Nice 0-60 comparison but I’d still really love to see each generation at the drag strip! I’d really like to see the difference from the gen 1 to gen 4 mainly
Perfection on testing these two. Put them on the same spec tire and did it in the same conditions. Could not have done it any better. Great job. Also appreciate you not doing a rollout with these times and doing a true 0 to 60mph test
@@lldjslim Yep, look at what 1LT Z51 Vette does with just 495 hp. They can consistently lay down 2.8second 0-60's on street tires. Not on a strip either, just on any plain old road.All about how something works. Albeit two different cars but still killer numbers. The old C7's laid down a decent time for what they had too.
@@MovieMuscle Consider too the 911S with 443 HP, it walks the 1LT Z51. Weighs less, but also it's rear-engine vs C8 mid-engine. In this case of the 911S, C8 and S550/S650 looking at dyno numbers is irrelevant and drivetrain configuration is everything.
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Great video. I appreciate you using the same tires on both. So often car performance comparisons are really tire comparisons. The roll out explanation has to do with drag strips using a beam of light for the timing that is tripped by one of the tires, it doesn’t start recording until the tire has rolled past.
What’s crazy is, I just bought a 2024 eco. After 700 miles I tested my acceleration timer 0-60 in my car. I got consistent 5 to 5.1-2 times over and over. That’s with a full tank of 87 gas and zero drag strip/racing experience what so ever lol. Pretty fast for a 4cyl
put it in drag strip mode and brake torque. I tried once and with a shit launch and advanced traction control on I got 4.74 you can definitely go faster.
More seat time I think the 650 would get even better 60fts. Would love to see them side by side on the strip 10speed vs 10speed eliminate driver shifting differences.
Great video. I would like to see a drag strip race test of stock Gen1, Gen2, Gen3 and Gen4 against each other. I think we all would like to see it ,and that video might get one of the most views of any s650 reviews out there. 😎👍
The 1 ft rollout factored into press reviews 0-60 and 1/4 mile times is supposed to simulate shallow staging on a 1/4 mile track where you can get a slight jump before triggering the clock.
I'm surprised you couldn't get better times. I have a 650 with the 10 speed and 3.55 gears. I did a run with me and my dad in the car and got 4.73 going up a slight incline. I've got the standard all seasons too.
Different day, different conditions, different transmission, possibly different ambient temps and elevation too. The biggest factor is the 10r80. Not only does it shift quicker but the individual gearing is much shorter than the MT82-D4. Since I have the info on my phone I'll cut and paste the gear ratios and overall torque multiplication for comparison.. Getrag MT82-D4 (2018+ Mustang) 1st 3.24 (11.50 or 12.09) 2nd 2.11 (7.49 or 7.87) 3rd 1.42 (5.04 or 5.30) 4th 1.00 (3.55 or 3.73) 5th 0.82 (2.91 or 3.06) 6th 0.62 (2.20 or 2.31) FDR: 3.55 or 3.73 10R80 auto (2018+ Mustang) 1st 4.70 (14.81 or 16.69) 2nd 2.99 (9.42 or 10.62) 3rd 2.15 (6.77 or 7.63) 4th 1.77 (5.58 or 6.28) 5th 1.52 (4.79 or 5.40) 6th 1.28 (4.03 or 4.55) 7th 1.00 (3.15 or 3.55) 8th 0.85 (2.68 or 3.02) 9th 0.69 ( 2.17 or 2.45) 10th 0.64 (2.02 or 2.27) FDR: 3.15 or 3.55 (2.85 Camaro V8)
This is the part about cars that Tik Tok fanboys don't understand. More power is useless if you can't actually put that power to the ground. A 700 hp car is cool but unless you have the tires and suspension to handle the speed you might as well have a 500 hp car
Wow... I just went outside and cold ran a 3.73 0-60 in my Dark Horse (non-HP) with stock tires. You shouldn't have problems being in the 4 second club with stock GT radials, my dude.
Im a huge Mustang fan but this one doesnt seem to make sense...50K for a base GT that isnt really faster, cant be tuned, and is several 100pbs heavier.... honestly seems like we went backwards which makes me disappointed because I do like the looks of this car a lot.
Justin how in the world are these 2 cars pretty much even the 2019 mustang gt has 460 hp at crank while the 2024 mustang gt has 480 at the crank how isn't 20 extra hp not change anything ?.
The S650 definitely sounded stronger off the line. I think if you spent longer working on the S550 launch, you could click off a 4.7 since the 60 ft times are identical. Great job on the apples to apples comparison, Justin! Keep up the real shit!
Another reason I'm holding onto my 2013 Boss 302. 0-60 4.1-4.3. Weight on newer Mustangs is a killer. There's a big difference in delivery even with a solid rear axle and 3.83 gearing #2337
What color is your Boss 302? Last one I saw in person was about 4-5 years ago and it was absolutely beautiful. A truly nice mustang that not many appreciate.
@@mrmike1183 hell yeah. It's not my only car and she's stored away a lot these days. But every time I turn that red key, I'm okay with less than 200 miles a tank loo
Just what I thought! Everyone keeps saying these are faster than my 07 GT500, but my 07 does 4.4 sec all the time no problems and with those tires probably faster!!
I will post a video of the stock summer only tires. This will be from a deaf stop. My 2024 S650 is route. Stock 275s in the rear and 255s. The content creator optioned his S650 wrong.
Justin, should I buy a 2014 6r80 roush supercharged coyote from a dealership for upper 30k range or wait next year for a 10r80 dark horse handling pack?
One-foot roll out is how cars are timed at a drag strip, so I believe mags include that so readers know what to expect should they take their cars to the strip. Note also that most mags publish corrected figures which include density/altitude correction. Still, 4.6 with no roll out factored in on the street is pretty good.
Copied the below info from Car and Driver - I found it interesting how they calculate their figures...omitting a .3 seconds for rollout. This is with a Dark Horse btw so were really not far off. -Justin C/D TEST RESULTS 60 mph: 4.1 sec 100 mph: 9.7 sec 1/4-Mile: 12.5 sec @ 115 mph 130 mph: 16.4 sec 150 mph: 23.2 sec Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec. Rolling Start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
@@americanmuscle If the draggy does not include a roll-out, then the direct comparison is 4.1 to 4.6, which is 1/2-second which is a lot. Then add the drag radials, without which you couldn't break into the 4's, then your times are at least .9 slower to 60 than C/D. But factor in .3 for corrected figures for C/D then we're back down to .6 which is still a lot. Unless I have this all wrong, which won't be the first time.
Fun video, but how about a track? I've tried to get into drag racing, but, for myself, it doesn't hit me like cars around a track. Maybe a base to base comparison and, at some point, a Mach 1 to Dark Horse comparison?
So, the S650 is more money, weighs more and is a butt hair better performance (lateral move)? I guess we'll have to wait to see how it responds to mods (if/when it can be tuned). I appreciate the side by side comparisons for sure.
S550 was more expensive, weighed more than the S197 and it was slower😂 it took like 3 years, a higher compression coyote and a 10 speed transmission just to beat the S197. Looks like history is repeating itself.
Lateral move at best, and that's all we should expect when we get such incremental power bumps combined with more weight. Ford, along with the rest of the industry, has forgotten what a muscle car should be - a lightweight chassis with a high-powered engine that yields superior performance. The S197 was the last chassis that could kind of, sort of fill that requirement. That's why I build 5th Gens and smoke 'em with street killz!
More expensive, heavier, and a little faster than the previous generation. True, but same can be said when each of the last few generations got replaced. Who knows what the future holds when there will be no competition from Camaro & Challenger to motivate Ford to make further improvements.
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60-130 runs between the two
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That would certainly be interesting although I'm not sure they would want to broadcast felonious activity on RUclips.
@@GoGoggansGo On a closed-circuit track not on public roads.
Nice 0-60 comparison but I’d still really love to see each generation at the drag strip! I’d really like to see the difference from the gen 1 to gen 4 mainly
Working on making that happen for you guys! -Justin
@@americanmuscle nice! You are the man!
This is the one... find four competent drivers... break the Internet with a four lane race.
This is going to be awesome!
@@americanmusclethat’s what the people want! Can’t wait!
Perfection on testing these two. Put them on the same spec tire and did it in the same conditions. Could not have done it any better. Great job. Also appreciate you not doing a rollout with these times and doing a true 0 to 60mph test
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
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Goes to show the dyno doesn't tell the whole story.
Thanks for watching! -Zach
Facts
Yep, some cars can look good on paper, but the real world tells the real story
@@lldjslim Yep, look at what 1LT Z51 Vette does with just 495 hp. They can consistently lay down 2.8second 0-60's on street tires. Not on a strip either, just on any plain old road.All about how something works. Albeit two different cars but still killer numbers. The old C7's laid down a decent time for what they had too.
@@MovieMuscle Consider too the 911S with 443 HP, it walks the 1LT Z51. Weighs less, but also it's rear-engine vs C8 mid-engine. In this case of the 911S, C8 and S550/S650 looking at dyno numbers is irrelevant and drivetrain configuration is everything.
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Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Great video. I appreciate you using the same tires on both. So often car performance comparisons are really tire comparisons. The roll out explanation has to do with drag strips using a beam of light for the timing that is tripped by one of the tires, it doesn’t start recording until the tire has rolled past.
Thank you for these videos! You guys have shown the best comparisons I've seen thus far!
We're happy to hear you guys are digging them! -Justin
What’s crazy is, I just bought a 2024 eco. After 700 miles I tested my acceleration timer 0-60 in my car. I got consistent 5 to 5.1-2 times over and over. That’s with a full tank of 87 gas and zero drag strip/racing experience what so ever lol. Pretty fast for a 4cyl
put it in drag strip mode and brake torque. I tried once and with a shit launch and advanced traction control on I got 4.74 you can definitely go faster.
@@bobjenkins3742 explain to me what you mean by brake torque? I wanna try this lol
@@bobjenkins3742 and I should keep the advance trac on?
Nice work Justin! Always good to see an honest test
Appreciate ya man, thank you! -Justin
Great comparison! I like your straight-up and genuine feedback!
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Thank You Justin! Especially with it being done with the Man Pedal!💪.
These cars are virtually identical, it’s just the next model , should have done this , should have done that !!!
Good video Justin
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Justin....Thank you again...very polished speaking. You should be hosting AGT!
Good comparison test good video love seeing this type of stuff thanks Justin👍
More seat time I think the 650 would get even better 60fts. Would love to see them side by side on the strip 10speed vs 10speed eliminate driver shifting differences.
s650 has some weird traction control bogging at the start, or torque reduction
@Rafaahh yea, that bog was killing its momentum for sure.
There's no torque and a heavy car, the 3.55 rear gear is hurting it with the 6 speed gearing
Nice to someone who can actually drive a manual. Nice work. Thanks!
Finally, a real comparison. Kudos to Justin. Now the ten speed test?
Thank you! We don't have any access to stock, 10 speed Gen3 or Gen4 at this time otherwise we'd love to. -Justin
Wow thanks a lot for these comparisons. I wish it was a 10 speed vs 10 speed too.
Another great video Justin!
Thanks for watching! -Zach
I would love to see the 2012 mustang gt 5.0 vs the 2024 mustang gt 5.0. I guarantee the 2012 mustang gt will really surprise a lot of people!
Great video. I would like to see a drag strip race test of stock Gen1, Gen2, Gen3 and Gen4 against each other. I think we all would like to see it ,and that video might get one of the most views of any s650 reviews out there. 😎👍
We need a side by side drag race and roll race.
Love the videos next is the 1/4 😂
We're still working on that one- stay tuned! -Justin
The 1 ft rollout factored into press reviews 0-60 and 1/4 mile times is supposed to simulate shallow staging on a 1/4 mile track where you can get a slight jump before triggering the clock.
Good video. Beautiful vehicles. You’re living the life man!
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Great video love the comparison
Good work Justin and crew
Final thoughts really summed it up 🤙 Thx for making this happen, I'm sure ya had little fun on this one lol
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Just tried mine for fun, 0-60 at 4.3; 2014 mustang gt track pack w/stock wheels etc. that was read on my dashboard
Great video!!!!! Keep doing this
Where's all the s650 haters now saying the s550 was better?
Nice video. Makes me appreciate my 15 GT more actually. 😊
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
I’d like to see them do it again without the carbon traps in the s650 to see those gains aswell
Great video guys
Nice to see someone who knows the difference between quick and fast.
I would like to see 2023 ecoboost vs 2024 ecoboost 0 to 60!
As soon as we our hands on a 2024 Ecoboost we'll have to do that! Thanks for watching! -Zach
Always happy seeing others slam some gears. Good job! How’s the s197?
This video has made me grateful I bought a 10r80 car
This is great - love it! Thank you
Nice driving Justin! 🔥
I love my 305s! My AS are stock 275s and I can feel the difference when I switch them out from the summer tires.
I'm surprised you couldn't get better times. I have a 650 with the 10 speed and 3.55 gears. I did a run with me and my dad in the car and got 4.73 going up a slight incline. I've got the standard all seasons too.
Might depend on his elevation as well. High elevation kills NA engine power due to the thinner air.
Different day, different conditions, different transmission, possibly different ambient temps and elevation too. The biggest factor is the 10r80. Not only does it shift quicker but the individual gearing is much shorter than the MT82-D4. Since I have the info on my phone I'll cut and paste the gear ratios and overall torque multiplication for comparison..
Getrag MT82-D4 (2018+ Mustang)
1st 3.24 (11.50 or 12.09)
2nd 2.11 (7.49 or 7.87)
3rd 1.42 (5.04 or 5.30)
4th 1.00 (3.55 or 3.73)
5th 0.82 (2.91 or 3.06)
6th 0.62 (2.20 or 2.31)
FDR: 3.55 or 3.73
10R80 auto (2018+ Mustang)
1st 4.70 (14.81 or 16.69)
2nd 2.99 (9.42 or 10.62)
3rd 2.15 (6.77 or 7.63)
4th 1.77 (5.58 or 6.28)
5th 1.52 (4.79 or 5.40)
6th 1.28 (4.03 or 4.55)
7th 1.00 (3.15 or 3.55)
8th 0.85 (2.68 or 3.02)
9th 0.69 ( 2.17 or 2.45)
10th 0.64 (2.02 or 2.27)
FDR: 3.15 or 3.55 (2.85 Camaro V8)
This is the part about cars that Tik Tok fanboys don't understand. More power is useless if you can't actually put that power to the ground. A 700 hp car is cool but unless you have the tires and suspension to handle the speed you might as well have a 500 hp car
Great job!!! I love this........outstanding
Thank you so much!! -Zach
s650 is faster. also i think he was shifting better on s550 then s650 for some reason.
my tuned 4 cylinder Camaro can do 4.7sec 0-60. I'm able to keep up with those GT. Top end sucks tho. Not bad since I only spent 2k on upgrades.
Wow... I just went outside and cold ran a 3.73 0-60 in my Dark Horse (non-HP) with stock tires. You shouldn't have problems being in the 4 second club with stock GT radials, my dude.
Im a huge Mustang fan but this one doesnt seem to make sense...50K for a base GT that isnt really faster, cant be tuned, and is several 100pbs heavier.... honestly seems like we went backwards which makes me disappointed because I do like the looks of this car a lot.
Great video
Test testing just like Alex
Giving you the facts
As a mustang guy I am pretty disappointed....even at the level of GT...there are just so many sports cars faster these days
Great video. What gear options available for manuals? It's possible that the 3.55 rear option isn't the quickest to 60.
If it was a 10 speed it would be. I'd be willing to bet in a manual 3.73 would get the best 0-60
Time to throw the Gen 1 S197, Gen 2-3 S550 and the S650 on the strip. Why not show the underdog some love too and throw in a 3v?😎
Great video
Aside from price let's see the Mach 1 go toe to toe with the new GT 480hp.vs 480hp. Let's go!
Nice job Justin. Thats what i asked for.
Happy to oblige sir! -Justin
Justin you doing it brother you are giving the people what they want not like the ford nut huggers 💯
my 2015 auto is still have not lost to any newer GTs or Hellcats .
Can you test base s550 a10 vs base s650 a10?
Agreed! Being a manual man my whole life I bought a 10 speed gen3 and would never buy a 6 speed again.
Justin how in the world are these 2 cars pretty much even the 2019 mustang gt has 460 hp at crank while the 2024 mustang gt has 480 at the crank how isn't 20 extra hp not change anything ?.
The 2024 is quicker. Not sure what you are talking about.
Now we need a 60-130
Manual isn’t ideal for 0-60 and always keep the windows closed.
Goes to show a whole lot crap talking without any real substance. It’s still a solid street car. I don’t run tracks, street is my love
Nice! That is almost Kia quick. Congrats!
Idk i think a stinger GT awd might gap the s650
@@Garf2O Stock the Kia stinger gt awd is a 13 sec car, yeah Ok 😂
@@thefitnesslife4988and a stock Gen 3 GT in average conditions is a 12.5-12.6 car.
@@danieljohn4603 Yes so the mustang is faster lol, that's what I said.
You guys Rock!!
Thanks for watching!! -Zach
Thank you so much for this comparison Justin. S550 is pretty impressive, and as expected it wasn't a big difference in performance at all!!
Does anybody have the link for those forgestars ?
Coyote mustang came out in 2011 and in 13 years it’s been released it’s top speed hasn’t changed
Why would it need to? Top speed is a wasted effort in the US. Tire ratings are usually the limiting factor here anyway.
The S650 definitely sounded stronger off the line. I think if you spent longer working on the S550 launch, you could click off a 4.7 since the 60 ft times are identical. Great job on the apples to apples comparison, Justin! Keep up the real shit!
Pro tip, use a 10 speed...
Autos are 🏳️🌈
Justin is a G for this thanks you good sir 😎
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American Muscle scratching the s650 content itch I've had since these cars got released
What a time to be alive when I consider that 4.8 lagging in performances
A better test is the full quarter mile - the trap speed will give you power to weight ratio.
10 speed way to go now...back in the day i loved my fox 5 speed.
Another reason I'm holding onto my 2013 Boss 302. 0-60 4.1-4.3. Weight on newer Mustangs is a killer. There's a big difference in delivery even with a solid rear axle and 3.83 gearing #2337
What color is your Boss 302? Last one I saw in person was about 4-5 years ago and it was absolutely beautiful. A truly nice mustang that not many appreciate.
@@onefastboi14GHIG. Black wrap on the roof to break up all the green
@@onefastboi14 GHIG
@@stlswagger don't you just love the Boss 302!!! (#0873 HP White)
@@mrmike1183 hell yeah. It's not my only car and she's stored away a lot these days. But every time I turn that red key, I'm okay with less than 200 miles a tank loo
❤Thank you for sharing this God bless you
Another excellent comparison! Any chance we can see them ina side by side roll ?
Just what I thought! Everyone keeps saying these are faster than my 07 GT500, but my 07 does 4.4 sec all the time no problems and with those tires probably faster!!
Would love to see S650 vs a 2020 Bullitt because the Bullitt is 480 HP
Since when do these things weigh 4100?
I honestly thought they were typically a 3800 car?
You're forgetting the 210+ lb driver :) -Justin
I will post a video of the stock summer only tires. This will be from a deaf stop. My 2024 S650 is route. Stock 275s in the rear and 255s. The content creator optioned his S650 wrong.
Justin, should I buy a 2014 6r80 roush supercharged coyote from a dealership for upper 30k range or wait next year for a 10r80 dark horse handling pack?
Take 'em to a race track and see which is quicker 'round corners.
Good stuff! Let's us know what we can expect in the real world since most of us are not professionals. Hell, some of us aren't even Weekend Warriors.
The s650 spun second pretty hard that first time. I need some 305/45r17 mickeys. my 305/35r19 nitto 555r aren't cutting it.
You mentioned not using traction control. Can you educate me on why you wouldn't use it for your launch?
Is the MT82 that bad? My 2019 GT Auto on Bridgestone Potenza S001s with traction on clocks a 4.3 while spinning til ~40mph
I bet the Tredyffrin PD loves you guys. :)
We stay respectful. 😅 -Zach
since the gen 4 is really an updated 15-17 car, do a comparison of them!
One-foot roll out is how cars are timed at a drag strip, so I believe mags include that so readers know what to expect should they take their cars to the strip. Note also that most mags publish corrected figures which include density/altitude correction. Still, 4.6 with no roll out factored in on the street is pretty good.
Copied the below info from Car and Driver - I found it interesting how they calculate their figures...omitting a .3 seconds for rollout. This is with a Dark Horse btw so were really not far off. -Justin
C/D TEST RESULTS
60 mph: 4.1 sec
100 mph: 9.7 sec
1/4-Mile: 12.5 sec @ 115 mph
130 mph: 16.4 sec
150 mph: 23.2 sec
Results above omit 1-ft rollout of 0.3 sec.
Rolling Start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
@@americanmuscle If the draggy does not include a roll-out, then the direct comparison is 4.1 to 4.6, which is 1/2-second which is a lot. Then add the drag radials, without which you couldn't break into the 4's, then your times are at least .9 slower to 60 than C/D. But factor in .3 for corrected figures for C/D then we're back down to .6 which is still a lot. Unless I have this all wrong, which won't be the first time.
Fun video, but how about a track? I've tried to get into drag racing, but, for myself, it doesn't hit me like cars around a track. Maybe a base to base comparison and, at some point, a Mach 1 to Dark Horse comparison?
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Whats this based off of? I have a s650 and can do 3.8 and 3.9. Is it because I have a 10 speed auto?
Gotta slow down in front of my office! (Shout out from Vanguard @Matthews Rd, Malvern PA)
I think you might do a bit better if you didn’t start out on a white paint strip on the asphalt.
I thought the mt82 couldn't shift at high rpms? You didn't seem to have any trouble.
Beautiful Cuda at the restaurant, I’d never pop the hood like I’m at a car show though at dinner and leave it. 😂 goof.
So, the S650 is more money, weighs more and is a butt hair better performance (lateral move)? I guess we'll have to wait to see how it responds to mods (if/when it can be tuned). I appreciate the side by side comparisons for sure.
there is a whipple s650 already...
S550 was more expensive, weighed more than the S197 and it was slower😂 it took like 3 years, a higher compression coyote and a 10 speed transmission just to beat the S197. Looks like history is repeating itself.
Lateral move at best, and that's all we should expect when we get such incremental power bumps combined with more weight.
Ford, along with the rest of the industry, has forgotten what a muscle car should be - a lightweight chassis with a high-powered engine that yields superior performance.
The S197 was the last chassis that could kind of, sort of fill that requirement. That's why I build 5th Gens and smoke 'em with street killz!
@@americanosbadassius9292at what point has a Mustang ever been a muscle car?
More expensive, heavier, and a little faster than the previous generation. True, but same can be said when each of the last few generations got replaced. Who knows what the future holds when there will be no competition from Camaro & Challenger to motivate Ford to make further improvements.
What size forgestars and offset are those and what tire size?