Should vegans force their beliefs and ban meat?
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In today's video, I dive into the accusation that veganism is a form of left-wing tyranny that is hell-bent on removing peoples' individual freedoms. I react to recent news stories and some extremely outlandish claims made by people including by Jeremy Clarkson.
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Thank you Ed, for all that you do to *Create a Better* 🌎
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Absolutely 💯 ban meat, dairy & eggs, ts unnecessary and steals the freedoms of innocent, sentient, non-human animals. Humans are strong, courageous, we can adapt, millions have already adapted, gone Vegan and are thriving.
#BeKind #SaveLives Go #Vegan 💚🐾🌱
should people ban veganism?
boi, oh, boi, the quality of your content is going down faster than mock meats stocks!
Can we please get 'I'm not a vegan for the animals. I'm a vegan for the tyranny' on a shirt.
100 per cent this 😂😂 I would wear it
I need this 😂
Why not just walk up to strangers and blurt it out?
It have it say "vegan for the animals" with animals crossed out and replaced with tyranny. 😂
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I support informed choice -
'Portugal was officially the first country who has made it illegal not to offer a vegan menu option. The law was passed in 2017 and it applies to public buildings such as schools, universities, hospitals and prisons right now (as everywhere else people have the choice to go elsewhere to find a suitable meal).'
Meanwhile my fkin homeland of Italy wants to ban lab meat 🤬
That’s really cool
Meanwhile I relatives that aren't even allowed to eat vegan at their school. It's insane!
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@Sohaibshumailah they have requested vegan food at school but they aren't allowed. In Sweden all children get free food all throughout school (not university). Where I went when I was a teenager I could just request vegan and they would fix it. My relatives live in the countryside and the school they go to won't serve vegan food. It's horrible.
The first thing my father in law said to me when I told him I was vegan, 'So now you're one of those who want to force people to not eat meat', I told him it would be stupid to do that, but that if people were educated correctly on where their food comes from, then people would be more inclined to go vegan.
Great video as always Ed. Thank you for all you do.
Sylvester Graham the father of vegetarianism in the USA died at age 57. Jay Dinshah the founder and president of the American Vegan society died at 66. Longevity expert Dr. Henry S. Lodge died at age 58.
@@beepbeepnj2658the plural of “anecdote” is *not* “data.”
You carefully make no point, so I can’t explicitly say that you are wrong about your point, but then… you make no point! Your comment is meaningless, and trivially easy to counter with my own list: Victoria Moran, born 1950, vegan since 1983 and still in excellent health; Patrica Welty, born 1947, vegan since 1999, through-hiked the Appalachian Trail at age 69, still in great shape; Harvey Tjader, born 1950, vegan since 1967, still working his job as a forester. I’m confident that for any person who you choose to list for having died, I can list someone vegan who is older who has not.
@@jpe1 The difference is you provided random people off the street where as I provided world leaders, founders and presidents who had many followers and influence on people. Some of the slim and fit people who followed this newly invented diet died prematurely like Steve Jobs, Andy Kaufman, Robin Gibb, Linda McCartney, Susan M. Levin RD, Gilda Radner, Dr. Clive McCay, Mr. Rogers, Nathan Pritikin, Euell Gibbons, Dr. Paavo Airola, Davy Jones.
@@beepbeepnj2658 I assume you are deliberately trolling me, obviously fame or influence is NOT a relevant metric. By your logic, exercise is bad for cardiovascular health because Jim Fixx died of a heart attack at age 52.
@@jpe1 I am providing facts about real people. By your logic naming Jim Fixx you must realize he was a heavy smoker and ate a lot of junk food and donuts with trans fats. The farms here where I live the animals get free food, free shelter, free vet care, don't have to work for a living, there are humans around the world that could only wish for a life this good. You don't have to buy factory farmed food as there are other choices available.
I'm only vegan because I was forced to be by militant vegans. 😱
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Good one😂
The horror!
Tonight, I dine on veal. can you dig it?
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 I wouldn't brag about it. Perhaps you have a sadistic streak?
I’ve been blind pretty much my whole life to the meat and dairy industry. Marketing always covers up the ugly parts and only shows you happy animals and tells you how you need it for your health. I’m extremely thankful for vegan activists like you for exposing the truth. I’m interested in buying your book
You do need meat for health. Carbs however...you do not.
WHAT? lol
Honestly, if we just take away the subsidies for animal products so they have to compete on an even playing field with "substitutes" then it will effectively be the end of commodified animals. The "substitutes" use a small fraction of resources but are more expensive because of subsidies.
Don't want to give up meat? Fine. Let's see how your opinion changes when your carton of eggs costs more than its weight in gold. When once cheap bologna becomes as expensive as imported Wagyu. The substitutes don't seem so expensive all of a sudden.
@@stefanib1040It’s difficult to subsidize the entire plant sector. However we would definitely stop subsidizing the meat sector.
Meat does NOT get subsidies. What gets subsidies is the feed making it cheap to raise the meat, namely wheat, corn, and soy (none of those things should be feed to a cow by the way, they can't digest them properly, which causes the excess gas).
So how do you explain the higher prices on meat substitutes when most of the ingredients do get subsidies?
@@stefanib1040 Well, yes.... that's American dairy which is, in comparison to most developed countries, pretty awful. Most affordable cheeses are processed garbage and the animal welfare record is less than favourable. Dairy is also subsidised in Canada and the EU.
In Australia and New Zealand however, dairy is not subsidised and dairy farming is all based on naturally pastured herds with hay and silage supplements. Grain and concentrate feeds are used much less than other countries. Even so, cow's milk downunder is much less expensive than plant-based alternatives of equivalent nutritional value. Not all economic arguments apply equally in different countries.
Substitutes are over processed foods. If you don't want to eat meat, don't, but let's not pretend eating highly processed plant proteins is healthier than someone that eats good quality meat. Animals farmed in harmony with the environment is better for the land and our bodies (including vegan bodies as plants would be grown in healthier soil) than over farmed crops that require pesticides and ruin the soil just as much as all the food created for factory farmed animals. Veg could be grown much better on well grazed land. Vegans get good quality veg with healthy vitamins not being stripped from them by unnatural farming practices and meat eaters get good quality meat. IMHO it's in everyone's business to fight for regenerative farming together, then we can all mind our business when it comes to what other people eat.
@@chasingthesun-bi6cx you would have to decimate the world population for that to be viable and sustainable. A meat eater's diet requires about 18 times the agricultural space than a herbivorous one. Not to mention a multitude of the amount of - globally precious - water. And that's with over 90% of meat coming from intense animal agriculture, i.e. factory farming. There just isn't enough space on earth for 9 billion meat eaters. We are running out of planet. If the entire world population went plant-based, we could rewild 3/4 of agricultural land. It's the easiest way to alleviate the climate crisis.
Regarding processed substitutes: it's anyone's choice to eat as healthy or as unhealthy as they wish. You can have a perfectly healthy whole foods plant based diet or indulge in vegan fast food, but the point is that we don't need to kill innocent animals.
I'm vegan for the power and control obviously.
And we do have so much power and control 😂
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Me too.
Power and control for ever😅
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Maisie the chicken here ♥️🐔♥️🐔happy thanksliving to all the vegans eating a cruelty free meal today🫶🐔🐔🩷💜🩷💜🩷☺️☺️☺️💞💞💕💕💕
Thank you Maisie but you shouldn't be thanking us, we should be apologising to you. Sorry about the loss of all your friends and I'm sorry about the human race, but I am happy that you are alive 😍
@@36ELRICmeat is polluting the earth which can extinct the human race
Yet they'll say things like "How do you know the animal doesn't want their throat slashed open? Have you ever had a conversation with a pig?"
Who says that? Surely you've a better example!
@@anserbauer309 I was reading comments today under a PETA post where they wrote "turkeys don't want to be eaten" nearly every response was "how do you know?" + "have you ever had a conversation with a turkey?" Granted it's the internet and it's easy to make these low effort dismissive comments--But I do think there are many people who want to believe that being grateful for their meal somehow transfers over and soothes the distress and even convinces the animals to be thankful themselves for the part they play in their higher purpose.
@@ChriswithFriends Well, you have certainly tapped into a deep vein of stupidity if that's the calibre of the comments.
@@anserbauer309I read this "Argument" a few times actually 😬
In the context of meat only maybe 3-4 times in total, but it very often comes in the context of Zoos:
"How do you know the animals are not happy in a cage? Did you ask them?" As a justification for zoos, not thinking about that it actually would be necessary to be sure a specific species does NOT suffer in captivity to justify having it in zoos.
@@anserbauer309 BitesizedVegan has a video on propaganda posters that farm animals wanted to be eaten and were cutting themselves up while smiling. People did and do tell each other that.
Some nonvegans said cows wanted to be milked "to be relieved". What about wild cows? Humans did not start milking cows out of kindness for them, but for people to take something for themselves. Farmers force the mothers and calves to separate so that the calves can't drink the milk. Cows produce milk for their calves, not for humans. Farm cows were also forcibly bred into existence.
BitesizedVegan also has a video on a interview with a ex-horserider. She said many of those horses are abused and yet the riders assumed those horses wanted to be treated like that and ridden.
BitesizedVegan also talked about how some nonvegans think animals want to be killed when they kind of act submissive during slaughter. But that's because they trusted the humans and didn't think they would kill them. In videos, the animals still fight and struggle anyways.
It's like saying if a person or child trusted someone before they suddenly shoot them does that mean they wanted to be shot? That's why the word betray exists.
I saw a video of when someone asked a scientist about him experimenting on and torturing rats, he said the rats were serving a higher purpose. As if rats knew that and should be thankful. I don't think animals can understand science exists. Let alone "sacrificing" themselves to what they can't understand. Also, the animals were not asked and didn't consent to being "sacrificed".
So yes, there are nonvegans who do say some animals want to die. Such as saying things like those animals want to "sacrifice themselves for a higher purpose".
Why do you think there isn't people who want to soothe and convince themselves and others to justify their horrible acts because they know it's horrible?
Like how some people tried to justify slavery by saying slaves or certain races were subhuman and therefore it's ok to subjugate them.
I saw a video of a man thanking a sheep for sacrificing itself to feed him before he killed it. As if that did anything.
Sounds like narcissistic abuse where the abuser says they doing it for the good of the people they in a relationship with. That also has deceived victims to continue staying in those relationships.
I'm not Vegan, but man some of your points do get me thinking. Great content
Almost there.
keep thinking ;)
All of his videos are great, keep checking them out!
The only thing I regret about going vegan is not doing it sooner 🌱✌
Same!!
To end this conversation, let’s just ask all moms and dads out there to take their children on a trip to the slaughterhouse one day, then to a vegetable farm the next. Oh! Wait, they don’t allow visitors to the slaughterhouse…. I wonder why! 🤔 could it be because the slaughterhouse is a bloody, stinky, filthy unconscionably horrible place?
I know a lot of parents who take their kids hunting. They show them how to kill and to properly clean and butcher the animal. Never met one who became vegan. 😎
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That is understandable, given the savage world we live in where the murder of sentient beings is still legal and widely practiced like slavery once was.
@@sciencelad8286 Killing an animal for food isn’t equal to enslaving or killing humans. I reject your premise that animals and humans are on equal footing morally. Veganism is a wealthy, Western diet. It’s not how most humans eat, ever.
@@TheRealRealOK Putting aside your subjective sense of moral worth applied to certain species, you're still exploiting and killing sentient beings when you _do not need to_ .
Not everybody sees humans and non-human animals as so unequal that only one should be protected from unnecessary harm. Some people do see how slavery can be equated to what we're doing to non-human animals (I'd argue that what we do to non-human animals is actually worse).
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One, it’s not subjective. That’s your perspective. You talk like an atheistic relativist. Your argument is self-refuting, but your deficiencies make you dumb and you don’t see it.
We don’t limit our actions to what’s only necessary. No human does, not even you. The fruits and vegetables you have flown in from around the world or other states prove this.
I’m gonna enjoy turkey tomorrow. You enjoy industrial waste and being on your high-horse. Also, have fun with your nutrient deficiencies while I keep eating cow, pork, and other meat. Good day. 😎😎😎
Brilliantly said Ed! Someone might argue animals aren't "someone", but I'd say why not? They are living, feeling, thinking, conscious beings, so they are someone who deserves dignity.
Plants are living, they breath, multiply, grow, etc. Nearly every tribe Ive ever studied believes plants possess consciousness and spirit, so why would they be killed for food? If the argument is morality, then theres a major flaw if plants are living things too.
This comment isn't necessarily pointed at you specifically, but anyone who has thoughts on this.
@@ArchiveAmericasince when did tribes become the be all end all of deciding that plants are sentient? Believing something "has a soul" isn't the same as providing scientific evidence that an organism can produce an experience similar to that of a human's.
@@ArchiveAmerica plants aren't conscious, animals are (for the most part). And besides, if you care about plant rights, you'd be vegan, since far fewer of them are killed or cleared for grazing land/grass feed or crops to feed animals than if we just ate plants ourselves.
@@ArchiveAmerica There is no "major" flaw. If you want to add plant lives into the equation, you would be saving *astoundingly* more lives when you eat them directly compared to when you feed them to animals for meat consumption
People who argue that animals are not someone have very often cared for a dog or a cat and loved their little idiosyncrasies and mourned their death. They know that non human animals are someone really. They are just in denial.
People need to start applying the golden rule to animals and love them as they should love themselves.
Agree 💚🐾🌱
why? the whole point of the golden rule is reciprocity.
the 'love them as they should love themselves' part is so encrypted that it is almost meaningless.
@@v.a.n.e. lip service. pay lip service to:
express approval of or support for (something) without taking any significant action.
"they pay lip service to equality but they don't want to do anything about it" . If someone need to be under supervision and the threat of punishment or retaliation than they are not sincere. They are corrupt. Wait until corrupt people have power than they will misuse a position of power to take unjust advantage of individuals, organizations, or governments. Being vegan is a proof that you are not a corrupt person.
@@v.a.n.e. "The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as one would want to be treated"
The "would want" part shows clearly that this isn't about reciprocity.
Besides, cows, pigs and chickens don't exploit and slaughter humans, do they?
@@walter.... Pigs will eat humans if it's served to them. Many animals that are capable of overpowering a human wouldn't have any issues with slaughtering us in the most inhumane ways, as well. Bears, tigers, wolves, great eagles, snakes, sharks and killer whales just off the top of my head... thankfully, we don't actually coexist with such animals. We're at the top of the food chain until we're not 😅
The only force in veganism is Ed being a true jedi. In this video Darth Piers has been defeated, once again.
Ed's a sith.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 sith up
May the force be with Ed .
Vegan for life
its like one day you realise that the system of the world we live in, and then people expect you to just shut up about it and not tell people
"Trying to end a holocaust, sooooooooo tyrannous "
What holocaust?
You're one of my favorite dudes. Keep up the great work.
Um Ed is trans
Vegan Jesus
@@rondarkman. I'm pretty sure Ed Winters isn't trans. But, even if Ed was trans, it's irrelevant. Ed is one of my favorite people, nonetheless. There, does that appease you?
But if you're just trying to use trans as an insult, you're more stupid than I thought.
@@rondarkman. That's not an insult, dummy
@@LeventeCzelnai
Jesus ate fish and wasn't trans
You're on a roll I love when he published Banger after Banger back-to-back
thanks for the video, i study up on the things you say honestly. Knowledge is by far the most important thing one can have. once you know whats happening to the animals, to the environment, to other people, its impossible to ignore.
I would rephrase the title: The immorality of the slaughterhouses. Thanks for keeping up the fight, you are an inspiration for the rest of us.
I think the current title suits the pitch for the book at the end haha
Evil, they are evil.
They feed society. I praise them and their work.
Vegans are a diesease. I know you can dig it.@@bonchidude
This is an important topic…thanks for making a video about this
He's confirmed what we already knew.. Vegans are authoritarian by nature.
meat is already banned because torturing animals is banned. oh wait.
"For the privileged, equality feels like oppression" Not Just Bikes
As soon as i saw your announcement video for your new book i pre-ordered 2 copies straight away! (One for me one for my sister)
It's exactly what i need to help me get into the activism space. Your videos helped inspire me to go vegan 6 years ago but i still haven't ventured into activism. I'm hoping armed with this book ill be able to help fight the fight!
Thanks for everything
Great video Ed fair play to you.🌱🌠🍀
Animal killing and selling has been banned in India in many places at many times throughout history, including in palitana rn
Don't stop till it is banned everywhere in India. YAS
Yeah, but as a whole India is not doing good at this point in history. One of the largest beef and leather exporter and dairy producer.
That can change. @@Ermude10
one of the things that is on a surprisingly steep rise is the carnivore diet in India; this is a decent indicator of the direction that India is heading in. it's time for India to become a superpower
I am still surprised that some Indians have no idea that cows are still killed in their country. Even if they are transported to northern Indian states. They still claim that southern farmers would never sell their cows to the north for leather. I show them evidence and they still go off on liking cheese and milk….
Love from Germany
It's one of the most fascinating acts of mental gymnastics, accusing vegans of "bullying" and just wanting attention, when all the attention we ever get is negative, and we are the most hated and bullied group of them all.
it's nice of you to take on all that burden from atheists.
@@felderup And the trans community. And apostates. And the gay and lesbian groups across much of Asia and Africa. Yep Middle Eastern prisons are full to overflowing with brave vegans carrying the visceral hatred for us all. Jesus wept.
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
Sweet potatoes and oat milk are def weapons of mass destruction. 🤣🤣🤣
I love you Ed!! I am in so gratitude when listening to you
Bro the vids have been fire recently 🔥
This afternoon, after I had returned home from the market, fed my goat some banana leaves I had picked along the way. I went out to the fields to cut a few branches from a mulberry tree and another tree that my goat likes to eat. As I was feeding the goat some banana leaves I heard a puppy yelp from a couple houses over.. Then I heard it growl. Then came a whimper. I thought that perhaps its mother had scolded it or something. But then the whimpers came again. By the time I had my keys to open the gate the whimpers had stopped. The last sound I heard was a sadistic grunt of murderous lust from my neighbor. The sort one might hear on a battlefield after killing an enemy. It was so full of hatred. My neighbor had just beaten a defenseless puppy to death.
Well, that's disgusting. I had to have my dear old ram euthanased this morning. Very sad. He was 9 years old, 300lb (135kg) and just the gentlest, sweetest sheep you ever met. I'd had him since the day he was born (rescue). I'll miss him.
Humans do scare me ..
Couldn't have said it any better Ed, thank you.
Great video. Have preordered your book!
As a society we ban "evil freedoms". It's not deemed tyranny to do so, its demmed sanity.
That is logical. But logic can only be correct if your initial assumption is correct..
It is tyranny since who gets to decide what is evil and what isn't?
Slavery throughout human history is the norm and is not deemed evil in many parts of the world to this day.
Homosexuals are killed for being that way in several countries, and that is what they believe and they believe homosexuality to be evil.
Who decides which evil is sanity to do away with?
Should women walk behind their men and cover themselves from head to toe?
Honor killings aren't evil in the opinion of hundreds of millions of people so does everyone who is shamed by their child then supposed to partake?
Human are omnivores. Fact.@@bobhill4364
Those traditional fishermen in their seaboard villages throughout the developing world need their “evil freedoms” curtailing when it becomes international law. This evil has gone on long enough 🤨
@sjacrane Clearly I was talking about our society. Not people who don't have the means to go Vegan. I do find it funny when meat eaters in affluent countries hide behind poor people as an excuse. Imagine if I said as a society we should have children go to school, and someone comes along and says even children who are so poor they have no schools to go to and must walk miles to fetch water or die of thirst?
You are such an Inspiration Ed! Thank you for everything you do for the Vegan Movement, for the animals 🙏 You really are a real flagship and pioneer! 💯🔥Keep on going strong! 💪
Very well Said Ed, so many non vegans attack vegans simply because of their own cognitive dissonance.
Vegans attack everyone....so everyone attacks vegans.
Thanks Ed🌱💚
Another great video as always !!
Good lord brother, you are so astute and elegant in your understanding and delivery. I've been sending you money every month for years now AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!!! I encourage anyone reading this to consider how they may serve/support Ed in OUR mission. Whether it's buying his books or supporting him on patreon, even a couple of bucks every month can add up to more impact in Vegan activism. THANK YOU Earthling Ed for reminding us of our innate excellence and Embodying the Truth We Know about ALL LIFE
Yes I would like my spare funds to be shared with only animal rights activists. Especially Ed of course.
You guys are hilarious 😂
Look at that he doesn't even thank you
It's truly ok Shawn...essentially his thank you comes by way of stellar content and planetary assistance to all BEINGS@@shawndarling1980
On point as always.
#GOVEGAN
So proud of you Ed, you're like a son to me. Keep up the fight for our animal friends.
Thank you for continously putting things right for our brothers and sisters, , and never stop ❤
I am vegan to feel superior to non vegans 😂😂😂😂😂
It's not a "feeling". It's an accurate evaluation.
You do not feel superior. You are superior. Ban meat, yas.
You are superior.. no doubts
Feel however you like but I'll continue to eat "meat" with an entirely clear conscience.
You are superior to your own group. To us you are an ignorant ideologist
If I was in power i would absolutely dictate the end of animal exploitative industries. Ed, would you really not outlaw human slavery if given the chance 200 years ago? The victims of both injustices need action.
Except animals should not have the same rights we have.
Of course you would and so would Ed. He's just using deceptive language to hide his true intention.
Even if you outlaw it people will still do it illegally, especially in 3rd world countries. Educating people is the better approach.
@@vivekchalasaniPeople are educated. You mean indoctrinated and brainwashed. You think people don't know a chicken needed to be killed so they could eat their chicken dinner?
@@LeventeCzelnaiNo one is asking for the same rights. No one wants a pig to have the right to vote or to export some merch, but to have a life full of dignity and not to have it taken away from them for taste reasons.
This might be the best video(video-essay) I've seen of Ed... 👌
Good video. ❤ Bought a copy of your book too.
Another great video Ed. You are right that all we can do is to keep confronting people with the inconsistency of their actions. Why is it ok to treat a pig in a way we would imprison someone for treating a dog? Why is it ok to mistreat cows but not horses? Of course meat eaters will react badly when their cognitive dissonance is exposed, but sooner or later they will have to acknowledge the weakness of their position.
Knowingly supporting (and facilitating) the unecessary (and unimaginable) suffering of others is the ultimate in selfish entitlement. Veganism is all about opposing the exploitation, oppression and (completely unecessary) suffering of ALL! No one has the right to harm others! Nor to have someone do it on their behalf!
My god, I love you Ed! You are doing great work
Good points!
Ed is always dropping hard vids
Meat used to be banned in several asian countries due to Buddhism.
I live in Asia but never knew this. The most hypocritical people are those purportedly Buddhist but eat meat, especially the monks who are supposed to refrain from eating meat. They changed the rules to suit themselves, so monks can eat meat and even have rendezvous 😂
They tried but it’s not very enforced unfortunately. Specifically in India and Japan.
@@lauratanln I live in Thailand and my Thai language teacher is buddhist. One lesson was the subject of food and somehow we got onto the subject of killing animals for food, and he said he wouldn't do that because of his Buddhist values. I asked him if he still ate meat and he said yes... Apparently buddhists are totally fine with someone else doing the killing for them 😅
The sheer commonality of these types of inconsistent logic make me frequently wonder whether I've somehow got this wrong (before quickly coming back to my senses). But it blows my mind to think just how much people don't see these glaring flaws in their own beliefs.
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We need more Ed Earthlings. Especially in Asia where people are very obsessed with the supernatural and thus have little time for facts.
@@lauratanln Really? I thought that was the US!
Great Video!!
Great video Ed
Words are not forceful, enslavement and killing is though.
Well said! The same way that all other discriminatory acts such as the freedom to behave in a manner that is racist has been abolished so must the freedom to be speciesist and act on it!
And here's the slippery slope. Now anything that anyone doesn't like should be made illegal.
Nope. This is only about things that a MAJORITY of society consider to be IMMORAL@@bobhill4364
Lol the opening to this video is on point! Love it when Ed gets sassy.
When will the audiobook be available?
the big scary vegans are coming to take body parts off your plates!! everyone run!! x)
Girl.. like E.Ed don't scare me..
Professor ED!
Health (common sense from relationship), certain teachings, laws can all help so it’s great to generally understand there’s more than one method. Nice point Ed.
Thank you, Ed!
Hey Earthling Ed, you are so right, we are so right...
Why people don't understand?
Nutrition!
@@Combative_Dissident Nutritional science should be a compulsory subject in school.
@@baza0 Sadly, nutrition isn't settled science & has been politicized.
@@Combative_Dissident Very true.
🌱 animals are not ours to use.🌱 we are not entitled to the bodies of others. 🌱
animalsarehereforusandwithus says who or what?
Impeccable logic as always ❤️
It's such a moot point because as a movement we're nowhere near organized enough to go toe to toe with the industry, their lobbyists and their billions of dollars, and win. Average people never won anything they weren't organized to take. So talking about banning meat is putting the cart six or seven lightyears in front of the horse. We should be talking about how we can go about leading fights on local levels, who we can unite with to win those, and how those wins will give us the lift to organize at a national level. Only then would banning meat be an idea that we would remotely be justified in entertaining, and even then it's not really winnable under the current conditions. And that's all assuming we want to materially change the landscape at all, as opposed to just "voting with our dollars" (nevermind the people with the most dollars get the most votes, and also happen to own the companies we're meant to be fighting against) or trying to win the battle of ideology and unsystematically win over the masses by simply having correct ideas, without any appreciable changes in the economic base that gives rise to ideologies like carnism in the first place.
This is part of the authoritarian mindset. The industry produces meat because people want to eat meat. Your true enemy is the average person that just wants to eat their lunch and be left alone.
Right. That's Community Development 101. Local people taking action at a local level, developing grassroots support for projects designed to achieve SMART goals. Whether such projects center around community education & consciousness raising, policy change, increased regulation and ongoing incremental taxation/pricing increases, they need to come from the community, or they will not be accepted. Of course, marches and protests are part of the change process, but until they're backed up by targeted projects delivering material benefits to the community, vegans will continue to be seen as a cohort of disunified ideologues pissing into the wind.
@@anserbauer309 So well put. And to anyone who says "Incrementalism/reformism isn't the solution," that's true. The point isn't to get where we want to go by only taking baby steps, the point is to build fights, build organization, and skill up so we can take on bigger enemies. It's one of my organization's three main tasks: strike blows against the enemy to win all that can be won. Number 2 is raise the general level of organization of the masses. I would love to see vegans start to take a more organized, systematic, and principled approach to achieving material gains. Anyway, thank you for putting it so well.
@@jeremiahbaxter6887 I agree with what you say, but would add that until the vegan movement is able to articulate meaningful policy positions on things like the ethical dismantling of animal farming in both developed and developing countries, community education strategies on plant-based nutrition and health management, strategic planning for the ethical maintenance of sustainable domestic species populations (including obligate carnivores) _and then actually demonstrate how these can be achieved across a range of community and environmental settings,_ I think progress will be very slow indeed. As it ought to be, where achieving an animal product free diet at the community level has the potential to harm a great many animals (both domestic and endemic) if the projects are mishandled.
I’m not even vegan and I agree with all said here. I think the main problem many non vegans still have is that many vegans use shaming as a method to try convince meat eating folk to ‘convert’. Completely understandable from a vegan’s perspective, but it’s also human nature to not take shame as a method of change. As I say, before anyone attacks me for saying the above, I am 100% in support of what Ed is saying here. I’m just pointing out that it doesn’t have to positioned as an us against them subject.
So you agree that whether veganism should be banned be put up to a majority vote? That's democracy right?
Yes. It’s a personal choice like any other. People who are vegan need to focus on their stuff. PS I’m vegan for over a decade and meat free for over two but I can’t stand religious vegans
All a vegan has to do is mention they don't eat animals and anyone who hears it feels shame and calls it our fault when in actuality they feel shame because they aren't living consistent with their own values and are faced with the fact that they could be when they see us doing so
if you 100% agree with Ed why aren't you vegan?
@@bobhill4364 No, that's not 'democracy'. That's called "The tyranny of the majority". Liberal and Social democracies, by their very nature, are designed to increase human freedom and wellbeing, not restrict them; which is why majority votes designed to restrict the human freedoms and rights of minorities are undemocratic by their very nature.
I want your patience ❤
Absolutely brilliant, Ed!
I just want my taxes to stop going to industrial animal ag
For every troll comment I'm eating a block of tofu raw. I'm vegan for the carnist tears. Delicious.
carnist isnt a word
I have leg of lamb every time Ed posts a video.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 you don't even have a job, Pack Boy. How are you going to pay for your meals, food stamps?
@@thekittenthatwantschicken8018 It's definitely a word..... but it's definitely _not_an ideology.
great vid
Thank you Ed!
Vegan is the way forward!
Go vegan my friends 💚
First class Ed👏👏👏
We just educated people on the horrors of what’s done to the animals. It’s then the listeners choice if they want to continue abusing or not. Our beliefs aren’t forced on anyone. I wish we could force them lol
I love being a tyrannical vegan
also when it comes to horrendous products of SA and torture against animals, who gives a shit about being "likeable" why should vegans coddle your products or the consumption of it, cry me a river
@@ShoreshFathi 💯
Leg of lamb has the most succulent meat.@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent
So powerful well said
thank you Ed
Earthling Ed is literally Jesus Christ 🌎✝️
The Power of Vegan Jesus compels you... ;-)
Jesus ate animals and wasn't trans,
Don’t insult Ed like that
@@NeutralMjolkHotel
Naw prin xoxo upset over you're cult leader
@@rondarkman.Forgive me, I’m really trying to make sense of this comment.
Ed, its time you talk about vegan diets in dogs and CATS.
Dogs are omnivores. Cats are not but some cats can thrive in a 100% plant based diet. Some cannot cause they could be unhealthy, sick etc and one would not know. :(
Many vegans see pet ownership are immoral. I don’t but that’s a bigger wedge issue
Well, the word is guardianship. My kitty was abandoned and came into my house. She left overnight and came back and has been here for over 9 years. @@HuplesCat
@@bonchidudeVegans are weird. So the pet industry should be banned or not? If it is, then eventually there will be no strays and ways for you to justify ownership of another animal.
@@HuplesCatit’s not as long as you adopt and don’t buy into the breeding industry
Crystals for your Work!
If you are already Veggie push for Hexagonal Implementaion, wich is the Cosmic way!
we love you Ed :)
couldnt care less about your moral compass just as you couldnt care less about mine wannabe influencers are just people that need to be confirmed to feel good about themselves and they will spend their days telling you why they are better than others urgghh !!!
Lol, says the carnist trying to make himself feel good about paying for the exploitation and death of animals. 🤦♀️
It’s purely for the animals. They don’t deserve to grow through what they do.
i do feel good and dont need your approval my point proven@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent
says you boo hoo@@syritabhutta6796
do i ?is it ? do i look like i want your approval do i harass you when you swat a fly get lost mr ego@@cracked229
What I have found to work very well (and is my personal way of debating, it’s great there are people who are more direct) is not to point fingers at people because they get defensive. I remember myself how as a teen a vegetarian friend was very judgy of me and I just wasn’t open for it altogether. Changing your lifestyle is hard and for it to be a consistent thing it needs the right situation to be in and having the headspace to stop denial.
When a (non-vegetarian) friend recommended “What the health” to me I didn’t know I would be watching animal cruelty. She went vegetarian after that, I went vegan. But only a year later. In the first year I mostly ate vegan but didn’t forbid myself to occasionally eat animal products (with family or when I simply wanted it, which got less and less with time). That was 2017 and there were almost no readymade plantbased foods I could afford or that even tasted good. I was prepared to ditch non-dark chocolate forever. I had absolutely no idea about nutrition and started learning it which is a lot. I had time back then. And I had to learn to cook in a completely new way, which would’ve been way harder without lots of help of a vegan friend. The thing is that the change isn’t easy and we have to remember our own journey. It’s easier now because there are lots of plant-based products you don’t actually have to change your habits for and I’m so happy to see how many more people open up to it!
Back then it was part of what actually helped me out of a deep depression. I had time and saw the documentary with an open mind. And I discovered sooo so many new foods! Veggie combinations I would’ve never thought of! And what was really reassuring too is that after about three years I started to actually feel like animal-based products aren’t food. I can’t remember starting to be repulsed by any plant-based stuff I stopped eating.
Then I learned about environmental situation which made me realise I don’t want to eat any meat anymore, ever. The animals actually came last. I wasn’t hypocritical, I always acknowledged that I don’t care. I’m not a psychopath, I’m actually a person with a very deep empathy for all beings, but I wasn’t raised to see animals that way. It took a long time and willingness to actually sincerely change that. I never had pets btw so when I heard this “cats and dogs are cute but why do we think that it’s an argument to not eat them but eat animals we find less visually appealing is okay?” I was like … yeah that’s bullshit.
So now when people ask about veganism I take the approach of “That was my experience” and usually people respond very positively to that. I also say that you don’t have to go completely vegan to make a difference and that I’m very happy each time someone makes the decision against animal-based products. I think that people relate to me because the ethics came to me last. In theory I instantly agreed when I was vegan but I didn’t fake it and knew that I’m not there emotionally.
Just a little slice of my journey and approach :) 💚
Leaving this here for the algorithm
Ed love the channel, wish you would talk a little bit more about issues affecting human animals (racism, class, sexism etc.). We are stronger together. Total Liberation for all!
The animals deserve to have a single movement just for them. That's what veganism is. Talking about anything is does the victims a disservice.
Also if u get the chance read Total Liberation Revolution for the 21st century by Steven Best
@NoInjusticeLastsForever I'm sorry you feel that way but as it stands the current apolitical non-intersectional approach of street outreach/telling people to go vegan is not working. The number of animals being bred to be slaughtered/exploited is booming in east asia as some of those countrys' middle classes grow and demand more meat/dairy/eggs. We need to reach out to other Leftist movements and adopt their causes so that they adopt ours and help each other overthrow capitalism which is the hierarchical unsustainable system that allows the commoditisation of animals' bodies in the first place. Please reconsider
@NoInjusticeLastsForever
No they don't they are just a product, a delicious product at that
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever Agreed, though I will say there is plenty of room for solidarity and unity between the animal liberation movement and other movements (labor, national liberation, etc.)
Why don't they care about Animals!!? When you know, as we all do nowadays what Animals go through, where's their head at, where's their hearts!??? 😱
Humanity will not know peace as long as we continue to torture and slaughter innocent sentient beings 💔👉☯️
Most people don’t care about the Israeli hostages or the dead kids in Gaza. We are not a noble species
Thank you, Ed.
Raising some heavy 'ship' again, ta very much again, Earthling jEdi.
Regardless of any arguments on either side, being a vegan is so mentally consuming and taxing. It think it was this stress and energy that made me smug and forceful with my views. Just so glad I am no longer vegan , creates a horrible mental state, and to cope with it so many fall into utter self righteousness.
I don't think that's most people's personal experience of veganism but; scrolling through the comments here, there are definitely attitudes and beliefs I would describe as 'vegan fundamentalism' and I imagine that level of fervour and binary thinking would indeed be exhausting to maintain over time..... but that's what fundamentalism in all its forms does to people. Exclusive communities are far more stressful to navigate than inclusive ones.
I imagine moderate and cultural vegans don't experience the same kind of anxiety and pressure to conform; and thus propensity for exclusionary behaviour, othering of non-devotees and projecting arrogance is far less tempting where 'maintaining defence mechanisms on high alert' are not necessary in going about daily life.
As an ex-religious fundamentalist myself, I know the feeling of freedom and relief that comes with casting off the unwarranted sense of obligation to meet the exacting, often unachievable expectations of others. You do you.
its mentally taxing for me to read stupid comments like this.
@@mountainaccident2001 guessing veganism is your religion
should people try to ban vegans?
Persecute and imprison vegans? Very democratic.
why not? pampered kids sometimes need physical treatment of their rear ends. it affects their future thinking.
You are really authoritarian
@@DarkDeepGreenEd just got saying he would support laws banning omnivorous diets from being legal. So it's only authoritarian when it goes against what you like?
@@bobhill4364 Nothing more authoritarian than imprisoning sentient beings in torturous conditions and murdering them. Ed said nothing about imprisoning meat eaters, he was talking about animal rights laws. There's no equivalence to banning vegans.
Not a vegan, but thank you for being the living example of patience and informing the masses of your ambitious crusade. Life worth living ✅
I love you ❤
Let's put whether veganism should be banned, up to a democratic vote...
Lol, now that's a vote I can support.
Happy to see you try. What are you gonna do? Force meat down our throats?
And how exactly is it 'democratic' to vote away the rights and freedoms of minorities? Democracy requires the equal balance between 'majority rule' and 'minority rights'. 'Democracies' which only adhere to the 'might is right' mantra where "majority rules" principles are applied to social freedoms of minorities always fail. Either they descend into civil war and home-grown terrorism, or they become authoritarian regimes which are 'democratic' in name only. Like North Korea, Russia and Turkey.
Right on, man!@@bobhill4364
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Hey Pack Boy, how many hours do you spend every day lost in the comment section of all vegan videos out there? Is it too hard to find a job? Or some love, for that matter.
Spoken like a true facist.
Those damn facists
Bacon is just another word for, death cult.
Eating meat, is eating death.
Your choice.
He's a David Koresh who lives off lettuce.