want for free, just have to buy the pellets. I cronied them at 2900 to 3000 fps from this rifle.
jut found a good apocalypse substitute ammo :D
In Mexico used this system in national rifles= Mendoza or Cabañas, but in .177 cal Mendoza in the model M-990, Cabañas in the model: Leyre(cabañas is discontinued and is very hard to find these rifles in some places of Mexico)
What if you muzzle loaded a .22 caliber steel bearing instead? Curious about what kind of penetration you could get.
I've used 22 pellets in a once fired 22-250 brass case powered only by a large magnum rifle primer for years as a close range pest round. Simply push the pellet down the case neck flush and load the primer using a simple hand priming tool. I've not chronoed the load but seems to be similar to a 22 RF short. Great way to use your coyote rifle for a quiet close range pest control rifle. Very accurate.
In a gun fight, it's safer to take cover behind an inch of paper than an eighth-inch of steel.
No shit
I said no shit dumbass
+TechysTechTalk lmao
+TechysTechTalk Oh noes, he didn't reply to you what ever shall you do?
+TechysTechTalk
"i go on with my life like a normal person"
> replies for the 3rd time two months later
dumb ass.
Hmmm, need to check those out on various armor. Those are very clean holes through that locker and those little boogers are moving pretty damn fast. They also have the pointed target pellets that would be interesting to see. Neat stuff guys!
Only questions I have are how accurate and at what distance. I would like to see what kind of groups could be made at various distances. I'm sure the further distances would not be very tight because of the lack of weight of the pellet. But what distance would that possibly be?
It sure brings back fond old memories: as a young novice gunsmith, I used to experiment with the similar system more then 5 decades ago, by using Eichhorn branded blanks, topped off with heavy H&N pellets for the likes of Barracuda if I remember right? Best performance was in older breech-loading .22 break-brl air-rifles, which I converted. Doing the same on .177 air-rifles would usually result in pellet/skirt seperation, were skirts frequently ended up getting stuck in the bore, as the smaller bore pellets couldn’t withstand the pressure levels!
Pretty amazing vid,
Thanks!
This is really cool, I have never seen anyone try this before, and it obviously works great. You are achieving extremely high velocities with those lightweight pellets. Very cool! Some guys with break-barrel, spring piston pellet rifles are adding a drop of oil in the pellet skirt, then firing it from the air rifle.. The air compression ignites the oil, creating a high velocity shot. It's pretty cool also, if you like messing around with air rifles you might give it a try. They call it dieseling.
+Trevor Jameson Dieseling is really bad for the gun though. If you really want hyper velocity pellets, just make your own rifle that will do so. Barrels can actually be made from paper. Yes, that's right, paper. You have to make the barrel pretty thick though, and watch the pressures.
+Trevor Jameson Gotta try this...how to seal the oil in the pellet ?
I dieseled hundreds of pellets from my old Gamo (back in the 1970s). It would be interesting to experiment with different fuels. I had sewing machine oil so I used that. No malfunctions but anti-fun parents confiscated it.
I've done it, but the results are not very consistent, unless you have a way to ensure that you use the exact same amount of oil each time. And it's murder on barrel seals, they don't last long.
I've got another stupid idea, boring out the back end of a .177 air rifle barrel so that a cartridge will fit in it, modifying the compressor so it punches the primer (instead of trying to blow air through it), loading the modified bb gun with slugs and giving that a go. Those slugs ought to go like the clappers.
I tried it with yellow top ram sets and the same 14gr pellets in my Savage MKII Bolt gun and it worked awesome . You use any wading like wax paper for the pellet ? I found it liked to move around in the barrel when shooting below the horizon .
I have been wanting to/thinking about doing this, since I was like 10 years old! I knew it would work!
Been doing this since 2013! 410 to 22 adapters for my Judge. Bit of candle wax
holds the pellets to the nail gun blanks (I use browns tho) Accuracy satisfactory
even with smooth bore adapters. After all ITS -NOT- A TARGET PISTOL!!!! LOL
Good enuf and cheap enuf for shooting rats in the corn crib. It sure beats trying
to wield a long barrel in tighter spaces and it doesn't blow holes in the siding as
a 'legitimate' 22 would do. Works at greater distance than the birdshot rounds!
Gotta make sure you killem tho, wounded rats can be dangerous!! ROFL
Jeff, I'd love to see you guys mess around with powder-propelled pellets some more. Could you make up rounds that would feed? Maybe based on .22lr cases?
It should work in a revolver maybe?
@@roosterqmoney That seems like a sensible suggestion, yeah! In as far as 'sensible' applies here...
I've used the yellow loads, to nail 2×6's to 3/16" steel beams with PL400 adhesive for extra measure and cushioning. You have to use special high carbon steel nails, that fit the Hilti gun as well.
does it get more powerful than the yellow ones?
@@gonzogriff Here in Ireland it used to be yellow>red>black with black being most powerful, that was 40 -50 years ago though , so I don't know if its the same here nowadays...🤔
Did this 35 years ago in my Rugar 10-22. Pretty much the same results, to much trouble though. I used Beeman Silver Jets for the pellets as the stamp formed Crossmans disintegrated.
I tried doing this about a year ago with my cheap bolt action .22 rifle. But I loaded the pellet into the breach and then put the blank behind it. It hit the target fine but left behind a ring of lead that prevented me from shooting again until I removed the lead with a sturdy wire bore cleaner. So in short I only got one round to fire off. I might try it again in the future.
+Josh Bonds Try a copper pellet next time.
You can either use a lower-power blank, such as #2, or a bit heaver projectile....
I had good results by soldering the skirt full with a fine-tip soldering iron. It adds extra weight and keeps the skirt from separating. I have even gone as far as soldering a 177 bb into to pellet skirt and used JB weld to secure it to a ram set cartridge.
Cool.
The .22 Cal powder actuated cartridges are also made in .27 Cal and they are used for ¼ inch powder actuated fastener tool(Ramset, Hilti, Redhead,etc...) ¼ inch is the diameter of the ram piston that is the barrel inside diameter.
They also make those tools and cartridges in a 3/8 inch diameter. Bigger cartridges, more power, larger diameter bore.
I'm not sure what size ammo is 3/8 inch in diameter but, it may be interesting to see and compare the ¼ inch and the 3/8 inch.
I've done something similar with custom "cartridges" milled from solid brass rods. I got the idea from CO2 airgun revolver cartridges, where the bb or pellet is held in the front of the cartridge. My "cartridges" are milled out to accept either 5.5mm Flobert or .22 crimped construction blanks. (They're not interchangeable, the difference isn't just in the length of the blank)
And for something equally intriguing, load a .22-250 (or .223 or any other .22 centerfire) using a large rifle primer, NO GUNPOWDER AT ALL, and a .22 pellet for the projectile. It won't have the velocity of the nail driver round, but it works for squirrels and such. Best thing is that you can use your normal rifle optics on a lightly charged projectile (backyard use, etc...). Loads of fun.
This is seriously interesting! Who would have though that the 'improvised' round would work better than the factory round?
***** Perhaps a twin magazine system would provide the necessary result? A shell up back & the projectile up front? I would a love it if a gunsmith tried this idea out!
Quincy Owyang It was more of a 'can it be made?' rather than to put into production.
L I i Lily l l k i l loi My mp
never heard of a .22 hornet have ya? its a flared round with light grains and shitloads of power.
why not just breakbarrel?
I remember being a poor southern boy in Texas. Me and my buddies didn't have the cash to buy rifles so we took piece's of pipe with a diameter big enough to fit a 22 round and a end cap with a small whole drill off center. We had his dad who was a shade tree mechanic weld a nut to the end of the cap so it would act as a guide for a carpenter nail then another small piece of pipe with one side cut so it would hold the nail with a small spring on the back. To load we simply unscrewed the end cap and placed the 22 round into one end and put the cap back on. To fire we had a small piece of wood blocking the nail from striking the round. We simply lined up a target and pulled the wood out and bang! Dead squirrel for Dinner! Yeah it was inaccurate over a few yards but for squirrel's, rabbits and other small creatures at close range it worked! So glad we never used nail gun blanks and pellets that extra hot charge would have blown up our DIY rifles! Great time's Great vid!
Thank you for this informational video I appreciate stuff like this and I hope to see more of it I would give you some ideas but right now I don't really have any
I have a falling block single shot .22 that could be used this way. Be interesting to see what the MV was on those shots: it must have been way above normal. If the skirts come off, I'd try air rifle slugs.
Such a clean entry those pellets make, I'd expect them to be squished or splattered.
JVONROCK Actually them squashing is likely why they made such a clean entry, all the kinetic energy was spread evenly due to it being a soft but heavy metal.
I'm wondering if the pellet's pointed tip made for better penetration/ cleaner hole in the sheet metal. Maybe pellets are harder...
Does the rifle or pistol have more debris now than a normal 22lr? Does it burn as clean? I would suspect it to be really different in that aspect.
Interesting set-up. Seeing this reminds me of what my kid brother and his buddy did when they were in grade school. Our dad was a carpenter and had a box full of these blanks in the garage. My brother and his pal snuck some of the blanks out into the field, put one in a vise and hit it with a hammer! The blank shell took off and went through the pal's upper arm, missing the bone. He calmly walked back to my parents' house and told my dad, "excuse me sir, I shot myself." My dad was shocked and then angry after he took the kid to the hospital. We kids had all been told for years to never touch those blanks. That kid was lucky it didn't go into his face.
Did the same on a job site, hit one with a piece of rebarb a piece whent through my finger and another into my thumb and another stuck in my forehead! I was bleeding all over, never tried it again! I believe the crimped edges of the blank is what came off!
I detonated a few 22 LR Primers with a hammer. It ruptures the brass and was remarkably loud. It probably did damage my hearing.
savage friend
Two friends and I found a 22 round and, of course, decided to put it on a curb and pound it with a brick. It went off and shot my friend in the foot and he took off like Usain Bolt! It took us 5 min to catch him! mom took us to the hospital. He was ok but the rest of had the belt to deal with when We got home! That was 50 years ago and I remember like yesterday.
I knew a guy with a glass eye, he said he would put the shell at the end of a bb gun and shoot it up. But he didnt do it anymore when a peice came back and damaged his eye, and curved around the skull bone inbetween the brain.
they're called power loads for a reason, they release more energy than a firearm round because they're designed to drive metal into concrete as opposed to soft flesh, but because there's more energy released than your weapon is designed to handle, you run an extreme risk of destroying the weapon and the hand holding it
it would probably be best to just do this with either break actions or bolt actions, a lot of times the barrels on semi-autos are thinner
The shells can't hold enough powder to blow a normal barrel. i'd not fire one from a sleeved barrel though. if it's too thin it might go pop
@@wulfarrow2849 Well Yes and No, I have tested some hot loads in .22LR's the semi-auto has a thinner barrel, BUT also has a place for the gases to escape....On a bolt gun it has NOWHERE to go!
I think the ideal gun for this would be a double action .22lr revolver. With the swing out cylinder it would be very easy to place the pellet directly into the rifling, put your blank in the cylinder, close it and fire. Hell if you wanted too you could put nail gun blanks onto a speed loader/ moon clip so you could have 10 rounds of plinking at a time and actually be able to do it fairly quickly if your range rents by the half hour. Pretty economical way to shoot if you just love plinking.
My question is, would the work in a revolver. If so would you load the pellet in the chamber or one at a time in the barrel? Is there any way we could find out the weight and speed of these pellets?
I have a remington speedmaster! I got way too excited when i saw it :)
I did this same experiment 3 years ago, Shot a 1.5" diameter aspen tree at 15 yards and blew it down... good news... Now for the bad news.. the pellets are traveling so fast down the barrel they solder the rifling leaving lead deposits in the rifling. Each time you shoot more of the rifling get soldered off into the rifling, causing super increased pressure, Eventually to the point where your gun barrel will explode, not a very smart idea....
If you had a solid copper pellet.... not a copper coated one... you wouldn't get the soldering effect of the lead pellet on the rifling inside your barrel.
Never took it to that step... for I destroyed my 22 repeater from over pressure, it permanently knocked out my bullet head space and ruined my gun completely.
When I looked at the rifling in the barrel... there was no twist to be seen, it was completely soldered out from the lead pellets..
Do not do this with lead pellets you could seriously hurt or kill someone or your self !!!!
KEVINNOAD1 lol this comment prob fell on deaf ears.
KEVINNOAD1 pp
Or clean the barrel after each shot? ...which makes it even more tedious.
Copper does the same thing. Very common in gun barrels. Lead requires lubricant to slow down fouling.
I kind of figured that would happen...
Still an awesome idea 4 years later - you should try to redo this with the highspeed camera, I genuinely do wonder if the pellet pierced through the plate/locker or rather punched through (similar to how high speed bullets [eg: 4.7mm] defeat bodyarmor).
Using blanks to fire projectile, does sometimes make the shot more powerful than the regular cartridge. Thats because the blanks have more powder so they have enough power to drive a nail in to concrete.
Velocity beats armor more than mass
... Both the velocity and the mass are involved in the kinetic energy of the round fired... KE = (1/2)*mass*velocity
+saverlater123 *velocity^2
yes, that is true, but velocity has a greater effect
+saverlater123 momentum is mass*velocity kinetic energy is 1/2mv^2 therefore in energy velocity has much more influence.
+Manilla Ice the word was impact
I think those cartridges have more explosive power than normal gunpowder, they are made to say "bang" even without a bullet, so it's probably a little bit unsafe, but the barrel is over engineered enough so it doesn't really harm it
bayenne5b they aren't a more explosive gunpowder they'll just put in more gunpowder since there is no bullet and yes the gun can handle it it was made to fire .22s and those are exactly what those crimped blanks are
Is there anyway to modify the pellet to fit in to the jacket after taking that plastic tip out.. or maybe modify the pellet to fit in to the plastic tip.. i think im might look in to this..
how many joules they have the cartridges #4, because we in Europe have different and have different markings?
Has someone chronographed this?!
This is basically a hot load.
But hornady doesn't give a listing for powder grain weight for .22 because you can't reload rim fire.
I wonder how fast it'll wear out internals.
Southern ingenuity at it's finest!
Awesome video once again, and as always, AMAZING RESULTS...
Thanks Paul. We were very surprised.
Have you tried gluing them onto the blanks so you don't have to keep sending them down the barrel? I've got 9mm blacks with the green tip insert on the casing and I'm hoping to find a ball bearing that I can just slot into the recess then a dab of glue and modify the barrel for the BB. Maybe a good idea maybe a bad idea but it's mostly just me being curious. And if people say it can't be done then I need to do it.
Excuse someone who doesn't understand! how do you get the bolt gun ammunition to light? :-) SINCERELY ,,
Nailed it!
That's 7 cents a round for something that loads slow and works better for varmints. I wouldn't hunt with it because the pellet would end up contaminating meat when it disintegrates. This would be great for that rifle with feeding issues, but shoots straight.
briansmobile1
I don't think it would do squat to the meat. It punched a clean round hole through steel plate. I don't think a rabbit would fair as well.
Dawg meat and metal are 2 different things
Bloody good show, loved it just a pity the loading process can't be sped up. Would it be possible to super glue a handful of pellets and charges, then breech load?? Or is the length an issue. I used to use starting blanks very short and air pellets, went really well but never did any ballistics. Thanks for the vid
NO!!!! The pellet needs to be in front of the case at least 3 inches, Otherwise, the pellet will break up in the barrel.
In my opinion...
Back in 1975 I bored out a .177 pellet rifle to accept the .22 Blank, like you use in the video. It was of course a one shot rifle, but it had great power and accuracy. Needless to say that I was happily surprised when they started making 17 rim fire rifles a few years ago.
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I feel inspired!
9 years later, and youtube just recommended this to me. I ain't complaining, but the algorithm is wild these days. Great video though ❤
Judging from the sound of it I'd say the nail gun charges with the pellet are considerably higher pressure. I wouldn't hesitate to use them in a bolt action but I'm not sure I'd use a semi auto 22 for this.
I wonder if the .22 pellets would stay in a revolver cylinder?
i would think so given the gas skirt on a pellet , probably best to rear load though , you would just have to look at your overall length for the 2 and make sure that clears the cylinder
If not, you could always glue them to the charges to make rounds.
Take a small punch and crimp the skirt of the pellet out slightly; when you push it into the chamber, it will stick in there, kind of like it would in an air rifle.
The damage reminds me of what a .17 hmr or a Ruger .204 does. Pretty cool stuff!
+Inkwellish The smaller quick rounds are pretty darn fun to shoot with.
***** .17 HMR and .204 Ruger. The first is a necked down 22 magnum. and the .204 is a necked down .223 I'm pretty sure.
Both shooting smaller bullets from a larger parent case; making their velocities better and flatter trajectories for the most part.
They are very prone to metal fouling,
Timothy Terrell would you call them barrel burners?
I tried this in a single shot .22lr and the case blew back so far into the firing pin hole it destroyed not only the firing pin, but the spring as well. Needless to say, the blank's case was toast!
What would happen with the 22 rounds for nail gun with a pellet loaded in front in a revolver cylinder? Or do the fall out.
You should do some more videos on these. Seems very interesting, and would this work in a single shot bolt gun?
They actually work better in a bolt gun. No worries about the rifle cycling the empty case. It is slow but will work in a pinch.
I'm sure we will. We have a lot of the pellets and the cartridges left.
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Thank you, I'll be looking forward to that.
***** so use the bolt gun to shoot the pellets into ballistics gel
Hmm...too bad there isn't a rifle specially made to do this; it'd be a great recreational shooter!
+Alonzo Branson Either .22 break action rifle or revolver should work well. With some paper and glue you can even make a cartridge)
+КоммуНЯКА Кавайная Yep.. But the #4 charge, and .22 bullets for the mini-revolvers were too much for my Buckmark.... gotta get it fixed.
+koolkitty8989 I was thinking the exact same thing, loading the pellets with a small Allen wrench in a single shot breech bolt action.
a few freinds of mine made pipe guns that do this. you can also use these (along with some very good steel tube for your bolts) in modified pneumatic crossbows.
Yes... perhaps starting with a .22 center-fire barrel, or a .22 insert in a break-barrel shotgun, to have sufficient steel around the chamber to withstand the pressures generated.... I agree that using a standard .22 rim-fire could be problems, which is why I suggest the most conservative approach...
Could you load it like a normal .22 round of you superglue the pellet to the top of the nail gun blank?
Hold ma beer and watch 'dis!
Speed kills. What if you lightly epoxy the pellets to the blanks? Worth a shot. You have finally answered the question everyone thinks when they see or use these for work. Thanks for sharing.
That was way cool... Def didn't expect that result!
I tried this when I was a kid with my bolt action .22LR and a few BBs. It worked but the shells would get lodged in the barrel when the ends expanded.
way back in the old days we could get a .22 'short' with a ball in the end of it, like a 6mm ball bearing made of lead. Lethal little sods up close, 30 yards or so and lost it a bit after that.
You mean bb shot?
BB Cap.
A Caution to consider with pellets is that the collar of the pellet can shear off the head and be left in the barrel. This was found with #2's pushing the pellet through a rifle barrel.
I still recommend trying this at home.
Good luck everybody 👍!
A very informative video....I'm wondering difference in sound too...Seemed the Pellet round quieter...How many pellets can be used at one time is something I might try...Make a little shotgun, out of a .22...Anchored gun and a pull string on the trigger of course, but have to try it...Thanks guys.
How far down do you load the pellet, using the muzzleloading method. I know on the video he has it marked.
Copper pellets! At those velocities it should penetrate like crazy!
+James Garvey Gamo sells copper plated pellets, they are even faster than normal pellets, imagine if they were shot with blanks ! :))
+qpae123 that's exactly what I was thinking.
+James Garvey you can sand em down then coat em with tungsten by -electrolysis- galvanisation for even more fun. rip barrel...
+Klaus Von Liechtenstein hmmmm.. Solid tungsten would be interesting too!
James Garvey solid tungsten penetrator is my wet dream... wait.. that sounded so gay xd
now srsly, since tungsten is tougher than steel its a bitch to machine out. i doubt it is even possible, but you could coat anything metal in tungsten in home conditions by galvanisation. now that's homegrown ammo, literally heheh
So, you invented the .22 muzzle loader?
lol
The red 22 caliber pellets work beautifully with the yellow blanks in my racer revolver!
How far from the charge are you ram rodding those? is there any Gap, or do you ram them up Flush? An Inquiring mind wants to know... THX
The pellet is in the rifling, not in the chamber. There might be a 1/4" gap or so.
I was doing that 45 years ago... anyone, any age could buy those, and make OK bullets.
Has anyone chronographed these to confirm velocity?
I saw another video...the chrono said 4, 750.... !!!!
Daaaaammmmn!
so could you use some Elmers glue to stick the pellet to the front of the blank shell?
So I am curious about accuracy. I have a bunch of these cartridges and pellets. They make these in different power factors, so I think I will load the most powerful first. The nail tool is made by Remington, so what could go wrong?
try it and see
I'm in construction and I've used hundreds of those yellow shots to nail wood to concrete. The box describes them as "Low Velocity", so I was quite surprised at how much they compared to a similar "real" bullet.
imagine using the red caps, yellow and green are the weak ones. i own a ramset, and the red ones are most often too much. i only use the red when attaching wood to structural steel.
they need to try the red ones!
+Mike Truglia I imagine it would far over power the pellet and it would rip apart mid air, or not stabilize in any regard. Just a guess though.
The #4 rips the pellet skirt off in the barrel, and you gotta get it out before you can load another pellet...works OK with the #2 .
@@miketruglia4825 pellet won't stand the strain.
@@The_PotionSeller powdered. it's to much pressure for soft lead.