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An Interview With Susan Heck On Beth Moore
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2021
- Beth Moore has finally eschewed biblical complementarianism and come out of the egalitarian closet. In this program, I interview Susan Heck (who has every book in the New Testament memorized and several in the Old) about her concerns with Beth Moore. I also ask Susan about the egalitarian arguments of Priscilla, the women at the tomb, and Deborah.
Websites of the ladies mentioned in this video with much more information on the concerns with Beth Moore:
Susan Heck
www.withthemaster.org
DebbieLynne Kespert
headstickdeb.com
Michelle Lesley
michellelesley.com/2019/07/08...
Martha Peace
marthapeacetew.blogspot.com
Elizabeth Prata
the-end-time.org/2017/12/03/a...
Amy Spreeman
naomistable.com/author/ntable...
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Luckily my husband, who was always a believer but not interested in reading the Bible or going to church, was flexible with me and understood how important it was to me to go to church and spend time in prayer and the Word. Over a few months of continued prayer for his salvation, he is now a dedicated church-goer with me and we read the Bible together nightly :)
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🙏🏼 Awesome God is good
May God bless you and your family!
Praise God! ❤️ I’m going through the same thing with my husband currently. I hope and pray for a similar outcome as yours!
As a single woman, it's nice to know I can listen to someone who is truly of God. Thank you Susan.
Shame shame on you!!! Oh I brill follow her. Love love love her!!!
Shame on Who?
Study the Bible and not Moore’s books. Then you’ll understand what this is all
about.
Amen 💯🎯@@elizabethrehrig3300
I started Beth's bible studies back in 2003. I had never studied or memorized scripture like I did with her. That being said, I stopped following her several years ago when she seemed to be more interested in being politically correct than biblically correct. I'll always be grateful for the love of Scripture that was instilled in me, and I do pray that she is okay.
I heard her say she has reached perfection she has arrived sinless that is so false
@@lourusk7631 that is a sad statement to make
@@lourusk7631 You heard her say. Do you have any source that you can cite that backs up your statement? Do you have two or three witnesses that can back up your statement? If not, I would not be repeating this. -pastor
@@lourusk7631 I believe that is Joyce Meyer. Beth Moore always acknowledges that she is a sinner in need of God’s grace.
@@lourusk7631 Careful - please don't type this sort of thing about anyone.
A barnburner of an interview. Susan Heck is an encouragement for anyone wanting to memorize Scripture. The entire New Testament? That is outstanding. May the LORD bless you both!
That's just awesome
I am very impressed by that even though I’m skeptical of other things
And didn’t James Robison introduce her to the body of Christ on his show??? Just asking.
Thank you for interviewing this sister! I am encouraged to listen to her teachings. We women have far too few mature women teachers & I have honestly been asking the Lord for a mentor that is under biblical leadership.🥰
i thank God for Susan Heck; during the early days of the COVID-19 shutdown, God used her to show me by the word that i was at the wrong church. Excellent Bible teacher, i have learned so much from her!
Hope ms Heck teaches about Gods word regarding judgement of others. If you don’t know her you shouldn’t ask a question like is she drinking is that why she isn’t teaching the word rightly
I think people wonder why she would.walk up to a stranger, a man, in the airport and ask to brush his hair...That seems a LITTLE weird to me ... .😮 . ..........@@clayhill8911
Also, Beth Moore said that JESUS asked her to go outside and to build snowmen with Him... Excuse me, but doesn't this seem a little bit strange😮
@@clayhill8911Bible says that we Christians are to judge other proclaimed Christians, but we are not to judge sinners. Sinners are God's job.
Honestly I think Beth Moore’s real issues began when her daughter graduated either from Princeton or Yale seminary and came home and began teaching her I remember seeing that in a video she did and she exclaimed how her daughter was enlightening her, and then there after she had her daughter checking all of her theology, so I think she’s been enlightened by the secular seminary elite schools
Yes! You’re absolutely right! I have taught several of these studies, in times past, and I’ve had to correct her teaching, Hebrew AND her daughter’s, MANY a times!
Knowing what we now know about Ivy League Universities, I doubt very seriously that Beth Moore's daughter qualified for entry into any university with rigorous scholastic standards. Entry into and degrees from these universities are purchased and not earned.
@@paulascott5701 that is a serious accusation you are making
@@nancydoubleday2716 It isn't my fault that these universities have destroyed their own reputations by accepting unqualified students for reasons other than qualifications. I am 100% innocent of that and they are 100% guilty. Therefore, every person with a degree from one of these Ivey League universities falls under suspicion because the dishonest actions of the universities, not me. When the graduate in question exhibits behavior and opinions that are contrary to the subject studied, that suspicion increases. It does so by logic, not bias. I am sorry that Beth Moore's daughter has a degree form a dodgy university. I isn't my fault. Beth Moore teaches a false Christianity. I hope she turns away from it.
She (Beths daughter) attended Columbia Theological Seminary. They’re both heretics. They need prayer.
Thank you so much for talking about this! I always felt guilty because I just didn’t get the Beth Moore Bible study! I took a class at my church following one of her study guides and videos. It was so confusing to me- she talked a lot , but never said anything that was deep into the Word!
A lot like Christine Cane.
I remember years ago when Beth Moore was starting to gain popularity all the ladies in the church I was attending were going gah gah over her and going to her events. I was not impressed with her teaching and found her to be kind of wacky. I never understood why people were drawn to her.
Wacky is right & I’ll add wild-eyed! She is also, IMO, loud & look-at-me exhausting.
She is a false teacher, wolf 🐺 in sheep's clothing🐑.. she is off the right path, and she is exhausting to listen to, she is quite manic. I stopped going to her Bible study a few years ago, most of it is all about her. Many women at the Church I attend are obsessed with her, it's sad. We must be discerning, and continue to pray for discernment.
Beth Moore’s audience is comprised of professing Christians who are bored out of their mind and want their ears tickled by false teachers.
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There are a lot of different fish in the world…God didnt make us all alike. Beth Moore has a large following because people can relate to her, God set her up to attract fish that other teachers do not attract. Picking people apart like that is unGodly. If you have anything to say about her, make it about scriptural err.
I live near Houston and was enthralled by Beth Moore in the early 2000s. My sister-in-law and I at the time would drive to her Women's Bible study at First Baptist Church which held 1000 people. I was a new Christian and it seemed like she made the Bible become alive for me. I did not know what I did not know at the time. All of it was so wrong but I wouldn't understand until just a few years ago. All that time I thought I was saved but I was not. I stopped listening to her and fell away for years but I remembered that time fondly and thought I was closer to God and would buy books occasionally by her and read them but felt nothing. Eventually I felt spiritually bankrupt. I questioned if God was even real. I stumbled across John MacArthur on RUclips and quickly absorbed his sermons like a sponge. I could not get enough. And then there was Paul Washer and then there was you Justin. I finally found true repentance and faith that came from Grace that resulted in a regenerate heart. I learned about complementarianism the right way the real definition! I'm in tears right now. I know I'm stupid. If only I'd known while I was still married. I'm chronically ill so I get my sermons mostly online. Thank you for having this special lady today. I will go find her right away and follow. I need this so badly in my life! I'm actually trying to teach my 16 year old son to memorize scripture!( he takes his John MacArthur Study Bible to school and reads it to some of his friends🤯🤫❤) I want to be like you ma'am♡memorizing scripture. I take alot of meds sometimes I can't get my own thoughts out🥺 sorry for the overshare.
Thank you Justin
From one Slave to two for and in Christ
Amen
Ohhh my precious sister in Christ
I ask you Lord to heal JeanMa’s body and mind... touch her Lord by your Holy Spirit. I ask in Jesus Glorious holy name amen
Your words brought tears to my eyes, especially about how your son is reading his Bible in school. Glory you God. It’s beautiful to hear that despite what you e been through The Lord has used you and has shown His grace to your family. God bless you siater
You read the word, pray, stay in the faith and do not lose heart
I have never heard anything like this before. It seems like gossip, judgement and condemnation. I don't know this person but it seems like the word tells you to go to her. Not to gossip about her. It sounds like you are prideful and hold yourself up. We are not to follow anyone. We are supposed to be humble and kind. I wish you the best but calling people names seems to go against God.
Be careful! John MacArthur said on video years ago that even if one takes the mark of the beast, one may still go to Heaven. Scripture plainly states that anyone who takes the mark of the beast WILL not be forgiven. Be careful.
So glad to hear this. I was a BM fan for years. Now, thanks to God, I see her for what she is. I’m sticking to studying scripture for myself allowing God to speak to me.
Amen Nancy. Know scripture, and we'll know who to listen to, and who to dismiss.
Paul told us to him as he followed Christ, that should hold true of ALL who are in any type of ministry, this one included. If we keep our eyes on Jesus and not another person, we will not be disappointed. Humans always disappoint, not the intention I'm sure, but we are fallible in a fallen world. Sticking to scripture shows maturity, our relationship with Jesus, our Father and the Holy Spirit is THE most important thing.
@@sheilasmith7779 I even bought her Bible Studies and they weren’t cheap, but this was before she changed. She doesn’t resemble the Beth Moore I thought I knew. Now I have all these studies and I am stuck with them. I don’t want to sell them as I don’t want to lead women astray. Thankyou Susan for just affirming what I knew after there were men in her audience when she was on James Robinson. I was upset and stopped watching her. She always said her husband was off stage and he was was always her covering. Now I know he doesn’t have any interest in her so called ministry. This was in the late nineties and early 2000’s.
@@Anne-ry1dt I had been taking a Precepts class, which is excellent because it dives deep into scripture, and also because it has a format that the instructor must follow. We had studied some of John, and a section of Matthew.
We received notices by email of new classes that we could sign up for, and we're informed of the fee(small)
I receive the email from the instructor of a new class, and Beth Moores study material and Bible study guide would be used.
I wrote to the instructor that some of B.Moore's teaching is false,( she denies complimentarian teaching) AND, only the Precepts format is to be used for Precepts classes.
Her answer to me was that she liked Beth Moore and saw nothing objectionable in any of her teaching.
Sadly, that was the end of my Precepts classes, although I still look for others that are Precepts instructors.
Precepts courses are excellent but this woman instructor was quite,
" woke," and unwilling to consider whether Beth's teachings are unbiblical.
If we know scripture fairly well we will recognize false teachers.....and must walk away no matter how much we enjoy them.
Bestway
Thank you Susan. First time hearing you. I'm so glad you stick up for the truth of the Bible. All of it. Thank you Justin for having her. I've just started watching you as well.
Yes I saw Beth Moore back in 1997 in Germany when my husband was stationed there. She was more in line with scripture back then. I informed my Womens ministry director years ago about her teachings and how they are not biblical but they have continued to do them. We have left this church and now attending a bible teaching expository church.
Glad you left!
I attend a Presbyterian conservative church and I don't hear "repent" very often either, its not just Beth Moore who lacks. It absolutely should be spoken of much much more than it is.
Thats because ALLof these "churches" are Babylon. The voice of the bridegroom and the bride are not heard in them. We were warned of these things throughout scripture. These places are harlot houses of great confusion, Babylon means confusion. Its just like the tower of Babel. This system is also referred to as spiritual sodom and Egypt. Satan's ministers disguise themselves as ministers of righteousness, just like the scriptures say. These places are synagogues of Satan where lies are taught. Thousands of denominations claiming to be Bible believing churches but are divided against each other. Thats because the whole thing is completely carnal. Either we have heard the voice of the Son of God and come out from among them or we are under strong delusion in Babylon. Only the Good Shepherd has good and sound doctrine. People attending these places have given heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. Sounds harsh but absolute truth. Come out of her my people.
My daddy attends a Presbyterian church... led by a woman. I have told him to leave. Many Presbyterian churches are not preaching sound doctrine.
Most in Ministry.....that Talk more about themselves than Repentance..or Helping others...its So Easy to Discern what & Who they Serve..& what you are to do...Turn them OFF
Repent? My studies have shown me it means "To change ones mind". Check the Greek. Changing 1's mind is the beginning of changing 1's behavior. You won't change how you act until you change how you think & what you believe. Some are unwilling to even consider changing their mind. To reevaluate. Be leary of those who think they cant be wrong.
I do not believe it needs to be spoken more than once it needs to be practiced more. The Church is a group of believers, we already know we need to repent, and if you are reading the Bible as you should, it will remind you, and your heart should convict you.
Always a voice of reason and upholding biblical truths in a loving way.
This was very interesting to come across. A friend had wanted me to do a Beth Moore Bible study, but honestly, my spirit just did not witness to me that she was ok. I never stuck around for the particulars of why the Holy Spirit was steering me away, but now I certainly see why. Thank you, God, for your witness to me. . .
Narnia Girl. When I first got saved in 1975 I found the perfect church. The Beth Moore Bible studies were popular for the ladies of my church. I can't remember why I didn't go. I do remember I had a strange feeling about it. Now I realize that was the Holy Spirit telling me not to go. Thanks be to Jesus! 😇
Narnia girl: Just received an email for a "Precept," class, using a Beth Moore study guide.
What the heck happened to Precepts teaching?
@@Judyp77 Absolutely Judy!
Seek truth above all and the Holy Spirit will enlighten and guide us.
Dont follow people that dont follow scripture, men or women.
Exactly, my sister & I are in agreement
Wow! I just discovered Susan a little while ago. Going to begin studying her teachings. That's amazing that you know them personally! Mrs.Heck is the first Biblically sound women's Bible teacher I have found my entire life. Praise God that many women have been taught the truth.
Susan's teachings are great!
Don't forget Kay Arthur!
Michelle Lesley
Oh please
@@kelly4670 ???
Only just discovered Susan I had all but given up on finding biblical ladies studies. So was so excited and have started looking for her books.
A few years ago I was with a group of women and they were all talking about the Christian “self help and discipleship” books they were reading. I asked questions and to my surprise most have not read their Bible in ages. I put out a challenge to them to only read the Bible for 6 weeks. It was surprising how some really struggled and realised how addicted they were to these teachings and “teachers”.
Yes, you are right....the enthusiasm these false teachers are peddling, is addictive to the ego! They talked about themselves more than Christ and Him crucified for our sins.
Beth Moore "uses" the word of God, instead of teaching properly the word of God. Her rise to popularity 15 yrs ago, raised red flags to me, so I listen to her some......then I got more red flags. Honestly, her mannerisms are hard to overcome, in order to get to the point of her speeches. Which, actually is mostly about herself and experiences. Needless to say, I wasn't encouraged thru her repertoire, about her life. Nor, was my faith increased or my joy in the Lord. I think we will be seeing her even go more radical and liberal; totally away from biblical standards for how to live Christian lives. She has already renounced her previous stand on certain sexual sins, which she has made very public. She deserves a stern public rebuke!
yes it's that way with a lot of men to. So true and so pathetic. Keep standing firm in the faith dear sister
Good call! We are always to go to the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD -- FIRST!! :)
Excellent commentary. I have been to Beth Moore studies many years ago and I quit after 1st book study due to the fact it was based on feelings and fluff over substance and truth
What a mean-spirited interview on a sister in Christ. “I’m not out to condemn her” but you tear her apart with your words. “Is she medicated?” “Is she drinking?” Seriously?! Beth may be wrong in recent years about women’s roles, but her earlier Bible studies were outstanding and taught me to love the Lord and His Word with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Beth Moore another joyce Myers, Juanita B, Gloria Copeland, victoria osteen, Paula white, I do not want to be part of them.
I agree Kristin. Stay away from these self-righteous people who demonize anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do. I think some are jealous of Beth's popularity. Her teaching is solid. These idiots are actually saying Moore, who is such a gracious, forgiving person, is going to hell.
Joyce Meyer is not in the category you've grouped her in. She is a powerful teacher - not a prosperity preacher. @saramill5822
@Jubilee677 Greed gets people it doesn't matter if you are a prophet, teacher, or pastor.
Hey guys, its not bout anyone except being led by Holy Spirit to those brothers sisters in the body , that are truly solid stable and rigid in the Christ, and always point to the Divine Trinity !! Teachings Gods word,
Was never drawn to Beth Moore. So glad I had enough foundation in scripture. Been a true believer since age 14.
Me neither!
Me too! Thank God for his Holy Spirit inside me to lead & guide & discern .
Yes, exactly.....many women aren’t not thinking critically. When I bring up the same issues about Beth Moore, my friends get mad. They love entertainment more than truth.
I do agree that there are many church services that are more like entertainment than ministry. That's not to say we can't have a good time in church, but anything can be taken to an extreme. In both directions.
Yep along with the church, music and stories over scripture
So sad that they get mad. Keep putting truth into them by living it in front of them. Stay in the Word of God… the Bible .
What the heck. Have you ever confronted Beth. Now that would be biblical. I believe that publicly picking on another person in this was is disgusting. You even suggested Beth may be medicated or drinking. I am gobsmacked a pastor had said this about some one in this way. Learning the text of the Bible will not get you in to heaven, it’s the way you Love others. This is not love. It is hate.
Amen! Very true
They would not speak about a male pastor or teacher in this manner. We are told that we will be known as Christ Followers because of the love we have for one another.
Well she’s on something!
I do believe Susan mentioned that she contacted Beth Moore. Maybe a re-watch of this video might be helpful.
We Christians need to quit attacking each other she believes in Jesus and that he died for our sins and rose again, God loves her too, and you also, and you need to search your heart, God is the God of love
smh
God is also the God of truth which everyone needs!
Yes Angie. These two enjoy attacking those who don't follow their patriarchal system.
After your recommendation Justin I have started listening to Susan’s bible studies on her channel, and I have learnt so much so thank you.💕
@Justin Peters Go away, scammer!
@@judylloyd7901 why would someone do this'? I guess it makes him feel important.😔
Thank you for introducing me to Susan. I can’t wait to dig in to her work and ministry.
@Justin Peters 🤮🤮🤮
@A W ....looks like that person is a fan of Beth Moore. 😰 Silly emoji of someone one throwing up. Kinda childish. ☺
I have had my reservations about BM!!! When she just ever so slightly twists the scriptures to fit a popular agenda...we must be so discerning in these times.
Justin, thank you for bringing this woman to the forefront. I have never heard of her before. I have started watching her RUclips Bible studies and they are absolutely life-changing. Thank you so much for shining a light on this woman of God.
Looks like I'm taking another lunch break to watch this. Much needed, Justin, and thank you sir. Appreciate your ministry, Heck family!
Ha - thank you, Will! Blessings to you and your family :)
I'm on my lunch break listening too! Susan Heck is great as is justin peters!
Amen 🙏🏼
I agree with you Will! Watched the whole interview this morning and it was really eye-opening for me coming from a charismatic church. Heading to a church that preaches the word in detail and in great conviction. This was an excellent interview with Justin Peters and Susan Heck. I’m definitely going to share this with my wife as she believes in complementary teaching. Susan will be a great asset to her walk with Christ. God bless you and I also will seriously think about getting those two books that they promoted. I feel it is something that will help ground me better in the word and in truth.
Thank you for this helpful discussion, Susan and Justin!
Thank you for this video. You and Susan gave me what I needed to refute a friends sudden change to non-complementarianism and what that means.
Dear Justin, great to see this video. I'm reminded of your 'gator that you introduced to us on our Hit The Bar chat with you this year.
BTW - this is a wonderful discussion. And BOY what a memory.
2Timothy 4:3 "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions". Thank you both for your commitment to the truth and sharing God's word. I pray you continue to share these videos and be greatly blessed by God!
I'm SO thankful for this! Idkh I've never known about Mary Heck, or her ministries, but I'm so excited to sub to her channel that I'm having a hard time waiting til the end of this vid, but I don't want to miss out on anything here, either.
Thank you Justin for waking up people on the false preachers, I used to watch alot of these people but something was very unsettling in my spirit about alot of these preachers. Now I know why.
I’ve never watched beth moore but. No one including the speaker is saying what makes her a heretic. It’s unfair to call someone a heretic without substantiating why. To say Beth has a bad Interpretation of the scriptures tells nothing. I’m interested, “Why is Beth Moore a heretic?”
I love the gentleness and love, with which this interview was conducted. I enjoyed this immensely. God bless you both. I will be exploring all of the resources that are provided in the description box.
Thank you so much, Julia - blessings to you and your family :)
Lol.
@@atestring1379 why do you consider them heretics? Their conversation does not conform to the definition of a heretic.
@@MontanaLaura For Protestants they sound very Catholic???
Justin, thank you for introducing us to Susan Heck. I have bought some of her books and am watching her videos.
I did the same and it has been so helpful to me!
I am a lady from Aus and only know a bit about Beth and nothing of you.
So when I saw your 'memorising scripture' ministry, I was excited to watch, however, I felt sick to my stomach after this clip.
You state often.. "I am not gossiping but...."
Whoa, I am more concerned how you two have spent this entire video trashing Beth with!?
I am going to look at your RUclips clips so I can hear what you profess?
You two haven't shown any written, video, social media and proof inbetween these attacks.
Maybe it's no wonder her "followers" are rude to you? Because you are doing exactly the very same thing.
I honestly don't like the way YOU are portraying the Word of God either. You are wound up so tight about her it is constricting and it's like watching your open wound oozing. I believe you need to repent. If we had to point every person's sins or corrections, we wouldn't have 1 person to listen to. You are not living your own memorised scripture.
Justin I am so surprised at some of the “mean girls” commenting on this interview. Hostility usually covers ignorance. You’re a brave man
There is nothing hostile to what I said.. just warning you not to touch God‘s anointed regardless of what they’ve done and who they are David refused to touch even the clothing of King Saul what I’m bringing is not hostility just correction my brother and that’s called love.
He is not brave. Just as wrong to not go to Beth Moore as scopture says to talk to her face to face.
@@brendaburton392 Moore has been approached privately yet continues her false teaching, and since her teaching is public then it is entirely appropriate to address the issue publicly. Indeed, God commands His people to address false teachers publicly so that other people will not be led astray.
Interesting that you use David's private attitude toward Saul to prove this interview is in error. Privately, David would not kill Saul because he knew life and death was in God's hand. Publicly, however, David loudly opposed Saul in the hearing of all of Saul's army, and it momentarily caused Saul to repent. That whole "not touch the Lord's 'anointed'" argument is taking 1 Samuel 24 way out of context.
Note of appreciation to Susan Heck. She has been a blessing and inspiration to me to memorize scripture. It's difficult yes but it's a wonderful struggle (if that makes sense). I listen to her often and hope that I could attend one of her seminars in person!
I squealed when I saw this video on my feed 😆. Two of my favourites! I’ve learned so much from both of your ministries ❤️
Haha I did too! Especially since I JUST shared her ministry a few dayz ago on instagram encouraging ladies to learn the truth of the Word from her.
Lol me too!!
Thank you both so much! God bless you for standing up for truth.
I've been very blessed by Susan's studies. I just recently went to where she did a woman's study in West Covina. It's was regarding our speech. It was very convicting. I'm currently doing her study on the sermon on the mount. I believe every Christian needs to do this study. Studies are very biblical. God bless.
Great interview!!! Thank you for the book recommendation on The Excellent Wife...
My husband is not a believer so this will help. Please pray for my husband, Nick and also pray for an older woman to lead me. I have gleaned much from your ministry and look forward to checking out Susan’s ministry. May the Lord bless you and yours and continue to sustain you by His grace 🙏🏼
Funny how Beth Moore always brings herself to the forefront at the beginning of every...whatever she does. She began to drive me crazy with her hair stories being the prelude for so many of her lessons. She was just too much of a glory hound. I’m so glad I quit her years ago and threw away all of the study workbooks.
Yes, and she is so amped up and over the top behaviorally as if she's on some drug.
@Justin Peters Oh,go away, imposter.
Good for you. You did the right thing.
Me too.
So did this woman in this video. And the host. They went on about what a "great Christian" Susan Heck is, why she even has the NT memorized. She has a lot of credential I certainly don't have. All I have is the blood of Jesus shed for me.
I would not want to get counseling from Susan after hearing how she sees the women she's counseled and talks about them. Very harsh in my opinion. People are not perfect and if they are getting counseling they are obviously interested in learning and growing.
And wow, talking about women having problems because they don't have a husband?
She is honest and factual. She isn't wrong.
I pray Justin that your walk with God deepens and you seek Him with all of your heart.
I think it greaves the Holy Spirit when you get on a public forum and bash other Christians for what they believe! You must have missed the scripture that says, "judge not lest you be judged in the same manner." What you should be doing is praying for Beth Moore and anyone else you feel is wrong.
One minute you brag about how much better you are than she is, much like the Pharisee praying in the temple.
I wouldn't listen to I seen either one of you said after watching this. God help you! I pray God changes your heart!
Judge not lest you be judged is so often taken out of context that it has lost most of its meaning. As the church, we are called to discern truth and that does mean making judgments and protecting the sheep. If you go back and read that verse in context Jesus is saying don't judge if you are committing the same sin. First take the log out of your own eye before removing a speck out of your brother's eye.
Sadly, most Christian husband's don't read Scripture and pray with their wives.If your husband does be grateful.
This amazes me. How in the world can you two believe that you have such a handle on truth that you stand and vocally yes condemn a sister in Christ. You may not agree but this kind of verbiage is extremely judge mental. Do you really believe that your theology is so flawless that you can point out problems with other faith. Amazing day yes thank you Beth for standing against the hypocrisy of the church and it’s relationship with Donald Trump as well as racism in the church.
May God bless you Susan and Justin in your ministries. Enjoyed the video greatly.
I stopped studying Beth Moore when I left the SBC. Women were taking her teaching as the Word! May the true Holy Spirit of God Almighty open her eyes to His truth and how women are to be under the umbrella of godly men.
Good for you sister! I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about the SBC. I had been under the impression that they fully agreed with beth moore, but as she has decided to leave it seems I was wrong. What is their position theologically if I may ask?
@@mercyp7151 I would recommend to you the UTube channel Founders Ministries. It is lead by Pastor Tom Ascol and Jared Longshore. They are both outstanding godly pastors in the SBC and have been warning their baptist denominations about not only Beth Moore but Critical Race Theory as well for several years. You will find lots of videos that are helpful. God bless you.
I have a couple friends that grew up Southern Baptist and they refuse to believe that BM is a bad teacher, they point to how she was a role model to them when they were growing up...I was raised catholic(evangelical now) so had no idea who she was when I was growing up. A small group in my church is reading one of her books now which is very concerning
Where in Scripture does it say a woman must be under the “umbrella of godly men?”
@@patsyadams734 only one man, your husband, not godly men. Or if you’re a child, your father. That’s my opinion from the scriptures
Watching this at 7am in China ☺️Two of my favorite people! ❤️✝️ This was very helpful wow! God bless you! And I'm very impressed by Susan's commitment to memorize the bible, so encouraging! I tried her method and it didn't work very well 😆 maybe I'm not as diligent as I need to be (my brain probably works differently and I need songs to help me memorize). Lord help me 😭
I can recommend Jason Silver, The Bible Song Word for word ministry and Esther Mui (channel is called- Christian Worahip & Scripture Song) on RUclips. They've helped me to nail down Scripture memory by putting the Scriptures to music. I need a mix of song, reading and loudly reciting from the Word and writing it down, over and over, to commit anything to memory. I think you should find a method that works for you and stick with it 💪👍 you can do it by the power and help of the Holy Spirit! 😁💪
Can't watch the whole thing.
But two questions:
Have either of you (in the video) ever spoken to Beth about any of this? I THINK the Bible tells us to go to her FIRST.
I'm looking for where it says to publicly criticize her in front of the whole world, without speaking with her personally, first.
To the man hosting this video, so you EVER speak to the person personally first, that you're complaining about?
I don't know much about Beth Moore at all.
But the tone of this interview is hateful towards a sister in Christ, whether you agree with her theology or not.
Matthew 12:25 says any kingdom divided against itself will fall.
We want to build God's kingdom, don't we?
Correct? Yes. Humiliate and condemn? No.
There's scripture that tells us to touch not God's anointed.
Ephesians 6:12 tells us that we don't wrestle against flesh and blood, yet it sounds like you're choosing to wage war against a woman who is flesh and blood.
War in the heavenlies, not on the airwaves.
The body of Christ needs to unite, not condemn each other.
I just listened to her on BTWN. And while I believe Beth Moore may be changing her doctrine outside of what SBC believes. I have yet to see anyone Prove she is teaching ‘another’ Jesus. Plus who amongst you is her eternal judge? She is a believer and yes we should pray for her but, damning her to hell??? You are not the eternal judges.
Thank you Justin and Susan, this was really inspiring for me.
I left Beth Moore when she hooked up with false teacher Rick Warren. Years ago.
What’s wrong with Rick Warren? Clarify specifically what false teachings he has done.
I don’t hear any specifics here about Beth - I know she can be a little wacky but I need more specifics.
@Justin Peters not working! Everyone knows you are not the real one..🤣
@Emily Wheeler provide more specifics. What is so wrong with self reflecting & correcting what you see wrong about yourself (repenting of sin) ? That is the purpose driven life, which is to become more Christ-like through Christ who strengthens me.
@@jsf8145
Re: Rick Warren.
Justin made a video "False Teachers Exposed" and in a clip Rick said in an interview " it is almost impossible to go to hell".
I admire your ministry Susan, along with your knowledge and memorization of scripture.
I just finished Susan Heck’s talk about the book of John 1. She explains everything about the scripture, in a wonderful way that I can understand. Speaks only the truth of The Holy Bible . Thank you so much , Mrs. Heck .
Beth Moore has been priming her follows to defend her against her enemies for a couple of years now. She loves painting herself as a victim and calling out “scoffers” (her term). They feel they are defending the honor of their idol.
My cousin listens to her 😢
@Justin Peters Scam artist!!!
Liar!
The 2nd comment here is from a scam artist who poses all the time on comment sections under the name of whoever is the person in the video.
Anyone who has listened much to Justin Peters knows that he is totally unlikely to claim having a "word or vision from God." Lol 😆😆
This scammer has posted other comments on this section under other names as well.
Yes. False teachers going on deceiving and being deceived they are
Just have An Optomotrist/Opthamologist Test her Pupils Next Time She gets on A Platform...They Will tell ya whats Up.. With those Eyes
This is excellent - what a godly woman. Very encouraging.
I love Mrs. Heck and highly recommend her teaching videos! She is rock solid and not afraid to call out heresy.
I recognized some of this about Beth Moore many years ago and refused to continue in a Ladie’s Bible study that was using her material.
Why?
@@tishleigh7026 discernment.
lol. you showed her.
A couple of years ago my church's women's bible study used a book/series that taught by Jennifer Rothschild called Me Myself and Lies. As we watched this study on video, i noticed that she refrenced beth moore. I immediately became upset, because i already knew moore as a rebel and heretic. Then i looked into Rothschild, and found out she's part of the charismatic movement. I didnt go back, but i didn't say anything. No I'm upset at myself, because i see and here that some of the women at my church listen to moore and joyce Meyer.
I honestly feel that the lady, nice as she is, has no discernment when she chooses these bible studies. She just doesn't do her due diligence in examining these books and authors. Im afraid that this pseudo christian feminism is going to invade our church and destroy it from within.
Id like to tell my pastor, but im afraid he'll think im some kind of rabble rouser complainer. He teaches sound doctrine, but i dont think he checks what this woman is bringing into the womens study. I will continue to pray about it, but id really like a suggestion of whether i should confront the pastor and bring this to his attention.?
Same here.
I’m SO thankful for people like you all that point people to the Word! Studying Scripture has been so life-changing for me that I now truly hate shallow, emotionally-manipulative false teachings that lead people away from the Truth. “Through your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.” Ps 119:104
Amen!
@Justin Peters 🤮🤮🤮
Years ago I went to a Beth Moore study at my friends ladies group. It was about David. I bought a couple of her books but never read them and I loved to read. I never understood why except for some reason I just didn't want too. I never watched another study. My friend was enthralled with her ( she also liked Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer). I now know why I did not read her books. For a long time I felt like something was wrong with me but I know now there was not. Thank you for this. I really appreciate it.
I felt that way on a lot of books and Bible groups I was in. Even women conferences and event Im invited to, I love to read, and purchased books recommended to me, but for some reason couldn’t come around to studying books by these women Joyce M, Beth Moore books Christina Cain, Pricilla Shriner and list goes on...Something did not seem right. I really believe it’s God protection his children.
I got her audacious book from my pastor and his wife never could read it so I gave it to the Salvation Army; I wish I threw it away!!!!
I just love Susan Heck. I totally agree with her and her position on women in the church. thank you for your strong position.
"In the essentials, unity; in the non-essentials, liberty; in all things charity." Augustine of Hippo
Judge not that you be not judged!!!
@@shawnkadar4878 read the rest of the chapter. Stop using judging out of context lest you be like Satan
This woman is spot on. Beth Moore is nothing more than an emotional out of context heretic women need to STAY AWAY from. I got sober at one of her conventions , and I held tight to her for years. UNTIL the Lord showed me it was his divine Providence , in his sovereignty that I be saved and cleaned, nothing to do with her heresy.
@@shawnkadar4878 dont be a cartoon
@@TheSacredlizzy , I know little about Beth Moore's teaching. Does the heresy lie in egalitarianism or something else? Is anything she teaching contradict the Christ's atonement or divinity? I am reluctant to label a person a heretic unless they are teaching something contrary to fundamental doctrine, e.g. Christ's divinity, blood atonement, death, burial and bodily resurrection,
Isn't it quite stupid to have a discussion about someone who is not in person with you? That would be gossip! A disgrace to your organization, at first glance is a weak church of the state and the words spoke hold no authority.
@@redefinedtv9512 Your actions are not that of a Christian. Don't lie to yourself just to butter your own cup.
Praise God! Thank God for his word! It is sad, that Repentance is being totally ignored.God forgive us!❤️
“It might give a warm fuzzy up your spine, but it doesn’t last”. That wraps the whole Beth Moore thing up right there.
Speak against a teaching but not a teacher.
@@johnnyharry467 she’s a false teacher.
@@sdh4557 Could you tell me why you think that.
@@johnnyharry467 not what the Bible says.
I have just run into this today. I have been in women’s ministry for 23 years and a teacher for close to 40 years. I agree with Susan Heck wholeheartedly. It’s very sad how many don’t know scripture and are led by what they are hearing. From the first time, I ever listen to Beth my spirit was quicken when that happens we are to heed. My heart grieves as well on how many ladies are misled and what to make the scripture say what they want it to say. May we be fervent in prayer and faithful to His word. Thank you for this pod cast. May you be blessed and may His face shine upon you.
Beth Moore recounts really fantastical stories of how God tells her to do certain things. Big red flag .
Straight up I’m not in disagreement with the Beth Moore is but your RED FLAG COMMENT has stirred me
I guess if God told you
“Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof. And thy meat which thou shalt eat shall be by weight, twenty shekels a day: from time to time shalt thou eat it. Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink.
Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith.”
Ezekiel 4:9-11, 15
You’d fly a red flag
@@beppiek There is NO comparison. You are taking God's OWN words out of Scripture and comparing them to Beth Moore's. There are two words for that - comparing the two is called blasphemy. God DID give those words to someone HIMSELF, as clearly, it is IN the Scriptures. The other word is idolatry - Your lack of discernment is causing you to fall into idolizing Beth Moore, and so much WORSE when you even THINK of comparing anything she says (OR how she says it) to God's own Holy word. The Scriptures are CLEAR about how God speaks today and about what He speaks today. Rather than take God's own word, you take Beth Moore's? I MUST ask: ARE you serious? Talk about a *RED FLAG!* It is commanded more than once in Scripture that a woman is NOT to be behind a Pulpit. What is there to NOT understand? Beth believes she *belongs* there. That ALONE should send you running, but again, discernment is required. Not to mention the MANY bizarre and the "woke" things she has come out with lately. A question - DO you read your Bible? As that does grow discernment, but sorry, I see none in you. I saw Moore was trouble when she changed a 10 year old book saying that she was out of line (for telling the truth in Scripture) concerning God's own words on Homosexuality. You REALLY need to work on your discernment, and get into God's word for HIS truth. Compare what Beth is saying and doing *against* God's own Holy word. Idolatry is sin, and sorry, but your comment has Idolatry *SCREAMING* all through it. You really need to choose: God's word or Beth Moore's word - and all this is as lovingly as I can say it considering the utter shock I am in that you even dared compare God's word to whatever Moore says. Stunned. I pray that you wake up and you repent. This is so totally a VERY serious matter. EVERY book of the New Testament Epistle and Book but Philemon mentions false teachers - and against them. IF you read your Bible, you could never miss just how much God is against them in every way in His very Own Holy word. (Sorry for length, this is SERIOUS, concerning your very soul.)
You’re punking me right
Chill out
God speaks to His own whether you like it or not ... I know zero about Beth Moore outside of she shouldn’t be a pastor but I guess she’s just following Joyce and the rest of them
My point is GOD SPOKE AND STILL SPEAKS ...
Blasphemy your over reacting if you didn’t get the comment
I’m NEVER GOING TO SAY WHAT GOD CAN SAY OR NOT AN TO WHOM
so thank you for your lengthy concern 😳
@@beppiek God does not audibly speak to people now. He speaks through his word .
@@TheMistysFavs God speaks first and foremost in and thru his word! That's why he says know me in and thru my word because my word is a sure thing. What ever the situation the answer, the truth can be found in the word of God. Whether people want to accept it or not that is a different thing altogether but it's still the truth. God does not change nor does his word. People change the word of God to support their interpretation of the word of God and their false teaching. They really can't change it, they just pervert it! People fall into error simply because they have little or next to no discernment in the Spirit and are not grounded in the word.
Thank you so much for introducing me to this treasure, Susan Heck!!!
Not sure i would judge her because her husband isn't saved...didn’t really hear from you that one thing that said she's gone off the rails.
Matthew 18:15-16 If someone sins against you go to him privately and if he will not listen take two witnesses. Confronting someone’s sin is not judging them it’s biblically correcting them. And what does her husband have to do with her accountability.
All you have to do is read her Twitter. That gives you all the info you need.
Doesn't Beth Moore now favor abortions?
My wife and I are enjoying this interview. We appreciate the constant reference to the inerrancy of Scripture and the proper roles of men and women the church. With that said, my Yorkie will not stop barking at the screen during this interview, a phenomenon that we have never observed in our five pound beast. 🙂
Thank you for staying faithful to God and His Word. Many women have made Beth into their idol. I do encourage you and Susan to spend more time teaching through your social media venues. While I appreciate being warned about false teachers, I would love to hear God’s Word taught more. Something to pray about...
I wish I could share the whole interview on social media. People need to know about Beth Moore. I am still learning how and why she is so dangerous myself. Thank you brother Justin and sister Susan!!!!
@Justin Peters please stop using people's names and photos to create fake accounts.
@Justin Peters 🤮🤮🤮
Thank y'all for this!! Just subscribed looking forward to learning more truths from God's precious word🙏🏽💜🕊
I very much enjoy listening to Susan Heck and really pray for a woman like her to disciple me. I’m a single women (single mother) desiring to grow deeper in my walk with the Lord and knowledge of the word of God. Thanks for this interview.
Thank you so much for your kind words, Nat. Susan may be reached through her website linked in the description. Blessings to you! :)
Read and study Scripture. Pray.
Memorizing scripture. Key
I’m sincerely asking...but is not Mrs Heck teaching Justin and a huge audience, men included, by conducting this video? He is actually asking her questions. The idea of just because she is not behind a pulpit on a Sunday does not hold hold up in scripture. This would invalidate Jesus’ “sermon” on the mount...outdoors....not in a synagogue. She can not have it both ways. It seems she can not acknowledge that some serious preaching has taken place in prisons, concentration camps, classrooms, impromptu moves of the Holy Spirit....by female followers of Christ. Maybe her argument holds up when speaking of close discipleship/authority but not teaching. And Neither should a man who is not related to a woman closely disciple her in most situations. Peter said “he” did not permit teaching. Peter also had to be corrected about circumcising of converts. We are losing our minds here. We allow women to teach impressionable youth but not grown men with way more discernment than children. I’m genuinely torn about this and saddened. I’m reading the same Bible as her but I see women quoted in lengthy passages, a queen mother giving instructions. I maybe get her point about not being in authority over a man but not the teaching. There is some major cognitive dissonance going on in this interview because TEACHING is what she is engaging in. She is teaching that women can’t teach 🤣
Let us pray for your Cognitive Dissonance
@@claytonjennings3038 clever 😊 made me smile Clayton
I live in Oklahoma city and I'm from Arkansas and I think it's awesome we come from the same places I just want to thank you so much for the truth you say and do sending you and your family much love and respect in Yeshua Christ
Kay Arthur. Precepts Ministries. Excellent to get grounded in The Word. Line upon line. Holy Spirit.
I have been studying inductively since 2005. I love being a Precept Discussion Leader and teaching women how to study the Word for themselves!
I love Kay Arthur! Learned a great deal from her.
Precepts ministry. My local class is using Beth Moore. What happened? Wondering if its because its being held in a "woke," Methodist Church.
Thank you, Susan. Beth Moore has given me the creeps for decades but I didn't understand why. I just knew I couldn't do any of her studies even tho various churches I've attended use them for their women's ministries. I feel the same way with Rick Warren. Another one that gives me the creeps.
So much important information here. Thank you for this video. Another person that concerns me is Sarah Young, author of Jesus Calling devotionals. Even before knowing The Bible (which I am still reading through for the first time), I was feeling something “off” about her devotional as I began reading it. I was wondering who or WHAT was really speaking to her?? So concerning for all who follow her.
Longfortruth RUclips channel did an extensive video on Sarah Young’s Jesus calling books. You are right her devotional is not biblical, more so new-age wrapped in false Christianity.
Deborah rebuked Barak, saying that military leadership was his job, not a woman’s. Judges 4:8-9.
I never understood why this swept thru because I never had an appetitie for her. She always seemed frenetic.
Thank you so much! This was awesome information. I have found you lately here on RUclips and will be following you going forward.
So many ministries seem to be hyper-focused on correcting people like Beth Moore in every way except speaking directly with Beth Moore. We bring in third parties to provide weight to one side of an argument rather than working directly with a person to restore that person. This route seems to bring further division in an already divided church and distracts people from sharing the gospel.
Beth Moore has preempted any discussion by calling people who don’t agree with her as “scoffers.”
@@Annie261. Regardless of how she responds, scripture is fairly clear on the issues of church discipline. Titus 3 comes to mind although, in this situation, I'm not sure which side is more guilty of stirring up controversy.
Exactly. I thought true Christ-followers are not only supposed to correct and teach, but also to love and share the Good News. The massive attention directed at other’s flaws doesn’t seem godly to me....
@@krhoden82 I think you are ignoring that God Hi myself divides the wheat from the tares.
All believers should only desire and seek pure Truth.
This is not an attack on people it is shedding light on darkness.
@Sugar Jones exactly my point sugar boo. These people are not Jesus.
Much respect to Susan Heck. I have attended a couple of her classes, she's really a wonderful teacher.
I agree with the lady that said we should not rip Christian’s apart but rather do as the Bible says and go to them personally and then take fellow Christians with you to confront their error. etc. This lady needs to put to use her memorized scriptures and follow what God tells us to do in this situation.
Yes. When she said that she does not even know her but is using this platform to incriminate her, I believe this makes us no different from the unbelievers who have no map to live. Matthew 18
If Beth Moore's errors were made in private, then a private conversation would be in order. She has made herself a public figure, however, and her false teaching is made in public therefore to address the issue in public is not only appropriate it is mandatory according to a variety of Scriptures commanding God's followers to warn people about false teachers. It is not loving to see someone blindly walking to the edge of a cliff and refuse to warn them of the dangers ahead.
Great interview w Susan Heck. I’ve listened and watched lots of Susan’s series teachings on RUclips… she’s an excellent Bible teacher. Great expository of the word…Thank you for featuring her on your channel.
I have done so many of her Bible Studies unfortunately. Gladly our ladies ministry is moving away from all Bible Studies like hers. I praise God for women like Mrs. Heck. We just went verse by verse through Jude! It was awesome!!
@Justin Peters stop, imposter. 🙄. This is NOT the channel for you to try this. Trust me
I’m so glad this was recommended to me. I haven’t heard of Susan Heck. It’s refreshing to hear her speak the truth about Beth Moore! Thank you!!
@Justin Peters Again!!? 🤮
@Justin Peters SPAM ALERT!!
I caught Beth on TV a month or so ago.I am 70 and was shocked at her dress, her acting and did not understand a word of what she was pushing..It was like watching a bad actor..That did not settle well with my spirit..You are the first to confirm my feelings..Thank you..
Speak against a teaching but not a teacher.
@@johnnyharry467 Your seeming command at an older woman comes across as disresptful. Would you be willing to present Scripture, which supports your comment? And consider taking the time to explain yourself humbly? May Christ be honored.
I’ve seen a lot of people speak against Beth Moore but it’s not my place to judge her but I’m not watching her or going to her meetings and churches using her books for Bible study is not right to me.
Yes I listened and could not make head or tail
what the teaching was about. It was confusing and Beth seemed confused and not at ease.
What denomination are you all? Please answer. I'm so confused!
I have done many Beth Moore studies. I learned so much. As I got older she didn’t appeal to me as much because of her animated style. I totally believe that Beth is a believer and that she was treated badly by male Christian leaders. SHE DID NOT LEAD ME ASTRAY. I may not like her style but I feel like John MacArthur was rude rude rude to her. This You Tube video made me not respect Susan Heck. I cannot believe you guys.
Amen. Anyone whose a True Bible believing READING Christian would be able to discern the Truth and to know she is a wolf. Thank u for this Justin Peters 🙏🏼✝️
True but new believers don’t often see it right away. I used to do her studies at church many years ago but as I grew in His Word and got to know Him then He led me away from her.
God bless you
@@OfTheRoyalPriesthood Well I used to listen to Joyce Meyers lol but I was told to listen to her from someone who was “born again” for 20 years and also I wasn’t reading my Bible. But I knew something was off because everything she preached was peaches and cream lol and I knew that was wrong, I always heard when u fully submit and give her life to Christ was when life gets harder , the attacks start and persecution ETC, so I started praying on it and God showed me that she was a false teacher and I started finally reading my Bible that was collecting dust for 6 months when I thought I gave my life to Christ but apparently I didn’t fully, but after that I can finally say I am saved 6 1/2 years now and wouldn’t go back for anything nor anyone and can’t get enough of my Bible lol. Have a blessed night
@@jennamarielovesjesus12 This ~> "I started finally reading my Bible that was collecting dust for 6 months" is absolutely the problem, as you learned, praise God!! Too many women (AND men) depend on others far too much for information about preachers or on pre-made Bible Study books and depend less on the reading of the truth of God's own word with the leading of the Holy Ghost too little. We have all been there at one point, I know! Stay in His word, and love and discernment will certainly keep growing! God bless you, sister!
@@TheMistysFavs Amen. Yessss the Holy Spirit leads and guide us into all truth, we can learn from others obviously like Justin Peters and Susan but our main teacher is God and His Word. If we search for Truth, He will Never withhold it from us. Blessings lovely
@@OfTheRoyalPriesthood I was a brand new Believer and the church where I attended had a women's ministry that constantly held Beth Moore Bible studies. It took years for me to fully recognize that Beth Moore was not a sound teacher, and only after I attended many of her studies and conferences. I can't say my spirit wasn't troubled at some of the things she said and did after a few of her studies, but many women I considered more mature in the Lord trusted her and she was approved by the Pastor.
I am so glad to see this. I actually lived in a small town in Utah where there was only one Christian church and their “ladies Bible Study “ was nothing but Beth Moore DVD’s and books. I had to quit going and I told them if they ever wanted to do a study where we open our Bible’s and study Gods Word, to please let me know. I had a friend in Salt Lake City and the same thing was happening in her church! So I started the “Beth Moore , no more!” Movement. We even had our own small retreat when a Beth More event came to Salt Lake City.
“Beth Moore, no more” that’s good. Luckily I don’t know many women who want to watch Beth.
I attend a church in Australia, and Beth Moore was very popular. I did a few of her studies years ago, and felt in my spirit she wasn't on the right path. She became more manic and things she said weren't biblical. She is very self serving and vain. I started to say I needed "less of Moore" .. the Bible study leaders weren't interested as they had her up on a pedestal. Thankfully these leaders have left the church and no more of Moore!!!
@@margaretboehm4485 🙌🙌🙌
Thank you for following Holy Spirit, Yeshua is building His church and no witchcraft is allowed in His redeemed,
When I first heard her open her mouth the Holy Spirit told me immediately she didn’t have a true heart for Christ
Thanks for your resource page. I linked up with Susan and Doug recently to join their fantastic Church after I found them on your site.