Why the Battle of Exegol MAKES NO SENSE!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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We breakdown the Battle of Exegol from Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker one final time, examining why it truly makes no sense.
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@@darthmaul2374 Thank you, My Apprentice
@EckhartsLadder i might not be able to watch but i will leave my ipad on there to get you the views
@@EckhartsLadder ...Eckhart is Palpatine? I KNEW IT ALL ALONG
Betsy Dierlam You're the best!
The Legacy hard to say!
The resistance winning at Exigol is the equivalent of the 11 year old anime character learning the power of friendship and killing a god
To be fair, Anime usually takes the time to make that plotline believable. Or at least, enjoyable.
So true, tens of thousands of planet destroying Star Destroyers couldn't beat a couple of ships 1/100 the size of them
@@mclaire9447 Anime also finds better ways to take out the main antagonist
@@boneleg6952 god, you people are fucking cringe. Let other people enjoy what they want and shut the fuck up
@@boneleg6952 i bet you watch frozen 2 and say its a masterpiece
I'm honestly surprised it wasn't a fleet of 10,000 Death Stars. That would have been even more hilarious.
Yeah thats cool but how about 10,000 Exegols that contain 10,000 Death Stars each?
@@zxylo786 why stop there, why not have have 10,000 darth Vader’s, inside 10,000 exquisitor class destroyers, on 10,000 exgol planets. 😂😂
I mean… it basically was. They were all armed with turbolasers, right? They all had the power to destroy planets
@@bradensiegal1085 Bob iger: so how many death stars can we fit into this movie for maximum nostalgia bait?
JJ: Y E S
That would actually be awesome. They already destroyed any semblence of continuity this trilogy had left after the last Jedi, might as well have some fun with it.
Film 4: A Death Star
Film 6: A bigger Death Star
Film 7: An even bigger Death Star that can destroy multiple planets at once
Film 9: A fleet of 10000s of Death Stars...
Except 4 and 6 made a little bit of sense…💀🤣
@@hawkgaming6663 I prefer the ot and prequels over the sequels
@@johngancarcik5682 Everyone does, young padawan. Everyone does.
I mean the original death star needed kyber crystals from ilum.... the starkiller base literally was ilum, feeded by the sun.... now what powers the lasers from the ships? the power of friendship?
Fun fact: google actually says the final order fleet actually is a lot smaller than the original imperial fleet. The more you know.
Personally I’m proud of whoever was in charge of the logistics for that fleet. What a guy, finding a way to feed literally hundreds of thousands of people required to crew those ships, on a planet that can’t grow its own food, while somehow keeping the planet a secret. My goodness what a task! Those Uber drives must have gotten very good at navigating that hyper space lane!!
Hundereds of thousands of people is an extreme understatement. there are tens of thousands of ships all have a crew around thirty thousand. we are talking hundreds of MILLIONS maybe even BILLIONS of people.
@@PHILTente and thats ignoring the people building the ships
@@Vaultyboi22 Stop, please, my head hurts and I smell copper
@@5stargrim dont forget about people in charge of transportation of materials
@@Vaultyboi22 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Disney: “Ya know what’s better 10,000x better than a star destroyer?”
Humanity: “Don’t say it.”
Disney: “10,000 star destroyers.”
JJ: "You know what's better than a Death Star that destroys a planet? A Death Star that destroys SIX planets! At once!"
JJ: "You know what's better than 10,000 Star Destroyers? 10,000 Star Destroyers with 'Death Star Tech" and each one can destroy an ENTIRE PLANET!"
JJ: "You know what's better than Palpatine killing one person with Force Lightning? Palpatine destroying a FLEET OF SHIPS with Force Lightning!"
JJ: "You know what's better than Luke fighting a remote? Rey fighting a remote while wearing a helmet mask, while dodging laser fire, while balancing on a log, while over a ravine, while-"
JJ's idea of "raising the stakes" is ALWAYS to take something from an earlier movie and x1000 it.
Laltluangliana Sailop that is because it is Jar Jar Abrams
This is what happens when a princess company takes over a nerd central franchise.
More like Abrams thought it was better because the stakes somehow weren't high enough.
No the stakes weren't absurd enough is closer. I mean Palpatine rising?! The stakes are high enough with that, but noooooo he needed something more. Palpatine being behind Snoke isn't enough.🙄
Sounds like the battle was written by a child.
"So the Emperor raises so many super big Star Destroyers, like, 10 thousands of them, and they allll have superlasers so they can blow up planets!"
"And then Lando gets the help of everyone in the galaxy to come help the Resistance fight!"
Seriously.
My very first impression of the movie was "Did an 8 year old write this?!" as the opening crawl ended. Only went downhill from there.
It's very clear that episode 9 turned out this way because of episode 8/Rian Johnson as much as JJ will try and deny it. Had JJ directed it, it would have turned out okay. Not great, but at least it would have been consistent in direction (IE Luke leaving behind a map to find him vs "I cAmE hErE tO dIe!!!")
I see certain orders of magnitude in Star Wars... figuratively. “Tens of thousands”, my Ahch-To! It had to be several hundred, which could... feasibly be defeated by a thousand armed-civilian ships if unshielded, with a single obvious weakness. To me, basic logic is higher canon than a hired writer’s literary interpretation of the movie.
@@MrKILLINOOBZ I personally find Rian Johnson and Episode 9 better, JJ concentrates on typcial bombastic scenes, Johnson more on character development.
Sounds like a lego comercial
Oh no a mam has falen into a STARDESTROYER SEA
Hey!!!!!
FIND the fleet of 20 000 ships!
And of to the rescue...
Admiral: "My lord, the fleet is ready to launch from the planet."
Palpatine: "Good, but first make sure that one communication tower is functioning, none of the ships can fly without it"
Admiral: "Can't the ships guide themselves up into the atmosphere on their own?"
Palpatine: "No, I don't have the unlimited data plan"
Lmaooo
(The sequel trilogy in a nutshell)
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The ground scene was exactly what I have a problem with. Ray was way too damn far from experienced enough to beat palpatine in a battle. This dude is arguably literally the most powerful sith to ever live and despite all the Jedi masters and actually really trained Jedi who have fought palpatine and lost, somehow she wins😭. Shit is like plot armor times 1000000 it pisses me off
it couldnt have been made more obvious she was being helped by force ghosts. whether thats a shitty reason is up for debate, but the fact you somehow missed it doesn't really speak too highly of you my friend xD
@@beamzsalt4252 He most certainly, like me, does not care about "muh force ghosts", you passive agressive smartass
@@beamzsalt4252 i mean still, but coudnt my guy palpatine just do the force torpedo where he just barrels at ray? At least give it some lightsaber dueling instead of lightning
@@itsthebiggiecheese9213 I think palpatine discarded his Lightsaber after episode 3 because he never liked useing them.
But she was all the Jedi!!! And force ghosts can now lend their power. And shoot lightning and catch physical items… just forget these last three movies and go back to the Legends books.
I hadnt thought about it like this, but if this was the largest fleet ever, then that basically means that Palpatine created more stardestroyers in his back yard, when he had no resources, then the empire in its prime did. Which makes the whole thing even more stupid.
Im saddened they didnt do the star forge thing like the expanded universe, like their was some potentially interesting stuff they could have done but no we got shit
The empereor obviously had resources. It was pretty much his home base.
@@albertschweizer8591 Obviously? What is obvious in this situation?
@@Tired-Merc Yes some kind of superweapon that just produces an endless amount of star destroyers. He could have found another star forge or something. But as a super weapon they stuck with a laser that could destroy a planet.
fuax hunt that would have been a decent explanation of how he has that big of a fleet.
" the largest fleet in history " destroyed in minutes lmao what a joke
Movie logic my dude if it wasn’t a movie they wouldn’t have lost
@@Chosen_Ash Movie logic depends on the film and since Tros is batshit insane, the final order lost because they can't fly up ffs.
@@grayski3324 ye
Lol think coruscant defense fleet and imperial ISD fleet with their support ships
I mean look at the clone troopers and storm trooper? See how their skills changed when they changed side?
The movie makers always wanted the heroes to win . If the story was real , there wouldn't be a 1st order because the empire never loses and kicks rebel arses
this battle is the kind of battle we imaged and created in our imagination when we played with our star wars toy ships when we are 9 years old
Emperor palpatine found the duplication glitch.
Lando calrissian, on the other hand, found the infinite time glitch and the infinite speech glitch to recruit all potential allies.
Palpatine was playing "Empire at war" with resources cheats on.
Lmou
More like Yogen mod
Peace is only achieved with 99999999 star destroyers per capita. :P
And the resistance also having hacks on as well
You say that but the EAW remake mod actually has this fleet pop outta noo where. and they steam roll in Auto resolve so you have to fight them manually. 5 of them will kill a 200 pop battle cruiser with 4 casualties.
Palpatine: Death Star
Palpatine: Death Star 2
Palpatine: Essentially bigger Death Star
Palpatine: Fleet of Death Stars
Palpatine: I’ll flipping do it again
Vader: "Only a fool would build a Second Death Star..."
Palpatine: "I shall build a Second Death Star!!"
Vader: "What a brillant idea!"
Maul in the corner, making actually good plans: I’m surrounded by idiots...
Goro Akechi After maul makes a good plan: What about Kenobi
While I agree the Expanded Universe had the same problem (hyperspace missles, sun destroying lasers, the hidden op ai controlled fleet etc.)
MkZuO12345 At least they weren’t all made by palpatine
Also feel like the fact that they came in right above the star destroyers and thus directly into the line of fire of thousands of the most gun laden ship the galaxy has ever seen and not immediately getting all of their ships blown out of the sky was a bit weird
Your bird profile picture is awesome
There shouldve been so many turbolasers firing that the universe would lag out
For how smart Palpatine was in movies 1-6, making 10,000 identical ships that don't have shields and can't tell which direction to fly in seems pretty lame.
The reality is , I am not dead . I am just hiding and growing a massive fleet of Anakin Skywalker clones to take down the whole universe .
@Ruosong Gao it’s some kind of trick
Not so fast. You still owe the bill for those star destroyer mister P.
Lies! You can’t clone a Jedi!
@@camerongreene3357 You can, but I think they go insane or something.
Holy shxt
At this point, I just consider the sequels highly-funded fanfiction
Done by a two year old that only saw the last Jedi
Fan fiction by fan-hating a-holes.
Maybe just fiction? not really sure any fans were involved.
Rey and Kylo are definitely self inserts
Fans wouldn’t make anything that bad
1:53
Not just the ship itself, and the cannons, but the windows too!
AND BUILT THEM LIKE ANIMALS
Remember how the largest droid army ever created had to fight several years and still loose (granted that palps made sure they would) but the largest fleet ever assembled went down in the time it took for the main character to beat the main antagonist… kinda strange
The funny thing was palpatine had most of those ready between the new hope and empire strikes back according to comics
Exegol is the sum of JJ Abrams’s style: bigger, louder, and mindless
JJs filmmaking is the epitome of “Bigger = Better”
You are forgetting lens flare.
Isn't this the thing fans have been asking for since they were kids? The biggest battle ever seen?
@@davidkippy101 That's exactly the problem. The space battle wasn't SEEN.
@@davidkippy101 just because you want something doesn't mean you will accept that thing if it's in a crappy state.
I want a big house. But if someone offered me a big house with no bathrooms, that's lined with asbestos, and is haunted by the angry spirit of a bagpipe player I might just decline the gift...
This sounds like Star Wars fanfiction I would write when I was 5.
Because is made to appeal to 5 year olds
@@darthporg9859 In that regard Disney failed also. Kids don't like the new Star Wars and the Jar Jar Binks actor criticized Disney for not appealing enough to kids.
and playing with legos
Hater
Pretty sure I did this with my action figures.
I had hoped that when the reveal happened at exegol that it would have been one insanely well equipped fleet comprised of only 3 Eclipse-class dreadnoughts, and upgraded Tie Defenders and Tie Phantoms, crewed either with new clones created from captured prisoners, or a reliance on droids and clones, with either option being fueled by a zealot like obsession to seek revenge for the newly risen Palpatine. For once I wanted to see competent and formidable empire forces become the pinnacle of fear. It didn’t have to be 10s of thousands of ships or any of the other highly implausible aspects that beleaguered that last film.
Honestly, the worst part for me about this whole scene was the amount of people that didn't know/care about Wedge being there
Wedge the biggest sigma
"Somehow Palpatine returned" - Poe Dameron
Dude, I legit laughed when I first heard that line. Blew me away at how poor the writing was.
@@vashusan1984 Same. Easily one of the worst line deliveries in Star Wars.
Timothy Cook Another one. “I don’t care if you win, I need Kylie Ren to LOSE” not a terrible line, but the delivery made Gleeson sound like an angry little kid.
Corran Horn
all you have to say to sum up the whole movie and save other people from watching it.
@@spliish Exactly. This single line sums up this entire cheesefest of a movie.
Prequel Trilogy - How the Empire came to be
Trilogy - How the Rebels rise up and defeat the Empire
Sequel Trilogy - I don't know, let's just make some movies to make money
"...with what we already have lying around..."
The far greater crime to me in this movie was showing the rebel fleet on screen only _after_ they jumped into the battle. They had a history making scene right in the palm of their hands, the entire galaxy jumping in to save the day one last time... and it happened off screen.
Po: Without the navigation tower, they can't leave the atmosphere.
Me: Just go.. fcking UP.
The lack of writing in these movies is almost criminal.
There was plenty of writing, it just was really really really dumb.
yeah it's a war crime
It’s disgusting.
Except tlj of course
Meh, it was all just a thinly veiled allegory about opposing the 'White male patriarchy'
I’ve seen planet destroying stuff in Star Wars so many times that this doesn’t even feel threatening
Agreed. So boring and tired.
A superweapon that creates a short-lived black hole the size of a whole system! Now that would up the scale!
But where do we go from there? 10.000 black hole cannons?! A weapon that destroys a whole galaxy? 10.000 of those?!
@@dektarey4024 Yeah that would be an interesting twist. Like Palpatine or the First Order decided they might as well purge the galaxy of all life or something, if they can't rule then burn the whole place down
It's because you only see a random planet being blow up.
When it happend to "Alderaan" It was different because It was the Home Planet of Leia.
A character who you can empatise with and that was showed on screen a little bit more of time.
In this case you have just random people that only are showed so you can see them die.
@@saulesalejos4483 my hope is they never make another Star Wars movie again. I saw A New Hope in 1977 as an 8 year old. My parents took me 20 more times. They bought the toys. Im saddened by what its become. For me, it 4-5-6 and thats it.
I always assumed the reinforcement Lando arrives with was just a bunch of random people that wanted to fight, like simple cheap star ships, small personal space ships like Wedge and his X-Wing to large transport ships that was just outfitted with guns to protect against pirates, etc etc
An easier explanation would have been that it was all a massive force illusion. Palpatine was desperate and playing his only hand, which was a bluff designed to discourage the rebels. Maybe only a handful of old derelict ships and Palpatine was making them look endless, and then once he’s dead the illusion fades and maybe a slave race is revealed; was in servitude to the emperor, and then they could help to overthrow the rest of the baddies
One of my friends explained it this way, and it kind of makes sense. The sequel trilogy is two kids playing with toys that have a base level of understanding of Star Wars, but not much else. The Mandalorian is a group of friends having a star wars themed DND night.
Did you know that boba fett’s fighting scene was based off what a kid playing with toys looked like
@@dadorkdoge2689 you got that mad over a comment, maybe u should get a life
@@metalfingers222 U should too. Why even reply to it?
@@HolyCrusader5 because i wanted to..? Dumb question, free will exists
@@dadorkdoge2689 lol you think people should respect fictional characters that were only designed to sell toys? I mean seriously you wrote an essay in response to this random guy on the internet. Touch some grass.
The idea of 10s of thousands of very large and exspensive star destroyers coming out of nowhere with literally death Star laser that somehow get destroyed by the random undertrained hero reminds me of something two 7 year old kids playing with Legos would come up with.
please most children have some semblance of logic.
at least the multicolored lego space battles I did when I was 7 had a least some respect for Star Wars cannon
Plot Twist - Entire story was written by a toddler that Disney stole when the kid and his family was in Disney land. Thus saving massive budget on story writing.
The sequels only make sense if a 12 year old wrote the scripts for an audience of 6 year olds.
It lacks any real sense or maturity and nobody acts like an adult.
@@rogerwilco2 Nah, as a 12 year old I was actually very critical. This movie wouldn't make it past lego, nevermind a movie
Disney forgot the "Wars" part of the franchise name and didn't even consult any military buff
My biggest problem by far with the sequels is this absurd fleet, with no support ships and crew that came out of nowhere
Episode X:
Luke: Damn, that dream was a bit too long. Sure hell was a nightmarish one. Better stop with the deathsticks.
Thats Better!
@Joshua Sharwood He should use the deathsticks
@Joshua Sharwood he should use bando gora deathsticks
The only solution to fix the Sequel Trilogy
Isn’t Cade the one who uses death sticks lmao
11 minutes and didn't even get to the absurdity of a cavalry charge on goat-horses.
And?
IKR?
Exactly Lol
The clones never thought of that
I think that's covered by the "It sounded good on paper" clause.
the sequel trilogy is the most impressive self snookering ive ever seen. they literally had endless possibilities with a new trilogy and what they came up with is nothing short of disgraceful. thank god for Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau
The Xyston-class Star Destroyers are almost like the CSO-class supercarriers from Halo in that they're just a previous ship model scaled up without any thought put into it.
Can you imagine the amount of food needed to feed the staff and personel aboard this imperial fleet. Exegul isn't quite the place where you can get resources.
Exactly my thought but how are you getting literally tons of food every day there without anyone noticing
A logistical nightmare if anything
Is this the lyrics to the second verse of "rocket man"? 🤔
This is what I’d call the “rich man’s financial suicide path”
@@protogenhorde8515 Canadian entire country fields wouldn't feed that much.
They literally took the star destroyer model, then put it into windows paint, clicked "resize" then typed "150"
😂😂😂
Do you think you could do better Star Wars movie. I'm just wondering because if this movie is so awful why don't you make your own and stop bothering people about it Because frankly The awful comments that people leave about these movies can offensive to the people who actually like them. Don't maybe if you don't have something nice to say don't say it.
@@American_Trekkie I'm guessing you're a kid by the way you typed that but I get that you enjoyed it because you probably never saw the previous movies but for someone who saw all the other movies and waited years to see this could be extremely disappointing. Especially considering the fact the directors got paid millions of dollars for shit writing.
@@American_Trekkie They had 200 million dollars and made a below average movie and terrible sequel. I'm not offending anyone I'm critizing the movie for how lazy it is. The solution is to of never made a sequel. Because return of the Jedi was the perfect ending. I'm tired of this inconsistent trilogy killing of every main character. So I'm sorry that I have a different opinion. But you think about it. You try to make a better movie. I'm sure you could come up with something. I guess if I had to say something nice, I like Palpatine. The effects and music were good. And the last Jedi had a nice color pattern. Understand I'm not saying you are wrong for liking the movie, I just don't like it.
Why don't you watch the movie again and take a look at the underbelly of the ship and I'm not talking about the super laser I'm talking about the canal like structure under the ship And you know how the original star destroyer had Tractor beam emplacements around the underbelly well this ship does not and those are replaced with point defense cannons
This battle would be much better if in the story of the movie, they said that something like half the fleet of the new republic was destroyed. That the new republic was able to gather and organize its fleet. In addition to calling its members to mobilize their navies. They could mention that several planets still remember how it was under the regime of the empire.
And that they would rather be destroyed than be ruled again under a tyrannical regime. With the first order with their forces overextend. They could show that the first order was having a hard time, as they relied heavily on the base starkiller in their plans. And because they have a very centralized organization. And after the death of supreme leader snoke and several top officers after the destruction of The Supremacy in the second film. The machinery of the first order was paralyzed until Kylo Ren managed to consolidate his power and reorganize the leadership.With Kylo Ren almost desperate to get a new fleet because they were losing. Because they were facing great resistance in every sector of the galaxy.
With the battle of Exegol being the New Republic fleet with its allies, all warships, descending on the planet. Perhaps even with a captured and modified super destroyer leading the fleet. With the galaxy passing a message to the first order like "never again".
Too well thought out. You are Fired! 🤣🤣
As Screen Rant pitch meetings puts it you should do what you like.
How's that possible?
Because.....
That works!
That's modern writing these days. Who cares just blow some shit up it's Star Wars people will watch any drivel if you slap that on it. Plus we can sell a mint of toys.
I do love to sell Merchandise.
Yes sir you do.
" I like that the crew running it are children"
Excuse me *HWAT*
real question, were is palpatine getting the funding, this would be like the USA hiding 10,000 aircraft carriers.
Disney's income on The Last Jedi
@@dapperfield595 XD
I mean, look how S.H.I.E.L.D hid helicarriers, but now thinking about it, the helicarrier is just 200 meters shorter than a actual star destroyer
@@poppy1930 but then if shields bugdet for 1 year is 50 billion dollars, then the next year its 500billion, thats gonna cause some red flags.
@@poppy1930 Dude....they hid 3, NOT 10,000!!!! (plus they're much smaller and don't have a cannon capable of blowing up a stupid planet [and the accompanying massive reactor(s)]).
Palpatine was just in creative mode.
Lol
He could even influence the medichlorians to create life i.e. the crew of the ships.
Creative mode makes more sense than the actual movie. That explains why he didn’t die in the death star too
He had world edit
Nah Palpatine only got LOTS of Totem Of Undying
My biggest issue with the sequels overall is that they essentially reverted all the acomplishments of the characters we cared about and liked, and gave them to these new characters, which many things could be said about.
The logistics to hide a fleet here would make it feasibly impossible to keep this a secret. The materials, food, equipment, contractors to build and operate the equipment, the funds, it’s crazy.
So tens of thousands of ISD's were made. Doing a bit of math, from 4 ABY to 34 ABY that would mean they were making 1.095 ships per day if they made 10,000. Idk what Sith ketamine magic those workers are on, but I hope they get paid well.
palpatine actually created Snoke before events of Attack of The Clones, he planned it since about, awwww, 27 BBY?
@@satelliteisjustsatanisteli8665 that math still equates to 0.783 star destroyers completed a day. Damn near 3 star destroyers every 4 days. And no matter how dedicated those workers would be, they’d still be dying for exhaustion because its not like they’re gettin weekends. I imagine theres some “disney logic” explanation for it, but no matter how you look at it, theres no way that many ships could be produced. Not without just retrofitting weapons onto existing ships like the Acclimator, Venator, and ISD’s I and 2
The wiki page says palatine automated the docks, making them not need humans or aliens to build the ships.
@@nehriim3748 how covienient
@@hrpuff I mean yeah, but that's true for most antagonists in most movies. Otherwise there wouldn't be a big threat.
"how many ships do you want?"
"More"
*adds a bunch of ships*
"MORE!!!"
*adds a l l the ships*
Abrahams: ruclips.net/video/k3gUVvg2eQU/видео.html
M_X_C_N
adds a what?
"MOOOORRRE"
creates a program to invent new ships
That's enough.
THAT'S ENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGUH!
I picture JJ Ambrams pouring miniature star destroyers into the held-open mouth of the emperor.
the size of the resistance fleet kind of makes sense because also at the end of battlefront 2 idens daughter and shriv go to the outer rim to call upon everyone in hiding or waiting on resistance communication
Thank you. This was on the dumb box the other day. You response is much more articulate than mine, which amounted to "the fleet battle was a giant ass-pull to destroy a Macguffin".
As far as I’m concerned, the canonical Star Wars timeline ended with episode 6.
My man.
Ah a man of culture
I took it a step further. Rogue One, maybe Solo and then original trilogy. I may start looking for expanded universe books.
Indeed
Personally I follow ‘Legends’ with pockets of Disney like Rouge One fitting in there. I can’t stand these Disney defending morons who shit on the ExpU’s thousands of hours of content, dedicated skilled writers and ACTUAL fans of the franchise behind it, unlike Disney who turned Star Wars into a platform for 3 things:
- money
- political propaganda
- relating to the largest amount of people possible, regardless of the expense to anything else.
Oh and also, M O N E Y
The decision to create this enormous fleet went through several people during creative process and none of them though that these fleet sizes are a bit comical?
JJ probably fired all of them
I think 500 would've been the right number, however, you could go lot lower and Palpatine would still be inexorable.
It's actually 4D chess, you see all this is secretly just Anakin's fever dream as he succumbs to cell death moments before the Death Star explodes in VI. When you think about it that way it all makes sense how nothing lines up lol
Actually i think the opposite just about starwars in general. I think the scale in all of starwars is way way way waaaayyy too small just leads me to believe the galacy is run by a bunch of poor hilbillys withblasters who cant afford realistic sized fleets
Creative Table: "We've gotta beat The Lord of the Rings epic battle".
"We have lasers and characters people are sort of kinda invested in"
"Dammit! Quantity over quality"
When I first see this scene in the theaters even as a teenager I literally thought the logistics to keep all of these ships running is ridiculous
I like the ending with the dog. LMAO
One of the biggest problems with these films(and most other movies nowadays) is that the sense of scale is way off. In Halo the scale is always clearly defined in the games and books. When a handful of regular Covenant ships show up the tone begins to shift. You can tell it's gonna be a tough fight but victory isn't completely off the table. When Covenant capital ships or a super carrier shows up the mood shifts immediately. At that point the reader knows that when one of those ships show up it's not about winning, it's about saving as many UNSC forces as possible to be used in a more winnable situation. The scale is clearly defined and consistent.
With Star Wars(at least now) the scale is all over the place. Back in Episode 5 when you saw just a single star destroyer you knew the rebels were in a tight spot. The sequels just copy pasting thousands of them so nonchalantly takes out that sense of dread and danger, because you know the resistance wouldn't stand a chance against those odds but because the scale has been thrown off the writers are just gonna make some cheap cop out for the heroes to blow em all up and win.
You know... that's true. I've never read the halo books so I can't comment on that but I have read a large number of legends star wars books and it's usually indicated when an ISD shows up the characters are basically like "an imperial star destroyer?? Well we're fucked." That's a good point you made.
@@AKJames762 Exactly. What people not into the SW EU don't understand is that a Star Destroyer isn't just a really big ship. It's the most advanced war vessel in the history of the SW galaxy. A single ISD can lock down an entire system thanks to all the ground forces and fighters it carries. Not to mention the ungodly amount of firepower it has along with it's artificial gravity wells that prevent non blockade running ships from escaping(Rogue one actually got that right just for TLJ to immediately screw it up). The OG Empire didn't need a bajillion of em. They only needed like....20.
It's the reason why the rebels had to build a massive ion cannon *with* a giant shield generator to protect Hoth. In episode 6 Admiral Ackbar had to remind Lando that their own capital ships couldn't even last against an ISD. The rebels had to outwit and out strategize the Empire, just like the UNSC against the Covenant. The scale was consistent up until the sequels where it flip flops all the time to suit the writing.
@@coltonwhite2518 excellent points 👍
Yeah it's one of those situations where if there 1 Enemy That's Almost Unbeatable, gets beaten after a Tough fight, then later they Fight Multiple of that same enemy, Then you know they're each going to be Easier to Destroy.
@@coltonwhite2518 The empire had thousands upon thousands of star destroyers, and that honestly makes sense, since they had to police thousands upon thousands of star system. So while there were a lot of ISD's, they were scattered all over. This is one of the reasons why an ISD needed to be so powerfull, it had to be capable of operating mostly alone. The republic and CIS had probably a lot less capital ships (though at least several hundreds if not more), because many worlds supported them vs the empire subjugating every world they were able to, even out rim system formerly mostly ignored by/independent of the republic and CIS.
In episode 6 I do believe there were quite a lot of ISD's, just also one dreadnaught class ISD (or whatever it was called). A good capital ship of the rebels could take on an ISD, however the rebels had very few such powerfull ships, while the empire had plenty.
They ruined the best villian
Vader's struggle was accomplished by Rey in a matter of days.
What a disappointment
I hate that they turned Vader into an abused child in all of the comics! Every issue they release has the emperor doing something fucked up to him. I didn’t get that vibe from the original trilogy.
@@jesset2504 oh yeah ffs why they gotta do my man lord vader like that
If vader wasnt held back by his suit he woulda easily taken down palpatinw
Disney didn't just ruin the sequels they managed to ruin the original trilogy whilst they were at it. Grumpy luke, Solo going back to his day job, Mary Poppins Leia, Palpatine back from wherever and a copy-paste fleet of super ships literally from nowhere. But hey they made lots of money so who cares
@@DukeJon1969 I don't think your wrong. However, I genuinely don't blame JJ Abrams for grumpy Luke because I honestly couldn't think of any other way to make sense of the idiotic Luke map introduced in The Force Awakens. It kinda frustrates me that people seem to act like grumpy Luke was completely uncalled for and not an attempt to make sense of an earlier bad decision.
@@lazzie7495 I don't know, even Mark Hamill was pretty disappointed in how Luke was handled in TLJ, his whole arc in the original trilogy was hope, and the belief that even at their darkest, anyone could turn to the light again.
The only thing that would have made it enjoyable is if Disney was trolling everyone, by making all the SDs transform into giant robotic maids wielding a variety of cleaning implements (vacuum cleaners, mops, brooms etc.). 😆
The script for episodes 7-9 were litterally the stories I invented as a 8 year old with my Lego Star Wars figurines.
Bro remember in the Thrawn trilogy when the entire balance of power in the war shifted because the empire gained access to an antique fleet of 85 ships? That was before the dark times.
I'm still upset how they made Clone Wars Thrawn less than EU books Thrawn.
At least that treatment wasn't as bad as these three movies, though. Holy shit...
Which one? Thrawn 2017, Thrawn 1990s or Thrawn Ascensdancy series?
@@AcidifiedMammoth Heir to the Empire
@@sethrosenow2720 I am starting to get into the books of SW, my first series is Thrawn Trilogy (2017) after which I'll pick up Heir to the Empire and onwards. Is it still canon?
@@AcidifiedMammoth
It’s not canon, but it fits with the six film saga before the Disney era. And Timothy Zahn has said that he wrote the new Thrawn stuff to fit with the original books. So depending on how you feel about the sequels, you can consider it canon.
Another issue, it essentially meant Palpatine would of had to find at least 10,000 massive Kyber Crystal's to power the fleets super weapons
Especially since, ya know, Illum got blown up two movies earlier (starkiller was illum)
Don’t forget personnel:
CREW for each star destroyer
Officers (9,235)
Enlisted (27,850)
@Kaiser Jerry well exegol doesn't have a native population I don't think so unless theres hundreds of thousands of clones being made that don't need food it is pretty bullshit. They'd have to have fuck tons of crew ships, transport crews food freighters etc all navigating through to exegol. I don't see a way of all of them making it through. Same with the rebellion its ridiculous
@Kaiser Jerry still using synthetic kyber is quite difficult and can be time consuming. That's just for lightsaber sized crystals. For planet killing deathrays you'd need giant ones. 10000+ of them
@@callumclarke9384 this it's what killed the entire thing. How many people and how big the logistics of have them there, ready for battle. It's pure nonsense. It's lazy writing and thinking the fans are idiots with no brain at all. My 6 years old cousin asked about this, the "it's for kids" excuse also doesn't work.
Around 7:00 pause. The ghost is under the falcon on the right. So what does this mean about ahsoka here Sabine and Ezra, and what will happen to them? At least one of them survive until now obviously
I also think that a mandalorian ship is visible just above and to the left of the ghost
I'm honestly amazed anyone gave this a second watch let alone explored the 'plot' to this level of detail.
General Pryde: "Use all ion cannons."
Gunners: "What? No! Just fire everything at them!"
General Pryde: *DO NOT QUESTION MY GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Gunners: 🤦♂️
Lol
Giancarlo Peñalba “Okay sir, firing ion cannons...”
Smashes hand on turbo laser button
Launch our bazillion TIE Fighters that could take out the enemy fleet by ramming them... or did they forget these tiny things that took out two Death Stars and a Super Star Destroyer?
I haven't seen the movie, but the fighter complement from a regular Star Destroyer times the Exogol Star Destroyers would be enough for that.
I'm assuming it did not happen. After Episode VIII and what I heard about IX I wasn't going to give a cent to Disney for this. After all, the villain of the two-parter was killed.
afaik he just said "use Ion Cannons", with no instruction NOT to use regular ordinance.
Which kind of makes sense, they've got 10's of thousands of star destroyers there, the blanketing fire is boung to hit SOMETHING.
In my headcannon at least, it was an instruction to actually fire ion cannons additionally to point defense even though they're typically ineffective against fighters due to the sheer concentration of firepower present.
The fleet is basically the setup I use for my fleet comp in Stellaris late-game lol
Haha battleships go brrrr
Unbidden: finally we have come to feast one yet anothe-
*gets smacked with battleship artillery spam*
You guys are getting battleships?
Lee Lambert you guys are getting cruisers
@@theoneandonlyquasarsaurus you guys are getting frigates
5:25 Lando - "Ha haaa, I told you I'd do it!!"
It is a fun thing to note that Clone Medic Kix was at this battle as a part of Sidon Ithano’s crew. Sad we didn’t actually get to see him on screen.
"Take that massive gun and stick it on the bottom."
"Should we put armor around the important parts?itd be bad if a single starfighter could blast into it and make the whole ship blow up."
"Are you crazy!? We need that material to make our fleet 100× bigger than could possibly be maintained."
"Can we at least have a shield generator specifically for those small parts?"
"....pick up your paycheck,you're fired."
Shield generators are witchcraft in Canon, I swear...
Palpatine thinks obvious weak points are the only way to get the rebels to come out and play
The battle of exegol is a perfect representation of the sequels: lazy, mindless and just plain stupid.
I was going to say "insubstantial spectacle", but eh.
I skipped Rise of Skywalker and I have to say that shit looked a lot like Beckett's navy in POTC: At World's End. That's not a compliment. That battle was so stupid and anti-climactic and made worse by the overwhelming story. It also featured more battleships than what was probably present in the English navy at the time for real. This battle looked like that on enough steroids to kill several elephants
@@therealMrA good. I hope i could forget about the sequel
I actually loved Last jedi, it was really original and actually brought so much interesting plot points (Rey not being anyone, Luke not being the hero we thought he was, Kilo Ren killing Snoke and basically becoming the main enemy...) But then they just abandonner everything in Rise of Skywanker and just went straight "yeah let's make nonsense oG star wars nostalgia, everyone'll love it"
And that's how it turned out
@@bigfish5544 I agree with you on that. I liked Last Jedi more when I had some time to think about it. They were setting up some plot points for a slam dunk of a finale. But they really dropped the ball.
Is this just me or am I always questioning how the rebels won that fight? I mean sure they had a lot of ships, but I think it's emphasized that most of these ships are civilian and have little to no combat experience. Also think about how little tie fighters there were because each star destroyer has at least 72 and if we do 72 times 10,000 then we get 720000 tie fighters piloted by what we can assume are trained pilots. So, in short what I am saying is that the logistics of the rebel's victory makes no sense to me at least.
Eck: A lot more power. Me: UNLIMITED POWER!
Can we just pretend that these movies just didn't happen?
unfortunately we cant
Well probably forget in the next few years
SOKÓŁ Sokolowski so because the finale wasn’t as perfect as you wanted it to be the entire trilogy needs to be forgotten about? you find no redeeming qualities in the special effects, cinematography, and enthusiasm and chemistry between these extremely talented actors that did the best with what they had to work with? i am in the same boat as you where i am extremely disappointed with the potential that was wasted with these movies but in order for their to be disappointment there had to be potential in them. you don’t think you can get any enjoyment out of these movies because that’s what the mob mentality wants you to think?
@@patrickmaybe2197 yeah many of use think that but unfortunatley not everyone gives a dam about that
crippling trash bot only the finale but the first 2 as well. Whole trilogy is so bad, there was no direction going into it you can tell just by watching it. They just wanted to make money on nostalgia instead making a good story
You also forgot that in the last jedi when they sent a distress signal literally not a single ship appeared
Exxxxactly. No. Sense. Found.
In fairness, Finn makes this point so it adds to the 3rd act.
DL Lambert there’s no fairness here just nerd rage...
Isn’t the idea that Luke’s stand against the first order inspired the galaxy?
Before this movie came out my theory was that Poe and Finn will go travel around the galaxy to find help.
I agree and I am confused about where is the rocks from the star destroyers coming up from the ground.
Resonance captures that “ol summer days”nostalgia like nothing else
"I send out my fleet that has tens of thousands of star destroyers!"
"Yeah, well I send out my dinosaur which eats fleets of tens of thousands of star destroyers!"
Palpatine was using the duplication glitch in this multiplayer match.
Lando calrissian was using the infinite speech, FTL communications, and instant travel glitches to get that fleet there in time.
fr its like an imaginary game that you and your friends make up when ur 5 years old
and because we represent all the Jedi,smh…
“I like how all the workers are brain washed children”
*excuse me what the f-*
Beat me to it lol
He on some Hitlers youth shii.
biggest fleet built by like what few hundred thousand? so every guy, or kid, built a star destroyer in about 20 years?
guess whats her face was just lazy salvaging stuff, coulda built herself a flying jaba barge in like a month...?
@@greensoplenty6809 I don't get how they got so many ships without the Empire or the First Order noticing. As for the Sith Eternal that might be different. I mean, the Sith Eternal may have been serving Darth Sidious and his predecessors for centuries in secret. I hope that is confirmed in canon because it would answer at least a few of these lingering questions.
oh no... they killed him before he could finish
I agree with almost everything here but it is cannon that star destroyers can’t activate shields while in atmosphere because they are using the energy to keep the ship flying unlike in space were gravity is barely a factor.
Man, the Force Unleashed seems downright modest looking at this. Like yeah, yknow what, I can accept pulling down a star destroyer with the force. At least Starkiller seems like he's struggling a bit and even he finds the idea fucking ludicrous when Kota suggests giving it a go.
The Sequels are just some nightmares that Grogu had during his time in the Razorcrest.
XD
This is my new canon instead of them not existing
Grogu is part of Luke's dreams after Ewok soup made of stormtroopers.
prob after eating one too many eggs
Always has been
Disney broke their own cannon when fin destroyed general pryd’s first Order star destroyer by destroying the bridge the. why did the ship go down? specs on the ship showed that resurgence class star destroyer was designed with an backup internal bridge that would assume control should the exterior bridge be hit avoiding a second executor fiasco but this didn’t happen and the ship crashed and burned on the planet surface.
Well considering the pilots of the first order need to be told which way is up the secondary bridge was probably crewed entirely by janitors
Zealous Doggo
Hey don’t make fun of my man the janitor
*Or he’ll skewer you on his mop*
@@barisops1884
Kindergarten?
My personal theory is that while there are two bridges there is only one bridge crew. With the crew using their own initiative wich one they use.
And yes, I know that I'm grasping at straws.
Joren van der Ark 5 well, I’m pretty sure Disney’s straws were imaginary, so you’re doing better than them
Love the outro! 😄
The reason why we got the clone wars was to give you empathy for both sides of the galactic civil war. What was the point of the... war I guess that was going on in 7-9?
The sequel trilogy just looks like a fanfiction an 11 year old that doesn't even know much of the lore of Star Wars wrote with professional cinematography
That is the perfect definition of the sequels
@@LaSneky Poor 11 year old. I think those 11 year old can do better...
@@luniaadilah well....... JJ........ just sayin
The prequels are equally bad.
Calling Episode 9 a fanfiction written by 11-year-olds is an insult to fanfiction written by 11-year-olds...
The more I think about the sequels, the more I hate them.
The entire Disnet Era of Star Wars is indefensible. Even Rogue One, the best of the Disney SW, had it's problems.
Such a waste of a universe and characters.
Jesse Chavez i really liked Rogue One, except where were the Bothan Spies!!!
@@Stretch501st fun fact! The bothan spies were for the Second Death Star in Return of the Jedi. So Rogue One is even more 'canon' than you thought. It was the best of the Disney SW (not exactly a high bar, but still!)
Jesse Chavez thanks for the correction! And yeah I really liked how rogue one had a grittiness to it.
Finkster Fitness
I like the prequels even more now than the sequel trilogy....
The star destroyers breaking out of the ice was a beautiful image.
I thought the giant fleet was from them sending out a plea in ep8. They even say they havent heard from anyone. So I assumed the call went out and they ended up meeting up then heading to the battle.
The original trilogy has all sorts of minor references to the Empire's resources, vast though they are, being stretched by the construction of the Death Stars. It gave a sense of industry to the universe. The sequel trilogy feels like it takes place in a computer or a dream, there's no resource requirement to anything, the plot just magics things into existence.
vagabondflow Yes, at first I thought that the origins of these ships didn’t make any sense. After a while though, I figured out that with Palpatine’s ancient sith secrets, and decades and decades of time, he could somehow make a few hundred star destroyers. Also, he could have just saved them from the times when the Empire was at the height of its industry, as a last resort, and just upgraded them with planetary lasers with what he had on hand.
@@Oridemic Though it wasn't just a couple hundred. It was 10 000.
@@Oridemic who is shipping these vessels to exegol? nobody knows where it is!
The death stars were a distraction to explain where resources were disappearing to.
@@robertstoneking7916 pretty stupid distraction to waste tons of resources building a distraction to explain where your resources keep going
My theory, probably not original, is that Lando promised to give anyone who showed up a copy of his sex tape with Leia.
That theory makes more sense than this entire trilogy
I can indeed say that is true.
Well, that helps.
Or at least some Colt 45, works every time.
Anakin Skywalker Do you have a copy? Since that would be very wierd
ngl i thought that the reason they got so much was because of the distress signal on crate back in ep 8 but everyone had to prepare
*We need a back story for Palpatine’s financial advisor.*
Lando: "On your lef- oh wait wrong movie"
Palpatine: "I am the sith... "
Rey: "And I am iron ma- oh wait wrong movie."
Disney didn't even try to make it not similar to Endgame's finale.
Nice, I watch pitch meetings too
@@avonyx4374 I don't know who that youtuber was until you told me, I searched pitch meetings and he came straight up. i noticed the similarities when I watched myself. I am watching his content now, he said the joke in a different way though. Regardless same punch-line of being a total endgame copy.
“For a generation my disciples have labored...”
Me: “Yeah, you’ll need a few generations to make that. And a few more generations to crew them.”
Not to mention the sheer resources needed
not neccesarily. its been what, 50 years in between episode six and seven? all it would take would be a dedicaded couple billion people to reproduce for 20 years and get 10x the population they started out with, if not more. its the material to build the ships that are the problem, unless they were all built by droids, and ate entire planets for the resources which is entirely possible since they are in the unknown regions. a place that dosent get much lime light
eh the "Force" probably used force Labour ability to make them work 20x faster lmfao
Each Xyston apparently has a crew of around 30,000 people. Multiply that by 10,000, and that’s a fleet with a bare minimum of 300 million people.
@@jamesr.2017 to be fair, by star wars standards that really isn't that bad.
I can understand all the ships being sent at once or being kept to show at once. One big crushing blow to the univerSes mental makes perfect sense for palpatine to do. Or to create the biggest spectacle without sending any hints about it out to cause despair for our heroes for the destroyers to be seen and for them to lose all hope and resolve and break their will to fight before it’s even begun.
In one of the Star Wars comic or legends vader found a map on mustafar . When he used the map he found exogol and went in and saw palpatines huge fleet of star destroyers
End of TLJ: the Resistance has like 20 people left
End of ROS: Resistance has literally the largest fleet in the history of the galaxy for... reasons
sigh somehow palpatine returned
Because..... LANDO obviously
@Ryan Connolly I guess Lando was able to organize an army of like 3.7 billion people in under a week lmfao
@1934 Family dude must have the biggest contact list in the history of the galaxy and had a mass email ready to go to everyone😂
Hmm wonder how The rise of skywalker would've turned out if Ryan Johnson was handling it.It would've been better than the star wars we got.
This would only make sense if he had access to the Star Forge, but Disney says it's "nOT cANOn".
Then this failure would be all of Palp's doing for having the fleet of entirely one ship.
This is why there are escorts to larger, more specialized, equipment.
@@vintolio BuT TiE FiGhTeRs ArE An EsCoRt!
Sadly, even if the Star Forge was canon, it was destroyed thousands of years prior to the Invasion of Naboo, still making the fleet illogical.
@@AngelDust6969 True, but its entirely possible that the knowledge of how to make it was preserved through the sith cultists on Exegol.
@@alexottmer2728
True, but that also presents another issue:
The Star Forge was uniquely designed by the Rakatan/Infinite Empire using advanced technology that would be lost with the Rakatan Empire when it declined into random tribes.
Most importantly, the exact process/method in which the Star Forge was built and operated was lost with the Forge itself, with most knowledge either fading from existence or being viewed as useless.
One definitive issue is that there wouldn't be enough information nor materials for Palpatine to recreate the Star Forge, plus, without a definitive source of Kyber Crystals, he'd have to find an alternate power source for his superweapon Star Destroyers.
The whole ship yard showcase was really sick but the battle itself, well I kinda lost myself in it.