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In the spirit of finding middle ground these ideas could change how these discussions go. They may prove beneficial or maybe not. 1. What if you guys try a middle ground where you don't show who has what position, where the speakers and the audience are blind, until the end. 2. What if you add a couple of people who would identify themselves as middle ground on a particular topic along with the oppositional views. Thank you for your consideration.
I completely agree with Danica, indoctrination of a teacher’s political views being forced onto children does not belong in a classroom, there’s far too much of that today.
@@alexbr550 As we know lot of children raised by 2 Dads or by 2 Moms, I'll tell you, that would be a boring episode. They better make an episode of children raised by a Mom & a step Mom & a Dad, 2 parents and 2 step parents, or by 1 parent only, etc... far more challenging
I genuinely believe that black and white thinking is one of the biggest problems facing America. The number of people who really believe all members of a certain group are "x" is way too high.
No they can't. If you are talking about people's lived experiences then they only have 1 lived experience. They either got abused or didn't. Both of those can't be true. If you are talking about the way people think - there is no reality, only perception so if they think it, their perception becomes their reality. Again - they can't have more than 1 reality. People can have different realities, but to them, only 1 is true.
Sure, but this format also works well in that the adults here are all reasonable and didn’t allow anyone to get away with making claims without evidence. Lately I feel like Middle Ground has been getting worse because of influencers going on just to spout their nonsense on a platform and try to dominate the discussion. What I loved about this episode is that everyone actually listened to each other and treated each other with respect. No insults, no interuptions. They were actually trying to find areas that they agree on instead of fishing for hot takes and viral moments
I was homeschooled and one thing my parents were intentional about was socializing me… but not with my peers, with adults. I learned to speak to adults of all ages, professions, ethnicities, etc. and it set me up for the real world in ways that are still benefitting me.
I think kids need friends their own age. They aren't going to learn playing well with other kids and taking turns and that it isn't always all about them. Play is so important to developing
@@laurenadams6417 Many homeschoolers attend co-ops. Mine do. They also play sports year round with other kids their age. Mine also sing in a choir and attend faith formation classes with kids from their own grade, so they get a lot of social time with kids both their own age and a grade or two below and above their own grade.
My homeschooled kids take many extracurricular classes and attend clubs and youth group. They have also attended private school before and I can see benefits and drawbacks to both models of education. I tell people that you have to choose your hard. None of it is easy or perfect.
I wonder why that preference for thinkers exist. I can understand why teachers can think this way, but from my experience the majority of adults work, so they are workers, unless they are in some creative field, which is rare. Once I graduated it was a very isolating and somber experience to realise nobody cares about my PhD, knowledge and constant self-improvement. There aren't really that many cognitive challenges in the adult life, and the ability to just work, cope and be fine with little is probably more valuable in the long run.
I think there's completely different "types" of homeschooling and people unfortunately believe all homeschooling is the stereotypical way when that is not at all true.
yeah I went to public all until my junior year just because i was behind on credits but i went into a homeschool but it was a school just focused on a 1 v 1 setting but on occassion u get put into a public setting while your there to use the facilities resources or to attend a group study
Yeah a lot of people paint with a broad brush (on both homeschooling and public schooling), but it's true that the home schooling horror stories exist, and there's no way to know which home schooled kid will go through something like that until it's happened. In comparison when it comes to public schooling, there are systems in place that can shine spotlights on and correct any wrongdoing that's discovered.
So I knew a kid who was homeschooled, I was a failing Jr. in high school. And he told me he had a 4.0. But he also told me his parents helped him get that. And he was socially awkward around everyone
I got nothing out of public school. I always wondered why people behaved the way they did. And why people always act and/or think like a certain group of people they were 'drawn' to.
And the school does nothing about bullying… And made it sound like.. it was a crime that parents don’t want their children bullied. Like this generation of kids can stand what all comes with bullying… Suicides in children are constantly increasing year after year!
I’m Reese from the video :) I really enjoyed hearing different perspectives, opinions, and experiences of people who attended public school vs. people who were homeschooled. I feel like its definitely not one or the other, but rather what works best for each individual child, their family, and their environment. ❤
I like how diverse the people were in this middle ground video, different ages, different professions, parents and kids who were homeschooled etc- really great video!
@@michaelfetter5413 I think you misunderstood, I was referring to kids who were/were not homeschooled being in the video- the video wasn’t on parenting but homeschooling.
@@michaelfetter5413 yeah no sh*t Sherlock, you said “but why would anyone care what people who aren’t parents say about parenting, they have no skin in the game at all. they’re still children.” And my reply to that is, two youths (teens) were in the video- one homeschooled and one not. Those teens, from my knowledge aren’t parents, are the ones ACTUALLY BEING HOMESCHOOLED. That’s all :)
I hate that so many people think homeschooling means my parents are the ones teaching me everything. When I was younger they did, but now in high school I learn from textbooks, online classes, and even community college. For myself and most homeschoolers I know, homeschooling doesn't mean your parents teach you, it just means that YOU get to control your own education instead of the public schools. I think that control and freedom is one of the greatest benefits of being homeschooled.
You're absolutely correct. And bonus opportunity to attend college during high school. I know this is not in all areas, and some public schools offer this too. However, you get to complete your high school studies around your college classes.
@@RorysonTV if you cant bring yourself to learn for the better of your future you’ve kinda failed yourself, cause no one should make you wanna do better
"now in high school I learn from textbooks, online classes, and even community college" that's not homeschooling anymore though. At most, it's a hybrid because you outgrew homeschooling. Also, a lot of public school students take college classes through things like dual enrollment.
@@RorysonTV Aren't there a decent number of high-school dropouts? Didn't they learn to just not be lazy? That issue you brought up seems to be a universal problem, but taking different forms.
One thing I noticed about these prompts is that they can be boiled down to a case by case basis. There are too many variables when it comes to people and children. As long as each teacher or organization whether homeschooled or public schooled has sufficient resources then the majority of the children can have an enriched experience.
@@TheCloveart Hello there, former teacher and current ESE tutor. To be honest, I really think It depends on how you do homeschooling. I have met some homeschooled individuals who were very top of the line. They go on to be amazing in this life! On the flip side, I've met a lot of homeschool individuals who have suffered the abuse of unschooling and have drastically low levels. Worse than low levels unschooling children never learn organization, routine, and deadlines. I have found life usually swallows these children as they age into teens and adults. I love homeschool as in actual curriculums, grades, worksheets, and the fun activities as well. I don't love the idea of screwing a child out of a decent future so they see you as cool or as a friend. Unschooling is abuse.
@@TheCloveart nailed it! There are great homeschools and crappy homeschools. There are great public schools and crappy public schools. Same with private, charter, and hybrid schools. There is no one size fits all.
Absolutely nothing wrong with homeschooling. My sister in law is one of the best people with such a great personality that came into our family and she was home schooled and told me how she loved her upbringing and now she’s homeschooling her children. Kids don’t need public schools to be prepared for the real world or learn how to socialize. With everything that Ive been seeing in public schools, I’m honestly considering homeschooling mine!
Same! My wife and her siblings/cousins were all homeschooled and it really revolutionized my view of homeschooling. I originally had a lot of questions, as I was public school educated, but we're for sure homeschooling our son and I have no fear of it.
With the number of school shootings in this country, there's absolutely no way I'm risking my child's life. Not when I'm perfectly willing, able, and confident enough in my ability to educate her myself
Homeschooling 10 kids . I make sure they socialize, they do sports professionally, they go to groups, meets friends etc. we all love homeschooling. Gives you an amazing freedom. ❤❤❤
@samanthaswenson6926 It amazes me how these people were saying homeschooling isn't the safest option. A lot of their options of homeschooling is based on the little minority of cases and not the majority of cases.
Home school should be divided into two broad categories: (1) Where parents are dissatisfied with the accommodations provided in a school setting; and (2) Religious families that find the school setting to not align with their religious beliefs. Each category will have distinct profiles of weirdness.
@@excentrik5725I know 3 home schooled adults that are more socially outgoing than most of the people I went to school with. It could be the result of not having their will crushed by a bully factory every day 14 years of their life.
@@excentrik5725 I have selective mutism, I would have been happier and would have graduated early. Public school was overstimulating, violent, and depressing. I went from a happy nerd that was self-taught to a depressed kid just getting by.
I was homeschooled and I’m generally grateful for it. Yes, there are definitely awkward homeschoolers out there-but I generally found growing up that if the parents were weird and overprotective, the kids were weird too. If the parents were pretty chill, the kids were normal. It’s not like public school doesn’t have weird or socially awkward kids! The main thing I’d say is that being homeschooled (or at least, doing lots of different hybrid programs that let me choose individual classes online/in-person and go to class only certain days of the week) gave me far more leeway to be able to focus on my creative pursuits and cultivating those skills. People think being homeschooled is just learning everything from your parents at home every day, but in the last 20 years there have been loads of different options and part-time programs outside the house. One of the programs I did had a videogame design class, and another one had a stop-motion animation course. And then the ability to make my own schedule allowed me to work on my own creative projects in my freetime, which has pretty directly led to everything I do for work as a filmmaker today. Don’t get me wrong, I def know people who have had bad experiences (mostly bc of extremely sheltering parents) but the concept as a whole can be really liberating and empowering so that kids can learn in the way that suits them and spend their time on things that matter.
This is what I wish people understood. It whole depends on the parenting. You can have antisocial, sheltering, religious parents and go to public or private school and lack proper social development.
Alot of stuff said here,id like to point out one difference is home school produces the awkwardness where as public schools do not. It was something the kid in with or predisposed to
Yeah my husband knew a home schooled family and the kids were great and super smart. The mother was teaching them about Spain and their history and they decided to go to Spain for a month to really live it and learn it. I think most home schooled people don't fall in this category though.
I just graduated as a lifelong Canadian homeschooler, and I had the most amazing experience. I was bullied by my peers for being homeschooled and spent the first 14 years of my life nearly friendless, but I wouldn’t change a single thing. I’m miles ahead of my peers in most areas of education and have already made a couple thousand dollars this year from my art business that I started independently and completely financed myself by working 2 jobs. I was super anxious for my early teens, but when I got a fast food job and made my best friends I have overcome that anxiety. I have developed very useful interpersonal skills and I often have adults telling me how inspiring I am, and that I will go places in life. You don’t need your parents to be geniuses to teach you. My parents taught me how to study, and in highschool I learned everything from textbook curriculums (including Physics). I will be homeschooling my future kids, because that’s how I have become the person I am very proud to be today. I hope to write a book about this one day, because it’s very nuanced, but there’s nothing more important than creating a new generation of youth that can learn and grow independently and think for themselves.
She said its in a library? Like ma'am if YOUR kid has a "inappropriate" library book, then care to explain why they are at the library unsupervised? Librarian are not babysitters.
Say it louder for the people in the back! (Also, I just wanna throw this in here, if kids are curious about sex and they can't find an age appropriate explanation from a trusted adult or a book they'll find it on the internet and that's bound to go wrong obviously)
@@mika628 my assumption is that the book was put on display in the children's section, which would influence children to pick it up and look through it. I'm sure the issue wasn't that the resource is available, but that it's being promoted.
Why would a library have an inappropriate book readily available to children? But also why would you leap to such a wild conclusion when she said nothing about her kids actually getting ahold of the referenced book? Sounds like a you problem.
as well as yourselves. Homeschooling is an extra full time job that requires significant extra commitment of time and resources past being a regular parent. Some kids will thrive, some have parents completely unqualified and uninterested in bettering themselves. It depends entirely on the student and parents
It sounded to me like the public schoolers were very narrrow-minded and only thought about their own personal experiences and schools. Public schools all throughout the US are vastly different. There were only 3 black kids in my high school, which was made up of 3 towns because we were all too small. The rest o the student demographic was white. There were not very many opportunities compared to schools with a larger student population or a school in a wealthier area. I think small town schools are often forgotten about in these conversations because they get no representation. Diversity of thought is far more important than diversity of outward appearance.
@@NikkiBudders Our daughter is a big fan of Marrie Skłodowska-Curie. Probably Marrie, her sibilings and other kids at her parent's school, couldn't grow to be so succeessful, if they'd had been homeschooled....
As someone who was homeschooled due to bullying and mental health, I have to agree. I lost a lot of 'normal' social skills, like how to react, respond, and more. However, I didn't have many options, as I didn't want to stay at school and continue being bullied and feel anxious all the time or remain at home. At that time, staying at home was the 'safest' option. This year, I'm going to a place with lots of other people to interact with them and learn basic social skills.
In my opinion you should find groups of what you are interest in, you are gonna fell more relaxed and you already know what you can start with, the best choice is start little
What I would like to see, is rather than students being pulled out of school for being bullied, that the schools really crack down on bullying and make the students all feel safe enough to stay. I’m sorry you were bullied to the point you felt you had to leave.
I was homeschooled. I was socially awkward when i became an adult. Took about 6 months to break out of it. Im a finance consultant a incredibly social career. Humans are able to adapt, just takes alittle work.
Not everyone. My guess is that you were naturally an extrovert but it wasn't developed when you were homeschooled. When you started spending more time out in the world, and put in a little work, those natural tendencies surfaced. But I know tons of ppl who are socially awkward and have been working literal decades to try to overcome it and they still haven't. Everyone person and every situation is different, which I think is really what this entire video kind of boils down to anyway.
I love Camille. She tripped over her words a bit at first, but she ended up being one of the strongest voices- not for homeschooling necessarily, but for honesty and rationality.
The homeschooling mom teacher contradicted herself so many times. She said teachers should teach facts but then it is okay for parents to impose their ideologies when the parents are basically teachers in that setting. At least in schools, there are many different opinions and perspectives and kids need to be exposed to that.
I disagree that public school equals diversity. That is very specific to the area you live. Public schools are government run neighbourhood schools. There is only so much time and room for nuanced discussions. I agree that a quality education will expose you to differences in culture and opinion. I think some teachers and parents are fantastic at achieving this. Others not so much. But it is something that requires a conscious effort.
I think I get what she says. Your teacher doesn’t know your culture, she only knows the culture she is required to teach. Your family knows your culture and are more qualified to teach it, so they should
There was that or when she and the guy in the red shirt would say, “well it’s not all home school situations,” when a sizable CON we mentioned against them but when incidents happened at a some public schools, the response was, “see, but it IS happening at some.” Like, pick one. It’s only defensible if it’s only some being affected on your point but if it’s sometimes happening on the opposing points view, it’s evidence that the whole system is terrible.
@@arachnid33 My high school was 98% white. 🤣🤣 I was taught to be colorblind and treat people fairly, and as an individual, no matter who they are. "Diversity" is just a buzzword and it doesn't really mean anything these days.
Something I’ve noticed is that parents who’ve homeschooled their kids, loved homeschooling, but kids that were homeschooled can often have bad things to say about it.
Yup, most kids wouldn't be happy to be stuck home with parents all day. How do kids make connections, friends, get role models that aren't relatives. So many downsides
I was homeschooled and I would say it's 50/50. I loved it but realistically kids should be given the choice by high school as to what they would prefer.
I don't like it when red shirt said if all the public school teachers were qualified they would all be putting out great students. You can lead a horse to water... you can't make every kid learn, or even pay attention or come to school!
Where I'm front even if a student was failing there were passing them through regarding...Just to save face on how terrible of a job they were doing. In some places in America the reading level is below average State wide...What he is saying is true .Students transferring from developing countries are passing American students and graduating at the top of the class ..African transfers beat American students almost everything... The American education is Very much falling behind ...
I think his point is that teachers have like 30 students per class. If some fail and some don't it doesn't really affect them much. But for parents teaching their kids, it's 100% personal. They HAVE to make their kids learn, and do well to succeed. Now, it doesn't always work, I agree, cause there's people that are just unable to sit and learn, or are always angry, etc, but as a foreigner I can tell you that American Education is basically dead last compared to the world. Teachers here don't have any authority, are underpaid, and often don't care to put in effort. If a child acts out, the worst they can do is detention. But most kids are terrified of their parents, so it's harder to act out.
"Public schools are the best way to expose children to diverse groups". Absolutely not true across the board. I grew up in a town of 800 people in the midwest. Basically, all white farmers. Some sprinkles of different cultures but muted. Not much for diversity. When I went to college, it was a shock. I understood the definition of diversity but did not know what it meant in practice.
@@sammyal21 People in Asia are all homogeneous. There's basically zero diversity there. And yet, they somehow are the smartest or most successful group. Diversity is nice, but it's not a necessary thing to learn and be successful. People also forget that within a group there's so much diversity of economics, of thought, of religion, of skills, etc. In your example of 800 Midwesterners, how many were mechanics, or miners, or famers, or did other skilled jobs. How many were poor and rich and middle class. How many were lazy, or hard workers. All of these are diversities. As a child you look around and learn about different types of people and different personalities or skills they have and you maneuver them. Just cause their skin goes from pale to dark, doesn't mean their personalities are much different than if you grew up with black or asian farmers.
As a homeschooled kid( since 5th grade), I hated it. Social awkwardness +100, self-identity -1000. Actually everything Reese has said is exactly who I was
That had nothing with you being homeschooled but rather your parents who failed you as a homeschool parent. My children are homeschool and extremely social. When I was in school there were plenty of socially awkward kids with anxiety.
My husband and I were both homeschooled and we are currently homeschooling our own kids. It would have been even more well-rounded if they invited a second-generation homeschooler to join the discussion. I have so much I would have loved to share!
The moment the home school woman clarified that the inappropriate book was in a PUBLIC LIBRARY I lost all opinion of her credibility. Like ma'am, you can't use that in an argument against those kinds of books in an elementary school, they are not even close to being the same. Everything else she said in the video was just completely invalidated for me
You should ask your local elementary school librarian how they get new books for the library I have and what I was told is the library is sold age bundles and there are more books then the librarian can monitor so if a book is not appropriate it 9 out of 10 gets shelved. Check out the book debate in Keller Texas
And there’s a lot worse things you can find on the Internet. Wattpad is a thing. Also, TikTok is a big place for people to find new books A book that was very popular was called icebreakers which looks like a cute little teen story when it’s not And so many young teens We’re getting a hold of that book
I would say that public schooling can serve as a kind of exposure therapy for someone with social anxiety, speaking from experience. But I can also say that if an individual is facing major bullying at public school, just about anything else is better. Also, A home schooling parent can create those social interactions as well if they wanted, its just home schooling isnt exactly regulated so many parents just dont.
@@TheSpencer1000 the thing is most homeschooled children don't stay home and only socially interact with their parents. In the US, most homeschooled children join co-ops where they interact with other children of all ages and grades as well as adults for several weeks in a year not to mention the many other social activities they participate in on a weekly basis if not daily. The idea that somehow homeschooled children just stay home is so weird. It goes to show how little people really know and understand about homeschooling. My two older kids were homeschooled in their younger years when we lived in the UK. After we moved to the US, my oldest opted to go to high school (her choice) but her attendance there didn't magically change her social skills. She has Autism and disliked social interactions at her peer level, but had no problems interacting with adults and engaging in complex discussions, when she was inclined to. On the other hand, my second daughter, who has ADHD and is more of a social butterfly didn't do well in the school environment but thrived in the homeschool community and had great social connections. The premise that a person who attends public school has better social skills is rather flawed. As the OP said, social interactions, social skills, etc, is a people issue not where a person does/n't attend school.
It's not that public school gets rid of awkwardness. It's that it allows for growth in those areas through exposure with peers. It's literally the only way to get better at awkwardness or anxiety. You have to surround yourself and interact.
I developed social anxiety in public school. I don’t think being there makes you have social interactions because I genuinely never talked to anyone and refused to do a lot of things out of fear. I finished hs at home and I loved it. I do think being in a sport young might help but idk I got bullied in my first sport for being bad and that gave me permanent damage tbfh 😭
@@Val-xx Same. I developed social anxiety in public school. I overcame a lot of that by doing community theatre, but even in college I couldn't advocate for myself in a classroom or speak out. Something about that type of environment is a real challenge for some people.
11:25 WOW! Conflating a public library that is open to adults and that does have books that aren’t approved for school libraries is not the same as having that book in a school library. If this teacher was teaching my child I would demand to have her removed. Because what she just said is pretty ridiculous.
NO it is not because there are actually videos of parents who have brought books like this that are in elementary school libraries and just to prove you wrong I will go find them and come link them well I can't link them but since your so smart make sure you copy and paste and watch them because you are absolutely wrong and it has happened. 😂 wake tf up.
@@PrettiePessimistik Cool. But you do realize it takes zero effort to buy a book on Amazon, place it on a shelf and record yourself saying, “Hey! Look what I found. Ban all books!”
Being awkward introvert kid - the best feeling for you is homeschooling. I wish I was homeschooled, not traumatized by exposures to paramount of abusers.
Same here and it was over 20 odd years ago in a different country. Teachers weren’t doing Jack and so enabling to the bullies just to be liked themselves. I hated school BUT NEVER hated learning.
@@tupums do you think being homeschooling in general can help an introvert become more extroverted or just make it worse? Cause for me, I was extremely introverted at first, but school kind of forced me to be more extroverted and to interact with people in different settings. For me school helped with my social awkwardness tbh.
some people are saying that if they went to public school, they would have been less socially awkward, but for me, i still am socially awkward and have social anxiety, and maybe it's because i go to a private school, but i feel like if i went to public school i still would be quite socially awkward. social awkwardness and anxiety can be because of little to no social interaction, but also because of just how a person is.
the difference is that you understand social interaction works and social cues. You may be socially anxious, but unlike many homeschool kids you actually learned the unspoken rules of socialization.
@@cheesetoob Homeschooled all my life, currently in university, was in a vast amount of homeschool support groups, homeschool class groups, camps, and speech and debate and other extracurriculars. the vast majority of homeschoolers i met understood social queues, even better than a lot of college kids I have met. The only ones who had issues with social queues were neurodivergent kids. People mix up neurodivergent weirdness with homeschool weirdness a lot I believe because there is a much larger ratio of neurodivergent to neurotypical kids in the homeschool realm due to bullying and generational homeschooling due to bullying
@@elliemae45then, homeschooling is extra dangerous because teaching a neurodivergent kid is a whole different thing and most likely, those parent are not trained…
@@Patricia-cn7oxoh you have no idea. Do you know how many parents have to pull their kids out of school because of the lack of accommodations for neurodiverse kids????? In my homeschool group, I can't even list one family that doesn't have a neurodivergent kid. Maybe it's different where you live, but our schools here aren't helpful. We had one parent who was literally told her child would never be able to learn or to speak. He's THRIVING now. Please don't assume something you clearly don't have personal experience with.
@@Patricia-cn7ox I'm heavily ADHD along with other neurodivergencies. I'm also a nationally qualified debater, in my university's Honors program, worked steadily for 2 years while in high school, have plenty of friends and am in a happy relationship. I'm doing great, just like many other autistic, ADHD, OCD, and dyslexic homeschooled kids I know. I've met multiple who were pulled out of public school by their parents because they were being bullied and the public school system was failing to care for them. They thrived in the homeschool system and are doing great now. I know many neurodivergent parents who chose to homeschool because of their horrible experiences with public schooling. Their kids are doing great. The government absolutely cannot be trusted to deal with neurodivergent kids who don't fit into their uniform, cookie-cutter, boxed-in schooling systems. If it isn't meeting the needs of the kid, then homeschooling is likely a much more healthy option.
My cousins were homeschooled, three being adults now. It was barely even school, just playing video games all day. And the parents knew that. One child is a stay-at-home partner, the second has works at a grocery store and threw away all his money for his girlfriend of three months, the third does not know proper grammar (no clue on what words to capitalize in a sentence, cannot use commas, etc), and the fourth's only "education" was being taught Taekwondo. More on that third kid, he is an adult who refuses to acknowledge/say he's wrong and apologize to people face-to-face. It truly depends on the parents and the EFFORT they put into their child's education.
There will obviously be those rear cases but I truly believe the bad effects of public school by far outweigh that of homeschool, but at the end of the day it is all about the child, some will benefit more from school and the others will benefit more from being homeschooled.
Yeah, because in capitalist UK & in most of the states in U.S. there is no mandatory education!, thus, parents can choose to teach the kids: nothing at all. In countries with madatory school up to the end of high school, the country sees itself resposible of the education of the chidren, the home schoooled children are visted by the authorities, they parents need to follow some program, also, parents who do not want to give education to the children, in extreme cases, they are even sent to jail for this reason. Also, they country makes plans to help struggeling students to finish high school (which means" in some high schools teacher would even go to the home of a student and persue her/him to go school, if needed) I do not trust all the parents, I don't think all of them really care or have the capacity to understand the importance of the education for their children...
Exactly, it depends on the effort put in by the parent. Homeschooling is not to be taken lightly. The description of your cousins is often seen in most households of public school students. Their parents leave all the teaching to the school teachers. Teachers are quitting because students lack respect and have shorter attention spans due to hours spent on their phones, tablets, and video games.
I have seen the same to similar outcomes though with those who went to school as well. Some kids in general, regardless if they do Homeschooling or regular schooling it all comes down to their support system at home and if their parents care to help and teach with home work.
@@Rebekahlavy Indeed, eventually the education of the children depends a lot, or mainly, on the parents support, on the home they came from, not on the school only. The mix between the school and the parents, produces successful, happy children, which a positive view to the life challenges
Just graduated from a homeschool group. I had to give a speech to them (a group with hundreds of families filled with 10 kids each). My speech ended like this: "homechooling does not gaurentee greatness, but gives you the opportunity to be great. You either learn to be independent, or you drop out of the race. Take advantage of the time you have as a homeschooler..." My point being that there are motivated homeschoolers and there are less motivated homeschoolers. Just like there are motivated and less motivated public schoolers. Same way there are social and less social public and home schooolers. In the end, you are the main character of your own story. I am grateful to be with a home school group, but know plenty of homeschoolers who havent gotten the same opportunity. Parents and teachers alike need to keep track of their students, but again, it all comes down to the student himself.
Exactly. It's like that quote from Ratatouille: "Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere." Luck is also a factor, of course. Sometimes the vicissitudes of life can lead you in very different directions, but at the end of the day, you hold the steering wheel for your life's ship.
@@haku1145 Just learned a new word: vicissitude. Google definition for others who've never heard this word: *A change of circumstances or fortune, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant*
This is so true. As a homeschooler with multiple kids. I have one very self motivated learner who will eventually go to college, and one kid who loathes schoolwork and sees it as a chore. He plans on starting welding school at 16. It all comes down to their personality. Both will be successful in their own way, but neither is necessarily better.
I went to public school and I struggled all through grade school with social anxiety, extreme shyness, and low self worth/self esteem. I had zero friends in highschool. Sat by myself at lunch every day for 4 years. The idea that kids need public school for socialization is a myth. Public school for me resulted in extreme anxiety and a fear of failing. It also contributed to an anorexia nervosa diagnosis at the age of 11, directly from weighing ourselves in gym class and other girls making fun of my weight (I was a foot taller than them and thus weighed more). I wish i had been homeschooled. I loved my life at home with my mom and siblings.
I went to school with other children and I had social anxiety for years. I still haven't found my identity and I feel disconnected from time to time. It depends on many factors.
I'm currently being homeschooled (10th grade) and I genuinely enjoy it. I go to co-ops and do activities with other people, and while I am socially awkward and introverted, that's more about who I am as a person than being homeschooled. I will say that my parents are definitely keeping me out of public school because they're er.... very religious and opinionated. However, they haven't succeeded in brainwashing me completely lol. I still get to do a lot of "normal" school things too. I do AP classes, have friends, take field trips, etc. Homeschooling can be great! But it seriously depends on the kid. And I am one of those who loves it!
That's cool and I'm happy for them, but you're talking about your own kids so not exactly going to take it at face value either lol. Everyone wants to believe their child is special or better.
@@Sieil I definitely don't think my kids are special it's just an observation, at school they are told to be quiet, not talking. They are seperated from.peers if they are disruptive etc. Which is understandable bcoz they are in a learning environment. But some children learn best by communication (like mine), and with Homeachoolingthey are necessarily silenced.
Grew up in a public school, and it was the worst thing ever for me, specifically. The teachers were horrible to us, and it's really saddening looking at all these people and realizing I could've had teachers that cared about me and my education instead of just focusing on the scores and the perception people have of their class.
I was homeschooled, loved it, and own a company now. Social butterfly, neurodivergent, and happily married with no social stunts. It really does depends on the parents and how they go into it, and what they expose their kids to. Im cultured, street smart, and humble. I grew up in a bad neighborhood, was a lwader and never let my circumstances define me.
I’m a public school health and phys Ed teacher. I’ve taught sex ed at the elementary, middle, and high school levels. It is absolutely necessary to in the public school setting. We start in kindergarten with personal space and safe vs unsafe touch. This is for the safety of the kids. Parents are notified with months of advance and required to sign a form either opting their kids in or out. They have full access to every piece of curriculum that the district uses so they can decide if they want their kid in it. Even with all that, there are so many parents that will never look at the forms and never have a conversation with their kids about sex, their bodies, and what is inappropriate. Those are the kids that we do it for. No one is trying to indoctrinate your kids.
@@Iamonepercent I would assume that someone who has the confidence to fire back on a RUclips video comment section about a sensitive topic would have the reading comprehension and communication skills to make in inference based on well documented societal norms. There are always exceptions to the rules. Most people understand that. Sorry for not making it clearer for our lower lexile level friends.
@@torchic00004 I think what’s disgusting and shameful is the amount of children that are sexually abused at a young age. And what’s more is that the abusers often face no repercussions because their victim doesn’t even realize that what happened was inappropriate.
Homeschooling is illegal in Germany....I think due to needing to have social interactions. Public authorities want to be in charge and control of schooling to make sure there's a common educational background. This also should prevent from different education like devout religious motivated education.
Absolutely and also that children/teens get the chance to have a person they trust outside of their family circle. Teachers can be a great help to get out of a domestic violence situation.
@@alexandrak.2797 I diagree, athletics has all the necessary social interaction needed prior to college. Homeschooled students either perform as well or better than private school students, and out perfrom public school students in terms of socioeconomic outcomes.
Homeschooled my whole life, all siblings were homeschooled, all of us I would say are confident and independent. The home situation and personality factors I think really determines how a kid reacts to their education. Not necessarily the education itself all the time
I was a 3rd grade teacher and i dont think I'd even touch the "difference between gay vs lgbt" question. Id immediately defer that child to their parents and if the parents dont want to talk about it, then so be it. But that child will never be able to say "Mr. *redacted* taught me about the lgbt." As a male teacher especially, I have to tread suuuuuper lightly around those kinds of questions.
I would respond that LGBT are initials and that the G in LGBT stands for gay. All gay people are LGBT but not all LGBT are gay because each letter stands for a different word. Now if a kid that young wanted a definition of the word gay or any other part of LGBT I would direct them to there parents or perhaps hand them a dictionary.
@Enchantica333 and see for as textbook as that is, that may even be too far for some parents. You saying the word "gay" is like swearing at a child to some families. I just wouldn't touch it at all. Not my place as a teacher
It really depends on how you answer their question. If you make it weird, like talking about gay sex and genitals, then obviously it’s going to be weird and creepy. If you say “gay is when Johnny has two dads and LGBT is a group for people like Johnny’s dads who love others from their own gender” you’ve done nothing wrong. None of them are dirty or taboo things and kids should learn about how other people live their lives instead of fearing what they don’t understand
@@user-sx9hq7qwert textbook gaslighting💀 get a grip. The LGBTQ is complicated, but like everything else, you explain it in a way that fits the educational and maturity level of the child. In English, you first teach them that poems rhyme, and then later you teach them about the iambic pentameter. You don’t do it all at once, because they can’t comprehend everything, but that doesn’t mean that poems or iambic pentameters don’t exist. Whether you like it or not, queer people exist and as a teacher you don’t get to shield children from that because their parents are conservative snowflakes
Notice how when the topic of inappropriate material comes up, the homeschoolers will just actively lie about the issue and then back pedal when questioned on it. The homeschool mom brought up the example of the "sex position for first graders" book, but when shes questioned, she can't name the book and then admits it wasn't a part of the curriculum, just present in the public library, where anyone of any age would have access to it. If i presumed this book actually existed, it just existing in a public library is fine as far as I'm concerned, but i suspect that she's not being honest, and in fact, she's likely referencing a talking point thats perpetuated by conservative media outlets, who themselves, frequently lie and embelish the prevalence of inappropriate material being given to their children by the education system.
No, ONE lied. And unfortunately her views are leaking into the public schools. Our public schools are banning books. But in my homeschool, that basically makes them required reading lol.
Exactly. She’s literally a prime example of what happens when you’re shielded from people with different opinions and beliefs. If actually had this conversation with someone who had two brain cells to rub together, they would’ve checked her already and she wouldn’t be embarrassing herself on the internet. But chances are she only watches Fox News and is surrounded by people who do too
@10:45 "Would you lay out specific examples of that?" *couldn't give specific example* Homeschooling mom teacher: "Well I saw a book laying out postions for kids!!!!" "Can you give an example of the book/which book is that?" *proceeds to reveal that it is not at a school but at a public library* 😂😂😂😂 The loops to jump to try to make fiction a reality here is astounding.
Yes! That portion did it for me. She noticeably became a little annoyed that the other lady who kept inquiring (rightfully so) with specific questions of inquiry for more details and TRUTH. It’s as if she hoped she be able to lay out a vague “tale” and it would be accepted as fact.
All my knowledge didn’t come from school, they had classes, but I was far too embarrassed being in such a group to learn anything. I remember my mum giving me a book and I learnt sooooo much more that way. I have no problem with kids learning that way
@@rickkia you have to remember, she is used to homeschooling were she doesnt need to actually back up her statments to her child. Those vague tales is exactly what she teaches her children.
Gender Queer is probably the most famous one, but here are some other books in public schools: Flamer This Book Is Gay Let's Talk About It These books are in California schools.
Yes she lost me near the beginning with her argument about bullying and depression leading to better resilience later in life. It's such a toxic way to look at things especially when teens are dealing with mental health issues at a rate we've never seen before. It's also verifiably false that trauma = resilience.
What I always question about people with her argument is why do they come off with doubts first instead of interest in the issue when presented with a situation "they've never seen happening". They literally acknowledge they've never been through it or seen it and, because of this, they choose to dismiss any possibility of it happening? It's like they feel it's a lie from the other side. They are constantly in denial.
I believe y’all forget the show is titled, “middle ground.” We need the middle ground because these are people who don’t agree on the same things. If she wasn’t “condescending” as you imply, then there won’t be a reason for her to be here. Do you get?
I had an incredible time in this video, thank you to Jubilee for the opportunity to meet such amazing educators and people! At the end of the day, both sides just care about preparing future generations for the world as best we can, and only through collaboration between parents and teachers can we give our students the best chance at success.
I truly wished there was another group of homeschoolers on this episode because if I were debating on whether or not to homeschool, I would change my mind based on this episode. As a homeschool graduate and homeschooling mom of 7, I don't feel that the homeschool advocates here truly represented or displayed the benefits of homeschooling 🤦🏾♀️.
I was homeschooled and I loved it. But we joked that it was “car schooling” because we were always traveling places and taking classes with other homeschooling families. We even lived in another country for a while and spoke multiple languages. Now I’m a public school teacher and I love my job. Every child and every family is different so diverse schooling options are extremely important.
It really does come down to parenting and life experience. If your homeschool parents deny a proper and full social life, you're gonna be awkward. If your parents send you to public school but limit who you spend time with and don't teach you to speak up... same thing.
It is exactly the type of schooling, public schools in USA are generally designed to provide the bare minimum accounting for tax dollars. There is only a liability when the school is below average but never an incentive for anyone to overachieve. That is why public school in much worse areas of USA tend to not overachieve and provide the best services despite costing communities even millions cause simply there is no money in those communities!!!!! (thus you get half a cheese burger)
Socialization is beyond getting along with peers of the same age. It should be a scenario where empathy, service, ability to navigate in different cultures, with different ages.
The big thing about homeschooling is that it is what you make it. Homeschoolers can be even more socially adept than public schoolers if you help them get involved in activities. And with the idea of being prepared for college, a lot of homeschoolers are better prepared for college than public schoolers. I did a co-op and had class once a week, and the managed my own time and did all my homework during the week. In a lot of ways, I was more prepared for college because of homeschooling.
I was homeschooled pretty much my whole life. I was involved in homeschool co-ops, church youth groups, I was involved in other small groups and clubs in my town. Just because I didn’t grow up going to school traditionally doesn’t mean I wasn’t socialized. And honestly, I think it made me less socially awkward than I would have been. Do I have some gaps in my education? Maybe a little, but everyone does, ultimately you’re being taught by other people and that leads to human error. My first experience in “real school” was when I took dual credit college classes at 15, and then when I was 17 I went to an out of state university. It all comes down to the parents and the teachers. There were so many people my freshman year who went to a traditional school who were not ready for it because they weren’t properly prepared. What’s best for one child won’t be best for all of them.
"They're teaching sex to 3rd graders, its everywhere" "Can you tell me where or give specifics?" "Its out there" = I read it on social media and didn't fact check
That's not really the fault of public schools is it? We can blame them for not doing anything about it but bullying happens because people can be immature and poorly socialized. The fault lies with parents who don't bother to teach their kids how to treat others. The issue then, is kids being exposed to other kids who are poorly socialized. Also, bullying doesn't just stop after you graduate high-school, or even college--sometimes its just called abuse or done in ways that are less overt. Bullying is a human problem...it's present wherever there are humans.
so i’m a homeschool student myself and i really don’t agree with anything anyone is saying here. i have friends that i talk to everyday, i have a boyfriend and i go do stuff all the time. it depends on if the kid will actually put themselves out there to make an effort to talk to people. but i also have felt lonely bc i didn’t get to go to prom or senior sunrise or anything like that but it’s better for me and my mental health. and so many other kids feel that way. i feel like this conversation should have been with completely only students who are currently homeschooling. not adults who have no idea how it can be.
I could complain about a lot of things from my childhood. But now I see the reason for them and how they benefit me down the road. Not saying the kids opinion don’t matter, I guess it would be more important to make sure that they are understanding why things are what they are. So they’re not complaining about things that are there to help them. Also I went to public school and did not go to prom
I don’t like how that woman keeps sayin “promoting”. Having a conversation about certain topics or just educating is not promoting. If a teacher had a picture of their same sex spouse on their desk and a student asks about them, That’s just normal conversation and not promotion
When u have a guide on how to have butt s*x in a elementary school library...That's promoting..and before u try to gaslight me . I saw it with my own eyes .
Then let's forget promotion. Should books depicting sex acts be in elementary school libraries? I'm not asking you are they currently or if they will be, but rather very specifically should books depicting sex acts be in elementary schools
I hated homeschool. When I got to public school I was mad that I was ever homeschooled. Thankfully I ended making a lot of friends and being fine socially but every single person I knew from my private school and homeschool groups are super super weird and socially awkward they have maybe one friend and got bullied in hs.
@@Emmanuel_EEE I went to a private school for 4 years and the entire school was 20 kids. I had 4 kids in my grade. Everyone ended up socially awkward besides me and my sibling and a select few other kids. I’m speaking from years of experience of going to private school and being homeschooled. What’s ur point?
@@vitalie9904 So are we basing arguments only on anecdotes experience? Most private schools have way more than 20 students attending. 😂 For example, Catholic Private schools.
@@Emmanuel_EEE I was literally just stating my opinion that I hated homeschool and private school and was glad I didn’t end up socially awkward when I went to public school 😭😭
"A book existing is different than it being in curriculum". "But it is in curriculum" moments earlier "I saw this at a public library". Ma'am. Those are not the same thing... Also... does anybody have proof of this book she claims exist?
She said its in a library? Like ma'am if YOUR kid has a "inappropriate" library book, then care to explain why they are at the library unsupervised? Librarian are not babysitters.
Yes because they should know about the outside world and how some people bully others and learn how to respond or avoid such situations (The world isn't rainbows and sparkles, they SHOULD know)
@BreakdownxD that was exactly what happened to me. For me the best thing, would have been homeschooling due to my personality and learning style. I was able to understand what my style of learning was and was also taught the different styles, in, which people learn and this also confirmed what I understood about myself.
I’m about to start homeschooling in the UK! This was an interesting conversation. I think for the most part both sides are striving to raise thinkers and not just workers. No one wants isolation, bullying, or a lack of control in what our children are exposed to. I think whatever path families choose, a healthy supportive home and/or school environment makes a difference in who our children become as adults.
First off, Kian seems awesome, dude seems like a great educator and his kids are lucky to have him. And secondly the Home Schooling parents constantly lying about stuff is so frustrating. "Well there is a book" what book "i dont know". Cool story bro.
This was the most respectful, calm, enjoyable cast of Middle Ground yet. So often, folks are clambering to speak up and over each other, push each others buttons, and can even be rude. This crowd actively listened to each other and seemed to finish their thoughts without getting cut off. Cheers to these wonderful educators, parents, and young adults!
I’m not done watching this but I really hope they address the issues of abuse covered up by homeschooling. Kids need multiple adults in their lives in case their parents are not safe. 57% of child abuse reports are filed by professionals (teachers, doctors, etc). By keeping kids away from these professionals, it is scary what abuse parents can hide
I had a horrific childhood in my home. I was public schooled. I confided in many adults at my school along with police officers and nothing was done to help me. I now homeschool my kids. They are safe, educated, have many many friends and participate in sports. Being in the system does not guarantee a safe place.
@@g24792 I never said “the system” was perfect and I’m sorry it failed you. There are still many cases of abuse that go unreported and cases that are reported but don’t receive support or follow through. But imagine if you were homeschooled by your abusers and were with them 24/7. My issue is that homeschool families generally have no accountability and many parents and kids do not have healthy relationships. If you’re in a school and don’t get along with a teacher, you likely can turn to your parents and also get a new teacher next year. If you’re homeschooled and don’t get along with your parents, then what?
Just so you know, in most states homeschooling homes are inspected every few years to make sure there is no abuse and that the kids are learning. I hope that makes you feel at least a little better.
Unless your parents are truly pushing for you to be involved in sports/clubs/friend groups, homeschooling can be disastrous. I was taken out of homeschooling in 8th grade and I'm still struggling with anxiety and making connections at age 21.
But there are people who are in public school who STILL struggle with anxiety, making connections, having friends and talking to other people. Being in public school doesn't automatically make you a social person, and being homeschooled doesn't automatically make you a non-social person. It ALL depends on your personality type and what type of individual you are. It's possible to do homeschool and have a lot of friends in your neighborhood. It's also possible to go to public school and yet be completely lonely.
@@AmiriHipHopbecause school can also be disastrous but your always surrounded by other people your age and with different walks of life. No one is saying the public school guarantees friendships or less anxiety but something is better than nothing.
@@kindallnight1615 Some people are indeed implying or directly saying that putting your kid in public school is a more socially beneficial option than homeschooling them. And I just flatout don't agree with that. It's simply a case by case basis per child.
@@AmiriHipHopright? Especially since making connections in school is infinitely easier than real life or after school because in a class everyone think of their classmates as friends because you're stuck with them for a year but when they graduate they lose touch with them and find out that making friends isn't as easy as school
I’m socially awkward and I was never homeschooled. My son just graduated and he can’t even tell you how many months in a year. He only learned how to read , anything outside of that he doesn’t know , counting money , knowing how many states are in the US , our first president, nothing . It was like there was no point in taking him to school.
My brothers and I were homeschooled. We all focused on learning and growing as individuals and all three of us became doctors. Homeschooling allowed us to think for ourselves and not be influenced by “the cool kids” at school.
I was homeschooled first grade to junior year of highscool. My mom was so nice and willing to please that my brother and I never learned to love the struggle of working hard to learn. I'm a specific case but I missed so many things in life. College was a struggle because of that, and it took me 7 years to graduate. I made it through being wholly unprepared.
It's so sad that so many people have such bad opinions about homeschooling. I was homeschooled am SO glad I was, and I got to have so much more time to be creative and not be in the stressful, toxic high school culture, and also got to get extra credits for college by taking community college classes in high school.
I really wish i could look at it the way you do. I was homeschooled since 3rd grade and it was fun at first but then i started to hate it and to this day i hate being reminded that i was :( i feel like the odd one out everywhere i go
Many public schools allow students to take college level classes. My brother is a junior and will have a full semester of college done by the end of this year, and has countless creative outlets in school like the school paper, art class, and yearbook
Normal to me can be weird to you and normal to you can be weird to me. Weird is not some objective truth, life is subjective, not a ruleset to live by. Your perception of normal is mostly bias.
My mom wasn't ready to talk to me about the changes that were happening to my body (periods, pubic hair, thoughts about boys). Every conversation she ever had with me happened far too late, they happened after I had already dealt with it (I just started using her pads when my period started and then when she sent me to the grocery store, I bought pads for myself). I got the talk about puberty AT SCHOOL. In some ways I find that letting schools educate kids on these things is not a complete evil but there definitely should be some nuance. People fear the indoctrination of their kids (which is valid), but more so schools are filling in the gaps that parents are simply not willing or ready to talk about.
10:15 When I was in school we were taught about puberty in 5th grade. So that would’ve been in the year 2010 I think. The parents had to sign a paper on if they wanted their kid to learn about it in school or not. We also didn’t talk about being gay or lesbian at all either. I don’t think there’s anything wrong however with quickly mentioning that sometimes a girl may likes girls or a boy may like boys or a person may like both and that’s all that should be said about it. I think that’s how all schools should handle talking about puberty.
Yes, that's how it should be. Now it's far beyond that and I remember reading in Toronto they now have Drag Queen Story Time in schools. At first parents had to sign a consent form but a lot of liberal parents protested that and it was dropped to need consent. Then they pushed the school board to drop the ability for children/parents to opt out of the drag storytimes, saying it was a human rights violation. I haven't read any updates to know what came of it, but that seems like a ridiculous thing to make mandatory in schools.
When I was a kid we learnt in grade five as well, with our parents signing a form detailing what was to be covered. My son learnt about s** and gender in kindergarten. The parents were told absolutely nothing. I only knew because I was volunteering that day. I think parents should at least be aware so they can continue the conversations at home. Also some of the information was dated and inaccurate.
Homeschooled 100% of the time until college. I was not socially awkward or had trouble getting alone with other people. My mom was apart of a HSA. (Home School Association) we did sports, events, and even field trips. I had opportunities to play almost every sport I wanted to. And as a kid you want to do a lot so whatever season it was I was playing some type of sport. I was able to get educated much faster because was homeschooled and finished early and went into college a year early. Plus I wasn’t indoctrinated or pressured to “fit in” and never did any of the drugs and partying that many public schoolers did. I will homeschool my children it’s so much better especially seeing the kids that are coming out of public schools.
Thank you for sharing. I homeschool my son, and get never ending remarks. He is thriving and learning so many life skills at his young age. I am constantly being told by strangers how ahead he is. (He is only 4) My family is constantly asking me how he will be socialized, as if school is the only way to see and interact with other kids.
@@johannakulback9125 my only advice is find a homeschool association. It’s helps with the socializing part especially if sports are available like mine was. Plus those moms usually share your same values
@@christiansilva7662 Yes, agreed. Thank you. He is currently involved in sports, and workshops where he is learning how to build things with the other kids. The program we will be using starts next year, and is awesome. The community has a lot of events, group lessons, and so on.
I was homeschooled through eighth grade. My parents sent me to private school for freshman year and I outperformed most of my peers in most areas. From sophomore to senior year, I was in public school, and I never felt challenged since freshman year. I had no trouble making friends, since my mom had never going to so many youth activities growing up. If you have parents that care enough to dedicate so much time to helping their kids, homeschool is absolutely superior.
Homeschool is superior IF your parents make it superior, the issue is there is very little regulation and therefore it can be used as a tool for serious neglect or brainwashing
There are pros and cons to both. Overall the education system needs to be changed to reflect modern times because most of it is nonsense that won't help you in the workforce and adult life.
There are a lot of people here really pretending that putting kids in a school full of diverse people is going to actually lead to them interacting with diverse people in a positive manner. They end up in their little bubbles maladjusted to other kinds of people regardless.
Seem like Isabel is really against homeschooling. Came into this to argue. I expected these homeschoolers to be too radical, but they were very sensible.
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I completely agree with Danica, indoctrination of a teacher’s political views being forced onto children does not belong in a classroom, there’s far too much of that today.
Please do a middle ground episode of children raised by lgbt parents and children raised by the straights.
@@alexbr550 As we know lot of children raised by 2 Dads or by 2 Moms, I'll tell you, that would be a boring episode.
They better make an episode of children raised by a Mom & a step Mom & a Dad, 2 parents and 2 step parents, or by 1 parent only, etc... far more challenging
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What I heard: strong families school better than public schools. Public schools school better than broken homes.
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I agree.
Yes ! One hundred percent!
this! i agree as well
As a teacher, I will respectfully disagree, but I do understand your comment.
A lot of people need to understand that two things can be true at once
This is a life mental skill missing from a lot of people
I genuinely believe that black and white thinking is one of the biggest problems facing America.
The number of people who really believe all members of a certain group are "x" is way too high.
No they can't. If you are talking about people's lived experiences then they only have 1 lived experience. They either got abused or didn't. Both of those can't be true. If you are talking about the way people think - there is no reality, only perception so if they think it, their perception becomes their reality. Again - they can't have more than 1 reality. People can have different realities, but to them, only 1 is true.
@@BillMoman i see you are lacking this mental skill
@@BillMoman Understanding that ANYYTHING IS POSSIBLE is true as well friend.
i feel like a video with only the kids would be interesting
I agree. Do this again but with homeschooled students and public schooled students
agreed
Also agreed. Its interesting to get the parents views on things, but ultimately what matters is how the kids come out of it.
I agree!!
Sure, but this format also works well in that the adults here are all reasonable and didn’t allow anyone to get away with making claims without evidence. Lately I feel like Middle Ground has been getting worse because of influencers going on just to spout their nonsense on a platform and try to dominate the discussion. What I loved about this episode is that everyone actually listened to each other and treated each other with respect. No insults, no interuptions. They were actually trying to find areas that they agree on instead of fishing for hot takes and viral moments
I was homeschooled and one thing my parents were intentional about was socializing me… but not with my peers, with adults. I learned to speak to adults of all ages, professions, ethnicities, etc. and it set me up for the real world in ways that are still benefitting me.
Yes! This! This is my goal with my own kids who we are homeschooling!
I think kids need friends their own age. They aren't going to learn playing well with other kids and taking turns and that it isn't always all about them. Play is so important to developing
@@laurenadams6417 Many homeschoolers attend co-ops. Mine do. They also play sports year round with other kids their age. Mine also sing in a choir and attend faith formation classes with kids from their own grade, so they get a lot of social time with kids both their own age and a grade or two below and above their own grade.
This is exactly how my children are they can hold conversations with all ages young and elderly
My homeschooled kids take many extracurricular classes and attend clubs and youth group. They have also attended private school before and I can see benefits and drawbacks to both models of education. I tell people that you have to choose your hard. None of it is easy or perfect.
Camille really hit a great point on homeschooling to create kids who are thinkers and not just workers.
This!!
Bingo
Thats the whole point!!!
Public school would create the better thinkers tho.
I wonder why that preference for thinkers exist. I can understand why teachers can think this way, but from my experience the majority of adults work, so they are workers, unless they are in some creative field, which is rare. Once I graduated it was a very isolating and somber experience to realise nobody cares about my PhD, knowledge and constant self-improvement. There aren't really that many cognitive challenges in the adult life, and the ability to just work, cope and be fine with little is probably more valuable in the long run.
I think there's completely different "types" of homeschooling and people unfortunately believe all homeschooling is the stereotypical way when that is not at all true.
yeah I went to public all until my junior year just because i was behind on credits but i went into a homeschool but it was a school just focused on a 1 v 1 setting but on occassion u get put into a public setting while your there to use the facilities resources or to attend a group study
Yeah a lot of people paint with a broad brush (on both homeschooling and public schooling), but it's true that the home schooling horror stories exist, and there's no way to know which home schooled kid will go through something like that until it's happened.
In comparison when it comes to public schooling, there are systems in place that can shine spotlights on and correct any wrongdoing that's discovered.
the sad truth is there are “horror stories” in either.
So I knew a kid who was homeschooled, I was a failing Jr. in high school. And he told me he had a 4.0. But he also told me his parents helped him get that. And he was socially awkward around everyone
@@darriendelossantos3958and that’s one case
I’m so glad I went to public school. It exposed me to people from all walks of life and helped me get prepared for college and the real world.
Public school was garbage for me, it introduced me to garbage people I was stuck with and didn't have an option to drop.
I got nothing out of public school. I always wondered why people behaved the way they did. And why people always act and/or think like a certain group of people they were 'drawn' to.
@@Sarabella68 That sounds like anti-social behaviour on your part. If it's everyone BUT you, it's not them, it's you.
@@alpacamale2909which is exactly what you’ll go through in the real world. You can’t sit at home with mom shielding you from outside forever so…
Public school is not the real world. It's a contrived institution.
this is beyond any point anyone made, but that fly is driving me insane haha
lol same
Omg I thought I was the only one 😭😭😭
What fly ?
Thank you I needed this comment
Yeah at first I though my mouse was going crazy
I wasn't okay being bullied in school, and I wish I had been homeschooled and had more freedom of what I was actually interested in doing.
AMEN! lol
Same
Bingo ❤❤❤❤
Sammmmme
And the school does nothing about bullying… And made it sound like.. it was a crime that parents don’t want their children bullied. Like this generation of kids can stand what all comes with bullying… Suicides in children are constantly increasing year after year!
I’m Reese from the video :) I really enjoyed hearing different perspectives, opinions, and experiences of people who attended public school vs. people who were homeschooled. I feel like its definitely not one or the other, but rather what works best for each individual child, their family, and their environment. ❤
Very true ❤
@@reesearizona 💯 agree!
Its getting to the point its unnecessarily combative
Yo Reese, you da coolest!
@@Iksvomid Ayy thanks!
I like how diverse the people were in this middle ground video, different ages, different professions, parents and kids who were homeschooled etc- really great video!
but why would anyone care what people who aren't parents say about parenting, they have no skin in the game at all. they're still children.
@@michaelfetter5413 I think you misunderstood, I was referring to kids who were/were not homeschooled being in the video- the video wasn’t on parenting but homeschooling.
@@ellanora9 parents do the homeschooling. Duh.
Who makes the decision to homeschool or not? Parents. Duh.
@@michaelfetter5413 yeah no sh*t Sherlock, you said “but why would anyone care what people who aren’t parents say about parenting, they have no skin in the game at all. they’re still children.” And my reply to that is, two youths (teens) were in the video- one homeschooled and one not. Those teens, from my knowledge aren’t parents, are the ones ACTUALLY BEING HOMESCHOOLED. That’s all :)
@@ellanora9 Freak out some more.
it doesn't matter what they think. they might look back and think differently when they're older.
I hate that so many people think homeschooling means my parents are the ones teaching me everything. When I was younger they did, but now in high school I learn from textbooks, online classes, and even community college. For myself and most homeschoolers I know, homeschooling doesn't mean your parents teach you, it just means that YOU get to control your own education instead of the public schools. I think that control and freedom is one of the greatest benefits of being homeschooled.
You're absolutely correct. And bonus opportunity to attend college during high school. I know this is not in all areas, and some public schools offer this too. However, you get to complete your high school studies around your college classes.
yeah and what if you're lazy? Who forces you to sit down for hours every day to learn these different subjects?
@@RorysonTV if you cant bring yourself to learn for the better of your future you’ve kinda failed yourself, cause no one should make you wanna do better
"now in high school I learn from textbooks, online classes, and even community college" that's not homeschooling anymore though. At most, it's a hybrid because you outgrew homeschooling. Also, a lot of public school students take college classes through things like dual enrollment.
@@RorysonTV Aren't there a decent number of high-school dropouts? Didn't they learn to just not be lazy? That issue you brought up seems to be a universal problem, but taking different forms.
One thing I noticed about these prompts is that they can be boiled down to a case by case basis. There are too many variables when it comes to people and children.
As long as each teacher or organization whether homeschooled or public schooled has sufficient resources then the majority of the children can have an enriched experience.
Agreed 💯
Came here to say this. The topic is so nuanced. There was a “but” to everything everyone said.
This ❤
@@TheCloveart Hello there, former teacher and current ESE tutor. To be honest, I really think It depends on how you do homeschooling. I have met some homeschooled individuals who were very top of the line. They go on to be amazing in this life! On the flip side, I've met a lot of homeschool individuals who have suffered the abuse of unschooling and have drastically low levels. Worse than low levels unschooling children never learn organization, routine, and deadlines. I have found life usually swallows these children as they age into teens and adults. I love homeschool as in actual curriculums, grades, worksheets, and the fun activities as well. I don't love the idea of screwing a child out of a decent future so they see you as cool or as a friend. Unschooling is abuse.
@@TheCloveart nailed it! There are great homeschools and crappy homeschools. There are great public schools and crappy public schools. Same with private, charter, and hybrid schools. There is no one size fits all.
Anyone want to meet up with Fred and his wife to learn from him? The way he talks about how important it is to teach kids to learn is amazing!
he's got a youtube channel. it's in the description
Absolutely nothing wrong with homeschooling. My sister in law is one of the best people with such a great personality that came into our family and she was home schooled and told me how she loved her upbringing and now she’s homeschooling her children. Kids don’t need public schools to be prepared for the real world or learn how to socialize.
With everything that Ive been seeing in public schools, I’m honestly considering homeschooling mine!
Same! My wife and her siblings/cousins were all homeschooled and it really revolutionized my view of homeschooling. I originally had a lot of questions, as I was public school educated, but we're for sure homeschooling our son and I have no fear of it.
With the number of school shootings in this country, there's absolutely no way I'm risking my child's life. Not when I'm perfectly willing, able, and confident enough in my ability to educate her myself
Homeschooling 10 kids . I make sure they socialize, they do sports professionally, they go to groups, meets friends etc.
we all love homeschooling. Gives you an amazing freedom. ❤❤❤
@samanthaswenson6926 It amazes me how these people were saying homeschooling isn't the safest option. A lot of their options of homeschooling is based on the little minority of cases and not the majority of cases.
Home school should be divided into two broad categories:
(1) Where parents are dissatisfied with the accommodations provided in a school setting; and
(2) Religious families that find the school setting to not align with their religious beliefs.
Each category will have distinct profiles of weirdness.
It seems I had fallen under both
The state wants people's children in schools so they can brain wash them into being easily-controllable degenerate tax slaves.
Would parents not wanting their kids to be shot fall under accommodations? It seems that's becoming a bigger and bigger motivator
Why would 1 be weird?
Teaching kids your religion is normal literally everywhere. Why are muslim parents weird for teaching their kids about it?
I went to public school and I’m socially awkward af.
@@excentrik5725not at all. Cases of outliers exist for both. And homeschool individuals are always exposed to many diverse settings.
@@trentoliver5357always is a bit of a stretch… it really depends on the location and the homeschool group you’re a part of
@@excentrik5725I know 3 home schooled adults that are more socially outgoing than most of the people I went to school with. It could be the result of not having their will crushed by a bully factory every day 14 years of their life.
@@excentrik5725 I have selective mutism, I would have been happier and would have graduated early. Public school was overstimulating, violent, and depressing. I went from a happy nerd that was self-taught to a depressed kid just getting by.
Same here. (Thanks, mom!)
I was homeschooled and I’m generally grateful for it. Yes, there are definitely awkward homeschoolers out there-but I generally found growing up that if the parents were weird and overprotective, the kids were weird too. If the parents were pretty chill, the kids were normal. It’s not like public school doesn’t have weird or socially awkward kids! The main thing I’d say is that being homeschooled (or at least, doing lots of different hybrid programs that let me choose individual classes online/in-person and go to class only certain days of the week) gave me far more leeway to be able to focus on my creative pursuits and cultivating those skills. People think being homeschooled is just learning everything from your parents at home every day, but in the last 20 years there have been loads of different options and part-time programs outside the house. One of the programs I did had a videogame design class, and another one had a stop-motion animation course. And then the ability to make my own schedule allowed me to work on my own creative projects in my freetime, which has pretty directly led to everything I do for work as a filmmaker today. Don’t get me wrong, I def know people who have had bad experiences (mostly bc of extremely sheltering parents) but the concept as a whole can be really liberating and empowering so that kids can learn in the way that suits them and spend their time on things that matter.
This is what I wish people understood. It whole depends on the parenting. You can have antisocial, sheltering, religious parents and go to public or private school and lack proper social development.
Alot of stuff said here,id like to point out one difference is home school produces the awkwardness where as public schools do not. It was something the kid in with or predisposed to
Yeah my husband knew a home schooled family and the kids were great and super smart. The mother was teaching them about Spain and their history and they decided to go to Spain for a month to really live it and learn it. I think most home schooled people don't fall in this category though.
exactly 100%
@@TheNewblade1 It’s like you didn’t read the comment at all.
I just graduated as a lifelong Canadian homeschooler, and I had the most amazing experience. I was bullied by my peers for being homeschooled and spent the first 14 years of my life nearly friendless, but I wouldn’t change a single thing. I’m miles ahead of my peers in most areas of education and have already made a couple thousand dollars this year from my art business that I started independently and completely financed myself by working 2 jobs. I was super anxious for my early teens, but when I got a fast food job and made my best friends I have overcome that anxiety. I have developed very useful interpersonal skills and I often have adults telling me how inspiring I am, and that I will go places in life. You don’t need your parents to be geniuses to teach you. My parents taught me how to study, and in highschool I learned everything from textbook curriculums (including Physics). I will be homeschooling my future kids, because that’s how I have become the person I am very proud to be today. I hope to write a book about this one day, because it’s very nuanced, but there’s nothing more important than creating a new generation of youth that can learn and grow independently and think for themselves.
You go girl!!!❤
She said its in a library? Like ma'am if YOUR kid has a "inappropriate" library book, then care to explain why they are at the library unsupervised? Librarian are not babysitters.
Say it louder for the people in the back!
(Also, I just wanna throw this in here, if kids are curious about sex and they can't find an age appropriate explanation from a trusted adult or a book they'll find it on the internet and that's bound to go wrong obviously)
She probably saw this first and didn't give it to the kids, for sure. She was just giving an example.
@@PriscilaKlopper that doesn't explain why she's mad that it's in a public library.
@@mika628 my assumption is that the book was put on display in the children's section, which would influence children to pick it up and look through it. I'm sure the issue wasn't that the resource is available, but that it's being promoted.
Why would a library have an inappropriate book readily available to children? But also why would you leap to such a wild conclusion when she said nothing about her kids actually getting ahold of the referenced book? Sounds like a you problem.
I’ve heard “should you put your kid in public, private, or homeschool?”
The response: “see what’s best for your child!”
as well as yourselves. Homeschooling is an extra full time job that requires significant extra commitment of time and resources past being a regular parent. Some kids will thrive, some have parents completely unqualified and uninterested in bettering themselves. It depends entirely on the student and parents
It sounded to me like the public schoolers were very narrrow-minded and only thought about their own personal experiences and schools. Public schools all throughout the US are vastly different. There were only 3 black kids in my high school, which was made up of 3 towns because we were all too small. The rest o the student demographic was white. There were not very many opportunities compared to schools with a larger student population or a school in a wealthier area. I think small town schools are often forgotten about in these conversations because they get no representation.
Diversity of thought is far more important than diversity of outward appearance.
I think the answer is clear. Private if you can afford it.
@@NikkiBudders Our daughter is a big fan of Marrie Skłodowska-Curie. Probably Marrie, her sibilings and other kids at her parent's school, couldn't grow to be so succeessful, if they'd had been homeschooled....
Public school is never what is best for the child.
As someone who was homeschooled due to bullying and mental health, I have to agree. I lost a lot of 'normal' social skills, like how to react, respond, and more. However, I didn't have many options, as I didn't want to stay at school and continue being bullied and feel anxious all the time or remain at home. At that time, staying at home was the 'safest' option. This year, I'm going to a place with lots of other people to interact with them and learn basic social skills.
In my opinion you should find groups of what you are interest in, you are gonna fell more relaxed and you already know what you can start with, the best choice is start little
@@Bibi-zz6qj thank you for the advice. I will definitely look into it. :)
you could went outside and touched grass?
@@Bewefauanxiety exists?
What I would like to see, is rather than students being pulled out of school for being bullied, that the schools really crack down on bullying and make the students all feel safe enough to stay.
I’m sorry you were bullied to the point you felt you had to leave.
I was homeschooled. I was socially awkward when i became an adult. Took about 6 months to break out of it. Im a finance consultant a incredibly social career. Humans are able to adapt, just takes alittle work.
I think preteens and teens are naturally socially awkward.
Not everyone. My guess is that you were naturally an extrovert but it wasn't developed when you were homeschooled. When you started spending more time out in the world, and put in a little work, those natural tendencies surfaced. But I know tons of ppl who are socially awkward and have been working literal decades to try to overcome it and they still haven't. Everyone person and every situation is different, which I think is really what this entire video kind of boils down to anyway.
thank you, I would kiss you if I was near you
Did you check if you have some degree of Autism?
Are you the only child?
I love Camille. She tripped over her words a bit at first, but she ended up being one of the strongest voices- not for homeschooling necessarily, but for honesty and rationality.
The homeschooling mom teacher contradicted herself so many times. She said teachers should teach facts but then it is okay for parents to impose their ideologies when the parents are basically teachers in that setting. At least in schools, there are many different opinions and perspectives and kids need to be exposed to that.
I disagree that public school equals diversity. That is very specific to the area you live. Public schools are government run neighbourhood schools. There is only so much time and room for nuanced discussions. I agree that a quality education will expose you to differences in culture and opinion. I think some teachers and parents are fantastic at achieving this. Others not so much. But it is something that requires a conscious effort.
I think I get what she says. Your teacher doesn’t know your culture, she only knows the culture she is required to teach. Your family knows your culture and are more qualified to teach it, so they should
There was that or when she and the guy in the red shirt would say, “well it’s not all home school situations,” when a sizable CON we mentioned against them but when incidents happened at a some public schools, the response was, “see, but it IS happening at some.”
Like, pick one. It’s only defensible if it’s only some being affected on your point but if it’s sometimes happening on the opposing points view, it’s evidence that the whole system is terrible.
@@arachnid33 My high school was 98% white. 🤣🤣
I was taught to be colorblind and treat people fairly, and as an individual, no matter who they are. "Diversity" is just a buzzword and it doesn't really mean anything these days.
There are not different perspectives in public schools. Teachers will you show and tell only one perspective.
Something I’ve noticed is that parents who’ve homeschooled their kids, loved homeschooling, but kids that were homeschooled can often have bad things to say about it.
Yup, most kids wouldn't be happy to be stuck home with parents all day. How do kids make connections, friends, get role models that aren't relatives. So many downsides
@@torrentz4life392It's called Fear of Missing Out, if everyone had the same arrangement of homeschooling you wouldn't see the trend of unhappiness.
I would disagree. I was homeschooled and loved it and know many others that feel the same way.
THIS
I was homeschooled and I would say it's 50/50. I loved it but realistically kids should be given the choice by high school as to what they would prefer.
I don't like it when red shirt said if all the public school teachers were qualified they would all be putting out great students. You can lead a horse to water... you can't make every kid learn, or even pay attention or come to school!
Where I'm front even if a student was failing there were passing them through regarding...Just to save face on how terrible of a job they were doing. In some places in America the reading level is below average State wide...What he is saying is true .Students transferring from developing countries are passing American students and graduating at the top of the class ..African transfers beat American students almost everything... The American education is Very much falling behind ...
Couldn't agree more. Each child is different, and there are so many outside factors that go into this.
I think his point is that teachers have like 30 students per class. If some fail and some don't it doesn't really affect them much. But for parents teaching their kids, it's 100% personal. They HAVE to make their kids learn, and do well to succeed. Now, it doesn't always work, I agree, cause there's people that are just unable to sit and learn, or are always angry, etc, but as a foreigner I can tell you that American Education is basically dead last compared to the world. Teachers here don't have any authority, are underpaid, and often don't care to put in effort. If a child acts out, the worst they can do is detention. But most kids are terrified of their parents, so it's harder to act out.
"Public schools are the best way to expose children to diverse groups". Absolutely not true across the board. I grew up in a town of 800 people in the midwest. Basically, all white farmers. Some sprinkles of different cultures but muted. Not much for diversity. When I went to college, it was a shock. I understood the definition of diversity but did not know what it meant in practice.
@@sammyal21 People in Asia are all homogeneous. There's basically zero diversity there. And yet, they somehow are the smartest or most successful group. Diversity is nice, but it's not a necessary thing to learn and be successful. People also forget that within a group there's so much diversity of economics, of thought, of religion, of skills, etc. In your example of 800 Midwesterners, how many were mechanics, or miners, or famers, or did other skilled jobs. How many were poor and rich and middle class. How many were lazy, or hard workers. All of these are diversities. As a child you look around and learn about different types of people and different personalities or skills they have and you maneuver them. Just cause their skin goes from pale to dark, doesn't mean their personalities are much different than if you grew up with black or asian farmers.
As a homeschooled kid( since 5th grade), I hated it. Social awkwardness +100, self-identity -1000. Actually everything Reese has said is exactly who I was
That had nothing with you being homeschooled but rather your parents who failed you as a homeschool parent. My children are homeschool and extremely social. When I was in school there were plenty of socially awkward kids with anxiety.
Give examples of this "social awkwardness?"
@@sarahp.3772 definitely
maybe your parent should have made socializing a subject
@alpacamale2909 I think because I grew up with 11 other siblings they thought that was enough.
My husband and I were both homeschooled and we are currently homeschooling our own kids. It would have been even more well-rounded if they invited a second-generation homeschooler to join the discussion. I have so much I would have loved to share!
aw please make a youtube video about this, we are considering homeschooling. we both had traumatic public school experiences.
The moment the home school woman clarified that the inappropriate book was in a PUBLIC LIBRARY I lost all opinion of her credibility. Like ma'am, you can't use that in an argument against those kinds of books in an elementary school, they are not even close to being the same. Everything else she said in the video was just completely invalidated for me
I mean you should look at the books that are in actual schools. Because they are there. Look up the book Flamer.
@@morganberner2458if they are in a high school it’s probably a lot better than what kids are reading at home *cough* wattpad *cough*
You should ask your local elementary school librarian how they get new books for the library I have and what I was told is the library is sold age bundles and there are more books then the librarian can monitor so if a book is not appropriate it 9 out of 10 gets shelved. Check out the book debate in Keller Texas
FYI my kid’s school library is also my small town’s public library.
And there’s a lot worse things you can find on the Internet. Wattpad is a thing. Also, TikTok is a big place for people to find new books A book that was very popular was called icebreakers which looks like a cute little teen story when it’s not And so many young teens We’re getting a hold of that book
I'm sorry but social anxiety and awkwardness is not homeschool vs public school... it's just people.
Spot on! A point most people in the comment section seem to be missing!
I would say that public schooling can serve as a kind of exposure therapy for someone with social anxiety, speaking from experience. But I can also say that if an individual is facing major bullying at public school, just about anything else is better.
Also, A home schooling parent can create those social interactions as well if they wanted, its just home schooling isnt exactly regulated so many parents just dont.
Exactly. I was in public school and was socially awkward in middle & high school.
@@TheSpencer1000 the thing is most homeschooled children don't stay home and only socially interact with their parents.
In the US, most homeschooled children join co-ops where they interact with other children of all ages and grades as well as adults for several weeks in a year not to mention the many other social activities they participate in on a weekly basis if not daily.
The idea that somehow homeschooled children just stay home is so weird. It goes to show how little people really know and understand about homeschooling.
My two older kids were homeschooled in their younger years when we lived in the UK. After we moved to the US, my oldest opted to go to high school (her choice) but her attendance there didn't magically change her social skills. She has Autism and disliked social interactions at her peer level, but had no problems interacting with adults and engaging in complex discussions, when she was inclined to.
On the other hand, my second daughter, who has ADHD and is more of a social butterfly didn't do well in the school environment but thrived in the homeschool community and had great social connections.
The premise that a person who attends public school has better social skills is rather flawed. As the OP said, social interactions, social skills, etc, is a people issue not where a person does/n't attend school.
It's not that public school gets rid of awkwardness. It's that it allows for growth in those areas through exposure with peers. It's literally the only way to get better at awkwardness or anxiety. You have to surround yourself and interact.
I developed social anxiety in public school. I don’t think being there makes you have social interactions because I genuinely never talked to anyone and refused to do a lot of things out of fear. I finished hs at home and I loved it. I do think being in a sport young might help but idk I got bullied in my first sport for being bad and that gave me permanent damage tbfh 😭
Do you work remote also?
@@LaviVick88 I’m in college (online) full time rn so I don’t really work outside of taking art commissions.
@@Val-xx Same. I developed social anxiety in public school. I overcame a lot of that by doing community theatre, but even in college I couldn't advocate for myself in a classroom or speak out. Something about that type of environment is a real challenge for some people.
Exactly
What will help your children is to go to a school in whihc bullying is no allowed. I hope such schools do exist in U.S.
11:25 WOW! Conflating a public library that is open to adults and that does have books that aren’t approved for school libraries is not the same as having that book in a school library.
If this teacher was teaching my child I would demand to have her removed. Because what she just said is pretty ridiculous.
NO it is not because there are actually videos of parents who have brought books like this that are in elementary school libraries and just to prove you wrong I will go find them and come link them well I can't link them but since your so smart make sure you copy and paste and watch them because you are absolutely wrong and it has happened. 😂 wake tf up.
@@PrettiePessimistik Cool. But you do realize it takes zero effort to buy a book on Amazon, place it on a shelf and record yourself saying, “Hey! Look what I found. Ban all books!”
If you look up "Karen" in the dictionary, you would see her face 🤣
@@Quanic2000😂
yep never seen anything like that in my 12 years in school
Being awkward introvert kid - the best feeling for you is homeschooling. I wish I was homeschooled, not traumatized by exposures to paramount of abusers.
haha imagine
Same here! I agree!
I kind of agree, especially when it comes to middle school
Same here and it was over 20 odd years ago in a different country. Teachers weren’t doing Jack and so enabling to the bullies just to be liked themselves. I hated school BUT NEVER hated learning.
@@tupums do you think being homeschooling in general can help an introvert become more extroverted or just make it worse? Cause for me, I was extremely introverted at first, but school kind of forced me to be more extroverted and to interact with people in different settings. For me school helped with my social awkwardness tbh.
Was homeschooled and am now a hairstylist. Literally talk to people all day every day. I’m an introvert so I don’t love it, but I’m great at it😂
❤👍 I have two introvert sisters who are servers. They're always *so* tired when they get back home, probably from all the interaction.
some people are saying that if they went to public school, they would have been less socially awkward, but for me, i still am socially awkward and have social anxiety, and maybe it's because i go to a private school, but i feel like if i went to public school i still would be quite socially awkward. social awkwardness and anxiety can be because of little to no social interaction, but also because of just how a person is.
the difference is that you understand social interaction works and social cues. You may be socially anxious, but unlike many homeschool kids you actually learned the unspoken rules of socialization.
@@cheesetoob Homeschooled all my life, currently in university, was in a vast amount of homeschool support groups, homeschool class groups, camps, and speech and debate and other extracurriculars. the vast majority of homeschoolers i met understood social queues, even better than a lot of college kids I have met. The only ones who had issues with social queues were neurodivergent kids. People mix up neurodivergent weirdness with homeschool weirdness a lot I believe because there is a much larger ratio of neurodivergent to neurotypical kids in the homeschool realm due to bullying and generational homeschooling due to bullying
@@elliemae45then, homeschooling is extra dangerous because teaching a neurodivergent kid is a whole different thing and most likely, those parent are not trained…
@@Patricia-cn7oxoh you have no idea. Do you know how many parents have to pull their kids out of school because of the lack of accommodations for neurodiverse kids????? In my homeschool group, I can't even list one family that doesn't have a neurodivergent kid. Maybe it's different where you live, but our schools here aren't helpful. We had one parent who was literally told her child would never be able to learn or to speak. He's THRIVING now. Please don't assume something you clearly don't have personal experience with.
@@Patricia-cn7ox I'm heavily ADHD along with other neurodivergencies. I'm also a nationally qualified debater, in my university's Honors program, worked steadily for 2 years while in high school, have plenty of friends and am in a happy relationship. I'm doing great, just like many other autistic, ADHD, OCD, and dyslexic homeschooled kids I know. I've met multiple who were pulled out of public school by their parents because they were being bullied and the public school system was failing to care for them. They thrived in the homeschool system and are doing great now. I know many neurodivergent parents who chose to homeschool because of their horrible experiences with public schooling. Their kids are doing great. The government absolutely cannot be trusted to deal with neurodivergent kids who don't fit into their uniform, cookie-cutter, boxed-in schooling systems. If it isn't meeting the needs of the kid, then homeschooling is likely a much more healthy option.
My cousins were homeschooled, three being adults now. It was barely even school, just playing video games all day. And the parents knew that. One child is a stay-at-home partner, the second has works at a grocery store and threw away all his money for his girlfriend of three months, the third does not know proper grammar (no clue on what words to capitalize in a sentence, cannot use commas, etc), and the fourth's only "education" was being taught Taekwondo. More on that third kid, he is an adult who refuses to acknowledge/say he's wrong and apologize to people face-to-face. It truly depends on the parents and the EFFORT they put into their child's education.
There will obviously be those rear cases but I truly believe the bad effects of public school by far outweigh that of homeschool, but at the end of the day it is all about the child, some will benefit more from school and the others will benefit more from being homeschooled.
Yeah, because in capitalist UK & in most of the states in U.S. there is no mandatory education!, thus, parents can choose to teach the kids: nothing at all.
In countries with madatory school up to the end of high school, the country sees itself resposible of the education of the chidren, the home schoooled children are visted by the authorities, they parents need to follow some program, also, parents who do not want to give education to the children, in extreme cases, they are even sent to jail for this reason.
Also, they country makes plans to help struggeling students to finish high school (which means" in some high schools teacher would even go to the home of a student and persue her/him to go school, if needed)
I do not trust all the parents, I don't think all of them really care or have the capacity to understand the importance of the education for their children...
Exactly, it depends on the effort put in by the parent. Homeschooling is not to be taken lightly. The description of your cousins is often seen in most households of public school students. Their parents leave all the teaching to the school teachers. Teachers are quitting because students lack respect and have shorter attention spans due to hours spent on their phones, tablets, and video games.
I have seen the same to similar outcomes though with those who went to school as well. Some kids in general, regardless if they do Homeschooling or regular schooling it all comes down to their support system at home and if their parents care to help and teach with home work.
@@Rebekahlavy Indeed, eventually the education of the children depends a lot, or mainly, on the parents support, on the home they came from, not on the school only.
The mix between the school and the parents, produces successful, happy children, which a positive view to the life challenges
Just graduated from a homeschool group. I had to give a speech to them (a group with hundreds of families filled with 10 kids each). My speech ended like this: "homechooling does not gaurentee greatness, but gives you the opportunity to be great. You either learn to be independent, or you drop out of the race. Take advantage of the time you have as a homeschooler..." My point being that there are motivated homeschoolers and there are less motivated homeschoolers. Just like there are motivated and less motivated public schoolers. Same way there are social and less social public and home schooolers. In the end, you are the main character of your own story. I am grateful to be with a home school group, but know plenty of homeschoolers who havent gotten the same opportunity. Parents and teachers alike need to keep track of their students, but again, it all comes down to the student himself.
Agreed❤
thank you!
Exactly. It's like that quote from Ratatouille:
"Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere."
Luck is also a factor, of course. Sometimes the vicissitudes of life can lead you in very different directions, but at the end of the day, you hold the steering wheel for your life's ship.
@@haku1145 Just learned a new word: vicissitude.
Google definition for others who've never heard this word: *A change of circumstances or fortune, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant*
This is so true. As a homeschooler with multiple kids. I have one very self motivated learner who will eventually go to college, and one kid who loathes schoolwork and sees it as a chore. He plans on starting welding school at 16. It all comes down to their personality. Both will be successful in their own way, but neither is necessarily better.
This is by far one of the best Middle Ground episodes ever. People are reasonable and respect each other. More of this, please.
Not Isabel 😭😂 she ready to make everyone uncomfortable
@@kimbbles1 true
I went to public school and I struggled all through grade school with social anxiety, extreme shyness, and low self worth/self esteem. I had zero friends in highschool. Sat by myself at lunch every day for 4 years. The idea that kids need public school for socialization is a myth. Public school for me resulted in extreme anxiety and a fear of failing. It also contributed to an anorexia nervosa diagnosis at the age of 11, directly from weighing ourselves in gym class and other girls making fun of my weight (I was a foot taller than them and thus weighed more). I wish i had been homeschooled. I loved my life at home with my mom and siblings.
I went to school with other children and I had social anxiety for years. I still haven't found my identity and I feel disconnected from time to time. It depends on many factors.
I'm currently being homeschooled (10th grade) and I genuinely enjoy it. I go to co-ops and do activities with other people, and while I am socially awkward and introverted, that's more about who I am as a person than being homeschooled.
I will say that my parents are definitely keeping me out of public school because they're er.... very religious and opinionated. However, they haven't succeeded in brainwashing me completely lol. I still get to do a lot of "normal" school things too. I do AP classes, have friends, take field trips, etc. Homeschooling can be great! But it seriously depends on the kid. And I am one of those who loves it!
point to the homeschooling team, just because you sound like a pretty cool kid. 🫡
My kids are homeschooled and more social than school kids, have better communication skills and more confident than a lot of their friends
And what are their political and social beliefs?
@@ileutur6863 are you asking what my kids political beliefs are?
That's cool and I'm happy for them, but you're talking about your own kids so not exactly going to take it at face value either lol. Everyone wants to believe their child is special or better.
@@Sieil I definitely don't think my kids are special it's just an observation, at school they are told to be quiet, not talking. They are seperated from.peers if they are disruptive etc. Which is understandable bcoz they are in a learning environment. But some children learn best by communication (like mine), and with Homeachoolingthey are necessarily silenced.
@@ileutur6863very weird question to ask about literal children.
Grew up in a public school, and it was the worst thing ever for me, specifically. The teachers were horrible to us, and it's really saddening looking at all these people and realizing I could've had teachers that cared about me and my education instead of just focusing on the scores and the perception people have of their class.
Sad to hear that fr :(
I was homeschooled, loved it, and own a company now. Social butterfly, neurodivergent, and happily married with no social stunts. It really does depends on the parents and how they go into it, and what they expose their kids to. Im cultured, street smart, and humble. I grew up in a bad neighborhood, was a lwader and never let my circumstances define me.
I’m a public school health and phys Ed teacher. I’ve taught sex ed at the elementary, middle, and high school levels. It is absolutely necessary to in the public school setting. We start in kindergarten with personal space and safe vs unsafe touch. This is for the safety of the kids. Parents are notified with months of advance and required to sign a form either opting their kids in or out. They have full access to every piece of curriculum that the district uses so they can decide if they want their kid in it. Even with all that, there are so many parents that will never look at the forms and never have a conversation with their kids about sex, their bodies, and what is inappropriate. Those are the kids that we do it for. No one is trying to indoctrinate your kids.
Teaching elementary kids about sex ed stuff is disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself
"Nobody," are you sure about that blanket statement?
@@Iamonepercent I would assume that someone who has the confidence to fire back on a RUclips video comment section about a sensitive topic would have the reading comprehension and communication skills to make in inference based on well documented societal norms. There are always exceptions to the rules. Most people understand that. Sorry for not making it clearer for our lower lexile level friends.
@@torchic00004 I think what’s disgusting and shameful is the amount of children that are sexually abused at a young age. And what’s more is that the abusers often face no repercussions because their victim doesn’t even realize that what happened was inappropriate.
@@torchic00004 are you against protecting children?
Homeschooling is illegal in Germany....I think due to needing to have social interactions. Public authorities want to be in charge and control of schooling to make sure there's a common educational background. This also should prevent from different education like devout religious motivated education.
Absolutely and also that children/teens get the chance to have a person they trust outside of their family circle. Teachers can be a great help to get out of a domestic violence situation.
Germany has an ugly history of using public education to indoctrinate youth. Homeschooling is legal in most other European countries.
@@alexandrak.2797 I diagree, athletics has all the necessary social interaction needed prior to college. Homeschooled students either perform as well or better than private school students, and out perfrom public school students in terms of socioeconomic outcomes.
Actually, it's forbidden to prevent parallel societies. You can only have your basic rights if you have the change to choose from different options.
That’s terrible, sounds like the state wants more rights over children than the parents.
Homeschooled my whole life, all siblings were homeschooled, all of us I would say are confident and independent. The home situation and personality factors I think really determines how a kid reacts to their education. Not necessarily the education itself all the time
I was a 3rd grade teacher and i dont think I'd even touch the "difference between gay vs lgbt" question. Id immediately defer that child to their parents and if the parents dont want to talk about it, then so be it.
But that child will never be able to say "Mr. *redacted* taught me about the lgbt." As a male teacher especially, I have to tread suuuuuper lightly around those kinds of questions.
I would respond that LGBT are initials and that the G in LGBT stands for gay. All gay people are LGBT but not all LGBT are gay because each letter stands for a different word. Now if a kid that young wanted a definition of the word gay or any other part of LGBT I would direct them to there parents or perhaps hand them a dictionary.
@Enchantica333 and see for as textbook as that is, that may even be too far for some parents. You saying the word "gay" is like swearing at a child to some families. I just wouldn't touch it at all. Not my place as a teacher
It really depends on how you answer their question. If you make it weird, like talking about gay sex and genitals, then obviously it’s going to be weird and creepy. If you say “gay is when Johnny has two dads and LGBT is a group for people like Johnny’s dads who love others from their own gender” you’ve done nothing wrong. None of them are dirty or taboo things and kids should learn about how other people live their lives instead of fearing what they don’t understand
@@sarah.n.s.c. But it isn't just a "group for people who..." This is textbook gaslighting.
@@user-sx9hq7qwert textbook gaslighting💀 get a grip. The LGBTQ is complicated, but like everything else, you explain it in a way that fits the educational and maturity level of the child. In English, you first teach them that poems rhyme, and then later you teach them about the iambic pentameter. You don’t do it all at once, because they can’t comprehend everything, but that doesn’t mean that poems or iambic pentameters don’t exist. Whether you like it or not, queer people exist and as a teacher you don’t get to shield children from that because their parents are conservative snowflakes
Public school today is WILDY different than public school even just 5-10 years ago.
How so?
@@CookieCurlsnot sure. I just graduated. Felt the same tbh
Notice how when the topic of inappropriate material comes up, the homeschoolers will just actively lie about the issue and then back pedal when questioned on it. The homeschool mom brought up the example of the "sex position for first graders" book, but when shes questioned, she can't name the book and then admits it wasn't a part of the curriculum, just present in the public library, where anyone of any age would have access to it. If i presumed this book actually existed, it just existing in a public library is fine as far as I'm concerned, but i suspect that she's not being honest, and in fact, she's likely referencing a talking point thats perpetuated by conservative media outlets, who themselves, frequently lie and embelish the prevalence of inappropriate material being given to their children by the education system.
I agree that she didn't come up as honest there. But the other 3 homeschoolers did not lie. Why do you put them all in the same boat?
No, ONE lied. And unfortunately her views are leaking into the public schools. Our public schools are banning books. But in my homeschool, that basically makes them required reading lol.
Exactly. She’s literally a prime example of what happens when you’re shielded from people with different opinions and beliefs. If actually had this conversation with someone who had two brain cells to rub together, they would’ve checked her already and she wouldn’t be embarrassing herself on the internet. But chances are she only watches Fox News and is surrounded by people who do too
Howd this get upvoted with so many things wrong?
@10:45 "Would you lay out specific examples of that?"
*couldn't give specific example*
Homeschooling mom teacher: "Well I saw a book laying out postions for kids!!!!"
"Can you give an example of the book/which book is that?"
*proceeds to reveal that it is not at a school but at a public library*
😂😂😂😂 The loops to jump to try to make fiction a reality here is astounding.
Yes! That portion did it for me. She noticeably became a little annoyed that the other lady who kept inquiring (rightfully so) with specific questions of inquiry for more details and TRUTH. It’s as if she hoped she be able to lay out a vague “tale” and it would be accepted as fact.
People like her just hate LGBTQ people and don't want to admit it.
All my knowledge didn’t come from school, they had classes, but I was far too embarrassed being in such a group to learn anything. I remember my mum giving me a book and I learnt sooooo much more that way. I have no problem with kids learning that way
@@rickkia you have to remember, she is used to homeschooling were she doesnt need to actually back up her statments to her child. Those vague tales is exactly what she teaches her children.
Gender Queer is probably the most famous one, but here are some other books in public schools:
Flamer
This Book Is Gay
Let's Talk About It
These books are in California schools.
Isabel comes off so condescending when everyone was being super respectful and just sharing their thoughts.
Yes she lost me near the beginning with her argument about bullying and depression leading to better resilience later in life. It's such a toxic way to look at things especially when teens are dealing with mental health issues at a rate we've never seen before. It's also verifiably false that trauma = resilience.
She lost me with that argument as someone who went to public school
What I always question about people with her argument is why do they come off with doubts first instead of interest in the issue when presented with a situation "they've never seen happening". They literally acknowledge they've never been through it or seen it and, because of this, they choose to dismiss any possibility of it happening? It's like they feel it's a lie from the other side. They are constantly in denial.
It’s the tone of voice for me that made me 👎🏼 since she first started talking
I believe y’all forget the show is titled, “middle ground.” We need the middle ground because these are people who don’t agree on the same things. If she wasn’t “condescending” as you imply, then there won’t be a reason for her to be here. Do you get?
I had an incredible time in this video, thank you to Jubilee for the opportunity to meet such amazing educators and people! At the end of the day, both sides just care about preparing future generations for the world as best we can, and only through collaboration between parents and teachers can we give our students the best chance at success.
congrats
hey kian, random question but are you persian?
Amen to this! Was great meeting you :)
I truly wished there was another group of homeschoolers on this episode because if I were debating on whether or not to homeschool, I would change my mind based on this episode.
As a homeschool graduate and homeschooling mom of 7, I don't feel that the homeschool advocates here truly represented or displayed the benefits of homeschooling 🤦🏾♀️.
Damn, almost like how homeschooling plays out isn’t a universal experience and is a case-by-case basis depending on how it happened to you.
Ikr crazy how parents can actual mistreat their kids which is most of abuse cases. @@Clink944
I agree.
I was homeschooled and I loved it. But we joked that it was “car schooling” because we were always traveling places and taking classes with other homeschooling families. We even lived in another country for a while and spoke multiple languages. Now I’m a public school teacher and I love my job. Every child and every family is different so diverse schooling options are extremely important.
XD
I was in public school my whole life but I was very socially awkward. There are many reasons why people become shy or awkward.
I went to public and private schools and im still socially awkward 🤷♀️. I dont think the type of schooling is a factor here.
It really does come down to parenting and life experience. If your homeschool parents deny a proper and full social life, you're gonna be awkward. If your parents send you to public school but limit who you spend time with and don't teach you to speak up... same thing.
It is exactly the type of schooling, public schools in USA are generally designed to provide the bare minimum accounting for tax dollars. There is only a liability when the school is below average but never an incentive for anyone to overachieve. That is why public school in much worse areas of USA tend to not overachieve and provide the best services despite costing communities even millions cause simply there is no money in those communities!!!!! (thus you get half a cheese burger)
Socialization is beyond getting along with peers of the same age. It should be a scenario where empathy, service, ability to navigate in different cultures, with different ages.
The big thing about homeschooling is that it is what you make it. Homeschoolers can be even more socially adept than public schoolers if you help them get involved in activities. And with the idea of being prepared for college, a lot of homeschoolers are better prepared for college than public schoolers. I did a co-op and had class once a week, and the managed my own time and did all my homework during the week. In a lot of ways, I was more prepared for college because of homeschooling.
I’m thankful I was homeschooled and went to a co-op
WW
Financial education is a subject that needs to be taught.. at home or in school...nobody brought that up🤔
Can you guys do a middle ground of IPhone vs Andoid users? I feel like this could be an underrated topic.
That's a religious issue. 😊
While we're at it, how about coke vs pepsi?
I was homeschooled pretty much my whole life.
I was involved in homeschool co-ops, church youth groups, I was involved in other small groups and clubs in my town. Just because I didn’t grow up going to school traditionally doesn’t mean I wasn’t socialized. And honestly, I think it made me less socially awkward than I would have been.
Do I have some gaps in my education? Maybe a little, but everyone does, ultimately you’re being taught by other people and that leads to human error.
My first experience in “real school” was when I took dual credit college classes at 15, and then when I was 17 I went to an out of state university.
It all comes down to the parents and the teachers. There were so many people my freshman year who went to a traditional school who were not ready for it because they weren’t properly prepared.
What’s best for one child won’t be best for all of them.
As a homeschool mom of 6 children, I appreciate this perspective so much. Thank you for sharing.
red shirt is the wisest and most sound guy i see here
"I am satisfied with the American education system"
Leslie: my managers might watch this
"They're teaching sex to 3rd graders, its everywhere"
"Can you tell me where or give specifics?"
"Its out there" = I read it on social media and didn't fact check
Very disappointing none of the prompts were about how harmful public school bullying can effect children
Same
That's not really the fault of public schools is it? We can blame them for not doing anything about it but bullying happens because people can be immature and poorly socialized. The fault lies with parents who don't bother to teach their kids how to treat others. The issue then, is kids being exposed to other kids who are poorly socialized. Also, bullying doesn't just stop after you graduate high-school, or even college--sometimes its just called abuse or done in ways that are less overt. Bullying is a human problem...it's present wherever there are humans.
I really wish they had more ppl who are currently experiencing school. Not just educaters
so i’m a homeschool student myself and i really don’t agree with anything anyone is saying here. i have friends that i talk to everyday, i have a boyfriend and i go do stuff all the time. it depends on if the kid will actually put themselves out there to make an effort to talk to people. but i also have felt lonely bc i didn’t get to go to prom or senior sunrise or anything like that but it’s better for me and my mental health. and so many other kids feel that way. i feel like this conversation should have been with completely only students who are currently homeschooling. not adults who have no idea how it can be.
I could complain about a lot of things from my childhood. But now I see the reason for them and how they benefit me down the road. Not saying the kids opinion don’t matter, I guess it would be more important to make sure that they are understanding why things are what they are. So they’re not complaining about things that are there to help them. Also I went to public school and did not go to prom
I don’t like how that woman keeps sayin “promoting”. Having a conversation about certain topics or just educating is not promoting. If a teacher had a picture of their same sex spouse on their desk and a student asks about them, That’s just normal conversation and not promotion
When u have a guide on how to have butt s*x in a elementary school library...That's promoting..and before u try to gaslight me . I saw it with my own eyes .
Because she is q bigot.
100 percent! I typed out a much longer response to a comment not too far above yours but this was one of the points I wanted to make.
It depends, some teachers would do more than just explain their family
Then let's forget promotion. Should books depicting sex acts be in elementary school libraries? I'm not asking you are they currently or if they will be, but rather very specifically should books depicting sex acts be in elementary schools
I hated homeschool. When I got to public school I was mad that I was ever homeschooled. Thankfully I ended making a lot of friends and being fine socially but every single person I knew from my private school and homeschool groups are super super weird and socially awkward they have maybe one friend and got bullied in hs.
Private school is pretty similar to public school. So not sure why you think private school makes you more socially awkward.
@@Emmanuel_EEE I went to a private school for 4 years and the entire school was 20 kids. I had 4 kids in my grade. Everyone ended up socially awkward besides me and my sibling and a select few other kids. I’m speaking from years of experience of going to private school and being homeschooled. What’s ur point?
@@vitalie9904 So are we basing arguments only on anecdotes experience? Most private schools have way more than 20 students attending. 😂 For example, Catholic Private schools.
@@Emmanuel_EEE I was literally just stating my opinion that I hated homeschool and private school and was glad I didn’t end up socially awkward when I went to public school 😭😭
@@vitalie9904 And I can challenge that opinion. 😆
8:39 "Puerto Rican immigrant." I guess I'm a Puerto Rican immigrant.
His Public Schooling is showing 🤣
LMAOOOO when I heard that I was like HUH 🥴🤣 baby noooo, Puerto Ricans are born US citizens. Pobrecito
I think he meant migrant 😂
I immediately came to the comments soon as I heard that 😭
LITERALLY 😭😭😭
"A book existing is different than it being in curriculum". "But it is in curriculum" moments earlier "I saw this at a public library". Ma'am. Those are not the same thing... Also... does anybody have proof of this book she claims exist?
She said its in a library? Like ma'am if YOUR kid has a "inappropriate" library book, then care to explain why they are at the library unsupervised? Librarian are not babysitters.
Public school is the first place many children experience hate and physical abuse in their lives
EXACTLY!
I was bullied relentlessly in public school. I was the dirty, poor girl in a rich town.
Yes because they should know about the outside world and how some people bully others and learn how to respond or avoid such situations
(The world isn't rainbows and sparkles, they SHOULD know)
Honestly
@BreakdownxD that was exactly what happened to me. For me the best thing, would have been homeschooling due to my personality and learning style. I was able to understand what my style of learning was and was also taught the different styles, in, which people learn and this also confirmed what I understood about myself.
I’m about to start homeschooling in the UK! This was an interesting conversation. I think for the most part both sides are striving to raise thinkers and not just workers. No one wants isolation, bullying, or a lack of control in what our children are exposed to. I think whatever path families choose, a healthy supportive home and/or school environment makes a difference in who our children become as adults.
I homeschool my child and I really disliked this discussion. Nothing was relatable, and everything was case by case.
First off, Kian seems awesome, dude seems like a great educator and his kids are lucky to have him.
And secondly the Home Schooling parents constantly lying about stuff is so frustrating. "Well there is a book" what book "i dont know". Cool story bro.
Only one lied
This was the most respectful, calm, enjoyable cast of Middle Ground yet. So often, folks are clambering to speak up and over each other, push each others buttons, and can even be rude. This crowd actively listened to each other and seemed to finish their thoughts without getting cut off. Cheers to these wonderful educators, parents, and young adults!
Kian was supposed to be on the public schooling side but him being a teacher is the best argument agianst public schools
I’m not done watching this but I really hope they address the issues of abuse covered up by homeschooling. Kids need multiple adults in their lives in case their parents are not safe. 57% of child abuse reports are filed by professionals (teachers, doctors, etc). By keeping kids away from these professionals, it is scary what abuse parents can hide
the most occurrences of abuse happen in public schools. kids are the most unsafe from teachers.
I had a horrific childhood in my home. I was public schooled. I confided in many adults at my school along with police officers and nothing was done to help me. I now homeschool my kids. They are safe, educated, have many many friends and participate in sports. Being in the system does not guarantee a safe place.
@@g24792 I never said “the system” was perfect and I’m sorry it failed you. There are still many cases of abuse that go unreported and cases that are reported but don’t receive support or follow through. But imagine if you were homeschooled by your abusers and were with them 24/7. My issue is that homeschool families generally have no accountability and many parents and kids do not have healthy relationships. If you’re in a school and don’t get along with a teacher, you likely can turn to your parents and also get a new teacher next year. If you’re homeschooled and don’t get along with your parents, then what?
Just so you know, in most states homeschooling homes are inspected every few years to make sure there is no abuse and that the kids are learning. I hope that makes you feel at least a little better.
@arthurcheater3359 Because the vast vast majority of kids are in public school. Of course there will be more
Unless your parents are truly pushing for you to be involved in sports/clubs/friend groups, homeschooling can be disastrous. I was taken out of homeschooling in 8th grade and I'm still struggling with anxiety and making connections at age 21.
But there are people who are in public school who STILL struggle with anxiety, making connections, having friends and talking to other people.
Being in public school doesn't automatically make you a social person, and being homeschooled doesn't automatically make you a non-social person.
It ALL depends on your personality type and what type of individual you are. It's possible to do homeschool and have a lot of friends in your neighborhood. It's also possible to go to public school and yet be completely lonely.
@@AmiriHipHopbecause school can also be disastrous but your always surrounded by other people your age and with different walks of life. No one is saying the public school guarantees friendships or less anxiety but something is better than nothing.
@@kindallnight1615 Some people are indeed implying or directly saying that putting your kid in public school is a more socially beneficial option than homeschooling them.
And I just flatout don't agree with that. It's simply a case by case basis per child.
@@AmiriHipHopright? Especially since making connections in school is infinitely easier than real life or after school because in a class everyone think of their classmates as friends because you're stuck with them for a year but when they graduate they lose touch with them and find out that making friends isn't as easy as school
If you hit 8th grade without knowing how to make friends, homeschooling might not be the real issue here.
I’m socially awkward and I was never homeschooled. My son just graduated and he can’t even tell you how many months in a year. He only learned how to read , anything outside of that he doesn’t know , counting money , knowing how many states are in the US , our first president, nothing . It was like there was no point in taking him to school.
He graduated high school?
@@Geminicricketi yes , that’s how bad our school system is.
@@Geminicricketi I wish I was joking.
As a homeschooler, I'm horrified. How did he get through school without knowing how to read?
@@Elsie-hs5jb I said he only knows how to read but he doesn’t know much of anything else .
I was bullied so badly in public school, and it made me socially awkward and stay with me for years
Same here! I honestly wished I was homeschooled! School was total trauma for me! Lol!
My brothers and I were homeschooled. We all focused on learning and growing as individuals and all three of us became doctors. Homeschooling allowed us to think for ourselves and not be influenced by “the cool kids” at school.
I was homeschooled first grade to junior year of highscool. My mom was so nice and willing to please that my brother and I never learned to love the struggle of working hard to learn. I'm a specific case but I missed so many things in life. College was a struggle because of that, and it took me 7 years to graduate. I made it through being wholly unprepared.
WW
Homeschooling is better because you don't have to follow a strict timetable and curriculum. Instead, your education is tailor made for your needs
With most online class yes I agree! Also some teach investing which is a plus in life lol
That's how it was for me❤👍
My dad just beat me if I didn't get it while I was homeschooled.
I was beat for 6 hours cause I pronounced specific wrong. I still don't say that word
It's so sad that so many people have such bad opinions about homeschooling. I was homeschooled am SO glad I was, and I got to have so much more time to be creative and not be in the stressful, toxic high school culture, and also got to get extra credits for college by taking community college classes in high school.
Same, and completely agree!
I really wish i could look at it the way you do. I was homeschooled since 3rd grade and it was fun at first but then i started to hate it and to this day i hate being reminded that i was :( i feel like the odd one out everywhere i go
I homeschool my kiddos, they're still in elementary grades though. What's your any and all advice or thoughts coming from a home schooled environment?
Many public schools allow students to take college level classes. My brother is a junior and will have a full semester of college done by the end of this year, and has countless creative outlets in school like the school paper, art class, and yearbook
I was homeschooled and it ruined my life and future. I guess it differs person to person...
Normal to me can be weird to you and normal to you can be weird to me. Weird is not some objective truth, life is subjective, not a ruleset to live by. Your perception of normal is mostly bias.
Isabel is the teacher I would definitely talk back to in school. You can just tell she is a grumpy by the books teacher.
Disagree times a million.
My mom wasn't ready to talk to me about the changes that were happening to my body (periods, pubic hair, thoughts about boys). Every conversation she ever had with me happened far too late, they happened after I had already dealt with it (I just started using her pads when my period started and then when she sent me to the grocery store, I bought pads for myself). I got the talk about puberty AT SCHOOL. In some ways I find that letting schools educate kids on these things is not a complete evil but there definitely should be some nuance. People fear the indoctrination of their kids (which is valid), but more so schools are filling in the gaps that parents are simply not willing or ready to talk about.
10:15 When I was in school we were taught about puberty in 5th grade. So that would’ve been in the year 2010 I think. The parents had to sign a paper on if they wanted their kid to learn about it in school or not.
We also didn’t talk about being gay or lesbian at all either. I don’t think there’s anything wrong however with quickly mentioning that sometimes a girl may likes girls or a boy may like boys or a person may like both and that’s all that should be said about it.
I think that’s how all schools should handle talking about puberty.
Yes, that's how it should be. Now it's far beyond that and I remember reading in Toronto they now have Drag Queen Story Time in schools. At first parents had to sign a consent form but a lot of liberal parents protested that and it was dropped to need consent. Then they pushed the school board to drop the ability for children/parents to opt out of the drag storytimes, saying it was a human rights violation. I haven't read any updates to know what came of it, but that seems like a ridiculous thing to make mandatory in schools.
@@falalalalaa I've heard about that. Some schools are taking it too far.
When I was a kid we learnt in grade five as well, with our parents signing a form detailing what was to be covered. My son learnt about s** and gender in kindergarten. The parents were told absolutely nothing. I only knew because I was volunteering that day. I think parents should at least be aware so they can continue the conversations at home. Also some of the information was dated and inaccurate.
You think that because you’re straight. Your child may be gay & might need more than a quick sentence to understand themselves.
@@falalalalaaCould you link some articles about this? Im interested and wanna read about it!
Homeschooled 100% of the time until college. I was not socially awkward or had trouble getting alone with other people. My mom was apart of a HSA. (Home School Association) we did sports, events, and even field trips. I had opportunities to play almost every sport I wanted to. And as a kid you want to do a lot so whatever season it was I was playing some type of sport. I was able to get educated much faster because was homeschooled and finished early and went into college a year early. Plus I wasn’t indoctrinated or pressured to “fit in” and never did any of the drugs and partying that many public schoolers did. I will homeschool my children it’s so much better especially seeing the kids that are coming out of public schools.
Thank you for sharing. I homeschool my son, and get never ending remarks. He is thriving and learning so many life skills at his young age. I am constantly being told by strangers how ahead he is. (He is only 4) My family is constantly asking me how he will be socialized, as if school is the only way to see and interact with other kids.
@@johannakulback9125 my only advice is find a homeschool association. It’s helps with the socializing part especially if sports are available like mine was. Plus those moms usually share your same values
@@christiansilva7662 Yes, agreed. Thank you. He is currently involved in sports, and workshops where he is learning how to build things with the other kids. The program we will be using starts next year, and is awesome. The community has a lot of events, group lessons, and so on.
I was homeschooled through eighth grade. My parents sent me to private school for freshman year and I outperformed most of my peers in most areas. From sophomore to senior year, I was in public school, and I never felt challenged since freshman year. I had no trouble making friends, since my mom had never going to so many youth activities growing up. If you have parents that care enough to dedicate so much time to helping their kids, homeschool is absolutely superior.
Homeschool is superior IF your parents make it superior, the issue is there is very little regulation and therefore it can be used as a tool for serious neglect or brainwashing
@@Bringon-dw8dxHeavy on the BRAIN WASHING!!!!!
i love how they brought on a current high schooler. the range of perspectives is really cool
There are pros and cons to both. Overall the education system needs to be changed to reflect modern times because most of it is nonsense that won't help you in the workforce and adult life.
As someone who was homeschooled, I know I am hurting my own feelings by clicking this video, but alas, I consent to that pain
There are a lot of people here really pretending that putting kids in a school full of diverse people is going to actually lead to them interacting with diverse people in a positive manner. They end up in their little bubbles maladjusted to other kinds of people regardless.
exactly
Cliques.
Seem like Isabel is really against homeschooling. Came into this to argue. I expected these homeschoolers to be too radical, but they were very sensible.