For persona 3 it’s actually explained in Reload that the fall is everyone succumbing to apathy syndrome. So during the karaoke session, the world doesn’t end instantly. But everyone is instantly struck with apathy syndrome and just do nothing until humanity slowly dies out. Which is a lot more horrifying than it all just ending instantly.
...OH. Welp... Ok now imagine this, you're an infant just born in 12/31, and then it happens. Your mother looks weird, she only stands, lifeless into the ceiling. The day after, she's still looking at the ceiling. It's been a week and the house is rotting. Your mother passed long ago during that week, so the only thing to do now as an infant is wait your inevitable death, if you're even still alive by that point.
I like how short and sweet P3's bad ending is. You simply give up. Not in the P5 sense where you still know the truth of the situation, you give in to the human desire to forget one's mortality for even a moment and enjoy solace
What makes accepting marukis deal so much harder to watch is the fact that the final photo in the credits shows akechi and joker looking at the player like u know what u did
A couple of points: 1) The Accomplice Ending is from Persona 4 Golden, which requires you to max out Adachi's SL (he didn't have an SL in vanilla). If you're going to count Persona 5 & Persona 5 Royal as separate games you should be counting Persona 4 & Persona 4 Golden as separate as well. 2) The bad ending from Persona 4 vanilla (which is still in Golden) is arguably worse than the Accomplice Ending since Nanako's dead, Teddy returns to the TV world and the Investigation Team kill Namatame. 3) Pretty sure that the Velvet Room taking the form of a prison isn't because of Yaldoboath taking over Mementos because when the real Igor returns he says 'it's been a while since the Velvet Room took this form' implying that Igor's had other visitors who have had the Room appear as a prison. It's also been stated in previous games that the Velvet Room takes shape to match the guest.
I know it’s belated, but I don’t recall Igor commenting on the shape of the Velvet Room. I thought what he said was “My, my. It’s been some time since I set foot in this place. Welcome to the Velvet Room!”
@@leoncruz7951 it's also likely still Yaldabaoth, because the room takes the form dependent on its guest, assuming the definition of a guest does not change when the location exchanges hands by non-agreed upon means, that still makes Yaldabaoth the guest, even if he pushes invitations to others, hence why it still resembled a prison to Joker's team when they were imprisoned there, because Yaldabaoth was still the main guest, and to explain the reason it stays a prison when Yaldabaoth leaves, imagine you saw a room as one thing for roughly a year, when it would change, would you not desire the familiar layout, the familiar appearance you grew accustomed to, you'd want it to remain what you knew it as, it's likely that Mementos itself were a part of or similar to the Velvet Room, but with all of humanity as its guest, hence why, even in lower levels, mementos looks like a subway, because that's what the entrance is known as, a subway station, you get used to a certain imagery, and once it would be taken away, you yearn for it, even if it were undesirable, simply because it felt solid to you, it felt as immutable as destiny, and once that belief is shaken up, the frame of mind of a person is thrown into panic.
I also realized that potentially 3 of the 5 girls were forced into something sexual on their bad endings... Ann is obvious, that whole arc was lust themed anyway. They flat out said what happened to Makoto... but Haru is more implied. She's basically forced to be married off to that guy, and he already showed he wouldn't hesitate to force his will on her. So you can only imagine what happens to her in that bad ending, but still a high possibility he forced himself on her. Although Ann's is potentially the worst one along those lines cause she just would have been another among many victims.
That was the one that made me laugh so hard and say, "I guess that Akido was good for something huh you smug bitch?" Yes, I'm one of the few people that didn't care for Makoto. I found Futaba's to be the most sad because she kills herself and you got exposed though the latter didn't make sense given medjed's plan was to give you the win at the 11th hour.
@@Violent_Wolfenidk dude if I had to be drugged and forced into prostitution to live life as a sex slave or kill myself, I’m buying the cheapest rope on Amazon
The darkest ending in 2 is having only Lisa regain her memories in Eternal Punishment, leaving her alone with the fact that her childhood friends and the love of her life have no memory of her.
Persona 3: Dead and forgotten Persona 4: Deadly secrets and the desire to ignore important and hurtful truths Persona 5: Too much power will easily make you corrupted Persona 5 Royal: To experience Joy and Happiness, one must know Pain, Sadness, and Loss to appreciate them and keep moving forward. Living in La La~ Lands will diminish it and make everything you have been through pointless.
this is how i wanted to try to describe things because each game up starting from 3 has something big but what i love is 5 part the most since in 5 and 5 royal you have two gods one who fulfilling the desires of the sins while the other crafts a joyful illlsuion where sins wouldn't exist. just ignorance and happiness
When you realize the Persona universe is better universe compared to other one of the Megami Tensei/Mandala Network Universes due to the simple fact that it's a world where the nukes didn't drop that lead to a great flood killing most of humanity and then leading to a super death lazer that almost wiped out humanity for the second time.
Yeah, at least the Persona universe is INTACT, even if there's a mass of humanity's darkest desires in a shadow underrehlm that occasionally creates a god-like being that tries to destroy the world.
I think what a lot of people brush over in maruki’s ending is that, he can’t make everyone naturally happy, his entire palace is basically a rehabilitation center for people who aren’t happy in his new reality. His reality doesn’t appease to the entire world, just the phantom thieves and other confidants, maruki’s reality isn’t perfect and is flawed both in theory and in practice. Akechi is literally forced to comply with this reality which he doesn’t want, his desires aren’t appeased to like the rest of the phantom thieves, Maruki plays favorites and only uses his powers to run from his own trauma rather than facing them. His excuse for this reality is he doesn’t want anyone to feel pain, but he himself is still feeling pain, and knows that he can’t magic away from the pain because he knows his reality is fake. The ending has a lot things to consider than everyone is happy so everything is fine, my personal biggest concern is: the people who were forced to live in this reality rather than have their desires appeased to them, are they still the same person they were before maruki? Akechi hates this reality but is seen to be happy with it, is that even Akechi at that point? Or is everyone just a tool for Maruki to attempt to cope with his trauma. ironically in the ending Maruki’s quest to do the ultimate selfless action is the most selfish action in the game
To add on, if maruki can’t fix his previous trauma what about the ones he gains through isolation? I’m assuming he makes himself immortal to keep the reality going, but if he does his mental state will keep on deteriorating, and nobody can help him since nobody in theory should have any experience with hardship. And he won’t be able to experience a relationship again because he knows everyone alive is fake. After his mental health deteriorates who knows what he does with his reality.
Good sum up, I was very conflicted about why is Maruki’s world is a bad ending and ever since ending the game could find any concrete reasons to oppose his reality. In my first play trough I just went along with a notion of that a sudden shift of realties would surely bring some kind of unforeseen consequences and it is better to not try fix something that even a god can’t truly fix without its own flaws or smth. But on the other hand, I thought that Maruki isn’t a bad person and what he brought isn’t really something evil. At short, this arguments have been plaguing my mind for months and now I finally got an explanation that I like a lot. Tysm
@@intervensia4860 Essentially what Maruki's doing is just a softer version of what Yaldabaoth was doing; people hand over all control over their lives to a single strong authority figure who makes all the decisions for them.
@@-ReHaven I find it cruelly accurate how for _him_ the consequences of keeping reality running would likely be almost eldritch. It's something no human could withstand, so the immense human empathy & perspective he started with would slowly erode over time. You don't ask Clark Kent to be Superman 24/7; he'd help a lot of people sure, but undeniably *fry* all mental wellness without Lois Lane or Jimmy Olson as emotional support. And you sure af don't let the guy with a _Laboratory of Sorrow_ for his Fortress of Solitude do the world-saving with an less-than-stable grip on his sanity. Honestly as someone who'd probably not be strong enough to resist the deal, I think this is a huge factor in keeping things in perspective😅
Now that I realize it I heard that aigis did lose her memories when ryoji dies but her whole purpose in life was to stop the dark hour so would she just forget everything and everyone she would quite literally be just be unworking until she somehow gets her memories back
That doesn't make sense. If that were true, she would have forgotten everything after Nyx was defeated and wouldn't have been there for Makoto at the end. I know you're basing this on the manga, but extra media are seldom considered canon by Atlus which is why half of the Persona protags have had multiple names over the years.
I never thought of aigis' fate after the bad ending, and honestly, it's a very fucked up ending, not only for her though, but for everyone who was along on the journey Edit: Btw something you failed to mention is that in the photo for the warped reality ending in P5R, Joker and Akechi are looking at the player, almost as if they're self aware of the situation but are forced to live through their false happiness due to the players decision
In most bad endings characters are happy and don't realize anything is amiss, I think the worst one is Persona 1 because everyone knows and can feel the ice age, and while they survive only a few days at best, those few days are gonna be the most brutal ones.
Persona 4's bad ending is the one that never made any functional sense to me. Why the hell would anyone like ADACHI more than their friends? It was akin to the Mr. Eaten storyline from Fallen London where you're forced to sacrifice everything in-game and basically soft-lock your playthrough for the sake of nothing worth the time or effort. The only reasons to ever want to help Adachi is 1) you foolishly think he's been set up as a red herring, 2) you foolishly believe that he can be redeemed somehow if someone was on his side, 3) your curiosity over what might happen is trumping your common sense, or 4) You REALLY want that achievement.
The false reality ending in royal to me just makes me so pissed off. It’s the same to me as the fall ending in 3 as both protagonists just disregards their own and their friends growth over their entire journey over a last minute appeal to their emotions. I know their to point out the inverse of the games message but neither to me seem like something Ren nor Makoto would actually do if they weren’t puppets controlled by us
Idk i think Ren could absolutely be pragmatically convinced its the better option. Especially after seeing how rotten the world is and how difficult it is to change it over and over and over, even with the cheat code that is the metaverse.
Both characters have reasons to be incredibly cynical and skeptical of human nature. There’s a full-on _cult_ following Nyx in 3, and the inhabitants of the Prison of Regression clearly reject the Phantom Thieves up until the very end of the fight with Yaldabaoth.
Actually Makoto almost did go the bad ending route in the movie because he didn’t want the rest of SEES to suffer but he was stopped by remembering his mother’s last words to him which was her telling him to live.
That deadline ending for maruki really does hammer in the darker aspects of his character. You don't go to fight him but you are still an anomaly in his reality. So maruki's response? Summon you in your dreams and have Lovecraft Tentacles lobotomize you in your prison wear. Making you a near vegetable. Jesus....... That totalitarian imagry maruki was glazing certainly holds merit. Its even darker if you compare it to nazi or wartime lobotomy of prisoners.
There are technically no canon romances in persona but there are a few that are heavily implied the most obvious one that many people are convinced is canon is aigis. the main character probably only chose the good ending because he didn't want to forget Aigis
@@MegafanX123 Although I agree with you about rise and sumire, I think Ryoji's love is one sided. The reason I think that is because I still think the canon romance is Aigis. The reason I think so is because you can still date Aigis in the female character route. Aigis is the only female that Kotone can date and the social links also has an adjustment for the Female route, and that's because for Aigis's character it makes sense that aigis doesn't care what gender the main character is. which is also seen in Q2 where Aigis said she wants to protect both Makoto and Kotone
@@NoobsUnited9000 You can cheat in every game but that is not canon. It is just very difficult to max out all social links in 3 without cheating, but that is fixed in reload and since reload sold 1 million in the first week and will sell many more copies, that combined with game pass ensures that more people have played the remake than original FES and portable. So no cheating is not canon. Aigis on the other hand is canon in every form of media and is heavily implied in the game and spin-offs
@joopvanhedel1372 no. You're misunderstanding. There are canonical events that can't happen if the protagonist did not cheat with everybody or almost everybody. The things that Fuuka, Mitsuru, Elizabeth, Yukari, Chihiro all say and or do in the Answer, P4, P4A, and P4AU all point to the fact that Makoto was a serial cheater because they would not say and or do or look certain things or ways without having maxed out their social link with Makoto in P3. Like Chihiro definitely wouldn't be class president if Makoto didn't max her out. Yukari wouldn't be so hellbent on risking the world and be bitter against Aigis for getting the Wildcard for a character she otherwise wouldn't have had much interaction with if nothing happened. Elizabeth would also likely not be beating Erebus time after time and get so absolutely obsessed with door kun if nothing happened. Etc. Etc. Makoto is canonically as attractive as a model who personified nihilism. If anybody in Persona is going to be a cheater, no, in all of megaten? Its him.
That's because the Persona 2 duology weren't supposed to have bad endings, because how would it make sense if you got a different ending in IS but EP doesn't follow the ending you got in IS? ESPECIALLY when you're in the US? The point of bad endings is to have choices that punish the player for picking wrong choices in the most critical situations. Why should IS be considered the "bad ending" when Tatsuya can't really undo or prevent the fate of the world from ruin until EP?
@@bickerysebastian yeah I know but like really I ain't complaining or asking for more from Persona 2 duology but yeah that's true lol this is a really fair and accurate point to explain why it's never going to get bad endings since essentially it's like the persona 5 bad ending where you side with fake Igor instead of Lavenza but canon and you can't change the out-come of the situation (NGL persona 1 and 2 felt more heavier in problems compared to 3 and 4 and 5 since you literally don't have a navigator and every party member is a wild card while having a single or 2 ending in a story-line while being linear compared to how much freedom you get from persona 5 and 4 overworld and combat you get in the dungeons)
damn, maruki really just up and said "maybe I wanna be the bad guy for this one" and just basically unalives you. no mind altering, just comatose in a dusty, cobweb infested, forgotten room for all eternity. Also makoto's scream in the P3 missed dealine ending is genuinely horrific, like actually hearing you be ripped apart like an extra in a zombie flick
Where would she get the Dusk of Plume from to create new robots? The only functional SEES robot according to the timeline is Labrys, a prototype still in stasis and without a Persona and P4A establishes that Dusk of Plume, required to give robots human-like intelligence and the ability to wield Personas comes from real people.
On Persona 3 I believe the team isn't just down cause everything they did turned to nothing but for the fact that everything they did ended up dooming the world instead of saving it.
The worst thing about P3's bad end is that I don't think Aigis will even get the chance to wander the Earth alone until she breaks down. After all, how would she be able to survive the aftermath of the moon crashing into the Earth? We're talking about Armageddon/Scorched Earth/Planetary defragmentation here...
> I don't think Aigis will even get the chance to wander the Earth alone until she breaks down. And how is this bad? This is the best case scenario that would had been happen to her. The alternative will be even worse.
The bad ending where we didn't beat Adachi in time is frightening It's basically the fall, but MANUALLY This makes all the bad ending before Adachi's reveal more horrifying as we saw our friends slowly swallowed by the fog as the train goes. It could lead to a more post-apocalyptic spin-off where we ventured the already swallowed Inaba SMT Strange Journey-style after some news reported Inaba is "disappeared" and we couldn't contact anyone there
I love all the deeper messages in Persona that are right in front of us & so spot on. Okay so the bad ending in Persona 5 where you side with Yaldabaoth & society ends up becoming stagnant in never growing because they expect the "Phantom Thieves" to save them from everything. They all have become indoctrinated by the "Creator God" to rely on a Messiah in the Phantom Thieves instead of looking within & actually doing the work to change yourself instead of waiting for a miracle. Phantom Thieves is basically referring to Jesus in Christianity how blindly faithful people are to Jesus when we are doing exactly what that bad ending in Persona 5 is portraying, the ignorance of the truth by society in relying on a higher being to save them as opposed to saving themselves. That's why I love Persona and Shin Megami Tensei these games get you to really think outside the normal away from all popular beliefs engrained in some of us. I'm grateful for it.
Props to getting someone voiceact Nekomata from ZZZ, in a Persona video. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that's not an AI's text to speech voice. AI text to speech voices are typically very obvious to not be from a real person. Same with AI art, there's typically a clear pattern to the art style that it was not made by a human being
Meanwhile in SMT, only about chaos, law, or neutral, nothing is good or bad, it's based on players to choose which is good or bad. For me, fighting for humanity is the best, the others two, letting those demons or angel rule the world is super bad.
the thing with maruki reality that not everyone gets is that reality would be perfect,yes, but only as the way HE sees reality and the way HE wants you to be happy with it,lets say you love someone so he forces that someone against their will to love you,would that make you and that person happy?,no,then he can change everything every time he wants,thats why accepting his reality is actually a bad thing,you will never be happy,just forced to be
I know it doesn't count as a bad ending because it's the only ending of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and what leads to the start of Eternal Punishment, but I feel like we can all agree that the Innocent Sin ending is the worst ending out of all of these bad ends. The whole world literally explodes, while everyone who became part of the Masked Circle on the floating part of the city gets to live (if I'm remembering that correctly)
Love the Evangelion episode titles in each segment, I'll be using it on my channel eventually. In my concept for Persona 0, the Sebec Route Bad Ending would be canon. This lead to a 20 year timeskip where Naoya being transported to Earth B by Dirge(Pidge's shadow) in order to save Maki after her consciousness was located in the core of the N.E.S.T., waiting to merge with Aphophis after Japan's paranoia over Digital Fever. The country's horror over such an unanswered disease in the climax was Yoshiya's goal, since he was Aphophis' pawn; he then gets possessed by her after summoning his Ultimate Persona Cthulhu as bait. Pidge vowed to reunite with Dirge so they'd close the N.E.S.T. to avoid Earth B from being destroyed similarly to the previous realities(Earth Omega and Earth A, the former is where Naoya lived, and the latter Yuya/Umino and Akiha/Miwa's original world), furthermore killing the cosmic entity and everyone returning to their home dimensions. It would be interesting of a throwback turned goal Naoya would take, which means he'd share a powerful bond with the protagonist.
Well shit now I kinda feel bad about making the “deal” ending one of my files permanent endings because I did it because I’ve stretched about as much fun as I’m gonna get from that file on NG++ thin, and it acted as a get out of jail free card for those who do the harem route. Plus, it also serves as a great way of pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. You got revenge on EVERYONE. Kamoshida, Madarame, Kaneshiro, Sae and Shido. You even screw over Maruki since he got his awakening by the time the sky turned red. He was going to create his perfect reality only for the player to screw him over last minute and never get his wish either.
Good video only complaint I have is the ai voices they just ended up hurting my ears when I watched this with headphones if you really want these characters in the video please hire a voice actor
The Persona 5 Royale bad end is just objectively hell on fucking earth. Like you don't have free will. You can't do anything. Maruki could easly make so that rape is completely moraly right in the eyes of humanity and even if we rightfully don't agree with it we would still think it's right because he wants us to think that. Of corse he isn't that type of guy but the point still stands. You stop being a human and become Marukis puppet the second he wins and no matter if he is going to be a good or bad puppet master that is just plain wrong and terryfing. No matter if he is going to produce a world that dosn't have pain and suffering the means by witch he does it just make humanity his playdolls that he can and will manipulate and by what happend to Joker we can tell for sure that Maruki will fuck up anybody who tries to screw up his disgusting plan. I do not comprehand why anyone would think it's in any way a good thing that he wants to create such a world by such means.
Great video!! I too like theorizing about the implications of Persona’s bad endings, but the use of AI voices in certain points is certainly a turn off, it doesn’t really add anything to the video and just messes up it’s flow real bad… Please don’t take this the wrong way, again, this isn’t a bad video by any means, it’s just that there’s no way I can deliver this criticism without kinda sounding like I’m nagging, but I do genuinely hope your videos keep improving, there’s a lot of potential here :)
how so? Because to me it shows how much the thieves have grown and with how they saw what maruki did they actively seek to chase their dreams rather than live forever stuck in their traumatic past. How is that worse than being slaves to a cup or a councilor for all eternity?
@@TheDracolordianyeah man, the "true" ending is way better having Akechi dying after a horrible life, leaving Sumire with fucked up traumas of her sister, everyone going on separate ways and not knowing what is going to happen for them in the future. Maruki's is so shit, having Futaba happy with her mother, Akechi not dying, Morgana finally being human, and everyone happy together, such Maruki bullshit, he's a dictator 🤬🤬🤬
@caio7520 calm the fuck down dude. You claim that it’s worse because Akechi doesn’t die but even Akechi agrees it’s better for him to die than be a puppet for all eternity, Sumire finally realizing what her sister meant and felt about her and coming to terms with herself not being worthless, man Maruki is so nice removing this character development and lives in the case of Sumire
@@TheDracolordian Akechi having now a life to live is such a draaagg 😭😭 (he says he's a puppet but in reality, he can do anything he wishes), Ok Sumire had great development but is not needed if her sister havent passed aways, but about the others? And Futaba's mom? Makoto's family or Haru's dad?
Was this inspired by “Every Zelda is the darkest Zelda”?
And here i was thinking no one would get the reference lol
@@AkechiToo loved that video and this one too
Not slick buddy lol
Is that oofus from the AO Forum? Or am I seeing things!
@@CaptSalore oh hello there lol
For persona 3 it’s actually explained in Reload that the fall is everyone succumbing to apathy syndrome. So during the karaoke session, the world doesn’t end instantly. But everyone is instantly struck with apathy syndrome and just do nothing until humanity slowly dies out. Which is a lot more horrifying than it all just ending instantly.
...OH. Welp... Ok now imagine this, you're an infant just born in 12/31, and then it happens. Your mother looks weird, she only stands, lifeless into the ceiling. The day after, she's still looking at the ceiling. It's been a week and the house is rotting. Your mother passed long ago during that week, so the only thing to do now as an infant is wait your inevitable death, if you're even still alive by that point.
@@Wott248 The infant would be apathetic too, no one would care anymore
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@@Wott248 the infant wouldn't even care or notice, they would be affected too
@@holierthanu1 not to mention it would die faster.
I think thats how Bad endings work
Wow, really?
No, really?
duh
Yeah but it's not like the video is trying to prove that the title is true
Ch-chumiminn?
I like how short and sweet P3's bad ending is. You simply give up. Not in the P5 sense where you still know the truth of the situation, you give in to the human desire to forget one's mortality for even a moment and enjoy solace
What makes accepting marukis deal so much harder to watch is the fact that the final photo in the credits shows akechi and joker looking at the player like u know what u did
It’s like Joker and Akechi are asking the player directly “Well? Did *YOU* get the happy ending that *YOU* wanted? Good for you…”
It really wouldn't be a good ending for Joker and Akechi if you took his deal though.
@@TheMaskedNinja_ that's what they said
@@SegaFan25 missed the marukis ending part
A couple of points:
1) The Accomplice Ending is from Persona 4 Golden, which requires you to max out Adachi's SL (he didn't have an SL in vanilla). If you're going to count Persona 5 & Persona 5 Royal as separate games you should be counting Persona 4 & Persona 4 Golden as separate as well.
2) The bad ending from Persona 4 vanilla (which is still in Golden) is arguably worse than the Accomplice Ending since Nanako's dead, Teddy returns to the TV world and the Investigation Team kill Namatame.
3) Pretty sure that the Velvet Room taking the form of a prison isn't because of Yaldoboath taking over Mementos because when the real Igor returns he says 'it's been a while since the Velvet Room took this form' implying that Igor's had other visitors who have had the Room appear as a prison. It's also been stated in previous games that the Velvet Room takes shape to match the guest.
I know it’s belated, but I don’t recall Igor commenting on the shape of the Velvet Room. I thought what he said was “My, my. It’s been some time since I set foot in this place. Welcome to the Velvet Room!”
@@leoncruz7951 it's also likely still Yaldabaoth, because the room takes the form dependent on its guest, assuming the definition of a guest does not change when the location exchanges hands by non-agreed upon means, that still makes Yaldabaoth the guest, even if he pushes invitations to others, hence why it still resembled a prison to Joker's team when they were imprisoned there, because Yaldabaoth was still the main guest, and to explain the reason it stays a prison when Yaldabaoth leaves, imagine you saw a room as one thing for roughly a year, when it would change, would you not desire the familiar layout, the familiar appearance you grew accustomed to, you'd want it to remain what you knew it as, it's likely that Mementos itself were a part of or similar to the Velvet Room, but with all of humanity as its guest, hence why, even in lower levels, mementos looks like a subway, because that's what the entrance is known as, a subway station, you get used to a certain imagery, and once it would be taken away, you yearn for it, even if it were undesirable, simply because it felt solid to you, it felt as immutable as destiny, and once that belief is shaken up, the frame of mind of a person is thrown into panic.
The kaneshiro ending always hits me hard because of how fast i realized what happened to her
I also realized that potentially 3 of the 5 girls were forced into something sexual on their bad endings...
Ann is obvious, that whole arc was lust themed anyway. They flat out said what happened to Makoto... but Haru is more implied. She's basically forced to be married off to that guy, and he already showed he wouldn't hesitate to force his will on her. So you can only imagine what happens to her in that bad ending, but still a high possibility he forced himself on her.
Although Ann's is potentially the worst one along those lines cause she just would have been another among many victims.
That was the one that made me laugh so hard and say, "I guess that Akido was good for something huh you smug bitch?"
Yes, I'm one of the few people that didn't care for Makoto.
I found Futaba's to be the most sad because she kills herself and you got exposed though the latter didn't make sense given medjed's plan was to give you the win at the 11th hour.
@@Violent_Wolfenfuck is wrong with you? 💀
@@Violent_Wolfenidk dude if I had to be drugged and forced into prostitution to live life as a sex slave or kill myself, I’m buying the cheapest rope on Amazon
What about my boy tatsuya, even if we do everything right he's still f'ed
Persona 2 duology doesn't have bad or good endings. Whatever choice you do, it brings the player to the one and only ending, which is neutral
@@mrkv2807 Oh I'd say Innocent Sin has a VERY bad ending
And you earn the good ending by moving onto EP
The darkest ending in 2 is having only Lisa regain her memories in Eternal Punishment, leaving her alone with the fact that her childhood friends and the love of her life have no memory of her.
@@bardwayer Oof, that's a good point
Same with only Eikichi remembering
You're effectively getting them trapped in the same situation as Tatsuya was
If I'm correct its kinda funny that if adachi were ever to jumpscare you he could Insta kill you with his personas signature move
Persona 3: Dead and forgotten
Persona 4: Deadly secrets and the desire to ignore important and hurtful truths
Persona 5: Too much power will easily make you corrupted
Persona 5 Royal: To experience Joy and Happiness, one must know Pain, Sadness, and Loss to appreciate them and keep moving forward. Living in La La~ Lands will diminish it and make everything you have been through pointless.
this is how i wanted to try to describe things because each game up starting from 3 has something big
but what i love is 5 part the most since in 5 and 5 royal you have two gods
one who fulfilling the desires of the sins
while the other crafts a joyful illlsuion where sins wouldn't exist. just ignorance and happiness
The only silver lining is that the plague duo who never get arrested for their harassment are food for the villains.
When you realize the Persona universe is better universe compared to other one of the Megami Tensei/Mandala Network Universes due to the simple fact that it's a world where the nukes didn't drop that lead to a great flood killing most of humanity and then leading to a super death lazer that almost wiped out humanity for the second time.
Yeah, at least the Persona universe is INTACT, even if there's a mass of humanity's darkest desires in a shadow underrehlm that occasionally creates a god-like being that tries to destroy the world.
@@ScorbunGame And that's the timeline where the world and most of humanity didn't get fucked.
Ok I only played nocturne so I just need to ask.
What the fuck?
The use of F&H music in this video was fantastic, earned a sub 🍻
I think what a lot of people brush over in maruki’s ending is that, he can’t make everyone naturally happy, his entire palace is basically a rehabilitation center for people who aren’t happy in his new reality. His reality doesn’t appease to the entire world, just the phantom thieves and other confidants, maruki’s reality isn’t perfect and is flawed both in theory and in practice. Akechi is literally forced to comply with this reality which he doesn’t want, his desires aren’t appeased to like the rest of the phantom thieves, Maruki plays favorites and only uses his powers to run from his own trauma rather than facing them. His excuse for this reality is he doesn’t want anyone to feel pain, but he himself is still feeling pain, and knows that he can’t magic away from the pain because he knows his reality is fake. The ending has a lot things to consider than everyone is happy so everything is fine, my personal biggest concern is: the people who were forced to live in this reality rather than have their desires appeased to them, are they still the same person they were before maruki? Akechi hates this reality but is seen to be happy with it, is that even Akechi at that point? Or is everyone just a tool for Maruki to attempt to cope with his trauma. ironically in the ending Maruki’s quest to do the ultimate selfless action is the most selfish action in the game
To add on, if maruki can’t fix his previous trauma what about the ones he gains through isolation? I’m assuming he makes himself immortal to keep the reality going, but if he does his mental state will keep on deteriorating, and nobody can help him since nobody in theory should have any experience with hardship. And he won’t be able to experience a relationship again because he knows everyone alive is fake. After his mental health deteriorates who knows what he does with his reality.
Good sum up, I was very conflicted about why is Maruki’s world is a bad ending and ever since ending the game could find any concrete reasons to oppose his reality. In my first play trough I just went along with a notion of that a sudden shift of realties would surely bring some kind of unforeseen consequences and it is better to not try fix something that even a god can’t truly fix without its own flaws or smth. But on the other hand, I thought that Maruki isn’t a bad person and what he brought isn’t really something evil. At short, this arguments have been plaguing my mind for months and now I finally got an explanation that I like a lot.
Tysm
Maruki is the best.
@@intervensia4860 Essentially what Maruki's doing is just a softer version of what Yaldabaoth was doing; people hand over all control over their lives to a single strong authority figure who makes all the decisions for them.
@@-ReHaven I find it cruelly accurate how for _him_ the consequences of keeping reality running would likely be almost eldritch. It's something no human could withstand, so the immense human empathy & perspective he started with would slowly erode over time.
You don't ask Clark Kent to be Superman 24/7; he'd help a lot of people sure, but undeniably *fry* all mental wellness without Lois Lane or Jimmy Olson as emotional support. And you sure af don't let the guy with a _Laboratory of Sorrow_ for his Fortress of Solitude do the world-saving with an less-than-stable grip on his sanity.
Honestly as someone who'd probably not be strong enough to resist the deal, I think this is a huge factor in keeping things in perspective😅
evangelion ahh transitions
Now that I realize it I heard that aigis did lose her memories when ryoji dies but her whole purpose in life was to stop the dark hour so would she just forget everything and everyone she would quite literally be just be unworking until she somehow gets her memories back
it's the opposite, actually: Aigis is the only one who remembers; everyone else forgot
@@F1areon but in the manga it’s shown that aigis does actually forget just for some reason she is still working as usual
That doesn't make sense. If that were true, she would have forgotten everything after Nyx was defeated and wouldn't have been there for Makoto at the end. I know you're basing this on the manga, but extra media are seldom considered canon by Atlus which is why half of the Persona protags have had multiple names over the years.
@@Starburst29 is the manga even canon?
@@TheMaskedNinja_ it’s the version where the MC is fully realized as a character and isn’t just “literally me” in the game so yeah
that last ending is genuinely, without exaggeration, the darkest ending i've ever seen.
I never thought of aigis' fate after the bad ending, and honestly, it's a very fucked up ending, not only for her though, but for everyone who was along on the journey
Edit: Btw something you failed to mention is that in the photo for the warped reality ending in P5R, Joker and Akechi are looking at the player, almost as if they're self aware of the situation but are forced to live through their false happiness due to the players decision
In most bad endings characters are happy and don't realize anything is amiss, I think the worst one is Persona 1 because everyone knows and can feel the ice age, and while they survive only a few days at best, those few days are gonna be the most brutal ones.
Persona 4's bad ending is the one that never made any functional sense to me. Why the hell would anyone like ADACHI more than their friends? It was akin to the Mr. Eaten storyline from Fallen London where you're forced to sacrifice everything in-game and basically soft-lock your playthrough for the sake of nothing worth the time or effort. The only reasons to ever want to help Adachi is 1) you foolishly think he's been set up as a red herring, 2) you foolishly believe that he can be redeemed somehow if someone was on his side, 3) your curiosity over what might happen is trumping your common sense, or 4) You REALLY want that achievement.
The false reality ending in royal to me just makes me so pissed off. It’s the same to me as the fall ending in 3 as both protagonists just disregards their own and their friends growth over their entire journey over a last minute appeal to their emotions. I know their to point out the inverse of the games message but neither to me seem like something Ren nor Makoto would actually do if they weren’t puppets controlled by us
Idk i think Ren could absolutely be pragmatically convinced its the better option. Especially after seeing how rotten the world is and how difficult it is to change it over and over and over, even with the cheat code that is the metaverse.
Both characters have reasons to be incredibly cynical and skeptical of human nature. There’s a full-on _cult_ following Nyx in 3, and the inhabitants of the Prison of Regression clearly reject the Phantom Thieves up until the very end of the fight with Yaldabaoth.
@@UniqueHandlesthis abt Ren and his trauma and experience with the law system itself aswell
Actually Makoto almost did go the bad ending route in the movie because he didn’t want the rest of SEES to suffer but he was stopped by remembering his mother’s last words to him which was her telling him to live.
Best ending in the game by far..
That deadline ending for maruki really does hammer in the darker aspects of his character. You don't go to fight him but you are still an anomaly in his reality. So maruki's response? Summon you in your dreams and have Lovecraft Tentacles lobotomize you in your prison wear. Making you a near vegetable.
Jesus.......
That totalitarian imagry maruki was glazing certainly holds merit. Its even darker if you compare it to nazi or wartime lobotomy of prisoners.
i like the fact that he hinted at P4 as basically JJBA part 4 lol
The double Brian forming Erebus is so funny I can't lmao
The blue butterfly isn't Philemon in P5, it's Lavenza.
I really love how you went into detail with what happened to Aigis in the bad ending since I don't really see anyone talk about what happens to Aigis.
I need more bad endings that turn you into the main villain 😈
we need fanfics that follow that bad ending like endings that just end after becoming a main villain is kinda sad
hm yeah I agree, some for reason I love the bad endings,
There are technically no canon romances in persona but there are a few that are heavily implied the most obvious one that many people are convinced is canon is aigis. the main character probably only chose the good ending because he didn't want to forget Aigis
I think the most likely/implied ones are:
Makoto and Aigis
Kotone and Ryoji
Yu and Rise
Ren and Sumiri
@@MegafanX123 Although I agree with you about rise and sumire, I think Ryoji's love is one sided. The reason I think that is because I still think the canon romance is Aigis. The reason I think so is because you can still date Aigis in the female character route. Aigis is the only female that Kotone can date and the social links also has an adjustment for the Female route, and that's because for Aigis's character it makes sense that aigis doesn't care what gender the main character is. which is also seen in Q2 where Aigis said she wants to protect both Makoto and Kotone
Canonically Makoto bangs everybody and is a serial cheater. It's P4 and P5 that don't have canon romances.
@@NoobsUnited9000 You can cheat in every game but that is not canon. It is just very difficult to max out all social links in 3 without cheating, but that is fixed in reload and since reload sold 1 million in the first week and will sell many more copies, that combined with game pass ensures that more people have played the remake than original FES and portable. So no cheating is not canon. Aigis on the other hand is canon in every form of media and is heavily implied in the game and spin-offs
@joopvanhedel1372 no. You're misunderstanding. There are canonical events that can't happen if the protagonist did not cheat with everybody or almost everybody. The things that Fuuka, Mitsuru, Elizabeth, Yukari, Chihiro all say and or do in the Answer, P4, P4A, and P4AU all point to the fact that Makoto was a serial cheater because they would not say and or do or look certain things or ways without having maxed out their social link with Makoto in P3. Like Chihiro definitely wouldn't be class president if Makoto didn't max her out. Yukari wouldn't be so hellbent on risking the world and be bitter against Aigis for getting the Wildcard for a character she otherwise wouldn't have had much interaction with if nothing happened. Elizabeth would also likely not be beating Erebus time after time and get so absolutely obsessed with door kun if nothing happened. Etc. Etc. Makoto is canonically as attractive as a model who personified nihilism. If anybody in Persona is going to be a cheater, no, in all of megaten? Its him.
I love P2 but I'm sad there aren't any bad endings, only variations on one for EP
oof that sucks it would've been cool if P2 has a bad ending
Tbh, I'm not sure how you can do it, at least for Innocent Sin since that ending is the bad ending and Eternal Punishment is the do-over
@@connorharnage6697 oh yeah true I forgot the game is literally a bad ending which results in a new universe for persona 3 and 4
That's because the Persona 2 duology weren't supposed to have bad endings, because how would it make sense if you got a different ending in IS but EP doesn't follow the ending you got in IS? ESPECIALLY when you're in the US? The point of bad endings is to have choices that punish the player for picking wrong choices in the most critical situations. Why should IS be considered the "bad ending" when Tatsuya can't really undo or prevent the fate of the world from ruin until EP?
@@bickerysebastian yeah I know but like really I ain't complaining or asking for more from Persona 2 duology but yeah that's true lol this is a really fair and accurate point to explain why it's never going to get bad endings since essentially it's like the persona 5 bad ending where you side with fake Igor instead of Lavenza but canon and you can't change the out-come of the situation (NGL persona 1 and 2 felt more heavier in problems compared to 3 and 4 and 5 since you literally don't have a navigator and every party member is a wild card while having a single or 2 ending in a story-line while being linear compared to how much freedom you get from persona 5 and 4 overworld and combat you get in the dungeons)
OK, I see Persona 5 took cues from Persona 1 with Dr. Maruki's "actualization" powers modifying reality to grant everyone their ideal "reality".
damn, maruki really just up and said "maybe I wanna be the bad guy for this one" and just basically unalives you. no mind altering, just comatose in a dusty, cobweb infested, forgotten room for all eternity. Also makoto's scream in the P3 missed dealine ending is genuinely horrific, like actually hearing you be ripped apart like an extra in a zombie flick
I can never do the bad endings because it makes me feel bad LMAO
Love the evangelion transitions
You make Great videos buddy!
9:40 TBH. I kinda want game or DLC set place in the P3 bad ending.
Where Aigis built herself a robot army and it some some Nier:Automata.
Where would she get the Dusk of Plume from to create new robots? The only functional SEES robot according to the timeline is Labrys, a prototype still in stasis and without a Persona and P4A establishes that Dusk of Plume, required to give robots human-like intelligence and the ability to wield Personas comes from real people.
25:43 he killed using the myriads truths
Myriads Truths my beloved ❤️
p4 golden's accomplice ending gave me intense chill
Aigis remembering everything and living in a wasteland is kinda hard to believe. Especially since she wanted to kill Ryuji.
DAMN BRO!! THIS VIDEO IS FIRE!!!.🔥
On Persona 3 I believe the team isn't just down cause everything they did turned to nothing but for the fact that everything they did ended up dooming the world instead of saving it.
The worst thing about P3's bad end is that I don't think Aigis will even get the chance to wander the Earth alone until she breaks down.
After all, how would she be able to survive the aftermath of the moon crashing into the Earth? We're talking about Armageddon/Scorched Earth/Planetary defragmentation here...
> I don't think Aigis will even get the chance to wander the Earth alone until she breaks down.
And how is this bad? This is the best case scenario that would had been happen to her. The alternative will be even worse.
My brain after hearing P2's bad ending: Ok, but... Where's Hitler?
Oh that is just Humanity's shadow trolling.
Hitler is not the bad ending confirmed?
The fear and hunger music with p3 was diabolical
The bad ending where we didn't beat Adachi in time is frightening
It's basically the fall, but MANUALLY
This makes all the bad ending before Adachi's reveal more horrifying as we saw our friends slowly swallowed by the fog as the train goes. It could lead to a more post-apocalyptic spin-off where we ventured the already swallowed Inaba SMT Strange Journey-style after some news reported Inaba is "disappeared" and we couldn't contact anyone there
I love all the deeper messages in Persona that are right in front of us & so spot on. Okay so the bad ending in Persona 5 where you side with Yaldabaoth & society ends up becoming stagnant in never growing because they expect the "Phantom Thieves" to save them from everything. They all have become indoctrinated by the "Creator God" to rely on a Messiah in the Phantom Thieves instead of looking within & actually doing the work to change yourself instead of waiting for a miracle. Phantom Thieves is basically referring to Jesus in Christianity how blindly faithful people are to Jesus when we are doing exactly what that bad ending in Persona 5 is portraying, the ignorance of the truth by society in relying on a higher being to save them as opposed to saving themselves. That's why I love Persona and Shin Megami Tensei these games get you to really think outside the normal away from all popular beliefs engrained in some of us. I'm grateful for it.
Props to getting someone voiceact Nekomata from ZZZ, in a Persona video. I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that's not an AI's text to speech voice. AI text to speech voices are typically very obvious to not be from a real person. Same with AI art, there's typically a clear pattern to the art style that it was not made by a human being
@@zigazav1 its ai
Meanwhile in SMT, only about chaos, law, or neutral, nothing is good or bad, it's based on players to choose which is good or bad. For me, fighting for humanity is the best, the others two, letting those demons or angel rule the world is super bad.
the thing with maruki reality that not everyone gets is that reality would be perfect,yes, but only as the way HE sees reality and the way HE wants you to be happy with it,lets say you love someone so he forces that someone against their will to love you,would that make you and that person happy?,no,then he can change everything every time he wants,thats why accepting his reality is actually a bad thing,you will never be happy,just forced to be
17:49 "persona five golden" is what it sounds like is being said directly after this point.
i cant believe adachi was the junes tv killer
I wonder what persona 6's bad ending will be
I know it doesn't count as a bad ending because it's the only ending of Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and what leads to the start of Eternal Punishment, but I feel like we can all agree that the Innocent Sin ending is the worst ending out of all of these bad ends. The whole world literally explodes, while everyone who became part of the Masked Circle on the floating part of the city gets to live (if I'm remembering that correctly)
Nice reference to Mr Geller !
Not the submerged castle theme with the persona 5 bad ending 😭
24:14 there is no queen of england
Heh
Love the Evangelion episode titles in each segment, I'll be using it on my channel eventually.
In my concept for Persona 0, the Sebec Route Bad Ending would be canon. This lead to a 20 year timeskip where Naoya being transported to Earth B by Dirge(Pidge's shadow) in order to save Maki after her consciousness was located in the core of the N.E.S.T., waiting to merge with Aphophis after Japan's paranoia over Digital Fever. The country's horror over such an unanswered disease in the climax was Yoshiya's goal, since he was Aphophis' pawn; he then gets possessed by her after summoning his Ultimate Persona Cthulhu as bait. Pidge vowed to reunite with Dirge so they'd close the N.E.S.T. to avoid Earth B from being destroyed similarly to the previous realities(Earth Omega and Earth A, the former is where Naoya lived, and the latter Yuya/Umino and Akiha/Miwa's original world), furthermore killing the cosmic entity and everyone returning to their home dimensions. It would be interesting of a throwback turned goal Naoya would take, which means he'd share a powerful bond with the protagonist.
Wow, thanks for making one of the saddest endings even sadder by just stating that Aigus survives.
Woah that’s cra- DIO BRANDO⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
I always heard things.
Fear and hunger music.
Well shit now I kinda feel bad about making the “deal” ending one of my files permanent endings because I did it because I’ve stretched about as much fun as I’m gonna get from that file on NG++ thin, and it acted as a get out of jail free card for those who do the harem route.
Plus, it also serves as a great way of pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. You got revenge on EVERYONE. Kamoshida, Madarame, Kaneshiro, Sae and Shido. You even screw over Maruki since he got his awakening by the time the sky turned red. He was going to create his perfect reality only for the player to screw him over last minute and never get his wish either.
Honestly, Nyx and "O.R.T." from the Type Moon stuff share a lot of similarities...
Now I wonder who would be stronger between the two
P5 Royal has no bad endings, some people have such terrible lives, I would rather call it a different ending
Good video only complaint I have is the ai voices they just ended up hurting my ears when I watched this with headphones if you really want these characters in the video please hire a voice actor
Nyx casted mamudoon
yeah never do that yaldaboath intro bit again
The fear and hunger ost really fits p3 8:04
i saw someone comment that, if in p3 we pick bad ending that p4&5 character doesn't exist
The Persona 5 Royale bad end is just objectively hell on fucking earth. Like you don't have free will. You can't do anything. Maruki could easly make so that rape is completely moraly right in the eyes of humanity and even if we rightfully don't agree with it we would still think it's right because he wants us to think that. Of corse he isn't that type of guy but the point still stands. You stop being a human and become Marukis puppet the second he wins and no matter if he is going to be a good or bad puppet master that is just plain wrong and terryfing. No matter if he is going to produce a world that dosn't have pain and suffering the means by witch he does it just make humanity his playdolls that he can and will manipulate and by what happend to Joker we can tell for sure that Maruki will fuck up anybody who tries to screw up his disgusting plan. I do not comprehand why anyone would think it's in any way a good thing that he wants to create such a world by such means.
When the bad ending is dark! 🤯
The accomplice ending is thebest ending since Teddie is gone rip bozo nobody ever loved you
true!
11:40 i see what you did there!
the fear and hunger 😭
The Night Queen in Snow Queen route is also Nyx
I LOVE BAD ENDINGS!!
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Bro forgot persona 6 bad ending
Protagonis lost all the friendship and the world Destroyed 😂
The game that that DIO is from was never on PS2 💀💀💀
No more morgana... yknow the bad ending might not be so bad!
24:15 song name?
Sunken Castle Pikmin 2
19:42 womp womp
Great video!! I too like theorizing about the implications of Persona’s bad endings, but the use of AI voices in certain points is certainly a turn off, it doesn’t really add anything to the video and just messes up it’s flow real bad…
Please don’t take this the wrong way, again, this isn’t a bad video by any means, it’s just that there’s no way I can deliver this criticism without kinda sounding like I’m nagging, but I do genuinely hope your videos keep improving, there’s a lot of potential here :)
What soundtrack is this 24:24
@@vengkat1044 Submerged Castle from Pikmin 2
9:25 is this fan made?
Made by me
@@AkechiToo oh cool
Yusuke ❌ Yosuke ✅
Really persona five golden 17:51
What about persona two?
What A.I. voice did you use?
@@Inanis_Cor I forced an ai chatbot to read my script out at gunpoint
HELP WHY IS NEKOMATA THERE 😭😭😭😭
where is persona 2???
Royal’s true ending feels more like the worst ending than the bad ending.
how so? Because to me it shows how much the thieves have grown and with how they saw what maruki did they actively seek to chase their dreams rather than live forever stuck in their traumatic past. How is that worse than being slaves to a cup or a councilor for all eternity?
Yeah man, when i played Royal i choose Maruki's ending, for me it's way better to see everyone happy.
@@TheDracolordianyeah man, the "true" ending is way better having Akechi dying after a horrible life, leaving Sumire with fucked up traumas of her sister, everyone going on separate ways and not knowing what is going to happen for them in the future.
Maruki's is so shit, having Futaba happy with her mother, Akechi not dying, Morgana finally being human, and everyone happy together, such Maruki bullshit, he's a dictator 🤬🤬🤬
@caio7520 calm the fuck down dude. You claim that it’s worse because Akechi doesn’t die but even Akechi agrees it’s better for him to die than be a puppet for all eternity, Sumire finally realizing what her sister meant and felt about her and coming to terms with herself not being worthless, man Maruki is so nice removing this character development and lives in the case of Sumire
@@TheDracolordian Akechi having now a life to live is such a draaagg 😭😭 (he says he's a puppet but in reality, he can do anything he wishes), Ok Sumire had great development but is not needed if her sister havent passed aways, but about the others? And Futaba's mom? Makoto's family or Haru's dad?
persona 4itha
:3 yay
kasumi >>>>> sumire
I LOVE BAD ENDINGS!!!!