Talking False Teaching with Susan Heck
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2021
- In this episode, we are honored to have special guest, Susan Heck, with us! Susan has been in women’s ministry for over 30 years. She’s an amazing Bible study teacher and author, and has written several books for her Bible Study series, “With the Master.” Susan is also a very gifted speaker for women’s conferences and retreats. On top of all that, she has memorized all or at least most of the Bible!
Join us as we pick her brain on the epidemic of false teaching in women's ministry!
You can check out Susan's ministry at:
www.withthemaster.org/ 
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Thank you so much I am at 84 years old and been waiting forever to find a woman teaching the Bible you have really blessed me I have macular did generation so my vision is bad but I still tried desperately to read the word and I listen to the word daily thank you ladies and God bless you
Thank you for the kind comment, Patty! We’ve watched loved ones struggle with macular, and it’s not easy. We’re praying for you, and hope you continue to be edified by the teaching. Thanks again for commenting! Chris and Rose
'Faith VS Feelings". Everytime I hear something like that, I'm reminded of these 2mormon boys who approached me outside. They tried to hand me their bible, pleading with me: "Just read it. And after you read it, just notice how you feel. Everyone who gives it a chance & just reads it feels a warm sense of peace afterward, and that's how you'll know it's real". I'm so grateful to Jesus that I knew better, but I immediately thought about how many ppl DON'T know what a trick of the devil that is. Manoman, my heart was GRIEVED! And of course I prayed. More that day than I ever had/have most days. Mostly for those *babies who probably have never known any other doctrine. (*I have 2boys, & these two were my boys age). I don't know why I'm sharing this, it was just a moment I'll never forget.
That’s a great example! Thanks for sharing it!
Susan and her husband are incredible servants of the Lord. Great job, P910! Love y'all.
They certainly are! Thanks for the comment and encouragement, Will! We love you, too!
Truth doesn’t care about your feelings.
Such a great interview! Thank you ❤️
Enjoyed this so much! Bless all of you ladies for your service in the Kingdom. ❤️
Thank you!!
I respectfully disagree with pre-destination. The Bible, when read in the context of the entire Scriptures reveals a God who wants all to be saved, so much so that He gave His life to save not just the elect, but the whole world. (John 1:29; 3:16; 1 Tim. 4:10; 1 John 2:2. He desires all to be saved and has no pleasure in the death of the wicked. (Ezek. 18:23, 32; 33:11; 1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9) When Christ died, he freed mankind from the power of Satan (John 12:31-32; Col. 2:14-15; Heb. 2:14-15) and now offers the hope of eternal life to all through the gospel. (See Romans 1:16; 10:14-17; 1 Cor. 15:1-2; Eph. 1:13; 2 Thess. 2:13-14) Based upon these and other Scriptures, the method God has chosen to call people to Himself is the proclamation of the gospel. All who hear the gospel have a genuine chance to believe, and their refusal to believe is not because God did not do what was in His power to bring them to Himself, but because they chose to resist Him. We have a real choice to believe or to not believe. It is not a choice programmed in us by our Maker. He is great enough to create us to be moral agents, not preprogrammed robots.
The verses that talk about the world are speaking of people from every tribe, and tongue and nation., not every single person who ever lived. He died for those who were chosen - His sheep - as He states in John 10. Jesus' death on the cross is the atonement for sin. If that was for all sin for every person, then God would be unjust to send anyone to hell, because His Son would have already paid the penalty. Jesus died "for those the Father gave Him." (John 17) You are correct that the Gospel call is how people hear so they can respond, but not everyone who hears can understand and respond. They can't unless the Holy Spirit has regenerated their dead, stoney hearts and turned them into hearts of flesh. Some people cannot. Just like Jesus explains why some cannot understand the parables. (Luke 8:10). Romans 9-11 is very clear that God chose an elect group of people. There are Scripture all throughout Old and New Testament that say so too. It may be a hard doctrine to come to grips with, but at some point it's undeniable.
@@Proverbs910Ministries no I can deny because I believe you have taken several things out of context of the entirety of the Bible.
Salvation is available to whosoever will.
I need a women like this sister I’m como out of a Pentecostal church.
Glad to hear that, Rosemary, and we’re glad you commented. If you ever have any questions about anything you hear, feel free to ask! Thanks again for commenting. Chris and Rose
Susan, thank you for your honesty regarding how you were in the first years of your marriage. I was definitely that way in my first years or many years in my marriage, but I did not realize it until God brought it to my attention and knocked me on my back.
Great interview! I had never heard all the background of Susan Heck before she became a true Christ follower. It was so interesting to hear her say she has never sought notoriety and yet many women who first meet her ask about that. Her voice and those of others like her are badly needed in the modern church.
So thankful yall called out names. ❤
This is an eye opening interview. I don't even realize I am being led astray by false teaching. I am on a new path to the truth. Thank you
That’s great news! False teaching of God’s Word is rampant. It’s no wonder the Bible warns about it over and over. Thank you for your comment. If you have any questions feel free to email us at proverbs910ministries@gmail.com. We also have some resources on our website.
First time listening because I saw the name Susan Heck. Thank you for this.. I'm working through her study on 1st John and love the depth. Especially appreciate the scripture you put in the comments on the doctrine of election.
You are very welcome, Lois! We hope you have been encouraged to listen to more episodes!
@@Proverbs910Ministries I am, I'm ashamed at the lack of discernment I had in my walk with Christ. And how important it is to biblically disciple new believers. So good has come out of Covid! My hubby and I are deeper into God's Word. So again thank you.
@@loiscarteaux9389 Praise God for that!! I am always amazed at the good God brings out of what seems like a disaster! I will be praying for you and your husband’s walk! One thing I can tell you from experience is that the more you study God’s Word, the hungrier you become to study more! Awesome how that works!
So good! Thank you, ladies!
Thank you, Tanya!
You ladies are a real blessing. So very encouraged.😊
Thank you for your kind comment and for tuning in!! We are so thrilled you have been blessed! ❤️
Amen and Amen
Love Real True Bible Believing Woman of GOD , so happy the Lord led me to Susan Heck, Praise GOD 🙏🏼🙌🏼✝️😇🔥⚔️👑💯
I love Susan Heck. Thank You for this 😀
You are very welcome, Daily!
What an awesome interview!!!!
Thank you, Carolyn!
Wonderful questions to ask when looking for a church. I had never thought about those.
Thank you.
I came across this video semi-randomly and I am glad I did. I remember the first time that the gospel of election became real to me. It happened when I started studying the word for myself and I got to Romans 9. Just like you guys said, I couldn't unread it or un-understand it, but my Arminian upbringing, and no doubt pride, contributed to a dark time of depression and questioning, it's a 5-year story, but God held me through it all and I know that he truly chose me and saved me because if it was up to me I would have surely fallen away with all that I went through in my mind.
Thank you for your comment! When the truth of that doctrine hits you, it is something most of us have to grapple with. That's partly because at first it seems unfair to others, but there's also a part of it that some of us (speaking only for ourselves) fight against because it means you really aren't your own boss and you have to finally humble yourself and realize you really are a totally empty-handed beggar before God! That was an eye opening moment, but it definitely is something that once you see it in Scripture, you see it all the way through. Thanks again for sharing with us!
I struggled for a few years with this obvious doctrine also. God was bringing it all around me between my kids school curriculum and preaching at my church I couldn't escape it along with the thoughts that came with it. God was patient and gracious with me.
Understand each word ... each sentance.. each paragraph...each story...do it wit the Holy Spirit who is our teacher. Pray before bible study and after study..this helped me yo grow spiritually.
We couldn't agree more, Connie! And seek out grounded Biblical theologians and teachers to help with understanding some of the more difficult passages. Thanks for the comment!
Doreen virtue is a blessing! So thankful God has grown Susans platform to reach to more women. There is such a lack of discernment in the church. I see it all the time. God has given me a passion for discernment ministry, which isnt always easy. I know who I will give account to and I want to please him and warn women when given opportunities! He gives them everyday! Just today I warned someone of letting her daughter read Harry Potter.
Doreen and Susan are certainly both blessings!
I feel so blessed to come across the name Susan Heck. I am a keen learner of God's truth. Listen to lots of Ps John MacArthur's sermons, also Ev Justin Peters. May I ask if there is any book or sermon which explains why Susan says Church of Christ doctrine is wrong? Also what is the story behind Church of Christ & International Church of Christ? I know of a Reformed church where the pastor always speaks with an angry face & has offended many people. Among those he offended was my cousin's wife where he said to her, "Do you know who I am?" referring to himself of course. He is famous & always on national TV. Thank you Susan & these 2 wonderful ladies for your interview. I learnt a lot from this video. God bless all you. Much love from Melbourne, Australia.🥰
Hi Loulou! Thanks so much for the comment! Praise God that you are listening to and learning God's Truth! We are sorry that you had a bad experience in a Reformed church. Although Reformed theology is solidly Biblical, its churches, pastors, and followers are flawed human beings who fight the battle with sin. And, of course, the Reformed church is not immune to having wolves in sheep's clothing within them. Please do not let one bad church or pastor keep you from following the theology and doctrine that our Reformer fathers fought for! As far as the Church of Christ, GotQuestions.org had a good article on it that I think you will find helpful. Here is the link: www.gotquestions.org/Church-of-Christ.html
We hope you will continue to join us in other episodes of No Trash, Just Truth and follow our Proverbs 9:10 Ministries channel. We are always happy and open to all questions and love interacting with our listeners!
Have a blessed day!!
Yes and Amen!!! Thank you!
Please get another interview with her !! 🙏🏼
Really enjoyed the interview! can you suggest a good app for memorizing books of the Bible? I see that several are available but I always like to ask for a personal recommendation if possible.
Thanks!! I downloaded “voice recorder” on my iPhone. App looks like a cassette tape. It’s great for recording your voice as you read the books of the Bible to help you memorize it. Start with just a chunk of a book. As Susan said, if you read it really fast, it does help you retain it. Just keep replaying the recording and saying it out loud. Once you memorize the first chunk, add more while you keep practicing the parts already memorized. This is the best method I know. I’m not sure if there’s an App to help further, but I have found this method to be very effective. Let us know how it’s going!!!
Susan is awesome and you guys doing a great job, great Ministry.
Thank you, Rod! All the glory to God!
What's a great ABCB online school you would recommend?
We're not sure what an ABCB school is? Can you clarify?
I was also ran out of a church for telling the truth. 😅 I’m so glad to be free.
We hear you!! As with us, we pray that God’s truth penetrated the hearts of some for you!
Hey do you ladies know of any good churches in moore ok? My husband and I just moved here and we're hoping to find a church that teaches the Bible. One of the churches I looked into has a women's bible study by priscilla shriver. I know there's no such thing as a perfect church so I'm not trying to be overly critical of everything but it does seem alot of women's bible studies have teachings from people like beth moore etc.
Hi Mandy! There are some good resources to find a good church. Michelle Lesley has a church finder on her website, as does Founder’s Ministry. You can also Google “Reformed churches in Moore, OK.” We know what you mean about it being tough finding a solid church - it is tough, but they are out there! Don’t settle for less. And we have seen otherwise solid churches let their women’s ministry study Priscilla Shirer, Beth Moore, or some other garbage. It is very frustrating! Let us know how your search goes!
Hey Ladies, I would really like to participate in your Bible studies. I am assuming you are not in California, if that is true do you record your studies? And are they available?
No, we’re not in California. Right now the only Bible study we have online is the one that goes with our book and Study Guide, No Half-Truths Allowed- Understanding the Complete Gospel Message. We’re in the process of completing a third book and preparing for the release of our second, The Bible Blueprint: A Complete Guide to the Bible From Genesis to Revelation. Our plan is to start another online study through Zoom after that. Stay tuned to the podcast and subscribe to our website for info. Thanks for your interest!!
@@Proverbs910Ministries Thanks!
What is "reformed theology"? I never heard of it. I was saved in the charismatic church, but found a lot of false doctrine there. Now I am with a straight & narrow Bible-teaching-believing church.
Hi Rena! Thanks for the question!
Reformed theology is what the reformer fathers fought for. It is Biblical Christianity. It is comprised of the 5 solas from the reformation -
1. Sola Fide - Faith Alone -
2. Sola Christus - In Christ Alone
3. Sola Gratia - through Grace Alone
4. Sola Deo Gloria - to the Glory of God Alone
These first 4 Solas are summed up by Paul in Eph 2:8 8 - 10, “ For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, this is a gift from God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast
5. Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone - The Bible is the only authority we are to use for the things of God. Experiences, emotions, and tradition may have a place in our sanctification, but they are never to be used or viewed equal to or above Scripture. Some verses that reinforce this truth are Prov 30:5 - 6, Matthew 4:4, 2Tim 3:15-17, Mark 7:5-9, and Prov 28:26 - just to name a few
In a nutshell, Reformed theology is the theology taught in Scripture - that God is sovereign over every single thing in the entire universe. He is sovereign over every person and every action. This means He is sovereign over our salvation, our sanctification, and our ability to understand what the Bible tells us. Some of the many, many verses that back this up are Rom 9:14-26, Eph 1:4-5, Deut 7:6-8, and John 17:1-12
And while He is sovereign over sin, too, He never forces anyone to sin - He doesn’t have to! Therefore, we are responsible for our own sin. However, God does work through sin to accomplish His purposes and plan.
We hope that helps! Feel free to rely back with any other questions or things that we didn’t explain clearly enough!
Reformed theology is nothing but a doctrine of devils!! Stay away from reformed theology!! Calvinism is of the devil!
Ladies, how do you recommend talking to family entrenched in alot of false teachings such as priscilla shirer and steven furtick? Some of my family members are not open and absolutely will not be open to talking and it's sad.
2 Tim. 4:3-4 says, “For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.” It’s something we have seen played out many, many times and heard others’ stories about, such as your own! Obviously prayer is the one thing we can always do. And you can mention that you’re praying that their eyes are opened. It’s probably best to not argue or they may just dig their heels in more. If they do bring up a subject and talk about some thing in a wrong way, you can always ask them to show you where the Bible says that, snd then show them the truth. But we have to recognize that some people will just never want to see the truth, so they never will. There is the possibility that they may never have heard what true teaching and preaching is like. Sometimes when someone who is entrenched in listening to the people you mentioned and others like them, they have no idea what actually learning the Bible is like because they know no different! Maybe pick out a few sermons from really solid teachers and ask them if they would please just listen and tell you what they thought?
First time watching! Just a little intrigued! But I can't believe Paula White wasn't at the top of the list for false women teachers!
Well, some days it’s hard to say which false teacher should be at the top of that list!! She definitely ranks up there! Thanks for your comment.
What about expository teaching Pastor's that allows false woman teachers to come into their church through their books and teach their women ❣❣
We couldn’t agree more!! It is a huge problem!!
I want to study apologetics and theology. Where do I go?
There are many solid Biblical podcasts and sermons available that emphasize theology and apologetics. BiblicalTraining.org also has free online classes. There are classes on many theological subjects, apologetics, the NT, OT, systematic theology, and lots of others! If you check out our podcast, we have exposited a few books and several passages of Scripture. Let us know how your journeying is going!
I was a Christian for 20 years before becoming reformed. I believe God has to open your eyes before you will accept reformed theology.
I think the 3 things most people can't get past is God's soverignty, and that God owes us nothing. And that unless we are born again first, we will not and cannot believe and repent in the first place.
We agree with you, Mario! Those are definitely 3 tenets of Reformed theology that people push back against. Almost everyone wrestles some Reformed theology, more specifically, the doctrine of election, when they are first presented with it. However it is one of those things that once you see it in Scripture, you can’t unsee it. It’s everywhere from Genesis to Revelation! And you are right on that the Holy Spirit has to open our eyes to it. Thanks for the comment!
I’m not sure you were aware but Calvary Chapel ministers preach through the Bible verse by verse, and they are not reformed.
Thanks for commenting Loretta! We're curious about how they exposit Romans 9-11 and Ephesians 1-3.
Question? What is reformed theology?
Hi Cheryl! Thanks for the question!
Reformed theology is what the reformer fathers fought for. It is Biblical Christianity. It is comprised of the 5 solas from the reformation -
1. Sola Fide - Faith Alone -
2. Sola Christus - In Christ Alone
3. Sola Gratia - through Grace Alone
4. Sola Deo Gloria - to the Glory of God Alone
These first 4 Solas are summed up by Paul in Eph 2:8 8 - 10, “ For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, this is a gift from God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast
5. Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone - The Bible is the only authority we are to use for the things of God. Experiences, emotions, and tradition may have a place in our sanctification, but they are never to be used or viewed equal to or above Scripture. Some verses that reinforce this truth are Prov 30:5 - 6, Matthew 4:4, 2Tim 3:15-17, Mark 7:5-9, and Prov 28:26 - just to name a few
In a nutshell, Reformed theology is the theology taught in Scripture - that God is sovereign over every single thing in the entire universe. He is sovereign over every person and every action. This means He is sovereign over our salvation, our sanctification, and our ability to understand what the Bible tells us. Some of the many, many verses that back this up are Rom 9:14-26, Eph 1:4-5, Deut 7:6-8, and John 17:1-12
And while He is sovereign over sin, too, He never forces anyone to sin - He doesn’t have to! Therefore, we are responsible for our own sin. However, God does work through sin to accomplish His purposes and plan.
I hope that helps! Feel free to rely back with any other questions or things that I didn’t explain clearly enough!
Ladies I’m keen to hear more about you being kicked out of a church for being reformed do you have a separate testimony video on that? I’d love to know your story
Thanks! We will probably go into it in detail in a future episode. Long story short, we were in a church that wasn't Reformed but the Pastor said it was very accepting of Reformed Theology. Only took a few women making a stink about it for him and the church leadership to change their mind.
I believe in Scripture, and have seen the error in judging others. I know that a teaching from the mid 1800's about praying Jesus into your heart for salvation is in direct opposition to the Scriptures, which teaches repentance and immersion for forgiveness of sin and receipt of the Holy Spirit -- the key to the Kingdom of Heaven first preached by Peter in Acts 2. When i hear preachers preach the salvation fallacy, i throw out that part, and keep the part of their message that parallels Scripture. Dismissing them altogether would be catastrophic to the unification of the church body, to their own salvation amd to the salvation of those led astray by false doctrine.. Our Abba has placed it heavy on my heart to gather local preachers who have the passion and zeal to serve Him, and pair them with those who have been given the key to the Kingdom through His Revelation and correct discernment of His Word. The knowledge and understanding He opened your eyes to needs to be coupled with grace and mercy, and less judgment. Speak so they will listen, as Paul directed Timothy. In that way, the gift given you of knowing His truth can be made plain and palatable to those who will cry, "Lord, Lord...' and not be turned away by Him on the day of judgment, but welcomed in. We merely plant and water seeds, He makes it grow according to His mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment, and wisdom is freely given to all who ask.
Im so glad to be listening to Susan. I recently discovered her through Justin Peters and I am inspired already
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She is teaching Satanic heresy!! Calvinism is a satanic doctrine!! Please do not listen to her! I am warning you in Christ's love.
@@tinalawson1382 dear woman Im afraid you are inaccurate in your understanding of Gods word. Susan is spot on in her teaching...
@@sunnywayPS34 you obviously don't know anything about Calvinism. Calvinism twists the whole scriptures. You're being very blinded by Satan.
@@tinalawson1382I know enough and I feel real sorry for you. Your dead wrong, but then again your eyes are closed to the truth, so I get why youre saying what youre saying. You just dont know any better
"God has a plan for your life " is another pick-up line. What does that have to do with the Gospel and repentance?
Exactly! Thanks for commenting!
I'm coming in a little late to this discussion, but I want to point out that Calvary Chapel pastors preach expositorily. After reading their positions on the five points of Calvinism, I do not believe that they would describe themselves as Calvinists. Stephanie Estabrooks
This was my first thought when they said only reformed people did expository preaching. Mike Winger (a Calvary Chapel preacher) here on youtube taught through every verse of Romans and is definitely not a Calvinist.
So long as these wolves keep attacking eachother, they will not be censored. It is the "TRUTH" the whole "TRUTH" and nothing but the "TRUTH" that is censored.
Please can I ask you. Is Lana Vawser a false teacher? I’m going to watch some videos from Susan Heck with the possibility of getting involved with her teaching.. Really enjoyed listening to this interview.
Hi, Julie! We had never heard of Lana, but just looking at the website and seeing right off the bat that she gives “prophetic words”’ is a “No!” That wording screams “false teacher.” Check out Susan’s website. You’ll find good, solid, Biblical teaching there. Thanks for your comment!
@@Proverbs910Ministries . Thank you for your quick reply. I thought as much. Certainly intend to check out Susan Heck’s teaching. Thank you.
I agree with what a lot of what is said in this video. I believe in the doctrine of election. The only thing I'm concerned about if maybe somebody could explain it to me, what's wrong with Joyce Meyer. I know she doesn't teach everything that I agree with, but please somebody tell me what's wrong with her. And is there something wrong with Beth Moore as well? I really wanna know, please.
I deeply apologize that we did not reply to your comment sooner. Somehow, it got lost in the mix. I am happy to point out what is wrong with Joyce Meyer, although I could not possibly fit it all into one comment. So I will try to be concise. She is part of the Word of Faith movement. A heretic, deceitful movement that takes advantage of people while teaching them lies. We did a whole podcast episode on it called "Name It and Claim It," which I invite you to listen to. Here's the RUclips link:
ruclips.net/video/u6eXNwjnPF8/видео.html
But the short answer is that she believes, and teaches, that God is a way to a means. Obey God and you will have the life you want to live. God will shower you with blessings, God wants you to be happy and healthy. This example is heretical and destructive on two counts - first, we are to obey God because we love Him not to try and get things from Him. He is not our sugar daddy! Second, Jesus clearly tells us that in this world we will have trouble. And the purpose of our suffering and trials is to sanctify us, and grow us closer to Him. We are to rely on God because He always works everything for our spiritual good - not necessarily our earthly good. Wish I had more space to continue! My best advice, put what she says up against Scripture, stretch out what she teaches to its logical conclusion; you, too, will see the lies and heresy in it. Thanks for the comment, sister, and again, I apologize for the delay in reply!
"Serving the Lord is privilege. We are slaves!" Woo-Wee!!!!
I disagree with the statement about if they huge crowd😕 Billy Graham had large crowds. Was he a false teacher?? No.
Thanks for your comment, Beth. Because we all have an indwelling sinful nature, people want to be taught what their itching ears want to hear. As Susan said, 2 Peter 2:2 says about false teachers, "many will follow them." The comment wasn't that ALL people with big followings are false teachers. The point being that it's a possible red flag. Thanks again for your comment!
I try to be very careful with my phone😳😱
I have ADHD so I can't memorize but I retain the message
What really matters is that you keep learning!
It sounded like she quoted Justin Bieber. I'm confused. I must have heard her wrong. (I hope.)
Haha! Yes, Shelley, you DID hear wrong! Justin Peters; not Beiber. Thanks for giving us a good chuckle tonight!
Authorized King James Bible,,,,,,,,,God didn’t confuse Mankind with 100’s of Versions,,,,, How can you sit in a Bible Study and everyone has their own (version),,,,,,
Some translations are much better than others for sure, but the truth is unless you are reading from the original Aramaic and Greek Scrolls. you are reading a translation.
I think Beth Moore and Joyce Myers are great teachers.
It doesn’t matter what we think. Both of these women disobey God and twist scripture.
I’m 75 years old. Belong to church of Christ, this lady must have only went to church, not Sunday night, or Bible study. In youth group at the age of 16 we study, we study Revelation along with Daniel, and Ezekiel. This was verse by verse. Maybe the southern Church of Christ is different.
That is awesome, Karla! Sounds like your church’s youth group was great!
Most likely CoC did this to enforce their "view" on eschatology. The question is, did they teach it properly? The Bible tells just one end times "view".
Why is she not using husbands name? Go into your memory of what Gods spectacular from a Christian woman.
Not sure what you are talking about, but Susan's husband is Senior Pastor Doug Heck from Grace Community Church in Tulsa, OK.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise but is patient toward you, not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should reach repentance."
God's heart is that ALL would know Him. We have free will. Predestination does not dictate our own determination. Joshua said "Choose this day whom you will serve." Hebrews 3:12 Tells saints to be careful that you are not led away or fall away from the living God.
Mt 24:10 Jesus said many will fall away.
You cannot fall away from what you did not embrace.
I am saddened for Joyce & Beth and don't find it appropriate for women of God to tell me to pour dirty cat litter on their teachings. They need our prayers...imagine if God moved them to repent of their false teachings publicly and the numbers that would hear.
Thank you for your comment! First, we continuously pray that false teachers repent and come to the Truth. But they need to be called out because they are leading millions astray with their lies. No one would be more elated than we if Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, or the rest came to understand the Truth and preached it!
I would suggest looking at passages like:
Eph 1:4
2thes 2:13-14
2tim 1:9
Romans 9:10-24
Ex 33:19
John 15:16-17
Neh 9:7-8
Gen 15:7-8
Gen 18:19
Duet 7:6-8
James 2:5
1peter 1:2
Matthew 22:14
Romans 8:29-30
1 Thes 1:2-5
John 17:2
Col 3:12-14
2tim 2:10
Rev 13:8
Gal 1:15-16
Matt 11:25-27
Rom 3:11-18
Col 2:13-15
Acts 16:14
Matthew 19:25-26
Eph 2:1-10
Eph 1:4
2thes 2:13-14
2tim 1:9
Romans 9:15-24
Ex 33:19
John 15:16-17
Neh 9:7-8
Gen 15:7-8
Gen 18:19
Duet 7:6-8
James 2:5
1peter 1:2
Maatthew 22:14
Romans 8:29-30
1 Thes 1:2-5
John 17:2
Col 3:12-14
2tim 2:10
Rev 13:8
Gal 1:15-16
Matt 11:25-27
Rom 3:11-18
Col 2:13-15
Acts 16:14
Matthew 19:25-26
Eph 2:1-10
The doctrine of Election is evident throughout the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. To think that we have some part in our salvation is to rob God of His due Glory and to say that He wants to save everyone, but does not have the power to do so. That is heresy. While from an earthly perspective, our decision to make Jesus our Lord and Savior is the biggest decision we will ever make, it has already been determined before the foundation of the world those God has chosen to save. The only reason we come to Jesus is because the Holy Spirit has regenerated our dead hearts; and all those He regenerates will come to Christ.
In the 2 Peter verse you quote, Peter is talking about all God’s people, not all people. Again, it’s a matter of putting it into context with the surrounding passages and with the rest of Scripture. It’s the same with the other verses
We hope this helps! Thanks for the dialogue!
Free will does not save anyone. You must be born again. God saves us by Himself from Himself. We are all born in sin. We are slaves to sin until He gives us life through Christ crucified. Salvation is not a human decision. It is Divine Accomplishment.
@@kate60 Exactly!!!
@@Proverbs910Ministries Election and Predestination freaks people out. I was saved when I picked up the Gideon Bible in my hotel room on a business trip. It was devastating. I knew immediately that I was a sinful woman before The Holy God. I knew election from day one. I am still the only saved in my family 32 years later. To God be all the GLORY!!! Amen
Please show me where the Bible speaks on free will. Public ministries are open to public criticism. Do all people get saved? Why not? People who think that salvation is a human choice are a pain in the neck. The Gospel is Christ Crucified not ask Jesus into your heart. He is not needy or desperate. He does whatever He pleases. Honestly, the free will of God scares me. Humility before Him who is Holy. Romans 1...He turns people over to their sins. Check your doctrine carefully. Truth dies when people play the "nice" card to discredit the truth teller. The world is not our friend.
Got saved again? I don't think so. This person herself is a false teacher.
If you watched the whole interview, Susan was being sarcastic about herself saying that she thought she had to be saved again because didn’t understand Scripture or salvation at that time. Susan has a solid handle on the sovereignty of God in salvation.