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@@yoboyyoyoboy Not while he's controlling the flame, if Johnny shot at him from multiple direction and caught him off guard than yes like any other person Pyro can get burned.
Yeah I don't think he knows enough about pyro or what goes down in the comics between these two, unfortunately. I also was unaware when I watched deadpool vs wolverine. While understandable, it's troublesome to formulate opinions and ideas if we base our understanding solely on films, whether it's the old X-Men films or the MCU. He's relying too much on what he saw in the og films and not enough comic book knowledge about pyro or the times pyro and torch actually crossed paths
I still stand by my assertion that “Don’t even think about it” “Never do” Is one of the best and most succinct summaries of a marvel character I have ever seen, that quippy response then leaping off the Baxter Building before yelling his signature catch phrase and bursting into flame, chef’s kiss, sheer perfection
I finally watched D+W last weekend, I appreciated the way it was set up to be cap; Deadpool's reaction to hearing his voice, the 'super hero landing' then Deadpool's confusion when it turns out to be the Human Torch. I'm 41, so I knew Evans as Johnny first, but the majority of younger moviegoers only know him as Cap. Although I didn't like how he died so quickly, Deadpool 'getting him killed' & the budget joke, not to mention Logan/Wolverine being angry at Deadpool about it was great, then, of course, the post-credit scene clears Deadpool's name; the BEST part of the PC scene was Evans letting his Boston Accent drop, another thing younger moviegoers typically don't know about Evans.
It makes it easier for me to think he’s just a variant of 2005/2007 Johnny rather than being THE one we followed through those two films. Also that Johnny lost to Pyro because life in The Void is a struggle and he’s not at his peak leaving it easier for Pyro to beat him.
I wouldn't say Torch was nerfed, him being beat by Pyro was bound to happen. It's not about power, it's just a matter of logic. Torch generates fire, Pyro controls fire. Simple as that. He would never win. Now, in terms of honoring the character, who deserved better than a quick death joke, yeah, they messed up on that. Just like Sabretooth, got tossed away in one shot, just pointless really. It's exactly what people didn't want. There's literally a video to pay tribute to the actors and all of their work, but the only ones getting honored really are Wesley Snipes (who wasn't even part of Fox Marvel), Jennifer Garner (which was nice), Dafne Keen (very nice) and Hugh Jackman (obviously). I honestly think they should've switched Gambit with Torch. Gambit becomes friends with Deadpool, Sabretooth knocks him out and he blows everything up to get Wolverine and Deadpool free from Cassandra. Keep Torch as the mysterious member until he shows up to help as the secret weapon against Cassandra, where Pyro still beats Torch, but one of the others knocks Pyro out. He shows up last posing staring at Deadpool and Wolverine jumping through the portal. Done. They could've done a much better job with the character, even if he was only to show up for one scene to keep it under budget. Everyone wants to see Chris back, both as Captain America AND as Human Torch, so this can't be the last we see of him.
The only good moment in Fant4stic is the scene after the accident when we're seeing their powers. I actually like that it was presented as outright body horror. In a different movie, that scene could have really been the linchpin behind Reed's comic book obsession with curing them. The comics have never given an adequate reason WHY Reed wants to cure them early on. After a while the powers are necessary to defend the family. Reed coming to terms with that fact, and the fact that is also his fault, could give some amazing depth to Reed if the FF manage to get more than 2 movies in.
If you read the first issue of FF it is.. They have no control The beautiful girl is invisible The red hot lover boy can't touch or be touched The genius is a wet noodle The hansome war hro.is a rock monster. It's all because Reed wanted a shot at the hot girl and was over confident of himself...and he turned himself and his friends into freaks Quite a few of the first issues of the Marvel characters would be Twilight Zone episodes in isolation
the more I think about the 2000's FF the more i realise "there really fun" they may not be great, but there fun and thats a pretty good position to be in all things considered
I've seen a lot of people say that they nerfed the human torch, but as far as I can tell, Pyro is literally the perfect counter for the human torch. That said I woul've expected torch's sheer firepower to be incredibly difficult to manage. I would've thought that the two would basically lock each other into a stalemate. That's the joke I was expecting, for the two of them to be just in the background having an intense staredown but unable to actually contribute much else.
I'm not a fan of the trope of "killing a character off in an unexpectedly-sudden way for gags". They did it with Sabretooth as well, and whenever it happens, I almost never laugh or find it interesting. It's just -- "oh, look, my expectations have been subverted". Sometimes, characters are killed off quickly and unceremoniously, but it's done in a serious manner -- look at how the mutants get killed off in the beginning of Days of Future past. Colossus gets his arm ripped off, and Bobby gets his head snapped off and crushed. These are all sudden and surprising, but it's done with some weight, to show off how dire the situation is, and how dangerous these Sentinels are. When it's done for a gag, though, it's all the "subversion" without the flavor. It's just "ahahah, Sabretooth got killed in one hit" -- and that's that. Same thing with Johnny here. I don't know the canon "rules" of everyone's powers, but I'm pretty sure that Pyro wouldn't be able to suck the fire out of Johnny like he's a tank of propane.
@@jacobway468yet completely contradicts the fact that every time sabertooth fought Wolverine in X-men 2000 he won Hell Wolverine is not the one who beats sabertooth in that movie it’s cyclops he laser sabertooth knocking him down to a boat if he’s strong enough to beat 2000s Wolverine then he can beat the worst Wolverine this is supposedly 2000s X-men sabertooth same costume and he’s played by Tyler mane
I get what youre saying but Pyro's ability is control over fire, whereas the Torch's power is *creating* fire and flying. If it were established that Pyro couldnt control supernova level temperatures, I'd agree with you. maybe Torch couldnt go supernova anyway as he was weak from living as a scavenger...?
@@I.G.S.A.N.A.G.M like a flamethrower, the torch works better with range attacks. Although it would have been cool to see Johnny's flames go out only for him to resort to H2H fighting instead (showing he's not dependant on fire)
I was fine with how the Torch was treated: Evans likely wasn't cheap so I figured they weren't gonna get a lotta mileage out of his character here. It was good to see him again, but he didn't overstay his welcome. The one that I'm upset about (and that may be putting it too strongly) is Sabretooth. Sorry, but that should've been an actual fight scene and not a two-second gag. I'm fine with Wolverine winning, but, being a huge fan of the character, there absolutely should've been more to it. The worst part is that was right around the part where Johnny got beat so you had two irrelevant non-fights within minutes of each other. Honestly, I'd rather Sabretooth not have been there at all instead of what happened.
I feel it was more an attempt to poke fun at the idea of matchups. Human Torch loses to Pyro. Wolverine really really should have decapitated Sabretooth at some point, something I know I thought about after seeing their long term rivalry/hatred. It was how the matchup really should have gone, but it does put some development on Wolverine, not wanting to kill Sabretooth and presumably having chosen to not kill him. Unfortunately the one we see in the film just has no chill and Sabretooth probably had a hand in the destruction of his world's X Institute, so it was time to take the gloves off.
@@CrysJaL I can certainly see all that, but, at the same time, it just shouldn't be that easy, regardless of if Wolvie'd just had enough. As presented, it basically says that Sabretooth never should've been a match for Wolverine, which simply isn't true (despite what X-Men Origins would have us think). All told, the movie wasn't about the pair, and I was fine with Wolverine killing him (it's happened a couple times in the comics at this point). It should've just been treated as a little bit more than a redundant joke. I know that sounds weird in regards to a Deadpool movie, but still.
FINALLY! I'm SO glad someone else feels the same way about how they treated Johnny! I was honestly a bit frustrated with how they treated him and was just baffled when everyone else talked about how funny it was like yeah it was...but if you switch Johnny out for Tobey's Peter, you'd have a VERY different reaction. I'm still holding out a bit of hope that the real FF comes out in Secret Wars cause yeah this was just an unfortunate outing
Human torch might be stronger than Pyro, but Pyro is literally a kryptonite to him, it's like rock paper scizzors, rock is OP, until he goes up against paper
@@trevorphilips9065 THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS!! His power is flaming on, Pyro's powers are controlling flames, in no scenario does Johnny come out on top
Maybe an unpopular opinion but the actor who played Dr. Doom in these films. Julian McMahon really just fucking cooked in every scene he was in. I really wish Marvel would have let him reprise the role for the MCU. He was a perfect Doom in an imperfect film.
It was so good seeing Human Torch again, but such a slap in the face when he got overpowered by Pyro... fucking PYRO?!?! Chris Evan's comedic chops are vastly underrated and recently, underused. Love to see him do more hilarious roles.
I understand being jarred but I'd agree with others. Pyro is just a perfect counter to him. He got unlucky (they needed to keep actor's time in the movie short so that's why he got unlucky)
@steelclackers2611 although it's a different human torch and a different pyro looking at the 2 on screen strength before this movie human torch could literally speed blizt him but that's why variants exist
I remember seeing a clip from Chris Evans’ panel at Last Year’s Chicago Fan Expo, where he talks about how he was going to be in then upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine. That made me excited to go see it in theaters. So when I saw Evans dawn the flaming blue jumpsuit again on the big screen, I like a million others who got to see Deadpool 3 on its opening premiere. .. was pumped with cheers.
He was killed off purely for a joke which admittedly was funny, and it did make sense within the movie, if you put the Human Torch against Pyro, a character who’s whole gimmick is manipulating Fire, yeah Johnny Storm ain’t winning that. But then again it’s really whoever the writer says wins.
I think Johnny would create more fire than pyro could control. Like yea, he would be able to control it at first, but over time johnny just creates more and more fire until it fully engulfs pyro, then turning the heat up to supernova. Also, yea pyro can control fire, but johnny basically is fire. He basically be immune to whatever fire pyro throws at him. Just how i see it going down.
I guess my question is how do you think Pyro would be able to hurt Johnny Storm, exactly? We've never seen evidence to show that Johnny can only produce a limited amount of fire.
I actually really like him being defeated by pyro. How specific abilities interact should have presedence over raw power. I think this makes things a lot more interesting and makes people fight more tactically.
In the movies they were in before deadpool human torch could just speed blizt but these are different variants of johhnny and pyro so any feats from either movie before hand are irrevant
If Josh Trank taught us anything, is that you can't go from a low-budget movie to a big-budget movie like Fant4stic You need to go from low to medium, and then from medium to big Is all about gaining credibility. You never know when a studio is gonna think they can control you. You need to show them that you know what you're doing better than them.
Silver Surfer was NOT perfectly adapted. They made the extremely confusing choice to have him be CGI when he's on his surf board which is fine, but then he changes to being a dude painted silver when he's separated from that surf board. He also starts dying the longer he's separated from it which is not how his powers work. When separated from his surf board he would simply revert back to a normal human with no powers at all. The other problem with Silver Surfer other than changing how his powers work is just the horrible way that his character was adapted. The movie made him a villain when he's not actually evil. Silver Surfer became that by making a deal with Galactis to save his home planet. His whole thing is that he goes around looking for uninhabited planets for Galactis to devour so that he's not killing millions of people. Meanwhile the Silver Surfer in this movie comes to Earth, sees the huge population and civilization and decides "Yeah this seems like a good planet for Galactis to devour." The whole movie them becomes trying to convince him that Earth is worth saving and they only manage to do that by saving his life when he was dying. You shouldn't have to convince Silver Surfer not to kill billions of people because that is literally the entire purpose of his deal with Galactis in the first place. Also Deadpool didn't nerf Johnny Storm. They made him fight Pyro from the X-Men. Think about it, Johnny Storm is a character who can create fire from his body and Pyro is a character who can control fire to do whatever he wants which means of course there is no possible way that Johnny Storm can fight Pyro.
To answer your question the only other flying scene I can think of that could match the Johnny vs silver surfer flight is the iron man f22 dogfight from the first movie. The way that scene is constructed with tony flying against those jets still has some of the best VFX work seen in the mcu to this day. Probably the best VFX work in the mcu if I’m being honest.
Having the multiverse open up allows us to have all these cameos but only time will tell whether Disney can pull it off .. as time goes on, you lose the ability to case some of the old guard due to age etc. Would love to see Ioan Gruffudd, Richard E Grant, Tobey Maguire, Wesley Snipes, Liev Schriber etc - some of the old guard back but also bring in some new bodies or newer iterations of characters Maybe we might see it in Secret Wars
It was great seeing him in the film. He's not nerfed though, when you learn about pyro and what he's capable of. Just a bad match up for torch. Pyro can manipulate fire so johnny was better off not transformed. The one thing he can manipulate lol. We can actually make an argument that pyro was nerfed if we consider his comic counterpart and feats
Pedro Pascal as Reed?? I love the man but I don't really think that's the role for him. They should've actually gone back to John Krazinski even though his original Reed was for the plot (and a joke). He looked perfect as Reed!
I love how they establish a multitude of reasons why Pyro would beat Torch here, yet everyone is ignoring them lol EDIT: I seriously do not know why everyone rags on Jennifer as Elektra 😭
It's the other heroes in X-Men comics effect, where writers nerf/stupify the non-mutant heroes in an x-man title if they happen ti show up. It happened with cap in x-men 97, it'll keep happening.
If you check the character's history, Johnny Storm also possesses pyrokinetic abilities, so it's unlikely he would've been defeated by Pyro, but anything for a joke, I guess.
Check his history? As in one-off times where writers buffed the character for the sake of their own story while it lasts? Human torch has never been consistently & regularly able to control fire like pyro can. His whole thing is that he *_specifically generates_* it using his body.
If you check the character’s history, you’d see that Pyro beat the Torch several times. Not only that but this whole discussion is irrelevant bc that isn’t even the DIRECT Johnny from the old movies, its another version. The failed version, might I add.
Human Torch wasn’t “Nerfed” he can create fire but Pyro controls fire the comics Pyro versus Human Torch, the same thing happens if it wasn’t for Spider-Man Johnny would’ve died.
Are people just forgetting better is a storyline about Pyro and johnny? With the story pyro had complete control over Johnny. Johnny was literally under his control and couldn't fight back or do anything! It was thanks to Spider-Man, that Johnny was able to get control and get pyro a powerful right hook! And as far as I saw and research that was the only "fight" that they ever had
I made this comment on the review video you did. I think it fits my excitement: I was so excited when I saw Chris Evans as Johnny Storm! I clapped and cheered. No one else didn't even cheer? I'm like the films were not that bad, gosh. I'm in my 20s, and kids who are kinda in the back behind me were so annoying. "Oh wow, that's not Cap it's that guy from the Fantastic Four wow" like without any excitement like you couldn't even get his name right lol. "That Guy," I don't get it, felt like they were just commenting even during the nice video at the end of the film. I made some shortouts When I saw Ben Grimm and the others but they couldn't shut up commenting the entire time gross. - Luke
He didn’t get nerfed. Pyro controls fire. Silver Surfer took him down with a choke and by removing his oxygen. Its both very hard and very easy to take Johnny out
@@petermj1098 The Thing could've done the same thing too, so it's not about Surfer being a cosmic tier threat (depending on continuity) but that he just happened to be resistant enough to Johnny to actually choke him out in flame form.
“We want the actual versions of the characters we know, not just their faces” despite the fact that the Wolverine in the movie is not the one we know like at all. It should’ve been the Wolverine from the timeline that didn’t end with Logan(either original trilogy timeline or DoFP timeline)
Australian man who has the ability to manipulate any form of fire face off against a guy who can just turn himself into fire and shoot it......i wonder why johnny stood no chance lmao.
I’d argue that because his suit is different he isn’t THE Johnny from those movies but one from a similar reality Same with the villains in no way home they can’t be the same villains from the original movies because of the mountain of continuity errors no way home creates (why can’t Sandman take human form anymore and If Norman being the goblin was all over the news how tf did Harry not know?) It’s the multiverse there are infinite versions of everything that’s the whole point.
GUY 🤨?? You're completely WRONG about these Stars being irreplaceable in the fictional characters..THERE'S MORE TO AN ACTOR'S Talent Than the comics 📚 characters they portray. Evans himself proved that!!
I don't think Downey is going to be playing Victor Von Doom. If I remember correctly, there is a comic book multiversal variant of Tony Stark that becomes Doctor Doom. Possibly due to some possession nonsense, but I do believe Downey is still mostly playing Tony Stark here.
I still think Invisible Woman is the most powerful member, even with the nova flame. Doctor Doom said it during the Mark Waid run, when the FF occupied Latveria and he took over Sue's body.
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He wasn't really nerfed because Pyro is basically Magneto with fire and what happened in the movie has actually happened in a Spider-Man comic.
Yeah but like wouldn’t the pure heat of his flames melt pyro? Pyro doesn’t have heat resistance but Johnny does
@@yoboyyoyoboy Not while he's controlling the flame, if Johnny shot at him from multiple direction and caught him off guard than yes like any other person Pyro can get burned.
@@ryanbobadilla2527 ah i see
Yeah I don't think he knows enough about pyro or what goes down in the comics between these two, unfortunately. I also was unaware when I watched deadpool vs wolverine. While understandable, it's troublesome to formulate opinions and ideas if we base our understanding solely on films, whether it's the old X-Men films or the MCU. He's relying too much on what he saw in the og films and not enough comic book knowledge about pyro or the times pyro and torch actually crossed paths
There are still ways to do it without making Jhonny look pathetic. Maybe have Pyro struggle to absorb all of the fire due to how hot it is.
We simply also do not give Ioan Griffudds Reed enough credit like i love that dude in everything i see him in
he was a perfect Reed
I wholeheartedly agree
@@FullFatVideosthey were all perfect
Great reed
He was literally the perfect reed, he even had he grey hair on the side 😭
I’m not even gonna lie. Galactus just being a huge eldritch cloud of evil and hunger is just insanely creepy.
I’ve never gotten the hate really, it’s cool
I still stand by my assertion that
“Don’t even think about it”
“Never do”
Is one of the best and most succinct summaries of a marvel character I have ever seen, that quippy response then leaping off the Baxter Building before yelling his signature catch phrase and bursting into flame, chef’s kiss, sheer perfection
If I were Storm I would've said "don't you DARE" because I know that sassy bitch would twist my words 🤣
I like that Captain America's battle cry is "Avengers, Assemble!" and the Fantastic Four's battle cry is "Johnny, NO!"
I finally watched D+W last weekend, I appreciated the way it was set up to be cap; Deadpool's reaction to hearing his voice, the 'super hero landing' then Deadpool's confusion when it turns out to be the Human Torch. I'm 41, so I knew Evans as Johnny first, but the majority of younger moviegoers only know him as Cap. Although I didn't like how he died so quickly, Deadpool 'getting him killed' & the budget joke, not to mention Logan/Wolverine being angry at Deadpool about it was great, then, of course, the post-credit scene clears Deadpool's name; the BEST part of the PC scene was Evans letting his Boston Accent drop, another thing younger moviegoers typically don't know about Evans.
It makes it easier for me to think he’s just a variant of 2005/2007 Johnny rather than being THE one we followed through those two films.
Also that Johnny lost to Pyro because life in The Void is a struggle and he’s not at his peak leaving it easier for Pyro to beat him.
Pyro is straight up stronger
nah i just think pyro is a perfect counter for human torch, no matter how powerful he is, he can’t face pyro
No, he lost to pyro because pryo controls fire, and Johnny is like made of fire in that form. How are people this stupid?
I mean, if you see a guy both not being affected by your powers but outright absorbing them, why the fuck don't you stop? Johnny was dumb.
@@GlitteredUp4EasterFORREAL, WHAT IS THIS COPE???
Nic Cage Ghost Rider would've been bloody incredible, but if you have him and Storm... There is no fight.
I wouldn't say Torch was nerfed, him being beat by Pyro was bound to happen. It's not about power, it's just a matter of logic. Torch generates fire, Pyro controls fire. Simple as that. He would never win.
Now, in terms of honoring the character, who deserved better than a quick death joke, yeah, they messed up on that. Just like Sabretooth, got tossed away in one shot, just pointless really. It's exactly what people didn't want. There's literally a video to pay tribute to the actors and all of their work, but the only ones getting honored really are Wesley Snipes (who wasn't even part of Fox Marvel), Jennifer Garner (which was nice), Dafne Keen (very nice) and Hugh Jackman (obviously).
I honestly think they should've switched Gambit with Torch. Gambit becomes friends with Deadpool, Sabretooth knocks him out and he blows everything up to get Wolverine and Deadpool free from Cassandra. Keep Torch as the mysterious member until he shows up to help as the secret weapon against Cassandra, where Pyro still beats Torch, but one of the others knocks Pyro out. He shows up last posing staring at Deadpool and Wolverine jumping through the portal. Done.
They could've done a much better job with the character, even if he was only to show up for one scene to keep it under budget. Everyone wants to see Chris back, both as Captain America AND as Human Torch, so this can't be the last we see of him.
Human Torch was Definently Nerfed , Thank you for covering this 🔥
hopefully he comes back in a better form for secret wars
Nah, Pyro got a buff
@@KyleHerbert13 thats what im sayin
Human Torch can create fire. Pyro controls fire. It doesn't matter how much fire Torch creates. If it's within Pyro's range, it's Pyro's fire.
@@mirrorzone5224exactly idk why this is so hard for people to understand
The only good moment in Fant4stic is the scene after the accident when we're seeing their powers. I actually like that it was presented as outright body horror. In a different movie, that scene could have really been the linchpin behind Reed's comic book obsession with curing them. The comics have never given an adequate reason WHY Reed wants to cure them early on. After a while the powers are necessary to defend the family. Reed coming to terms with that fact, and the fact that is also his fault, could give some amazing depth to Reed if the FF manage to get more than 2 movies in.
If you read the first issue of FF it is..
They have no control
The beautiful girl is invisible
The red hot lover boy can't touch or be touched
The genius is a wet noodle
The hansome war hro.is a rock monster.
It's all because Reed wanted a shot at the hot girl and was over confident of himself...and he turned himself and his friends into freaks
Quite a few of the first issues of the Marvel characters would be Twilight Zone episodes in isolation
the more I think about the 2000's FF the more i realise "there really fun" they may not be great, but there fun and thats a pretty good position to be in all things considered
I absolutely ADORE The Fantastic Four’s main theme. It’s so iconic and under rated.
I agree! Easier to hum and more memorable than it’s given credit for
The lighting in the video makes you look like a ghost
I've seen a lot of people say that they nerfed the human torch, but as far as I can tell, Pyro is literally the perfect counter for the human torch. That said I woul've expected torch's sheer firepower to be incredibly difficult to manage. I would've thought that the two would basically lock each other into a stalemate. That's the joke I was expecting, for the two of them to be just in the background having an intense staredown but unable to actually contribute much else.
That would have been funnier!
I'm not a fan of the trope of "killing a character off in an unexpectedly-sudden way for gags". They did it with Sabretooth as well, and whenever it happens, I almost never laugh or find it interesting. It's just -- "oh, look, my expectations have been subverted". Sometimes, characters are killed off quickly and unceremoniously, but it's done in a serious manner -- look at how the mutants get killed off in the beginning of Days of Future past. Colossus gets his arm ripped off, and Bobby gets his head snapped off and crushed. These are all sudden and surprising, but it's done with some weight, to show off how dire the situation is, and how dangerous these Sentinels are. When it's done for a gag, though, it's all the "subversion" without the flavor. It's just "ahahah, Sabretooth got killed in one hit" -- and that's that.
Same thing with Johnny here. I don't know the canon "rules" of everyone's powers, but I'm pretty sure that Pyro wouldn't be able to suck the fire out of Johnny like he's a tank of propane.
The sabretooth kill was to show how strong Wolverine is
@@jacobway468yet completely contradicts the fact that every time sabertooth fought Wolverine in X-men 2000 he won Hell Wolverine is not the one who beats sabertooth in that movie it’s cyclops he laser sabertooth knocking him down to a boat if he’s strong enough to beat 2000s Wolverine then he can beat the worst Wolverine this is supposedly 2000s X-men sabertooth same costume and he’s played by Tyler mane
@@jacobway468also they were hyping Wolverine vs sabertooth in trailers like it was gonna be a fight and not what we got in the movie
It hurt to see Johnny go out like that. Really hurt.
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I was disappointed with the cheap laugh of Pyro beating Johnny that easily. We all know Johnny would have overpowered him.
Well yeah. If human Torch charged at him. Pyro would be done with. But that was the wrong time to do long range attacks.
Yeah no. You just have no idea how their powers work.
@@echo_z319 Yeah I make them up in my head and write it in a comic. Nah just kidding.😂.
@@echo_z319 kid literally the human touch is pure fire he is inmune to fire... pyro can burn like you and me
@@blacky8987 kid, i know pyro can burn kid, doesnt change the fact he can control human torches flame kid
I blame AVI ARAD for the failure of the 2005s FANTASTIC FOUR movies
2005 directors cut is actually kinda good
theres a directors cut of FF 2005?
Avi Arad is responsible for a lot of failures within the 2000s Marvel movies. Still messing shit up today with the Sony movies.
@@jagrant9624
#IBlameAviArad
@zombiesnyder13 he really lives rent free in your head doesn’t he?
The only good thing to come out of Fant4stic is that Miles Teller is now perfect to play the Maker one day
I mean, even the Logan in the movie wasn’t even the original Logan, he was a variant, so this Johnny isn’t OG Johnny
I get what youre saying but Pyro's ability is control over fire, whereas the Torch's power is *creating* fire and flying. If it were established that Pyro couldnt control supernova level temperatures, I'd agree with you. maybe Torch couldnt go supernova anyway as he was weak from living as a scavenger...?
He should've charged at him.
@@I.G.S.A.N.A.G.M like a flamethrower, the torch works better with range attacks. Although it would have been cool to see Johnny's flames go out only for him to resort to H2H fighting instead (showing he's not dependant on fire)
This torch isn't the same from the movies so it's entirely possible this torch can't go super nova
@@nani4249 hows he not teh same?
@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Variants and the suit us different too.
I was fine with how the Torch was treated: Evans likely wasn't cheap so I figured they weren't gonna get a lotta mileage out of his character here. It was good to see him again, but he didn't overstay his welcome.
The one that I'm upset about (and that may be putting it too strongly) is Sabretooth. Sorry, but that should've been an actual fight scene and not a two-second gag. I'm fine with Wolverine winning, but, being a huge fan of the character, there absolutely should've been more to it.
The worst part is that was right around the part where Johnny got beat so you had two irrelevant non-fights within minutes of each other. Honestly, I'd rather Sabretooth not have been there at all instead of what happened.
I feel it was more an attempt to poke fun at the idea of matchups. Human Torch loses to Pyro. Wolverine really really should have decapitated Sabretooth at some point, something I know I thought about after seeing their long term rivalry/hatred. It was how the matchup really should have gone, but it does put some development on Wolverine, not wanting to kill Sabretooth and presumably having chosen to not kill him. Unfortunately the one we see in the film just has no chill and Sabretooth probably had a hand in the destruction of his world's X Institute, so it was time to take the gloves off.
@@CrysJaL I can certainly see all that, but, at the same time, it just shouldn't be that easy, regardless of if Wolvie'd just had enough.
As presented, it basically says that Sabretooth never should've been a match for Wolverine, which simply isn't true (despite what X-Men Origins would have us think).
All told, the movie wasn't about the pair, and I was fine with Wolverine killing him (it's happened a couple times in the comics at this point). It should've just been treated as a little bit more than a redundant joke. I know that sounds weird in regards to a Deadpool movie, but still.
Can’t he just be kidnapped by Professor X’s sister and then they save him and he joins the team at the end(
FINALLY! I'm SO glad someone else feels the same way about how they treated Johnny! I was honestly a bit frustrated with how they treated him and was just baffled when everyone else talked about how funny it was like yeah it was...but if you switch Johnny out for Tobey's Peter, you'd have a VERY different reaction. I'm still holding out a bit of hope that the real FF comes out in Secret Wars cause yeah this was just an unfortunate outing
I imagine they'll try to get both prior Reeds in for a Council of Reeds scene in future.
Human torch might be stronger than Pyro, but Pyro is literally a kryptonite to him, it's like rock paper scizzors, rock is OP, until he goes up against paper
I mean doesn’t make sense considering Johnny’s powers are above a mutants
@@trevorphilips9065since when was he above mutants?
@@xxcridonxx7614 Since his powers came from space
Exactly, but powerscaling logic has ruined who would win debates.
@@trevorphilips9065 THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS!! His power is flaming on, Pyro's powers are controlling flames, in no scenario does Johnny come out on top
Maybe an unpopular opinion but the actor who played Dr. Doom in these films. Julian McMahon really just fucking cooked in every scene he was in. I really wish Marvel would have let him reprise the role for the MCU. He was a perfect Doom in an imperfect film.
Chris Evans as Captain America is quite perfect, though it is a shame the character isn't more humorous because Chris is also SO FUNNY!!
It was so good seeing Human Torch again, but such a slap in the face when he got overpowered by Pyro... fucking PYRO?!?! Chris Evan's comedic chops are vastly underrated and recently, underused. Love to see him do more hilarious roles.
Pyro has beaten him in the comics though. His whole thing is manipulating fire so it's like paper beating rock
I understand being jarred but I'd agree with others. Pyro is just a perfect counter to him. He got unlucky (they needed to keep actor's time in the movie short so that's why he got unlucky)
@@tosutaa More like a Bic Lighter having an affect on the Sun
@steelclackers2611 although it's a different human torch and a different pyro looking at the 2 on screen strength before this movie human torch could literally speed blizt him but that's why variants exist
@@nani4249 i can agree with that 👌
I remember seeing a clip from Chris Evans’ panel at Last Year’s Chicago Fan Expo, where he talks about how he was going to be in then upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine.
That made me excited to go see it in theaters. So when I saw Evans dawn the flaming blue jumpsuit again on the big screen, I like a million others who got to see Deadpool 3 on its opening premiere. .. was pumped with cheers.
He was killed off purely for a joke which admittedly was funny, and it did make sense within the movie, if you put the Human Torch against Pyro, a character who’s whole gimmick is manipulating Fire, yeah Johnny Storm ain’t winning that.
But then again it’s really whoever the writer says wins.
Johnny Storm smokes Pyro 10 out of 10 times im sorry!
I think Johnny would create more fire than pyro could control. Like yea, he would be able to control it at first, but over time johnny just creates more and more fire until it fully engulfs pyro, then turning the heat up to supernova. Also, yea pyro can control fire, but johnny basically is fire. He basically be immune to whatever fire pyro throws at him. Just how i see it going down.
I guess my question is how do you think Pyro would be able to hurt Johnny Storm, exactly? We've never seen evidence to show that Johnny can only produce a limited amount of fire.
The joke wasn't really that funny.
@@FullFatVideos pyros beaten torch in the.comics
I actually really like him being defeated by pyro. How specific abilities interact should have presedence over raw power. I think this makes things a lot more interesting and makes people fight more tactically.
Yeah... No. Pyro has beaten Johnny in the comics. His WHOLE thing is he can manipulate fire. Johnny stands no chance. That's blatantly obvious.
How do people not get this? It's literally like saying someone made of metal should be able to beat magneto.
@@GlitteredUp4Easter yea true
In the movies they were in before deadpool human torch could just speed blizt but these are different variants of johhnny and pyro so any feats from either movie before hand are irrevant
If Josh Trank taught us anything, is that you can't go from a low-budget movie to a big-budget movie like Fant4stic
You need to go from low to medium, and then from medium to big
Is all about gaining credibility. You never know when a studio is gonna think they can control you. You need to show them that you know what you're doing better than them.
I really hope we finally get a faithful FF movie. I liked 2000's films for what they were but they didnt feel like the true FF movies we deserved.
I loved the 2000s Fantastic Four so much
I’m praying that the Johnny Storm in D&W is a variant, because I wanna see the original Fantastic Four return.
It literally is
Silver Surfer was NOT perfectly adapted. They made the extremely confusing choice to have him be CGI when he's on his surf board which is fine, but then he changes to being a dude painted silver when he's separated from that surf board. He also starts dying the longer he's separated from it which is not how his powers work. When separated from his surf board he would simply revert back to a normal human with no powers at all.
The other problem with Silver Surfer other than changing how his powers work is just the horrible way that his character was adapted. The movie made him a villain when he's not actually evil. Silver Surfer became that by making a deal with Galactis to save his home planet. His whole thing is that he goes around looking for uninhabited planets for Galactis to devour so that he's not killing millions of people. Meanwhile the Silver Surfer in this movie comes to Earth, sees the huge population and civilization and decides "Yeah this seems like a good planet for Galactis to devour." The whole movie them becomes trying to convince him that Earth is worth saving and they only manage to do that by saving his life when he was dying. You shouldn't have to convince Silver Surfer not to kill billions of people because that is literally the entire purpose of his deal with Galactis in the first place.
Also Deadpool didn't nerf Johnny Storm. They made him fight Pyro from the X-Men. Think about it, Johnny Storm is a character who can create fire from his body and Pyro is a character who can control fire to do whatever he wants which means of course there is no possible way that Johnny Storm can fight Pyro.
To answer your question the only other flying scene I can think of that could match the Johnny vs silver surfer flight is the iron man f22 dogfight from the first movie. The way that scene is constructed with tony flying against those jets still has some of the best VFX work seen in the mcu to this day. Probably the best VFX work in the mcu if I’m being honest.
When people say Ryan Reynolds is the only person who could play Deadpool I always bring up Sean William Scott. Dude would kill it.
Agreed, too bad he’s been blacklisted for years now
Having the multiverse open up allows us to have all these cameos but only time will tell whether Disney can pull it off .. as time goes on, you lose the ability to case some of the old guard due to age etc.
Would love to see Ioan Gruffudd, Richard E Grant, Tobey Maguire, Wesley Snipes, Liev Schriber etc - some of the old guard back but also bring in some new bodies or newer iterations of characters
Maybe we might see it in Secret Wars
Bro that other comment is right tho, Dr Fantastic’s OG Actor was peak.
It was great seeing him in the film. He's not nerfed though, when you learn about pyro and what he's capable of. Just a bad match up for torch. Pyro can manipulate fire so johnny was better off not transformed. The one thing he can manipulate lol. We can actually make an argument that pyro was nerfed if we consider his comic counterpart and feats
I didnt even know this was cow man because the cow is gone 😢😭
But the name is the same!
Pedro Pascal as Reed?? I love the man but I don't really think that's the role for him. They should've actually gone back to John Krazinski even though his original Reed was for the plot (and a joke). He looked perfect as Reed!
Chris Evans' portrayal of Lucas Lee is underappreciated, too.
Both the live action AND the anime.
I truly don’t believe the unreleased 90s F4 movie was that bad
To be fair, Johnny wasn't begging for his life; he was denying damning accusations.
He knew what was coming though
I don't think we needed a video about this tbh, but go off king
We did
Bro if they didn’t nerf most of these characters there wouldn’t movies 😂
Yeah... It felt like a suckerpunch to my childhood
Haha saw new icon and instantly thought Final Fantasy V
Rest in peace Full Fat Videos Cow! You will be missed from the profile pic spotlight
Wait a minute, you forgot the 1994 Fantastic Four Film. And do you plan on making a Colossus video
I love how they establish a multitude of reasons why Pyro would beat Torch here, yet everyone is ignoring them lol
EDIT: I seriously do not know why everyone rags on Jennifer as Elektra 😭
I love the 2000s era of marvel movies man
The new fantastic 4 casting - Invisible woman casting GOOD - the rest NOT SO GOOD
People take this movie too seriously, it’s a comedy
It's the other heroes in X-Men comics effect, where writers nerf/stupify the non-mutant heroes in an x-man title if they happen ti show up. It happened with cap in x-men 97, it'll keep happening.
Fan4stic could have been awesome if the studio didn’t screw it to hell
I think the most bothersome part is DP&W is supposed to be a love letter to that era of superhero movies.
But nah, ain't no love for Johnny.
Again I still don't believe that's the human Torch we know but a variant. Well hopefully.
15 min Cameo = 26 mins worth of video
I mean I went through 5 movies two of which he was a lead so yeah?
If you check the character's history, Johnny Storm also possesses pyrokinetic abilities, so it's unlikely he would've been defeated by Pyro, but anything for a joke, I guess.
Check his history? As in one-off times where writers buffed the character for the sake of their own story while it lasts? Human torch has never been consistently & regularly able to control fire like pyro can. His whole thing is that he *_specifically generates_* it using his body.
If you check the character’s history, you’d see that Pyro beat the Torch several times.
Not only that but this whole discussion is irrelevant bc that isn’t even the DIRECT Johnny from the old movies, its another version. The failed version, might I add.
@@silversoulken I was referring to the character from the source material, but that gets ignored since that requires reading.
Or maybe Pyro got buffed
Human Torch wasn’t “Nerfed” he can create fire but Pyro controls fire the comics Pyro versus Human Torch, the same thing happens if it wasn’t for Spider-Man Johnny would’ve died.
but a pyro johnny team up would be omega level
Are people just forgetting better is a storyline about Pyro and johnny? With the story pyro had complete control over Johnny. Johnny was literally under his control and couldn't fight back or do anything! It was thanks to Spider-Man, that Johnny was able to get control and get pyro a powerful right hook!
And as far as I saw and research that was the only "fight" that they ever had
I made this comment on the review video you did. I think it fits my excitement: I was so excited when I saw Chris Evans as Johnny Storm! I clapped and cheered. No one else didn't even cheer? I'm like the films were not that bad, gosh. I'm in my 20s, and kids who are kinda in the back behind me were so annoying. "Oh wow, that's not Cap it's that guy from the Fantastic Four wow" like without any excitement like you couldn't even get his name right lol. "That Guy," I don't get it, felt like they were just commenting even during the nice video at the end of the film. I made some shortouts When I saw Ben Grimm and the others but they couldn't shut up commenting the entire time gross. - Luke
I do wish they could've kept him around, but also if anyone could kill him it'd be Nova
I'm not looking forward to the new F4 and frankly Joseph's casting is one of the reasons for it.
He didn’t get nerfed. Pyro controls fire. Silver Surfer took him down with a choke and by removing his oxygen. Its both very hard and very easy to take Johnny out
You know how powerful Silver Surfer is right?
@@petermj1098 The Thing could've done the same thing too, so it's not about Surfer being a cosmic tier threat (depending on continuity) but that he just happened to be resistant enough to Johnny to actually choke him out in flame form.
Damn, that new channel art is horrendous. There's no character to it, bro.
Yup this sucks lmao and a bad opinion video to kick things off too
I’m pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I’d rather Johnny stayed than Electra 😭🙏🏿
Yeah I can't say I care about that variant whatsoever lol
Deadpool joked that they killed him to save budget 😂
It kind of looks like theres a haze over your camera
It's that type of 🤔 that keeps Hugh Jackman & Patrick Stewart in The Wolverine & Professor X characters!! Other Actors can play these characters!!
@@ThomasHenderson-c8e what part are you referring to
“We want the actual versions of the characters we know, not just their faces” despite the fact that the Wolverine in the movie is not the one we know like at all. It should’ve been the Wolverine from the timeline that didn’t end with Logan(either original trilogy timeline or DoFP timeline)
Sadly he approached cassandra nova not super nova. Much more lethal 😢
David Tennent as Reed Richards and Cilian Murphy as dr doom! How dare they not use my fan casting!!!
Cillian Murphy for Doom could still happen. Since RDJ Doom isn’t gonna be from the main MCU universe.
You forgot about reed Richards in Dr. Strange
Deadpool and Wolverine is NOT Deadpool 3, they've explicitly said as much.
Do you take titles so literally
Australian man who has the ability to manipulate any form of fire face off against a guy who can just turn himself into fire and shoot it......i wonder why johnny stood no chance lmao.
I’d argue that because his suit is different he isn’t THE Johnny from those movies but one from a similar reality
Same with the villains in no way home they can’t be the same villains from the original movies because of the mountain of continuity errors no way home creates (why can’t Sandman take human form anymore and If Norman being the goblin was all over the news how tf did Harry not know?)
It’s the multiverse there are infinite versions of everything that’s the whole point.
He wasn't nerfed, A, he was just a cameo, and B, he was up against Pyro, if anything he wasn't nerfed, he was outmatched.
Ya thats what im saying to
nice legos in background! pls show us your collection one day
Nerfed how? Pyro has literally controlled Johnny before in the comics.
GUY 🤨?? You're completely WRONG about these Stars being irreplaceable in the fictional characters..THERE'S MORE TO AN ACTOR'S Talent Than the comics 📚 characters they portray. Evans himself proved that!!
Being more powerful is not the point, wolverine is stronger the Katie but her power just wins by default, sometimes that’s just how it is
You forgot about sue and reeds kids Valeria a fricking genius and Franklin Richards galactus pimp
6:13 If the new film can't get this banter right, it's toasted.
Bro spoiled the exact fantastic four run that I’m in the middle of reading 😭😭😭😭
I don't think Downey is going to be playing Victor Von Doom. If I remember correctly, there is a comic book multiversal variant of Tony Stark that becomes Doctor Doom. Possibly due to some possession nonsense, but I do believe Downey is still mostly playing Tony Stark here.
I still think Invisible Woman is the most powerful member, even with the nova flame. Doctor Doom said it during the Mark Waid run, when the FF occupied Latveria and he took over Sue's body.
You're taking it so seriously my guy, it's a Deadpool movie, what did you expect?
I'm just trying to figure out what movie this background music reminds me of.
"Slug it out with the hulk" eehhh. Not really he always gets knocked out
He can still stand his ground which is insanely impressive. I’d like to see half the avengers do that
Lol i didn't know Chet Hanks actually acted in anything
He actually survived the Annihilation Wave btw, not actually a death.
I referenced that if you listened before commenting
Dont sweat it i don't think its the same johnny at all. I think they went out of their way to make him visually clearly a different johnny
The point is he controls fire, Johnny is fire