Real Talk About Unschooling Teens (Part 1 of 4)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- The first in a 4 part series on the realities of unschooling teenagers and young adults.
Real Talk AND words of encouragement from an unschooling mom of four kids ages 20, 18, 14, and 11.
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Sandra Dodd's Big Book of Unschooling (please note, I have mixed feelings about how she interacts with other parents online, but I find her philosophy and practical experience with unschooling very helpful):
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As unschoolers, we felt that teaching our daughter how to learn things for herself was one of the most important things we could do for her.
I really enjoy hearing Ruth speak about her experience. Especially so if she can speak uninterrupted. :)
Loved getting to hear from Ruth, but I'd like to hear from her uninterrupted. I know that she speaks more slowly than is typical for a RUclips video, but maybe you could cut long pauses or have the questions asked ahead of time so she can answer concisely. Or just accept that her answers will add more time onto the video. I really liked hearing about her two math class experiences!
I told her I was making this video and she asked if she could contribute her opinion, but the only time I found to ask her questions was right in the middle of her painting, and we didn't have time to prep anything.
If she wants to talk more, I can definitely ask her if she wants to script something out :)
Mom you need to take a class about not interrupting people. Let your daughter talk.
Loved hearing from Ruth! I was kind of unintentionally unschooled. My brother and I had a single mom who worked from home and she used a very hands-off video religious curriculum. My brother and I naturally dove into subjects that interested us and blew off ones that didn't, which she wouldn't notice until the end of the semester when we'd fill out all the tests from the teacher's manual so she could turn them in. When I tested into college at 14, it became a flex for her to show off how good a homeschool mom she was. I was taking 21 credits at 18 to cram in a senior semester before state funding ran out and, like you, lived for grades. It resulted in ulcers and a benign stress tumor. I'm thankful to homeschooling for making me very good at independent research on topics of interest but am glad you can recognize your parental performance anxiety so that your kids don't have to assuage it for you.
I hope you speak soon on the ways you have taught your kids how to learn.
As a product of public education, and parents who weren't much involved in my education, I still manage to learn so much on my own. At 56 I'm doing quite well plumbing the depths of the rabbit holes.
On a tangential note, I have also learned that knowing how to learn is often not taught in schools.
I can definitely cover this!
Let the girl speaks :), your point is clear, let her expalin hers
Yeah, Ruth! I know exactly what you mean. At the tender age of 49 I took a job as a high school math/physics tutor. I could not even make sense of a simple algebraic equation like x+6=12 (I dropped math in high school because I could) but my work ethic is strong and I was up to the challenge . The amount of on-the-job learning I did that first year was exhausting and exhilarating. I love all things math now and am on a quest to continue that learning.
Also, I just want to say, Angela, that I commend you for being willing to learn from your kids. This obviously gives them a safe space to grow in.
I am a Conservative Christian and I unschooled my kids and loved it. There is so much fun and freedom in it. Right now my kids are at a nature school for a year because I am doing my clinicals as an LMFT and then I will take them out to unschool again. I hope to become a remote LMFT so that we can do Worldschool; traveling the world with my family and letting the world be their classroom. :)
Gaming so important to neuro diverse people & the collaborative style is a workplace soft skill.
I had a teen that only started reading books at 13. She hasn't put them down since. They learn all they need to know when they need to know it, rather than on a schedule. It's a powerful learning style if you the parent & outside voices don't get in the way.
Thank you for this series! My 14yo is currently doing horribly in school. He hates it and sees no point, and honestly neither do I. He’s had the same career trajectory mapped out since 7th grade (join military, use sign-on bonus to buy a duplex, and join the fire department when he gets out.) I think it’s solid and definitely doesn’t require college. Right now he is reading the teenage liberation handbook. We live in a restrictive state and I told him he needs to present his plans and wishes to his dad and his aunt in an articulate way. His aunt is a teacher and in Pennsylvania you need a sympathetic evaluator to write up a report saying they reviewed your work samples and all required subjects and that you are meeting the requirements. But in reality all he wants to do is read and watch videos about ww2 history and play video games. Thank you for easing my anxieties and I’m looking forward to the rest of the series!
Oh, the Teenage Liberation Handbook is such a good volume for kids and parents alike to read!
Oh my gosh that must be so stressful!! I'm sorry you have so many barriers to homeschooling.i can't imagine having to convince someone I'm "allowed" to homeschool. I hope you guys can home up with a plan that better suits his life. Unschooling has been so helpful to us, and it sounds like your son is very passionate about history!! I think that's great! Best of luck moving forward!!
I relate so much with your son. I’m 35 now and school was a big part of me ending up with depression and social anxiety and feeling stupid. I remember being mocked for reading Mein Kampf and in the background I heard all the “normal” girls chatting about the football game and the tanning bed…. I felt so ashamed of being “weird”. Turns out I’m actually super intelligent and school wasn’t right for my brain and how it works. Having to stay in school held me back well into my 20’s bc of the trauma it caused. I hope you’re able to find a good path for him, with him. It takes a lot of parental involvement and attention to unschool, which I think many parents don’t understand and don’t do. I homeschool my son and it’s been so important to him keeping his spunk and personality in tact. I question the decision a lot, but when he goes on some spiel about insects or geography that he learned all on his own, and that I never learned or retained in school, I know it’s the right decision. Good luck and I’m sending loving vibes your way and to your son. ❤❤❤❤
I find this quite interesting. Homeschooling and unschooling are, with some exceptions, illegal in the Netherlands. I started watching your video out of curiosity and was very sceptical, but I see some good points. I do think that a lot of knowledge and skills that people around me (and me myself) have, derives from their "pet projects". I still struggle to see how that works without the broad mandatory knowledge of school, but having more time to just explore, even if it is in video games and at 2 AM, like you say, could be really worth it. We'd just have to look out for addictions and poor circumstances that lead to criminal activities, but it sounds like your personal approach leads to open communication without shame. And that, I think, is the best way to avoid or deal with those problems. Thank you for the lesson you taught me while I was "wasting my time" watch RUclips videos!
To be fair if you ever encounter home schooled children in US it is often a very sad picture, homeschooling is often done by the religious parents who never finished or went to school themselves, and are afraid of round earth and evolution. Inability to read, count and use calendar is not unusual for home schooled kiddos in the south. That's why a lot of states oppose any form of homeschooling or still require students to pass tests.
Don’t forget that the Netherlands has a significantly different school system from the US. 🙄 In a good way! Lol
@@RubyJamez As homeschooling Christian parent you couldn’t be more bigoted in your assumptions. Homeschool children in general test better and overall have a better education and understanding of the world. You are talking about a certain demographic not the whole homeschool environment. Shame on you.
@@RubyJamez your experience with homeschoolers is the opposite of mine, I've only met quite mature and intelligent, curious homeschoolers, the bulk of whom were from religious families but not all. Sometimes I meet a kid and wonder how it is they seem so with it, and then sure enough I later learn they are or have been homeschooled. Religion does not equal ignorance, either. I'm writing this to caution against generalization, because homeschooling is so very individual by nature.
Fascinating.
I was public schooled and found most classes so easy due to natural ability, love of reading, intense curiosity and yes, a bit of people pleasing to be seen as 'worthy'.
In my adult life learning was/is easy especially for the subjects I love, gardening, public speaking, animals, nature, ecology, herbs and more. These are subjects I 'learned' on my own and have retained so much. To me it is easy to weave all I learn into a tapestry that fits together seamlessly.
I love learning about your unschooling journey and can see that you and your children thrive by unschooling.
Hopefully more families will consider this option.
Looking forward to the next chapters on this topic. Thank you. And thank you, Ruth for sharing your thoughts. I love your art.
We’re eclectic unschool leaning and it’s definitely been challenging to step out of the norm even though we do it in so many different ways. Mine are young teens and it’s been challenging lately but we take it one day at a time. I appreciate this video.
I'm loving reading everyone's comments! As a single mum to my 8 year old boy who has a significant physical disability it has always been on my mind to homeschool him but my fears of him spending ALL his time playing on his Playstation and then turning into an unmotivated adult has stopped me so far. I went to a very prim and proper girls college throughout my entire school years and I hated it the whole way through but the thought of doing education differently is still hard to wrap my head around sometimes. These comments are giving me the fuel I need to nudge me to homeschool. Angela, I simply LOVE all your videos. Thank you!
Found your channel by accident and I Unschool my son. Thank you for opening up my eyes on the gaming aspect of Unschooling and more. I will watch more of your videos in this series. New Subscriber
Hi, today I just came across your channel and it was great! Looking forward to watching all of parts 2-4 as well. I have a concern and I'm hoping that you will be covering that in the other videos or if not you can probably tell me if you have a video that covers my concern.
Did your eldest daughter have to provide a transcript for college admission and if so your tips on creating a transcript for unschoolers. Grateful to have been able to hear your daughter's responses. She seems to be a wise, caring and sweet young lady. This is our 2 year of homeschooling and we have transitioned to unschooling this year. My son is 14 and would be considered a 9th grader. He says he is not planning to go to college but I would like to prepare a transcript for him just in case he changes his mind. I'm looking forward to hearing back from you. By the way, they way you described yourself is exactly the way I lived my school years. Thank you for your channel!
Very much looking forward this series. 💜 We’ve be floundering the last few years and this gives me so much hope that we can still change our approach to fit the needs of our kiddos.
I kind of did unschooling ackwards. I went to public schools through the beginning of my sophmore year in college. I did well, but I never felt like I really knew the subjects, only passed the test. went to jr college for a couple of years and then transferred to a state college. I dropped out soon, because I felt I never had enough time to get deep enough into any subject. From some roommates, I heard about a special program that sounded a lot more like what I wanted so I enrolled at New College of San Jose State University. I had already taken the general ed portion of the program in jr college, so I didn't participate in that. I do wish I had. I think I would have learned a lot more because they were all integrated. As a Junior, I was able to take classes that were offered or create independent studies with oversight by one of the professors. I was interested in becoming an elementary school teacher and I was a creative writer, so I set up projects to write poetry, read and write children's books, edit the program's creative writing magazine, set up a sandwich business, participate in discussions about various topics, etc. Other people did things like apprentice themselves to welders so they could do metal sculpture or ceramics teachers so they could learn particular kinds of glazing. I had a great time, had a degree (Special Major in the Libera Arts) that allowed me to explain how New College was set up and how it prepared me for jobs. I eventually became, not a teacher (I had volunteered at a public school and decided that it was not for me) but a technical writer. I had never used computers (it was 1988) and I knew nothing about electronics. It was a steep learning curve, but I became the most technically proficient technical writer in the department. I had had to learn both a computer language and become a licensed telephone technician as part of that job.
Thank you for this and for sharing your experiences with the public like this on social media. You have a new sub. It is so hard trying to break out of the mold and the brainwashing society has placed upon us. Specially when we are completely alone on this journey as far as actual people in our immediate community and families. This video helped me feel not as alone and that what I am doing for my child is okay even though it isn’t common or is considered alternative. Many thank yous to you and your family. 🙏🏻
Hello!! Welcome!!
My kids are/were public schooled, but we’re in the U.K. and it’s heavy in our mindset that even homeschooled kids must be taught formally and have to take the important exams to continue on in education (as far as I know, I don’t know any families homeschooling outside of what I have seen on T.V.). My eldest is out of education, has retained very little of his formal education, but has a job he loves, is a very good self taught guitarist, also self taught in 3d animation (thanks Minecraft) and enjoys cooking (also mostly self taught outside what recipes I passed on).
My daughter has Irlen’s syndrome (which is a sensory processing disorder to do with visuals) so doesn’t read unless she has to. During covid, she preferred to revise history through documentaries or shows, she also draws all the time and uses her screen as much as paper to create her images. Her teachers at school didn’t always understand that her condition (which is not known about enough) is real and she needs additional help in her studies. She also might love or be good at a subject, yet if she doesn’t like a teacher, her grade would automatically drop. She probably would have done better with a system like unschooling, perhaps.
This us a great discussion, a really hot topic, quite encouraging to know we can have confidence to find our own way that's customized to one's family. Getting into meaningful college studies towards being able to earn well for a good lifestyle, will be a positive motivator.
This was really fascinating to me. Having a 1st grader in a coveted neighborhood PPS DLI program has been... enlightening. This is a great video to get me thinking more about alternatives, which we're starting to seriously consider. I'm not sure if one of your upcoming videos will touch on this, but I'd love to learn more about your own learning curve. I think you touched on it a bit in this video, but I'm curious to hear more about how you learned to homeschool and un-school. What was your own evolution like? Did you go through phases of learning that stick out to you now?
Thanks for posting this. Are there specific links or what are the titles of parts 2, 3, and 4 of this series?
I understand that video games can involve learning - but they can be addicting and physically and mentally unhealthy. We cut video games out completely and the kids don't like it, but they are much more content and happy on a daily basis.
I think us as parents taking back control of what our children are being exposed to at school is more important these days than ever before.
One of my kids thrived at school and didn't need to go to university to get a high paying IT job...
My other kid left at yr 10 and still struggles 5 yrs on with formal learning but has settled on becoming a jewler so his journey of relevant learning is only just beginning now...
The modern school system seems to create people for the workforce and not educate for the best outcome for the person.
I think this is a valuable topic for all parents to consider!
The first public school my husband ever taught in had “creating tomorrow’s model citizens” as their motto and it always really really creeped me out.
@@ParkrosePermaculture That does sound creepy
How to teach & learn anything by asking & answering these questions= Who What Where When Which Why How. & Understanding that everything is a type of story/storyline/timeline/chain of thought & all the stories we hear see read are taught growing up by our family friends teachers society build our inner story/history which effects out hearts minds words choices actions points of view ...Great vids God bless thanks.
This mini series was fantastic!
As some one with an 18 yo senior who has pretty much shut down with school, says he wants to graduate, as an unschooled, how do you determine they are “done with school” or meets your “graduation standards”????
You mentioned that schools don't really teach a student how to learn... If a parent is coming from a public school background, what do they need to in order to teach their child how to learn like Ruth does?
Hi! I am an unschooling mom of teens (2 yrs in) and wondered if I could contact you to ask some questions about your unschooling experience with teens and fears/observations that I have. Email contact is fine or a comment exchange here on RUclips also works. Look forward to hearing from you!
Please tell me more about the heart beat program your children enjoyed?? I was trying to look it up with no luck.
I learnd German language on C2 level by watching american soaps and Star Treck on German TV chanels as a teenager.
My struggle is my 13 year old son who has autism and epilepsy, spd, add and is barely on a 3rd grade math level and about 5th for language arts . Curriculum is not working for him.
First time I heard someone admit that homeschooling is often based on religious influence.
Public school also has a religious influence.
@@sofiabravo1994 nobody goes to public school because of religious beliefs though.
As Christian unschoolers, we are evidently even more fringe 😂🙈
Your son, the video gamer, is like me. Give him books, the best thing since bread!
You could add in the word and concept of "autodidact"-- which maybe you do in the later part of this video or its successors. That is what I've been all of my 72 years (even though I received my HS diploma and later "official" degrees), and what I'll likely continue to be in the second half of my life.
Oh-- I should add my personal thanks to you, Angela, as one of my current unschooling coaches.
How do you get them to focus on something other than video games? Or is that part of their interest? My kids could play on their phones all day long. (They are not teens, they are 4 and 5 😂) My 5 y/o did teach herself to read and type but how do I sneak some math and writing in if she only wants to play video games. I also keep the internet off because I don't want them talking to strangers.
No non educational screens except for weekends, my opinion, watched another channel that mentioned this
Where is part 2-3? Drawing a blank 😅
School is socialization
Hi Angela. What are the subjects your kids didn't want to learn about (if any) and how did you handle this? My kids hate social studies and I don't know what to do about it
This is suchban inspiring vedio. Love all your insights
Without a high school diploma how do the kids get into college? That’s the biggest thing on my mind going this route
You can unschool and still issue your child a high school diploma. All homeschoolers who have legally completed school to their parents standards have completed high school, and the diploma issued by their parents is legal and accepted at all universities in the military and all government organizations. Some unschoolers will make a transcript of the things they have done over their education, and some might take the GED, others will simply show colleges their diploma.
We are wasting half our school day on algebra leaving no time for things I think are much more important. I’m starting to ask why are we even doing this. I see no value in algebra for my daughter who is a total artist and only has interest in art. I’d rather her take financial literacy to prepare her for adulthood than a math no one ever remembers after high school.
I always wondered if Unschooling can be mixed with Public School? What would that look like?
Well... if your unschooled kid chose to go to public school and you supported them in that interest then that could be one way it could work :-) One of mine has done this.
Success is not a measure of wealth but an experience of learning. With a 198 IQ I was a failure in school, I felt they were hindering my development.
How odd that she never took a formal math class but Algebra was below her math level? And then she learned all high school math in a couple of weeks? I get that we all want to uplift the method we use but come on. This is the opposite of the other unschooling videos where the kids go to continuing education as young adults because they lack basic math skills they never learned. So odd
Huh? Algebra wasn’t below her math level. She just never had the concepts organized in a formal class. It’s not that she didn’t understand algebraic thinking, nor have a diversity of mathematical concepts that she absorbed and learned before she went to . And any gaps in her knowledge she was able to quickly teach her herself. I’m not sure why you think it’s “odd”, it’s her lived experience.
Not everybody everybody is the same, and I know plenty of unschoolers who were far behind on math and didn’t do any of it at home. Her dad is a math teacher, and we talk about mathematical concepts and explore them a lot. Her younger brother is now in college (early start) and he tested in 2 grade levels above his grade. He never had a formal math class before and he got a 4.0 in his college math class at 15. that’s just how it has worked out for our family. Every family is unique and every learner is unique.
Dyslexia? You didn't stop to consider that maybe your kid can't read because they weren't taught to read.
My kids can read and the eldest 3 are in college with 4.0 GPAs. Thanks for the concern trolling. It boosts this video
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