Plagiarism, Homosexuality, Pastoral Integrity and the State of the SBC: An Interview With Jim Osman
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2021
- **I made a mistake in this video. I said North Point Church, pastored by Andy Stanley, is an SBC church. It was just pointed out to me that it is nondenominational. I thought that it was SBC because Andy's father, Charles Stanley, was an SBC pastor for many years and was a former president of the SBC. I apologize for my error. The issues regarding the softening of the SBC on homosexuality, however, remain and are documented in this video and others.
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One comment on the issue of homosexuality - I spent about 20 years as a homosexual. God, in His great mercy opened my eyes one day and saved me 21 years ago. While I still struggle against my sin nature, let me say that I'd rather be in the relationship with my God & Savior than anyone here on earth. Justin, thank you so much for speaking to that man in your video and I pray he does come to the real Truth and Life that is Christ
@KellyDeanBishopatgmaildotcom I think you have a valid point. It's much the same as the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus quoted the commandment "Thou shall not kill" but said that if you hate someone, you have committed murder. Good deeds are not enough. They must be good deeds done from the right motive. I think this is part of why we fall into the "But I'm a good person" trap. We tend to look solely at actions rather than motives. Of course, the only motives we can truly know are our own but we never lie as well as when we lie to ourselves. Just writing this makes me realize my own sin more than 10 mins ago. Excuse me while I go thank God for all of His mercy to me :)
This is so sad...many wolves are now among the sheep. Discernment is more important than ever Christians.
Ed Litton: “I want you to hear my heart.”
Jeremiah 17:9 ““The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?”
Exactly!
I don't want to hear the hearts of men
Litton did a few interviews last year about his sermon prep. In them, he sounds very much like JP does about the importance of studying the Word yourself. He also talks about how he doesn't steal others work or make up fake examples as if they are his own, and even brags about how deligent and creative he is with his sermons. This isn't about him or his team being lazy or careless... To boast like he does in that interview while still in the middle of that Romans series just shows a complete lack of integrity.
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Of all the people who have taken Drivers Ed with a car equipped with a brake to be used by the instructor, how can this particular example of plagiarism be used. I am sure many other drivers could have this exact thing been shown to them. This example seems a bit weak to me.❤️
As the wife of a pastor who spends hours and hours in study and prayer every week -- no less than what he believes is needed to faithfully teach the Word of God -- I am disgusted by the short cuts taken by these "men of God." I had no idea this happens. Thank you for sharing about this.
This has really saddened me. Blatantly lying to his members. How can one trust a liar preaching the Word of God, who cannot lie. Thank God for Tyndall and others for making the Holy Word available to anyone, especially believers. We need to honor their deaths by daily reading our own Bibles and being anchored in the Word. Thank you, Justin for covering these unpleasant topics to warn the Lords people. God Bless your work, sir.
Thank you for citing Tyndall. The KJV owes largely to His translation. His death (he was strangled and burned at the stake) and contribution is seldom acknowledged by today's christian world.
Tyndale, along with Balthazar Hubmeier: my favorite "Reformers".
So Litton is a liar and he supports homosexuality?
The Bible says that he will find himself in the Lake of Fire.
What a great way to end the 4th and the Lord’s day! We must preach the Word, in season and out of season. Great job, JP!
Thank you, William - blessings to you.
Always nice to see William the worst ... happy 4th American brothers. Humble Aussie checking in
@@christhompson2616 likewise, my friend. God bless you!
My Grandfather did his own praying, studying sermon writing, and preaching.
Mine too
My Dad studied for hours to prepare his sermons, travailed in prayer for his members, visited the sick, and did prison ministry. Where are these men spending their time?
@@teresanorthbaierl2099 Forgive my language, but there's no better way I can think of to put this. They spend their time kissing each others' butts.
My grandfather was an Assembly of God pastor with no seminary degree. Thank God I have his sermons so no one can ever repeat them, but I guarantee he painstakingly labored over and wrote every one of them.
@@balaamsass5540 how do you feel about speaking in tongues as a sign of baptism in the spirit? I'm attending an AOG and they don't push tongues but they do hold with it as being a sign of showing you were baptized in the HS. I haven't joined them as of yet because I struggle with this as being a work. I came out of the RCC so I Don't want a church that relies on gimmicks.
You’re right Justin. Even at Mississippi State we would have been booted immediately for plagiarism!
God bless you for your boldness in calling out sin and for your gentle heart in sharing the gospel.
I don’t think it’s plagiarism unless it’s published material or a serious dissertation. Think about jokes that are retold without attribution.
The business formula for church growth is that pastors be entertainers and celebrities. Their focus is on being better "communicators".
So finding ways to minimize the Bible study required for expositional preaching is necessary to build a popular pastor profile.
Welcome to signs of the apostasy.
You've got it figured out!
Wow. That’s an awful picture, but you’re obviously too correct. 🥺💔
I read some excerpts from Bob Buford's Leadership organization newsletter, back when Herescope was writing about the Church Growth Movement. One writer suggested, "Challenge the gospel."
Church growth is about something, but it is not about salvation and the gospel.
@@lindajohnson4204 WOW!
It's weird... why do they care about a big church? Why do they turn church into not church for the world.. nowhere in the Bible does it say unbelievers should go to church. Pastors need to feed the sheep, not entertain the goats
Using an "independent" research team to craft sermons seems a lot like the Seeker Sensitive/ Market Driven approach - but lazier.
Spot on. Seeker pastors have been using Rick Warrens pre written sermons for years. It a common method for biblically unqualified ministers.
Correct
@@TheJpep2424 Rick Warren started Pastors . Com, where I understand there are sermon resources. Someone on here mentioned looking into Docent Research Group. On a simple cursory search, I found a video with Presbyterian SJW, Tim Keller on their 'Consulting' segment. There's a rabbit hole here.
Yes that's the right way to put it... LAZIER!!
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Whatever happened to a pastor being filled with the Spirit of God to feed the flock by discerning a message from the Word of God?
...to deliver something personal, and unique to the congregation...
What we have today is a bunch of crooked used car salesman...wink wink.. 💰🤑
Perfectly said “ a seared conscience “! When you continue in your sin without repentance you are disqualified as a Pastor,A leader!
This grieves me and I think Litton needs to step down. Essentially Litton is saying I employ a team to be more relevant. The Gospel doesn’t require a modern day spin. As the parent of baptist seminary grads I find this appalling. Is this the new seminary standard? This is not leadership and if we settle for this we’ll settle for anything.
I think everyone who used someone else's sermon should step down, and that's a lot of people.
Seminary students would receive a failing grade if they did this, and they might even be expelled. If the SBC leadership doesn't think our seminary students will notice this double standard, they are kidding themselves.
This is breaking my heart as a life-long member and multi-decade worker in the SBC.
Be encouraged, dear sister, for in the providence of God, your suffering will not be unrequited. Stay true to His Word and watch how the Lord separates the wheat from the tares.
The bible is an idol and one of the gods of the SBC is peter ruckman.
@@ricdavid7476 You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
@@ricdavid7476 Pseudo-intellectual hogwash. How can you even know there's a Holy Spirit apart from the Bible? How can you know of Jesus apart from the Bible?
@@ricdavid7476 In the first place, I never said any such thing you know it. The fact that you put such words in my mouth is a glaring testimony to your lack of intellectual integrity. You clearly know no more about history than you do about the Bible. I never said people who couldn't read the Bible are going to hell, but the Bible does say all liars will go there. You are clearly a liar.
A true, regenerated Christian grieves over his sin. He does not justify or rationalize. Or grieve just because he got caught.
Bad fruit.
If students are expelled from college or university for plagiarism, how is this allowed in the Church?
Great question 🤔
My daughter knows about this in high school.
Not everyone has the same passion against plagiarism. For example, plagiarism won’t prevent a person from being elected President of the United States.
Exactly.
Unfortunately, lower standards. I don't see why Justin Peters goes on about "even a secular institution would [reprimand for XYZ behavior]" ... secular institutions often have higher standards for behavior (within the scope of their concern) than do churches.
Sounds like Docent recycles it's sermons & does not keep a record of who preached them. I have one word ...laziness. I want my pastor to explain the Bible, not regurgitate someone else's text. Disgraceful
Bingo!
Ed Litton didn’t plagiarize from JD Greear. He preached the same Sermon In A Box
@@thepolingclan This is what I think happened. Greear is being overlooked in this scandal because Litton screwed up so blatantly.
Its not just laziness. While still in this Romans series, Litton gave an interview about his sermon prep, speaking out against everything he was doing himself.
Oh my goodness!!!!
This is so very sad and infuriating at the same time.
What a horrible horrible mess!!!!!
Great video Justin. Not saying it was easy but thank you for always standing on Truth.
A grown man, especially a "man of God", should not even have this in mind as a "pastor". This is really embarrassing for the sbc.
That's truth. Despite a man's physical age, he can still be a babe in Christ.
Believe me, many Southern Baptists are embarrassed. I only hope their embarrassment will lead to action.
Its despicable, Greer just gravels and practically worships any and everything LGBT etc. related. He's a sad weak little man, and is invalid as a so called "pastor".
I didnt know the sbc had so many pastors serving up cookie-cutter McSermons. Its more of a franchize than a denomination.
McSermons!!!
Parts of it are, but there are a lot of good churches still on there. Usually many of the rural and some suburban ones are still good, but the large urban ones tend to push and drive most the bad nonsense because they are all about numbers.
Wow! What a fantastic analogy✝️😇❤️……..franchises
McSermons Happy Meals🍞
Thank you for properly addressing this serious issue Justin and Pastor Jim.Many Christians think it is not a big problem. Plagiarism is a crime in the academic world, how much more grave it is when concerning a pastor handling the Holy Word. God Bless.
This is so helpful, encouraging and convicting for me as a woman leading a women's bible study. I'm going to be leading them through the book of Psalms beginning in September and as I've listened to your discussion with pastor Osmon, I have seen that I'm still fearful and not trusting God to bring me deeper into the text so that I am transformed by the text and can effectively communicate the truth of the text. I need to pray for the grace of humility and trust that God will do as he has promised. Thank you and may God bless you both richly because of your wise guidance for studying scripture. I'm so blessed by your ministry Justin.
Btw, when Greear says that group saved him a lot of time studying I thought what do you have to do as a pastor that’s more important than studying God’s word for your flock? 🤔 I mean really, what??? Timothy could have copied all of Paul’s sermons so he could get onto more important business but only J D Greear and his friends know what that is apparently. Who needs that studying to show yourself approved stuff?
I'm real dumb. I don't understand why anyone would want to give up their time with the Holy Spirit who is the revealer and energizer of the Gospel (and from Whom a deeper understanding of the redeeming death and resurrection of Jesus is provided), to a team of others who aren't given God's commission to pastor their fellowship. How does that work??? God anoints and appoints men to be shepherds of a group of believers and to know, love and commit to them. How clever of Jim to compare giving sermon preparation to others, with handing over the responsibility for loving his wife to others. Great analogy! These are the two great loves of Jim's life. He's clearly not going to give them to anyone else to care for! We must all fight for time to spend in His Word and long to be led to a deeper understanding of His glorious gift of Himself. Everything else is secondary. Everything else MUST BE secondary. The question has to be asked - who is Jesus to these men who steal from one another?? Do they think our God doesn't see what they're saying and doing?? Do they not know they are lying to the King of Kings and Almighty Creator of the Universe? A pastor's job in his sermons is to exposit scripture and encourage those in his care to search the scriptures for themselves and share the joy and privilege of learning about our wonderful God with others. Great video! Thank you Justin and Jim.
I'm a member of a Southern Baptist church. My pastor graduated from Masters. So no way would he quote from anything or any person without citing the source. Also, he does the work bc he takes God's word seriously. His **expositional** sermons reflect the time, effort, and prayer he spends. He doesn't try to look hip or cool or to appeal to the culture, which is how Greer and Litton come across. The ship has sunk. Thank you for your vids.
That's great! ✝️
Very impressed with Jim! If he was a pastor near me I'd definitely go there! God bless you guys and I hope Litton truly repents instead of trying to wriggle out of this.
Excellent interview. Thank you, Brother Justin. We can always count on you to help sharpen our discernment.
Thank you for this and thank you for always staying firm in God's Truth!
They both remind me of old snake oil salesman. We have to be aware of such as these. So thankful to you for bringing attention. Thank you
Very eye opening discussion. I agree with Jim Osman about calling out those who have been silent for years as these things have been going on. The increasing compromise won’t stop unless it is called out for what it is.
Pastor Jim Osman is a thoughtful and interesting person.
He's one of the finest expositors I've ever heard.
Agreed. Certainly one of the finest expository teachers and With a pastors heart. Pure solid sound doctrine and his congregation is very blessed to grow in such green pastures
@@JustinPetersMin I feel the same way about my pastor at Compass Bible Church. Pastor Mike Fabarez
@@JustinPetersMin ...my Brother Justin, I love you and thank God for your contribution to the body of Christ. I want to come to a point w/o sounding ungrateful or unfair, but your friend Jim, who I have never listen to before, but love everything he stands for from what I have heard in this video, said several times (fervently), that Al Mohler (paraphrased) 'is at fault for not being more outspoken against Greear and Litton for their apostasy from biblical ethics in the SBC.' Yes, Mohler does have the platform and reputation to be heard and should call out these terrible wrongs, but has Jim asked Mohler personally why he has not mentioned this publically, like on 'The Breifing', before he starts slamming him for doing nothing at all? Do we have any facts about what Mohler has or has not said or done in regards to this issue? Wouldn't this be a better way to speak about Mohler first before this public smackdown of a brother in Christ? I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ and desire that we remember that speaking against a child of God, especially in a public forum or social media outlet, should tempered with love and with as much facts as possible, so that public opinion doesn't be mislead (like news, tv, radio, internet, etc. does all the time) and become more slanderous and hurtful towards a person.
Bro Justin, you go through this all the time and know what I'm trying to say. So please help me to understand if I have made a mistake or misunderstood something, but any opinion from you would be greatly appreciated.
He is self-important and arrogant.
Wow. “…farm out your exegesis and time with the Lord to someone else.” This pastor nails it. I can’t believe the largest denomination is shrugging this off.
God bless you, Brother Justin!
God bless you as well, Captain
Justin, this is outstanding. Thank you for your work to expose these false teachers.
I would dearly like to see someone dig deeper into Docent Research Group.
I strongly suspicion there are connections between them and some nefarious people/organizations.
I just looked them up. I literally gasped: on their 'Consulting' page, they have a video with Tim Keller. Er, yeeeeah 😒...stay far away.
@@Mary_Kraensel And that’s just at a glance.
Who founded Docent?
Where was he educated?
What are his doctrinal leanings?
What are his political leanings?
Is he politically connected to any people or groups with theological and political leanings?
Does Docent receive grants, donations or funding from outside people or groups?
How might these things impact the content that Docent creates?
I'd be more interested in which church leaders use it and how that circle influences others - Like it currently shows Keller, Greer and Litton all linked - How many others do not live out the Word that they study?
When you dig deep on Docent, you will be shocked at the political and theological players/researchers, including Docent's Big Guy
Justin Peters is my dear friend and a mountain of a Godly man! Brother, you mean so much to me personally, and I praise God that He has given you the boldness to stand upon the truth for the sake of the glory of God and the proclamation and defense of the truth. Jim Osman is 100% correct that the leaders of the SBC are cowards and will not stand up against the sinfulness and wickedness that is being promoted inside the SBC. Jesus warned about those who loved money, fame, and power more than His sheep. John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf snatches them and scatters the flock. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and does not care about the sheep.
Thank you Brother Justin and Brother Jim, God bless you both and your family and ministry. Sad thing is, this is not just happening in the Baptist, but other denominational and non-denominational pastors too. This is very helpful, an definitely an eye opener as well if I were to attend other churches I know what to be aware of and look for in thee midst.
Lots of love and respect to Justin Peters and all the viewers. May God have mercy on the USA.
Thank you for referring Jim Osman’s church. He’s great!! He’s going through Hebrews 10, all original sermons. God bless!
From the denomination that condones the likes of Rick Warren... this really is par for the course. Itching ears bring upon such preachers as judgment.
This coordinated leaving is a good idea. I think it would be beneficial.
Yes agreed, but doesn't the denomination own the churches/properties? Not a reason to stay...just a question.
My pastor researches and prays and takes days and many hours to prepare for the sermons he teaches. He’s only 25 and is farrrr beyond these silly men in wisdom and stature. I call him my young Timothy. We are soo blessed to have such a pastor at our Church. We are apart of Village Missions and they get churches and pastors in rural communities. The Pastor the provide are Christ centered. Thanks for another video showing the nonsense that is running throughout to many “churches “ now days. The division between truth of Christ and the lies is growing faster each day.
Thank-you for pointing out how much I should value the work my faithful preachers do, and how blessed I am to have them as my pastors along with excellent elders. I am saddened to think that I have undervalued them and their work. I praise God for faithful, hard working and courageous men who are preaching the word.
What a blessing your ministry is to the body of Christ. Thank you, dear brother.
The sad reality is, Ed Litton’s not going to step down. The SBC has spoken on who they want to lead them. The only way I can see him being removed is if this scandal brings enough heat to make the SBC look bad.
SBC already is looking bad due to this. It saddens me.
I'm writing a sermon I would like you guys to see. It's still early, but I'm calling "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God".
Preaching against sin and the consequences is considered hate speech by the world...
Seems many churches are the Same!
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@@6502Assembler I was an atheist and God opened my eyes and saved me 😞😁😇🙏 Repent because The Lord Christ Jesus is returning very soon.Romans 1:17-32 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Yes, the world will say that, but the world is lost.
@@6502Assembler It's a supernatural event by the Holy Spirit and God. Ephesians 1:4-14 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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As an SBC Pastor, I am at my discouraged and deeply saddened at the state the SBC is in. I'm a simple bi-vocational pastor in Michigan currently not pastoring a church. I didn't go to an SBC Seminary (Moody Theological Seminary), I'm taking this summer to decern whether God is guiding me to start a church or pastor a church. But I am giving serious thought to leaving the SBC.
@Carl Martinez I am but I am closely aligned with Founder’s Ministry.
I live in England, & I listen & learn from Jim sermons every week. Thank you Justin for linking me up to Kootenai church & Jim.
My concern is that this goes beyond plagiarism to the both of them being willing conduits of a yet unknown third party intentionally attempting to subvert the church.
And the driver's-ed illustration ... I'm not convinced it's authentic for either of them. How do you justify interjecting false-memory stories into a sermon and maintain at the same time Biblical narratives are literally true. Anyone listening to Greear or Litton can justifiably ask if the story of Jonah is historically true, or would it be fine if it was made up by some ancient Hebrew writer as long as it was to illustrate a valid point.
Bingo
@Kizito Kanu Jen WIlkin is employed by The Village Church and has been for quite a while basically meaning that Matt Chandler is her pastor.
I believe that BLM and liberals are attempting to hijack SBC for the financial profit in order to use for liberal politics.
@Kizito Kanu I agree. SBC needs to get out of the political arena and start preaching Biblical truths about Jesus. This is probably part of the great deception taking place in the last days.
@Kizito Kanu In a sense I agree with what you say. But on the other hand, if we did not have a chance at redemption by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, I'd be lost and headed for hell.
It is very clear Litton will not come clean and repent because those in the power structure of the SBC care about the cultural direction of the convention rather than the word of God and his truth alone.
Unfortunately these seeker sensitive church pastors are too proud, power hungry and money centered to step down. A redeemed man should live with integrity. Litton likes what he has so he will fight to keep all his kingdom at Redemption Church. He thinks he’s going to out last the uproar which frankly isn’t as big as it should be.
Thanks Justin Peters for giving a solid biblical analysis of this shameful pastor’s mess.
I truly don't understand why anyone wants to be a preacher/teacher/pastor unless it's to tell others what they read in the text, or... power/money/fame. Thank you for your ministry Mr. Peters.
Wow, sermon marketing, that's interesting. How sad that "a man of God" needs such a service. So much for praying thoughtfully through the study of the week's sermon, studying scripture, etc. (Which is a God-given gift and talent) and letting the Holy Spirit do His work. Osman has a wonderful way of explaining things. Thank you for illuminating the truth Justin, as always.
What bothers me as much as the plagiarism is the lying and excuses, and then deleting videos under the guise of "transparency." God whispers about sin?? Not in my Bible.
God doesn’t whisper about anything, that quote isn’t biblical and RC Sproul.
God is holy and cannot be in the presence of *any* sin. It is nothing to whisper about when it condemns you.
The SBC has found a “pet sin” to defend to look good in the eyes of the wicked.
@@Marlaina a couple of “pet sins”, it seems.
Thank you for the thoughtful treatment of these important issues. I appreciate both of your time!
Pretty telling when JD says his chief role is a communicator. Shouldn't it be a pastor?
I'm not sure if it's still true because I don't listen any longer but I remember the intro to his radio program where he was presented as author first, then some other attribution, then pastor last. I actually write his ministry to complain. What a foreshadow of his character
Who is JD?
"Influencer"?
That's how i started studying the Word. Every thing man taught me i had to push aside and just let His Word and His Spirit to teach me. To many things out of kilter with the church theology.
Justin I love your teaching. What’s the chances of you doing an episode of “what’s on my bookshelf” ... I think I am not alone when I ask myself what is a solid author, systematic theology, Bible commentary (I have MacArthur).
So that research group is basically Build-A-Bear sermons.
More like a Great Value Walmart ripoff of Build A Bear. Plagiarizing a plagiarizer.
@@newlookknicks1 "Made in China"
I have visited many SBC churches and have found numerous sermons read word for word from internet sermon sites. I am afraid it's not a problem just at the top of the SBC. It was once a calling and now for many it's just a job!
Will you ever do a video on Craig Groeschel? I think it would be very informative. I know a lot of people who listen to him and I’ve told them multiple times he’s a false teacher and very dangerous. Would love to see your input on him Justin. As alway, amazing job on this video!
Especially if done well - Rosebrough did one I think, but it was too biased for those that follow Groeschel. It worked for me, but I wasn't that enamored with him to begin with.
The "Driver's Ed" analogy is absolutely awful when you think about it for two seconds. If you're the one in the passenger's seat with the emergency brake and God is the one at the wheel, does that mean that you're teaching God how to drive?
Blessings teacher justin!! Thank you for sharing these too people..I can't call them PASTORS.....SHAMEFUL...my prayers are always with you and your wife...
Amen, brother! Thank God for men like you and Pastor Jim!
Thank you so much for taking the time to do these interviews and videos. I have learned and been encouraged so much by them.
JIMS PREACHING IS THE BEST I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS! I WOULD HAPPILY LISTEN TO HIS TEACHING ALL DAY!
Blessings to you brother Justin from Japan!! Could not be anymore proud. May there will be hope and revivals and true accountability be done in our SBC churches and our SBC leaders. I prayed for Dr. Mohler to win but hopefully there will be a revival and a conversion, especially a repentance (even for CBF churches). Continue in prayer. Blessings from an SBTS student!
Now the light is shining on Docent. With every expose I think about how Jim explained the prep time that a pastor needs in order to properly preach. Thank you, JP for this interview.
Fully agreed. The SBC, as a denomination/association, is being judged and disassembled by God. Any Bible believing SB church should obey Rev 18:4-5 (which has a specific context but the principle is throughout the Bible). If they want to join another association that is conservative, that is fine, or stand alone. A denomination, association, or parachurch ministry is a man-made entity, which can be helpful if it submits to biblical truth and principles. But if it doesn't it needs to become extinct. God has only designed the church to prevail against the gates of hell. But even a local church, if it becomes heretical, will be rejected by Christ (Rev 2:5, 3:16). The effort, time, money, etc. (politics, basically) spent trying to save the SBC would be far, far better spent doing other things, biblical things.
I would be gone but there are few choices in a small southern town.
@@Inhim7800 I know, it's tough. Here in rural east TN the choices are very few, despite a plethora of churches.
Little bit of a leap and jump to insinuate that I, an SBC pastor, should remove my church from affiliation with 47,000 other churches because one of our elected leaders has been proven to be a parrot. How about he just repent, step away, and let the rest of us go on in cooperation?
@@gniklaw1 I understand what you are saying, but the SBC's problems (mostly at the top) run deep and wide. This latest issue is just one of dozens, if not hundreds, of deeply seriousness issues. Luther wanted to reform the church of his day, but it wasn't going to happen, thus the protestant reformation was the only answer for bible-believing Christians. I believe the SBC is near the same point.
@@gniklaw1 Pastor your missing the point, it runs way deeper than speaker Litton,
Great interview and great insight. Thank you Justin and Jim!
We left a Wesleyan church when my wife, who worked in the office, called out the pastor for preaching sermons that she found online. He rationalized it too.
What a mess 🤦🏼♂️
It definitely is
"Plagiarism, Homosexuality, Pastoral Integrity" problems. Sounds about right. The fact that churches are not leaving in droves says a lot about what the pastors/church leaders believe, which most certainly is not Sola Scriptura.
There are some in the SBC that will. Inside the SBC there is a large, and growing, group that is fighting against all of this. They are hoping to get in better leadership next year. As well with the detached nature of the SBC, the individual churches don't have to follow the motions that are passed.
Those guys don't have the Holy Spirit to convict them lol
A few months ago here where I live a local Southern Baptist pastor got voted out by the congregation for plagiarism as well. I have a feeling it's a pretty rampant thing that's just starting to come out. The whole mess is just sad.
Blessed by you both and your instruction on sermon/class prep, much appreciated, thank you!
There will no repercussions to this scandal. Not one single pastor will stand up against this and proclaim the truth of God's word.
Good to call out the Mohlers and the Devers..... you’re right......
Judgement is here.....
I was done with Mohler after his cowardice at Shepherd's Conference awhile back.
Appreciate your videos.
Thank you so much :)
Thank you for sharing this video. I’m glad you are doing this ministry and for being a loving brother in Christ.. Your honesty is so refreshing. Thanks 🙏
Churches today promote emotions as a validation of truth rather than God's word being the validation of truth. Fill up on the word folks, you need it!
Brothers Justin and Jim, thank you for this video. It was eye opening and showed me why, how and what I should be praying with regards to my pastor.
Justin, I spent many yrs in the Catholic faith, then went to Methodist, but left those for all the problems discussed here and others; currently now attending a Baptist church in the south. I feel like I am constantly running away from this human sin that is prevalent in all our churches. Thank you for bringing light these problems. This video needs to be sent to all Baptist pastors. They need to make a decision. I know that I will not join my church until I know for sure they make the right decision.
One of the best quick synopses of the pastor's labor of exegetical study and personal examination in preparation for biblical preaching (around time mark 29:30) I've ever heard. Thank you Justin and Jim!
Far cry from when Rogers and Criswell were SBC president
Thank you gentlemen for standing up for the truth! God bless your efforts.
What a blessing you must be to your congregation pastor Osman!!
Oh wow. So that parody I've seen all over RUclips where people are sitting in their cars at the drive thru waiting to order a sermon catered to their personal taste is actually a real thing some pastors are doing in real life.
I'm not sure why that surprises me in this day and age, but it does. Now I'm wondering if the parody idea was borrowed from the research company, or if the idea for the research company was borrowed from the parody. 🤦🏻♀️
I remember seeing a "Me Church" skit years ago. Your illustration reminds me of that.
Prior to this scandal, I had no idea some pastors plagiarised other people's work and employed or paid others to help them research and write their weekly sermons.
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt Yes, same here, and it's sad on more levels than just the obvious one of dishonesty. My parents met in Bible College a million years, and for most of my life, my dad pastored our church, so I watched him spend countless hours burning the midnight oil to pour over Bible translations, commentaries, books and anything valuable he could get his hands on.
I mention that in this context, because my dad was diagnosed with Parkinson's Disease a few years ago and his handwriting was one of the first things to go. I inherited my love of calligraphy by watching him write while preparing his sermons, and now he can barely walk or complete a fully coherent sentence. It's so hard to watch.
My father is losing more of his motor functions almost everyday, it seems, but if you were to walk past his desk even now, you'd see his Bible open and a pen in hand to write down any notes that catch his attention. He can barely hold that pen anymore, but whatever strength he has left is given to chasing after God.
When I heard about this plagiarism situation I think it shocked me so much because I can't understand how any fully abled pastor, teacher or ministry leader would want to farm his sermons out for sometime else to work on our complete, much less copy verbatim and sell them as his own words.
My father can even barely stand up on his own and his handwriting is barely legible, but he's holding on to as much as he can when it comes to studying Scripture. And he's been studying it longer than most people have even been alive, because the Bible is to him a pearl of the greatest price. He genuinely treasures every moment he gets to spend with it.
When my father goes to be with Lord, he's leaving behind him a massive treasure trove of nearly his entire life's work in the form of hundreds of tapes, thousands of pages of type written notes, videos of his sermons, and shelves full of spiral notebooks filled with practically everything he's ever learned since getting a Bible.
Yes, plagiarism is deceitful and wrong, but what feels even worse to me that these men treated God's Word and sheep with wilful negligence, as if they couldn't be bothered to take either one seriously enough to do the work and research for themselves. And when they pass away, what are they leaving behind for their church or families to inherite and glean wisdom from after all those years of fulfilling the imperative to feed the Lords sheep? A collection of plagiarized sermons, many of which are still unbiblical and would serve the church best by being tossed in the trash?
It's hard to wrap my brain around that. I don't understand how someone that's been given the incredible honor of shepherding the Lord's flock could treat it as though it's worth little more than weekly entertainment.
I just don't understand it. 😔
@@SolaGratia. Your father is a gift. Make sure you tell him.
Well, it looks like the rank and file in the SBC pews will have to proceed prayerfully and be the ones to address these issues.
Jim does a great job. You know where you stand with Jim Osman. ( You as well Justin. I love your love your forthright approach).
“Do you know why being a serial killer won’t send you to hell? Because not being a serial killer doesn’t send you to heaven.” Imagine framing any kind of sin that way. Makes no sense at all.
Alot doesn't make sense bc some of what we have been taught isn't true. When something doesn't make sense a red flag should go up---not (in some cases) bastardizing scripture to prove an agenda or hobby horse. Once you start believing everything without questioning then deception creeps in. There is not the scripture basis for this place called "hell". Neither is the several times edited scripture. JC preached love and forgiveness---period. Imagine if we just start there,
@@koakat4340 Luke 16:19-31 (ESV) 19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house-- 28 for I have five brothers--so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”
God bless you Brothers in Christ and servants of the LORD
Thank you for your work! God bless 🙏🏻
‘Healthy LGBTQ Christ-centered relationships’. What ??? 😳
Seriously??!!
I know right???!!!
yes I found that comment strange too. There's no such thing.
I suggest looking up Beckett Cook’s channel on here and watch his videos regarding his past lifestyle as a gay man and now his regenerate life in Christ.
His story is so beautiful and needs to be heard!
WHAT 😮🙅
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️ Justin and Pastor Osman. Gratitude for your Integrity....a rare commodity in this day and age. Did you hear the angels singing hallelujah and praising God during your presentation???
I just love you guys standing firm on rightly dividing the Word of God.❤️ Finding a church in my home town has been brutal. I’d go to Kootnie in a heartbeat. Send someone to my hometown!
it also troubles me to see Greer wearing Jordans while preaching in a Sunday service.
Have you seen or read about the site Preachers In Sneakers?
Well I’m heartbroken and left my SBC and now can’t go back but left before I heard this! Thank you so much for the truth! But how sad is this? God bless you for revealing this!🙏🌈✝️
Excellent job brother holding their feet to the fire. Thumbs up!
i appreciate these brothers; Jim Osman and Justin Peters; these are men of integrity and always worth listening to when you want to know the truth of scripture!
Nothing gets me more excited than a JP Ministry video upload 😁
I love that you guys are bold enough to call out the “big Eva” guys (& gals) along with the low hanging fruit prosperity guys.
I’d love to see you have Jon Harris on Justin, he’s doing some amazing work in the discernment/woke church area.
Yes he is! I found Conversations That Matter at the beginning of this year and need to catch up.
GOD LORD JESUS CHRIST BLESS YOU PASTOR PETERS AND PASTOR OSMAN FOR YOUR WORK IN THE NAME OF JESUS ! THANK YOU !