This is a great format Because this will make the method of "Buy a combat patrol and build up from there" way easier since they'll be way more incentivized to include staple units and coherent 500 point lists for each faction now.
I think Combat Patrol games are a great way into 10th edition and I have to be honest and confess that I never have the time for a big 40k game so the idea of a quick and dirty game in a more controlled and balanced format sounds great to me...
Feels like a logical step really, the problem with the Get Started boxes were that they couldn't even be fielded as a legal Detachment in 8th or 9th edition. So people got those boxes, such as the CSM box with a Helbrute, 10 marines and 1 terminator lord/sorcerer but then needed to spend even more money to actually play the game. Whenever I've introduced a new player to the hobby I have tried to make a fun and balanced list for them because trying to get someone new to understand the Detachment making rules and then handle the counting of points and equipment loadouts etc is a complete mess for someone not already into this hobby. So this format would suit that same purpose, pick up, paint , play. You're done. And if you would like grander battles, pay more to buy more models and codex and learn how to customize your own army.
I am not going to buy the combat patrol. Why not? Well, I like Sisters, but I hate hate hate arco flagellants and penitent engines. They're frankly gross. So why would I spend good money on models that I will never even build or paint, much less use in a game? I love the idea of one-box factions, but I think they are really missing out on flexibility, because its strength is also its weakness, lack of customization.
Ummm. What I’d love to know from GW, is.... are the current version of the Combat Patrol boxes going to be the Ongoing combat patrols? If someone already ran out and bought the current Space Marines or Tyranid combat patrol box prior to this recent announcement of 10th ed based versions of these sets, have they made a tactical error? And, as new codexes drop, will the Combat Patrols be updated? This just feels ultra sketchy to me. The Death Guard Combat Patrol box was designed to support a very specific 9th ed DG army build that focused on Typhus buffing Poxwalkers and deep striking terminators.
I'm looking at Combat Patrol as a step up from KT to use some of the bigger units. This being its own format and being smaller makes it easier to find the time for a game in a busy schedule. Combat Patrol does give me the option of getting a couple of patrols for different factions to play with which what I like in KT as well.
The only thing I can really say in its defence is that it can, in the right mindset, make the game feel more like strategically moving your army in a grand strategy sort of way, instead of the skirmish way. Which is kind of cool! Also, if you're playing it casually, then having some time to chill out between turns is pretty cool!
I'm pretty excited for this format and hopefully I can bring some of my KT friends into some bigger matches. I'm really hoping for an Imperial Fists box, but otherwise I guess I'm playing by the Blood Angels rules.
24:01 Great vid my dude, getting us peeps informed and pumped up is the right vibe. If there’s one place you’re gunna go deep on your hobby thoughts it’s here, don’t apologise. Gotta be kind you yourself bro, hardest working man in kill team ❤
I'm mildly excited and am prepping a couple of Combat Patrols. I kind of want to play 40k, and force org,options etc. has been a major barrier to me being bothered. A game format that lets me skip to having fun is genuinely very welcome.
It was the opposite for me. Big 40k was my gateway drug into Kill Team. I just enjoy the game so much more, plus it takes me forever to paint anything, so a squad is much less daunting.
Does anyone know what will happen with the existing Marine Combat Patrol ? I assume it will still be valid. For me, the existing box looks better than the upcoming one.
Exactly the same question here, I've got the Phobos box. My guess is it stays, because the new one is "Strike Force Octavian" rather than "CF Space Marines". It would be a huge error to have anything called a "Combat Patrol" still on retailer shelves that wasn't supported after what they've said.
@@jonrollason5709 I agree , and I hope you are right , as I only just got this box , Infiltrators double up as my Kill Team. If the guesses are correct , the new box is lacking models for me , and just not worth it.
I wasnt expecting a 5 man inferno squad unit for the SM box. Seems odd to have a half unit like that when you had a perfectly suitable 5 man unit with the Sternguard Vets. I cant imagine 5 flamer boys will have much of an impact considering their movement speed and the short range on their flamers. Everything else is fine though! About what I expected for a combat patrol. With this confirmed then, that means no Termies of any kind in the starter sets to keep this box selling. Sternguard will be in the elite edition starter set as the more elite unit followed by a 5 man inferno squad. The recruit will be just a 5 man inferno squad. The only thing now is what HQ is more premium, the Phobos Lt. or Apothecary to put in each set
I am really happy with the the new format, it will give new gamers an easy game mode to play, and let more experienced players play the game in a new interesting way which I really like. Great content buddy, always like your very in depth appreciation of our brilliant hobby, Nice one!!
I myself am building up a kitbashed Ironhead-Votann kill team, and will expand that into an Ironhead Votann Combat Patrol by kitbashing Ironhead Beserks, Ironhead Pioneers and an Ironhead Kâhl... Might go further in the future, but the milstones ahead are "set in Stone"!
But can I still make 500 point size armies I wonder… I kinda like that option. I like the option of combat patrol boxes, and that is fine, but I want to be able to learn making small armies
Well, you can make 500 point size armies. But GW said that you can play with armies of any size, but they will do a normal balance for armies with 1000+++ points and no less.
Anonycat has it right. You can do anything you want! However the smallest game size "supported" is 1k points (assuming you've decided that Combat Patrol isn't what you're after when iot comes to list building)
They idea of combat patrol sounds good. My only issue is my factions combat patrol is the most boring set of models on the planet and is the complete opposite of how I would want to build and play the faction. 😢
Here's some food for thought. While we do have boxes now called "Combat Patrol" boxes... Obviously anyone who has the space marine or Tyranid boxes that currently exist are going to have to buy the new boxes ... They say they have balanced all the combat patrol boxes with each other... It almost sounds like they are talking about NEW combat patrol boxes. I have a feeling that all the current combat patrol boxes are going to be superceded by new ones. And the new combat patrol rules are ONLY going to apply to the NEW combat patrol boxes that we haven't heard about yet?
I really like the idea of CP and the accessibility it offers. 40k can be a bit daunting and easy to get lost which is why Kill Team appealed to me in the first place. I love that I can now almost naturally scale up in to 40k along with the simplified (“not simple”! 😂) rules. I’m all for it and will be getting stuck in to my WE CP soon!
A bit late, but I believe the combat patrol is going to be "my very first 40k", thats what it should be and there is nothing wrong with that. My reasoning? I've never playerd 40k, only KT and have been doubting to enter 40k, despite te vehicles, if i had bought any of them, they would have just collected dust. But now? That sororitas combat patrol is looking VERY viable. I'd say, this is not a cheao hobby, more so to other countries, so I have to buy what I will play, and now I can.
i'm currently more excited about Star Wars Shatterpoint and Malifaux, because unlike Gallowfall, I can actually get those. We'll see if they do a re-print and that might bring me back around to kill team. In the meantime, I still appreciate the information. Cheers!
Feels a lot like Infinity's Code One which is a solid onboarding tool but which gets left behind for the full game. I think if people want a faster infinity game they just play less points. May be different for 40k, since CP is the only official support for 500 point games we're gonna get I think. I don't think I have any combat patrols actually but I bet I have the contents of one or two from different sources. I like smaller 40k games and will give it a try for sure.
Question: will we be able to play combat patrol size games, but with other models than those that come in the combat patrol box? I.e. can i play a combat patrol game with necron warriors and some destroyers? Or do i HAVE to play the models that come in the box?
@@GlassHalfDead thanks for reply! Tbh that changes my opinion about the game format somewhat. I would’ve like a little more flexibility. Maybe i’ll stick to 1000-1500 points games then. 👍
About to pull the trigger on a Genestealer Cults CP. Will let me play Wyrmblade (inc roster options, proxying acolytes for cult heroes). Been convinced by this game mode! (otherwise would have sought 2nd hand neophytes)
I have no interest in 40K. Been there and done that. If a friend ends up wanting to try Combat Patrol, I may be able to swing a Sisters of Battle CP, but I think that is the only one I have anywhere near the types/numbers of models needed (based on the images from that article).
This is my issue. Love Death Guard, but wow the combat patrol is one of the worst bundle boxes I've ever seen. 3 sets of the same boring monopose poxwalkers? A named character in a small points game mode? Hard pass.
@@machinamawatcher The high quality of the boarding patrol makes it more obvious, add to that it sold out almost immediately, not much chance of that for the Combat Patrol.
There will be a fair few tournaments in this format. I’m running one a week after launch. Shops will love this as a sealed format and the school organised play will be Combat Patrol.
My only advice is I purchased the Tyranids combat patrol when the codex came out and there was 36 Termagaunts in it! so keep in mind if you start a faction, maybe hit the rumor mill and keep an eye on your upcoming releases xD
Do we think this is replacing boarding action? I love the fact boarding action was using two sets of kill teams terrian/boards and was looking forward to them doing this with the new KT jungle season. Do you think boarding action was just for this year?
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Why Combat Patrol if most KT players have enough ITD terrain for Boarding Actions...
Just because Boarding Actions isn't really its own thing. You could play 2k points on boarding actions terrain if you want OR you could play a combat patrol game on boarding actions terrain.
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@@GlassHalfDead What do mean with "Its not it's own thing?" Its a mode with specific point limits (500) specific rules modifications (for example: no warlord traits, restricted unit roster), specific missions and a specific terrain setup. Sure, you can houserule it to play 2000 points or use the combat patrol boxes and ignore the restrictions but that doesn't mean it's not it's own game mode.
@@lilv3966 Battlescribe isn't really needed so much in this edition of KT, so has had a bit less support and uptake. I would recommend Wahapedia for rules :)
Combat Patrol for 9th was what convinced me that Corehammer will never be for me unless they bring the rules out of the 1980s. Nothing I've seen of 10th convinces me that they're even trying at this point.
Combat Patrol is an absolute downgrade from Kill Team. You get less units compared to Kill Team, where you get 10-11 per box and can use AT LEAST 6 of that in a single game. Combat patrols get you 4-5 units, so you have a lot less options during the game. You also get less options in equipping those units and using CP. Also, when you want to move a unit, you have to move 5-10 models. If you want to attack with a unit, you have to attack 5-10 times. Kill Team allows you to make a lot more decisions (which in my book is the actual "playing the game") while allowing you to spend less time executing the mechanics, which is the boring part.
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Black Templar combat patrol. Drive that impulsor with the emperors fury
This is a great format Because this will make the method of "Buy a combat patrol and build up from there" way easier since they'll be way more incentivized to include staple units and coherent 500 point lists for each faction now.
I think Combat Patrol games are a great way into 10th edition and I have to be honest and confess that I never have the time for a big 40k game so the idea of a quick and dirty game in a more controlled and balanced format sounds great to me...
I need to catch up on your vids bc that double pleasantry hit me right in the feels.
You're telling me, bud. Could use some positivty in MY life right now.
Feels like a logical step really, the problem with the Get Started boxes were that they couldn't even be fielded as a legal Detachment in 8th or 9th edition. So people got those boxes, such as the CSM box with a Helbrute, 10 marines and 1 terminator lord/sorcerer but then needed to spend even more money to actually play the game.
Whenever I've introduced a new player to the hobby I have tried to make a fun and balanced list for them because trying to get someone new to understand the Detachment making rules and then handle the counting of points and equipment loadouts etc is a complete mess for someone not already into this hobby. So this format would suit that same purpose, pick up, paint , play. You're done. And if you would like grander battles, pay more to buy more models and codex and learn how to customize your own army.
Here for that wholesome double hello!
I show up for the double hello and stay for the triple hello!
And I SOMETIMES remember to give them xD
I am not going to buy the combat patrol.
Why not?
Well, I like Sisters, but I hate hate hate arco flagellants and penitent engines. They're frankly gross. So why would I spend good money on models that I will never even build or paint, much less use in a game?
I love the idea of one-box factions, but I think they are really missing out on flexibility, because its strength is also its weakness, lack of customization.
New game : drink when he says 'Combat Patrol" 🤣
Ummm. What I’d love to know from GW, is.... are the current version of the Combat Patrol boxes going to be the Ongoing combat patrols? If someone already ran out and bought the current Space Marines or Tyranid combat patrol box prior to this recent announcement of 10th ed based versions of these sets, have they made a tactical error? And, as new codexes drop, will the Combat Patrols be updated? This just feels ultra sketchy to me. The Death Guard Combat Patrol box was designed to support a very specific 9th ed DG army build that focused on Typhus buffing Poxwalkers and deep striking terminators.
The answer is 1 bajillion percent yes. Rule of cool. Only buy models you enjoy looking at, etc etc. Guwarmateed my friend.
I'm looking at Combat Patrol as a step up from KT to use some of the bigger units. This being its own format and being smaller makes it easier to find the time for a game in a busy schedule. Combat Patrol does give me the option of getting a couple of patrols for different factions to play with which what I like in KT as well.
The lack of alternating turn irks me, but then again even in xcom, you move all your models before the enemies do…..
The only thing I can really say in its defence is that it can, in the right mindset, make the game feel more like strategically moving your army in a grand strategy sort of way, instead of the skirmish way. Which is kind of cool! Also, if you're playing it casually, then having some time to chill out between turns is pretty cool!
I'm pretty excited for this format and hopefully I can bring some of my KT friends into some bigger matches. I'm really hoping for an Imperial Fists box, but otherwise I guess I'm playing by the Blood Angels rules.
24:01 Great vid my dude, getting us peeps informed and pumped up is the right vibe. If there’s one place you’re gunna go deep on your hobby thoughts it’s here, don’t apologise. Gotta be kind you yourself bro, hardest working man in kill team ❤
I'm mildly excited and am prepping a couple of Combat Patrols. I kind of want to play 40k, and force org,options etc. has been a major barrier to me being bothered. A game format that lets me skip to having fun is genuinely very welcome.
It was the opposite for me.
Big 40k was my gateway drug into Kill Team.
I just enjoy the game so much more, plus it takes me forever to paint anything, so a squad is much less daunting.
Does anyone know what will happen with the existing Marine Combat Patrol ? I assume it will still be valid. For me, the existing box looks better than the upcoming one.
Exactly the same question here, I've got the Phobos box. My guess is it stays, because the new one is "Strike Force Octavian" rather than "CF Space Marines". It would be a huge error to have anything called a "Combat Patrol" still on retailer shelves that wasn't supported after what they've said.
@@jonrollason5709 I agree , and I hope you are right , as I only just got this box , Infiltrators double up as my Kill Team. If the guesses are correct , the new box is lacking models for me , and just not worth it.
I wasnt expecting a 5 man inferno squad unit for the SM box. Seems odd to have a half unit like that when you had a perfectly suitable 5 man unit with the Sternguard Vets. I cant imagine 5 flamer boys will have much of an impact considering their movement speed and the short range on their flamers. Everything else is fine though! About what I expected for a combat patrol. With this confirmed then, that means no Termies of any kind in the starter sets to keep this box selling. Sternguard will be in the elite edition starter set as the more elite unit followed by a 5 man inferno squad. The recruit will be just a 5 man inferno squad. The only thing now is what HQ is more premium, the Phobos Lt. or Apothecary to put in each set
I am really happy with the the new format, it will give new gamers an easy game mode to play, and let more experienced players play the game in a new interesting way which I really like.
Great content buddy, always like your very in depth appreciation of our brilliant hobby,
Nice one!!
This is 100% me, played kill team, have 2 combat patrols semi painted. Hopefully have them fully painted before 10th. Then grow a force for big 40k
I myself am building up a kitbashed Ironhead-Votann kill team, and will expand that into an Ironhead Votann Combat Patrol by kitbashing Ironhead Beserks, Ironhead Pioneers and an Ironhead Kâhl...
Might go further in the future, but the milstones ahead are "set in Stone"!
Grey Knights combat patrol! Baby carrier ftw!
Oh my poor Grey Knights. I'm shocked that they're one of the less popular factions in 40k!
But can I still make 500 point size armies I wonder… I kinda like that option. I like the option of combat patrol boxes, and that is fine, but I want to be able to learn making small armies
Well, you can make 500 point size armies. But GW said that you can play with armies of any size, but they will do a normal balance for armies with 1000+++ points and no less.
Anonycat has it right. You can do anything you want! However the smallest game size "supported" is 1k points (assuming you've decided that Combat Patrol isn't what you're after when iot comes to list building)
I am curious about Combat Patrol as I have the components of several within my collection. Hopefully it will be fun small scale and good for intro.
They idea of combat patrol sounds good. My only issue is my factions combat patrol is the most boring set of models on the planet and is the complete opposite of how I would want to build and play the faction. 😢
sure i will step up with my harleys, oh wait...
Ooof
Here's some food for thought. While we do have boxes now called "Combat Patrol" boxes... Obviously anyone who has the space marine or Tyranid boxes that currently exist are going to have to buy the new boxes ... They say they have balanced all the combat patrol boxes with each other... It almost sounds like they are talking about NEW combat patrol boxes. I have a feeling that all the current combat patrol boxes are going to be superceded by new ones. And the new combat patrol rules are ONLY going to apply to the NEW combat patrol boxes that we haven't heard about yet?
I just need to buy a Dark Apostle to have a CSM patrol. I got a chaos dreadnought as a gift. I'll pick up another army's box to learn 40K.
I really like the idea of CP and the accessibility it offers. 40k can be a bit daunting and easy to get lost which is why Kill Team appealed to me in the first place. I love that I can now almost naturally scale up in to 40k along with the simplified (“not simple”! 😂) rules. I’m all for it and will be getting stuck in to my WE CP soon!
5:00 Sounds like how Kill Team should be, so very much a step in the right direction for small scale 40k skirmishing.
GW made Boarding Actions: no tanks, no fly units, size of 2 KT boxes... 🤔🤔
A bit late, but I believe the combat patrol is going to be "my very first 40k", thats what it should be and there is nothing wrong with that.
My reasoning? I've never playerd 40k, only KT and have been doubting to enter 40k, despite te vehicles, if i had bought any of them, they would have just collected dust.
But now? That sororitas combat patrol is looking VERY viable.
I'd say, this is not a cheao hobby, more so to other countries, so I have to buy what I will play, and now I can.
No need to buy combat patrol to play with my friends. Now the box is perfect and only things that i care about is How to get it. 😅
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i'm currently more excited about Star Wars Shatterpoint and Malifaux, because unlike Gallowfall, I can actually get those. We'll see if they do a re-print and that might bring me back around to kill team. In the meantime, I still appreciate the information. Cheers!
Feels a lot like Infinity's Code One which is a solid onboarding tool but which gets left behind for the full game. I think if people want a faster infinity game they just play less points.
May be different for 40k, since CP is the only official support for 500 point games we're gonna get I think.
I don't think I have any combat patrols actually but I bet I have the contents of one or two from different sources. I like smaller 40k games and will give it a try for sure.
Question: will we be able to play combat patrol size games, but with other models than those that come in the combat patrol box?
I.e. can i play a combat patrol game with necron warriors and some destroyers? Or do i HAVE to play the models that come in the box?
Good question, but no you can't. Combat patrol is completely set. It's combat patrol Vs combat patrol with no flex in models
@@GlassHalfDead thanks for reply!
Tbh that changes my opinion about the game format somewhat. I would’ve like a little more flexibility. Maybe i’ll stick to 1000-1500 points games then.
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About to pull the trigger on a Genestealer Cults CP. Will let me play Wyrmblade (inc roster options, proxying acolytes for cult heroes). Been convinced by this game mode! (otherwise would have sought 2nd hand neophytes)
I have no interest in 40K. Been there and done that. If a friend ends up wanting to try Combat Patrol, I may be able to swing a Sisters of Battle CP, but I think that is the only one I have anywhere near the types/numbers of models needed (based on the images from that article).
The Death Guard Combat Patrol is awful.
This is my issue. Love Death Guard, but wow the combat patrol is one of the worst bundle boxes I've ever seen. 3 sets of the same boring monopose poxwalkers? A named character in a small points game mode? Hard pass.
@@machinamawatcher The high quality of the boarding patrol makes it more obvious, add to that it sold out almost immediately, not much chance of that for the Combat Patrol.
There will be a fair few tournaments in this format. I’m running one a week after launch. Shops will love this as a sealed format and the school organised play will be Combat Patrol.
My only advice is I purchased the Tyranids combat patrol when the codex came out and there was 36 Termagaunts in it! so keep in mind if you start a faction, maybe hit the rumor mill and keep an eye on your upcoming releases xD
I will be rebasing them all they cant stop me!
So much cuteness in a single box! 😍
Do we think this is replacing boarding action? I love the fact boarding action was using two sets of kill teams terrian/boards and was looking forward to them doing this with the new KT jungle season. Do you think boarding action was just for this year?
Why Combat Patrol if most KT players have enough ITD terrain for Boarding Actions...
Just because Boarding Actions isn't really its own thing. You could play 2k points on boarding actions terrain if you want OR you could play a combat patrol game on boarding actions terrain.
@@GlassHalfDead What do mean with "Its not it's own thing?" Its a mode with specific point limits (500) specific rules modifications (for example: no warlord traits, restricted unit roster), specific missions and a specific terrain setup.
Sure, you can houserule it to play 2000 points or use the combat patrol boxes and ignore the restrictions but that doesn't mean it's not it's own game mode.
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Question. Where can you find faction rules for chaos demons to play kill team?
In the Compendium if you want to purchase the old book. Most people tend to use battlescribe and Wahapedia though.
@@fredclasson7865 I couldn’t find kill team in the mobile version of BattleScribe
@@lilv3966 Battlescribe isn't really needed so much in this edition of KT, so has had a bit less support and uptake. I would recommend Wahapedia for rules :)
Combat Patrol for 9th was what convinced me that Corehammer will never be for me unless they bring the rules out of the 1980s. Nothing I've seen of 10th convinces me that they're even trying at this point.
Agreed, 10th is very much just more fo the same! whether that's good or bad is up to the individual, of course :)
Is this a different rules set from kill team or are all three games pretty much the same
Combat Patrol and 10th are the same core rules engine just with different list building rules. Kill Team is entirely separate :)
Combat Patrol is an absolute downgrade from Kill Team. You get less units compared to Kill Team, where you get 10-11 per box and can use AT LEAST 6 of that in a single game. Combat patrols get you 4-5 units, so you have a lot less options during the game. You also get less options in equipping those units and using CP. Also, when you want to move a unit, you have to move 5-10 models. If you want to attack with a unit, you have to attack 5-10 times. Kill Team allows you to make a lot more decisions (which in my book is the actual "playing the game") while allowing you to spend less time executing the mechanics, which is the boring part.