Small correction: the red stuff on Pluto is also made out of tholins which are organic compounds that often provide that color. A lot of the surface is nitrogen ice too, but it's not necessarily the main reason behind the "redness" of Pluto and similar objects.
i find it weird that no video discussing Omuamua ever shows the actual images taken from the object. I know, 1-2 blinking pixels are not all that amazing, but it would show people how drastically fantasized the artist impressions are. And to make it 100% clear that we didn't see it as clearly.
Is it just me? The object ejected invisible gases heated by the Sun which would cause it to move away from the Sun, but his image of its path at 3:30 shows it moving CLOSER to the sun than expected?
As a former employee of Caltech, I can attest that academic institutions are all in on this opportunistic idea predation. Their PR departments maintain constant contact with news outlets to make public any and all findings, preliminary or otherwise, in near real time. They’re competing for precedence, publicity, funding and Nobel laureates.
But the media is also culpable, looking for anything to sensationalize, even if it means drawing wrong (though popular wishful thinking) conclusions just to attract views and make a buck...
Having been in, and out, of academia I'd say that for every self-promoting egotist there are dozens of dedicated scientists driven by the desire to understand what's around us. Taken out of context, many of the questions being asked can sound foolish, but that can be said of most things out of context. I dare say that you misunderstood the point being made in the video. @@paulbattenbough1002
I saw this in the 90s as a graduate student. Much of the spin you saw in the media for a particular scientific story was created in the University and then given to the News Network. We all should be more skeptical about popular science articles. Although, it's hard to see where the motive for spinning what appears to be a pure science topic, people don't realize the amount of money that is on the line. Popular Science articles kinda serve the same purpose as those advertisements for prescription drugs. Why would they show these to the general public? It's to influence the people that control the money.
Alien craft is not any conclusion that any scientist came to regarding this object. At most they were saying we should not rule out that it could be an alien craft.
Wikipedia (which provides references in case you'd like to follow-up) says, "On 26 October 2018, Avi Loeb [an Israeli-American theoretical physicist who works on astrophysics and cosmology and is the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University] and his postdoc, Shmuel Bialy, submitted a paper exploring the possibility of Oumuamua being an artificial thin solar sail accelerated by solar radiation pressure, in an effort to help explain the object's comet-like non-gravitational acceleration..." I guess you used the word "conclusion", so yes - it was not a conclusion. It was "exploring the possibility", which is a step-up from "not rule out".
"Mentioning the possibility" is all Avi Loeb ever does because his career is just fishing for citations in as many fields as possible. In this case he responded to reasonable critiques with outrageous ad hominem attacks and media campaigns. A real scientist would refine his predictions or admit it would be impossible to verify them with new measurements.
@tomcapon4447 Did you read Avi loebs book about it!? Be honest 🤥 Because if you didn't and your only sources are news media sniping Loeb's quotes/miss-qoutes. Then your onus of authenticity is lacking. I have read it. He backs his claims with very high standing evidence and theories. In fact, he makes it so clear how unusual this "asteroid" is that you beging to understand higher governmental invested institutions might be having a part to play in why Loeb's research isn't being taken more seriously.... Don't take my word for it. Instead read his book about this topic. It is very interesting. It actually makes more sense than the dribble that this channel is talking about that parrots the same talking points of MSM.
@@tomcapon4447I immediately knew the name Anton was referring to when saying scientists ego, that’s all Avi Loeb does indeed, & unfortunately that’s why he has name recognition while real scientists don’t
Anton my friend, it's been fun watching you develop over the years, Your content is always first rate, well-conceived and presented. And you are experiencing the full Norm Abrams effect. I'm really impressed with how natural and idiomatic your English is getting. It's time to become a Patron.
So basically we have rejected hypothesis it was "uncontrollable Battlestar Galactica shaped object" in favor that it was "somewhat rusty Millenium Falcon shaped object"
Or Voyager will land on a planet inhabited by a medieval society. They'll melt down the gold record for its precious metal value and chuck out the rest of the probe as trash.
I've watched many of your videos. You do a great job of explaining a diversity of scientific matters without dumbing it down. Great use of visuals, too. My father who was a junior high teacher would have loved your productions. If you want to see another teacher producing good videos on very different subject matter, try History Hustle; he also has an unusal accent (to American ears) , odd personal style and loads of enthusiasm. Thanks again.
Why so unusual when in USA and Canada we have a plethora of immigrants who speak fluent English with accents? It's not so unusual to me since I hear all accents from people from abroad and our regional accents of English spoken all over the continent every day. What's your accent like?
Brilliant. Here's the new artist impression [puts up image of a something that looks even more like a spaceship - millennium falcon]. I jumped to conclusions
I maintain that I wish Anton's videos were something that I was shown in school in my formative years. I will gladly show your videos as soon as my children ask of certain wonderments of space. You will be my go-to for explaining this knowledge to my kin when I cannot convey it so eloquently!
Your Chanel is absolutely brilliant! I’ve learned so much from you. I hope you know there are many of us that appreciate what you do. Sharing knowledge , inspiring the imagination in such a way the average person can understand is a gift. Thank you! I can’t get enough of the science of what’s out there!
When I heard about the pancake shape, I immediately figured that it simply HAD to be an interstellar sunfish. I begrudgingly acknowledge that the alternative you discuss here has the inside track. But the interstellar sunfish hypothesis has NOT been definitively refuted!
No where. Time is a word humans created to dumb down one of the key fundamental parts of the here & now, to provide others with the human condition to find relevance.
It could still be a ship purposefully surrounded by nitrogen ice to protect it during the journey. Good camouflage as well. They switch on tumble mode and silent mode in the event they are spotted by intelligent beings.
The Big Picture - have you *NEVER* seen the state of mankind's society the world over? It was just thoroughly explained in this video why some of the most intelligent among us are complete morons. Why would aliens, who switch to tumble and silent mode when spotted by intelligent beings, switch to that when spotted by people on earth? That makes absolutely *no sense* whatsoever in any way, shape, form, fashion, fantasy, or imagination. 🤦
Very enjoyable information Anton! when it comes to being level-headed you have one of the flattest heads out there, by definition you have a very sound mine and probably one of the most level heads out there! you're an asset to the science community!
My only gripe is Anton's analysis always falls on the scientific establishment's cool reasoning side. l like a bit more speculation and imagination in my science and not so much kowtowing to the general outlook of the NASA indoctrinated 'community' . We know they lie just as in politics. I'd much rather watch science that challenges the orthodoxy
Let us keep our minds open, by all means, as long as that means keeping our sense of perspective and seeking an understanding of the forces which mould the world. But don’t keep your minds so open that your brains fall out! There are still things in this world which are true and things which are false; acts which are right and acts which are wrong, even if there are statesmen who hide their designs under the cloak of high-sounding phrases. - Walter Kotschnig November 8, 1939
@@sleepycalico aliens or not aliens, our world, as of today, is hardly the work of those whose brains didn't fall out, by all standards. I'd question the merits of whoever reigns over science since 1939, because they sure don't want to change their habits. blind skepticism has become so rampant, it's practically dogmatic. I dare anyone seek out any kind of non-prescribed explanation of reality, as if there is a central governing body deciding on what is truth, a priori. it's both funny and tragic at the same time, how nobody seems to get that the picture is inverted, and that those words got misplaced.
I enjoy your response, but I don't entirely understand it. I googled Walter Kotschnig and saw that he was a Foreign Service officer who was present at the formation of the United Nations and who went on to represent the United States at conferences worldwide for more than a quarter century. So, as that is the lead info from his obituary, I'm going to guess he wasn't also a scientist. The scientist who said that (most recently) is Anton. But I think it's a perfectly sensible thing to say, no matter who is saying it, in whatever field, at any time in our history. The state of our world today actually *might* be partly attributable to people whose brains didn't fall out. lol But I take your point. Thanks for your wonderful response, wonderful person.
How do you not have a million subscribers? This is such an awesome channel. No click bate, no crazy talk, no flat earth stuff. Just good old fun science. Thank you! 🙏🏾
The healthiest and most successful relationships I know of started out with no passion involved. Turns out your brain is more reliable for love than your heart too.
Oh, you found one of my missing smashed red potatoes! Wondering where that went... Boil red potato, (or any small waxy type potato) skin on till its just cooked through, Cool the potatoes enough to handle them , and smash the potato on a cutting board with the flat of a large knife or bench scraper to about 1/4" thick, forming it into a ragged flat disc, the potato needs to be still firm enough to be squashed without falling apart. put potato disks into a fry pan with a bit of hot butter and fry flipping once till both sides are crispy, season to taste with salt and pepper or a BBQ rub mix as it cooks. Serve a few as a side on each plate with grilled meat, and a salad or hot vegetable - you'll see why i was so upset my smashed potato went missing.
I had the good luck to have some very good science teachers in grade school. I had a PHD Chemistry teacher that was good as well for 3rd year + university students but he couldn't relate to lower level students. If i were lucky enough to have Anton as a science teacher some 50 years ago it would have been a complete blast to have science explained and so easy to digest. A bit late but thank you for the knowledge you share each day.
@@bsodcat no one knows how they built them . There are only theories no definitive proof of how they were actually built so accurately using primitive tools.
@@fordism.01 likewise... this study is a theory... backed up with solid science and logic... but a theory nonetheless. And it will remain so forever without additional observations.
Avi mentioned that there was a lot of discussion early on about Oumuamua being a hydrogen iceberg. He felt that it didn't make sense to him because it would have completely evaporated as it got closer to the sun. How is this Nitrogen iceberg hypothesis any different?
Exactly. The only “scientific fact” they are going on with is that the signature of nitrogen evaporation and the acceleration that it was exhibiting based on that momentum was similar. I don’t get these scientists when it comes to proving something they want it to be they do mental gymnastics to make it so. This is not science. So now they have found a sound scientific explanation that looks good in theory while it cannot prove one darn thing. While Avi another scientist did not do that, he said let all of the possibilities be there and analyze based on actual data. He never made any firm conclusions but hypothesized that it had a signature of being extraterrestrial, not that it was. And furthermore he stated let’s get real data when a next one similar to this one arrives and send a probe to acquire the data then analyze it. This whole thing is nonsensical.
@@spaceUniverse2012 The most disgusting part is this: "finally explained". What? As if its concrete in the absence of proof. The furthest Avi went was just a hypothesis but this channel dude was so confident of his version that he thinks its final.
@@spaceUniverse2012 I am just very disappointed at the opening statement in this channel. He avoided disputing the arguments by Avi and proceed to sarcastically attack others personally and keep the parts that supported his own hypothesis. He further said that its ok for ppl outside of the scientific communith to jump into conclusion. What does he mean that? We are incapable or irrational? He should try get a job at a commercial tech coy like Tesla/SpaceX instead of making stupid theoretical youtube videos.
If you want to use the bar of soap analogy, you have to recognize the peculiarities that apply: the eroding forces (in the case of soap, friction; in the case of this object hypothesis, cosmic rays) must act predominantly parallel to the plane of motion for that soap to become a smooth flat disk. Or, but another way, if you were to rub the soap around randomly in your hands, you might end up with something that is indeed more like the cigar shape (or any of an assortment of other shapes). I suspect that if the hypothesis about the cosmic ray erosion is accepted, then it has some association with the way planets orbit around are star in a disk-like configuration.
"As someone once said, keep your mind open but not so open that your brain falls out"...…This young man represents a level of 'NERD' that for me, never gets old ! 🤣
I never thought this was an alien spaceship. But I do applaud scientists for having an open mind. Because scientists normally don't. And I think that's way more important than worrying what morons think.
AMEN, Anton. As a scientist, it has been my observation over the years that the "discipline" of science is actually 40% egos, 40% agendas, and 20% real science. For me it got downright depressing.
at most 20, at most. I left the "scientific community", which is a propagandistic term for the outside. Yet, leaving just made me to understand that the area science still provides intellectual peak experience. Ergo I mixed, stayed scientific without the need to meet the ego-trippers
@@monnoo8221 You would enjoy Avi Loeb's book. Highly recommend, based on your comment, if only for the parts unrelated to the controversial chunk of rock.
This is the reason I don’t blindly believe the government and other dimwits that tell us to “trust the experts and scientist”. It’s an annoying situation, for being sceptical towards what is being portrayed as the “truth” or scientific consensus in some matters, portrays you as a science denier. When in reality it has nothing to do with denying science, but rather that the conclusions presented isn’t convincing enough and in a lot of cases comes of as biased, or in many cases, they’ve decided on the outcome first, then looked for ways to make it happen.
It is true that one builds a reputation in science, good or bad. One case in particular that comes to mind is a historical article that was in the American Journal of physics some decades ago. I was doing research for my honours thesis, and for a break and some light reading looked at an article showing a picture of Sir Isaac Newton’s original paper on gravitation. I noticed that the formula was copied down wrong. Along come some of my peers eager to leave. I pointed the error out, and was met by skepticism. I allowed myself to be dragged off to lunch, promising myself that I would check it out later. Being busy with my studies, I never got back to it. A few years later, on student did point it out and cemented his reputation in the community. Apart from the lesson to “if you see something, say something,” it must be noted that those reviewing Newton’s paper didn’t take the time to follow through with the calculations. I point out that the equation was wrong, not the theory. Having had a tendency to do derivations myself, rather than just accepting them (the schrodinger equation, for example), I failed to follow through when it was most important for me to do so.
As a scientist, I really appreciate the early section about scientific rigour. But I believe this social media process is the next phase of scientific communication with the public. In an ideal world, scientists making outlandish claims get the "story" into the public consciousness and then more grounded science communicators can join the conversation and explain the true story. Keep up the brilliant work Anton!!!
The natural human tendency is to latch onto good news and run with it. As an industry chemist, I learned long ago to be careful with any information I share, because it will almost always be immediately misinterpreted or over-interpreted by management.
A small problem with your characterization of the rush to popularize Oumuamua was the small nature of a very distant, fast moving object. The first to publicize it was not necessarily racing other scientists, he was racing the subject itself which could only be observed for a VERY short amount of time and needed to be popularized quickly to get collection time rediverted to it. Sorry to rain on your parade, but sometimes we cannot afford to move at a stately, composed pace in science. This is a historical science we are talking about, not a bench science; we have to take advantage of the cases we are given while we still can. There are no "do-overs".
Couldn't agree more! The rabid and dogmatic effort to explain anything exotic away is going to keep us in the dark ages for a long time to come. Very sad.
Lol, I love how he chose his words carefully, " A pancake like shape." He could of easily said, " Disc." Which has aided to a plethora of conspiracy theories.
They recommend the book: Extraterrestrial to me and I got it on audible regardless of what the object is thought be the book has a lot of fascinating ideas that opened my mind to some really creative and excellent thought ideas to do like the thought of space acreology looking for extraterrestrial space junk You never know.
Ironically, if it hadn't been for all the hype and alien theories, most of us would have never heard about this object and learned so much about interstellar comets. Not to mention, it's added a renewed amount of vigor to making sure scientists are being objective in their studies. So... not necessarily a bad thing that it got the alien label.
Yet what he was referring to are those malign be they registered or not. The hype...that is when to hope for those AFFLICTED as most likely they are in the midst of those malign unawares or very much aware. ✨
Indeed. This is a very very unscientific thing to say. An ice chunck chipped off a Pluto like impact??? And Anton know for sure this is it? Come on. First of all: great that the community finale catches on that Pluto collided with charon causing sputnik planitium impact zone and the red dot on charon and its equatorial crumble zone. But to suggest Oumumua is pure ICE??? Come on aton use your brain. Pure ICE is Never observed, and would never survive the extreme structural stress around the sun, just look at interstellar comet borisov desintegrate on aless tressfull trajectory. Moreover , spitzer st would have notice nitrogin evaporating. In all: a crappy chunck of science Anton!
@WonderDrugEchinacea Yes. And the straw clutching has been intense. I have read the paper. We have never seen free frozen nitrogen in space. Free frozen nitrogen, if it could exist, would be very short lived. The trajectory of Oumoamua and it's speed tell us it's ancient. I cannot believe this hypothesis.
An what ever it was it very very weird and like nothing we have seen before or since. An there not enough data to confirm any solution to the problems.
@@RWin-fp5jn spitzer is our best source of data for this object and yet it detected nothing which match any comet or asteroid, which is extremely strange .
@WonderDrugEchinacea People are making assumption to try an fit a tiny slither of data An they desperately looking for a natural solution to that slither data, so far all of their solutions however doesn't make much sense.
remember that for every scientist who was crazy but right, there were a thousand who were crazy and wrong. Its romantic and exciting to chase the “out there” ideas, and we should, but they are not a good bet.
Only problem is that it was influenced by gravity... gravitic craft (UFOs/UAPs) do not do that. They produce their own gravitational field and are not affected at all.
"We probably know what it was We know what it probably was We think we know what it was We think we know what it probably was We think we probably know what it was We probably think we know what it probably was." You might want to ask NASA if they're hiring.
So my mind is my skull. I became to open minded my brain fell out of my skull. I was wondering where that noodlely stuff fell from. Now I know, my mind.
That cute quote at the end about brains not falling out ... I first read in a newspaper advice column in the 60s ... Either one of the twins Ann Landers or Dear Abby ... And I'm sure it goes back even further. It has always been one of my favorite quotes.
You are an amazing science communicator, seriously. Thank you for keeping the course and not going down the Rabbit hole of conspiracy and clickbait crap. Science NEEDS more people like Anton.
Of course you hope it’s aliens, we all do, but what you probably meant is that you still think that it’s aliens. I can tell you that it’s not, even if it was it would be so unlikely that it would be hilariously funny. Use logical basis for your understanding else you will loose in life. It’s like chess
@@generalhypocrisy1876 I'm not saying its aliens. But, you can't say for certain that its not aliens. Unless you have a really fast space ship no one knows about.
Nothing is certain in science, the word certainty is probably the most human word there is because it’s simply just a word to get a point across. I’m certain on something is the same as saying that I believe in something in my world, I hope that makes sense since we could be living in different realities according to that
"It was definitely..."...Not! Given how thin the data we have on Oumuamua really is (It was never more than a single pixel on any detector, and we only have a color, not a spectrum) all we have is a light curve and a trajectory, too small to resolve. We need to live with that frightening label, "Unknown".
exactly. i can't stand all this haughty cosmological conjecture masquerading as certainty. it's not science by any stretch of the imagination, simply more untestable conjecture based hypothesis
@@mitseraffej5812 If you can find any meaningful radar observations, please let me know. The only radar comment I found via google is that "Canadian meteor radar " observed no signal.
Oumuamua is just a typical Galactic federation interstellar probe investigating a search for intelligent life. After coming through our Solar System and seeing none it promptly left again!
@@Aaron-oe8xw In most ways i agree with you guys but on the other hand, Finally know and possibly are not entirely exclusive. When A person is trying to learn something (look at code breaking) trying one thought over another is how to determine if that thought might be valid or is not valid. Basically it is part of the learning process.
Anton seemed kinda pissed off in this video, he "probably" wanted to put an end to the alien theory as much as possible. Methinks he doth protest too much.
I'm so glad Anton is sharing this video and talking about it. Harvard physicist Avi Loeb is claiming that Oumuamua is a extraterrestrial craft and has been getting a lot of press coverage for it. Thank you Anton!!
It's is not fair to claim that he is suggesting that this is a alien object. That is what everysingle headline i have seen, Vice for example, have claimed but this is not what Avi stated. He stated it is possible it could be. The only facts that he claimed as fact was that this item was a flat shape and not cigar shaped, that it was extremly reflective, Doesn't leave a tail and had some ability to accelerate itself. Mainstream science disagreed with all of these points, but every point accept for the acceleration was also asserted in this paper. I have seen two different schools of thought when it comes to the acceleration. Scientists such as Neil Degrasse Tyson said it was probably offgassing and Avi claimed that it could be a Solar Sail type acceleration, likely from sunlight but it can be done with a laser. The hypothesis that it could be technological in nature isn't that extreme of a idea when you consider that Avi is one of the world experts that has been working on or atleast hypothesizing Breakthrough Starshot, a program hoping to build a 5 mm thick solar sail that we could send to Alpha Centauri and have it arrive in a matter of years/decades instead of centuries/millenia using Solar Sail technology. I would not disagree with you if you stated that it may be dishonest of him to collaborate with news agencies that are going to make deffinitve/hyperbolic statements on theories, but i do not think its academically honest to pretend that he is asserting that this is qualitative, inarguable evidence of alien life. If you listened to him speak about this in long form, such as Lex Friedmans podcast with him, you may find your opinion becomes more neutral. The truth is no one knows untill we know. Whether thats a new space telescope, sending a cubesat to one of these objects to analyze it or just a increase in the total amount of these events untill we have enough evidence to prove a single theory without any faults or pitfalls
Reminds me of the novel Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke Set in the 2130s, the story involves a 50-by-20-kilometre (31 by 12 mi) cylindrical alien starship that enters the Solar System. The story is told from the point of view of a group of human explorers who intercept the ship in an attempt to unlock its mysteries. The novel won both the Hugo and Nebula awards
The Tales of the Pirx the Pilot by Lem also has a story where the young pilot stumbles upon a dead alien shit drifting through the Solar system. Rama was a bit less fun than Pirx, tell you that.
I watched Avi Loeb talk about the object on joe's podcast and from what I remember he made no claims as to whether it was alien-made or not, but that to rule out the possibility while the possibility remained for the sake of your own scholarly reputation was not only stupid, but irresponsible and unexciting and that he felt there was enough unanswered questions about the object to warrant the possibility. That said he made a lot of other appearances after that and certainly got a lot of attention so maybe he did say more plainly it was alien-made. Anyways this explanation is as good as any even if the image does look like an interstellar bunghole. Another great video thanks wonderful fella
The thing is, many explanations were being thrown around apart from the alien craft. Loeb wasn’t saying it was aliens, but he was annoyed to put it mildly that many academics mocked the idea of it being synthetic in origin while openly promoting ideas of it being made of materials that have never been observed or created. Their ideas were/are just as implausible as the craft but discredited the idea without presenting a counter argument to it. His argument is very fair
Another point that Avi makes is that the hypothesis the object is alien space junk or whatever is objectively more plausible than other ideas that have somehow gained a lot of traction. E.g. think about string theory with many extra dimensions that we cannot see, or multiverses.
@@rrson648 “Guy’s a charlatan” by being Harvard’s Head of Astronomy? He’s making a critique of the current status of academia, not only this, but the privatization of scientific data funded by taxpayers, amongst other things, which many other important people have pointed out as well. He’s sharing his viewpoint like anyone is allowed. He a respected figure. What now, every scientist that sells books is a charlatan as well? Go back to your couch and eat your rubbish, greaseball
I also read Avi Loeb’s book ( EXTRATERRESTRIAL) and the above two / three posts are pretty close to my personal interpretation of Loeb’s position. I don’t remember Loeb saying it must be aliens, only that it was possible that it could be. I think the main thrust of Loeb’s book, and his interviews that I heard, is that for scientists to proclaim that it absolutely is not a fabricated item is incorrect. Keeping an open mind about that possibility, until new data (if ever) becomes available, is reasonable. Selectively crucifying Loeb for mentioning this possibility, when other “crazy”, unprovable (currently) ideas seem to be acceptable scientific dogma (string theory, multiverse, etc...) seems to be unfair. Loeb laid out a couple of solid reasons why it might be an artificial object. My “gut” tells me that the object was probably natural in nature. My critically thinking brain allows for the possibility of other possibilities. This new analysis of the old (original) data is yet another possible explanation of what Oumuamua might have been. Kudos to these scientists who keep working the problem. Kudos also to Loeb for pushing back against the ossified section of the scientific community that says “it ain’t never aliens ever, end of topic, and stop bring it up”. G’night wonderful people and peace ✌️.
@@3zzzTyle Wait until LSST is in operation in a few months. More formally known as the Vera C. Rubin observatory, from a mountain top in Chile, it will scan the skies continually and find all sorts of previously-unknown faint, slow-moving objects. Suddenly we'll see lots of interstellar visitors, maybe Planet 9 (if it exists), more stuff in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, etc. Minds will be blown.
I really appreciate you addressing the ego of scientists when it comes to discovery. I have heard so many different theories for Oumuamua and planet 9 and some people are really.... aggressive in asserting their hypothesis as fact.
So are scientists who pull some extremely implausible explanations out of their asses though. Thats really not helping either and thats not really a matter of occams razor. If your explanation doesnt make sense, it doesnt hold up. Period.
but that's literally what he just did...this is a hypothesis and he's talking about it like it's a fact that somehow debunks the other hypothesis which is absurd and untrue. Nothing has been proven, it's all conjecture.
@@haraldhimmel5687 simple does not imply correct. more likely? maybe, it's fair to say that but anything other than that is ridiculous as nothing is proven and likely never will be. we're talking about conjecture based on a detection of a signal the size of a pixel, the amount of extrapolation and conjecture going on here on all sides is far outside the realm of the repeatable, testable hypothesis known as the scientific method. this is an educated guess at best
Small correction: the red stuff on Pluto is also made out of tholins which are organic compounds that often provide that color. A lot of the surface is nitrogen ice too, but it's not necessarily the main reason behind the "redness" of Pluto and similar objects.
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I was gonna say that but you beat me to it Anton
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Anton will you adopt me?
i find it weird that no video discussing Omuamua ever shows the actual images taken from the object.
I know, 1-2 blinking pixels are not all that amazing, but it would show people how drastically fantasized the artist impressions are. And to make it 100% clear that we didn't see it as clearly.
There’s no image of it, just hypotheses
@@TalkinKush That is not true.
@@grant1390well, the image is just a dot. Who know what the surface actually looks like
@@bb5979 Of course it is just a dot. Though it was also observed spectroscopically.
Is it just me? The object ejected invisible gases heated by the Sun which would cause it to move away from the Sun, but his image of its path at 3:30 shows it moving CLOSER to the sun than expected?
Mark Twain had a great saying about being misled. "It's easier to fool someone than to convince someone that they've been fooled".
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No I haven't!
LMAOooooo, Dunning Krugger effect is strong in the comment section
Which is why they teach the Theory of Evolution in schools as though it was fact.
Plato's Cave Allegory
“There’s random chunks of exoplanets in space”
“THERES LITERALLY EVERYTHING IN SPACE”
Even snakes
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Aliens, snakes, and lizard people @cgKyle
CIA needs to get out there and cause galactic civil wars and plant snakes as lizard people and vice versa.
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As a former employee of Caltech, I can attest that academic institutions are all in on this opportunistic idea predation. Their PR departments maintain constant contact with news outlets to make public any and all findings, preliminary or otherwise, in near real time. They’re competing for precedence, publicity, funding and Nobel laureates.
You said it in a much nicer way.
exactly wild theory and money squandered to research it.
But the media is also culpable, looking for anything to sensationalize, even if it means drawing wrong (though popular wishful thinking) conclusions just to attract views and make a buck...
Having been in, and out, of academia I'd say that for every self-promoting egotist there are dozens of dedicated scientists driven by the desire to understand what's around us. Taken out of context, many of the questions being asked can sound foolish, but that can be said of most things out of context. I dare say that you misunderstood the point being made in the video. @@paulbattenbough1002
I saw this in the 90s as a graduate student. Much of the spin you saw in the media for a particular scientific story was created in the University and then given to the News Network. We all should be more skeptical about popular science articles. Although, it's hard to see where the motive for spinning what appears to be a pure science topic, people don't realize the amount of money that is on the line.
Popular Science articles kinda serve the same purpose as those advertisements for prescription drugs. Why would they show these to the general public? It's to influence the people that control the money.
" You don't want to become so open minded that the wind whistles between your ears " - Absolute Legend
Terence?
I’ll listen to the wind over my own judgment honestly lol
@Sean Matheney that's the one I know;-)
@@jasonpassofaro3305 this guy's a legend ^
Too late I already got tinnitus
Alien craft is not any conclusion that any scientist came to regarding this object. At most they were saying we should not rule out that it could be an alien craft.
Wikipedia (which provides references in case you'd like to follow-up) says, "On 26 October 2018, Avi Loeb [an Israeli-American theoretical physicist who works on astrophysics and cosmology and is the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University] and his postdoc, Shmuel Bialy, submitted a paper exploring the possibility of Oumuamua being an artificial thin solar sail accelerated by solar radiation pressure, in an effort to help explain the object's comet-like non-gravitational acceleration..."
I guess you used the word "conclusion", so yes - it was not a conclusion. It was "exploring the possibility", which is a step-up from "not rule out".
Simply mentioning a possibility (regardless of how unlikely) will cause the media to announce it as a fact. They do it all the time.
"Mentioning the possibility" is all Avi Loeb ever does because his career is just fishing for citations in as many fields as possible. In this case he responded to reasonable critiques with outrageous ad hominem attacks and media campaigns. A real scientist would refine his predictions or admit it would be impossible to verify them with new measurements.
@tomcapon4447 Did you read Avi loebs book about it!? Be honest 🤥
Because if you didn't and your only sources are news media sniping Loeb's quotes/miss-qoutes. Then your onus of authenticity is lacking.
I have read it. He backs his claims with very high standing evidence and theories. In fact, he makes it so clear how unusual this "asteroid" is that you beging to understand higher governmental invested institutions might be having a part to play in why Loeb's research isn't being taken more seriously....
Don't take my word for it. Instead read his book about this topic. It is very interesting. It actually makes more sense than the dribble that this channel is talking about that parrots the same talking points of MSM.
@@tomcapon4447I immediately knew the name Anton was referring to when saying scientists ego, that’s all Avi Loeb does indeed, & unfortunately that’s why he has name recognition while real scientists don’t
Anton my friend, it's been fun watching you develop over the years, Your content is always first rate, well-conceived and presented. And you are experiencing the full Norm Abrams effect. I'm really impressed with how natural and idiomatic your English is getting. It's time to become a Patron.
So basically we have rejected hypothesis it was "uncontrollable Battlestar Galactica shaped object" in favor that it was "somewhat rusty Millenium Falcon shaped object"
@@Pyxis10 No it wasn't "aleins"
*_IT WAS ALIENS!!!_* 👽
That's real science for you, c'mon man!
yeah space trash from another society out there.
Exactly my point as well. 😂😂😂
It's obviously a piece of a world blown up in an intergalactic war far, far away.
3:00: “Something similar to what you see right here”
Anton’s Barber: Yes sir! ❤️
Chocolate rainnnn
Woah! That's so cool that watch his videos
Well this is the last place I'd expect to see Tay Zonday
Tay you absolute legend you
Yo Tay whats up playa?
Thousands of years from now when Voyager enters an alien solar system, the aliens will look up and say, "Nah, it's just ice, mate"
No one uses mate like that anymore, so no, they won't say, mate, sorry.
Or Voyager will land on a planet inhabited by a medieval society. They'll melt down the gold record for its precious metal value and chuck out the rest of the probe as trash.
@@Mscape7 who hurt you, mate?
@@Mscape7
Dafuq kind of weird comment is this? What do _you_ know, lol?
Sup, mate..
Can you imagine having Anton Petrov and Sabine Hossenfelter at your party at the same time?
Relatable brilliance.
Now we are sure of it: Anton is working for the aliens, finding all possible arguments to hide their presence in our solar system
So THAT explains his smile at the end of his recent videos. It all falls into place now.
Yeah I never bought that "this is a Canadian accent" business.
My first suspicion is that he called me wonderful
He may be an alien, but he’s so darn lovable!
Trying to tell us these things aren't because of aliens is just the sort of thing an alien would do.
I've watched many of your videos. You do a great job of explaining a diversity of scientific matters without dumbing it down. Great use of visuals, too. My father who was a junior high teacher would have loved your productions. If you want to see another teacher producing good videos on very different subject matter, try History Hustle; he also has an unusal accent (to American ears) , odd personal style and loads of enthusiasm. Thanks again.
Why so unusual when in USA and Canada we have a plethora of immigrants who speak fluent English with accents? It's not so unusual to me since I hear all accents from people from abroad and our regional accents of English spoken all over the continent every day. What's your accent like?
Aliens watching this video: "Our camouflage was a success!"
Wow
Lol!!! That's Hella Funny🤣🤣🤣
We are the supreme beings in all of the galaxies that exist. Other life forms are behind us. We will be the first to invade another planet.
@@bobbywalsh7767 nope, there are many higher civilization out there in our galaxy some of them already came on earth before.
Giant raw stake.
The gullibility now days is off the chart!
No one truly believed it was a spaceship, with the exception of one guy...
How interesting, please share the data 😁
They are going to remove “gullible” from the dictionary to please woke people as it offends them
@@xmathmanx Avi Loeb the dumbest of them all.
I feel like someone took extra care to make the pancake version of Omohamoa look like the Millennium Falcon
So I wasn't crazy lol
Brilliant. Here's the new artist impression [puts up image of a something that looks even more like a spaceship - millennium falcon]. I jumped to conclusions
I'll have to delete my comment now...
And the Baltic Sea anomaly...
Oumuamua*
"Keep your mind open, but not so open that the brain falls out" quote of the decade right there.
I love that saying but hear it from rather close minded individuals sometimes haha.
Too late for that, I need to find my brain again.
Twas a good'un wannit!
@@crono3339 reminded me of Jack Sparrow in the 3rd one when he'd dropped his brain!!
I believe that was a quote from one of Carl Sagan's books.
You can't fool me, Anton. That's the Millenium Falcon. :-D
lmao that's what I thought right away
The Hutts got pissed Han's ship is still around so they froze it in Carbonite...
Just what I was thinking!
@@TheMoulie Great minds and all.
@@pkkiller_apathy4568 They do that, those pizza people.
I maintain that I wish Anton's videos were something that I was shown in school in my formative years. I will gladly show your videos as soon as my children ask of certain wonderments of space. You will be my go-to for explaining this knowledge to my kin when I cannot convey it so eloquently!
Dear Anton, please can we have THAT on a t-shirt.
"keep your mind open, but not so open that your brain falls out". Priceless !
This is not an original quote though
It’s actually a GK Chesterton quote from a century ago
Haha
: It's been available on t-shirts and bumper stickers for decades.
I thought that red image was a joke, it looks like a fossilized Millenium Falcon.
I was hoping I wasn't the only one
It does! Completely!
Shit. Beat me to it lmao.
It reminded me of something but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Same here! Either Han got lost trying to beat his record for the Kessel run. Or someone smashed a huge ball of red play-do.
Your Chanel is absolutely brilliant! I’ve learned so much from you. I hope you know there are many of us that appreciate what you do. Sharing knowledge , inspiring the imagination in such a way the average person can understand is a gift. Thank you! I can’t get enough of the science of what’s out there!
When I heard about the pancake shape, I immediately figured that it simply HAD to be an interstellar sunfish. I begrudgingly acknowledge that the alternative you discuss here has the inside track. But the interstellar sunfish hypothesis has NOT been definitively refuted!
The brightness fluctuations clearly come from its tail flapping, not rotation!
Ou-mola-mola? 🤡
@@nimblehuman Excellent!
@@SailingSoWhat Good point!
You should let Avi loeb know! He will be right onto that fishing for stuff out of the ocean.
I can't believe this happened in 2017, that's insane. Where did the time go?!
No where. Time is a word humans created to dumb down one of the key fundamental parts of the here & now, to provide others with the human condition to find relevance.
@@floydthedroid5935 ok buddy, he was just saying how time as flown since 2017, it seems like maybe a year or so ago
@@conorhennell2623 ok buddy
@@conorhennell2623 repspect the droid simpleton
Oumuamua is a time stealing probe, from a distant star system, and took it all. 😅😅😅
Me: Leave me alone Anton, I just want to believe!
Anton: Hello wonderful person. No.
No worries.
This piece of space junk doesn't discount the reality of ET.
Far from it.
It could still be a ship purposefully surrounded by nitrogen ice to protect it during the journey. Good camouflage as well. They switch on tumble mode and silent mode in the event they are spotted by intelligent beings.
Goodbye
This NEEDS to be top comment
The Big Picture - have you *NEVER* seen the state of mankind's society the world over? It was just thoroughly explained in this video why some of the most intelligent among us are complete morons. Why would aliens, who switch to tumble and silent mode when spotted by intelligent beings, switch to that when spotted by people on earth? That makes absolutely *no sense* whatsoever in any way, shape, form, fashion, fantasy, or imagination. 🤦
"its cigar shaped, its a ship!"
Wait its a pancake.
"Its the millennium pancake! That's a ship!"
And the round ones are death stars, right? :-D
Do channeling to answer that !
No .......it is a Blamange cloud.
Lol
I swear i've seen you somewhere Firestorm.
Thanks Anton, great quip at the end; ‘Keep your mind open but not so your brain falls out’. Love it ❤
We have a quote like this in Spanish. Very good!
That's exactly what my wife said before she divorced me
Very enjoyable information Anton! when it comes to being level-headed you have one of the flattest heads out there, by definition you have a very sound mine and probably one of the most level heads out there! you're an asset to the science community!
My only gripe is Anton's analysis always falls on the scientific establishment's cool reasoning side. l like a bit more speculation and imagination in my science and not so much kowtowing to the general outlook of the NASA indoctrinated 'community' . We know they lie just as in politics. I'd much rather watch science that challenges the orthodoxy
“…..not so open that your brain falls out.” - I hate that when that happens!
Ooops--splutch!
That's why I keep my hair shoulder-length
It kind of acts like a net. Well . . . More like a thicket hedge
It was a reflection of Venus on a weather balloon filled with swamp gas!
Now, that's a mouthful, worthy of Project Blue Book!
Close, but we still have to figure out where does the basking owl or barn shark fit into all this.
@@gooberclown it's MIB.
I couldn't see anything for all the vitreous floaters in the way...
Just a mass hallucination.
Move along folks.
When you're recommended an Anton Petrov video, realise it's old and you've already watched Liked it, but you watch it anyway and still enjoy it.
"Keep your mind open, but not so open that your brain falls out" lol brilliant, thanks Anton.
Let us keep our minds open, by all means, as long as that means keeping our sense of perspective and seeking an understanding of the forces which mould the world. But don’t keep your minds so open that your brains fall out! There are still things in this world which are true and things which are false; acts which are right and acts which are wrong, even if there are statesmen who hide their designs under the cloak of high-sounding phrases.
- Walter Kotschnig November 8, 1939
@@sleepycalico aliens or not aliens, our world, as of today, is hardly the work of those whose brains didn't fall out, by all standards.
I'd question the merits of whoever reigns over science since 1939, because they sure don't want to change their habits. blind skepticism has become so rampant, it's practically dogmatic. I dare anyone seek out any kind of non-prescribed explanation of reality, as if there is a central governing body deciding on what is truth, a priori.
it's both funny and tragic at the same time, how nobody seems to get that the picture is inverted, and that those words got misplaced.
I was going to say the same, but I thought I'd check the comments first!
I enjoy your response, but I don't entirely understand it. I googled Walter Kotschnig and saw that he was a Foreign Service officer who was present at the formation of the United Nations and who went on to represent the United States at conferences worldwide for more than a quarter century. So, as that is the lead info from his obituary, I'm going to guess he wasn't also a scientist. The scientist who said that (most recently) is Anton. But I think it's a perfectly sensible thing to say, no matter who is saying it, in whatever field, at any time in our history.
The state of our world today actually *might* be partly attributable to people whose brains didn't fall out. lol But I take your point. Thanks for your wonderful response, wonderful person.
@@milanstevic8424 Oh, on further thought, I think I know where this went weird. I was just quoting the original usage of the expression.
How do you not have a million subscribers? This is such an awesome channel. No click bate, no crazy talk, no flat earth stuff. Just good old fun science. Thank you! 🙏🏾
He's a flat-Oumuamua-er.
I'm getting there! thanks though
even your question is fake as you do not really want to know!
He will, people will find him eventually
becuzz''' all da Haterz r democrats'''''' ;|) LoL''''''''''''''''
I prefer Captain Disillusion’s motto: Love with your heart, but use your brain for everything else.
Digest with your gut, but use your brain to think.
Morals don’t matter if u kill someone to prevent deaths in ur ship, maybe u will be out to death but 2 deaths instead of many more
I mean parasite
Captain Disillusion is probably paying a lot of alimony now.
The healthiest and most successful relationships I know of started out with no passion involved. Turns out your brain is more reliable for love than your heart too.
Oh, you found one of my missing smashed red potatoes! Wondering where that went...
Boil red potato, (or any small waxy type potato) skin on till its just cooked through,
Cool the potatoes enough to handle them , and smash the potato on a cutting board with the flat of a large knife or bench scraper to about 1/4" thick, forming it into a ragged flat disc, the potato needs to be still firm enough to be squashed without falling apart.
put potato disks into a fry pan with a bit of hot butter and fry flipping once till both sides are crispy, season to taste with salt and pepper or a BBQ rub mix as it cooks.
Serve a few as a side on each plate with grilled meat, and a salad or hot vegetable - you'll see why i was so upset my smashed potato went missing.
@@stinkyfungus I'm not sure if that's science but it sure sounds tasty!
@@BavonWWCooking is chemistry.
Be more careful next time
Anton: “beautiful Pluto”
Pluto: 🥰
I had the good luck to have some very good science teachers in grade school. I had a PHD Chemistry teacher that was good as well for 3rd year + university students but he couldn't relate to lower level students. If i were lucky enough to have Anton as a science teacher some 50 years ago it would have been a complete blast to have science explained and so easy to digest. A bit late but thank you for the knowledge you share each day.
Surely, The aliens designed it so we’d think it wasn’t alien :)
Thats why we built the pyramids.
@@bsodcat no one knows how they built them . There are only theories no definitive proof of how they were actually built so accurately using primitive tools.
@@fordism.01 likewise... this study is a theory... backed up with solid science and logic... but a theory nonetheless. And it will remain so forever without additional observations.
And the Nazca lines.
@@fordism.01 Are you serious?
Stop listening to Ancient Aliens, that shit is brain rot.
As always, a great video. Your consistency and grounded explanations are so appreciated!
excellent graphics... love seeing you speak science.
Avi mentioned that there was a lot of discussion early on about Oumuamua being a hydrogen iceberg. He felt that it didn't make sense to him because it would have completely evaporated as it got closer to the sun. How is this Nitrogen iceberg hypothesis any different?
I dont believe it is any different, as far as I know & understand a nitogren iceberg should have also completely evaporated
Exactly. The only “scientific fact” they are going on with is that the signature of nitrogen evaporation and the acceleration that it was exhibiting based on that momentum was similar. I don’t get these scientists when it comes to proving something they want it to be they do mental gymnastics to make it so. This is not science. So now they have found a sound scientific explanation that looks good in theory while it cannot prove one darn thing. While Avi another scientist did not do that, he said let all of the possibilities be there and analyze based on actual data. He never made any firm conclusions but hypothesized that it had a signature of being extraterrestrial, not that it was. And furthermore he stated let’s get real data when a next one similar to this one arrives and send a probe to acquire the data then analyze it. This whole thing is nonsensical.
@@spaceUniverse2012 The most disgusting part is this: "finally explained". What? As if its concrete in the absence of proof. The furthest Avi went was just a hypothesis but this channel dude was so confident of his version that he thinks its final.
@@Leon-fj5dt bottom line Avi is approaching this from a true scientific perspective as opposed to others who want to see a specific desired result
@@spaceUniverse2012 I am just very disappointed at the opening statement in this channel. He avoided disputing the arguments by Avi and proceed to sarcastically attack others personally and keep the parts that supported his own hypothesis. He further said that its ok for ppl outside of the scientific communith to jump into conclusion. What does he mean that? We are incapable or irrational? He should try get a job at a commercial tech coy like Tesla/SpaceX instead of making stupid theoretical youtube videos.
Most people probably haven't seen the movie Aniara, but omuaua reminds me of it, an old spaceship with a dead society just floating through space.
That movie was sooooo sad! But good🧐
Always Rendevous with Rama was the first, the progenitor
I was thinking RAMA myself.
@@marcusalexander7088 How any anyone not?
Arthur C Clark, the greatest. Grew up on his work.
Perfect introduction, perfect pedagogy, perfect explanations. Great job.
perfect blablabla
Peerless kneeling
@@richinoable What does Peerless Kneeling mean?
If you want to use the bar of soap analogy, you have to recognize the peculiarities that apply: the eroding forces (in the case of soap, friction; in the case of this object hypothesis, cosmic rays) must act predominantly parallel to the plane of motion for that soap to become a smooth flat disk. Or, but another way, if you were to rub the soap around randomly in your hands, you might end up with something that is indeed more like the cigar shape (or any of an assortment of other shapes). I suspect that if the hypothesis about the cosmic ray erosion is accepted, then it has some association with the way planets orbit around are star in a disk-like configuration.
Dropping said soap was also a missed opportunity to point out the darker possibility of what first contact could entail.
John Michael Godier is that you? I hear his voice when i read this@seanparker4461
"As someone once said, keep your mind open but not so open that your brain falls out"...…This young man represents a level of 'NERD' that for me, never gets old ! 🤣
It's very important to think squarely inside the box, else the old maxim that science advances one funeral at a time will no longer be valid.
That is a Richard Dawkins quote.
@@k98killer 😂 well done
I never thought this was an alien spaceship. But I do applaud scientists for having an open mind. Because scientists normally don't. And I think that's way more important than worrying what morons think.
AMEN, Anton. As a scientist, it has been my observation over the years that the "discipline" of science is actually 40% egos, 40% agendas, and 20% real science. For me it got downright depressing.
at most 20, at most. I left the "scientific community", which is a propagandistic term for the outside. Yet, leaving just made me to understand that the area science still provides intellectual peak experience. Ergo I mixed, stayed scientific without the need to meet the ego-trippers
@@monnoo8221 You would enjoy Avi Loeb's book. Highly recommend, based on your comment, if only for the parts unrelated to the controversial chunk of rock.
The worst thing is that these folks are the ones who get all the attention, drive all the grant dollars, and push science in the wrong direction.
This is the reason I don’t blindly believe the government and other dimwits that tell us to “trust the experts and scientist”. It’s an annoying situation, for being sceptical towards what is being portrayed as the “truth” or scientific consensus in some matters, portrays you as a science denier. When in reality it has nothing to do with denying science, but rather that the conclusions presented isn’t convincing enough and in a lot of cases comes of as biased, or in many cases, they’ve decided on the outcome first, then looked for ways to make it happen.
It is true that one builds a reputation in science, good or bad. One case in particular that comes to mind is a historical article that was in the American Journal of physics some decades ago. I was doing research for my honours thesis, and for a break and some light reading looked at an article showing a picture of Sir Isaac Newton’s original paper on gravitation. I noticed that the formula was copied down wrong. Along come some of my peers eager to leave. I pointed the error out, and was met by skepticism. I allowed myself to be dragged off to lunch, promising myself that I would check it out later. Being busy with my studies, I never got back to it. A few years later, on student did point it out and cemented his reputation in the community.
Apart from the lesson to “if you see something, say something,” it must be noted that those reviewing Newton’s paper didn’t take the time to follow through with the calculations. I point out that the equation was wrong, not the theory.
Having had a tendency to do derivations myself, rather than just accepting them (the schrodinger equation, for example), I failed to follow through when it was most important for me to do so.
As a scientist, I really appreciate the early section about scientific rigour. But I believe this social media process is the next phase of scientific communication with the public. In an ideal world, scientists making outlandish claims get the "story" into the public consciousness and then more grounded science communicators can join the conversation and explain the true story. Keep up the brilliant work Anton!!!
The natural human tendency is to latch onto good news and run with it. As an industry chemist, I learned long ago to be careful with any information I share, because it will almost always be immediately misinterpreted or over-interpreted by management.
Anton: "It more likely disc-shaped"
[alien theory intensifies]
It's the Millennium Falcon! :-)
@@minarchist1776 🤣 That’s what it looked like to me too!
@@minarchist1776 the Millenium Falcon lies at the bottom of the Baltic Sea....
@@minarchist1776 "IT'S THE MILLENNIUM FALCON!! I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!!!" XD
Flying saucer, confirmed!
Even though you've crushed my dreams like a bug with this video I've subscribed to your channel because...you're a wonderful person! Cheers Anton!
I know. He keeps shooting holes in all my hopes for aliens!
"PROBABLY" doesn't fit in that sentence. We finally know that we don't know what Oumuamua was.
continue your work
you give us a calm and solid look at scientific enterprise
A small problem with your characterization of the rush to popularize Oumuamua was the small nature of a very distant, fast moving object.
The first to publicize it was not necessarily racing other scientists, he was racing the subject itself which could only be observed for a VERY short amount of time and needed to be popularized quickly to get collection time rediverted to it.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but sometimes we cannot afford to move at a stately, composed pace in science. This is a historical science we are talking about, not a bench science; we have to take advantage of the cases we are given while we still can. There are no "do-overs".
So having a small time window to observe the object justifies saying it could be aliens? I don't believe so.
Couldn't agree more! The rabid and dogmatic effort to explain anything exotic away is going to keep us in the dark ages for a long time to come. Very sad.
@@rjim1 Uhhhh
The alien theory is alive and well. The piece of material was part of the remnants of a system destroy by the Death Star. Damn you Vader
Good point
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
@Ratso Fatso Maybe someone pushed it from afar?
@Ratso Fatso Unless our calculations were incorrect!
Tarkin
2:59 um, Hello? That's obviously the Millennium Falcon. Apparently after too many jumps to hyperspace.
hahaha
Thanks for emphasizing how good science is done.
Thank you Anton for always making excellent content. ❤
Lol, I love how he chose his words carefully, " A pancake like shape." He could of easily said, " Disc." Which has aided to a plethora of conspiracy theories.
Wait!
The aliens are not only visiting us, they’re serving us breakfast.
At least he didn’t say it was saucer shaped!
... Unidentified Flying Pancake-shape; Unidentified Flying Saucer-shape: same thing; both are Unidentified Flying Objects.
That the scientists pretend to have any idea what this was, is a conspiracy theory
Flying pancakes
Back here because of PBS SpaceTime! So glad they gave this Wonderful Person a shout out for all his dedicated work!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
They recommend the book: Extraterrestrial to me and I got it on audible regardless of what the object is thought be the book has a lot of fascinating ideas that opened my mind to some really creative and excellent thought ideas to do like the thought of space acreology looking for extraterrestrial space junk
You never know.
This guy is litterally a guy who reads reports with little to no grasp on the information.
Thank you for your work and service.
Ironically, if it hadn't been for all the hype and alien theories, most of us would have never heard about this object and learned so much about interstellar comets. Not to mention, it's added a renewed amount of vigor to making sure scientists are being objective in their studies. So... not necessarily a bad thing that it got the alien label.
Yet what he was referring to are those malign be they registered or not.
The hype...that is when to hope for those AFFLICTED as most likely they are in the midst of those malign unawares or very much aware.
✨
"we finally know what it might probably have been with uncertainty"
😂
😂
“A guess”, IOW….
exactly
finally probably definitely maybe ... possibly .
This Just In:
Recently discovered fossilized Millennium Falcon seems to
confirm Star Wars did in fact happen a long long time ago.
In a galaxy far far away
@@jarvissystems4334 Yes.
@@jarvissystems4334 Baltic Sea Anomaly ;)
In a galaxy right here.....
Damn you beat me to it .
Good introduction, and well said all throughout, some "scientists" behave like rock musicians instead of real scientists, totally correct.
"It was definitely a chunk of dwarf planet" It was NOT definitely a chunk of anything. It might have been a number of things.
Indeed. This is a very very unscientific thing to say. An ice chunck chipped off a Pluto like impact??? And Anton know for sure this is it? Come on. First of all: great that the community finale catches on that Pluto collided with charon causing sputnik planitium impact zone and the red dot on charon and its equatorial crumble zone. But to suggest Oumumua is pure ICE??? Come on aton use your brain. Pure ICE is Never observed, and would never survive the extreme structural stress around the sun, just look at interstellar comet borisov desintegrate on aless tressfull trajectory. Moreover , spitzer st would have notice nitrogin evaporating. In all: a crappy chunck of science Anton!
@WonderDrugEchinacea Yes. And the straw clutching has been intense. I have read the paper. We have never seen free frozen nitrogen in space. Free frozen nitrogen, if it could exist, would be very short lived. The trajectory of Oumoamua and it's speed tell us it's ancient. I cannot believe this hypothesis.
An what ever it was it very very weird and like nothing we have seen before or since. An there not enough data to confirm any solution to the problems.
@@RWin-fp5jn spitzer is our best source of data for this object and yet it detected nothing which match any comet or asteroid, which is extremely strange .
@WonderDrugEchinacea People are making assumption to try an fit a tiny slither of data An they desperately looking for a natural solution to that slither data, so far all of their solutions however doesn't make much sense.
I read Leob’s book. A lot of history about scientists who’s brilliant discoveries where overlooked in their time.
remember that for every scientist who was crazy but right, there were a thousand who were crazy and wrong. Its romantic and exciting to chase the “out there” ideas, and we should, but they are not a good bet.
@@JackMott interesting numbers. do you have any data that verifies that?
Only problem is that it was influenced by gravity... gravitic craft (UFOs/UAPs) do not do that. They produce their own gravitational field and are not affected at all.
@@BlackMasterRoshi no i am one of the thousands that are wrong
@@JackMott son, if you know what that missing link chromosome in humanity to primates was, you would never bet against aliens ever.
“Keep your mind open, but not so open that your brain falls out.”
Excellent!
yeah, and they keep their minds so closed, so brains rotten
Thank you AP, all you say here is completely rational and hence both reliable and believable.
"We probably know what it was
We know what it probably was
We think we know what it was
We think we know what it probably was
We think we probably know what it was
We probably think we know what it probably was."
You might want to ask NASA if they're hiring.
tbh the only thing thats going to tell us the truth is Project Lyra
Maybe they could probably be sort of almost possibly be onto something like,
Totally right... Or nearly.!! 😀
@@darrenwoolley51 I think you're probably right
In fact, I know you're probably right
I think
"Keep your mind open, but not so open that your brain falls out" Got to admit i'm using that from now on.
That was originally a Richard Dawkins quote if I’m not mistaken.
Not ....
😂 ditto
So that’s what I should do
I think that one's been ruined for me, having first heard it in a church as a kid.
"Keep your mind open but not so open that your brain falls out." LOL
Says the narrow-minded skeptic.
@@TheHighlanderprime Which is not Mr. Petrov. Your point?
So my mind is my skull. I became to open minded my brain fell out of my skull. I was wondering where that noodlely stuff fell from. Now I know, my mind.
@@TCizauskas I responded to one silly pseudo-skeptic misnomer-fallacy (brains falling out) against an open mind … That was my point.
@@whysoserious7014 Minds grow ... As brains don’t ever fall out as a result... Only close-minded control freaks use the “brains falling out” analogy.
You are so dang interesting to listen to. Thanks for your expertise on topics like this.
That cute quote at the end about brains not falling out ... I first read in a newspaper advice column in the 60s ... Either one of the twins Ann Landers or Dear Abby ...
And I'm sure it goes back even further.
It has always been one of my favorite quotes.
I thought it was the great Richard Feynman who coined this term. I could be wrong, but I'd bet $20
Scientists: It was alien technology.
People: YAY!
Scientists: Actually it was a chunk of ice.
People: AWWWW.....
Journalists: COULD ALIENS USE ICE TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD OF METAL AND SILICON CHIPS?
Or, the other way around, at least for those who think like Hawking on the matter.
I want one!
Clearly didn't watch the video or how Anton talked about it if that's what you got from this video.
You are an amazing science communicator, seriously. Thank you for keeping the course and not going down the Rabbit hole of conspiracy and clickbait crap. Science NEEDS more people like Anton.
yeah, channels that showcase fresh journal papers in a fairly dry way are the best, in particular this channel and suspiciousobservers.
@@BlackMasterRoshi hard pass on Suspicious0bservers, which is a pseudoscience wank fest run by one of the least likable humans on the planet.
What an important statement to make in the beginning of this video. Thank you thank you. We need to remember what science is truly about.
It always reminded me of the book Rendezvous with Rama, so my hope is still that it’s aliens.
Of course you hope it’s aliens, we all do, but what you probably meant is that you still think that it’s aliens.
I can tell you that it’s not, even if it was it would be so unlikely that it would be hilariously funny.
Use logical basis for your understanding else you will loose in life. It’s like chess
@@generalhypocrisy1876 life is a game we cannot win, mortality
It’s a funny game I must say, I like games but I’m also very good at them. So much to learn from so much simplicity, but it is indeed the devils game
@@generalhypocrisy1876 I'm not saying its aliens. But, you can't say for certain that its not aliens. Unless you have a really fast space ship no one knows about.
Nothing is certain in science, the word certainty is probably the most human word there is because it’s simply just a word to get a point across.
I’m certain on something is the same as saying that I believe in something in my world, I hope that makes sense since we could be living in different realities according to that
"It was definitely..."...Not! Given how thin the data we have on Oumuamua really is (It was never more than a single pixel on any detector, and we only have a color, not a spectrum) all we have is a light curve and a trajectory, too small to resolve. We need to live with that frightening label, "Unknown".
exactly. i can't stand all this haughty cosmological conjecture masquerading as certainty. it's not science by any stretch of the imagination, simply more untestable conjecture based hypothesis
Exactly!
I thought radar data was obtained about Oumuamua.
@@mitseraffej5812 If you can find any meaningful radar observations, please let me know. The only radar comment I found via google is that "Canadian meteor radar " observed no signal.
@@therealanyaku I was most likely mistaken. I thought that I heard something about it.
People would probably stop believing weird things if they made the real answer as interesting as Anton does.
Excellent point!
maybe but they will definitely not stop labeling weird things as such based on their dogmatic views
I love you, Anton. You explain things so wonderfully for us every day people to understand.
He sounds like Dracula telling the weather! 😂🎉
The first three minutes was the nicest "harsh put down" I have ever seen delivered. Anton, you are a wonderful person.
Oumuamua is just a typical Galactic federation interstellar probe investigating a search for intelligent life. After coming through our Solar System and seeing none it promptly left again!
Lol
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Obviously
It mist Anton
That Dimitri hair cut is rad bro 👌
Thanks for the clear and concise explanation of this enigmatic object. You just earned my sub brother.
"Finally know" and "Probably" shouldn't exist in the same sentence.
It was probably definitely not aliens for sure!
Agreed, its one or the other.
@@Aaron-oe8xw In most ways i agree with you guys but on the other hand, Finally know and possibly are not entirely exclusive. When A person is trying to learn something (look at code breaking) trying one thought over another is how to determine if that thought might be valid or is not valid. Basically it is part of the learning process.
but they can so the english language suks LOL
Anton seemed kinda pissed off in this video, he "probably" wanted to put an end to the alien theory as much as possible.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
im so happy you are finally getting the views you deserve
I'm so glad Anton is sharing this video and talking about it. Harvard physicist Avi Loeb is claiming that Oumuamua is a extraterrestrial craft and has been getting a lot of press coverage for it.
Thank you Anton!!
i watched Lex Fridman podcast with him and he said its possible not that it IS.. Media might change his real wording.
I'm not disregarding what that man did for the betterment of science, but it's pretty clear he's just chasing popularity at this point.
It's is not fair to claim that he is suggesting that this is a alien object. That is what everysingle headline i have seen, Vice for example, have claimed but this is not what Avi stated. He stated it is possible it could be. The only facts that he claimed as fact was that this item was a flat shape and not cigar shaped, that it was extremly reflective, Doesn't leave a tail and had some ability to accelerate itself. Mainstream science disagreed with all of these points, but every point accept for the acceleration was also asserted in this paper. I have seen two different schools of thought when it comes to the acceleration. Scientists such as Neil Degrasse Tyson said it was probably offgassing and Avi claimed that it could be a Solar Sail type acceleration, likely from sunlight but it can be done with a laser. The hypothesis that it could be technological in nature isn't that extreme of a idea when you consider that Avi is one of the world experts that has been working on or atleast hypothesizing Breakthrough Starshot, a program hoping to build a 5 mm thick solar sail that we could send to Alpha Centauri and have it arrive in a matter of years/decades instead of centuries/millenia using Solar Sail technology. I would not disagree with you if you stated that it may be dishonest of him to collaborate with news agencies that are going to make deffinitve/hyperbolic statements on theories, but i do not think its academically honest to pretend that he is asserting that this is qualitative, inarguable evidence of alien life. If you listened to him speak about this in long form, such as Lex Friedmans podcast with him, you may find your opinion becomes more neutral. The truth is no one knows untill we know. Whether thats a new space telescope, sending a cubesat to one of these objects to analyze it or just a increase in the total amount of these events untill we have enough evidence to prove a single theory without any faults or pitfalls
Wow this video is crisp! I love it!
Reminds me of the novel
Rendezvous with Rama by Arthur C. Clarke
Set in the 2130s, the story involves a 50-by-20-kilometre (31 by 12 mi) cylindrical alien starship that enters the Solar System. The story is told from the point of view of a group of human explorers who intercept the ship in an attempt to unlock its mysteries. The novel won both the Hugo and Nebula awards
The Tales of the Pirx the Pilot by Lem also has a story where the young pilot stumbles upon a dead alien shit drifting through the Solar system.
Rama was a bit less fun than Pirx, tell you that.
@@vladimirdyuzhev You can smell anything in space. Wait is that the right quote =-)
I watched Avi Loeb talk about the object on joe's podcast and from what I remember he made no claims as to whether it was alien-made or not, but that to rule out the possibility while the possibility remained for the sake of your own scholarly reputation was not only stupid, but irresponsible and unexciting and that he felt there was enough unanswered questions about the object to warrant the possibility.
That said he made a lot of other appearances after that and certainly got a lot of attention so maybe he did say more plainly it was alien-made. Anyways this explanation is as good as any even if the image does look like an interstellar bunghole. Another great video thanks wonderful fella
The thing is, many explanations were being thrown around apart from the alien craft. Loeb wasn’t saying it was aliens, but he was annoyed to put it mildly that many academics mocked the idea of it being synthetic in origin while openly promoting ideas of it being made of materials that have never been observed or created. Their ideas were/are just as implausible as the craft but discredited the idea without presenting a counter argument to it. His argument is very fair
Another point that Avi makes is that the hypothesis the object is alien space junk or whatever is objectively more plausible than other ideas that have somehow gained a lot of traction. E.g. think about string theory with many extra dimensions that we cannot see, or multiverses.
Avi is just trying to sell books by making himself look like a poor brilliant martyr. The guys a charlatan.
@@rrson648 “Guy’s a charlatan” by being Harvard’s Head of Astronomy? He’s making a critique of the current status of academia, not only this, but the privatization of scientific data funded by taxpayers, amongst other things, which many other important people have pointed out as well. He’s sharing his viewpoint like anyone is allowed. He a respected figure. What now, every scientist that sells books is a charlatan as well?
Go back to your couch and eat your rubbish, greaseball
I also read Avi Loeb’s book ( EXTRATERRESTRIAL) and the above two / three posts are pretty close to my personal interpretation of Loeb’s position. I don’t remember Loeb saying it must be aliens, only that it was possible that it could be.
I think the main thrust of Loeb’s book, and his interviews that I heard, is that for scientists to proclaim that it absolutely is not a fabricated item is incorrect.
Keeping an open mind about that possibility, until new data (if ever) becomes available, is reasonable. Selectively crucifying Loeb for mentioning this possibility, when other “crazy”, unprovable (currently) ideas seem to be acceptable scientific dogma (string theory, multiverse, etc...) seems to be unfair.
Loeb laid out a couple of solid reasons why it might be an artificial object. My “gut” tells me that the object was probably natural in nature. My critically thinking brain allows for the possibility of other possibilities.
This new analysis of the old (original) data is yet another possible explanation of what Oumuamua might have been. Kudos to these scientists who keep working the problem.
Kudos also to Loeb for pushing back against the ossified section of the scientific community that says “it ain’t never aliens ever, end of topic, and stop bring it up”.
G’night wonderful people and peace ✌️.
"It may be ugly, but its the fastest rock in this sectar"
Not only that, it's the ship that made the Kessel run in under twelve parsecs!
"You may not like it, but this is what peak asteroid looks like"
@@3zzzTyle Wait until LSST is in operation in a few months. More formally known as the Vera C. Rubin observatory, from a mountain top in Chile, it will scan the skies continually and find all sorts of previously-unknown faint, slow-moving objects. Suddenly we'll see lots of interstellar visitors, maybe Planet 9 (if it exists), more stuff in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, etc. Minds will be blown.
I want one!
Imo it's a beautiful object. Far from ugly
Thanks for keeping us informed
Every Analysis of Anton's is brilliant
"It looks like a bar of soap after you use it for a long time."
lmao
Where’s the soap? It does, doesn’t it ! LOL. Classic two Nuns in the shower sketch.
When God drops the soap.
Plot twist: it's Cthulhu's poop
it's the god damn millenium falcon
It reminds me of the candybar on caddyshack.
I’m watching this randomly while high as hell and it makes so much sense
Idiot
@@bennyboy2079 cringy boy
I be doing the same shit 😂
Wait for me Jeebuz!! I’m coming!!!
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....'keep your mind open, but not so open so your brains fall out"....I love it! Brilliant, informative video
This sounds like having the answer to a math problem and trying to create a formula to show how you got it.
That's still better than
"What's your answer?"
"Aliens."
And how did you arrive at that answer?"
"Also aliens."
This is how logic works.
Right? Its trade these assumptions that you have for these assumptions we have is basically what just happened lmao
@@impact0r It doesn't make it exempt from fallacy.
@@wilsonmpesha904 Elaborate, please.
on behalf of all here Anton thank you for being the Opposite of Scientific Ego
I really appreciate you addressing the ego of scientists when it comes to discovery. I have heard so many different theories for Oumuamua and planet 9 and some people are really.... aggressive in asserting their hypothesis as fact.
So are scientists who pull some extremely implausible explanations out of their asses though. Thats really not helping either and thats not really a matter of occams razor. If your explanation doesnt make sense, it doesnt hold up. Period.
but that's literally what he just did...this is a hypothesis and he's talking about it like it's a fact that somehow debunks the other hypothesis which is absurd and untrue. Nothing has been proven, it's all conjecture.
@@xlilxillx "Aliens" were a hypothesis too and this one is the much simpler explanation.
@@haraldhimmel5687 I think aliens destroyed a Pluto type planet with some sort of death ray sending a chunk of it spinning off into space!!
@@haraldhimmel5687 simple does not imply correct. more likely? maybe, it's fair to say that but anything other than that is ridiculous as nothing is proven and likely never will be. we're talking about conjecture based on a detection of a signal the size of a pixel, the amount of extrapolation and conjecture going on here on all sides is far outside the realm of the repeatable, testable hypothesis known as the scientific method. this is an educated guess at best
That was a very clear and concise explanation.