It's like Disney decided a space battle has to include thousands of ships because they had the special effects budget for thousands of ships, not because it made sense for the plot.
Jedwerd: The horse scene is actually good and has no plot points MauLer: They have horses. You have artificial gravity. You outclass them technologically by thousands of years. TRY TILTING THE SHIP
we have earth animals in the eu and in episode 1 esb and rotj so i don´t see a problem with space horses but the people that complained about that are ignorant to the fact that star wars had earth animals before the canon reset
Using space horses on top of the Star Destroyer was also genuinely stupid because the SD could have just tilted even just a little for the resistance's whole plan to f**k up.
Also the SD would have to be less than 6 km over the planets surfaces, as the horses and humans need no breathing equipment, and that is even just to move normally, these guys where fighting, jumping and running.
@@lennartj.8072 dude the ship was in atmosphere, if they tilted it then everything in the ship would also turn, thats like saying "if pirates are on our boat lets just sink the boat!"
Skip the ChatGPT and I could write my own trilogy that actually pays respect to Star Wars..... don't think I'd get it done quickly, but at least it's quality would reflect the time spent.
@@notmyrealhandle I agree it had potential, but I wouldn't call it good either. But then again, the prequels showed me that a trilogy can be more than the sum of its parts.
@@notmyrealhandle they should have stuck to georges script for the sequels with maul coming back and taking control alongside talon. woulda been sick maybe seeing the yuzon vong too. but nah, disney cant respect the original creators sadly, lol.
6:20 This is because Finn was supposed to be revealed to be force sensitive in this movie. But JJ Abrams forgot about that tidbit, and it went to the wayside. During the part with the sandworm when Finn told Rey "I have to tell you something," but he never said it, everyone thought he was going to tell Rey he liked her. But he was going to tell Rey he's force sensitive. JJ forgot to address that again later in the movie.
@@Lafuerza_Vno it was set up and forgotten in the same movie. Finn didn’t have any signs of force sensitivity in the other 2 movies, he only started showing signs in the Rise of Skywalker, but then they forgot to actually tell the audience that that’s what was happening at any point in the movie.
From the rebels perspective, Palpatine didnt "Somehow return" that is the writers perspective.. "Somehow palpatine survived" would be the rebels perspective. They didny watch him die, so their obvious conclusion would have been "I guess he didnt die when they thought they killed him" How observant of them! To just immediately realize this was a clone!
Also I have one last addition to top it all off which you forgot… The Star destroyers need a navigation field to help them get out. Earlier in the film the Sith casually send one Star Destroyer with ease to destroy Kijimi
Yeah the navigation signal thing made literally no sense, like what are they navigating through? The freaking clouds? Like point up and fly, it reminds me of the scene in the first Avengers movie when Nick Fury orders the helicarrier to be moved over water and the tech responds saying navigation is down and he asks where the sun is? Like this situation is so much more absurd because you know gravity and all pulling you down so just fly the freaking opposite direction. It just makes no sense that those ships couldn't leave the planet without some sort of navigation signal.
@@Deltasquadformingup they still have sensors they can still detect other ships. The ships already came up out of the ice, just keep going up in the same direction keeping the same distance between ships. They literally just need to go up. There are a lot of dumb things in the sequel trilogy but a ship not being able to leave the atmosphere of the planet because it needs a navigation signal has got to be the dumbest. Also people leaving a building is a bad analogy. A better one would be lines of people standing in a field. Their objective is in front of them, they just need to walk forward to reach their objective. The star destroyers were already in a formation, they just needed to keep going in the direction they had already been going in!
Two MAJOR points that make this stupid. 1. The charge and fight on the star destroyer. They are high in the sky, thousands of feet. Sorry, you arent fighting and running around in that thin air. 2. Even if everyone in the galaxy instantly decides to help. Were they all sitting in a system close by waiting? It would take days or even weeks to mobilise a force a fraction of that size... Ergh, so dumb.
@-JustHuman- ah, you don't know your Star Wars lore then. Even if it was instant, unless everyone from all over the galaxy was in a small area, all ready, fueled ships, ready to go, you still couldn't turn up in a few hours. Still take days to mobilise.
don’t forget about the fact that it’s a supposedly unfindable planet, AND ALL THE THOUSANDS OF SHIPS ARE FULLY FILLED WITH CREW MEMBERS to all the people that liked: i’ve never had so many people to speak my opinion to, so here is a list of things that could have improved the battle: 1. Palpatine lifted all the ships and then they needed navigation to orientate themselves 2. the star destroyers were patched up old ones that had previously been from galactic empire and there were only a couple hundred rather than thousands 3. the planetary destroying weapon had only one shot per ship and was charged from another kyber crystal (what powers lightsabers and the original death star) then they had to recharge 4. if the support from people around the universe was actually them paying large names to bring as many mercenaries as possible, exhausting the resistance money in the final battle 5. their transport ships wouldn’t have made it to the command star destroyers control point without being destroyed so they deployed the horses so they wouldn’t be jammed and their ships could land 6. finn knew the command star destroyed because he was originally a storm trooper and it was standard protocol (I stole this so sorry to whoever came up with this) 7. rey dies (nobody likes her)
This. Also imagine how much food and additinal support personell such a large fleet would require. So you need huge constant transports with materials/food, something that isnt easily hidden.
@@firestarter000001 Plus, for some reason, all the star destroyers are submerged in water, under the ice, which would make resupply that much harder. But you know, when on an unfindable planet, you NEED to be ready for that surprise reveal...
It's sad because you can tell the core group of artists/visual department put a whole lot of work and passion into the visuals. You can see how these films could have been good in an alternate universe.
in the old republic, the empire built their fleet over several centuries and the grand moff who gave the order didnt live to see even a fraction of it completed. how the hell did sidious build not just an entire fleet, but an entire fleet of star destroyers with the capability of destroying planets? this makes zero sense!
Tbf, they probably weren’t all the way destroyed when he found them. Yes, I know to find an entire fleet of star destroyers intact enough to repair and rearm is slim, but still. It’s just an idea
according to Disney the answer is "somehow", and if that doesn't satisfy, you're clearly a racist. 😂😂😂. I want Lucas to take back his story and make his Sequel trilogy, but it's getting late..
Bigger problem. How did he build 100 Star Destroyers on a single planet made of entirely of ice? Where did the titanium come from? What did those thousands of followers eat?
Did the writers forget that several of those "Planet Busting" Star Destroyers had already left Exegol and blew up a planet earlier in the movie? How did the Republic forget about them???
Can we talk about how this movie takes place in the course of 16 HOURS!! Hyperspace rules and Star Wars lore be damned, everything is thrown out the window for this movie. Hyperspace just casually becomes teleportation when we’ve been clearly shown time and time again that it’s not. They travel literally the entire galaxy in a big circle finding MacGuffins that ultimately lead nowhere. They tease the deaths of all the beloved characters multiple times only to just bring them back. And they introduce hyperspace skipping. If you thought hyperspace tracking didn’t make sense in the Last Jedi, that looks completely reasonable compared to shoving a hyperspace tracker and hyperdrive in a TIE fighter and having them skip across the entire galaxy. God I hate this movie so much. Star Wars just isn’t fun anymore after this movie came out because the galaxy and the lore is now just fundamentally broken.
I pretend like they never happened,in addition to literally everything else Disney produced. Rouge one was the only thing that was half decent, and it wasn't really a story that needed an entire movie for but I digress.
They at least made a handfull of mid and 2 good shows and 1 decent movie... unfortunately dispite that the Lore is still brocken beyond repair, beccause the other 80% of star wars stuff they made is shit. At this point they should just make the current lore a second legends and start all over. This simply shows how less disney executive involvent adds 100% quality compared to episode 8- 9.
I never understood how lightspeed skipping solved the fundamental problem. They can track you through hyperspace. They know where you're going. Why does dropping into and out of hyperspace in any way shake the tracker? It's not like the tracker has a set cooldown that we know of, but going _into_ hyperspace _does_ take a moment of time to prep (at least if you want to avoid crashing into a sun... which, by Rian logic, would probably destroy it), sooooo the TIE fighters just catch up to you, track you again, aaaaaaaand you're screwed. Instead of a hyperspace tracker, I always figured it would've made more sense that Snoke could just astral project onto the deck of the Radis and surreptitiously figured out where they were off to with no one being the wiser. It establishes Snoke as a powerful and intelligent threat. It would've set up Luke using the same power later. It would've even given Holdo an out for not explaining her plan to literally anyone if she can't say it out loud. And most importantly, that means that the knowledge of how to track somebody was a skill that lived and died with Snoke.
6:54 Because the concept of tilting exists. Because machineguns exist. Because air support exists. There's a reason we don't do cavalry charges anymore in settings that aren't large mobile machines controlled our enemies. Jamming the speeders is not a legitimate problem, it was invented in, and for, THIS SCENE. It's not a problem, it's a solution to the problem of figuring out an excuse to do a much stupider thing.
@@JunohProductions ok, lets not get it twisted. it definitely was not jjs fault that the sequels were this shit. it was rian and kathleen kennedys fault. ive seen quite a few movies from jj such as the star trek trilogy and i actually loved every second of them. and whadda ya know? just like on the star wars sequels JJ abrams didnt write the 3rd star trek movie and thats why it turned out bad. they went with a vision and then completely switched it at the last movie. the same as rise of skywalker. they went for a vision with jj, and the vision was completely screwed over cuz of rian jonhson.
Something I feel compelled to point out. Standard star destroyers can carry, at maximum, 72 TIE units of varying class. Meaning that the 1080 star destroyers on the planet, the Empire/First/Final Order should have had 77760 TIE fighters at their disposal. Never mind that each star destroyer should have had dozens of turbolaser battery AND ion cannons for defense. The "battle" of Exegol should have been an absolute bloodbath and Palpatine never would have had to stand up from his chair.
Bro i hate how the sequels could've been really good if they were written better, the effects would've looked really cool and if they had a good story to go with it, id watch them all the time
It's like that with everything and it's really sad. It's just like Obi Wan, Boba Fett, Mando season III the list goes on and on for Disney content. If you put a couple of Star Wars fans in a room they could've made something awesome and much better. Put me and my friends in a room and we could've wrote awesome sequels, but no instead we get Hollywood writers making good money who went to school for this, making garbage. It makes no sense.
@firingallcylinders2949 ikr, one day I was sitting down and I was bored so I spent all day thinking what they could've done to force awakens and I had so much fun thinking about watching it and then I remembered, oh yeah it sucks :(
@DylanThomason-q1n I agree, visually and artistically these films were mostly fine, with a couple exceptions. It's just the writers and the directors at fault, which is unfortunate.
The dumbest thing of the battle is that the star destroyers used ONLY ion cannons without activating any other offensive systems. Also i understand that most of the fleet needed the signal to coordinate the exit from atmosphere but the star destroyers on top of the formation could just go up without problem and activate their shields. Instead they stayed still even after the battle was obviously lost and got obliterated by the resistance
Come to think of it, the resistance could've just targeted the ships on the top of the formation, take them out, let the wreckages fall on to the ships below and trigger a chain reaction of giant debris rain.
@@dexnpy Or invading one of the star destroyers, then point its gun on exogol itself, after tell the resistance to go away, and fire. Bye bye Palpatine..
@@danielschoch4881 thing is they would all die too due to the explosion radius and also they didn't want kill ray and them but yea movie stupid and don't get why when the resistance was falling from the sky after being hit by the lighting aim their guns at at them as they falling to shoot at them to destroy them before they could get chance to geet power back
7:18 I strongly disagree. Like most of the trilogy, it looks good but makes little sense. A simple turn of a few degrees and the heroes and animals go falling off the right side, within seconds. No need for troops and a battle. No different than if an asshole jumps on the hood of your car while you're driving. Are you going to keep driving and send your friend out to fight him on the hood, or will you simply hit the breaks and send that asshole flying?
Not to mention there's a reason cavalry charges stopped being a thing in the real world after the invention of the machinegun and the airplane. It's a stupid set piece that was post-hoc justified by the invention of "speeder jamming."
@@bad-people6510 offensive cavalry remained active within various nations during the early years of ww2, (especially Russia) far after the entrance of machine guns and planes in ww1…not that I’m defending this movie in any way lmao
@@UniquelyAwful It didn't die out instantaneously. More rural theaters, places with less advanced technology, more isolated places, places with supply problems, it remained around for a while. This is a spaceship.
@@bad-people6510 bro what are you even yapping about. Even Germany at the start of the war, with the most advanced doctrines, and a "mechanized" force, had an insane amount of horse usage during the blitzkrieg lol. Later on they continued to use hundreds of thousands of horses for logi.
10:40 showed those ships even get there, it's supposed to be impossible to navigate there. You telling me like 20,000 ships just kinda followed the falcon there? Thru those tiny weird dangerous tunnels. It's infuriatingly stupid
It WAS a surprise back then. Avengers Endgame came out the same year (2019), and around that time, MCU was on the top in everything, where SW fell apart. When SW7 came out in 2015, Disney already managed to handle a franchise with a strong hand, connect everything with everything, and build movies upon previous movies without much of a problem. I expected the same here.
Yeah Like the haunted mansion They put the fucking hat box ghost next to the never ending hall Like Jesus Christ: if you don’t have a proper power source in the attic then at least put the animatronic in the cemetery or some point in the ride AFTER the seance scene The hatbox ghost appearing in full form before the seance conflicts with both the atmosphere AND the narrative being cited by the ghost host himself
The only thing about this movie I enjoyed was when everyone in my theater on opening day audibly got pissed off when Mary-Sues-A-Lot said "Rey Skywalker" It's the only time I've ever seen a theater only filled with rage and it was deserved.
You can easily make the battle more sensical (barely) by having the ships be Imperial-1’s instead of a new Xyston-class. For examples: “Where did Palpatine get an entire fleet?” They were mothballed Imperial-1’s from the early era of the Empire that were stashed away in case they needed a reserve fleet. “Why do they explode when the superlaser is destroyed?” Because Imperial-1’s were never meant to accommodate a superlaser, which required them to be directly wired to the core. Thus, when the superlaser is destroyed, it takes the entire ship with it. “Why don’t the star destroyers have shields up?” Again, because they weren’t meant to equip them, the superlasers were a massive drain on the star destroyers’ outdated cores. Essentially, they’re using the majority of their power just to stay in the air until they reach space. “Why can’t they take off through the rebel fleet?” Considering how outdated the Imperial-1’s are, the navigation systems couldn’t tell the difference between the fleet and a small planetoid. The ships’ safety measures wouldn’t allow them to jump through what it thought was a celestial body, thus forcing them to fight through the fleet.
You obviously put more thought into that than Disney ever did. Still wondering where the crews for these ships came from and what they are hiding out under the ice for years and years…
Also the death star obliterated a planet. These new weapons looked slightly more like they punched into the core and the planet cracked open due to planetary forces. Think new star trek without the red black hole fluid It just would have taken more time for it to happen. It would have explained wh much less energy was needed and they could have shown people fleeing the planet only to be shot by tie fighers or caught in the forces ripping thnplannet apart
Or something about the planet being a dark side nexus and having a constant lightning storm which will strike and completely drain any large ship with shields up.
7:28 On the space horse thing: It DOES make much less sense when one considers that they can simply assault the ship with fighters. Why use a ground invasion when you have arial units, which have been shown to be capable of taking down these Star Destroyers?
@@_dark.sider_ the Resurgent-Class was a powerhouse, hell, 2 of those things could go toe to toe with a Super-Star Destroyer such as the Executor or the Ravager. I highly doubt the resistance or the "Galaxy Fleet" (such a dumb name), could actually bombard that thing. That ship, which was also the command ship for Kylo Wren, was more heavily armed and armored than a regular Resurgent. So it kind of makes more sense for a foot-invasion.
@@geezersage751it can be argued that it might have been necessary to assault on foot i suppose even though it was a fragile antenna without shielding right? But besides that, they decide to do a cavalry charge... They transported these animals how many lightyears in the foresight that they would need them to run up the length of a ship. It's just seems so ridiculous. These movies have zero redeeming qualities I swear.
Am I missing something about jamming speeders being a thing? I distinctly remember that being part of the criticism of the space horses that the whole jamming speeders thing came out of nowhere.
Where the hell did they get the man power to power all those ships like I am pretty sure one star destroyer requires like at least a 1000 people to use it. No way the entire first order came in like freaking 1 and a half day bro.
👍 Well said! I was thinking the same thing at the time i forced myself to watch this crap Where does Palpatine the crews ? How does he get them to Exegol ? How does he get the Fleet supplied (Food) ? And then he burries the whole fleet under the ice. For how long did they stay under the ice ? What did they do while under the ice (some fanboy may argue that the went in to hybernation/freezed themself)
Not trying to say you’re wrong, you definitely right, but I think the excuse was that the planet had a population of sith cultists they used. Still pretty ridiculous when you imagine an empire sized military industrial complex hidden under a planet nowhere near the core worlds and the resources you’d need to build a fleet that size in UNDERGROUND shipyards. Also I’m pretty sure you’re lowballing the crew count of a Star destroyer by a light year.
@@codeman6261 Not trying to justify it but it was said that various assets both financial and military were being routed towards the Unknown Regions in the 30 years after ROTJ.
He was SUPPOSED to be. But it wasn't really confirmed. Especially in the movie, anyone can say anyone in the movie is Force sensitive but if the characters in the movie don't at least confirm to a certain degree.
@JustAGuy4U ...... huh? In a Lego movie? Lmao. Bro is that where your getting your info from? That's crazy. Remember the Lego movie that was about Rex saying that he thought Obi-Wan liked Ventress cause he was chasing her around all the time? Did that mean that he actually thought that? Bro it's a Lego movie. It's not meant to be serious or taken seriously either. So that's not even a good valid argument there.
I am a jedi , you are a jedi , everybodys a jedi. And with Ahsoka tv serie, it seems that if you realy really try, if you clench your buttocks hard enough, anybody can become force sensitive and a jedi...Jesus.
Can we ALL just "admit" that Disney intentionally & wilfully destroyed & murdered the Star Wars Franchise. Furthermore, did so in such an egregious manner it should be prosecutable as a "Crime Against Humanity". Thereby resulting in the immediate emancipation of the franchise back to the public domain & the evisceration of Disney.
Good video but I dont think you addressed the fact that all of those star destroyers had to be manned and crewed for years to be operational. That means it wasnt just Sidious there but also like thousands of storm troopers and workers that were just chilling on Exegol for years just to all get destroyed by the plot. The entire movie is just complete and utter nonsense with so many plot holes and rules just thrown out the window.
The crew of an ISD-1 is 37,000 before Storm Troopers. Let's assume that they automated the heck out of them and reduced that by half - 18,5000. With 1,000 ships, that makes 18,500,000 total crew. Let's say they reduced the crew requirement by 75%. That would still be 9,250,000 total crew. It's just trash.
The part with the horses was still dumb. They were riding horses......on the side of a spaceship......in space.......with no masks. What were they breathing?
@@liam4975 that makes zero sense. Technically the Star Destroyers were "inside the planet" as the Emperor buried them with full crews who just sat and waitied in the ground just so they could launch out of the ground. Were they still "inside the planet" after that?
6:42 Why didn’t the Final Order just rotate the ship to knock of the Resistance? A few people might lose their balance and equipment may fall but that isn’t a very high cost compared to losing the ship that guides the others.
@ ????? They didn’t change the name of the movie. That’s what the stormtroopers in red are a part of, the ‘Final Order’ just like how the First Order is a thing.
I know how Star Wars can fix the sequels, make Rey find out she is not the last Jedi, Ashoka's species can live to be 200 years old so Ashoka is still alive focus on Ashoka being the main character. The father the god of Mortis dies and Anakin replaces him. Also because of Anakin's death, the keeper of piece the Star Wars gods and entities have been too powerful and that is why Luke ran away because most of the Jedi got wiped out. Kylo Ren was also just adopted by Han and Leia but he was created 100% by the force unlike Anakin so he is way more powerful that is also why Rey was the last Jedi when Kylo became good and he did not become a force ghost.
I’ll even give you another unbelievable fact. In the Vader comics Vader finds exegol. It’s all being powered by a giant kyber crystal that Palps is beating up over and over to make it bleed. Can’t make it up!
Emperor Palpatine should have informed Rey that her parents were murdered by an infamous Rebel Alliance death squad that was led by Ochi of Bestoon who tracked the imperial family to Discount Tatooine
Yeah this made zero sense, like the pilots couldn't manually direct the ship up into space? This made even less sense than the ships in the last Jedi stopping in space because they ran out of gas, like that's not how space works!
@@PrescottPerspective If two ships accelerate at a similar rate and then one of them runs out of fuel (or reaction mass), it "stops" relative to the other one.
@ it's in space! objects in motion stay in motion. Running out of fuel wouldn't cause a space ship to slow down, if anything you wouldn't be able to slow down because you would have no fuel to slow down with. They're I. The vacuum of space. In the movie they show the ships running out of fuel just sort of listlessly rolling over as if they lost all directional control and then the first order catches up and destroys them. In reality if the ship ran out of fuel it would just keep flying along at the speed it was going when it ran out of fuel. This is why the whole premise of the movies key problem makes zero sense because it defies basic laws of physics. Sure there's suspension of belief but that only goes so far. They might as well ask us to pretend gravity doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. Also why didn't the first order just split their forces and have half jump to light speed and return at the rebels from the opposite direction? Honestly there's no explaining away this massive plot hole in the last Jedi without completely ignoring how objects move in space. Sure Star Wars has always played fast and loose with how space battles work but this was a bit too much to expect an audience to go along with.
@@Nickname-hier-einfuegenwhat???? No. The only way for the ship to STOP is if there was resistance in the form of air or even a really large rock. It wouldn’t look like it stopped either. If you stood on the moving ship and looked at the other ship, you’d see it still moving forward with you but you’d notice it start to rotate uncontrollably with every piece of debris hitting and tilting it. Then you might notice the ship flying into something because it would inevitably get stuck in a planet’s massive gravity well, and the ship would be orbiting that planet until it eventually fell into it. But the ship would NOT stop.
When I saw the scene with thousands of destroyers in the theater, I just thought that somebody in the CGI department got really crazy with "Copy-Paste" function.
Funnily enough, Palpatine blasting everyone with his force lightning was the most realistic thing in the movie. Since in legends, he could create force storms (they have a different purpose, true) which act as hyperspace wormholes throughout the galaxy. I guess, since his canon self was weaker, it does seem far fetched. That's probably why the ships were disabled and not destroyed
Palpatine could have just had a very short conversation with Kylo revealing the basics of what happened to create the Final Order, like telling Kylo that the same company (Kuat-Entralla) who made the Resurgences made the Xystons as well by mining the unknown regions for minerals and Kyber crystals and have had millions of clones bred up to crew the Star Destroyers and hid them on Exegol to avoid detection. Simple!
And even that was awful. The entire concept of those slow lumbering bombers existing at all is just stupid in a galaxy where a couple Y-wings with some proton torpedoes can take out an entire Star destroyer. Bombers are arguably already obsolete in our world and are rapidly being replaced by multirole fighter jets that can do everything old bombers like the B-52 and Tu-95 can do but way better. Why not just use a K-wing? It looks way cooler, is armed to the teeth with all sorts of bombs and ordinances, and it actually functions like we’ve been shown how bombers work in the Star Wars universe.
@@therealspeedwagon1451 Strategic bombers are not obsolete. They are long range missile trucks today. Multirole fighter cannot fly halfway around the world (they can only fly a few hundred miles without airborne refueling and even with refueling pilots can only be in tiny fighter cockpits so long). B-52s are heavily used but they no longer do carpet bombing but rather stand off hundreds of miles or even 1,000 miles to fire missiles or they drop smart bombs on people like terrorists. Large planes benefit from the cube-square law. They can carry a lot more fuel, backup pilots (plus toilets and even bunks), and payload a lot more efficiently than smaller planes. Strat bombers make sense for larger powers that want world-wide power projection. The US is not going to fuel up F-15s in Kansas and bomb some place say in the Stans nor can the US get naval planes from say the Red Sea there. However, B-52s or other strat bombers can hit targets with lots of stuff in under 24 hours... ANYWHERE on earth. Cruise missiles only have a range of 1,000 to maybe 2,000 miles so those can't get there either. I did the math on the bombing run in The Last Jedi and the bombers were moving slower than my Ford Mustang is capable of moving. Rian Johnson was going for the WWII bomber look and speed but didn't realize those bombers were ~10,000 feet above the ground and stuff on the ground below the bombers spanned tens of km. The dreadnaught in the movie was maybe 500 feet below and maybe 10 km at most. I used all the official specs and got a speed of 125 miles per hour for the bombers in the movie. These are space bombers and stuff in space has to move >10,000 miles per hour to orbit a typical planet somewhere close to earth's size and mass. 125 mph is half the speed of typical WWII bombers. Rian doesn't understand that those WWII bombers looked like they were moving slow because of how high they were.
@@welcometothedesert8034 Nope. Bombs drop due to gravity. There’s no gravity. Since you have to launch the bomb for it to go anywhere, you might as well just have a single launcher (or two if you want) to send the projectile forward, downwards, backwards, or two the sides. Why force the craft to get over the target when you don’t have to?
5:35 As far as I know, it was later confirmed that Finn was sligly force sensitive, this is what he was trying to tell Rey, but I can't understand why it wasn't revaled in the movie.
They didn’t reveal it because Disney wanted another billion dollars in 2019 as fast as possible even with all the money they made from Endgame and Infinity War the year prior
@@natsusatsujinki8342 Kylo lost to a completely untrained girl. Thinking that there is any kind of logic or real thought in the sequel trilogy is assuming too much.
Don't you know? All those guys that came to help played Fortnite, they heard Palpatine's announcement so they _knew_ he was back. THAT'S why they showed up this time!
I totally agree, the whole Disney Star Wars trilogy sequel was so poorly executed and planned it's mind-boggling. You would imagine a multi-billion dollar venture like this would have some basic planning and good idea of storytelling, but Disney fumbled this so hard. It's a textbook example of how NOT to do things 😆
Funny enough, they got handed Lucas's treatments of a whole sequel trilogy and just threw it onto the shelf to rot, refusing to make it while leaving it in their IP iron fist.
I watched the sequels in the theaters and never touched them again. I won't even watch scenes on RUclips. I've watched Revenge of the Sith and Empire again before watching the sequels. I honestly just treat them as non canon at this point.
To answer the age old question of how Palpatine returned and why JJ brought him back: He was doing fan service for people who'd read Dark Empire, a piece of Legends literature which most fans haven't even heard of, let alone read. This whole film can be summed up into one word: fanwank
You didn't mention how they got all the staffing for the star destroyers. They're all just fully staffed hiding under the dirt? The whole movie just seems like JJ Abrams watched 210-year-olds playing in the sandbox and took notes.
11:37. Its worse than that. It was supposed to be three directors but the third backed out after he didnt like TLJ. JJ stepped in at the last minute to finish the series.
The reason Finn knew the navigation signal was on the ship is because of the force. He is force sensitive and after the movie rey starts his Jedi training.
The Rise Of Skywalker is one of those movies where you can think about anything and realise it sucks. Never gace a thaugth about execol and I now agree this is one of the worst things in the movie.
The sequel trilogy/most disney SW in general has all the same problems the old expanded universe did: Same people in the same places, scale off, and Imperial remnants with superweapons of the week. I remember someone saying "oh they'll 'up the stakes' by having a million death stars"-and here come the Star Destroyers with their supercannons.
1:59 Post-Holdo maneuver, wouldn't it be possible to inflict that level of destruction just by attaching hyperdrives and droid brains to a bunch of asteroids and hurling them at planets?
Exactly, that gem of an idea made the whole galactic warfare and shipbuilding pointless and silly. Basicly everything could be destroyed by some sort of hyperdrives missiles, so any bigger ship was pointless.
I still don't understand why Palpatine would have thousands of star destroyers cramped into one little area instead of spreading them into a bunch of systems out it's just dumb. Also, what even was the point of the planet destroying weapons of the star destroyers like they all were destroyed and not one weapon was used what a waste of resources.
2:54 another thing that was really cringe to me in Disney SW is how they are trying to make 5“1 women as intimidating military villains just look at her Stewie as Darth Vader is more intimidating than this walking inch😭
One thing I immediately noticed on first watch that a lot of people don’t mention is that half the plot of the movie was trying to find the -holocron- “sith map” to lead them to Exogal because the rout to it was so obscure and treacherous. We are even SHOWN how dangerous the rout is in the movie. Yet somehow, thousands of ships of random nobodies are able just jump through it no problem? It’s an insult to the audience’s intelligence to essentially negate a major plot point like that.
6:00, and they even could have turned that into a really cool scene with Palpatine's need to create impending ships by making the command ship a new Super Star Destroyer, maybe the Eclipse even.
The reason they had a planet killing weapon on every ship was because palpatine was working on it for decade because he is a clone of the real palpatine.
4:30 This is pretty much exactly why I loved the movie when first watching it, but then the older I got the more I started to realize how little sense it made and how stupid the whole thing is. I usually just try to pretend the sequels don't exist and are just Disney unofficial non canon what if stories or just Chinese knockoff "Space Wars" or something with an unusually high budget.
Fully Agreed… well, except the animals running on the ship… so the carrier that brought all the animals was an arc? Carrying tons of water and haylofts full of hay? And what about the fecal matter!?
this is pretty useful. I'm slowly working on a fanedit that features Kylo as the protagonist and Rey as the antagonist... kinda. You have a good way of analysing and expressing what is wrong with these films.
I read that Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams felt it would be necessary to put Luke Skywalker on the back burner to prevent him from over shadowing the new characters in the new trilogy........that should have been a major red flag within itself for them.
Jedwerd, the funny thing about all of this is that the one scene you picked to be descent is actually horrible. That’s how bad this movie is. Let me explain why. Imagine you are a first order soldier and you see horses riding on the outside of your ship. What is the first thing you think to do? FLIP THE SHIP! Try spinning, that’s a good trick. They are not in space so there is gravity. Good video though.
If they flip the ship than the thousands of people and all the equipment goes flying too, which is why big destroyers never willingly flip over in all of Star Wars
@@Jedwerd Fair point, but I feel like they can lock gravity inside of the ship right? Its also probably worth it sacrificing a bit to get rid of the only force that can take your down
@@Jedwerd I think for travelling in space either you got artifical gravity invented, and your ship can flip however it likes, as seems the case in Star Wars in every movie to date, or everybody is in zero -g floating, like current era cosmonauts.
The reason how Palpatine built all the star destroyers is because hexagon is a old sith planet with the power of all of the sith and they have been preparing it for many many many many years
Can you imagine how much industrial capacity and personell would be needed to build and support a fleet like that? How much material would have to be imported from all the galaxy? Yet it all ahppened on some inhabitbale planet, with no population, and nobody knowing about it. "The power fo the sith" doesnt build fleets.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" stands at the apex of cinematic grandeur, the very magnum opus of modern cinema, nay, cinema as a whole . How wondrously simple, and yet, with such profound elegance. The words themselves "Somehow", "Palpatine", "returned" speak with such brevity, yet stir the soul with the ineffable mystery they impart. It is not for us to know the how nor the why, but rather to embrace the paradox: that, in some unknown and unfathomable manner, he hath returned.
My biggest issue with this is the fact Palpatine lifted about 1000 star destroyers. Being extremely generous those are about 150,000 pounds each. To lift all of that Palps basically had the power of a god. He could rip planets from orbit with a small thought.
Did the movie specifically say he lifted them with his own power? Or did he just give an order and all the ships raised up themselves? Also, it would be hilarious if he actually did do it himself. Because then being defeated by Rey deflecting some force lightning is even more idiotic.
@@firingallcylinders2949 the international space station is only 900,000 pounds. Which is incredibly generous for Star destroyers, but to actually lift about 1000 of these, just at the weight of the international space station. Would be about 900,000,000 pounds. To lift this without fatigue, struggle, or even making a sound of a struggle. Gives Palps the power of a god. With just this strength he could rip planets out of orbit with just the thought of it. Now saying the star destroyers more accurate weight being 900,000 tons, Palps would be 2,000 times stronger. He would be ripping planet clusters out of their orbit, and not show fatigue. While this sounds like hyperbole, I’d say the planet clusters would be quite difficult to do. Maybe even hurting Palps.
6:42 the only good part in number 8 is when Kyle ren screams “more……MORE!……..MOOREEEEEE!!!” This part really brought a tear to my eye as it was so emotional and heartbreaking.😭
If I'm not wrong back in the darth vader comic series it's revealed that palpatine was building these star destroyers way before , during episode v and vi (where the comic takes place), at least they told us that they actually took decades to build. (BTW I'm not defending this scene, it still fucking sucks)
I’m not downing your comment. What you said is plausible, but you shouldn’t have to read a comic to understand this movie. Also, it’s been like 30 years since. If you had the crews available then, they would all be very old now. A lot of the crew here don’t look old enough to have been here for 30+ years.
@jayblake682 they crew were the kids of sith cultist , former imperials , kidnapped children who were ment to be part of the first order but was given to the sith eternal instead
I’m 38. Discovered SW with the Special Edition (OG Stan here’s) at 11 and LOVED (still do) Episode 1 (fight me). I really liked The Last Jedi, but I still remember coming back from a midnight opening of The Ruse of Skywalker being pissed off. No movie ever did that to be before. It wasn’t a need to rage quit or anything, but just heading home and having to vent at how much of a 💩 this thing was. Also, I hated how the leaks were real. I had a tiny hope it wasn’t true, it wasn’t going to end with Rey Skywalker etc.
The thing is a good majority of the plot issues could have been fixed if Disney & Lucasfilm swallowed their pride and actually used the Expanded Universe. - Palpatine's Return: He's a sith force ghost - Achieves the same result and is better than 'he somehow returned'. 30 years of communing with the dark side as a ghost can also explain the power boost. - Exegol: An ancient sith world, records were wiped by the Jedi when the Sith Empire fell - Explains how nobody knew about it except Palpatine. Can also have a cool intro visual of jedi and sith fighting. - The Exegol fleet - Exegol is orbiting a Star Forge with the aid of the first order starts producing hyper-advanced star destroyers as a rapid pace. Also enables the planet killer weapons, even if they just devastate worlds instead of destroying them outright. - The navigation signal - is a dumb plotline and should be scrubbed, just have navigation be on the ships where it belongs. The fleet is being sent out one at a time at a rapid rate which eliminates to keep them all hanging around like sitting ducks. - The massive allied fleet - is the New Republic actually doing something in the sequels for a change and is more plausible than Lando just saying 'hey lets all go to Exegol' and it somehow working. - Palpatine's defeat - Luke and then Anakin's force ghosts help, Luke helping Rey and Anakin helping Kylo. Collectively they seal Palpatine in the holocron containing the directions to Exegol using the light and dark sides of the force. Better than Palpatine dying just because he couldn't turn off the lightning. - The ending - The new republic fleet does something (director can have fun here) and the Star Forge collapses into a black hole which rips Exegol apart and takes the Palpatine holocron with it. Rey and Kylo go on to build a new order that isn't jedi or sith but instead teaches the force in balance with both light and dark. Roll credits.
Jedwerd filling us with his lightsaber as always
Stop it, get some help
What a terrible day to be able to read the English language
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@@Jedwerd I feel your pain
@@JedwerdJust so you know, I think you misidentified Bespin as Coruscant in the last few minutes of the video
It's like Disney decided a space battle has to include thousands of ships because they had the special effects budget for thousands of ships, not because it made sense for the plot.
Somebody in the CGI department just went crazy with Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V.
@@ZachAttackIsBack I also think that Disney was experimenting with AI if I remember correctly…specifically using AI to kitbash ships together…
dude revenge of the sith did the same thing 😞
@@owbie0714 no
It's a Star Wars themed JJ Abrams movie.
Jedwerd: The horse scene is actually good and has no plot points
MauLer: They have horses. You have artificial gravity. You outclass them technologically by thousands of years. TRY TILTING THE SHIP
No we need to send troops to engage in a fire fight
awwwww... tilt
we have earth animals in the eu and in episode 1 esb and rotj so i don´t see a problem with space horses but the people that complained about that are ignorant to the fact that star wars had earth animals before the canon reset
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Star Wars wasn't meant for Disney 💀🙏🙏
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Disney is meant for kids 😭 . Then they literally watch episode 6 thinking Disney made it. (The anakin scenes are traumatizing for them) HAHAHAHA .
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Using space horses on top of the Star Destroyer was also genuinely stupid because the SD could have just tilted even just a little for the resistance's whole plan to f**k up.
Also the SD would have to be less than 6 km over the planets surfaces, as the horses and humans need no breathing equipment, and that is even just to move normally, these guys where fighting, jumping and running.
They probably needed a navigation signal for that
@@lennartj.8072 dude the ship was in atmosphere, if they tilted it then everything in the ship would also turn, thats like saying "if pirates are on our boat lets just sink the boat!"
@@owbie0714 Pretty sure the ships have artificial gravity always on
Me and ChatGPT can write a better movie than the Sequel Trilogy combined in 2 hours.
Skip the ChatGPT and I could write my own trilogy that actually pays respect to Star Wars..... don't think I'd get it done quickly, but at least it's quality would reflect the time spent.
Just writing this comment had you invest more thought in Star Wars than Disney.
@@notmyrealhandle I agree it had potential, but I wouldn't call it good either. But then again, the prequels showed me that a trilogy can be more than the sum of its parts.
I can do it in two minutes lmao
@@notmyrealhandle they should have stuck to georges script for the sequels with maul coming back and taking control alongside talon. woulda been sick maybe seeing the yuzon vong too. but nah, disney cant respect the original creators sadly, lol.
Lucasfilm before Disney: "There is a deeper story behind everything"
Lucasfilm after Disney: "Big ships go boom boom"
6:20 This is because Finn was supposed to be revealed to be force sensitive in this movie. But JJ Abrams forgot about that tidbit, and it went to the wayside. During the part with the sandworm when Finn told Rey "I have to tell you something," but he never said it, everyone thought he was going to tell Rey he liked her. But he was going to tell Rey he's force sensitive. JJ forgot to address that again later in the movie.
Was just about to say
@@alexvanmeter398same
Rian Johnson’s the reason they went away from that
I still wish Finn was the main character. His character had so much potential just to be sidelined
@@Lafuerza_Vno it was set up and forgotten in the same movie. Finn didn’t have any signs of force sensitivity in the other 2 movies, he only started showing signs in the Rise of Skywalker, but then they forgot to actually tell the audience that that’s what was happening at any point in the movie.
From the rebels perspective, Palpatine didnt "Somehow return" that is the writers perspective..
"Somehow palpatine survived" would be the rebels perspective. They didny watch him die, so their obvious conclusion would have been "I guess he didnt die when they thought they killed him" How observant of them! To just immediately realize this was a clone!
the rebels are actually the 1st order, while the 'rebels' are the government
Also I have one last addition to top it all off which you forgot…
The Star destroyers need a navigation field to help them get out.
Earlier in the film the Sith casually send one Star Destroyer with ease to destroy Kijimi
Yeah the navigation signal thing made literally no sense, like what are they navigating through? The freaking clouds? Like point up and fly, it reminds me of the scene in the first Avengers movie when Nick Fury orders the helicarrier to be moved over water and the tech responds saying navigation is down and he asks where the sun is? Like this situation is so much more absurd because you know gravity and all pulling you down so just fly the freaking opposite direction. It just makes no sense that those ships couldn't leave the planet without some sort of navigation signal.
How does that not make sense??? Makes sense to me. Its easy for 1 person to leave a building but if everyone is leaving their needs to be a plan
also 1 of those star destroyers needs thousands of crew members to operate. Who are they, and since when are they sitting below the ice waiting? :)
@@Deltasquadformingup they still have sensors they can still detect other ships. The ships already came up out of the ice, just keep going up in the same direction keeping the same distance between ships. They literally just need to go up. There are a lot of dumb things in the sequel trilogy but a ship not being able to leave the atmosphere of the planet because it needs a navigation signal has got to be the dumbest.
Also people leaving a building is a bad analogy. A better one would be lines of people standing in a field. Their objective is in front of them, they just need to walk forward to reach their objective. The star destroyers were already in a formation, they just needed to keep going in the direction they had already been going in!
@@PrescottPerspective Maybe its to navigate the red thing they had to go through in space
Two MAJOR points that make this stupid.
1. The charge and fight on the star destroyer. They are high in the sky, thousands of feet. Sorry, you arent fighting and running around in that thin air.
2. Even if everyone in the galaxy instantly decides to help. Were they all sitting in a system close by waiting? It would take days or even weeks to mobilise a force a fraction of that size...
Ergh, so dumb.
hyperspace in Disney Star Wars are instant speed, no need for jumplanes or navigation.
@-JustHuman- ah, you don't know your Star Wars lore then. Even if it was instant, unless everyone from all over the galaxy was in a small area, all ready, fueled ships, ready to go, you still couldn't turn up in a few hours. Still take days to mobilise.
@lukeclarke267 That's my point. Disney made it seem like travel time is instant and no problem. Which it isn't or didn't use to be.
@-JustHuman- ah, sorry I thought you were saying my point was wrong. 😅
@lukeclarke267 No, no I totally agree with you on the time and speed being all wrong. I was mocking Disney for not understanding Star Wars.
don’t forget about the fact that it’s a supposedly unfindable planet, AND ALL THE THOUSANDS OF SHIPS ARE FULLY FILLED WITH CREW MEMBERS
to all the people that liked: i’ve never had so many people to speak my opinion to, so here is a list of things that could have improved the battle:
1. Palpatine lifted all the ships and then they needed navigation to orientate themselves
2. the star destroyers were patched up old ones that had previously been from galactic empire and there were only a couple hundred rather than thousands
3. the planetary destroying weapon had only one shot per ship and was charged from another kyber crystal (what powers lightsabers and the original death star) then they had to recharge
4. if the support from people around the universe was actually them paying large names to bring as many mercenaries as possible, exhausting the resistance money in the final battle
5. their transport ships wouldn’t have made it to the command star destroyers control point without being destroyed so they deployed the horses so they wouldn’t be jammed and their ships could land
6. finn knew the command star destroyed because he was originally a storm trooper and it was standard protocol (I stole this so sorry to whoever came up with this)
7. rey dies (nobody likes her)
This. Also imagine how much food and additinal support personell such a large fleet would require. So you need huge constant transports with materials/food, something that isnt easily hidden.
the 🐁 SW trilogy gets even worse with each passing year(and now they’re talking about a Rey Palpatine trilogy coming in the near future WTF)!!! 😬
@@firestarter000001 Plus, for some reason, all the star destroyers are submerged in water, under the ice, which would make resupply that much harder. But you know, when on an unfindable planet, you NEED to be ready for that surprise reveal...
.... Behold the power of the Force!
J.J. Abrams and sci-fi doesn't mix.
7:04 imagine if the commander of the ship told everyone to grab onto something or put on steatbelts and tilted the ship
In summary the sequels suck
You’re too fucking nice!
Nah the star wars sequels are so bad, they deserve a new category of sucking.
It's sad because you can tell the core group of artists/visual department put a whole lot of work and passion into the visuals. You can see how these films could have been good in an alternate universe.
Preach bro
Force awakens wasnt bad. I know it was the same plot as a new hope but it had good moments and felt like Star Wars.
0:13 great now they're trying to drag TF2 into this mess.
Hon hon hon
So did anybody kill a red spy on their way here?
No?
Then we still got a problem.
PROTECT THE BREIFCASE
@ The enemy has captured our intelligence
A red spy is in the base?!
in the old republic, the empire built their fleet over several centuries and the grand moff who gave the order didnt live to see even a fraction of it completed.
how the hell did sidious build not just an entire fleet, but an entire fleet of star destroyers with the capability of destroying planets?
this makes zero sense!
Colossal skill issue on the Sith Empire’s part.
Tbf, they probably weren’t all the way destroyed when he found them. Yes, I know to find an entire fleet of star destroyers intact enough to repair and rearm is slim, but still. It’s just an idea
according to Disney the answer is "somehow", and if that doesn't satisfy, you're clearly a racist. 😂😂😂. I want Lucas to take back his story and make his Sequel trilogy, but it's getting late..
Bigger problem. How did he build 100 Star Destroyers on a single planet made of entirely of ice? Where did the titanium come from? What did those thousands of followers eat?
star forge
Did the writers forget that several of those "Planet Busting" Star Destroyers had already left Exegol and blew up a planet earlier in the movie?
How did the Republic forget about them???
Meh that's a problem for the next election.
Can we talk about how this movie takes place in the course of 16 HOURS!! Hyperspace rules and Star Wars lore be damned, everything is thrown out the window for this movie. Hyperspace just casually becomes teleportation when we’ve been clearly shown time and time again that it’s not. They travel literally the entire galaxy in a big circle finding MacGuffins that ultimately lead nowhere. They tease the deaths of all the beloved characters multiple times only to just bring them back. And they introduce hyperspace skipping. If you thought hyperspace tracking didn’t make sense in the Last Jedi, that looks completely reasonable compared to shoving a hyperspace tracker and hyperdrive in a TIE fighter and having them skip across the entire galaxy. God I hate this movie so much. Star Wars just isn’t fun anymore after this movie came out because the galaxy and the lore is now just fundamentally broken.
I just read the old EU books.
I pretend like they never happened,in addition to literally everything else Disney produced. Rouge one was the only thing that was half decent, and it wasn't really a story that needed an entire movie for but I digress.
The main people were meant to die (was in test screening).when it happened people walked out of theater
They at least made a handfull of mid and 2 good shows and 1 decent movie... unfortunately dispite that the Lore is still brocken beyond repair, beccause the other 80% of star wars stuff they made is shit. At this point they should just make the current lore a second legends and start all over.
This simply shows how less disney executive involvent adds 100% quality compared to episode 8- 9.
I never understood how lightspeed skipping solved the fundamental problem. They can track you through hyperspace. They know where you're going. Why does dropping into and out of hyperspace in any way shake the tracker? It's not like the tracker has a set cooldown that we know of, but going _into_ hyperspace _does_ take a moment of time to prep (at least if you want to avoid crashing into a sun... which, by Rian logic, would probably destroy it), sooooo the TIE fighters just catch up to you, track you again, aaaaaaaand you're screwed.
Instead of a hyperspace tracker, I always figured it would've made more sense that Snoke could just astral project onto the deck of the Radis and surreptitiously figured out where they were off to with no one being the wiser. It establishes Snoke as a powerful and intelligent threat. It would've set up Luke using the same power later. It would've even given Holdo an out for not explaining her plan to literally anyone if she can't say it out loud. And most importantly, that means that the knowledge of how to track somebody was a skill that lived and died with Snoke.
6:54 Because the concept of tilting exists.
Because machineguns exist.
Because air support exists.
There's a reason we don't do cavalry charges anymore in settings that aren't large mobile machines controlled our enemies.
Jamming the speeders is not a legitimate problem, it was invented in, and for, THIS SCENE. It's not a problem, it's a solution to the problem of figuring out an excuse to do a much stupider thing.
Well
1: horses have magnetic feet
2: they are blaster proof
3: they don't need oxygen
Like why is bro actually mad
So, basically "Random bullshit, GO!" creative decision.
The JJ way.
@@JunohProductions ok, lets not get it twisted. it definitely was not jjs fault that the sequels were this shit. it was rian and kathleen kennedys fault. ive seen quite a few movies from jj such as the star trek trilogy and i actually loved every second of them. and whadda ya know? just like on the star wars sequels JJ abrams didnt write the 3rd star trek movie and thats why it turned out bad. they went with a vision and then completely switched it at the last movie. the same as rise of skywalker. they went for a vision with jj, and the vision was completely screwed over cuz of rian jonhson.
Something I feel compelled to point out. Standard star destroyers can carry, at maximum, 72 TIE units of varying class. Meaning that the 1080 star destroyers on the planet, the Empire/First/Final Order should have had 77760 TIE fighters at their disposal. Never mind that each star destroyer should have had dozens of turbolaser battery AND ion cannons for defense. The "battle" of Exegol should have been an absolute bloodbath and Palpatine never would have had to stand up from his chair.
Big gun takes up space so less for defense guns and starfighters
@@adamorick2872 Big gun mounted to bottom of big ship. Defense guns mounted on top of big ship.
Bro i hate how the sequels could've been really good if they were written better, the effects would've looked really cool and if they had a good story to go with it, id watch them all the time
obviously? That's everyone's issue with the movies. They COULD have been great, but weren't.
It's like that with everything and it's really sad. It's just like Obi Wan, Boba Fett, Mando season III the list goes on and on for Disney content. If you put a couple of Star Wars fans in a room they could've made something awesome and much better. Put me and my friends in a room and we could've wrote awesome sequels, but no instead we get Hollywood writers making good money who went to school for this, making garbage. It makes no sense.
@firingallcylinders2949 ikr, one day I was sitting down and I was bored so I spent all day thinking what they could've done to force awakens and I had so much fun thinking about watching it and then I remembered, oh yeah it sucks :(
kids consume cheap content and it's hard for filmwriters to compete against what kids want so they do massive budget cuts.
@DylanThomason-q1n I agree, visually and artistically these films were mostly fine, with a couple exceptions. It's just the writers and the directors at fault, which is unfortunate.
"Your scene killed Star Wars, his scene killed Star Wars, MY scene killed Star Wars! _Are there any other scenes I should know about!?"_
“Meow.(her scene killed Star Wars)”
The dumbest thing of the battle is that the star destroyers used ONLY ion cannons without activating any other offensive systems. Also i understand that most of the fleet needed the signal to coordinate the exit from atmosphere but the star destroyers on top of the formation could just go up without problem and activate their shields. Instead they stayed still even after the battle was obviously lost and got obliterated by the resistance
Come to think of it, the resistance could've just targeted the ships on the top of the formation, take them out, let the wreckages fall on to the ships below and trigger a chain reaction of giant debris rain.
@@dexnpy Or invading one of the star destroyers, then point its gun on exogol itself, after tell the resistance to go away, and fire. Bye bye Palpatine..
Or writing a good movie plot in the first place
@@dexnpy That's actually a very good strategy and has been used before in the EU. Thrawn threw asteroids into Coruscant to besiege them.
@@danielschoch4881 thing is they would all die too due to the explosion radius and also they didn't want kill ray and them but yea movie stupid and don't get why when the resistance was falling from the sky after being hit by the lighting aim their guns at at them as they falling to shoot at them to destroy them before they could get chance to geet power back
6:42 what if they just tilted the star destroyer and let the riders slide off the rainy hull? 🤔
dude, they were in atmosphere. if they did that then everyone on the ship would fall
7:18 I strongly disagree. Like most of the trilogy, it looks good but makes little sense. A simple turn of a few degrees and the heroes and animals go falling off the right side, within seconds. No need for troops and a battle.
No different than if an asshole jumps on the hood of your car while you're driving. Are you going to keep driving and send your friend out to fight him on the hood, or will you simply hit the breaks and send that asshole flying?
Not to mention there's a reason cavalry charges stopped being a thing in the real world after the invention of the machinegun and the airplane.
It's a stupid set piece that was post-hoc justified by the invention of "speeder jamming."
You ram into a tree and see if the asshole flies into the trunk or if he falls over to the side! Duh!
@@bad-people6510 offensive cavalry remained active within various nations during the early years of ww2, (especially Russia) far after the entrance of machine guns and planes in ww1…not that I’m defending this movie in any way lmao
@@UniquelyAwful It didn't die out instantaneously. More rural theaters, places with less advanced technology, more isolated places, places with supply problems, it remained around for a while.
This is a spaceship.
@@bad-people6510 bro what are you even yapping about. Even Germany at the start of the war, with the most advanced doctrines, and a "mechanized" force, had an insane amount of horse usage during the blitzkrieg lol. Later on they continued to use hundreds of thousands of horses for logi.
10:40 showed those ships even get there, it's supposed to be impossible to navigate there. You telling me like 20,000 ships just kinda followed the falcon there? Thru those tiny weird dangerous tunnels. It's infuriatingly stupid
Disney ruining everything what a surprise
Even their own classics aren't safe
@LastGoatKnight the only classic they made was rogue 1
It WAS a surprise back then. Avengers Endgame came out the same year (2019), and around that time, MCU was on the top in everything, where SW fell apart. When SW7 came out in 2015, Disney already managed to handle a franchise with a strong hand, connect everything with everything, and build movies upon previous movies without much of a problem. I expected the same here.
Andor hello?
Yeah
Like the haunted mansion
They put the fucking hat box ghost next to the never ending hall
Like Jesus Christ: if you don’t have a proper power source in the attic then at least put the animatronic in the cemetery or some point in the ride AFTER the seance scene
The hatbox ghost appearing in full form before the seance conflicts with both the atmosphere AND the narrative being cited by the ghost host himself
The only thing about this movie I enjoyed was when everyone in my theater on opening day audibly got pissed off when Mary-Sues-A-Lot said "Rey Skywalker"
It's the only time I've ever seen a theater only filled with rage and it was deserved.
You can easily make the battle more sensical (barely) by having the ships be Imperial-1’s instead of a new Xyston-class. For examples:
“Where did Palpatine get an entire fleet?”
They were mothballed Imperial-1’s from the early era of the Empire that were stashed away in case they needed a reserve fleet.
“Why do they explode when the superlaser is destroyed?”
Because Imperial-1’s were never meant to accommodate a superlaser, which required them to be directly wired to the core. Thus, when the superlaser is destroyed, it takes the entire ship with it.
“Why don’t the star destroyers have shields up?”
Again, because they weren’t meant to equip them, the superlasers were a massive drain on the star destroyers’ outdated cores. Essentially, they’re using the majority of their power just to stay in the air until they reach space.
“Why can’t they take off through the rebel fleet?”
Considering how outdated the Imperial-1’s are, the navigation systems couldn’t tell the difference between the fleet and a small planetoid. The ships’ safety measures wouldn’t allow them to jump through what it thought was a celestial body, thus forcing them to fight through the fleet.
This would work
You obviously put more thought into that than Disney ever did. Still wondering where the crews for these ships came from and what they are hiding out under the ice for years and years…
maybe mix in some systems and safeties just not working from the lack of maintenance.
and not having the time and resources to fix everything
Also the death star obliterated a planet.
These new weapons looked slightly more like they punched into the core and the planet cracked open due to planetary forces.
Think new star trek without the red black hole fluid
It just would have taken more time for it to happen.
It would have explained wh much less energy was needed and they could have shown people fleeing the planet only to be shot by tie fighers or caught in the forces ripping thnplannet apart
Or something about the planet being a dark side nexus and having a constant lightning storm which will strike and completely drain any large ship with shields up.
The ships weren’t salvaged they’re an entire new class of star destroyer; the Xyston class. Which makes things even more ridiculous.
7:28
On the space horse thing:
It DOES make much less sense when one considers that they can simply assault the ship with fighters. Why use a ground invasion when you have arial units, which have been shown to be capable of taking down these Star Destroyers?
I think they could also just turn the ship upside down and the resistance would all just fall off
Because Resurgent-class battlecruiser were too powerful
@@_dark.sider_ the Resurgent-Class was a powerhouse, hell, 2 of those things could go toe to toe with a Super-Star Destroyer such as the Executor or the Ravager. I highly doubt the resistance or the "Galaxy Fleet" (such a dumb name), could actually bombard that thing. That ship, which was also the command ship for Kylo Wren, was more heavily armed and armored than a regular Resurgent. So it kind of makes more sense for a foot-invasion.
@@geezersage751it can be argued that it might have been necessary to assault on foot i suppose even though it was a fragile antenna without shielding right?
But besides that, they decide to do a cavalry charge...
They transported these animals how many lightyears in the foresight that they would need them to run up the length of a ship. It's just seems so ridiculous.
These movies have zero redeeming qualities I swear.
Am I missing something about jamming speeders being a thing? I distinctly remember that being part of the criticism of the space horses that the whole jamming speeders thing came out of nowhere.
7:05 "Tilt the ship 15 degrees" everyone falls off
Disney forgot it was creating a star wars film and was mislead into believing they were makimg a warhammer movie
Where the hell did they get the man power to power all those ships like I am pretty sure one star destroyer requires like at least a 1000 people to use it. No way the entire first order came in like freaking 1 and a half day bro.
That's what I'm saying! That was the most annoying part to me
👍 Well said! I was thinking the same thing at the time i forced myself to watch this crap
Where does Palpatine the crews ? How does he get them to Exegol ? How does he get the Fleet supplied (Food) ?
And then he burries the whole fleet under the ice. For how long did they stay under the ice ? What did they do while under the ice (some fanboy may argue that the went in to hybernation/freezed themself)
Not trying to say you’re wrong, you definitely right, but I think the excuse was that the planet had a population of sith cultists they used. Still pretty ridiculous when you imagine an empire sized military industrial complex hidden under a planet nowhere near the core worlds and the resources you’d need to build a fleet that size in UNDERGROUND shipyards. Also I’m pretty sure you’re lowballing the crew count of a Star destroyer by a light year.
@@codeman6261 Not trying to justify it but it was said that various assets both financial and military were being routed towards the Unknown Regions in the 30 years after ROTJ.
@@codeman6261 It's like Antarctica suddenly revealed it's actually a sovereign nation with the greatest standing military in history
Really appreciate how I never need to speed your videos up. Great content man
5:32 about that...Finn was apparently force sensitive. You did not catch that in the movie? Me neither. I just know it from interview lmao
The idea of finn being force sensitive was scraped in this movie or earlier ( i don't remember)
He was SUPPOSED to be. But it wasn't really confirmed. Especially in the movie, anyone can say anyone in the movie is Force sensitive but if the characters in the movie don't at least confirm to a certain degree.
@@UmieeYasha it was actually confirmed that he is force snsitive in a Lego Holiday Special movie. Rey was training him and he got a lightsaber
@JustAGuy4U ...... huh? In a Lego movie? Lmao. Bro is that where your getting your info from? That's crazy. Remember the Lego movie that was about Rex saying that he thought Obi-Wan liked Ventress cause he was chasing her around all the time? Did that mean that he actually thought that? Bro it's a Lego movie. It's not meant to be serious or taken seriously either. So that's not even a good valid argument there.
I am a jedi , you are a jedi , everybodys a jedi. And with Ahsoka tv serie, it seems that if you realy really try, if you clench your buttocks hard enough, anybody can become force sensitive and a jedi...Jesus.
Can we ALL just "admit" that Disney intentionally & wilfully destroyed & murdered the Star Wars Franchise. Furthermore, did so in such an egregious manner it should be prosecutable as a "Crime Against Humanity". Thereby resulting in the immediate emancipation of the franchise back to the public domain & the evisceration of Disney.
Good video but I dont think you addressed the fact that all of those star destroyers had to be manned and crewed for years to be operational. That means it wasnt just Sidious there but also like thousands of storm troopers and workers that were just chilling on Exegol for years just to all get destroyed by the plot. The entire movie is just complete and utter nonsense with so many plot holes and rules just thrown out the window.
The crew of an ISD-1 is 37,000 before Storm Troopers. Let's assume that they automated the heck out of them and reduced that by half - 18,5000. With 1,000 ships, that makes 18,500,000 total crew. Let's say they reduced the crew requirement by 75%. That would still be 9,250,000 total crew. It's just trash.
9:02 wait how the hell did they find planet if there were only two maps or smthng 😂😂
The part with the horses was still dumb. They were riding horses......on the side of a spaceship......in space.......with no masks. What were they breathing?
they were inside a planet, not in space
@@liam4975 that makes zero sense. Technically the Star Destroyers were "inside the planet" as the Emperor buried them with full crews who just sat and waitied in the ground just so they could launch out of the ground. Were they still "inside the planet" after that?
@@Steeleye50 yep, pretty much
@@Steeleye50 Yeah they were inside the planets atmosphere
@@L.K.G1999 Yeah, and that "atmosphere" must have been filled with methane, cause it's full of @#E@(!
2:30 because Sidious had the power of evil on his side. It’s really efficient
6:42 Why didn’t the Final Order just rotate the ship to knock of the Resistance? A few people might lose their balance and equipment may fall but that isn’t a very high cost compared to losing the ship that guides the others.
wait, "the FINAL order" they changed the name for the 3rd movie? ....so dumb....
@ ????? They didn’t change the name of the movie. That’s what the stormtroopers in red are a part of, the ‘Final Order’ just like how the First Order is a thing.
What do you mean horses have magnetic feet everyone knows this that's why they where horse shoes
@stephenredmond3739 Sorry? I don’t understand what you’re saying.
@stephenredmond3739 Are they bulletproof?
I know how Star Wars can fix the sequels, make Rey find out she is not the last Jedi, Ashoka's species can live to be 200 years old so Ashoka is still alive focus on Ashoka being the main character. The father the god of Mortis dies and Anakin replaces him. Also because of Anakin's death, the keeper of piece the Star Wars gods and entities have been too powerful and that is why Luke ran away because most of the Jedi got wiped out. Kylo Ren was also just adopted by Han and Leia but he was created 100% by the force unlike Anakin so he is way more powerful that is also why Rey was the last Jedi when Kylo became good and he did not become a force ghost.
I’ll even give you another unbelievable fact. In the Vader comics Vader finds exegol. It’s all being powered by a giant kyber crystal that Palps is beating up over and over to make it bleed. Can’t make it up!
Emperor Palpatine should have informed Rey that her parents were murdered by an infamous Rebel Alliance death squad that was led by Ochi of Bestoon who tracked the imperial family to Discount Tatooine
Don't forget that, according to Poe, the reason for the nav tower is "The ships can't tell which way is up"🤣🤣🤣
Yeah this made zero sense, like the pilots couldn't manually direct the ship up into space? This made even less sense than the ships in the last Jedi stopping in space because they ran out of gas, like that's not how space works!
The entire trilogy dont make sense @@PrescottPerspective
@@PrescottPerspective If two ships accelerate at a similar rate and then one of them runs out of fuel (or reaction mass), it "stops" relative to the other one.
@ it's in space! objects in motion stay in motion. Running out of fuel wouldn't cause a space ship to slow down, if anything you wouldn't be able to slow down because you would have no fuel to slow down with. They're I. The vacuum of space. In the movie they show the ships running out of fuel just sort of listlessly rolling over as if they lost all directional control and then the first order catches up and destroys them. In reality if the ship ran out of fuel it would just keep flying along at the speed it was going when it ran out of fuel. This is why the whole premise of the movies key problem makes zero sense because it defies basic laws of physics. Sure there's suspension of belief but that only goes so far. They might as well ask us to pretend gravity doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe.
Also why didn't the first order just split their forces and have half jump to light speed and return at the rebels from the opposite direction? Honestly there's no explaining away this massive plot hole in the last Jedi without completely ignoring how objects move in space. Sure Star Wars has always played fast and loose with how space battles work but this was a bit too much to expect an audience to go along with.
@@Nickname-hier-einfuegenwhat???? No. The only way for the ship to STOP is if there was resistance in the form of air or even a really large rock. It wouldn’t look like it stopped either. If you stood on the moving ship and looked at the other ship, you’d see it still moving forward with you but you’d notice it start to rotate uncontrollably with every piece of debris hitting and tilting it. Then you might notice the ship flying into something because it would inevitably get stuck in a planet’s massive gravity well, and the ship would be orbiting that planet until it eventually fell into it. But the ship would NOT stop.
When I saw the scene with thousands of destroyers in the theater, I just thought that somebody in the CGI department got really crazy with "Copy-Paste" function.
My dad forced me to watch the rise of trash I mean the rise of skywalker
Was it a punishment? I mean I don’t see any other reasoning to
I asked my dad to watch this and he asked if I hated him.
That’s some Guantanamo Bay levels of torture.
I'm sorry for you my friend. Forcing someone to watch Rise or the Shits is so heinous that even CPS would be disgusted.
the rise of shitwalker
Funnily enough, Palpatine blasting everyone with his force lightning was the most realistic thing in the movie. Since in legends, he could create force storms (they have a different purpose, true) which act as hyperspace wormholes throughout the galaxy. I guess, since his canon self was weaker, it does seem far fetched. That's probably why the ships were disabled and not destroyed
0:18 more like rey fakewalker and the movie name should be the rise of fraudwalker
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Palpatine could have just had a very short conversation with Kylo revealing the basics of what happened to create the Final Order, like telling Kylo that the same company (Kuat-Entralla) who made the Resurgences made the Xystons as well by mining the unknown regions for minerals and Kyber crystals and have had millions of clones bred up to crew the Star Destroyers and hid them on Exegol to avoid detection. Simple!
The only actual space battle we got in The Sequels was that BS bomber scene from TLJ.
And even that was awful. The entire concept of those slow lumbering bombers existing at all is just stupid in a galaxy where a couple Y-wings with some proton torpedoes can take out an entire Star destroyer. Bombers are arguably already obsolete in our world and are rapidly being replaced by multirole fighter jets that can do everything old bombers like the B-52 and Tu-95 can do but way better. Why not just use a K-wing? It looks way cooler, is armed to the teeth with all sorts of bombs and ordinances, and it actually functions like we’ve been shown how bombers work in the Star Wars universe.
if ur talking ab the bombs dropping there’s literally a real world and star wars explanation that makes sense
@@welcometothedesert8034 it's in space, there is no gravity to make them drop
@@therealspeedwagon1451 Strategic bombers are not obsolete. They are long range missile trucks today. Multirole fighter cannot fly halfway around the world (they can only fly a few hundred miles without airborne refueling and even with refueling pilots can only be in tiny fighter cockpits so long). B-52s are heavily used but they no longer do carpet bombing but rather stand off hundreds of miles or even 1,000 miles to fire missiles or they drop smart bombs on people like terrorists. Large planes benefit from the cube-square law. They can carry a lot more fuel, backup pilots (plus toilets and even bunks), and payload a lot more efficiently than smaller planes. Strat bombers make sense for larger powers that want world-wide power projection. The US is not going to fuel up F-15s in Kansas and bomb some place say in the Stans nor can the US get naval planes from say the Red Sea there. However, B-52s or other strat bombers can hit targets with lots of stuff in under 24 hours... ANYWHERE on earth. Cruise missiles only have a range of 1,000 to maybe 2,000 miles so those can't get there either.
I did the math on the bombing run in The Last Jedi and the bombers were moving slower than my Ford Mustang is capable of moving. Rian Johnson was going for the WWII bomber look and speed but didn't realize those bombers were ~10,000 feet above the ground and stuff on the ground below the bombers spanned tens of km. The dreadnaught in the movie was maybe 500 feet below and maybe 10 km at most. I used all the official specs and got a speed of 125 miles per hour for the bombers in the movie. These are space bombers and stuff in space has to move >10,000 miles per hour to orbit a typical planet somewhere close to earth's size and mass.
125 mph is half the speed of typical WWII bombers. Rian doesn't understand that those WWII bombers looked like they were moving slow because of how high they were.
@@welcometothedesert8034
Nope. Bombs drop due to gravity. There’s no gravity. Since you have to launch the bomb for it to go anywhere, you might as well just have a single launcher (or two if you want) to send the projectile forward, downwards, backwards, or two the sides. Why force the craft to get over the target when you don’t have to?
Palatine rebuilt his fleet with a BOX OF SCRAPS
5:15 fucking cancer 😂😂😂
He read the script
5:35 As far as I know, it was later confirmed that Finn was sligly force sensitive, this is what he was trying to tell Rey, but I can't understand why it wasn't revaled in the movie.
They didn’t reveal it because Disney wanted another billion dollars in 2019 as fast as possible even with all the money they made from Endgame and Infinity War the year prior
@@thelastronin_studiokinda right, but it was kept unknown so they could make a spin off movie AND ANOTHER TRILOGY
@@Greenthero laughs in E3 Demo: “incredible”
It was self evident. How else could he last more than a second against Kylo?
@@natsusatsujinki8342 Kylo lost to a completely untrained girl. Thinking that there is any kind of logic or real thought in the sequel trilogy is assuming too much.
Don't you know? All those guys that came to help played Fortnite, they heard Palpatine's announcement so they _knew_ he was back. THAT'S why they showed up this time!
I totally agree, the whole Disney Star Wars trilogy sequel was so poorly executed and planned it's mind-boggling.
You would imagine a multi-billion dollar venture like this would have some basic planning and good idea of storytelling, but Disney fumbled this so hard.
It's a textbook example of how NOT to do things 😆
Funny enough, they got handed Lucas's treatments of a whole sequel trilogy and just threw it onto the shelf to rot, refusing to make it while leaving it in their IP iron fist.
There were about 1000 other things that happened long before the Exegol thing, that ruined Disney’s interpretation of Star Wars.
The Force Awakening - you can watch
The Last Jedi - hard to watch
The Rise of Skywalker - Impossible to watch
and the only reason u can watch the force awakens is that its a bad copy and paste of a new hope
I watched the sequels in the theaters and never touched them again. I won't even watch scenes on RUclips. I've watched Revenge of the Sith and Empire again before watching the sequels. I honestly just treat them as non canon at this point.
To answer the age old question of how Palpatine returned and why JJ brought him back:
He was doing fan service for people who'd read Dark Empire, a piece of Legends literature which most fans haven't even heard of, let alone read.
This whole film can be summed up into one word: fanwank
Don't forget Jedward, when Palpatine used his force lightning, the star destroyers could have opened fire on the resistances ships
You know what would have been cool: if the Emperor utilitised the Holdo Maneuver to turn Star Destroyers into Planet Killing Kamikaze Star Ships.
You didn't mention how they got all the staffing for the star destroyers. They're all just fully staffed hiding under the dirt? The whole movie just seems like JJ Abrams watched 210-year-olds playing in the sandbox and took notes.
11:37. Its worse than that. It was supposed to be three directors but the third backed out after he didnt like TLJ. JJ stepped in at the last minute to finish the series.
7:54 the reason is in thickness, the ship armour is very thick in comparison to a normal door.
The reason Finn knew the navigation signal was on the ship is because of the force. He is force sensitive and after the movie rey starts his Jedi training.
The Rise Of Skywalker is one of those movies where you can think about anything and realise it sucks. Never gace a thaugth about execol and I now agree this is one of the worst things in the movie.
The sequel trilogy/most disney SW in general has all the same problems the old expanded universe did: Same people in the same places, scale off, and Imperial remnants with superweapons of the week.
I remember someone saying "oh they'll 'up the stakes' by having a million death stars"-and here come the Star Destroyers with their supercannons.
1:59 Post-Holdo maneuver, wouldn't it be possible to inflict that level of destruction just by attaching hyperdrives and droid brains to a bunch of asteroids and hurling them at planets?
Exactly, that gem of an idea made the whole galactic warfare and shipbuilding pointless and silly. Basicly everything could be destroyed by some sort of hyperdrives missiles, so any bigger ship was pointless.
They would have to bypass shields … oh wait!!!! 😂
I still don't understand why Palpatine would have thousands of star destroyers cramped into one little area instead of spreading them into a bunch of systems out it's just dumb. Also, what even was the point of the planet destroying weapons of the star destroyers like they all were destroyed and not one weapon was used what a waste of resources.
2:25, how did the first order have so many resources in the first place? That makes no sense too
2:54 another thing that was really cringe to me in Disney SW is how they are trying to make 5“1 women as intimidating military villains just look at her Stewie as Darth Vader is more intimidating than this walking inch😭
One thing I immediately noticed on first watch that a lot of people don’t mention is that half the plot of the movie was trying to find the -holocron- “sith map” to lead them to Exogal because the rout to it was so obscure and treacherous. We are even SHOWN how dangerous the rout is in the movie. Yet somehow, thousands of ships of random nobodies are able just jump through it no problem? It’s an insult to the audience’s intelligence to essentially negate a major plot point like that.
Bro star wars wasn't meant for Disney 💀💀🙏🙏
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Exactly
6:00, and they even could have turned that into a really cool scene with Palpatine's need to create impending ships by making the command ship a new Super Star Destroyer, maybe the Eclipse even.
You know it’s a good day when jedward posts
Yes sir
pretty low standard
The reason they had a planet killing weapon on every ship was because palpatine was working on it for decade because he is a clone of the real palpatine.
4:30 This is pretty much exactly why I loved the movie when first watching it, but then the older I got the more I started to realize how little sense it made and how stupid the whole thing is.
I usually just try to pretend the sequels don't exist and are just Disney unofficial non canon what if stories or just Chinese knockoff "Space Wars" or something with an unusually high budget.
Fully Agreed… well, except the animals running on the ship… so the carrier that brought all the animals was an arc? Carrying tons of water and haylofts full of hay? And what about the fecal matter!?
They turned the fecal matter into the script
The only good part of the scene is that you can see the ghost for a brief moment
No one gives a fuck about the ghost
this is pretty useful. I'm slowly working on a fanedit that features Kylo as the protagonist and Rey as the antagonist... kinda. You have a good way of analysing and expressing what is wrong with these films.
'here is coruscant'
- Jedwerd 13:22
Bespin actually. Lol
Wow, Cloud City! The place Luke and the gang met Lando and Han got cemented that is definitely on Coruscant!
I read that Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams felt it would be necessary to put Luke Skywalker on the back burner to prevent him from over shadowing the new characters in the new trilogy........that should have been a major red flag within itself for them.
Rey Skywalker will always be last in my book
Omg hi I'm a fan
Yeah bro. Except it's Palatine. (Also, I love all ur videos)
This intro is similar to his, the battle of Crait is the worst scene of Star Wars
Jedwerd, the funny thing about all of this is that the one scene you picked to be descent is actually horrible. That’s how bad this movie is. Let me explain why. Imagine you are a first order soldier and you see horses riding on the outside of your ship. What is the first thing you think to do? FLIP THE SHIP! Try spinning, that’s a good trick. They are not in space so there is gravity. Good video though.
If they flip the ship than the thousands of people and all the equipment goes flying too, which is why big destroyers never willingly flip over in all of Star Wars
@@JedwerdI'd say a slight tilt would accomplish the job, just watch them all going sliding.
@@Jedwerd Fair point, but I feel like they can lock gravity inside of the ship right? Its also probably worth it sacrificing a bit to get rid of the only force that can take your down
@@Jedwerd I think for travelling in space either you got artifical gravity invented, and your ship can flip however it likes, as seems the case in Star Wars in every movie to date, or everybody is in zero -g floating, like current era cosmonauts.
@@Jedwerd ok all they had to do was roll the port side 30 degrees. The resistance falls thousands of feet to their death.
The reason how Palpatine built all the star destroyers is because hexagon is a old sith planet with the power of all of the sith and they have been preparing it for many many many many years
Can you imagine how much industrial capacity and personell would be needed to build and support a fleet like that? How much material would have to be imported from all the galaxy? Yet it all ahppened on some inhabitbale planet, with no population, and nobody knowing about it. "The power fo the sith" doesnt build fleets.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned" stands at the apex of cinematic grandeur, the very magnum opus of modern cinema, nay, cinema as a whole . How wondrously simple, and yet, with such profound elegance. The words themselves "Somehow", "Palpatine", "returned" speak with such brevity, yet stir the soul with the ineffable mystery they impart. It is not for us to know the how nor the why, but rather to embrace the paradox: that, in some unknown and unfathomable manner, he hath returned.
13:14 it's like a child wrote it.
People shat too much on Rian and forgot just how much worse it was with JJ
Why are all the clips in like 480p. ugh.
Lastly the ships at the end blow up because the resistance destroys all remaining first order ships
My biggest issue with this is the fact Palpatine lifted about 1000 star destroyers. Being extremely generous those are about 150,000 pounds each. To lift all of that Palps basically had the power of a god. He could rip planets from orbit with a small thought.
Did the movie specifically say he lifted them with his own power? Or did he just give an order and all the ships raised up themselves?
Also, it would be hilarious if he actually did do it himself. Because then being defeated by Rey deflecting some force lightning is even more idiotic.
@@Gunnar001 it has a scene of him lifting his hands, and then shows the star destroyers rise.
I think you meant 150,000 tons
@@firingallcylinders2949 the international space station is only 900,000 pounds. Which is incredibly generous for Star destroyers, but to actually lift about 1000 of these, just at the weight of the international space station. Would be about 900,000,000 pounds. To lift this without fatigue, struggle, or even making a sound of a struggle. Gives Palps the power of a god. With just this strength he could rip planets out of orbit with just the thought of it. Now saying the star destroyers more accurate weight being 900,000 tons, Palps would be 2,000 times stronger. He would be ripping planet clusters out of their orbit, and not show fatigue. While this sounds like hyperbole, I’d say the planet clusters would be quite difficult to do. Maybe even hurting Palps.
@@scourged-66 what are you even saying? Star destroyer bridges alone probably weigh 150,000 lbs lol
6:42 the only good part in number 8 is when Kyle ren screams “more……MORE!……..MOOREEEEEE!!!” This part really brought a tear to my eye as it was so emotional and heartbreaking.😭
If I'm not wrong back in the darth vader comic series it's revealed that palpatine was building these star destroyers way before , during episode v and vi (where the comic takes place), at least they told us that they actually took decades to build. (BTW I'm not defending this scene, it still fucking sucks)
I’m not downing your comment. What you said is plausible, but you shouldn’t have to read a comic to understand this movie. Also, it’s been like 30 years since. If you had the crews available then, they would all be very old now. A lot of the crew here don’t look old enough to have been here for 30+ years.
@jayblake682 true, that is a very good counter point
@jayblake682 they crew were the kids of sith cultist , former imperials , kidnapped children who were ment to be part of the first order but was given to the sith eternal instead
I’m 38. Discovered SW with the Special Edition (OG Stan here’s) at 11 and LOVED (still do) Episode 1 (fight me).
I really liked The Last Jedi, but I still remember coming back from a midnight opening of The Ruse of Skywalker being pissed off. No movie ever did that to be before. It wasn’t a need to rage quit or anything, but just heading home and having to vent at how much of a 💩 this thing was. Also, I hated how the
leaks were real. I had a tiny hope it wasn’t true, it wasn’t going to end with Rey Skywalker etc.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it ahh scene
The thing is a good majority of the plot issues could have been fixed if Disney & Lucasfilm swallowed their pride and actually used the Expanded Universe.
- Palpatine's Return: He's a sith force ghost - Achieves the same result and is better than 'he somehow returned'. 30 years of communing with the dark side as a ghost can also explain the power boost.
- Exegol: An ancient sith world, records were wiped by the Jedi when the Sith Empire fell - Explains how nobody knew about it except Palpatine. Can also have a cool intro visual of jedi and sith fighting.
- The Exegol fleet - Exegol is orbiting a Star Forge with the aid of the first order starts producing hyper-advanced star destroyers as a rapid pace. Also enables the planet killer weapons, even if they just devastate worlds instead of destroying them outright.
- The navigation signal - is a dumb plotline and should be scrubbed, just have navigation be on the ships where it belongs. The fleet is being sent out one at a time at a rapid rate which eliminates to keep them all hanging around like sitting ducks.
- The massive allied fleet - is the New Republic actually doing something in the sequels for a change and is more plausible than Lando just saying 'hey lets all go to Exegol' and it somehow working.
- Palpatine's defeat - Luke and then Anakin's force ghosts help, Luke helping Rey and Anakin helping Kylo. Collectively they seal Palpatine in the holocron containing the directions to Exegol using the light and dark sides of the force. Better than Palpatine dying just because he couldn't turn off the lightning.
- The ending - The new republic fleet does something (director can have fun here) and the Star Forge collapses into a black hole which rips Exegol apart and takes the Palpatine holocron with it. Rey and Kylo go on to build a new order that isn't jedi or sith but instead teaches the force in balance with both light and dark. Roll credits.
3:16 my mind in math class
5:43 That rewrite sounds so easy
That it makes me more mad that it was literally in front of the writers