The quiver isn't just a drop from Domo. It's from the epic hunter quest started by the leaf that Domo can drop. And you need to farm a Mature Blue Dragon Sinew to get the quiver.
and it makes no sense to buy that expensive dragon sinew to just get 2 more slots for ammo. i mean from AV rep you can get a blue one with 16 slots which also increases attack speed by 15%
The Meta Gems Speed does not stack with Boars Speed. That apparently was just one of the Pservers I was on. Also forgot to put Mark of the Champion Trinket on there, which is BiS for any Undead/Demons, which is Most of Karazhan, Black Temple and SWP.
Overall, nice Video. Thanks! But the pattern i can see is that you presume a Horde-Hunter coming out of Classic. Why? Due to Blessing of Kings, an Alliance-Hunter would wear Band of Reanimation instead of Band of Unnatural Forces, Prestors Talisman instead of the KT-Neck and probably different 1H Melee Weapons (but Kingsfall is no doubt the best for both Alliance and Horde). At Least if the Hunter gets his Hands on all of those Items.
This ^ and Cthun cloak is also better than Shroud of Dominion as soon as you have any stat increasing buff on your character and/or you are softcapped on crit (25%+).
It's extremely unlikely hunters will have Band of Unnatural Forces going into TBC, as rogues/fury warriors will be all over it. Most hunters will at best enter TBC with T3 ring + Band of Reanimation (34 agi).
Band of Reanimation is 22 Agi+46 AP in TBC by the way. (Cryptstalker becomes 20Agi+40 AP+6mp/5 as well.) [AQ40 rep ring also becomes 18 agi, 24 ap, 10 hit, 13 stam]
Pretty nice list, but the Adamantite Stinger isn't going to be ingame in TBC Classic until ZA is too (Probably Phase 3, out of 4). Source: www.wowhead.com/item=33803/adamantite-stinger And THANK YOU, for not talking about the so called "importance" of getting to the hit cap, too much. If there is one misconception the wow community needs to put to rest, its that one.
How does Prestor's Talisman of Connivery stack up against TBC necks? As far as I know, many hunters will want Prestor's over Stormrage unless they're getting hit from somewhere else? Same with Cloak of the Fallen God vs Shroud of Dominion, they're so close to each other but with a paladin Fallen God pulls ahead. Am I thinking in terms of MM too much?
@@Crix_Gaming Prestor's is the better bm neck - its at least 6-7 dps better than KT neck. The raw crit does nothing to your pet, while the agi converts to crit for your pet and the 10 hit rating is also a bonus.
I have to add some notes: Head for survival is not optimal. Best choice would be D3 head. So if you have head+shoulders+chest+hands - you can go farming these incredible 3 legs: 1st choice Scaled Greaves of the Marksman = 37 agi(!!!) , 3 red sockets (bonus is +4 agi!), 16 hit rating, 76 AP ===> from Doomlord Kazzak on Hellfire Peninsula - sweaty guilds or the auction house will get you these, they really have t5 stats! 2nd choice Wastewalker Leggings = 31 agi, 2 red sockets, 1 blue (bonus resilience ...), 19 hit rating, 28 AP (end boss mana tombs heroic) 3rd choice Scaled Greaves of Patience = 28 agi, 3 sockets (bonus dodge ...), 46 AP (2nd boss in "escape from durnholde" normal) better belt for Survival = "Dunewind Sash" from 2nd boss in "Underbogs" heroic: 21 agi, 1 red 1 blue socket (bonus +3 agi), 50 AP funny find on boots: i simmed and surprisingly found that t0.5 boots (YES! From Classic! = "Beastmaster Boots") are even better than boots of the endless hunt for beastmaster hunters! The +3% damage for pets are huge! rings: Yes, true strike ring is not worth buying if you can get "band of reanimation" - the values get changed in tbc to 22 agi, 46 AP! But as bm most optimal choice with my other suggestions can be indeed "band of unnatural force" and "kaylaans signet" (15 agi, 10 hit rating, 50 ap) from an aldor quest in netherstorm - because they both have talso the needed hit. ranged: As beastmaster get "soulstring" from 4hm in naxx! It will carry you until "Wrathtide Longbow" if you dont want the rep grind on hellfire peninsula ... If you are really sweaty and juggle with the hit, you can go axe black smithing on beast master and get "lunar crescent" (47 crit rating, 96 AP!); the second stage would be "mooncleaver" (52 crit rating, 106 AP!!!). This will carry you until T5 bis weapon from Kael'Thas ("Twinblade of the Phoenix")
Yo! Thank you so much for all that information. I dont play a Hunter as much to know if you're correct, but ill take your word for it! Thanks for the extra information Man.
@@Crix_Gaming :) No problem. Hunter is a calling for me. Especially sv hunter in tbc. Some of these things i wrote here we discussed in the classic hunter channel a few days ago. For example: the 2handed craft axe meta is fresh - just popped up because someone vaguely asked. i simmed it and et voila, best 2handed weapon from pre raid until end of t5. Surprised me too, never thought about it! I also did some simming on the naxx parts. You mentioned lots of them and you are right, i came to the (almost) same conclusions. I would add that one darkmoon trinket ("crusade") is even slightly better than the hourglass - i think it could be group & fight length dependant.
the 1h section is a bit off. guile of khorazi + claw of the watcher from auchenai crypts hc first boss is the best combo. claw of the watcher beats all the other options you listed because of adamantite weightstone
For arrows, I seem to remember the Keepers of Time sell Timeless Arrows at honoured, but not sure if they were available from the outset or came with a later patch?
The people who tell you what’s bis for survival spec I’ll almost garuntee don’t play the spec. There guessing based on the assumption that the highest agi items are the best. As a survival main for many years on private servers I can assure you this is not accurate. Although to there credit they got a lot more right then I see in most other lists
Decent info but lots of items were overlooked. I believe you forgot about the trinket called Mark of Conquest. It is stupid good when it comes to mana allowing you to camp hawk. You pretty much need it from my experience if you don't have wisdom judged on the boss. As for main hand, Claw of the Watcher from AC HC 1st boss is fucking disgustingly good. Beats Stellaris by miles.
Man, thank you so much for pointing that out. I noticed a couple days later that I was missing it when I saw Mark of the Champion for Locks lol. As for Claw, from what I understand only Surv really goes 1H/OH for the extra Agi and Claw has no Agi on it, however you could Socket 2 Agi's, but even then you're not at as much Agi as Stellaris. Unless I'm missing something?
@@Crix_Gaming @Crix Gaming Regarding the claw and survival. You have to consider upgrades as a net effect on the whole raid. If your survival has to chose between +2 agi or +40 AP it is better to go for the 40 AP, as it will net more AP than the extra +2 AGI would from a stronger debuff even with the whole raid in mind. If that wasn't the case Badge of Tenacity would always be bis for survival the entire game (it's still stupid good on short bosses btw and/or if you can FD swap trinkets). Also, fist weapons allow you to use weight stones (crit) instead of mana oil which you would have to run on an axe if I am not mistaken. At least I think axes are sharpening stones. Claw is just fucking busted for hunter overall and should not be replaced until T6 weapons. Fist weapons are your friends if you can chose. Don Santos Hunting Rifle is also a vey nice weapon early on. Either way, we are discussing in the context of kindergarten classic tuning so Mark of Conquest will probably be a waste of trinket slot and who cares if one weapon allows you to do 8 more DPS than the other? Simply channelling my autism as the video discusses pre raid bis in an objective manner. Just get 4 set beastlord and you will be able to kill T6 bosses in 3 seconds with a hunter heavy comp.
@@Crix_Gaming Weight stones are still a mystery - because it was changed back and forth in the various tbc patches. We really have to see what patch (and "intended bugs" :D ) they will give us.
Would be nice if you gonna redo this video keeping in mind all the comments :) Like Prestors and so on. I like the style but it's a 7/10 at best because of "misinformation".
And there is another boe (blue) world drop that i would consider 3rd best choice for bm and nr 1 choice for survival: --> "cloak of the craft": 25 agi, 20 ap, 13 hit rating
From my understanding Hunters prefer Ebon due to the Crit, plus the 6 Sockets that usually go towards the Meta requirements and the hit is nice. Feral and Rogues prefer Primal Strike.
The primal strike sims slightly better for bm then ebon netherscale set - of course you have to get the hit right in that combination. And sure - the sockets are a thing - you need to be more careful with primal strike because you only have very few options to get the meta requierement. luckily purple (+8ap, +6stam) and orange gems (e.g. 4 agi+4hit or +8ap, +4crit) will help you there.
secrets other then a one shot macro and a blue dungeon set beast lord that will last you until sunwell then you replace it with the raid pen set????? i need to know the other secrets for my boosted bm hunter when the time comes.
I would allocate most of my hit into rings for phase one since you'll be using Beast Lord pieces and they provide no hit or very minimal. BTW @crixgaming let's roll in @asmongoldtv server so we can gank him lol.
Great guide. Quick and to the points. It's insane how good Naxx gear is through TBC.
The quiver isn't just a drop from Domo. It's from the epic hunter quest started by the leaf that Domo can drop. And you need to farm a Mature Blue Dragon Sinew to get the quiver.
and it makes no sense to buy that expensive dragon sinew to just get 2 more slots for ammo. i mean from AV rep you can get a blue one with 16 slots which also increases attack speed by 15%
@@Tiemooo59 2 slots are worth if u wear it forever
This is 100% spot-on.
Appreciate the content. Subbed and looking forward to more! +1 vote for Shaman (Ele)
great channel! looking forward to following your content in the future
Would be super dope to have seventy upgrade links in the description for both avenues of hunter spec
Daaaamn our fave youtuber throwing us massive hunter knowledge 💯
The Meta Gems Speed does not stack with Boars Speed. That apparently was just one of the Pservers I was on. Also forgot to put Mark of the Champion Trinket on there, which is BiS for any Undead/Demons, which is Most of Karazhan, Black Temple and SWP.
You can get 16 slot 15% quiver/pouch for 10 Alterac marks
Overall, nice Video. Thanks!
But the pattern i can see is that you presume a Horde-Hunter coming out of Classic. Why? Due to Blessing of Kings, an Alliance-Hunter would wear Band of Reanimation instead of Band of Unnatural Forces, Prestors Talisman instead of the KT-Neck and probably different 1H Melee Weapons (but Kingsfall is no doubt the best for both Alliance and Horde). At Least if the Hunter gets his Hands on all of those Items.
This ^ and Cthun cloak is also better than Shroud of Dominion as soon as you have any stat increasing buff on your character and/or you are softcapped on crit (25%+).
It's extremely unlikely hunters will have Band of Unnatural Forces going into TBC, as rogues/fury warriors will be all over it.
Most hunters will at best enter TBC with T3 ring + Band of Reanimation (34 agi).
Yeah im sure it's hard to get some of the pieces. But I just wanted to show absolute P6 BiS
Band of Reanimation is 22 Agi+46 AP in TBC by the way. (Cryptstalker becomes 20Agi+40 AP+6mp/5 as well.) [AQ40 rep ring also becomes 18 agi, 24 ap, 10 hit, 13 stam]
You need 4piece beast lord with crafted lw chest or you’re just casualing.
Pretty nice list, but the Adamantite Stinger isn't going to be ingame in TBC Classic until ZA is too (Probably Phase 3, out of 4).
Source: www.wowhead.com/item=33803/adamantite-stinger
And THANK YOU, for not talking about the so called "importance" of getting to the hit cap, too much. If there is one misconception the wow community needs to put to rest, its that one.
For trinkets, any opinion on Badge of the Swarmguard? How good would the armor reduction be, or does the total lack of static stats make it worse?
How does Prestor's Talisman of Connivery stack up against TBC necks? As far as I know, many hunters will want Prestor's over Stormrage unless they're getting hit from somewhere else? Same with Cloak of the Fallen God vs Shroud of Dominion, they're so close to each other but with a paladin Fallen God pulls ahead. Am I thinking in terms of MM too much?
i think
Prestor's Talisman of Connivery is better than the kt neck, what do you guys think?
That is a very good SV neck.
@@Crix_Gaming Prestor's is the better bm neck - its at least 6-7 dps better than KT neck. The raw crit does nothing to your pet, while the agi converts to crit for your pet and the 10 hit rating is also a bonus.
I have to add some notes:
Head for survival is not optimal. Best choice would be D3 head. So if you have head+shoulders+chest+hands - you can go farming these incredible 3 legs:
1st choice
Scaled Greaves of the Marksman = 37 agi(!!!) , 3 red sockets (bonus is +4 agi!), 16 hit rating, 76 AP ===> from Doomlord Kazzak on Hellfire Peninsula - sweaty guilds or the auction house will get you these, they really have t5 stats!
2nd choice
Wastewalker Leggings = 31 agi, 2 red sockets, 1 blue (bonus resilience ...), 19 hit rating, 28 AP (end boss mana tombs heroic)
3rd choice
Scaled Greaves of Patience = 28 agi, 3 sockets (bonus dodge ...), 46 AP (2nd boss in "escape from durnholde" normal)
better belt for Survival = "Dunewind Sash" from 2nd boss in "Underbogs" heroic:
21 agi, 1 red 1 blue socket (bonus +3 agi), 50 AP
funny find on boots: i simmed and surprisingly found that t0.5 boots (YES! From Classic! = "Beastmaster Boots") are even better than boots of the endless hunt for beastmaster hunters! The +3% damage for pets are huge!
rings: Yes, true strike ring is not worth buying if you can get "band of reanimation" - the values get changed in tbc to 22 agi, 46 AP!
But as bm most optimal choice with my other suggestions can be indeed "band of unnatural force" and "kaylaans signet" (15 agi, 10 hit rating, 50 ap) from an aldor quest in netherstorm - because they both have talso the needed hit.
ranged: As beastmaster get "soulstring" from 4hm in naxx! It will carry you until "Wrathtide Longbow" if you dont want the rep grind on hellfire peninsula ...
If you are really sweaty and juggle with the hit, you can go axe black smithing on beast master and get "lunar crescent" (47 crit rating, 96 AP!); the second stage would be "mooncleaver" (52 crit rating, 106 AP!!!). This will carry you until T5 bis weapon from Kael'Thas ("Twinblade of the Phoenix")
Yo! Thank you so much for all that information. I dont play a Hunter as much to know if you're correct, but ill take your word for it! Thanks for the extra information Man.
@@Crix_Gaming :) No problem. Hunter is a calling for me. Especially sv hunter in tbc. Some of these things i wrote here we discussed in the classic hunter channel a few days ago. For example: the 2handed craft axe meta is fresh - just popped up because someone vaguely asked. i simmed it and et voila, best 2handed weapon from pre raid until end of t5. Surprised me too, never thought about it! I also did some simming on the naxx parts. You mentioned lots of them and you are right, i came to the (almost) same conclusions.
I would add that one darkmoon trinket ("crusade") is even slightly better than the hourglass - i think it could be group & fight length dependant.
Lovin the content man, would love a warrior version. Prot and dps if that aint too much to ask lmao.
the 1h section is a bit off. guile of khorazi + claw of the watcher from auchenai crypts hc first boss is the best combo. claw of the watcher beats all the other options you listed because of adamantite weightstone
Seems that you aren't taking in the scaleing down of level 60 items have at higher levels?
For arrows, I seem to remember the Keepers of Time sell Timeless Arrows at honoured, but not sure if they were available from the outset or came with a later patch?
Beast Lord Helm comes from Mech N from the last boss.
No waist/Belt?
The people who tell you what’s bis for survival spec I’ll almost garuntee don’t play the spec. There guessing based on the assumption that the highest agi items are the best. As a survival main for many years on private servers I can assure you this is not accurate. Although to there credit they got a lot more right then I see in most other lists
Can you send me your BIS list for survival please mi lord? :)
Try slowing down, it sounds like you’re speeding through everything you have to say.
eminem flow ... y know what im sayin
Play it at 75% sooo much better
Decent info but lots of items were overlooked.
I believe you forgot about the trinket called Mark of Conquest. It is stupid good when it comes to mana allowing you to camp hawk. You pretty much need it from my experience if you don't have wisdom judged on the boss.
As for main hand, Claw of the Watcher from AC HC 1st boss is fucking disgustingly good. Beats Stellaris by miles.
Man, thank you so much for pointing that out. I noticed a couple days later that I was missing it when I saw Mark of the Champion for Locks lol.
As for Claw, from what I understand only Surv really goes 1H/OH for the extra Agi and Claw has no Agi on it, however you could Socket 2 Agi's, but even then you're not at as much Agi as Stellaris. Unless I'm missing something?
@@Crix_Gaming @Crix Gaming Regarding the claw and survival. You have to consider upgrades as a net effect on the whole raid. If your survival has to chose between +2 agi or +40 AP it is better to go for the 40 AP, as it will net more AP than the extra +2 AGI would from a stronger debuff even with the whole raid in mind. If that wasn't the case Badge of Tenacity would always be bis for survival the entire game (it's still stupid good on short bosses btw and/or if you can FD swap trinkets). Also, fist weapons allow you to use weight stones (crit) instead of mana oil which you would have to run on an axe if I am not mistaken. At least I think axes are sharpening stones. Claw is just fucking busted for hunter overall and should not be replaced until T6 weapons. Fist weapons are your friends if you can chose.
Don Santos Hunting Rifle is also a vey nice weapon early on.
Either way, we are discussing in the context of kindergarten classic tuning so Mark of Conquest will probably be a waste of trinket slot and who cares if one weapon allows you to do 8 more DPS than the other? Simply channelling my autism as the video discusses pre raid bis in an objective manner. Just get 4 set beastlord and you will be able to kill T6 bosses in 3 seconds with a hunter heavy comp.
@@MW-ty5zw Man, thanks for responding. I didn't even think about the Weight stones!
@@Crix_Gaming Weight stones are still a mystery - because it was changed back and forth in the various tbc patches. We really have to see what patch (and "intended bugs" :D ) they will give us.
Looking forward to a warrior version
great content, but could you slow your speech juuuust a tad please mate? haha
Yeah I ZOOOOOM. Something i've been working on for 31 Years.
What about Shaffar's Band of Brutality in the ring slot, is that not available at launch or something?
That is not available until the BT patch when the quest chain to summon Yor becomes available
You forgot Don Santos rifle.
Would be nice if you gonna redo this video keeping in mind all the comments :) Like Prestors and so on. I like the style but it's a 7/10 at best because of "misinformation".
Auchenai Death Shroud is from the Heroic version of Auch, not Normal.
OHH! Thanks man
And there is another boe (blue) world drop that i would consider 3rd best choice for bm and nr 1 choice for survival: --> "cloak of the craft": 25 agi, 20 ap, 13 hit rating
Your using retails gear tho... classic items you have listed have the wrong stats and have way more stats then what your showing us
@1.39 t3 2set wow 4k seconds duration increase . noice
19 min guide to tell you " when you start doing 70 content" get that gear
Isnt primalstrike better than the ebon netherscale stuff?
From my understanding Hunters prefer Ebon due to the Crit, plus the 6 Sockets that usually go towards the Meta requirements and the hit is nice. Feral and Rogues prefer Primal Strike.
The primal strike sims slightly better for bm then ebon netherscale set - of course you have to get the hit right in that combination. And sure - the sockets are a thing - you need to be more careful with primal strike because you only have very few options to get the meta requierement. luckily purple (+8ap, +6stam) and orange gems (e.g. 4 agi+4hit or +8ap, +4crit) will help you there.
Epic quiver drops from azuregoes not Major Domo.
Ohh dope. Thanks.!
Or low drop % from blue Dragonkin elites
So basically last all of leveling?
Ohh yeah.
secrets other then a one shot macro and a blue dungeon set beast lord that will last you until sunwell then you replace it with the raid pen set?????
i need to know the other secrets for my boosted bm hunter when the time comes.
the fk you make a hunter guide as not even playing a hunter kek xDD
tldr, you're naxx gear gets replaced week 1 xD
Yeah. Sadly. I should really change the title. Lol
People are getting to 70 in 1 week? That ridiculous
@@mikeyrobinson5355 week 1 Archimonde baby
@@mikeyrobinson5355 you're right, should be a weekend max
I would allocate most of my hit into rings for phase one since you'll be using Beast Lord pieces and they provide no hit or very minimal.
BTW @crixgaming let's roll in @asmongoldtv server so we can gank him lol.
Don’t speed run English fam. And make the stuff readable lmao