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Beast is conceptually the quintessential x-men character. A hulking feral looking creature who's actually a sensitive and brilliant person. It really needs a better big screen depiction.
Kelsey Grammer's Beast was so fascinating because behind all that makeup and prosthetics and blue, you could see not just a person, but a smart, dignified human being that wasn't just smart, but more than anything, he was HUMAN. I think subsequent versions of Beast have failed at this (outside of animation of course, where he's always given his due, thankfully).
He's the true best representation of,beyond what's on the surface level ,lays the true character of a well distinguished gentleman,not afraid to fight for what's right,but always willing to talk and be diplomatic It helps that he looks badass
This fact also does a lot of worldbuilding, because we never need an explanation for why Beast is very much the public face of mutants. He's inescapably a mutant, but can also overcome that - exactly who you want advocating for mutant rights.
This is just why I love the x men in general. Behind the powers they’re all just people trying to forge their way through the world. All while trying to save the world that turned their back against them.
Kelsey grammar played the best Beast but the other actors portrayal dug deeper into his intelligence and his role as an inventor with the team. But agreed on Grammar.
Honestly I’m surprised Kelsey’s never been asked to voice Beast in an animated project he’s proven how great a voice actor he is he could easily reprise his role as Beast in a new animated show
I agree. His voice for Beast is great. Though he hasn't even had the chance to voice him since between 2013 and 2019 we didn't get the X-Men in anything but the 20th Century Fox movies, The Gifted, Legion (series), and the Marvel comic books, and even then it seems that they were downplaying mutants in the books and trying to replace them with Inhumans.
Kelsey Grammer was born to play Beast. I hope he continues being him. I know he showed up in The Marvels at the end. Hope he shows up in Deadpool and Wolverine
@@godofthecripples1237 Do you know what a dub is? You know he didn't say that line you're hearing on set when they filmed? Please tell me you know that movies aren't real.
I like that Kelsey's version in last stand is one of these characters who have been allies of Charles for long before these movies ever took place. (until First Class of course)
I don't think Hoult's Beast was bad at all. He's actually given a lot to do in the movies. Compared to other X-Men characters who're just there to showcase their powers and show little personality. He's significantly younger than Kelsey's Beast so he's not gonna mirror the traits of his older self. He was still growing. Its also important to note that First Class was a movie that had a very short production deadline. Yet it ended up being 1 of if not the best in the X-Men movie franchise. Matthew Vaughn doesn't get enough credit for it. They literally stole the credit from him when they robbed him of Days of Future Past and gave it to Bryan Singer. A movie that he spent a lot of time writing but was once again rushed out by the studio.
0:09 I love the way they did Beast’s makeup design in Singer’s trilogy. He’s handsome, blue, hairy, the makeup fits the face of the actor, he looks different from other blue characters. He’s in a suit and talks about Wolverine in diapers. It’s great.
I rly wish we spent more time with Kelsey as a politician. That's always been my favorite part of the character. Him as a fighter/doctor/pilote/engineer/chemist is just heh.
The reason why Beast can switch between forms is explained in DOFP, Beast explains that he uses enough of the serum to keep himself balanced, while Charles overdoes it and therefore loses his powers(plus during the finale of the film Beast injects himself with like 10 needles of the stuff and turns back to normal and doesn’t get detected by the sentinels, and since he didn’t do that without the serum it means he presumably has to take the serum every time he wants to go back to looking normal
Yea thats a slack reason its really due to the fact Nick was a huge actor at the time, and they wanted to show his face and pay less on makeup / cgi its just a lame reason and low brow im glad they did explain it tho but still
@@rockzen8050Nick was also dating J Law who got quite the ego after Hunger Games. Once she decided she didn't want to be in the makeup chair anymore he did the same. So they had to write around characters who EMBRACE their physical mutations because the actors wanted more face time
@@richborn6700 So damn true she was more of the reason , im positive once she started to DIva her way into changing the makeup needs, they felt bad and like they might be wasting time doing Nick up in full makeup and cgi she really is a basic mid actor
I cant picture Hoult's Beast becoming someone who says "oh my stars and stripes". You dont just _become_ a person who talks like that, not without joining a cult or something
I always loved the scene where Beast resigns when talking to the President. It’s very quick and could have been removed. But I love his manner of resigning. “What happened on that convoy was inexcusable.” Referring to the “cure” being used in a gun. He’s so steadfast in his beliefs and I love that about him.
Kelsey grammars was perfect. Im picky about beast bc hes my favorite xmen. His first scene is on point, and i LOVE his job in the movie bc its just perfect for him. I dont want people to focus on him too much, but he is a perfect supporting character
I never disliked Nicolas Hoult’s Beast, I never liked the more Wolfman look they gave him, but the character was good. Yes I do much prefer Kelsey Grammer’s & I’m really happy he’s back in the role.
Honestly I wasn’t sure how to feel about how he acted after raven was killed in dark phoenix. Comic Beast would almost never go all bloodthirsty in a blink of an eye but at the same time he’s much younger in the dark phoenix period so many it’s more angst?
I love Kelsey Grammar. He's always been one of my favorite actors since i was a kid and my mom and stepdad were watching Cheers at dinner. I miss you both.
Kelsey Grammer as Beast is right up there with Mark Strong as Sinestro in Green Lantern. Perfect casting and some of the best screen adaptations of comic book characters on a live screen wasted on a lackluster film.
Hoult was the runner-up to Pattinson to be the latest Batman. That would've been way better casting than Hoult as Beast, or Luthor, for that matter. Also, how the hell is Kelsey Grammer only 69?? He's been middle-aged since I was freaking born, and I'm 40.
@@a_fine_edition2746is ya serious 😂 hoult is the perfect height and isn’t wimpy rn as we speak he’s literally going to be perfect as Lex and the acting will be the best part about him because we’ve seen how diverse he can be.
AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius And now he's gonna ruin... * Borderlands * Kraven the Hunter * The Legend of Zelda movie * Naruto As long Arad lives, there's no hope
Met this guy last weekend, on a night out in Stockwell. Can honestly say he's a lovely, friendly, down to earth fella. Wish you the best of luck with your channel mate. Top man.
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The rumours are Marvel is developing an X-Men movie set in the universe that we see at the end of The Marvels, so presumably that’s when we’ll see Kelsey Grammer back as Beast.
As cool as that sounds, I think it's going to be a new cast of actors as the MCU X-Men, with legacy actors like Grammer, Jackman, and Stewart from the FOX movies only appearing in Secret Wars and maybe Deadpool and Wolverine.
@@karimion2157all that wait time is really going to cool off the hype for X-Mens return. '97 reignited the passion but waiting three years for casting and probably another two for an actual film release? That's like 2029 and a full decade since the last X-Men film. It's a real bummer
I think one of the best/most underrated aspects about Kelsey’s beast is how intimidating he is. Like I know the makeup/prosthetics most likely added some bulk to him but I feel we should appreciate the fact that you 100% believe that Kelsey grammer, a man who’s most iconic role was a pompous neurotic radio psychiatrist, could totally break you in half if he felt like it
I've been rewatching the xmen series with my newcomer boyfriend and these films have aged fantastically for the most part. Watching a marvel film that's not the mundane 'MCU style' is so refreshing
The problem with the X-Men transferring to the MCU tho is that god forbidden scene in Multiverse of Madness where Scarlet Witch no diffs the illuminati. Makes me not even care about any potential X-Men, Fantastic Four, or Inhumans connections because their leaders got punked and looked weak asf. Yeah it was done to make Scarlet Witch look unstoppable but when none of those characters had any presence before that scene it's all we have and our first memory will be them getting shit on. It's the problem with Kang now, he's supposed to be the next big bad but he has no aura since Antman beat him up and Loki cucked him having his only power. Maybe it's just me, but these factors matter
@@anthonyvillanueva5226 I didn't know they'd have different casting, if that's the case then what I said isn't as valid. But it's still a bad way to start off
I agree with you, but i knew the Illuminati was going to be done wrong ...i mean did you read Civil war? the movie is dog trashhh compared to the comic and i refuse to even say its mid its low tier, should have been called Tony vs Cap civil war in comics was a huge deal people died , hugely effected Spiderman in that he tells the public his Identity and Aunt may gets dogged on by a bunch of baddies civil war film did what the Multiverse of madness did to illuminati
Exactly. One of many reasons why I hated that dr strange movie and mcu in general Scarlett witch is trash . In the comics she would get destroyed by all the illlumati. Even Charles could one shot her. Mcu is just terrible at this point. With its political correctness
I didn't really mind Nicholas Hoult's Beast and it kinda shows alot of growth with Beast throughout the years finally coming to grips of who he is and embracing himself as a mutant and I think he was just shell-shocked with the boy with the cure tbh
Agreed. But most of these people will not give these movies that much credible. They wont even acknowledge when these movies are great or even fantastic like Logan and Days of Future Past. They consistently sound like ignorant bigots about these movies
in regards to First Class, I think it got down to time. Mathew Vaughn and co only had only 9 months to get the whole project done so i wouldn't be surprised if some of the turned out to be rushed.
Love the Kelsey grammar appreciation! Rare to see anyone say anything about him positive or negative! And that’s a good thing ! Definitely a great casting and design. However I had nothing against Holt either but I can see the criticism in his facial prosthetics. There was too much going on . Too cat like , like he should be on avatar
Sorry, but Hoult just simply sucked. He looks nothing like the character and has no charisma. One of the most boring actors ever. Kelsey Grammer is far superior in every possible aspect.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 I respect your oppinion but I feel differently no need to be sorry 💯 sure grammer is superior I wasn’t saying he wasn’t . But I enjoyed both . That’s all
Anyone else painfully aware of how the speaker draws out the ending of the last word in his sentences? I loved the part where beast is whipping around and kicking people 😂 good edits
1:27 - Yes. That David Hayter. "Kept you waitin', huh?" - Solid Snake/Old Snake, Iroquois Pliskin, Naked Snake/Big Boss. David Hayter also voiced Captain America in the 1990s Marvel Animated Universe show Spider-Man: The Animated Series and The Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes in the game Marvel Heroes, he also had a cameo in 20th Century Fox's first X-Men film and wrote a script for a Black Widow movie that he was going to direct too, but sadly it never got made :^(. Now as for the topic of the video, Nicholas Holt could have been amazing as Beast for he is a spectacular actor (similar to Miles Teller in Fant4stic 2015) but it seems that Brian Singer didn't seem to understand that his characterization in X-Men First Class was just how he was when he was a young man and he should have already been more like The Last Stand Beast by the time Days of Future Past takes place. Kelsey Grammer Beast is great, one of the best parts of the film.
I love both Grammer and Holt Versions of Beast but I will admit that Grammer is Full to Perfection as Beast and honestly I came to loathe Actors showing their Faces instead of keeping the Mask, Make Up, or CGI Faces to portray the Characters out of the Page.
The scene in x3 where Beast meets Leech is incredible, and kelsey grammer nails it. You can tell it took Hank a long time and a lot of soul-searching to come to terms with his mutation, and hes probably wished many times that he could just be human, and seeing his own non-blue, non-furry hand just brings it all back. He manages to hold it together infront of the kid, but by the time he gets back to the doctor, he's visibly shaken. Amazing scene
I never quite understood the nature of the prequel Xmen series, in the sense that over 2-and-a-half decades seem to pass between First Class and Dark Phoenix, and yet none of the og x-men from First Class seem to really age in any significant way. Holt especially still looks like a bloke in his mid-to-late 20s when he's supposed to be well into his 40s by the time Dark Phoenix starts.
That deleted scene when Beast recites Shakespeare is probably better than any of the new trilogy beast, he was played well by Nicolas Hoult, but the character was written with just the basics of the character and no flavour also the design was too werewolf, which worked ok when it was set in the 70's but not that well in the other movies
My problem with hoult's portrayal is that it isn't beast at all. And hoult could be beast, he's an amazing actor, but they didn't make hoult beast. Kelsey grammar is the best live action beast
I always imagine the Beast Nicolas Hoult portrayed was still in his beginnings. He was discovering himself and the change through which he went. He felt awkward and WAS awkward.Grammer's beast was mature and grounded. He knew how to play with his skills and felt, in fact, that he was used to being beast. That's why it seemed natural. I think it's a fair sequence to development of the character and is the natural course of how things should go. If you think of it that way, It'll give you peace, I'm sure.
Oh man I’m loving the energy you’ve got in the most recent vids, your last one was a smash hit, x men content seems to treat you well and I’m so ready for more the boys videos
5:56 This always stood out. Just designing a plane doesn’t mean you can fly it, similarly to knowing how to create guns won’t make you proficient in firearm combat.
I kind of liked beast from the “prequels” i really liked the casting and all and thought it went well, i think they were just kind of restricted on what they could do when the last stand did stuff with him. I also thought that it would make more sense if they gave a reason on why he was so close to Xavier, like had a scene where Xavier did something to make himself important for beast
Younger Beast should have had the exact same personality as Kelsey Grammer's older Beast. Some people don't take decades to figure themselves out. Young beast could easily work coming off as a learned old scientist, in fact it would be fresh. He'd just be an old soul who reads a lot and enjoys the classics and philosophy, at 20 years old.
Kelsey Grammer will always be beast in my heart. It was one of the few X-Men characters that I think did justice of the 90s cartoon show when it comes to beast act physically not as physically muscular. But I also think that might’ve been because of Kelsey playing Zozi in Bartok the magnificent because a possible hero is such a good song. I wish it was longer.
You know if they were going to have Henry in The Marvels look like how he did, they should have just stuck with the makeup and prosthetics. If they were going to make him CGI, they should have given him a design that required it. Like have him look like a slightly buffer version of his X-Men Evolution self, my favorite look for Beast in his ape form.
im so glad we got the beast in the mcu that looks exactly like the one from the animated show. it looks so good and hopefully the cgi becomes a bit more realistic too
If anyone else is a metal gear solid nerd like me and was wondering, when he mentions the screenwriter for the X-men movie being “David Hayter” he is in fact talking about the same David Hayter who did the voice of solid snake in almost every American version of the metal gear solid games. As soon as I heard the name I instantly went to google to find out if it was the same guy.
The one missed opportunity was that upside-down reading shot. They should have utilized gravity to give him the giant hair wingers (at least for that moment).
Considering Marvel Studios brough back Kelsey Grammar as Beast in a certain Marvel movie credits scene i think he is the best Beast we have gotten so far.
1:27 Solid Snake admitted that it became lame and then went onenof the most beloved actors in video game history, right after Kickstarting superhero movies as a trend. Fucking legend David.
Kelsey Grammer was willing to don the make-up again, but it wasn't feasable for such a short scene. He said he would wear the makeup for future appearances
The wirework on beast was actually fantastic, he actually looked like he had gravity when he did far jumps and tackles, a lot of the time people just end up looking like they float.
When I just read the title, my first thought was: What!?! Kelsey Grammer was about as perfect a live action Beast as is possible. Then I remembered, oh right, there was the other one, nvm 😅
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer But for THE LAST STAND, he decided to step in as the main producer That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
It was rushed into production way before the script became a coherent whole so they slapped together two story variants and went along after Singer dropped out while Ratner was the yes man all the time
Your problem with complaining out him taking a serum to get the hair and beastly appearance is that the method, albeit not the timing, is actually comic book canon. It happened in 1972's Amazing Adventures #11.
Nicholas Hoult's not even a bad actor and i actually liked him in first class for the first part of it but they just made his character get worse later on in that movie and especially in days of future past which is a movie i can't enjoy because of his, mystique's, and magneto's writing in that movie were all frustrating
First class explanation about the cure accidentally enhancing the mutation makes sense because if the viral is meant to destroy a systematic aspect the system will either die or advance past the virus.
Beast always been one of those characters that never made me really like him because he was basically the blue gorilla man that gets captured by humans in most adaptations. In live-action Beast is a much cooler and actually more interesting than other bigger characters because he's much more than his looks. He feels heavy but agile, strong but swift and with a deep but calming voice, which Kelsey Grammer nailed 100%. He had the body size and the acting, just perfect on the role. I'd love if they'd made the solo Beast movie with him. I know they'd probably recast him because he hated the makeup, but it would mean a lot to see him back with it instead of CGI.
Another great video, but just to clarify the DOFP topic of why Beast can transform into either form without extra medicine is he does say to Wolverine that he takes enough to keep him balanced but Charles takes too much. And he says this while we watch Charles shoot himself up with the syringe of the medicine like an addict. So, that is why Hoult can transform from blue beast to his human form and back again. And when he needed to transform back immediately when being targeted by one of the Sentinels in the end, he shoots himself up with like 6 syringes for immediate effect. Other than that small point, again, great video!
6:05, The biggest justification for Cat Beast is this more animalistic look kind of pairs well with this earlier Hank on a thematic level. This is the monster Hank sees himself as, and with his continued usages of serums and his growth towards accepting the affects of his mutant condition on his appearance, not only is he able to switch between his bestial and human form at will, but his bestial form also becomes less animalistic, less monstrous. 10:28, Of course, the various continuity issues with this franchise that essentially make each of its post-Last Stand installments their own separate continuities means Nicholas Hoult’s Hank doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with Kelsey Grammer’s Hank beyond Days Of Future Past’s epilogue, meaning attempting to connect his past iterations to the one in Last Stand wouldn’t really work either way.
I don't think the actor they got for young beast was even the right body shape. I always imagined pre-blue Beast as far stockier. They also failed to really convey the size of his feet, much less his hands. His feet should have been so big he couldn't wear shoes and his hands so large he had issues handling small things like books and pens/pencils. He should have had a LOT more body hair too. All of this would have better gone towards the assumptions he has to deal with that he is unintelligent, particularly from anti-mutant racists. (I felt that other than the bar scene in the first film and the scene in X2 with The Drakes, the films really failed to show regular people being racist and hateful. It was all about the government and nazis, but there wasn't much in the way of the hatred of neighbors and families. The hate that I think would hurt the most on a personal level.) Back to Mr McCoy, seeing him deal with the assumptions of those around him that he's a mindless... well, "beast" as he struggles to prove his intelligence to people who see him only as a monster. Like the narrator of this video, I agree that he DEFINITELY shouldn't have been able to switch from human to blue at will, but I also think they should have waited to make him fuzzy until a later prequel film.
While i agree with most your points i have to say the reason young Beast can transform at will is explained by Hank taking the right dose but Professor X takes too much because he doesnt want to hear the voices anymore
They're just coming up with cheap reasons to trash the greatest superhero movie ever made. The comics made up many stupid excuses for this or that. But they never used those stupid MacGuffins to the great extent that they used Hanks serum
The problem is that the prequel interpretation of beast was just a werewolf who could perform flashy violence; and in the original X MEN trilogy, the "mutant rights" issue (which is really just a blatant metaphor for civil and human rights) had a huge presence in the story, and Beast was an important part and character in addressing this issue. Prequel Beast is just another example in modern movie making of spectacle and eye candy being favored over a real message
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Beast is conceptually the quintessential x-men character. A hulking feral looking creature who's actually a sensitive and brilliant person. It really needs a better big screen depiction.
Well him and Nightcrawler.
Except he is an asshole. Even worse than Magneto now days.
Until the comics ruined his character and made him essentially a mutant dictator.
@@chocov1233night crawler isn’t quite as intimidating tho
Kelsey Grammer's Beast was so fascinating because behind all that makeup and prosthetics and blue, you could see not just a person, but a smart, dignified human being that wasn't just smart, but more than anything, he was HUMAN. I think subsequent versions of Beast have failed at this (outside of animation of course, where he's always given his due, thankfully).
He's the true best representation of,beyond what's on the surface level ,lays the true character of a well distinguished gentleman,not afraid to fight for what's right,but always willing to talk and be diplomatic
It helps that he looks badass
This fact also does a lot of worldbuilding, because we never need an explanation for why Beast is very much the public face of mutants. He's inescapably a mutant, but can also overcome that - exactly who you want advocating for mutant rights.
Best is peaceful and reasonable. That aren't human qualities.
This is just why I love the x men in general. Behind the powers they’re all just people trying to forge their way through the world. All while trying to save the world that turned their back against them.
Kelsey grammar played the best Beast but the other actors portrayal dug deeper into his intelligence and his role as an inventor with the team. But agreed on Grammar.
Honestly I’m surprised Kelsey’s never been asked to voice Beast in an animated project he’s proven how great a voice actor he is he could easily reprise his role as Beast in a new animated show
I agree. His voice for Beast is great. Though he hasn't even had the chance to voice him since between 2013 and 2019 we didn't get the X-Men in anything but the 20th Century Fox movies, The Gifted, Legion (series), and the Marvel comic books, and even then it seems that they were downplaying mutants in the books and trying to replace them with Inhumans.
He recently voiced Beast at the end credit scene in the marvels check it out.
When i first heard about wolverine and the x-men i thought it was a sequel series to the last stand
Beast’s cameo was the best thing to come out of the Marvels.
I assume because both A he's rather expensive, and B theres not that many animated Xmen things especially in the last decade
Kelsey Grammer: the original Mr Beast.
Thats not a sentence Id never have imagined reading
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I think George Buza may disagree. Like Kevin Conroy was Batman, Buza was Beast.
@@Tuaron Great point
George Buza homie.
Kelsey Grammer was so great as Beast... I forgot he wasn't in X-1 or X-2.
that was definitely a shock i would have sworn he was in X2 at least. speaks to his impact.
@@bloodlinefilms I believe he cameos in X2 with a different actor as Hank McCoy on TV in the background. But it was before the blue fur
He had a cameo in X2 with a completely different actor.
@@androidsenpai1462rich already said that and you just like to repeat his statement 🙄
Kelsey Grammer was born to play Beast. I hope he continues being him. I know he showed up in The Marvels at the end. Hope he shows up in Deadpool and Wolverine
He did but it was cgi so it couldve been anyone at that point.
@@Ytomanyhis voice tho
@@YtomanyKelsey Grammer is older now though and may not anticipate to wear all the make up, as it can takes hours to put that stuff on.
@@jamesmalpus7371 He's 69 now. It might be a bit much for him to do all that Beast stuff these days.
@@jembozaba4864 Totally I’m happy with compromise
All the early live action blue mutants were far better than their later "prequel" versions imo.
That’s true actually!
Especially mystique.
JLaw was a garbage mystique
You guys are consistently sound childish and ignorant
Fassbender is the best Magneto IMO, young or old. McCoy is terrific as the young, naive and or broken Xavier
@@LukeLovesRose Commenter specified mutants with blue skin
I can never get over how good Kelsey Grammer Beast looks.
5:54 The dub: "Of course I can, I designed it."
What the actor actual said: "uhgh fhor I cunh, Ayenyuh huh."
Oh I hated the look on Beast in First Class
So, what you're saying is you need to ask your doctor to check your ears at your next visit?
@@godofthecripples1237 Do you know what a dub is? You know he didn't say that line you're hearing on set when they filmed? Please tell me you know that movies aren't real.
I like that Kelsey's version in last stand is one of these characters who have been allies of Charles for long before these movies ever took place. (until First Class of course)
Did u accidentally reverse the title lol?
I know right
the terrible beast is Nicholas Hoult in First Class and Days of Future Past
Did you watch the video at all
@@3346mikeynot really. I can see him being that way in his youth. Problem is they never moved away from it as the movies went on
Watch the vid, bud
Hank: “ My boy, I have been fighting for mutant rights since before you had claws”
Logan: “….. Did he just call me boy??”
My favorite line 😂
I don't think Hoult's Beast was bad at all. He's actually given a lot to do in the movies. Compared to other X-Men characters who're just there to showcase their powers and show little personality. He's significantly younger than Kelsey's Beast so he's not gonna mirror the traits of his older self. He was still growing. Its also important to note that First Class was a movie that had a very short production deadline. Yet it ended up being 1 of if not the best in the X-Men movie franchise. Matthew Vaughn doesn't get enough credit for it. They literally stole the credit from him when they robbed him of Days of Future Past and gave it to Bryan Singer. A movie that he spent a lot of time writing but was once again rushed out by the studio.
No, Hoult was fucking horrible. No charisma and completely boring. He was miscast.
Espero que el sea un buen Luthor @@thedestroyer2alltrolls411
True I really like both beast because they do a bunch of flps like they are doing a bottle fliping challenge
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 it's funny how wrong you are
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411can't always blame the actor
0:09 I love the way they did Beast’s makeup design in Singer’s trilogy. He’s handsome, blue, hairy, the makeup fits the face of the actor, he looks different from other blue characters. He’s in a suit and talks about Wolverine in diapers. It’s great.
I rly wish we spent more time with Kelsey as a politician. That's always been my favorite part of the character. Him as a fighter/doctor/pilote/engineer/chemist is just heh.
The reason why Beast can switch between forms is explained in DOFP, Beast explains that he uses enough of the serum to keep himself balanced, while Charles overdoes it and therefore loses his powers(plus during the finale of the film Beast injects himself with like 10 needles of the stuff and turns back to normal and doesn’t get detected by the sentinels, and since he didn’t do that without the serum it means he presumably has to take the serum every time he wants to go back to looking normal
Yea thats a slack reason its really due to the fact Nick was a huge actor at the time, and they wanted to show his face and pay less on makeup / cgi its just a lame reason and low brow im glad they did explain it tho but still
@@rockzen8050Nick was also dating J Law who got quite the ego after Hunger Games. Once she decided she didn't want to be in the makeup chair anymore he did the same. So they had to write around characters who EMBRACE their physical mutations because the actors wanted more face time
@@richborn6700 So damn true she was more of the reason , im positive once she started to DIva her way into changing the makeup needs, they felt bad and like they might be wasting time doing Nick up in full makeup and cgi she really is a basic mid actor
@@rockzen8050yes
@@richborn6700that wasn't as important
I cant picture Hoult's Beast becoming someone who says "oh my stars and stripes". You dont just _become_ a person who talks like that, not without joining a cult or something
"oh my Stars and Garters"
Kelsey Grammer is such a good actor with amazing range. It's been a while and I forgot how good his Beast character was
I always loved the scene where Beast resigns when talking to the President. It’s very quick and could have been removed. But I love his manner of resigning. “What happened on that convoy was inexcusable.” Referring to the “cure” being used in a gun. He’s so steadfast in his beliefs and I love that about him.
Kelsey grammars was perfect. Im picky about beast bc hes my favorite xmen. His first scene is on point, and i LOVE his job in the movie bc its just perfect for him. I dont want people to focus on him too much, but he is a perfect supporting character
Ikr like what better way to introduce him than reading while hanging upside down?
I never disliked Nicolas Hoult’s Beast, I never liked the more Wolfman look they gave him, but the character was good.
Yes I do much prefer Kelsey Grammer’s & I’m really happy he’s back in the role.
I agree
Honestly I wasn’t sure how to feel about how he acted after raven was killed in dark phoenix. Comic Beast would almost never go all bloodthirsty in a blink of an eye but at the same time he’s much younger in the dark phoenix period so many it’s more angst?
@@bruhbruhin_a_sling7775 we also never saw Kelsey Grammars version see someone close to them die I don’t think
Beast is one of my least favorite X-men; that being said Kelsey's Beast is the best Beast we'll ever get; He's dignified, smart, and classy.
When I saw that steaming 💩called The Last Stand, Kelsey Grammar's Beast was the shining light, I was like... goddamn, that's PERFECT casting
I love Kelsey Grammar. He's always been one of my favorite actors since i was a kid and my mom and stepdad were watching Cheers at dinner. I miss you both.
Kelsey Grammer as Beast is right up there with Mark Strong as Sinestro in Green Lantern. Perfect casting and some of the best screen adaptations of comic book characters on a live screen wasted on a lackluster film.
Hoult was the runner-up to Pattinson to be the latest Batman. That would've been way better casting than Hoult as Beast, or Luthor, for that matter. Also, how the hell is Kelsey Grammer only 69?? He's been middle-aged since I was freaking born, and I'm 40.
Honestly, I believe Holt is a amazing cast for a young Lex Luthor
Are you serious? I cannot see Holly as Batman in any way shape or form. He’s too wimpy. Hell, even Lex is a stretch.
@@a_fine_edition2746is ya serious 😂 hoult is the perfect height and isn’t wimpy rn as we speak he’s literally going to be perfect as Lex and the acting will be the best part about him because we’ve seen how diverse he can be.
@@a_fine_edition2746it’s like you seen one of his wimpy roles and thought that was him in every movie
Hoult would have been a decent Riddler but they picked the creepier of the two actors. Even tho I loved Klitz in Girl Next Door
Kelsey Grammar as Beast was truly inspired casting
AVI ARAD has ruined so far...
* Daredevil (2003)
* The Punisher (2004)
* Elektra (2005)
* Fantastic Four (2005)
* X-Men: The Last Stand
* Spider-Man 3
* Bratz (2007)
* Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
* The Amazing Spider-Man 2
* Ghost in the Shell (2017)
* Venom: Let There Be Carnage
* Uncharted (2022)
* Morbius
And now he's gonna ruin...
* Borderlands
* Kraven the Hunter
* The Legend of Zelda movie
* Naruto
As long Arad lives, there's no hope
I wish I could fuck up this much at my job and not get fired for it
I think those films all had bigger problems than the one producer, hell, he wasn't even executive producer on most of them.
@@mdstevens0612 Agreed the biggest culprits on that list is SONY and FOX
Careful, you're sounding like what's called "toxic fandom" or "anti-fans".
What was so bad about Fantastic Four to the point of ruin? 🤔
Met this guy last weekend, on a night out in Stockwell. Can honestly say he's a lovely, friendly, down to earth fella. Wish you the best of luck with your channel mate. Top man.
Is this Rupert? Was great to chat man, you’re a great guy! Thanks for checking out the channel
@@FullFatVideos Certainly is dude, great meeting you man. You're posting quality content mate. Drop me a message on here sometime, we'll go for a beer. All the best mate
Comparing Beast from Dark Phoenix to American Werewolf in London is absurd 💀 guy looks like teen wolf, not a hellhound
the head turn when he said “screen writer david hayter”
The rumours are Marvel is developing an X-Men movie set in the universe that we see at the end of The Marvels, so presumably that’s when we’ll see Kelsey Grammer back as Beast.
As cool as that sounds, I think it's going to be a new cast of actors as the MCU X-Men, with legacy actors like Grammer, Jackman, and Stewart from the FOX movies only appearing in Secret Wars and maybe Deadpool and Wolverine.
@@gabrielestrella2272They're not allowed to recast the X-Men until 2027 though. They need some contracts to expire.
@@karimion2157actually it's 2025 that's set to expire
@@Shahriyararin63 Nope. 27.
@@karimion2157all that wait time is really going to cool off the hype for X-Mens return. '97 reignited the passion but waiting three years for casting and probably another two for an actual film release? That's like 2029 and a full decade since the last X-Men film. It's a real bummer
I think one of the best/most underrated aspects about Kelsey’s beast is how intimidating he is. Like I know the makeup/prosthetics most likely added some bulk to him but I feel we should appreciate the fact that you 100% believe that Kelsey grammer, a man who’s most iconic role was a pompous neurotic radio psychiatrist, could totally break you in half if he felt like it
I've been rewatching the xmen series with my newcomer boyfriend and these films have aged fantastically for the most part. Watching a marvel film that's not the mundane 'MCU style' is so refreshing
1:28 I love how it’s ‘Screenwriter David Hayter’ as if it’s not his most famous accomplishment
What about
The problem with the X-Men transferring to the MCU tho is that god forbidden scene in Multiverse of Madness where Scarlet Witch no diffs the illuminati. Makes me not even care about any potential X-Men, Fantastic Four, or Inhumans connections because their leaders got punked and looked weak asf. Yeah it was done to make Scarlet Witch look unstoppable but when none of those characters had any presence before that scene it's all we have and our first memory will be them getting shit on. It's the problem with Kang now, he's supposed to be the next big bad but he has no aura since Antman beat him up and Loki cucked him having his only power. Maybe it's just me, but these factors matter
Just because those versions lost doesn't mean future versions will. Pedro Pascal's Reed is not going to be John Krasinski's Reed.
@@anthonyvillanueva5226 I didn't know they'd have different casting, if that's the case then what I said isn't as valid. But it's still a bad way to start off
I agree with you, but i knew the Illuminati was going to be done wrong ...i mean did you read Civil war? the movie is dog trashhh compared to the comic and i refuse to even say its mid its low tier, should have been called Tony vs Cap civil war in comics was a huge deal people died , hugely effected Spiderman in that he tells the public his Identity and Aunt may gets dogged on by a bunch of baddies civil war film did what the Multiverse of madness did to illuminati
Exactly. One of many reasons why I hated that dr strange movie and mcu in general
Scarlett witch is trash . In the comics she would get destroyed by all the illlumati. Even Charles could one shot her.
Mcu is just terrible at this point. With its political correctness
@@jasontodd1896 "with its political correctness" oh brother here we go....
I didn't really mind Nicholas Hoult's Beast and it kinda shows alot of growth with Beast throughout the years finally coming to grips of who he is and embracing himself as a mutant and I think he was just shell-shocked with the boy with the cure tbh
Agreed. But most of these people will not give these movies that much credible. They wont even acknowledge when these movies are great or even fantastic like Logan and Days of Future Past. They consistently sound like ignorant bigots about these movies
Fun Fact: the screenwriter for the original X-Men movie, David Hayter is the VO for Snake in the Metal Gear games
in regards to First Class, I think it got down to time. Mathew Vaughn and co only had only 9 months to get the whole project done so i wouldn't be surprised if some of the turned out to be rushed.
1:29 excellent choice snake
My favourite X Men character by a long way. Kelsey Grammer is and always will be the definitive Beast
Love the Kelsey grammar appreciation! Rare to see anyone say anything about him positive or negative! And that’s a good thing ! Definitely a great casting and design. However I had nothing against Holt either but I can see the criticism in his facial prosthetics. There was too much going on . Too cat like , like he should be on avatar
Sorry, but Hoult just simply sucked. He looks nothing like the character and has no charisma. One of the most boring actors ever. Kelsey Grammer is far superior in every possible aspect.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 I respect your oppinion but I feel differently no need to be sorry 💯 sure grammer is superior I wasn’t saying he wasn’t . But I enjoyed both . That’s all
Anyone else painfully aware of how the speaker draws out the ending of the last word in his sentences? I loved the part where beast is whipping around and kicking people 😂 good edits
Got an advertisement right at 3:51 when Iceman headbutts Pyro.
Your comment popped up the moment that happened lol
that leaked beast/wolverine horror script sounded badass
I always loved the ice man and pyro scene, Bobby was still young and didn't know his potential, until in the fight.
1:27 - Yes. That David Hayter. "Kept you waitin', huh?" - Solid Snake/Old Snake, Iroquois Pliskin, Naked Snake/Big Boss.
David Hayter also voiced Captain America in the 1990s Marvel Animated Universe show Spider-Man: The Animated Series and The Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes in the game Marvel Heroes, he also had a cameo in 20th Century Fox's first X-Men film and wrote a script for a Black Widow movie that he was going to direct too, but sadly it never got made :^(.
Now as for the topic of the video, Nicholas Holt could have been amazing as Beast for he is a spectacular actor (similar to Miles Teller in Fant4stic 2015) but it seems that Brian Singer didn't seem to understand that his characterization in X-Men First Class was just how he was when he was a young man and he should have already been more like The Last Stand Beast by the time Days of Future Past takes place. Kelsey Grammer Beast is great, one of the best parts of the film.
I love both Grammer and Holt Versions of Beast but I will admit that Grammer is Full to Perfection as Beast and honestly I came to loathe Actors showing their Faces instead of keeping the Mask, Make Up, or CGI Faces to portray the Characters out of the Page.
The scene in x3 where Beast meets Leech is incredible, and kelsey grammer nails it. You can tell it took Hank a long time and a lot of soul-searching to come to terms with his mutation, and hes probably wished many times that he could just be human, and seeing his own non-blue, non-furry hand just brings it all back. He manages to hold it together infront of the kid, but by the time he gets back to the doctor, he's visibly shaken. Amazing scene
I never quite understood the nature of the prequel Xmen series, in the sense that over 2-and-a-half decades seem to pass between First Class and Dark Phoenix, and yet none of the og x-men from First Class seem to really age in any significant way.
Holt especially still looks like a bloke in his mid-to-late 20s when he's supposed to be well into his 40s by the time Dark Phoenix starts.
For some bizarre reason the writers just decided it didn't matter.
That deleted scene when Beast recites Shakespeare is probably better than any of the new trilogy beast, he was played well by Nicolas Hoult, but the character was written with just the basics of the character and no flavour also the design was too werewolf, which worked ok when it was set in the 70's but not that well in the other movies
My problem with hoult's portrayal is that it isn't beast at all. And hoult could be beast, he's an amazing actor, but they didn't make hoult beast. Kelsey grammar is the best live action beast
But he lacks charisma and doesn’t even resemble Hank nor Beast. Kelsey Grammer is better in every way.
I always imagine the Beast Nicolas Hoult portrayed was still in his beginnings. He was discovering himself and the change through which he went. He felt awkward and WAS awkward.Grammer's beast was mature and grounded. He knew how to play with his skills and felt, in fact, that he was used to being beast. That's why it seemed natural. I think it's a fair sequence to development of the character and is the natural course of how things should go. If you think of it that way, It'll give you peace, I'm sure.
I am not kidding when i say that Kelsey Grammer as Beast is one of the best comic book castings of all time, he is seriously underrated
Oh man I’m loving the energy you’ve got in the most recent vids, your last one was a smash hit, x men content seems to treat you well and I’m so ready for more the boys videos
Nicholas Hoult's Beast was pretty weird and cat-like, but it still looks better then the CGI monstrosity in The Marvels' post-credit scene.
I mean Beast was in Cat form during that time and looked pretty good depending on artist and let there be more to "I keep becoming more monsterous"
He looks great now honestly, it's the best he's ever looked, in the older films he literally looked as if he had on makeup.
5:56 This always stood out. Just designing a plane doesn’t mean you can fly it, similarly to knowing how to create guns won’t make you proficient in firearm combat.
That Fear the beast movie was just an adoption of a Hulk comic but replaced Bruce with Beast.
Lol i like how he said david hayter the guy who is snake in metalgearsolid😅
When beast's form was revealed in First Class, i couldn't help but laugh.
Mf looks like a dr suess character.
The best part of the casting is that Beast in the 90s X-Men cartoon and Dr. Frasier Crane in Frasier are so similar in characterization.
kelsey grammer was pretty much spot on imo
8:16 you’re… you’re so right… he DOES look like an old Hollywood werewolf lol
Um... American werewolf in London looks like a dog
James Holt looks like the wolf man
I kind of liked beast from the “prequels” i really liked the casting and all and thought it went well, i think they were just kind of restricted on what they could do when the last stand did stuff with him. I also thought that it would make more sense if they gave a reason on why he was so close to Xavier, like had a scene where Xavier did something to make himself important for beast
Kelsey Grammer’s beast was my favourite growing up, and I was always disappointed when he wasn’t in any of the new films.
Agree. Last Stand Beast was great. Sad that we didn't get more from him.
I would’ve bloody loved to see a beast solo film, maybe an unpopular opinion but he’s always been one of my favourite comic book characters
couldn’t agree more, Kelsey is beast! Perfect casting.
"Screenwriter David Hayter," AKA Solid fucking Snake
The man!
Solid snake on screen writing
Younger Beast should have had the exact same personality as Kelsey Grammer's older Beast. Some people don't take decades to figure themselves out.
Young beast could easily work coming off as a learned old scientist, in fact it would be fresh.
He'd just be an old soul who reads a lot and enjoys the classics and philosophy, at 20 years old.
Did you have the same personality as your younger self with the same experience?
@@itsDjjayyArt Same personality, not same experience. But I don't claim to represent everyone else's evolution.
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Kelsey Grammer will always be beast in my heart. It was one of the few X-Men characters that I think did justice of the 90s cartoon show when it comes to beast act physically not as physically muscular.
But I also think that might’ve been because of Kelsey playing Zozi in Bartok the magnificent because a possible hero is such a good song. I wish it was longer.
Think you messed the title up lol
I think you haven’t finished the video lol
You know if they were going to have Henry in The Marvels look like how he did, they should have just stuck with the makeup and prosthetics. If they were going to make him CGI, they should have given him a design that required it.
Like have him look like a slightly buffer version of his X-Men Evolution self, my favorite look for Beast in his ape form.
Kelsey Grammer was an amazing cast for Beast. Glad he returned to in the MCU and hopefully in Secret Wars
im so glad we got the beast in the mcu that looks exactly like the one from the animated show. it looks so good and hopefully the cgi becomes a bit more realistic too
If anyone else is a metal gear solid nerd like me and was wondering, when he mentions the screenwriter for the X-men movie being “David Hayter” he is in fact talking about the same David Hayter who did the voice of solid snake in almost every American version of the metal gear solid games. As soon as I heard the name I instantly went to google to find out if it was the same guy.
The one missed opportunity was that upside-down reading shot. They should have utilized gravity to give him the giant hair wingers (at least for that moment).
Considering Marvel Studios brough back Kelsey Grammar as Beast in a certain Marvel movie credits scene i think he is the best Beast we have gotten so far.
1:27 Solid Snake admitted that it became lame and then went onenof the most beloved actors in video game history, right after Kickstarting superhero movies as a trend. Fucking legend David.
Kelsey Grammer was willing to don the make-up again, but it wasn't feasable for such a short scene. He said he would wear the makeup for future appearances
That’s even weirder! He’ll look like a different character
@@FullFatVideos No more so that Bruce Banner between Incredible Hulk and Avengers
Him being in human form is supposed to be technology that creates an illusion to make him look human, this is from the comics
The wirework on beast was actually fantastic, he actually looked like he had gravity when he did far jumps and tackles, a lot of the time people just end up looking like they float.
Yeah it was fantastic, wish we had seen him in more movies like that
When I just read the title, my first thought was: What!?! Kelsey Grammer was about as perfect a live action Beast as is possible. Then I remembered, oh right, there was the other one, nvm 😅
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer
But for THE LAST STAND, he decided to step in as the main producer
That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
It was rushed into production way before the script became a coherent whole so they slapped together two story variants and went along after Singer dropped out while Ratner was the yes man all the time
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#IBlameAviArad
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Plus, there was Arad's desire to use the movie as a toy commercial
Your problem with complaining out him taking a serum to get the hair and beastly appearance is that the method, albeit not the timing, is actually comic book canon. It happened in 1972's Amazing Adventures #11.
Nicholas Hoult's not even a bad actor and i actually liked him in first class for the first part of it but they just made his character get worse later on in that movie and especially in days of future past which is a movie i can't enjoy because of his, mystique's, and magneto's writing in that movie were all frustrating
First class explanation about the cure accidentally enhancing the mutation makes sense because if the viral is meant to destroy a systematic aspect the system will either die or advance past the virus.
Beast always been one of those characters that never made me really like him because he was basically the blue gorilla man that gets captured by humans in most adaptations.
In live-action Beast is a much cooler and actually more interesting than other bigger characters because he's much more than his looks. He feels heavy but agile, strong but swift and with a deep but calming voice, which Kelsey Grammer nailed 100%. He had the body size and the acting, just perfect on the role.
I'd love if they'd made the solo Beast movie with him. I know they'd probably recast him because he hated the makeup, but it would mean a lot to see him back with it instead of CGI.
Another great video, but just to clarify the DOFP topic of why Beast can transform into either form without extra medicine is he does say to Wolverine that he takes enough to keep him balanced but Charles takes too much. And he says this while we watch Charles shoot himself up with the syringe of the medicine like an addict. So, that is why Hoult can transform from blue beast to his human form and back again. And when he needed to transform back immediately when being targeted by one of the Sentinels in the end, he shoots himself up with like 6 syringes for immediate effect. Other than that small point, again, great video!
There was no way he was going beat Grammer's impeccable work anyway.
True!
6:05, The biggest justification for Cat Beast is this more animalistic look kind of pairs well with this earlier Hank on a thematic level. This is the monster Hank sees himself as, and with his continued usages of serums and his growth towards accepting the affects of his mutant condition on his appearance, not only is he able to switch between his bestial and human form at will, but his bestial form also becomes less animalistic, less monstrous.
10:28, Of course, the various continuity issues with this franchise that essentially make each of its post-Last Stand installments their own separate continuities means Nicholas Hoult’s Hank doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with Kelsey Grammer’s Hank beyond Days Of Future Past’s epilogue, meaning attempting to connect his past iterations to the one in Last Stand wouldn’t really work either way.
Beast was looking like Blanka when he was spinning off that post lol
I don't think the actor they got for young beast was even the right body shape. I always imagined pre-blue Beast as far stockier. They also failed to really convey the size of his feet, much less his hands. His feet should have been so big he couldn't wear shoes and his hands so large he had issues handling small things like books and pens/pencils. He should have had a LOT more body hair too. All of this would have better gone towards the assumptions he has to deal with that he is unintelligent, particularly from anti-mutant racists. (I felt that other than the bar scene in the first film and the scene in X2 with The Drakes, the films really failed to show regular people being racist and hateful. It was all about the government and nazis, but there wasn't much in the way of the hatred of neighbors and families. The hate that I think would hurt the most on a personal level.) Back to Mr McCoy, seeing him deal with the assumptions of those around him that he's a mindless... well, "beast" as he struggles to prove his intelligence to people who see him only as a monster. Like the narrator of this video, I agree that he DEFINITELY shouldn't have been able to switch from human to blue at will, but I also think they should have waited to make him fuzzy until a later prequel film.
that my boy line had every comic fan laughing at the irony and every not comic fan wondering wtf why are they laughing
I want Matt Berry to play beast in the MCU
Can you hear me Clem Fandango!
Wait….SOLID SNAKE was the screenwriter???
yeah!!!!!
While i agree with most your points i have to say the reason young Beast can transform at will is explained by Hank taking the right dose but Professor X takes too much because he doesnt want to hear the voices anymore
But it doesn’t make sense to me because why wouldn’t he take enough to walk but still be able to switch his powers on at all like Hank does
They're just coming up with cheap reasons to trash the greatest superhero movie ever made. The comics made up many stupid excuses for this or that. But they never used those stupid MacGuffins to the great extent that they used Hanks serum
@@FullFatVideos C'mon dude, like subtext? He's repressing his identity. That's the whole bloody point.
Kelsey played the HECK out of beast! And was beautiful! ❤
The problem is that the prequel interpretation of beast was just a werewolf who could perform flashy violence; and in the original X MEN trilogy, the "mutant rights" issue (which is really just a blatant metaphor for civil and human rights) had a huge presence in the story, and Beast was an important part and character in addressing this issue.
Prequel Beast is just another example in modern movie making of spectacle and eye candy being favored over a real message