Way younger but glad I'm starting ti careless about other opinions, u can be a firemen and people will somehow think your an arsonist. Life too farm approval.
@cubonefan3 yeah but in school you come face to face with them every day to the point that they cause severe psychological trauma. And you can't even leave like you can leave a workplace.
The beginning of this video is literally what most of high school felt like to me. I was homeschooled in 5th grade and because I was a fast learner I was able to finish my 6th grade schooling in the same year, so I was kind of unschooled for the next year. I used to go to a religious institute, for a few hours, and I learned the Quran there. My teachers were inspirational and I made a lot of great friends there. I also used to swim and ride my bike a lot. I would also like teaching my little brother, and I taught him how to read. I learned crochet as well. I was really interested in science so I used to read science books (that were not text books) and carried out different experiments. I loved to deconstruct electronics and make motors and robots out of them. However I eventually wanted to go back to school. I preformed well at school and was always at the top of my class, and when I told my teachers that I was homeschooled they would say, "it doesn't seem like it". They expected me to be dumb or something. I would then tell them that I learned more at home than school has ever taught me. There is so much that school doesn't teach you. In highschool i continued to be at the top of my grade, and also liked helping and teaching others. Unfortunately my teachers weren't the best. Sometimes I felt like jumping out of my seat and teaching the students physics, which is exactly what I did when the teacher left. We didn't do many fun things like projects and stuff. I especially hated how my school treated mental issues, bullying and student affairs. It wasn't until the pandemic that I realized I had been depressed and showing clear signs of it. Praise God I got out of that. It also took the pandemic for me to get rid of my toxic friend, who had been bullying me and eating at my self esteem. School didn't help me with any of that. It just added to my stress. Even though my academic performance was excellent, I never really liked school and it's system. I complained about it, so some teachers didn't like me. They liked the kids who would just shut up and conform. I can sit here all day and list away. Homeschooling is difficult too, but at least it's not a waste of time and potential. It also depends on what school you go to, what country you live in etc. But I still claim that most of what I know today and even my academic success is mostly because of what I learned in my homeschooling years.
LOVE LEARNING AND EDUCATION - but I can't STAND the sociaism!! I believe when people learn to show more empathy and have more self awareness then perhaps we can entertain public school, but we are a long ways down from that road! Unschooling is also allllll the opportunities you WONT have! Like spending more time with family. As a grown up I WISH!! My mom had spent more time with her kids, it really makes me appreciate life all the more, and children don't have long!! Enjoy it, enjoy life through exploration, find the things YOU enjoy and you're well skilled at!!! So many wasted opportunities!!! Don't let that happen!! Life is soo precious!! ❤
There are probably thousands of homeschooliing stories like yours. Unfortunately society only confirms to 1 size fits all. Because of this attitude some children ( be damned) are left behind. And bulling sometimes is a matter of life and death. Most teachers and school administrators don't care.
My son has aspergers and severe dyslexia. You don't realize how broken the school system is until you have a child with an LD. Dyslexia private school wouldn't accept him because of his autism. Asbergers school wouldn't accept him because of his dyslexia and the public school system..well..kinda hard to help a child when there isn't enough funding or trained staff. I didn't even know unschooling even existed until I watched a RUclips family talk about it. It's very hidden, I find. I pulled my son out of the system in 2021, and it has been the best decision I have made for him. 😊
For me; Now 62 I (wish someone would have done that for me all those years ago! Good luck with your child in this increasingly authoritarian country! PS, Vote! Vote Blue!
@jberk7000 I pulled my kids out of public school in 2011. Both kids have Asperger’s (autism spectrum disorder now) and severe ADHD. My oldest just “graduated” from being unschooled since 2012 (when I finally gave up on “typical” American school system curriculum). Both kids have thrived so much from this experience. They learn at their own pace, at their interest level. It’s much harder to be an unschooling parents. Finding ways to get them the information and materials they need/ tutors is much more time intensive. But, it is totally worth it! Keep up the good work!
@@Steampunkkids as someone with ADHD I definetely strive more when I am free to learn and explore than when i'm forced to learn by heart informatin that I will never use.. I still managed but unschooling can definitely be a big help to ND kids. But the challenge on parents can be greater as they often are ND as well
@@aarone9000 Funnily enough I think both right and left are starting to become more authoritarian overall. You have smaller factions in both sides that are far less so but of course they can't ever display it because they go against the main party. But unschooling in particular might be a good way to start educating people in common sense that would allow them to see through authoritarians on both sides. Though ideally there would not be a two sides but as many sides as possible.
Special needs children usually can't be effectively taught in a mainstream environment, but that does not make the mainstream bad, or the child. The kids in the 60% bell area don't need that level of one-on-one and we as a society don't allot the funds to educate that way. There are programs for special needs but it sounds like even those failed you, and that should not have happened. Kudos that you made a way possible for your kid and I hope they make their way with fulfilment.
The main problem with the school's teaching methods are that they are suitable for a thinkless industrial line of work (as demonstrated in Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times), which was fine a few decades ago. But now that many jobs nowadays required more creative thinking and problem-solving, having schools using the same methods for centuries - is very damaging to the kid's future!
@@pisces031372aj exactly. Just like America(and other continents) needed a balance of both organic and industrial agroculture/farming. We both need a balance between tradition and modernity.
My step mum home edcuated my little brother, since he was clearly falling behind and noone understood him. Pictures of him catching up on work while everyone else is having fun together.
@@sprouts hes doing slightly better now, ofc he has his strengths (like straight up climbing walls) and his weaknesses. But they want to wean him into p2 soon.
Some parents who unschool do that for unsavory reasons, like keeping children ignorant so they don't question religious indoctrination. As much as school should be modernized, protecting children from ignorance should be a big concern.
I think kids by nature are inquisitive enough to overcome this though i do agree with your point to some extent children will challenge their parents beliefs and I think a strong family unit is a much better prospect than state induced propaganda which can also leave children ignorant
As a teacher, I've found that having the children in school also allows adults an extra eye to catch abuse. I worked at an elementary school for some years and it was depressing the number of pregnancies we discovered. Usually the father was a family member and the abuse had been ongoing for years. Simply horrible. We also fed children and sent home food, clothes and washed clothes for children, supplied school supplies, laptops and internet access. We also had free dental, physical and eye checkups and supplied hearing aids and glasses. Public schools may not be so great, but many have resources that can save a life.
@@HadassaMoon144 I love the humanity that you have, a really good point that a school can offer more than just education though this starts to fall into societal issues rather than educational which is not an easy problem to fix with our current political system
It is a hard subject to tackle. There are some subjects that kind of need a school setting to learn and some that everyone should learn, but the modern schools are burning out kids very quickly with a lot of stuff that might not really be necessary for the masses (points at calculus 2 in high school). But I think unschooling can run into issues of while some subjects have vast depth to the individual other subjects may never be brought up until it might be an age they don’t want to learn or might have been taught wrong and don’t want to change their way of thinking on it. Besides I’ve met enough parents that would use unschooling as an excuse to make their child into a servant.
@sprouts then you should have led with this in the first place. Education is not just an elite system reproducing itself. Too many people around the world despite having had it are still ignorant to what it is and how it could enhance all our lives. If you've ever taught, you'll understand the saying, 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.' There's so much knowledge and skills to be learnt, yet so few people actually utilising it.
@@thescienceloungeIt is not complimentary. Unschooled children can succeed as much (if not more) than schooled peers. How much of what you learned in school actually stuck with you? Adults have to relearn things in adulthood, if they ever get to use anything they learned in school. Unschooled kids learn how to learn instead of being spoon fed information. They are equipped to learn anything at the moment they need it.
This is so refreshing. I agree with unschooling 100%. I never knew there was a name for this until just now when I saw this video. I always had issues with traditional schooling. I HATED my school years, finding it to be mostly boring, stultifying and sometimes terrifying. (I grew up in the 1980s). The powers that be dictated what I should learn and when. Things I wanted to know more about were kept out of my reach, like physics, because I was an "arts" student. Questioning things was often frowned upon. I am a deep thinker and I LOVED to question and argue about many different things. It seems to me learning should be spontaneous and aligned with a person's natural interests no matter how diverse they are. All questions should be met with open answers and encouragement to seek answers from many different sources. Not shrugged off and children made to feel wrong for wanting to know things or disagreeing with the "master" position. Gosh I need to know more about this unschooling. Decades too late for me, but if I can be of use to others in this regard, sign me up.
I agree that parents should have the ultimate responsibility for the education of their children BUT subjects like algebra must be taught even though it has very has little use in most people’s lives, it teaches logic and problem solving that and most people don’t realize they actually do use it.
As someone who was unschooled, I and everyone else I know who is unschooled was taught certain required subjects (like algebra) because it’s required by the state. For me, unschooling was a great experience and I’m glad my parents did it I start my first year of a good mechanical engineering college this Monday, and I doubt I would have found a love for this occupation/activity if I wasn’t raised the way I was 😊
Parents are not always ultimatly interested in the well beeing of their children. And far more often than that, they are not always wise enough to determine what their children will need, or able to teach them by themself. I am a kindergarden teacher, so i am pretty convinced of the "children learn by themself through experience"-concept... but it has its limits. There are subjects like basic math and grammar which to many children are not at all interesting, and would be ignored, if the children would make that choice. We basically have to force children to learn it, because without it, their options in life will be very limited. School definitly is not the best thinkable solution for our children, its just an affordable one. One teacher for 20-30 children is doable. One teacher for 5 children would be better, but incredibly expensive. But there are many subjects which are best learned with supervision of someone who knows how human beeings learn things. (usually the more complex ones) You cannot learn them via experience, and you cannot learn them as well by just reading a book, without someone who could answer questions about the subject. So yes, you can get a functioning and probably mentally much more independent adult if you take your child out of school and let it just learn what and when it wants... but don´t expect your child to later make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject. It may still happen, you may have a rare child that manages to teach itself, but the vast majority won´t, and be forced to do manual labour for the rest of their lifes.
@@Omega0850 "Parents aren't always interested in the well being of their children" - neither are teachers, and I'd bet that more teachers are disinterested than parents. "Don't expect your child to make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject." - Primary school doesn't prepare kids for most jobs. Like, at all. All it really does is teach them something of a work and study ethic. Which is valuable, mind you, but you don't need a 12 year foundation to get even into STEM fields. And when you're talking about blue collar work, many schools have systematically eliminated those fields of study - agriculture, home ec, shop, etc. Again, not that a long term foundation in those fields is required. Put a 14 year old in an apprenticeship electrician position and he'll be ready to go by the time he's 18. I definitely think there's a place for schools -- particularly those not burdened by the ennui of public schools (that is, schools that don't rubber stamp their kids), but we definitely need to popularize other options.
I have one son with severe adhd and twin boys with sensory processing disorders, and one also has dyslexia. They were struggling in school socially and academically. They were becoming behavior children and being left behind in the public school setting. I found a good balance for them thru the state offered k12 digital learning school (for free). It allows them to get both schooled and unschooled simultaneously. My one son with dyslexia could barely read more than a 3 letter word at the age of 10. He can now read chapter books. By taking them out of the traditional setting that was overwhelming them, they started to thrive. They have certain classes they attend with traditional teachers and are still meeting state required schooling in a non-traditional setting. My oldest is also taking dual college credit courses as a sophomore. This option will allow them to graduate with a high-school diploma in a way that works for them.
I’m stuck in the American public schooling system right now; I always find it aggravating whenever I see what we could do better. My grades are quite good, I am obedient, and I do practically all that’s asked of me, yet I never feel like I’ve really learned anything. It annoys me that an ideal education is apparently to beat a student into compliance or, more recently, to evaluate them with arbitrary numbers on arbitrary topics. Cycles of overwhelming stress and sleeplessness usually marked my previous grades. It was near impossible to do something enriching that I enjoyed without compromising a portion of my grade. Most of all, I felt like I was prioritizing something intrinsically useless over my health and well-being. I desperately wanted to express my artistry, creativity, and inventiveness in some form, but I lacked the necessary outlets while striving for academic success. As someone who participates in the modern school system, I can say it is mostly useless for the modern world. Still, there are fundamental things that need coverage to avoid public ignorance. The U.S. is facing an education crisis existing since its education system’s creation. There is a lack of geographical coverage and the curriculum is obsolete if not devolving. Politicians with less than selfless motives choose ignorance and compliance over general welfare. Still, several masses have poor conceptions of essential subjects like evolution, human caused climate change, and even literacy. Truthfully, I don’t know how much the state or parents should micromanage education. Then again, who is any one person to decide what’s best for another? Maybe an ideal system a balance between the parent and state involvement, or maybe we need to include educators, academics, and students into the discussion.
The school (and home) condition all of us to have less respect for the young and their voices/views than the old, despite the fact the old tend to be more entrenched in their ways, bias and have lived longer in a damaging environment which conditions them to think and act a certain way, student's voices should be first and foremost as nobody knows more about your mental health than you and you are the one who should be served. The schooling system since the 1860's has not had anything to do with education, (please read my comment above I mention it a little bit there too) the creators of it explicitly said it was to "defang" the populace, decrease the chances of revolution against government, train obedience and subservience to authority and create docile worker's for their new factories who'll accept lot's of menial boring work for little pay, learn to compete against one another, not make mistakes (even though mistakes are good school conditions us like pavlovian dogs away from them) and this isn't a complete list sadly. The further one gets away from this model the greater their mental health, well being and performance across the board in literacy, math and everything else gets, this is why homeschoolers who reject this model public schooling has adopted out perform schooler's on all of the above, report higher levels of happiness and remember more of everything too and why unschoolers (because they're even further from the damaging "prussian" schooling model) outperform them and are happier, people learned for thousands and thousands of years before the invention of this and countless people today still do, we don't need something had nothing to do with education to educate us. One of the worst things this model has conditioned/fooled everyone into believing is that education is some desperately needed thing which must be ""enforced" and is only okay to enforce on minors (but anyone else it's disrespectful or immoral) despite the fact nobody has a stronger innate learning drive than children, learns faster, is more open to it and the ignorance of them (unlike with adults) doesn't jeopardise the world, think voting in politicians constantly who everyone hates and could nuke the world, how close we've come to this disaster and how adult ignorance has already caused countless disasters including countless genocides and you realise how much more severely important it is that these people with the power know what they're doing, yet we still object to forcing them to know, if it's not mandatory to educate people with that power to make sure they use it wisely it shouldn't be anyone else. Dr. Peter Gray among other's talk extensively about the harms of coercive/compulsory schooling in various books and articles, please google them and never support it.
I am working in IT and most things I learned, I didn't learn from schools, I learned them through gaming, home projects and the old way of trail and error. That's the story for also most other people in IT. Because IT grows and shifts extremely fast you can't learn in the way schools to it.
This is a major failure of modern public education unfortunately and I say that as a high school teacher of 15 years. This happened for reasons not usually discussed, definitely not in this video, which involved trying to run the education system like a business where students are numbers. The view the public education system is stuck in the past or held back by interest groups is wrong as the problem is much more difficult to deal with because it goes against the Capitalist Mentality of many Americans and this channel. Schools changed to meet the needs of their customer, which were never students in this set-up, but politicians and bureaucrats.
@@sprouts I do really appreciate and respect what y'all do even if my response might seem critical. I use your content in my advanced Psychology and Sociology classes in a Florida Title I High School. This issue always fires me up but keep up the great work!
Amen @chrishendricks7362. I have 2 daughters that are teachers. One bolted the first year, the other finally called it quits after 12 years. The expectation seems to have shifted from teaching the children to raising the children, but their sweet angels are never wrong and Karen Mom makes life hell for those that try to bring the brats to a behavior that will not detract from the whole oversized class. In most industries you get more pay in hazardous environments, but the opposite applies for the teachers caught between parents with unrealistic expectations, students with poor social skills and a school board that punishes those that care. The surviving teachers are for the most part automatons because they have been beaten down and get through the day by shutting off emotionally. Who in their right mind wants be a teacher now? If you have a retention/recruitment problem, it is certainly not the workers that created it.
@@sprouts Where was ANY of this nuance in your video? Take this garbage down - You're supposed to be an educational channel, not a rightwing apologist.
I did learn something at school, I can't remember what it was now. Looking back, not only was it a complete waste of that part of my life, it also caused mental damage that I still live with now (52yo). Very damaging experience, definitely ruined my life.
I agree with you. It's damaged me mentally (though I'm only 29) & was a waste of my time considering I don't remember anything from it except all the trauma. I've been trying to take college classes for 11 years now to get a better chance at my dream job, but it's so hard when all I'm doing is reliving all the bad parts from elementary thru high school
@@borysnijinski331Who told you that unschoolers don’t become engineers, too? Unschooling is about learning how to learn and explore your interests. The child can take it as far as he/she wants, and that includes preparing for and going to college if that aligns with personal goals.
@@borysnijinski331 You get to be an engineer because of engineering classes down outside of school, when we say "school" we're talking about all the compulsory stuff not things like medical school or law school or engineering, yes they accept applicant's because of things done in prior school but it's not because of things you learned in prior school you could do engineering, it was all irrelevant to it and didn't actually make you qualified for it. Also worth nothing it doesn't invalidate or even counteract the gentlemen's account you're referring to in which he asserts it ruined his life, people's lives being ruined wouldn't be okay because we wanted to be engineers, if we want to be that we can pursue it and will even have much more time to do so without schooling in our way and that guys life can also go unruined (and millions of other's) it's a win for everyone.
It can be, because of a lack of resources, we are not always able to pursue a child's interests due to the reality of time restraints. (or the fact that the teacher may be tied down trying to deal with an out of control student .
Unschoolers learn useful information that will help them in the real world. They are emotionally mature, develop communication skills and have a healthy relationship with others. Through homeschooling we learn: the difference between right and wrong, to discover and have faith in themselves, to manage into the real world, that it's normal to make mistakes, that nothing is easy, that nothing is obtained easily, intelligent hard work pays off, to be patient and productive, to establish realistic goals and pursue them, to cultivate their talents, skills and abilities, how to control their emotions, self-discipline, self-love, self-respect, to not be people pleasers, to organize their schedule for the day, to respect traditions, real culture and values, that things can be done if they put their mind into it, to live every moment, to cherish life at every age etc. We also get a chance to spend more time with our family and loved ones, and according to Gatto, we are safe. We don't have to worry what some strangers think of us, or that we'll be bullied the moment we go outside.
Doubt it; we would have people under skilled and not able to participate in the workplace and also not understand civics well enough to be good citizens.
I can see how unschooling could also help with making sure that your child isn't forced to conform to a specific set of political views (which seems to be getting more and more common to the point of grading the kid's well written essays poorly because the teacher has a different opinion). There's still more downsides to that in my opinion though: - In schools the curriculums are not optimally adjusted to everyone's skills, but still everyone's (hopefully) being taught by actual professionals, not parents who may not have enough knowledge. It's possible to hire tutors, but that means raising the costs of teaching and makes the whole unschooling more school-like. - Grading may me stressful, but it's actually a reasonable way of assessing students' skills. - If this practice becomes too popular, we'll simply get lots of illiterate people not taught properly because not all parents who'd try it would be actually capable of educating their children in other ways. Instead of unschooling, we should improve the schools. Let's make sure the teachers are not trying to use their power for political indoctrination (I still remember my high-school teacher talking bad about a specific politician during the class despite the subject having nothing to do with it. Or my university math teacher talking more about how he hates a specific political party than about math) and that they're actually knowledgable about new technologies (my high school IT teacher literally taught me about a very old HTML version and TurboPascal which was already no longer used for many many years. It's still better than my middle school IT teacher who knew less about the subject than many of her students). Let's fix the subjects where the teachers don't do much at all like my old art classes where we weren't really taught how to draw or paint and were simply given supplies and told to paint something. Or the PE classes where the teacher gives the group of students a ball, tells them to play soccer and then doesn't even pay attention to what they're doing.
Nice idea but only in an ideal world: If your parents work long hours, earn just enough to get by, and you stay at home with brother(s) and / or sister(s),you don‘t have many books but a TV, a smartphone, a computer - and the world outside is a big city, where there isn‘t a community that teaches you anything worthwhile, apart from shopping maybe, unschooling is neglect. It leads to injustice, poverty for many more, and a few wonderfully creative and well/self-educated people, who have never met the poor, who lost in the DNA lottery.
The concept of unschooling sounds a bit too delusional on a big scale. It requires a family that genuinely wants the best for the children with plenty of time, money, and resources to apply all the goals mentioned. In reality, families often consider that kids only deserve what's more convenient for parents. So they can still grow up without critical thinking and open-mindedness if that's what the parents set them to be. High-quality schools can focus on kids' individuality, creativity, and curiosity while offering the students access to knowledge from specialized teachers and the opportunity to share an environment with different people.
"The child himself is the curriculum." ~ Rudolf Steiner "Many highly schooled people are uneducated, and many highly educated people are unschooled." ~ Milton Friedman
Sounds amazing. Super curious how a society as such would look like when we no longer have all these shared beliefs of truths. Would we just fall back to religious warfare, or would this kind of mindset overcome that. By having developed a mindset that would approaches that different. Because they would have learned how to adapt to the (dynamic) world, rather than using their applied knowledge of their (static) world.
I think it would depend on what source materials were required. I think there needs to be a shared belief in what maintains a free society and only one set of truths for education. That being said, religious beliefs are not the responsibility of the school and should be avoided in any way. Even comparative religious studies should be avoided until the student is in perhaps the senior year when they have theoretically developed adult reasoning. Up to that point, only respect of others could cover religion.
@@BuildinWings I don't see how you can develop a society without some standardization of facts. If facts are a problem for 'unschoolers' then I have a problem with 'unschoolers'.
Does unschooling teach children to look at issues from more than one perspective, to question things and to analyze them critically? because there's none of that here.
It's telling that the listed key reasons for unschooling are what teachers are being taught to take into account and design their classes around. As in, take the students' interests into account, let them solve problems by themselves etc.
@@dumbphonemom Well, ideally they do. Realistically, it's often not possible, as you said. So it's mostly not even the teachers' fault, but the education system's.
I don’t agree with unschooling and here’s why: Having the ability to unschool is for middle upper and upper class people. To unschool, a parent would need to stay home part or full time to make sure the student is learning - while still making enough money to live a comfortable life. Lower class people just can’t afford to take time off work for that. And with no current standardized lessons there will be many unschooled students graduating without having proper reading / math skills. We don’t want American students falling behind even more than they already are. It would be better to spend this time trying to reform our public schools with more practical lessons and job training. Unschooling and homeschooling is just rich people “ jumping ship” from a failing system instead of contributing money to help make it better.
I myself whom is a teacher in a preschool. Teaches kids by having them explore in their very own way. We take them outside as much as we possibly can. My mom, who subs for one school district, sees a lot of hands-on experiences and a lot of reaching out to children's needs. The other is not so much. One teacher didn’t care if a kid answered the standardized test questions correctly. She stated that the test just needed to be finished and submitted. I myself often thought about the direction that schools have been going. There's no doubt that one day our future kids will go to school because my husband and I will have to work to live. But with whatever subjects our future kids will be learning. I'd be happy to take them to museums and admerse them in such a subject when not at school the same way my parents did.
While I understand the idea, as a student I think having to rely on my parents for my educations sounds problematic. First of all, I don't think people realize the time and skill it takes to teach someone something, especially if they aren't fast learners. What if the learner really needs more help than parents or life can give? Second some information you can't 'just learn from life' for example for most of us neither parent or life could teach us about chemistry, or geometry, both of which are very difficult to learn and much more difficult to teach. Even if the educator knew the material well. Third, having to be around new people and step out of your comfort zone and deal with stress are all skill in themselves and must be learnt. I learned to work with my peers by being in school, I developed interests outside of my comfort zone because school required extra curriculars. And i learned how to deal with problems and stresses by working through school. These things can't be attained by staying in the safety and comfort of the home. And finally, the amount of time needed to self-teach someone isn’t compatible with the average working-class schedule. Which means that in such an arraignment the learner would need the appropriate social background to make such an arrangement feasible, which takes away from the third reasoning, which branches into a need to know and meet peers from other backgrounds. Because of this i think Un-schooling is impractical and as a public-school student would not want it from myself, but as the video mentioned; not all students are the same. It's entirely possible this system would work really well for others.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🏢 School system resembles corporate culture with meetings and instructions. 00:59 📚 Modern schooling influenced by Frederick the Great, aimed at unification and literacy. 01:31 🌍 Global adoption of state-controlled compulsory education. 02:34 📖 Unschooling: Learning outside traditional classrooms, through life experiences. 03:37 🧠 Reasons for unschooling: Parent-child relationship, individualized learning, autonomy. 04:43 🎒 Unschoolers explore diverse interests, ask 'why learn', go deeper than schools. 05:15 📝 Traditional schooling's impact on anxiety, conformity, and learning strategies. 05:58 💬 Exploring perspectives on unschooling, state vs. parental control over education. Made with HARPA AI
Very accurate episode. The saying "the way the hammer shapes the hand" comes to mind. Adopting corporate or military methods for teaching guts the humanity out of our children.
I think absolutely pure unschooling isn't the best. You still need some form of formal classes sometimes. Something like Outschool or classes at the museum or something. But what public school does to children, or even most private schools, is absolutely horrendous. I plan to do some form of homeschooling one day, probably a very eclectic approach
The unschooling has many pros, but it also depends heavily on how strict and organized the parents are when choosing what to teach the child. It could be a great success but it can also be a major failure if not done correctly. Say what you want about schools and teachers but it also teaches kids how to deal with others, especially when it's unpleasant. Most of the time we dont have the luxury of walking away from people we find unpleasant. Worse, try to work with individuals who refuse to work with you.
There are way too many idiots out there to leave the decision up to each set of parents. Plus, what if this kid wants to go to university? How would they ever get in? This may have worked in a commune type setting, but there are no villages to help raise a child in the west any longer.
The main problem I have with unschooling is that if all children did unschooling most of them wouldn’t know how to read or write. In my opinion Elementary School and Middle School teaches you all the basic math, reading and writing you need to know so High school is not needed. I think children should go to school till 9th grade then that’s the end of it and if you want more education you can get it if you want.
In my opinion, a great deal of those who have resources, time and knowledge, have always seen for their children's best education interest. However, the majority of school systems are generalized, they hardly ever have the requirements to consider individuals. Most of us, if not all, tend to favor those comments which best suit our current situation or way of thinking, and forget the reasons why society supported certain systems. So, as a former teacher, do not judge them all the same, a great majority of teachers, are in between our moral judgment, peer pressure, supervisors, parents and children. And it doesn't matter how many years of giving your best, show results, or how many students still write you, telling you how much you changed their lives for the best, or the awards you have, all it takes, is one person who doesn’t like you enough, and sufficient inffluence, to disrupt your balance. In conclusion, if you have the means to help your children's education, do it, no one cares for children more than a parent, but if you need to send them to an institution, help the teachers help your children, and work with them, because, odds are, pay is not that high, so, they probably like teaching.
While I like how you explain the potential pros of unschooling, I think that not addressing the cons of it is a big mistake. While I agree that, in an ideal setting, unschooling might be better for a child then going to school, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. For example, not learning some of the basics that are taught throughout primary and middle school could make a person very ignorant to many things in the world (for example not knowing the some basic geography, history or math or some core scientific principles in physics, chemistry and biology). Additionally not going through a formal education sistem and simply "learning through life" might not give you enough expertise in any particular field to work at anything else then at McDonalds. To sumarize (so that I don't turn this into a thesis), while ideally not going to school could work, there would be numerous examples of parents being ignorant to what a child should learn and not sending them to shcool while not providing a decent alternative education, which is why at least primary and middle school ought to be compulsory, even if they might sometimes feel like a waste of time. And I think if you do a video on the topic you should address those problems.
The problem is that those basic things you name aren't taught at all in schooling, the vast majority of student's come out not knowing geography, history or math whilst those unschooled/home schooled routinely outperform them on these topics and remember *much* more of what they've learned, it's inevitable that if you force anyone to learn something boring to them they'll almost certainly forget it, never use it and because they had it forced on them be put off now pursuing it even when they had an interest in it before. Math people will 100% use calculators, as it's faster than their brains, they're more confident in it's conclusion and it can do bigger sums, whether they were unschooled or public school they'll all be able to just do this rendering learning it much less important than it was before, same with writing everyone's just going to type so whilst not completely useless it's getting increasingly so, everything evolves. Coercive learning is psychologically damaging, compulsory schooling is coercive learning, there's been a lot written about this Dr. Peter Gray is only one place we can start but lot's have pointed out in books, articles how it damages us and why it's not necessary, humans have something called an "innate learning drive" we are born with it (why little kids ask "why" constantly) and it's why we don't need to freak out so much about teaching language or ask "what if kids don't wanna learn how to speak?" and it's why reading/writing existed in every generation all the way into thousands of years BC and maintained itself throughout all that time without any of the resources we have today being passed down through every generation for much much longer than coercive schooling has and why the further one gets from compulsory schooling the higher their literacy and math actually become.
Schooling does more than just teach, albeit so much of it is useless facts. It teaches to Interact when you teach your child at home they lose this coping skill. Surviving in the real, World becomes problematic.
Schools don't have to be that way. I taught in a very small northern Canadian community college. Our classes were around 5-10 students each. We could adapt what had to be taught to what the students wanted. For example I taught Into to Physical Anthropology. One student took the course focusing on skills he would need as a police officer and another was learning how to Anthropology to improve her writing career.
I am a retired school teacher. The system is useless! Teacher are given a syllabus and must follow it. No thinking or creativity for either for students or teachers. The homework is ridiculous! Left no time for a child to spend quality time with parents. I taught my son at home with many acres of woodland. He aced university and had scholarships. 🤗
I have a son with severe autism and behavioral issues. I’m concerned he will hurt a teacher, himself, or another student at school. I was picking him up every other day. He is non verbal severely disabled and not potty trained. Public School is not working for him. Alternative schooling at home works much better and allows him time to calm himself before starting again.
I agree with many of the negative points made about schools. However expecting parents to produce an equivalent education to educational professionals is just wishful thinking. They tried something like this in schools in France and it failed very badly. Modern technology and investment release is from spending most of our time on survival. Instead we spend our time trying to be rich while everyone else tries the same. This means most of us occupy jobs five days a week that we could really do in far less time. I believe we have the capacity to spend more effort on education increasing the number of teachers and reducing class sizes. How about one teacher for every five students. Many of those negatives will go away then because the teacher has more time to customise the learning experience.
I think parents should choose what the children learn. However I think there are some upsides to going to school. Mostly I just can’t think how you would have an unschool band. Yeah, my biggest concern is band, priorities.
the Unscooling you describe in this is more reflective of a freeform homeschooling where the parents try to hit the major points but focus more on life skills than academics, I have previously heard the term Unschooling used by people trying make their kids unlearn things taught in schools such as science and literacy for either religious reasons such as beliefs conflicting with science, or for selfish reasons like making kids artificially illiterate or infantilised for purposes like government support payments or to keep the child as "their baby" forever.
As someone from a family that forced me to go through the school system. (They even expect me to go to college, they care very much about my thingy for getting into college.) I hated school ever since I was forced to retake 1st grade because "I didn’t had friends". Wow. Not like they don't ever give opportunity to make friends and I'm already very braindead at when recess comes to the point I find it better to be alone and that most or all of the kids do not click with me. Nope it's me. (That was around 2016 or 2017.) Now I'm going to high school. And my family is pushing me to be the top of the class (grade of the school wide i think). I even heard my mom that I would be sad if I "got any lower". True. I would still be sad if i got thr top. I would only be fucking truly happy if i drop-out and do whatever the hell I want. Because I know i'm more likely going to be a criminal or terrorist the more I go to that hell.
I seriously challenge everyone to learn about the experience, research and findings of John Taylor Gatto concerning the American education system. The need to end this institution is very real. Bells every 45 minutes or so damage developing minds. Unfortunately, most cannot afford the time or money, or are not prepared emotionally or informationally to engage with alternatives effectively. Nevertheless we must find a way because there is very much a causal link between modern institutional education methods and the lack of the very resources listed above. Helluva catch-22, but here we are.
This is all good and well, and I agree with a lot in this video - but I also think many schools have evolved. We have a great school and teacher. But my kid is not a 'fit in a box' kind of child. She is struggling. Most homes have full-time working parents tho... so neither unschooling nor homeschooling are realistic options for most of us.
Unschooling would mean that what education a child would get depends 100% on what parents he or she will be born to. The perpetuation of the same class capital of knowledge. Sociologists like Bourdieu have already shown that the current school system has a very limited effect on an effective social ladder. If generlised, it will probably take only a couple of generations for unschooling to become a nightmare.
A long time is spent getting yeld at or getting in trouble for things they didn't do.like great not only do kids get stuck inside all day but they can miss out out on what little outside time they get because most teachers punish first ask questions never.
I still think homeschooling is the best thing for students. I REALLY wish I could have been homeschooled--I know I could have turned out better because schools don't teach the kids anything. I got most of my knowledge from reading books, & I have the intelligence today for a Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Arts degree in that area!😊
You gotta be careful with it though :p. Many people unschool or homeschool to indoctrinate children themselves, or to make sure they don't count any "inconvenient secrets", particularly those of abuse.
the thing is unschooling might work really well for someone but employers may not hold the opinion of the benefits of unschooling and they might favor classically schooled individuals and the unschooled person will struggle to find a conventional, well paying job, regardless of if they're smarter or not than their competition
If the parent has the time and discipline to learn the subjects and techniques, there will never be a better way for kids to learn. It is also inherently limited as only one view point is being presented, and is particularly dangerous when radical ideologies are being indoctrinated with inaccurate source materials. If the parent is required to use approved materials and tested independently for proficiency in the material, and approval of that home schooling is dependent on that proficiency, I am all for it. Unfortunately, if you look at the setbacks in education tied to the Covid outbreak, I think there is evidence that the parents are falling short, however well meaning they are. The households that can basically operate on a single income so that one can take on the educational responsibilities are few, so what is to be done for the people that need both incomes or are single parents? I also don't agree that creating worker drones with centuries old factory style learning is the way to go either. There are numerous very good learning programs that could be coupled with in-session testing that could adhere to standardized curriculum material that approach the subjects in a variety of ways. Also remember that little Johnny has to cope with an employer's expectations, so learning skills cannot be totally tailored to their likes, they have to learn to cope with the environment they will enter as an adult. Screens are the way kids view the world now, for good or ill, so why not reach them in a way that they can digest? We will still need teachers to evaluate what methods are best for each student and help them with whatever they are struggling with, but that would be much more individualized and address learning challenges more effectively than just pounding them into a square hole.
As someone who despise school this is informative and more people should understand this that and there are more dangers about public schools than someone doing a shooting.
I have this burning desire of unschooling my child (which is extremely rare here) and prepare for his/her future in a good manner so that he/she will learn the required subjects but also explore alot of things. I am planning on this even before my marriage now since few years. Meanwhile, my nieces who live with my for most of the times are not forced to ace their school syllabus but only learn and understand it. The forced system of schools, their unnecessary loads of tests and grades systems doesn't feel good to me.
I would have done so much better to be unschooled, I found school boring, boring, boring. I did a 3 year course in 2020 -2022 that was interesting and very demanding, got all A's for each year.
Home schooling and unschooling suggests that attending school isn't in the best interest of a child and contributes passivity, lack of internal motivation, conformity yadda yadda. American school systems have heen pressurized politically to the point where they are being held responsible for not just educating children but raising them as well. See the comment listed about the clothing, dental care etc provided in many of today's schools and consider the lack of support for schools by society as a whole. We don't rally around our kids in a constructive way. I'm thinking of the little league type of competitive parent. Linking school finance to attendance has unintended consequences as wel. Children are more likely to attend school on special event days which tend to distract kids from the tasks at hand. I consider anything labled "pajama day" a total disruption . Untill we stand together as a society and reallistically consider what American education should provide, we will continue to suffer the consequences of fragmentation and confusion. Teachers see the result of school districts grasping for straws to raise test scores and compete with more and more public (but privately run) schools.There are many examples of fine educational practice in the US and in other countries. We need to listen and learn from others in order to completely reform our school systems in the US. We can't assume what we know anything including the goals of the society for the children , the understanding of the rolls of parents, how children learn and what is inportant for the 21st century. This is as important as winning WWll or going to the moon.
I have had projects on my shoulders that if successful would provide more money for me, more secure jobs for my colleagues, and more jobs for my company and I have never felt so much pressure as taking an exam in school.
Honestly, because schools seem to be more grooming, indoctrination and memorize focused, then actually teaching kids how to rationally think for themselves, provide information, life skills etc.
More kids are molested by their parents than their teachers. By all means, take away kids' ability to speak out though. You're doing a great job of selling them to your priests.
@@phanomtaxskibididoodoo Not really. Because showing sexual content like teaching kids how to give blowjobs, is universally considerd grooming and if you think otherwise, please post your address, name and other personal information so that the ones who are more sane, can put you 6ft under. I get what you tried to say, but you utterly failed and said something moronic.
Spoken like someone who wants to indoctrinate a child to know only what they want them to know. Factual or not. Children should learn facts, even the ones parents don't like or understand. When you only give then half facts you're doing them a disservice.
@@pisces031372aj xD I am the one against indoctrination. Since schools groom and indoctrinate kids into the "facts" they like. It's better to remove the grooming and take your chance with the parents. At least with the parents, the odds are higher kids actually learn to think for themselves. So you're wrong.
Can you tell in what countries is it happening because your viewers are from around the world and don't have the same backgrounds to be all in the same page.
As an kid with aspergers syndrome, i am in school but in better way, online school, while in school they bully you and make fun of + give a load of stress, in online school theres no bullying and no social life (witch i prefer). But i can imagine the posibilities of unschooling
When I become a teacher I don’t want to school, I want to unschool although it will be hard I’m determined to make the best learning environment for future generations as best as I can
I wanted to ditch school since 10th grade because I grew totally disinterested in its field (I go to a vocational school), they teach almost nothing of value (math is at at an insanely barebones vocational level, also no chemistry or physics classes) and leech off 9 hours of my daily life of which I had plans for and on top of that I had no good friends to connect with. But my dad didn't allow it because he thinks that without school you immediately become a good-for-nothing idiot or something. So for two years I just kept struggling and trying to juggle all sorts of mental and real life issues and fallen into multiple dark places, I just kept dreaming about how I could use all that free time to study on my own, go to the gym, learn stuff like cooking and music (things I still wish today). I'm in grade 12 now and I only go to school on 2 days of the week and it feels so much better than all the previous years. Even though I spend even more time at my internship, doing something I couldn't care less about, I still feel better than ever because I have so much more freedom and flexibility here than school. Don't get me wrong though, I'd still leave this system in a heartbeat if I could. I wish I did, all those years ago.
I'm not even really against a school-type system, it's why I'm working towards a university/academia life, it's just that the one I was in was so completely against my interests and lifestyle that I'd rather circumsize myself with a chainsaw than go to through my middle-high school years again. Also covid was a thing. That helped ruin my life too.
If you review one of your other videos in this series titled "Cipolla’s 5 Laws of Human Stupidity" it should become instantly and abundantly clear why letting parents "unschool" their children is actually a horrible idea. So, although I am not convinced that the state should decide what and how to teach, I am even less thrilled with the idea of this "unschooling." Here's a novel idea... how about having trained educators involved in these decisions? There is a reason they put us through a 4-year program where we are taught how the human brain and human development work, how to recognize and respond to learning disabilities, how to teach students how to think rather than what to think, and other handy disciplines like how to distinguish valid from invalid sources of information. It's almost as if someone thought people should specialize in teaching the same way medical professionals specialize in various areas of human health, so when you need heart surgery, you don't have to go to a hairstylist or toilet plumber. Sheesh
I am a hater of schools myself, I never had the feeling I learned much and my character flaws align with this videos description of the effects of school shockingly well, but I still cannot agree with you on this one. Parents should not have power over their childs education for the following reasons: Teachers, bullies and learning pressure in schools can be very destructive, but many parents are toxic themselfes. Its quite common for parents to pressure their kids way more than the teachers do, other parents will only neglect their responsebilities of education if they get this task from schools. Schools can be socially important, children can meet friends there if they have some, or flee their home for a few hours a day. Many of us experienced the school as a prison, but good parents cannot be taken for granted and oftentimes the home can be the prison too, schools through their unique focus on children can be a stabilising force against bad parents. Even many good parents might not have the money and time to live without schools or they might not be educated enough themselfes to educate their children. Also, being a good parent is already very expensive in many countries, it should be made cheaper rather than more unaffordable. As a history nerd I know how schools indoctrinate their students in some subjects, like religion, politics or history. But they also serve as a realitycheck, very religious or very ultranationalistic parents would use the power of education to create filterbubbles around their kids if schoolduty git abolished. Schools might not serve their duty as learning facilities very well, but they can garantee a basic level of knowledge and that students have at least heard of the major subjects once. In a time where even basic knowledge in many more niche subjects is declared irrelevant this can be especially important to give kids more different perspectives, make them more tolerant to people with niche jobs or hobbies, show them that the dominant culture of their birthnation is only one culture out of many and not how things have to be done, allow for a greater choice of jobs later and prevent other (mis)information hubs like the media or politicly powerful ideas and branches to take complete power. An official education institution is of course only as powerful as the state it is part of, for example in the US the school system isnt really able to be a counterbalance to stupid religious ideas like "Intelligent Design" or political ideas like Homophobie anymore, but usually the improvement of the school system is almost always preferable to the replacement of it.
The average cost per student per year is $12,612. The average family has two children. If this tax burden was shifted away from inefficient and ineffectual public schools, and instead toward parents who want to put in the work to educate their children properly, a _great_ many families who cannot currently afford to have a parent stay home full time and educate their children (which is statistically the single greatest predictor for lifelong success) would be able to. The concerns around families "indoctrinating" their children or neglecting them is so overblown as to be nothing short of fear mongering. Homeschooling parents are the same as you... they want what's best for their children. Does it really make sense that someone who was indifferent to their child's well-being would willingly take on the additional work of homeschooling when there's a state funded daycare that will even pick up the kids from home for them? As a side note, I really would encourage you to reconsider your stance on how much power a government should have over children and the trend toward its preclusion of parental Rights. As a fellow "history nerd", I've never known a society in which the state undermined the role of the parent, and didn't also veer into Authoritarianism. Our Rights are meaningless if they don't allow for things that you or I might disagree with, and a government which controls what you say or what you believe is objectively evil.
This approach would be great if all parents were smart enough, had the proper knowledge, and would take the time to educate. This will not happen. Exclamation point. This appears to be almost a libertarian view of all doing the right thing for the benefit of society. Uh, they won't. So, we have institutional education. People won't do what would be necessary to have an educated society. I wish humans weren't human. I don't trust us. Life reinforces that every second. People don't share the same values or worldview. We would sadly have such an unbalanced distribution of knowledge that living and working together would be untenable. What we have is very imperfect. But with a willy-nilly approach on a crowded planet, I don't know how things could be better. Implants of basic knowledge may be the future. Beyond that, have at it.
Yes, I do like your way of simplifying explanations and using animations to explore issues, but presenting something like schooling itself in this straw man way adds nothing to anyone’s understanding of unschooling or schooling, or even deschooling as we call it here in the UK. It would be a better video by being more balanced on both sides.
people "unschooled their children since the beginning of time and where did it get them or society.? People have only been schooled in the past 100 yrs and that's why we have advanced from peasantry and fuedalism.
Progress says parents are redundant, While colleges make experts abundant, Can kids pass the test, Or does father know best, Consider though that it's the parents that love the student.
I think that the human are super smart and they learn to do/be things we can’t imagine, but to be able to learn it from young age. The age that is being waisted is what called School.
So, it's Frederic The Great's fault that we go to school and it is the way it is?! That bastard! No wonder. He had good intentions but now we know why school makes everyone miserable.
As a former teacher, I fully agree public schools are horrible. If possibly, get your gets into a better education system. Private, home, religious, anything but public school.
School should prepare you to be a working member of society. Big firms/corporations will give you tasks and deadlines, and also rewards or punishments depending on if the tasks are finished successfully and if the deadlines are met. Also, there is expectation of punctuality, obedience to the authority and professionalism. I'm not sure you can learn most of that at home and just learning on your own. Especially regarding particular fields like medicine, engineering, chemistry etc. You do need some sort of boring formal education to kick-start your learning curve in a specific field and then later you can independently build on the foundation you learned at school. The other thing is, I don't know about hiring tutors and learning through traveling part. Most of us don't have money to continuously learn that way. In my country, schooling is generally very affordable for most of people (especially comparing to other countries), even at the university level because most of us are eligible for state-sponsored scholarships. This sounds like a great idea, but seems too unfeasible to me.
Nah, those parents simply have the knowledge to understand that you always have no, but their is still a chance of yes if you ask. They are wise ones, maybe learn from them.
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School seriously messed up my brain. And now I am almost 50 and always worrying for anything and fear almost everybody.
I'm embarrassed to say, I felt that. Smh, it can kill your imagination
Way younger but glad I'm starting ti careless about other opinions, u can be a firemen and people will somehow think your an arsonist. Life too farm approval.
You should consider therapy- you probably have Anxiety (as so many people, sadly)
Then they succeeded in their plan. Only YOU can change that.
If it wasn't for bullies in the form of both fellow students and teachers I would of loved school.
High school is just a microcosm of society. There are bullies both in school and out of school, so it’s better to learn how to deal with it young.
@cubonefan3 yeah but in school you come face to face with them every day to the point that they cause severe psychological trauma. And you can't even leave like you can leave a workplace.
Same
High school is the mini me of. The rest off society
"have loved school"
The beginning of this video is literally what most of high school felt like to me.
I was homeschooled in 5th grade and because I was a fast learner I was able to finish my 6th grade schooling in the same year, so I was kind of unschooled for the next year. I used to go to a religious institute, for a few hours, and I learned the Quran there. My teachers were inspirational and I made a lot of great friends there. I also used to swim and ride my bike a lot. I would also like teaching my little brother, and I taught him how to read. I learned crochet as well. I was really interested in science so I used to read science books (that were not text books) and carried out different experiments. I loved to deconstruct electronics and make motors and robots out of them. However I eventually wanted to go back to school. I preformed well at school and was always at the top of my class, and when I told my teachers that I was homeschooled they would say, "it doesn't seem like it". They expected me to be dumb or something. I would then tell them that I learned more at home than school has ever taught me. There is so much that school doesn't teach you. In highschool i continued to be at the top of my grade, and also liked helping and teaching others. Unfortunately my teachers weren't the best. Sometimes I felt like jumping out of my seat and teaching the students physics, which is exactly what I did when the teacher left. We didn't do many fun things like projects and stuff. I especially hated how my school treated mental issues, bullying and student affairs. It wasn't until the pandemic that I realized I had been depressed and showing clear signs of it. Praise God I got out of that. It also took the pandemic for me to get rid of my toxic friend, who had been bullying me and eating at my self esteem. School didn't help me with any of that. It just added to my stress. Even though my academic performance was excellent, I never really liked school and it's system. I complained about it, so some teachers didn't like me. They liked the kids who would just shut up and conform. I can sit here all day and list away. Homeschooling is difficult too, but at least it's not a waste of time and potential. It also depends on what school you go to, what country you live in etc. But I still claim that most of what I know today and even my academic success is mostly because of what I learned in my homeschooling years.
Thanks for sharing !
wow! 💙
LOVE LEARNING AND EDUCATION - but I can't STAND the sociaism!! I believe when people learn to show more empathy and have more self awareness then perhaps we can entertain public school, but we are a long ways down from that road! Unschooling is also allllll the opportunities you WONT have! Like spending more time with family. As a grown up I WISH!! My mom had spent more time with her kids, it really makes me appreciate life all the more, and children don't have long!! Enjoy it, enjoy life through exploration, find the things YOU enjoy and you're well skilled at!!! So many wasted opportunities!!! Don't let that happen!! Life is soo precious!! ❤
too bad they made you waste your time with religion. All religion is a waste of time.
There are probably thousands of homeschooliing stories like yours. Unfortunately society only confirms to 1 size fits all. Because of this attitude some children ( be damned) are left behind. And bulling sometimes is a matter of life and death. Most teachers and school administrators don't care.
I was Homeschooled and I'm grateful for the sacrifices my parents took to accomplish that.
My son has aspergers and severe dyslexia. You don't realize how broken the school system is until you have a child with an LD. Dyslexia private school wouldn't accept him because of his autism. Asbergers school wouldn't accept him because of his dyslexia and the public school system..well..kinda hard to help a child when there isn't enough funding or trained staff. I didn't even know unschooling even existed until I watched a RUclips family talk about it. It's very hidden, I find. I pulled my son out of the system in 2021, and it has been the best decision I have made for him. 😊
For me;
Now 62 I (wish someone would have done that for me all those years ago! Good luck with your child in this increasingly authoritarian country! PS, Vote! Vote Blue!
@jberk7000 I pulled my kids out of public school in 2011. Both kids have Asperger’s (autism spectrum disorder now) and severe ADHD. My oldest just “graduated” from being unschooled since 2012 (when I finally gave up on “typical” American school system curriculum). Both kids have thrived so much from this experience. They learn at their own pace, at their interest level. It’s much harder to be an unschooling parents. Finding ways to get them the information and materials they need/ tutors is much more time intensive. But, it is totally worth it! Keep up the good work!
@@Steampunkkids as someone with ADHD I definetely strive more when I am free to learn and explore than when i'm forced to learn by heart informatin that I will never use.. I still managed but unschooling can definitely be a big help to ND kids. But the challenge on parents can be greater as they often are ND as well
@@aarone9000 Funnily enough I think both right and left are starting to become more authoritarian overall. You have smaller factions in both sides that are far less so but of course they can't ever display it because they go against the main party. But unschooling in particular might be a good way to start educating people in common sense that would allow them to see through authoritarians on both sides. Though ideally there would not be a two sides but as many sides as possible.
Special needs children usually can't be effectively taught in a mainstream environment, but that does not make the mainstream bad, or the child. The kids in the 60% bell area don't need that level of one-on-one and we as a society don't allot the funds to educate that way. There are programs for special needs but it sounds like even those failed you, and that should not have happened. Kudos that you made a way possible for your kid and I hope they make their way with fulfilment.
The main problem with the school's teaching methods are that they are suitable for a thinkless industrial line of work (as demonstrated in Charlie Chaplin's Modern Times), which was fine a few decades ago. But now that many jobs nowadays required more creative thinking and problem-solving, having schools using the same methods for centuries - is very damaging to the kid's future!
the school system is designed to turn children into unquestioning laborers for the rich
I think that public schools needs to be fixed and take some advice from undchooling.
This I totally agree with. In America we need traditional schooling and outside and hands on skills.
@@pisces031372aj exactly. Just like America(and other continents) needed a balance of both organic and industrial agroculture/farming.
We both need a balance between tradition and modernity.
My step mum home edcuated my little brother, since he was clearly falling behind and noone understood him. Pictures of him catching up on work while everyone else is having fun together.
How is he now?
@@sprouts hes doing slightly better now, ofc he has his strengths (like straight up climbing walls) and his weaknesses. But they want to wean him into p2 soon.
Good luck.
Some parents who unschool do that for unsavory reasons, like keeping children ignorant so they don't question religious indoctrination.
As much as school should be modernized, protecting children from ignorance should be a big concern.
I think kids by nature are inquisitive enough to overcome this though i do agree with your point to some extent
children will challenge their parents beliefs and I think a strong family unit is a much better prospect than state induced propaganda which can also leave children ignorant
As a teacher, I've found that having the children in school also allows adults an extra eye to catch abuse. I worked at an elementary school for some years and it was depressing the number of pregnancies we discovered. Usually the father was a family member and the abuse had been ongoing for years. Simply horrible. We also fed children and sent home food, clothes and washed clothes for children, supplied school supplies, laptops and internet access. We also had free dental, physical and eye checkups and supplied hearing aids and glasses. Public schools may not be so great, but many have resources that can save a life.
@@HadassaMoon144 I love the humanity that you have, a really good point that a school can offer more than just education
though this starts to fall into societal issues rather than educational which is not an easy problem to fix with our current political system
or to avoid the woke ideology garbage.
It is a hard subject to tackle. There are some subjects that kind of need a school setting to learn and some that everyone should learn, but the modern schools are burning out kids very quickly with a lot of stuff that might not really be necessary for the masses (points at calculus 2 in high school).
But I think unschooling can run into issues of while some subjects have vast depth to the individual other subjects may never be brought up until it might be an age they don’t want to learn or might have been taught wrong and don’t want to change their way of thinking on it.
Besides I’ve met enough parents that would use unschooling as an excuse to make their child into a servant.
Yes. It’s complimentary!
@sprouts then you should have led with this in the first place. Education is not just an elite system reproducing itself. Too many people around the world despite having had it are still ignorant to what it is and how it could enhance all our lives. If you've ever taught, you'll understand the saying, 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.' There's so much knowledge and skills to be learnt, yet so few people actually utilising it.
@@thescienceloungeIt is not complimentary. Unschooled children can succeed as much (if not more) than schooled peers. How much of what you learned in school actually stuck with you? Adults have to relearn things in adulthood, if they ever get to use anything they learned in school. Unschooled kids learn how to learn instead of being spoon fed information. They are equipped to learn anything at the moment they need it.
This is so refreshing. I agree with unschooling 100%. I never knew there was a name for this until just now when I saw this video. I always had issues with traditional schooling. I HATED my school years, finding it to be mostly boring, stultifying and sometimes terrifying. (I grew up in the 1980s). The powers that be dictated what I should learn and when. Things I wanted to know more about were kept out of my reach, like physics, because I was an "arts" student. Questioning things was often frowned upon. I am a deep thinker and I LOVED to question and argue about many different things. It seems to me learning should be spontaneous and aligned with a person's natural interests no matter how diverse they are. All questions should be met with open answers and encouragement to seek answers from many different sources. Not shrugged off and children made to feel wrong for wanting to know things or disagreeing with the "master" position. Gosh I need to know more about this unschooling. Decades too late for me, but if I can be of use to others in this regard, sign me up.
Sadly many parents use this idea to neglect their kids or keep their kids at home only to do chores w no actual education going on at all.
I agree that parents should have the ultimate responsibility for the education of their children
BUT subjects like algebra must be taught even though it has very has little use in most people’s lives, it teaches logic and problem solving that and most people don’t realize they actually do use it.
Good point!
As someone who was unschooled, I and everyone else I know who is unschooled was taught certain required subjects (like algebra) because it’s required by the state. For me, unschooling was a great experience and I’m glad my parents did it
I start my first year of a good mechanical engineering college this Monday, and I doubt I would have found a love for this occupation/activity if I wasn’t raised the way I was 😊
Parents are not always ultimatly interested in the well beeing of their children. And far more often than that, they are not always wise enough to determine what their children will need, or able to teach them by themself.
I am a kindergarden teacher, so i am pretty convinced of the "children learn by themself through experience"-concept... but it has its limits. There are subjects like basic math and grammar which to many children are not at all interesting, and would be ignored, if the children would make that choice. We basically have to force children to learn it, because without it, their options in life will be very limited.
School definitly is not the best thinkable solution for our children, its just an affordable one. One teacher for 20-30 children is doable. One teacher for 5 children would be better, but incredibly expensive.
But there are many subjects which are best learned with supervision of someone who knows how human beeings learn things. (usually the more complex ones) You cannot learn them via experience, and you cannot learn them as well by just reading a book, without someone who could answer questions about the subject.
So yes, you can get a functioning and probably mentally much more independent adult if you take your child out of school and let it just learn what and when it wants... but don´t expect your child to later make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject. It may still happen, you may have a rare child that manages to teach itself, but the vast majority won´t, and be forced to do manual labour for the rest of their lifes.
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@@Omega0850 "Parents aren't always interested in the well being of their children" - neither are teachers, and I'd bet that more teachers are disinterested than parents.
"Don't expect your child to make their living with a job that requires any deeper knowledge of a subject." - Primary school doesn't prepare kids for most jobs. Like, at all. All it really does is teach them something of a work and study ethic. Which is valuable, mind you, but you don't need a 12 year foundation to get even into STEM fields. And when you're talking about blue collar work, many schools have systematically eliminated those fields of study - agriculture, home ec, shop, etc. Again, not that a long term foundation in those fields is required. Put a 14 year old in an apprenticeship electrician position and he'll be ready to go by the time he's 18.
I definitely think there's a place for schools -- particularly those not burdened by the ennui of public schools (that is, schools that don't rubber stamp their kids), but we definitely need to popularize other options.
I have one son with severe adhd and twin boys with sensory processing disorders, and one also has dyslexia. They were struggling in school socially and academically. They were becoming behavior children and being left behind in the public school setting. I found a good balance for them thru the state offered k12 digital learning school (for free). It allows them to get both schooled and unschooled simultaneously. My one son with dyslexia could barely read more than a 3 letter word at the age of 10. He can now read chapter books. By taking them out of the traditional setting that was overwhelming them, they started to thrive. They have certain classes they attend with traditional teachers and are still meeting state required schooling in a non-traditional setting. My oldest is also taking dual college credit courses as a sophomore. This option will allow them to graduate with a high-school diploma in a way that works for them.
Wonderful. Great that there is that middle way that seem to work well for your kids.
What curriculum do you recommend for a 10 year old with dyslexia?
I’m stuck in the American public schooling system right now; I always find it aggravating whenever I see what we could do better. My grades are quite good, I am obedient, and I do practically all that’s asked of me, yet I never feel like I’ve really learned anything. It annoys me that an ideal education is apparently to beat a student into compliance or, more recently, to evaluate them with arbitrary numbers on arbitrary topics. Cycles of overwhelming stress and sleeplessness usually marked my previous grades. It was near impossible to do something enriching that I enjoyed without compromising a portion of my grade. Most of all, I felt like I was prioritizing something intrinsically useless over my health and well-being. I desperately wanted to express my artistry, creativity, and inventiveness in some form, but I lacked the necessary outlets while striving for academic success. As someone who participates in the modern school system, I can say it is mostly useless for the modern world.
Still, there are fundamental things that need coverage to avoid public ignorance. The U.S. is facing an education crisis existing since its education system’s creation. There is a lack of geographical coverage and the curriculum is obsolete if not devolving. Politicians with less than selfless motives choose ignorance and compliance over general welfare. Still, several masses have poor conceptions of essential subjects like evolution, human caused climate change, and even literacy. Truthfully, I don’t know how much the state or parents should micromanage education. Then again, who is any one person to decide what’s best for another? Maybe an ideal system a balance between the parent and state involvement, or maybe we need to include educators, academics, and students into the discussion.
Sorte sua, pois no Brasil ainda temos crianças que trabalham na infância, estão fora da escola e não sabem nem ler. Veja por outro lado.
The school (and home) condition all of us to have less respect for the young and their voices/views than the old, despite the fact the old tend to be more entrenched in their ways, bias and have lived longer in a damaging environment which conditions them to think and act a certain way, student's voices should be first and foremost as nobody knows more about your mental health than you and you are the one who should be served.
The schooling system since the 1860's has not had anything to do with education, (please read my comment above I mention it a little bit there too) the creators of it explicitly said it was to "defang" the populace, decrease the chances of revolution against government, train obedience and subservience to authority and create docile worker's for their new factories who'll accept lot's of menial boring work for little pay, learn to compete against one another, not make mistakes (even though mistakes are good school conditions us like pavlovian dogs away from them) and this isn't a complete list sadly.
The further one gets away from this model the greater their mental health, well being and performance across the board in literacy, math and everything else gets, this is why homeschoolers who reject this model public schooling has adopted out perform schooler's on all of the above, report higher levels of happiness and remember more of everything too and why unschoolers (because they're even further from the damaging "prussian" schooling model) outperform them and are happier, people learned for thousands and thousands of years before the invention of this and countless people today still do, we don't need something had nothing to do with education to educate us.
One of the worst things this model has conditioned/fooled everyone into believing is that education is some desperately needed thing which must be ""enforced" and is only okay to enforce on minors (but anyone else it's disrespectful or immoral) despite the fact nobody has a stronger innate learning drive than children, learns faster, is more open to it and the ignorance of them (unlike with adults) doesn't jeopardise the world, think voting in politicians constantly who everyone hates and could nuke the world, how close we've come to this disaster and how adult ignorance has already caused countless disasters including countless genocides and you realise how much more severely important it is that these people with the power know what they're doing, yet we still object to forcing them to know, if it's not mandatory to educate people with that power to make sure they use it wisely it shouldn't be anyone else.
Dr. Peter Gray among other's talk extensively about the harms of coercive/compulsory schooling in various books and articles, please google them and never support it.
I am working in IT and most things I learned, I didn't learn from schools, I learned them through gaming, home projects and the old way of trail and error. That's the story for also most other people in IT. Because IT grows and shifts extremely fast you can't learn in the way schools to it.
It is telling that you use “threw” and “trail and error” instead of “through” and trial and error”.
@@borysnijinski331 Thanks for noticing that English is my 2. language.
This is a major failure of modern public education unfortunately and I say that as a high school teacher of 15 years. This happened for reasons not usually discussed, definitely not in this video, which involved trying to run the education system like a business where students are numbers. The view the public education system is stuck in the past or held back by interest groups is wrong as the problem is much more difficult to deal with because it goes against the Capitalist Mentality of many Americans and this channel. Schools changed to meet the needs of their customer, which were never students in this set-up, but politicians and bureaucrats.
Thanks for sharing! And yes, allocating resources (public or private) are another dimension that ads to the problem.
@@sprouts I do really appreciate and respect what y'all do even if my response might seem critical. I use your content in my advanced Psychology and Sociology classes in a Florida Title I High School. This issue always fires me up but keep up the great work!
Amen @chrishendricks7362. I have 2 daughters that are teachers. One bolted the first year, the other finally called it quits after 12 years. The expectation seems to have shifted from teaching the children to raising the children, but their sweet angels are never wrong and Karen Mom makes life hell for those that try to bring the brats to a behavior that will not detract from the whole oversized class. In most industries you get more pay in hazardous environments, but the opposite applies for the teachers caught between parents with unrealistic expectations, students with poor social skills and a school board that punishes those that care. The surviving teachers are for the most part automatons because they have been beaten down and get through the day by shutting off emotionally. Who in their right mind wants be a teacher now? If you have a retention/recruitment problem, it is certainly not the workers that created it.
@@sprouts Where was ANY of this nuance in your video? Take this garbage down - You're supposed to be an educational channel, not a rightwing apologist.
@@SethHirschman why rightwing apologist? that seems like a leap
I did learn something at school, I can't remember what it was now. Looking back, not only was it a complete waste of that part of my life, it also caused mental damage that I still live with now (52yo). Very damaging experience, definitely ruined my life.
I get to be an engineer because of schooling.
I agree with you. It's damaged me mentally (though I'm only 29) & was a waste of my time considering I don't remember anything from it except all the trauma. I've been trying to take college classes for 11 years now to get a better chance at my dream job, but it's so hard when all I'm doing is reliving all the bad parts from elementary thru high school
@@borysnijinski331Who told you that unschoolers don’t become engineers, too? Unschooling is about learning how to learn and explore your interests. The child can take it as far as he/she wants, and that includes preparing for and going to college if that aligns with personal goals.
@@borysnijinski331 You get to be an engineer because of engineering classes down outside of school, when we say "school" we're talking about all the compulsory stuff not things like medical school or law school or engineering, yes they accept applicant's because of things done in prior school but it's not because of things you learned in prior school you could do engineering, it was all irrelevant to it and didn't actually make you qualified for it. Also worth nothing it doesn't invalidate or even counteract the gentlemen's account you're referring to in which he asserts it ruined his life, people's lives being ruined wouldn't be okay because we wanted to be engineers, if we want to be that we can pursue it and will even have much more time to do so without schooling in our way and that guys life can also go unruined (and millions of other's) it's a win for everyone.
School was a dampener to my spirit!
It can be, because of a lack of resources, we are not always able to pursue a child's interests due to the reality of time restraints. (or the fact that the teacher may be tied down trying to deal with an out of control student .
Unschoolers learn useful information that will help them in the real world. They are emotionally mature, develop communication skills and have a healthy relationship with others. Through homeschooling we learn: the difference between right and wrong, to discover and have faith in themselves, to manage into the real world, that it's normal to make mistakes, that nothing is easy, that nothing is obtained easily, intelligent hard work pays off, to be patient and productive, to establish realistic goals and pursue them, to cultivate their talents, skills and abilities, how to control their emotions, self-discipline, self-love, self-respect, to not be people pleasers, to organize their schedule for the day, to respect traditions, real culture and values, that things can be done if they put their mind into it, to live every moment, to cherish life at every age etc. We also get a chance to spend more time with our family and loved ones, and according to Gatto, we are safe. We don't have to worry what some strangers think of us, or that we'll be bullied the moment we go outside.
“If School didn’t exist, everyone would be smarter and we would have more genius kids” 😂
It's true. Schools are indoctrination centres
Doubt it; we would have people under skilled and not able to participate in the workplace and also not understand civics well enough to be good citizens.
@@andrewalderman9489Curiously, there were more skilled people, philosophers, inventors, geniuses, when school was not the norm.
@@dumbphonemom proof ?
@@andrewalderman9489 Don’t you know any history?
I can see how unschooling could also help with making sure that your child isn't forced to conform to a specific set of political views (which seems to be getting more and more common to the point of grading the kid's well written essays poorly because the teacher has a different opinion). There's still more downsides to that in my opinion though:
- In schools the curriculums are not optimally adjusted to everyone's skills, but still everyone's (hopefully) being taught by actual professionals, not parents who may not have enough knowledge. It's possible to hire tutors, but that means raising the costs of teaching and makes the whole unschooling more school-like.
- Grading may me stressful, but it's actually a reasonable way of assessing students' skills.
- If this practice becomes too popular, we'll simply get lots of illiterate people not taught properly because not all parents who'd try it would be actually capable of educating their children in other ways.
Instead of unschooling, we should improve the schools. Let's make sure the teachers are not trying to use their power for political indoctrination (I still remember my high-school teacher talking bad about a specific politician during the class despite the subject having nothing to do with it. Or my university math teacher talking more about how he hates a specific political party than about math) and that they're actually knowledgable about new technologies (my high school IT teacher literally taught me about a very old HTML version and TurboPascal which was already no longer used for many many years. It's still better than my middle school IT teacher who knew less about the subject than many of her students). Let's fix the subjects where the teachers don't do much at all like my old art classes where we weren't really taught how to draw or paint and were simply given supplies and told to paint something. Or the PE classes where the teacher gives the group of students a ball, tells them to play soccer and then doesn't even pay attention to what they're doing.
Nice idea but only in an ideal world: If your parents work long hours, earn just enough to get by, and you stay at home with brother(s) and / or sister(s),you don‘t have many books but a TV, a smartphone, a computer - and the world outside is a big city, where there isn‘t a community that teaches you anything worthwhile, apart from shopping maybe, unschooling is neglect. It leads to injustice, poverty for many more, and a few wonderfully creative and well/self-educated people, who have never met the poor, who lost in the DNA lottery.
I feel like social studies needs to be taught in public schools because of how illogical and biased some parents can be when it comes to politics.
The concept of unschooling sounds a bit too delusional on a big scale. It requires a family that genuinely wants the best for the children with plenty of time, money, and resources to apply all the goals mentioned. In reality, families often consider that kids only deserve what's more convenient for parents. So they can still grow up without critical thinking and open-mindedness if that's what the parents set them to be. High-quality schools can focus on kids' individuality, creativity, and curiosity while offering the students access to knowledge from specialized teachers and the opportunity to share an environment with different people.
"The child himself is the curriculum." ~ Rudolf Steiner
"Many highly schooled people are uneducated, and many highly educated people are unschooled." ~ Milton Friedman
Sounds amazing. Super curious how a society as such would look like when we no longer have all these shared beliefs of truths. Would we just fall back to religious warfare, or would this kind of mindset overcome that. By having developed a mindset that would approaches that different. Because they would have learned how to adapt to the (dynamic) world, rather than using their applied knowledge of their (static) world.
I think it would depend on what source materials were required. I think there needs to be a shared belief in what maintains a free society and only one set of truths for education. That being said, religious beliefs are not the responsibility of the school and should be avoided in any way. Even comparative religious studies should be avoided until the student is in perhaps the senior year when they have theoretically developed adult reasoning. Up to that point, only respect of others could cover religion.
@@Ribberflavenous Required source materials are what "unschoolers" oppose.
@@BuildinWings I don't see how you can develop a society without some standardization of facts. If facts are a problem for 'unschoolers' then I have a problem with 'unschoolers'.
Does unschooling teach children to look at issues from more than one perspective, to question things and to analyze them critically? because there's none of that here.
It's telling that the listed key reasons for unschooling are what teachers are being taught to take into account and design their classes around. As in, take the students' interests into account, let them solve problems by themselves etc.
Do teachers really do that? It’s not possible with their schedules and number of students. Every student is different.
@@dumbphonemom Well, ideally they do. Realistically, it's often not possible, as you said.
So it's mostly not even the teachers' fault, but the education system's.
I don’t agree with unschooling and here’s why:
Having the ability to unschool is for middle upper and upper class people. To unschool, a parent would need to stay home part or full time to make sure the student is learning - while still making enough money to live a comfortable life. Lower class people just can’t afford to take time off work for that.
And with no current standardized lessons there will be many unschooled students graduating without having proper reading / math skills. We don’t want American students falling behind even more than they already are.
It would be better to spend this time trying to reform our public schools with more practical lessons and job training.
Unschooling and homeschooling is just rich people “ jumping ship” from a failing system instead of contributing money to help make it better.
"Rich people jumping ship" is a great way to put it, well said
I myself whom is a teacher in a preschool. Teaches kids by having them explore in their very own way. We take them outside as much as we possibly can. My mom, who subs for one school district, sees a lot of hands-on experiences and a lot of reaching out to children's needs. The other is not so much. One teacher didn’t care if a kid answered the standardized test questions correctly. She stated that the test just needed to be finished and submitted.
I myself often thought about the direction that schools have been going. There's no doubt that one day our future kids will go to school because my husband and I will have to work to live. But with whatever subjects our future kids will be learning. I'd be happy to take them to museums and admerse them in such a subject when not at school the same way my parents did.
While I understand the idea, as a student I think having to rely on my parents for my educations sounds problematic. First of all, I don't think people realize the time and skill it takes to teach someone something, especially if they aren't fast learners. What if the learner really needs more help than parents or life can give? Second some information you can't 'just learn from life' for example for most of us neither parent or life could teach us about chemistry, or geometry, both of which are very difficult to learn and much more difficult to teach. Even if the educator knew the material well. Third, having to be around new people and step out of your comfort zone and deal with stress are all skill in themselves and must be learnt. I learned to work with my peers by being in school, I developed interests outside of my comfort zone because school required extra curriculars. And i learned how to deal with problems and stresses by working through school. These things can't be attained by staying in the safety and comfort of the home. And finally, the amount of time needed to self-teach someone isn’t compatible with the average working-class schedule. Which means that in such an arraignment the learner would need the appropriate social background to make such an arrangement feasible, which takes away from the third reasoning, which branches into a need to know and meet peers from other backgrounds. Because of this i think Un-schooling is impractical and as a public-school student would not want it from myself, but as the video mentioned; not all students are the same. It's entirely possible this system would work really well for others.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🏢 School system resembles corporate culture with meetings and instructions.
00:59 📚 Modern schooling influenced by Frederick the Great, aimed at unification and literacy.
01:31 🌍 Global adoption of state-controlled compulsory education.
02:34 📖 Unschooling: Learning outside traditional classrooms, through life experiences.
03:37 🧠 Reasons for unschooling: Parent-child relationship, individualized learning, autonomy.
04:43 🎒 Unschoolers explore diverse interests, ask 'why learn', go deeper than schools.
05:15 📝 Traditional schooling's impact on anxiety, conformity, and learning strategies.
05:58 💬 Exploring perspectives on unschooling, state vs. parental control over education.
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Very accurate episode. The saying "the way the hammer shapes the hand" comes to mind. Adopting corporate or military methods for teaching guts the humanity out of our children.
I like that quote. Never heard it before.
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I think absolutely pure unschooling isn't the best. You still need some form of formal classes sometimes. Something like Outschool or classes at the museum or something. But what public school does to children, or even most private schools, is absolutely horrendous. I plan to do some form of homeschooling one day, probably a very eclectic approach
The unschooling has many pros, but it also depends heavily on how strict and organized the parents are when choosing what to teach the child. It could be a great success but it can also be a major failure if not done correctly. Say what you want about schools and teachers but it also teaches kids how to deal with others, especially when it's unpleasant. Most of the time we dont have the luxury of walking away from people we find unpleasant. Worse, try to work with individuals who refuse to work with you.
True!
As long as my child learns how to read and complex math that supports their ability to think for themselves I don't care how it gets done.
So you would be okay with corporal punishment for wrong answers? (Yes, I am going to the extreme, but in some places, it still happens. )
Unschooling is just like the old GURUKUL system in ancient India, its one of the best way to educate a child
Oh!
There are way too many idiots out there to leave the decision up to each set of parents. Plus, what if this kid wants to go to university? How would they ever get in? This may have worked in a commune type setting, but there are no villages to help raise a child in the west any longer.
The main problem I have with unschooling is that if all children did unschooling most of them wouldn’t know how to read or write. In my opinion Elementary School and Middle School teaches you all the basic math, reading and writing you need to know so High school is not needed. I think children should go to school till 9th grade then that’s the end of it and if you want more education you can get it if you want.
Unfortunately homeschooling relies on trusting the parents to actually know what theyre talking about and what to teach their kids.
In my opinion, a great deal of those who have resources, time and knowledge, have always seen for their children's best education interest. However, the majority of school systems are generalized, they hardly ever have the requirements to consider individuals. Most of us, if not all, tend to favor those comments which best suit our current situation or way of thinking, and forget the reasons why society supported certain systems. So, as a former teacher, do not judge them all the same, a great majority of teachers, are in between our moral judgment, peer pressure, supervisors, parents and children. And it doesn't matter how many years of giving your best, show results, or how many students still write you, telling you how much you changed their lives for the best, or the awards you have, all it takes, is one person who doesn’t like you enough, and sufficient inffluence, to disrupt your balance. In conclusion, if you have the means to help your children's education, do it, no one cares for children more than a parent, but if you need to send them to an institution, help the teachers help your children, and work with them, because, odds are, pay is not that high, so, they probably like teaching.
While I like how you explain the potential pros of unschooling, I think that not addressing the cons of it is a big mistake. While I agree that, in an ideal setting, unschooling might be better for a child then going to school, there are a lot of things that can go wrong. For example, not learning some of the basics that are taught throughout primary and middle school could make a person very ignorant to many things in the world (for example not knowing the some basic geography, history or math or some core scientific principles in physics, chemistry and biology). Additionally not going through a formal education sistem and simply "learning through life" might not give you enough expertise in any particular field to work at anything else then at McDonalds.
To sumarize (so that I don't turn this into a thesis), while ideally not going to school could work, there would be numerous examples of parents being ignorant to what a child should learn and not sending them to shcool while not providing a decent alternative education, which is why at least primary and middle school ought to be compulsory, even if they might sometimes feel like a waste of time. And I think if you do a video on the topic you should address those problems.
The problem is that those basic things you name aren't taught at all in schooling, the vast majority of student's come out not knowing geography, history or math whilst those unschooled/home schooled routinely outperform them on these topics and remember *much* more of what they've learned, it's inevitable that if you force anyone to learn something boring to them they'll almost certainly forget it, never use it and because they had it forced on them be put off now pursuing it even when they had an interest in it before. Math people will 100% use calculators, as it's faster than their brains, they're more confident in it's conclusion and it can do bigger sums, whether they were unschooled or public school they'll all be able to just do this rendering learning it much less important than it was before, same with writing everyone's just going to type so whilst not completely useless it's getting increasingly so, everything evolves.
Coercive learning is psychologically damaging, compulsory schooling is coercive learning, there's been a lot written about this Dr. Peter Gray is only one place we can start but lot's have pointed out in books, articles how it damages us and why it's not necessary, humans have something called an "innate learning drive" we are born with it (why little kids ask "why" constantly) and it's why we don't need to freak out so much about teaching language or ask "what if kids don't wanna learn how to speak?" and it's why reading/writing existed in every generation all the way into thousands of years BC and maintained itself throughout all that time without any of the resources we have today being passed down through every generation for much much longer than coercive schooling has and why the further one gets from compulsory schooling the higher their literacy and math actually become.
Hey! I prefer unschooling because that you can learn the types of things in which we are interest and decide what we want to do
Thanks for sharing
Obviously doesn't teach English language usage.
So no discipline developed in doing a task that is not 'fun' but still required? I think that is called a toddler.
Not always.
@@forpcb yes bro but unschooling have real life experiences which are more better than thorey....
Schooling does more than just teach, albeit so much of it is useless facts. It teaches to Interact when you teach your child at home they lose this coping skill. Surviving in the real, World becomes problematic.
That is true.
Schools don't have to be that way. I taught in a very small northern Canadian community college. Our classes were around 5-10 students each. We could adapt what had to be taught to what the students wanted. For example I taught Into to Physical Anthropology. One student took the course focusing on skills he would need as a police officer and another was learning how to Anthropology to improve her writing career.
I remain skeptical. The panel at 5:42 says it all to me. The quiet part is said out loud, and remains wrong.
I am a retired school teacher. The system is useless! Teacher are given a syllabus and must follow it. No thinking or creativity for either for students or teachers. The homework is ridiculous! Left no time for a child to spend quality time with parents. I taught my son at home with many acres of woodland. He aced university and had scholarships. 🤗
I have a son with severe autism and behavioral issues. I’m concerned he will hurt a teacher, himself, or another student at school. I was picking him up every other day. He is non verbal severely disabled and not potty trained. Public School is not working for him. Alternative schooling at home works much better and allows him time to calm himself before starting again.
I agree with many of the negative points made about schools. However expecting parents to produce an equivalent education to educational professionals is just wishful thinking. They tried something like this in schools in France and it failed very badly. Modern technology and investment release is from spending most of our time on survival. Instead we spend our time trying to be rich while everyone else tries the same. This means most of us occupy jobs five days a week that we could really do in far less time. I believe we have the capacity to spend more effort on education increasing the number of teachers and reducing class sizes. How about one teacher for every five students. Many of those negatives will go away then because the teacher has more time to customise the learning experience.
Excellent point!
I think parents should choose what the children learn. However I think there are some upsides to going to school. Mostly I just can’t think how you would have an unschool band.
Yeah, my biggest concern is band, priorities.
the Unscooling you describe in this is more reflective of a freeform homeschooling where the parents try to hit the major points but focus more on life skills than academics, I have previously heard the term Unschooling used by people trying make their kids unlearn things taught in schools such as science and literacy for either religious reasons such as beliefs conflicting with science, or for selfish reasons like making kids artificially illiterate or infantilised for purposes like government support payments or to keep the child as "their baby" forever.
As someone from a family that forced me to go through the school system. (They even expect me to go to college, they care very much about my thingy for getting into college.) I hated school ever since I was forced to retake 1st grade because "I didn’t had friends". Wow. Not like they don't ever give opportunity to make friends and I'm already very braindead at when recess comes to the point I find it better to be alone and that most or all of the kids do not click with me. Nope it's me. (That was around 2016 or 2017.)
Now I'm going to high school. And my family is pushing me to be the top of the class (grade of the school wide i think). I even heard my mom that I would be sad if I "got any lower". True. I would still be sad if i got thr top. I would only be fucking truly happy if i drop-out and do whatever the hell I want. Because I know i'm more likely going to be a criminal or terrorist the more I go to that hell.
I seriously challenge everyone to learn about the experience, research and findings of John Taylor Gatto concerning the American education system.
The need to end this institution is very real.
Bells every 45 minutes or so damage developing minds.
Unfortunately, most cannot afford the time or money, or are not prepared emotionally or informationally to engage with alternatives effectively.
Nevertheless we must find a way because there is very much a causal link between modern institutional education methods and the lack of the very resources listed above.
Helluva catch-22, but here we are.
This is all good and well, and I agree with a lot in this video - but I also think many schools have evolved. We have a great school and teacher. But my kid is not a 'fit in a box' kind of child. She is struggling.
Most homes have full-time working parents tho... so neither unschooling nor homeschooling are realistic options for most of us.
Unschooling would mean that what education a child would get depends 100% on what parents he or she will be born to. The perpetuation of the same class capital of knowledge.
Sociologists like Bourdieu have already shown that the current school system has a very limited effect on an effective social ladder.
If generlised, it will probably take only a couple of generations for unschooling to become a nightmare.
A long time is spent getting yeld at or getting in trouble for things they didn't do.like great not only do kids get stuck inside all day but they can miss out out on what little outside time they get because most teachers punish first ask questions never.
I still think homeschooling is the best thing for students. I REALLY wish I could have been homeschooled--I know I could have turned out better because schools don't teach the kids anything. I got most of my knowledge from reading books, & I have the intelligence today for a Bachelor of Science or Bachelor of Arts degree in that area!😊
You gotta be careful with it though :p. Many people unschool or homeschool to indoctrinate children themselves, or to make sure they don't count any "inconvenient secrets", particularly those of abuse.
the thing is unschooling might work really well for someone but employers may not hold the opinion of the benefits of unschooling and they might favor classically schooled individuals and the unschooled person will struggle to find a conventional, well paying job, regardless of if they're smarter or not than their competition
i tried to find your website, which mentioned at the end of the video, but i can't! could you help me to share the link? thanks!
I still go to school and i feel calm and even comfort at school, we rarely take tests and we achieve many things
Omg your school seems good where is it
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@@Im_voidy_lol I mean which country
If the parent has the time and discipline to learn the subjects and techniques, there will never be a better way for kids to learn. It is also inherently limited as only one view point is being presented, and is particularly dangerous when radical ideologies are being indoctrinated with inaccurate source materials. If the parent is required to use approved materials and tested independently for proficiency in the material, and approval of that home schooling is dependent on that proficiency, I am all for it. Unfortunately, if you look at the setbacks in education tied to the Covid outbreak, I think there is evidence that the parents are falling short, however well meaning they are. The households that can basically operate on a single income so that one can take on the educational responsibilities are few, so what is to be done for the people that need both incomes or are single parents? I also don't agree that creating worker drones with centuries old factory style learning is the way to go either. There are numerous very good learning programs that could be coupled with in-session testing that could adhere to standardized curriculum material that approach the subjects in a variety of ways. Also remember that little Johnny has to cope with an employer's expectations, so learning skills cannot be totally tailored to their likes, they have to learn to cope with the environment they will enter as an adult. Screens are the way kids view the world now, for good or ill, so why not reach them in a way that they can digest? We will still need teachers to evaluate what methods are best for each student and help them with whatever they are struggling with, but that would be much more individualized and address learning challenges more effectively than just pounding them into a square hole.
As someone who despise school this is informative and more people should understand this that and there are more dangers about public schools than someone doing a shooting.
Like letting you graduate with such poor writing ability?
@@SethHirschman or not teaching anything at all.
@@ringneck7500 So your reading comprehension is also poor.
@@SethHirschman sadly yes
I have this burning desire of unschooling my child (which is extremely rare here) and prepare for his/her future in a good manner so that he/she will learn the required subjects but also explore alot of things. I am planning on this even before my marriage now since few years.
Meanwhile, my nieces who live with my for most of the times are not forced to ace their school syllabus but only learn and understand it.
The forced system of schools, their unnecessary loads of tests and grades systems doesn't feel good to me.
I would have done so much better to be unschooled, I found school boring, boring, boring. I did a 3 year course in 2020 -2022 that was interesting and very demanding, got all A's for each year.
Many of people won't learn their kids AT ALL if there was no school. I think school system needs to be changed, not replaced.
Home schooling and unschooling suggests that attending school isn't in the best interest of a child and contributes passivity, lack of internal motivation, conformity yadda yadda. American school systems have heen pressurized politically to the point where they are being held responsible for not just educating children but raising them as well. See the comment listed about the clothing, dental care etc provided in many of today's schools and consider the lack of support for schools by society as a whole. We don't rally around our kids in a constructive way. I'm thinking of the little league type of competitive parent. Linking school finance to attendance has unintended consequences as wel. Children are more likely to attend school on special event days which tend to distract kids from the tasks at hand. I consider anything labled "pajama day" a total disruption . Untill we stand together as a society and reallistically consider what American education should provide, we will continue to suffer the consequences of fragmentation and confusion. Teachers see the result of school districts grasping for straws to raise test scores and compete with more and more public (but privately run) schools.There are many examples of fine educational practice in the US and in other countries. We need to listen and learn from others in order to completely reform our school systems in the US. We can't assume what we know anything including the goals of the society for the children , the understanding of the rolls of parents, how children learn and what is inportant for the 21st century. This is as important as winning WWll or going to the moon.
Yes yes yes to taking children out of the public system!
I have had projects on my shoulders that if successful would provide more money for me, more secure jobs for my colleagues, and more jobs for my company and I have never felt so much pressure as taking an exam in school.
it is foremost a person's liberty and should not be deprived by the government.
Honestly, because schools seem to be more grooming, indoctrination and memorize focused, then actually teaching kids how to rationally think for themselves, provide information, life skills etc.
More kids are molested by their parents than their teachers. By all means, take away kids' ability to speak out though. You're doing a great job of selling them to your priests.
The difference between teaching and grooming is entirely subjective.
@@phanomtaxskibididoodoo Not really. Because showing sexual content like teaching kids how to give blowjobs, is universally considerd grooming and if you think otherwise, please post your address, name and other personal information so that the ones who are more sane, can put you 6ft under.
I get what you tried to say, but you utterly failed and said something moronic.
Spoken like someone who wants to indoctrinate a child to know only what they want them to know. Factual or not. Children should learn facts, even the ones parents don't like or understand. When you only give then half facts you're doing them a disservice.
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I am the one against indoctrination. Since schools groom and indoctrinate kids into the "facts" they like. It's better to remove the grooming and take your chance with the parents. At least with the parents, the odds are higher kids actually learn to think for themselves.
So you're wrong.
I have seen unschoolers! They dont seem smart! Children needs either school or home school
Can you tell in what countries is it happening because your viewers are from around the world and don't have the same backgrounds to be all in the same page.
The rapid evolution of artificial intelligence will completely re-frame the debate over this issue.
I am shocked that school even exists.
As an kid with aspergers syndrome, i am in school but in better way, online school, while in school they bully you and make fun of + give a load of stress, in online school theres no bullying and no social life (witch i prefer). But i can imagine the posibilities of unschooling
I think it will be nicer to have a in between like maybe not long school hours perhaps they could work together
When I become a teacher I don’t want to school, I want to unschool although it will be hard I’m determined to make the best learning environment for future generations as best as I can
I wanted to ditch school since 10th grade because I grew totally disinterested in its field (I go to a vocational school), they teach almost nothing of value (math is at at an insanely barebones vocational level, also no chemistry or physics classes) and leech off 9 hours of my daily life of which I had plans for and on top of that I had no good friends to connect with. But my dad didn't allow it because he thinks that without school you immediately become a good-for-nothing idiot or something. So for two years I just kept struggling and trying to juggle all sorts of mental and real life issues and fallen into multiple dark places, I just kept dreaming about how I could use all that free time to study on my own, go to the gym, learn stuff like cooking and music (things I still wish today). I'm in grade 12 now and I only go to school on 2 days of the week and it feels so much better than all the previous years. Even though I spend even more time at my internship, doing something I couldn't care less about, I still feel better than ever because I have so much more freedom and flexibility here than school. Don't get me wrong though, I'd still leave this system in a heartbeat if I could. I wish I did, all those years ago.
I'm not even really against a school-type system, it's why I'm working towards a university/academia life, it's just that the one I was in was so completely against my interests and lifestyle that I'd rather circumsize myself with a chainsaw than go to through my middle-high school years again. Also covid was a thing. That helped ruin my life too.
If you review one of your other videos in this series titled "Cipolla’s 5 Laws of Human Stupidity" it should become instantly and abundantly clear why letting parents "unschool" their children is actually a horrible idea. So, although I am not convinced that the state should decide what and how to teach, I am even less thrilled with the idea of this "unschooling." Here's a novel idea... how about having trained educators involved in these decisions? There is a reason they put us through a 4-year program where we are taught how the human brain and human development work, how to recognize and respond to learning disabilities, how to teach students how to think rather than what to think, and other handy disciplines like how to distinguish valid from invalid sources of information. It's almost as if someone thought people should specialize in teaching the same way medical professionals specialize in various areas of human health, so when you need heart surgery, you don't have to go to a hairstylist or toilet plumber. Sheesh
this is really good explained
I am a hater of schools myself, I never had the feeling I learned much and my character flaws align with this videos description of the effects of school shockingly well, but I still cannot agree with you on this one. Parents should not have power over their childs education for the following reasons:
Teachers, bullies and learning pressure in schools can be very destructive, but many parents are toxic themselfes. Its quite common for parents to pressure their kids way more than the teachers do, other parents will only neglect their responsebilities of education if they get this task from schools.
Schools can be socially important, children can meet friends there if they have some, or flee their home for a few hours a day. Many of us experienced the school as a prison, but good parents cannot be taken for granted and oftentimes the home can be the prison too, schools through their unique focus on children can be a stabilising force against bad parents.
Even many good parents might not have the money and time to live without schools or they might not be educated enough themselfes to educate their children. Also, being a good parent is already very expensive in many countries, it should be made cheaper rather than more unaffordable.
As a history nerd I know how schools indoctrinate their students in some subjects, like religion, politics or history. But they also serve as a realitycheck, very religious or very ultranationalistic parents would use the power of education to create filterbubbles around their kids if schoolduty git abolished.
Schools might not serve their duty as learning facilities very well, but they can garantee a basic level of knowledge and that students have at least heard of the major subjects once. In a time where even basic knowledge in many more niche subjects is declared irrelevant this can be especially important to give kids more different perspectives, make them more tolerant to people with niche jobs or hobbies, show them that the dominant culture of their birthnation is only one culture out of many and not how things have to be done, allow for a greater choice of jobs later and prevent other (mis)information hubs like the media or politicly powerful ideas and branches to take complete power.
An official education institution is of course only as powerful as the state it is part of, for example in the US the school system isnt really able to be a counterbalance to stupid religious ideas like "Intelligent Design" or political ideas like Homophobie anymore, but usually the improvement of the school system is almost always preferable to the replacement of it.
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The average cost per student per year is $12,612. The average family has two children. If this tax burden was shifted away from inefficient and ineffectual public schools, and instead toward parents who want to put in the work to educate their children properly, a _great_ many families who cannot currently afford to have a parent stay home full time and educate their children (which is statistically the single greatest predictor for lifelong success) would be able to. The concerns around families "indoctrinating" their children or neglecting them is so overblown as to be nothing short of fear mongering. Homeschooling parents are the same as you... they want what's best for their children. Does it really make sense that someone who was indifferent to their child's well-being would willingly take on the additional work of homeschooling when there's a state funded daycare that will even pick up the kids from home for them?
As a side note, I really would encourage you to reconsider your stance on how much power a government should have over children and the trend toward its preclusion of parental Rights. As a fellow "history nerd", I've never known a society in which the state undermined the role of the parent, and didn't also veer into Authoritarianism. Our Rights are meaningless if they don't allow for things that you or I might disagree with, and a government which controls what you say or what you believe is objectively evil.
I mistakenly reference the 2018 data... as of 2022 the US average is actually $15,240 per student per anum.
This approach would be great if all parents were smart enough, had the proper knowledge, and would take the time to educate. This will not happen. Exclamation point. This appears to be almost a libertarian view of all doing the right thing for the benefit of society. Uh, they won't. So, we have institutional education. People won't do what would be necessary to have an educated society. I wish humans weren't human. I don't trust us. Life reinforces that every second. People don't share the same values or worldview. We would sadly have such an unbalanced distribution of knowledge that living and working together would be untenable. What we have is very imperfect. But with a willy-nilly approach on a crowded planet, I don't know how things could be better. Implants of basic knowledge may be the future. Beyond that, have at it.
Glad my parents pulled me from school really early.
Thank You for help and education Jesus!
Yes, I do like your way of simplifying explanations and using animations to explore issues, but presenting something like schooling itself in this straw man way adds nothing to anyone’s understanding of unschooling or schooling, or even deschooling as we call it here in the UK. It would be a better video by being more balanced on both sides.
people "unschooled their children since the beginning of time and where did it get them or society.? People have only been schooled in the past 100 yrs and that's why we have advanced from peasantry and fuedalism.
Progress says parents are redundant,
While colleges make experts abundant,
Can kids pass the test,
Or does father know best,
Consider though that it's the parents that love the student.
I think that the human are super smart and they learn to do/be things we can’t imagine, but to be able to learn it from young age. The age that is being waisted is what called School.
So, it's Frederic The Great's fault that we go to school and it is the way it is?! That bastard!
No wonder. He had good intentions but now we know why school makes everyone miserable.
As a former teacher, I fully agree public schools are horrible. If possibly, get your gets into a better education system. Private, home, religious, anything but public school.
I will unschool my little brother 😊 because school does not teach us how to make money, as long he becomes good in English and Mathematics he's out.
Fantastisch!!! Gelukkig gaan steeds meer mensen het inzien dat dit de oplossing is voor onze kinderen van de Toekomst! ❤🫶🙏
My school has so much hw AHH
I am a teacher and an advocate for education...but I home school my own children. Hmmmmmmm....
Schools are a waste of life
School should prepare you to be a working member of society. Big firms/corporations will give you tasks and deadlines, and also rewards or punishments depending on if the tasks are finished successfully and if the deadlines are met. Also, there is expectation of punctuality, obedience to the authority and professionalism. I'm not sure you can learn most of that at home and just learning on your own. Especially regarding particular fields like medicine, engineering, chemistry etc. You do need some sort of boring formal education to kick-start your learning curve in a specific field and then later you can independently build on the foundation you learned at school.
The other thing is, I don't know about hiring tutors and learning through traveling part. Most of us don't have money to continuously learn that way. In my country, schooling is generally very affordable for most of people (especially comparing to other countries), even at the university level because most of us are eligible for state-sponsored scholarships.
This sounds like a great idea, but seems too unfeasible to me.
“85 percent of adults are literate” that other 15% show up at my job every night and can’t read the closed sign right at their eye level
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Nah, those parents simply have the knowledge to understand that you always have no, but their is still a chance of yes if you ask.
They are wise ones, maybe learn from them.
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Your hard-right apologetics are showing.
Students in China: So familiar