Valkorion VS Darth Sidious / God VS Senate ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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This video wouldn't happen if Papa Sheev just kneeled , but he didn't , so this happened.
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This video has a long story , It's been on my mind for years , but I needed conversation to make sense and to feel real.
So it took quite a while to piece dialogue together and also to be as 50/50 on both sides as possible , not giving one
or the other an advantage. Also I'm curious who do you think won at trash talking ? )))
"Grey Jedi/balance/Times change" this video is still under making , very hard to tell that story, still trying to figure it out
So as Vaylin part 3 which is also work in progress.
Stay tuned and may the Force Serve You Well !
DuduFilm Incredible, as always. I love how fair you were with the trash talk, to make sure it didn't seem like the video favored either opponent.
I'm a Sidious guy, through and through. His voice, his supreme confidence, is unbeatable when it comes to trash talk. Also I loved you're inclusion of Ian McDiarmid reading the Shakespeare's Return of the Jedi. Gave me chills here.
Love this! Finally! Though, the music in your videos tend to be too loud and sounding over dialogue.
DuduFilm Dudu you are the best
DuduFilm I’m a great fan of your work, however, the use of Lucifer’s Waltz is not the best for these two, they don’t collide, it just makes no sense. That music could have gone with a mastermind like Tarkin, Thrawn or you could have gone through the love between Anakin and Padme, then it goes silent, Anakin drops some good line, and it goes to him dropping her from a force choke, the music going immense. It goes through the “I HATE YOU” scene, Darth Vader breaking from his chains and shows the prowess of it all. Then as the music calms, you could show Darth Vader in Rebel’s when his face is shown. That would be fucking amazing.
Overall, in this there is no build of hate, no wonder, just two supposed Gods fighting and even then, it looked horrific at the end when they had a little fight, sorry Dudu but this has to be the most disappointing piece of work from you, in my opinion.
“Talking is your greatest talent. It is time I taught you when to listen.” Valkorion does have a point. That was a low bow to Sidious.
All he does is talk
@@dabitouyatodoroki5453 sidious is a good talker but it will do him no good against tenebreas
@KhorneKob that is canon, in legends things are much different
@@mr_kingpin4835 Well legends had BS palpatine.... though he never showed that he knew as many powers and skills as the sith emperor and palpatine was vunerable to force illusions like in case plageuis but something like though bomb could deal with sidious and he really wouldn't have a way to defend himself from it.
@KhorneKob Valkorion is descriped more of an force entity than a sith same with nihilus.
"You have mastered the dark side of the Force.. it is not enough.. it never was" pure savage
1:15
Lol
Favorite part
Palpatine: "UNLIMITED POWER!"
"Talking is greatest talent" oof.
My ascendance is inevitable. A day, a year, a millennium... it matters not. I hold the patience of stone and the will of stars. "Vitiate"
@Ryan he was xD I loved Valkorion his voice way more than when he was Vitiate :p it is smooth and villainious
@@laklomp both were great but I like valkorions more
My favorite sith lord qoute. So freaking ominous
"To understand the force in it's entirety is to master both sides of it"
-Darth Revan
"If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all of its aspects" - Palpy
@@Anetron1 Palpy didn't actual study all aspects
@Ryan Valkorian was actually a lot further into the Dark Side than Palpy was
@Ryan Valkorian has destroyed entire planets before. He could consume every living thing on the planet to become a lot more powerful. And the force storm thing was not his true power
@Ryan (seeing as Ziost was one of the core empire planets it would have been for more than 3 thousand... Closer to 3 billion most likely....
Considering he eradicated all life he also consumed every plant, animal, bacteria, virus etc, making the actual death count well... Beyond counting....
Seeing as he did the same on nathema we have two fully devoid of life planets, nathema even being stripped off the force...
“It is only now, in this, thy final living moment... thou dost comprehend thy folly... and my might.” Shakespearian Palpatine is the best Palpatine
He would kneel before the Dragon of Zakuul
@@MultiDevilmaster nah
@@MultiDevilmaster Mega nope
VtotheAtotheDER ReconstructingTheDeathStar
I dunno man, it would probably be a close enough fight that neither would kneel to the other, so ya know, they’d part ways vowing to battle again in time, but in the meantime, they’d tear the galaxy apart and they overall would cause levels of destruction akin to the Clone Wars.
Where is that line from?
Have no idea who would win, but reguardless, whatever planet they fight on should probably be listed as "uninhabitable" after lol
Palps, hands down. He can tear holes in space-time essentially kill planets.
Considering they can BOTH kill planets...how about just wall off a section of the galaxy for their fight? I think it would take a few planets to decide a victor.
Cruallassar lol I wonder what they do in between planets. Do they just like agree at a meeting place or travel together? If they travel together, do they fly in like a small shuttle, or in a large capital ship, or maybe they book some sweet cruise ship?
I wonder if they would sit down and have drinks together, and just talk about how the Outlander and Luke has just ruined their plans. Or maybe they would play Sabacc. Or play Cards with Humanity (cause they're kinda already against it lol).
Or maybe they just sit on opposite sides of the ship and just brood to this video on repeat, thinking how to kill each other in under 3 minutes. Cause when they arrive on the next world, it won't be three minutes before it's wrecked and they're back in the ship traveling again.
I feel like this has some great sitcom material
They are both faaaaaar too proud for such things. Even so, it would definitely be a great sitcom...
As for what ships they use, why else would they have their massive star cruisers? The Eternal Fleet has a fantastic Dreadnought, and Palpatine's Eclipse-class SSD is one of the biggest starships in sci-fi. (Ignoring certain anime I could name.)
forget about the planet they fight being uninhabitable. your gonna have to erase it from the galaxy map after there fight.
Rap battle of the century
Alex Greaney EPIC WAHP BAHTTLES OHF HISTOHWAH
True
I think you mean rap battle of the centuries ;)
nowadays: WAP!!!!
Flyting battle of the millennium!
Palpatine: UNLIMITED POWER!
Valkorion: You presume limits to my power, there are none.
Valkorion has died to non force users
@@pnss3569 true, but at least he died fighting, while Sid was tossed down the drain when his victory was assured just bcs he didn't train his lapdog properly
@@antsletjuka6304 Dying to oneness amped Vader >>>>>>>> Being banished by a non force user
@@pnss3569 "oneness amped Vaber" when? from what i remember Sid did being tossed like a trash bag by an one hand, electrocuted Vader
TPM Sidious > Valky
AOTC Sidious >> Valky
ROTS Sidious >>> Valky
10 BBY Sidious >>>> Valky
ANH Sidious >>>>> Valky
ESB Sidious >>>>>> Valky
ROTJ Sidious >>>>>>> Valky
DE Sidious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valky
Ironic, that in our world Tenebrae was inspired from Palpatine.
But in the actual lore, its the other way around.
sidious was actually a big fan of tenebrae
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk where is this stated?
@@astrobookwormsinger in legends, it was not stated which sith Lord it was, but we can imagine it's tenebrae
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk That's Plagueis, not Sidious.
@John joseph Corona always saitama. he is a parody who is always meant to be the strongest and unbeatable. He can punch the universe out of existence if he needed to lol,
That would be an incredible fight to witness. Two of the most powerful Dark Lords in history going head to head
B I mean, you can make them off, it doesn't mean they actually would. Sidious would destroy any other known Sith Lord in combat. Anyone who really knows the lore knows that.
I think there are some misconceptions. In a war between Force-sensitives, sheer power...unlimited power even...isn't necessarily the deciding factor. Furthermore, Valkorian may actually be more powerful than Palpatine without contradicting the fact that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith Lord. Let me explain.
Valkorian was immensely powerful, yes. But it wasn't his own power that made up the bulk of what he had to draw upon. He consumed the energy of others through Sith Alchemy, and that is what made him perhaps the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. Palpatine on the other hand achieved comparable levels of power, through purely his own strength. One possessed unlimited power, the other stole unlimited power. But that isn't all.
Certain Force powers, and combat tactics as a whole, serve to counter others. Sith Lightning is a pure power play between Force users, no doubt about it, but other techniques at their disposal are more subtle and may serve to tip the balance. Valkorian had access to a far greater arsenal than Palpatine did...Palpatine had some skill in Sith alchemy and could cloud the minds of others, see into the future to a degree, and had lightening for days, but Valkorian had all these and more...with Force Drain and Force Dominate being his strongest points.
Now neither of them really use lightsabers in their end days, but Valkorian at least didn't need to care about such things...his ability with Tutamenis against lightsabers assured that. We've never seen Palpatine use that skill with such proficiency to my knowledge, although it stands to reason that he would use it. And of course I leave out a vast array of other elements to Valkorians knowledge and power.
In the end, I have no idea who would win. I can see it going either way. But I also can't just let people spout off about one of them obviously winning because this and this and this.
And yes, I am very well aware that Legends/ridiculous Palpatine could decimate planets with his Force Storms. Even so.
That's Darth Nihilus.
That is kind of a fight that one is better to watch from another star system.
The Son of Suns A younger Sidious perhaps, not the Sidious in ROTJ.
This was basically a roast battle
with some good references, lol
*IRONIC, HE COULD SAVE OTHERS FROM DEATH BUT NOT HIMSELF*
@@theunhoodedjawa7366 But he cheated death twice. Palp does only talk
All4One Palps cheated death a few times too in Dark Empire.
@@KrisFrost4359 Vitiate lasted til 60 years before Palpsy so Vitiate has escaped death alot so can we name him sir diesalot?
I like Valkorion, especially his voice!
hes cool and all but I really hate him as a person
spookwagen second come on, like Sidious is such a likeable person either? :P
I agree.
@@Nickelback8469 Ye they both horrible, but cool
Replicating it isn't easy even for a bilingual person like myself
Palpatine = I love democracy
Vitiate = Democracy is overrated .
Monarchy is where it's at.
@@Cptsuccess no no. Divine right is not enough. He needed to be the divinity itself 😱🤣
Eternal Totalitarian Divine Monarchy with Zakulaan Characteristics.
Screw this, I would support it.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong Honestly, going by current standards, Zakuul would be an utopia.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong Hello there.
"You do not have to stand against me,
You can kneel"
Bars
I love how you founds ways to make it actually seem like they're talking to each other.
"What thou hast not repaid with thy bailiff, I shall exact from thine own flesh."
"You mistake me for your own weak flesh. I do not end."
"You will find that it is you who are mistaken. About a great... many... things."
Also I love that apparently the most replayed moment of the video is when Sidious say "'Tis only now, in this, thy final living moment, thou dost comprehend thy folly, and my might."
"Talking is your greatest talent" and "You have masterd the darks side, it is not enough, it never was" these are actually good points Valkorion makes. Valkoorion is just more like a force entity than a sith lord like Sidious.
Valkorion isn’t an entity. Only The Ones and Abeloth are entities. No matter what propaganda Valkorion spews out, he is canonically a sith.
Valkorion is an ancient Sith entity with the power to possess and control the bodies of others, using them as puppets to enforce his will on the galaxy. The Immortal Emperor is his latest mask and Zakuul his greatest, most ambitious endeavor: an idealistic playground where he can shed his past and experience a new life unburdened by archaic Sith teachings. A manipulative survivor, Valkorion pinpoints the weaknesses of both friends and enemies alike, twisting them to serve his purpose. He believes the entire galaxy is his to shape and will stop at nothing to reach his goals.
@@pnss3569 Yes I know that I meant more Like in comparison to Sidious Valkorion is in my opion much Stronger
@@joelburkle I don’t agree but I like that you have a different opinion and I will respect it :)
@@pnss3569 in the end everyone has a different opionion on certain things and we have to respect other opionions
I can respect it that you have an other opionion and it is good to see someone not instantly hate me for having a different opionion
@@pnss3569 let’s not forget that valkorion didn’t have a body for a while and still devoured a planet. An he became the emperor of two empires
Imagine if Valkorion lived long enough to find Sidious and take him as an apprentice. The Jedi and the Galaxy wouldn't stand chance.
What Lovecraftian horror is this?
Like, I don’t think if Valkorion would stood a chance
Pretty sure anakin if he didn't fall or grandmaster Luke could take them.
Revan almost beat valkorian/vitiate if scourge wasn't a moron
@@delta2372 luke would fail miserably. youre talking about a literal god here. even if luke somehow killed his body, which is impossible because he couldnt penetrate valkorions forcce shield, valkorion would just take over his body like he always does. and unlike he outlander, luke doesnt know valkorions dirty little secrets and would not be able to use the extremely unlikely flaw that ended up costing the emperor his life.
@@jenshep1720 if Luke can take on a literal cosmic horror like abeltoth im very sure he can take vitiate
"talking is your greatest talent, Its time i taught you when to listen" straight slap in the face from Valk
I see you are a Lord of the Sith of culture as well. Darth Imperius is best lord.
"You mistake me for your own weak flesh."
"You have mastered the Dark Side of the Force.
It is not enough.
It never was."
As a Sith Sorcerer main, this line right here. Legit chills, every time I hear it. All my striving, all my struggling and survival to make it to the top echelons of the Sith Empire... they meant nothing before the The Emperor.
Same here, I totally bowed in that first scene haha
Indeed.
I’m a sith warrior main and the manipulation honestly shows. He tries to act like he cares for you because “you’re my wrath” but when he’s against you, he casts you aside as if you are nothing
Watching this I think one of the lines sums up who would win.
"You have mastered the Dark Side, it is not enough. It never was."
Revan vs Valkorion
@@alexanderthegreat6682 Revan lost against Valkorion.
@@valenrn8657 Only due to Scourge but if you play SWTOR, he wins in the end.
@@cipherxi8513 Not correct, Raven has Surik and Scourge on his side, hence that's three vs one, but Scourge chose to betray his allies by stabbing Surik in the back and distracted Revan enough for the Emperor to blast the Jedi Master with more lightning. Revan lost against the Emperor in 1 on 1 battle.
I played SWTOR MMO and I have my own 250 member guild as a guild master.
@@valenrn8657 well revan, surik, satele, scrouge, arcaan, veylen, Senya, Mc and like 4 generations of force armies managed to beat him in onslaught, I think that’s what he’s talking about
Wow. This was absolutely incredible. The dialogue and scenes meshed so well with the music. This was truly a masterpiece, Dudufilms.
Caleb Yip I know right?! I have been replaying the hit bottom like crazy!
Shakespearean Sidious at 1:54 is amazing
That gave me the fucking chills man. Especially seeing Ian perform it live.
Lmao “he can save others from death but not himself” lmao that’s my new quote for healers on Swotor
Damn, this is really well put together. The clips, the quotes, the music, it all fits so perfectly. Such a simple idea, but so well executed. Hats off to you, mister.
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Hell Yeah!
Valkorion (Vitiate/Tenebrae) ruled for over 1000 years. Sidious ruled for less than 30. Valkorion would terrify Sidious and wipe the floor with him if he refused to kneel.
Vitiate rules the sith, Sidious rules the entire galaxy and he didn't pussyfoot around and do little rituals like the old sith he just straight up annihilated the old jedi order and he destroyed entire civilisations including the mandalorians and alderaan plus many more he just violated the whole galaxy relentlessly until he was finally put down lol. So really what your saying is in his lifetime Sidious became the most powerful sith ever and accomplished everything that vitiate failed to in 1000 years lol
palpatine is ridiculously mundane compared to Vitiate. In the legend, Palpatine's greatest achievement was destroying a fleet of ships with the Force Storm, in addition to being obsessed with super weapons to intimidate the weak. Vitiate is not afraid of this as no weapon or destructive power affects him. Palpatine has the dream of ruling the galaxy for Vitiate to rule and create civilizations and the same as playing civilization
"Talking is your greatest talent... it is time I taught you when to listen." BURN!!!
"If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters"
This quote, made by Kreia in Kotor 2, always makes me question whether or not modern Jedi could ever stand up to ancient Sith or Jedi in terms of sheer lightsaber prowess.
**Laughs with Grand Master Luke and Jaina Solo** 🤣
@@abstraction6212 legends characters after the fall of the empire > old republic characters > current canon characters
@@Evren_ Luke > Darth Krayt > Valkorion > Jaina Solo > Darth Empire Sidious > Old Republic
In terms of sheer lightsaber prowess Tulak Hord would dunk on Grand Master Luke and Jaina Solo. As well as every other "modern" Jedi or Sith.
Don't get me wrong Grandmaster Luke would win... But only cause his superior power and use of the Force.
Lightsabers alone and he wouldn't last a minute
Kriea is a lying bitch, take EVERYTHING she says with a grain of salt.
Vitiate/Valkorian was on the verge of becoming a celestial. If he wasn't defeated , he truly would have transcended.
Ryan so Valkorian possessing thousands of force users at will at the same time, surpassing death more times than you can count, and eating worlds like they're your girl's butt hole for breakfast is laughable? Not to mention ruling an empire of unruly Sith by having them obey through sheer fear alone. You would think he would have been a candidate to become a celestial buuuut
Ok 😂😂👏👏
Ryan show me the reference of Sidious controlling 20 billion people. Unless you're referring to the clone wars or the imperial era since psychological manipulation is one thing, but actually dominating multiple minds into slavery through the force is another, hence Sidious losing Vader because he couldn't fully control him .
He only consumed a planet due to his own power 🤔🤔 not with the help of others. And the feat of consuming a planet for the sake of a power up is proof enough on how powerful Valkorian is, especially since there were other Sith lords on the planet. He killed a Sith Lord when he was merely a child, hardly comparable to Sidious killing his own weak family as a adolescent. Not to mention Valkorian could subjectate the Jedi council and Sith council members with a mere gesture.
And with your second point, you gotta rewrite that because I can't understand your bad grammar 😭😭
Finally with your third point, you're comparing them to Abeloth? Lmfao I never said Valkorian was a celestial , I merely said he was approaching that level. Are you mad or something 😂😂😂 coming up with these arguements I never debated to. Calm down and eat a snow cone little one, pepelaugh.
Ryan which page and which chapter ? He was already on Sidious's level but amplified it by consuming others. And whether or not it was "his own power" he still took it by force and made it his own. Which is the principle of the dark side and even the Rule of two. Using whatever means to gain power.
And in regards to him being killed permanently, he survived death numerous times before his end when Sidious only survived once.
And I'm not saying Sidious is weak, I'm saying Valkorian would wipe the floor with him, "permanently ". Now stop getting triggered about me talking about your girl 😭😭
Ryan hahaha awww are you mad because we steal your women ? We Americans are good at that 😏 😭😭😭 grow some balls and man up boy.
I checked your link and it's not a source 😂😂 it's just a bunch of nerds talking about the E.U. Maybe you didn't get a proper education on learning how to properly reference a source . Come back when you have a education lmfaaaooo.
Eric why is this Ryan kid so angry ? Did his mommy not give him his morning milk yet?
Vitaite was stated to be the most powerful, yet Sidious was also stated to be the most powerful by Geroge Lucas. Perfect match up.
It's geniunely hilarious sometimes how utterly clueless most Internet randoms are.
What if Sidious is a kind of reincarnation of Valkorion anyway? It would explain the ridiculous amount of power Sidious possesses and why he isn't some Sith that got shanked by his apprentice early on.
What you're saying doesn't make sense.
Vampire Matter
He is so powerful because Banes rule of two, which means every generation of sith is more and more powerful.
@Shrek Except that both Plagueis and Sideous never truly fought and won against their masters and were more concerned with gaining immortality than becoming more powerful.
@@Lobsterwithinternet
There were more sith after Darth Bane, not just Sidious and Plaqueis.
@Shrek I know. There are a bunch. But Starting with Darth Tenebrous, the Rule of Two was pushed by the wayside in favor of finding out the secret to immortality and becoming the chosen one. And Tenebrous wasn’t killed in combat but by treachery. How does letting someone get killed in an accident make you more powerful than someone who had to kill their master at their zenith?
"You mistake me for your own weak flesh. I do not end." I can listen this again and again and I will never get bored of it. Great line that describes the whole vitiate's character in the way it is. Kudos to a great voice actor.
I appreciate this question being posed by someone other than me. In this battle to end all other battles, who would be the victor? Honestly, I think it would be Valkorion
Valkorion annihilates Sidious in a heartbeat
@@faith518 Precisely. Valkorion would be Sidious' greatest chalenge. Sidious would be nothing more than squashing a fly to Valkorion. Inconvenient, yet forgettable and ultimately irrelevant.
@@JohnEdwardGammell Well said, mate
I feel like Mastery of the Dark Side was just the start for Valkorian. As he says "It isn't enough. It never was."
Sidious would probably be hestitant to fight someone as powerful as vitiate, vitiate would not recognise him as a sith But would probably be perplexed as to Why he couldnt dominate this non force sensitive man. Vitiate takes great interest in palpatine and sidious does the same in hopes of learning more about vitiate. Sidious will wait and plan a circumstance were he can catch vitiate off guard and kill him before vitiate could realise in how much danger he was in.
This is possible, assuming he COULD hide his force sensitivity... BUT IF ANYBODY CAN, thats literally Sheevs absolute ultimate mastery.... I dont think Vitiate could sit in the Jedi council and not be recognized for years. That is THE ONE area I do think that Sheev IRREFUTABLY is more masterful than Vitiate.
Although... I dont even think you can kill Vitiate... Im not convinced hes even gone now.
His connection to the force was so ultimately abject that he almost became a extra-temporal non-human entity. And Im not completely convinced that that isnt entirely the case.
@@thomasinefitzpatrickI think he means kill him like in the sense he's killed in the game; maybe his essence still exists somewhere, but he himself is rendered effectively inert and unable to continue to influence galactic events.
My gods.....this actually sounds like a legit conversation.
I love the depth behind him saying "You have mastered the dark side of the force.. It is not enough.. It never was."
There is no delusion Tenebrae thinks he uses the light side. Nor is he telling the Wrath (who he actually said this to) that he must.
While Sith traditionally seek the full power of the Dark Side, be it through mastery, The Rule of Two, or other means,
Tenebrae has done what others could not.
Light, Dark, Life, Death, Mind, Soul. He surpassed them. He chained them. He devoured them.
"There is no death. There is only The Force.. And I am its master." - Tenebrae
My Sith Inquisitor:😰
After thinking about this match a lot over the years (but especially lately) I came to the conclusion that both of their physical bodies would most likely be disintegrated during such battle. I mean, both of them are SO RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED that the amount of power unleashed would most likely cause untold destruction to everything around them; destroying the casters themselves in the process. I don't think either one of them will end up dying though; both know how to use the Essence Transfer Ritual to the degree of skill that prevents them from dying. It should be noted, however, that Vitiate is more skilled in this technique and can use the ritual in more complex ways (like, for example, divide his essence over various possessed beings and create an imprint in his original Sith body: effectively preventing him from truly dying unless said vessel is destroyed. Sidious never did something like this), but the point is that Palps still has enough skill with the ritual to at least provide him a way to survive the encounter. I declare this a tie.
Sidious did not master both sides of the force ... Tenebrae/Valkorion, on the other hand, *DID* ...
@@alfredquirinus4025 I never interpreted that that way when I played the game. Weird notion that Vitiate would use the Light Side, it doesn't match his character at all. His core behaviour and personality is purely dark barring other things he did to manipulate people, being the self-serving asshole that he is, much like Palpatine.
@@jakobrenner2230 - if he said dark side alone is not enough, it means about skills like healing, protection from physical attacks and absorption of force attacks thru the force (skills from the light side!) ...
For some of us who have had the luck of playing either Jedi Academy or Jedi Outcast, a high-ranking force user doesn't use pure dark side abilities ... Doing so would leave them exposed to everyone else, not just to the Jedi!
Let's face it, Palpatine's array of skills is minimal next to Tenebrae's
@@alfredquirinus4025 I love Jedi Academy, it was my first sw game. However I always considered the "alignment" to be relegated only to gameplay mechanics and not story. Also, I don't consider Tutaminis and the form of healing that Vitiate uses (Dark Heal, which is an ability that Sith like Freedon Nadd and Darth Nihilus possess) are necessarily Light Force abilities. I have a very different view of the Force than you do friend and I guess that's okey, the Force is open to interpretation when it comes to it's more metaphysical aspects.
@@jakobrenner2230 damn you are the most chill arguer in this comments section with no bias, just facts and fact-based standpoints
"If man wont kill God, THEN THE SENATE WILL HAVE TO DO IT"- Lex Luthor
Here is why I think Valkorian would win.
Sidious underestimates everyone. With little concern for a backup plan that doesn't include kill everything (Operation cinder)
Valkorian built and controlled the sith empire to go to war and distract the republic so he could forge a second empire of zakuul.
He ran two empires at the same time, was watching through the eyes of who knows how many of his children while also directly possesing a few, had and (poorly) raised kids. He did all this himself. Driving both sith and jedi to the verge. All on his own plan.
Plaps just worked off the work and effort of those before him. The plan was in the works and motion before palpatine was born. So I cannot say he is the mastermind behind it all.
Finally while EU palpatine can transfer into a host its mainly just clone bodies of his own as a force user of any worth would eject him. Anything less would dimish Palpatine's own power inside the body.
However Valkorian can not only transfer hosts but sustain himself outside a body for a time. And even drain worlds while outside a body. So even if palps killed Valkorian he would simply come back later and kill him.
Sidious didn't do anything. He followed the plan laid out for him by the previous sith. He alone isn't able to take full credit. Sidious was born in power and found by a man whom was incredibly knowledgeable with the ways of the force.
Vitiate was born weak, last in line and pushed aside. He fought and clawed his way up. Plotted and executed his own plans and made himself near immortal. As for his children beating him thats debatable. As he planned for his son to betray him as he wanted the outlander's body as a replacement. As for his children being beaten by non-force users. That again is debatable. As the story changes depending on the character you are and your choices. From force user to non-force user.
However even if you say he was killed by a non-force user you still have to give credit where its due. This is a very skilled and highly trained person that has already proven themselves against force users. So yes a very well trained, well equipped person can kill a force user but thats kinda a no duh.
What did sidious do?
He destroyed the jedi as the sith have been planning for years following the plans of those whom came before him.
Killed his master in his sleep without learning all he could first. Which weakened his overall possible knowledge of the force.
Broke the rule of two and thus provided the galaxy with many dark side users whom could and would eventually challenge him.
Was beaten by a novice jedi with no real skill at the time and his father who lost most of his force abilities.
Lost a full empire before full generation(Those whom were born during the time of the republic saw the fall of the empire)
Made a plan to destroy the remain of the empire after he died.
What did vitiate do?
Was born a weak slave but proved himself enough to work his way up. USing both jedi and sith to trick his way into power.
Preformed a ritual which drained a full planet of all life and pulled it into himself.
Made himself near immortal.
Survived an assassination attempt of several jedi of which many were master level and all whom were combat trained against sith. (Sidious cannot claim this since those masters he killed had never fought true battle hardened sith before)
Created and maintained TWO empires for well over a thousand years.( 26 times longer than plap. While keeping one secret from both the republic and his own sith)
So tell me again which one was more accomplished? The man whom was destroyed by a rag tag rebellion with little resources and very few jedi whom were almost all under trained. And lost his entire operation in under 40 years
Or the man whom ran an empire, was in full war with a republic whom had great amounts of funding and resources, a proper military, and a full jedi caste with thousands of well trained and battle hardened jedi. For a thousand years. Only to then show the sith empire was only a distraction from his real empire of Zakuul whom had a knight core that used both light and dark sides of the force. Whos plan to take the body of the outlander, a younger body was foiled by not only the character (Force user or not) but by those whom helped him (Most of which were force users including Valkorian's children. Which without the outlander would have been killed, taken over and the zakuul empire would likely be ruling the galaxy)
Ryan he beat the jedi during the first assassination attempt and several times they tried to stop him from consuming a world.
He did not lose everytime
However the first time sidious came against a real challenge aka Luke. He failed.
And saying all non force users are weak period is outright wrong. Plenty of things are done by non force users. Hello jedi and Sith couldn't exist without them.
The entire meaning by the rule of two was to create a sith lord powerful enough to take them out of hiding and destroy the jedi order, and Palpatine was said sith. He was litteraly strong enough to warrant the creation of the Chosen one, strongest force sensitive in history
Tbh, Im not convinced that Valkorion is dead yet.... They missed A HUGE opportunity not tying these two stories and sith eras together.... COICIDENTALLY... Plagueis master is Darth Tenebrous.... Imagine if Plagueis master was the original Tenebrae... Valkorion. Either through essence transfer, or some other ghost, possession or influence... What if HE was responsible for the things leading to Anakin.
And you could have harmonized it all by making Palpatine, and him "Being all sith" A perfect culmination of BOTH BANE era sith AND Valkorian...
The missed opportunity here CANNOT be overstated.
You could even throw something in about Valkorian being involved in Anakins conception... Maybe trying to create a chosen one vessel or something. Perhaps Sideous killing his master circumvented that... pretty consistent with the Sith always being the thing that allows the jedi to ultimately win every time when the sith reach an uncontestable zenith of power.
Make Valkorian use Sideous instead of Anakin because of the interruptions caused by Palpatine or whatever
It hurts my heart
Its a story that accidentally works so perfectly its almost begging to be told...
It makes Valkorian and Sideous not only effective book ends on our perspective on the universe, but instead of competing with each other in a way which makes both of them look inconsistent, they perfect and complete each other, harmonizing as though it was made for it
@@rasgrizrevelations4145 "Sidious didn't do anything"
Palpatine succeeded where all the Sith Lords before him failed and he became emperor ruling the galaxy for to decades (in oppose to Vitiate who never ruled the galaxy but just manipulating events).
He used his talents in hiding his strength in the force fooling both Jedi and Sith.
He used force cloud to blind the Jedi from seeing the future.
He used telepathy and force dominating mind combined to control the empire from his palace meanwhile he researched the dark side further.
He used force drain to drain the entire galaxy after becoming emperor.
He created force storms that could annihilate a planet.
He created clone bodies to secure he would never end in Chaos.
You sound like a complete idiot they way you talk about Palpatine...
This is a presidential debate.
I’d vote for Palpatine
Nay,more like imperial debate
Better than Trump and Biden debate😂
“You Mistake Me For Your Own Weak Flesh” 😮💨😭😭
"Oh nooo. . . You will find it is you who are mistaken. . .
About a great many things."
I'm not sure who would win, but if they started fighting anywhere near me I'd get into my ship and fly away as fast as possible.
Lmao same except I doubt I would survive
@@andrewhodyss9092 Yeah, let's ask the people of the Asylum how well that escape went- oh wait. Maybe the people of Ziost? Ehm...
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"Valkorion"or Vitiate I would say is far more powerful and more knowledgable in the Dark side of the Force and would just destroy Palpatine. He achieved what Palpatine always dreamed of and searched for, to cheat death and live an "eternal" life. Valkorion is even wiser and more powerful than Palpatine's master Darth Plageuis and Darth Tenebrous before him.
PillsburyDoughboy Yeah, but is Valkorio the Senate?
He doesnt need to be. He could be the "Senate", king of the Galaxy or a slave if he so pleases. Time is his asswipe, the Galaxy his toilet.
Not really.EU Palpatine has done everything Valkorion did on a far greater scale
+Spawn What he "did" in the EU is a fraction of what Valkorion has done for multiple millennia. Sidious is an arrogant little insect compared to Vitiate. Gone are the days of truly powerful Sith Lords. Palpatine is a mere shadow of the Sith of the Old Republic era.
PillsburyDoughboy Lmao no. You clearly dont know anything about EU Palpatine who could also drain planets of life and create wormholes
Both emperors can literally cheat death. The only difference in legends and canon Palpatine clones a few times in legends and once in canon and it’s only been thirty years. The other emperor was lived for whole centuries through sith alchemy and rituals
Basically god emperor of man but weaker and evil
@@blockmaster7777 and not a skeleton stuck to a chair forever
@@ryanhughes6405 darth andeddu?
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Well I mean he could get up and just be alive again but the problem is this would kinda fuck over the imperium
Valkorion - more powerful in knowledge of sith, people, and the force
Palpatine - more powerful in USING the force, fear, and his lightsaber fighting
If I'm being honest feel like Valkorion has a huge edge in the force than Palpatine, since Valkorion renders Lightsabers and fear useless in battle. Plus Valkorion force lighting is like 100x stronger than what we saw Palpatine use. But its to be expect since the sith grown weaker over there ages after Bane.
Let's compare and contrast:
Sidious most powerful abilities (draining the entirety of Byss while also wiping their minds of any memory of him. Byss had a higher population than either Nathema or Ziost) and the Force Storms just needed extended concentration. Vitiate's most powerful feats are not things he can do on a whim. Vitiate needed Zildrog to wipe out Nathema. Ziost happened because of tons of bloodshed. Vitiate did *not* control everyone on Ziost either. He only controlled around the capital.
Vitiate's lightning never ashified people. Sidious ashified three dark side adepts at once and, as stated in the video, it also disintegrated people. Sidious' lightning was also incredibly accurate, as seen in the assassination attempt by the Imperials. Sidious could transfer the essence of others without rituals (See Bevel Lemelisk) Vitiate, by contrast, either needed something pre-determined like the Children of the Emperor or to hollow people out over time, like when he took over Valkorion. \
And who cares how long Vitiate was around? He doesn't have the feats, he was too focused on either prolonging his own life, or ruling over Zakuul. He didn't even really rule the Sith Empire so much as he let the Dark Council rule it for him.
So no, Vitiate/Valkorion is not more powerful than Sidious, nor would be win in a fight. If you want a more comprehensive and detailed explanation of feats and abilities, have this link: www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=790858
@Stark The Analyser I recall him dying a shit ton to lightsabers in the MMO.
Liam Smith you are wrong banes rule of 2 made the Sith grow stronger overtime and palpating is the pinnacle of the works of the rule of 2
Liam Smith the sixth grew stronger after Bane. There’s no way Valkorion’s lighting is stronger than Palpatine’s. Palpatine’s knowledge of the force is greater than Valkorion’. All of Valkorions greatest feats he did with rituals that involved many other Sith Lords, Sidious on the other didn’t need outside help. He to drained a planet of life & or summoned force storms by himself.
Dude, you need to add this to your Dark Side playlist :D
Good to see you here.
2:26 Best part.
I always love your work on Sidious or Valkorion, the two combine in the same video is just awesome!
Disney & Lucas's obsession with portraying the dark side as unapologetically evil without any sort of nuance sucks. It's something KOTOR finally gave us that we all deserve.
I can only imagine IanMcDarmid reacting to all of your Palpatine videos.
That "but not himself" and his laugh. Palpatine is JUST UNLIMITED POOOOOOWAAAAAAHHHH!!!! But I have mad respect for Valkorion or "Vitiate".
This was so well made I can’t stop rewatching this to hear the back and forthing
like all your work this is amazing. the feels are insane! thanks so much for taking the time to make this!
*“Talking is your greatest talent. It is time I taught you when to listen”* -Valkorion
*“Thy feeble skills are noting when compared to all the power of the dark side”* -Sidious
*"You have mastered the Dark Side of the Force... it is not enough. It never was..."*
*"MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!..."*
Oh, what I wouldn't give to see that duel take place. Love the end line. And kudos for using Ian McDiarmid's doing Shakespear. Bravo.
Never get tired of watching this! Helped me to refine my voiceover "villian" thanks for posting!
I like Valkorion more than Sidious. Valkorion was an enemy with both factions, he wasn't a Sith or Jedi.
I would pay disney $50 to watch a whole movie ab this
I like how you use both Valkorion and Vitiate lines, it would have been awseome had they used both voice actors in the expansions. Vitiate for when Valkorion is angry with you or revealing his true intentions and Valkorion's when he is trying to seduce you.
Perhaps when it comes to power Palpatine was arguably stronger. However when it comes to accomplishments, Palpatine is nothing before Valkorion. Valkorion created empires that lasted thousands of years and he was always on top of them. His rule brought peace and stability to his lands. Plus he was amazing mentor to the main character.
What did Palpatine create? An empire which lasted laughable 20 years. There is no comparison.
Emrys Myrdin That empire succeceded were Valkorion's failed it actually destroyed the Jedi order and only 5 jedi survived not to mention that both of his empires only lasted about 1,300 hundred years and there were still Jedi while Palpatine's empire wiped out most of the Jedi in not even a 1/10 of that time
Palpatine's Empire lasted about 50 years, though it did begin to break apart after 25 years following Palpatine's original death. Over the next 25 years, psychos like Isard and geniuses like Thrawn kept the Empire from fully disintegrating until Admiral Pellaeon finally convinced the Moff Council to make peace with the New Republic. The Empire and the New Republic were then both absorbed into the Galactic Alliance a few years later.
But the Empire destroyed the Jedi Order (though it slowly made its return three decades later, it would be at least a century until it would fully recover) and the Empire wiped out all remnants of the old Republic and the Old Republic, neither of which Valkorion managed to do. Because while the Sith Emperor, as Vitiate or Valkorion or Tenebrae, tried to attack the Republic, he always did it as an outside force. When Palpatine did it, he did it from the inside.
397 Llederson Valkorian’s aim was never the destruction of the Jedi Order, that was too linear for him he thought of that ancient quarrel to be petty and frivolous. Sidious was a Sith a dark side user only so naturally he seeks the destruction of the Jedi Order. Valkorian had bigger aims he wanted to destroy everything and ascend to greater power and move on to other galaxies and universes to do the same. Yes, Valkorian’s plan failed where Sidious’s succeeded but Valkorian’s goal was much higher goal there for much harder to achieve.
L0L L0L L7L And Valkorian said the Empire and it’s war with the Republic was simply a means to an end for his bigger plans therefore Sidious’s accomplishment over the Republic doesn’t really matter to Valkorian because defeating the Republic was never Valkorian’s plan any way.
Bo Banesz Yes but considering that Valkorion wasn't really showing any sign that he was at peak of immortality and he really did the mistake of underestimating the jedi
And now believe for a moment that Tenebry survived. And all the further history of the galaxy is a series of his experiments. Brotherhood of Darkness, Rule of Two, Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire, War with the Wongs ... And all this is just a game of the great Demiur God.
He do not ends...
He holds the patience of stone and the will of stars, after all.
*Shivers*
Jar Jar Binks is Valkorion's avatar.
I don't know who would win but the planet they fight on should be deemed "uninhabitable"
EU (Legends) Palpatine would win; they just make him so god like to fight Luke and the gang its unreal, although I think it would be close. Canon Palpatine would get wrecked by Valkorian.
Alzor That is still debatable as Palpatine did rag doll Maul and Dooku with little effort both of which are no jokes in tk
Well palpatine has never fought anyone on valkorions level maul and dooku are nothing compared to valkorion he'd kill them in a second
But what do we know about canon valkorion? Quite unfair to put canon Sidious againt EU valkorion.
Ancient SithLord No he couldn't Maul can give him a better fight than Arcann and wouldn't give him much time to use his force abilities the only reason he loses to Valkorion is because he is not as powerful as him and Dooku could and should beat Valkorion as he is immune to draining,won't get rag dolled,knows force lightning and is fast enough to blitz him so no they don't get beat by Valkorion in a second
Alzor Valkorian greatest merits is that he can outlive and has outlived most of his enemies.He can just wait for Sedous to croak as he has "patient of stone and the will o f the stars".
Never am I disappointed when I return to this channel. Never. Amazing work, keep it up!
All your vids give me chills, I love them.
Always Making The Best!! Love it.
Dont know if you will read this or not but i have officially watched this video 100 times.
Its absolutely insane !
This is perfect, great job combining the voice clips and all.
Man, it's been a over a year since I last watched this. It's even better than I remember!
Oh my. What a wonderful gift to start my vacation with. Thank you, Dudufilm.
Fantastic work! Valkorian, in my opinion, would have destroyed Palpatine!
Amazing job as always DuDu! Keep up the great work!
I love Valkorian. Favorite Sith of all time hands down. I do think he was probably the strongest force wielder to exist in the current Star Wars universe. He had to have an immense understanding of the force beyond any being to ever live. I'm sure, had he applied himself, he could have used force storm to the degree that Sidious did. But the ability is amazingly destructive and reckless and I'd be willing to bet Valkorian knew that.
that being said, he was a terrible lightsaber dualist. Sidious would own him in a blade duel. but since sidious thought it beneath him, he would probably just use the force, which I believe valkorian would dominate
problem with that is Lucas' take on it is no longer valid since disney is reworking things. Since everything about Valkorian remained but Sidious may be re-written in ways.
That's not necessarily true. Both Sidious and Valkorion exist within Legends, however only Sidious exists within Canon. Thus, Sidious retains his full list of EU feats against Valkorion, unless we want to go with Disney's Canon, in which Valkorion does not even exist, so Sidious no longer having his EU feats is not even relevant.
ah but its no longer Lucas's universe, disney owns that shit now and Valkorian is a much more dynamic and interesting person than Sidious ever was. a little lightning? pfft try draining the life of an entire planet into yourself.
not really lol
Not really a fan of fan made movies, but this one took the cake. I was thoroughly surprised from this video. Great Job.
Intense, great compilation and usage of audio material to make a truly outstanding video. A like from me, a great portrayal of both.
Truly, if these two were to ever meet and fight, there would be nothing left of the Galaxy for the victor to rule over.
Sidious's mortal but raw unmatched power, or Vitiate's limited but all-enduring near-immortal strength.
Good work as always DuduFilm
i mean this would mean Vitiate won .... his plan was to devour the galaxy .... palpetine wanted to rule it
There's always them cheeks. Loser gives up them cheeks.
"Slow Clap" Dudu, this was utterly brilliant! Keep up the amazing work!
If I didn't recognise the quotes, I'd think this is a legit dialogue from a game or something. Sounds really like it. The choice and sequence is of quotes is brilliant. One of your best vids well done dudu.
"You have mastered the Dark Side of the Force, it is not enough, it never was."
Ryan Tenebrae was defeated by another being of similar levels of power to him plus his family, Sidious was defeated by an old fallen and disabled Jedi Knight and his son, Tenebrae did Sidious's game three times.
Sidious was beaten by 2 1st generation skywalkers working together and kept from escaping hell by every jedi that had lived before. Sidious are clearly superior and i can easily put quotes to prove it but there aren't any reason to do it
"You masterd the Darkside of the Force... Its not enough.. It never was." Sorry Palps you lose right there buddy.
@Ryan Nah he never mastered the Jedi Arts. Only the dark side. Until the new movie came out Sidious is nothing to Valkrion. Hes 10x older and therefore has 10 times the knowledge. No matter what anyone's opinion's are in here. You have to be really dumb to not understand the importance of one guy living 1400 years longer than the other. Until Sidoius has been around for 16 centuries he has nothing on Vitiate/Valkrion. I mean its clearly obvious how Op Vitiate was made to be. He was designed to be more powerful than Sidious in eveyway. You fan boys are just to blind to see it and too stubborn to admit it. This has always been the case until now that they made Sidious more powerful in cannon. I could go into a million reasons why the new movies are dumb. But Its cannon. So now you guys actually have an argument of sidious being more powerful. But to say this before the new movie came out was borderline retarded. Dark empire is not cannon, not legends, its not anything.
@Ryan Its not legends, its not anything. it doesn't exist. There is a true time line to erase these feats. The old republic has not been replaced by anything and until it is, its the only example to be used. You cant say If Dark empire isn't legend than nether is Old republic. There is a cannon Sidious. There is no cannon Vitiate. The time line is null and void. Even Disney acknowledges some of the old republic lure. Dark Empire doesn't exist as we now have a the REAL future story. So stop backtracking on a fantasy OP version of sidious that never has and never will exist.
@Ryan But he does. There is no time line to replace what was told about Vitiate. Dark Empire has been replaced with a real time line. There is only one version of Emperor Vitiate. There are 2 different versions Sidious. There is no cannon to replace the old republic Old Republic. In fact much of the newer cannon supports things from the Old republic era. There is nothing in Cannon that supports Dark Empire other than some stuff in the latest movie. I also was comparing the two before this. Now they are some what comparable and I still give it to Vitiate. After all one of his titles is the "Immortal emperor". He has out lived every Sith and Jedi in history. Sidious couldn't hardly break 100 years. This means that Vitiate is 15x wiser than Sidious, being that he has lived 15 times as long. He has 15x the knowledge of the force. Why is Yoda one of the most powerful? Because hes older and wiser. The logic here is pretty simple. You saying Sidious is more powerful is like saying a 8 year old can beat Michael Jordan in game of basket ball. No chance man. Vitiate wins on his knowledge and wisdom alone.
"Talking is your greatest talent, it is time I taught you when to listen" oooh destroyed lol gg
Well done! Great work as always.
Man this is the coolest edit...thanks for the post👍👍👍
My thoughts:
Palpatine: master of the dark side
Vitiate: master of the force itself
Possibly
@Ryan My Guy, Valkorion was Immortal drained planets for his own pleasure cheated death multiple times transferred into different bodies and ruled 2 empires in the course of 1,500 years palpatine only ruled the Galactic Empire for 20 years.
@@victus7597 Sidious has drained Byss, which is far larger than Ziost. He did this casually, without a ritual, across the galaxy, while lifting a 15km long ship. He also has transferred his essence into clone bodies in Dark Empire. Sidious also took over his empire in an era with far more powerful Jedi than of TOR. Yoda could solo and crush Valkorion.
@@pnss3569 Proof? Sidious scales below darth Malak
@@DarthMarr2009 The draining of Byss is Dark Empire and a few other sources in comics that I can't remember off the top of my head, and PN forgot to mention ontop of the lifting a 15km long ship he was also battle meditating the ENTIRE Galactic Military for decades. Its the other way around ironically, Sidious raw power and skill puts everything Tenebrae has done with the force to shame. People just like to compare the two feats together when Sidious feats are far more showing and impressive, but due to the fact they are vaguely similar feats people like to say they are the same.
I would pay so much just to see them actually interact for at least 10 minutes.
This was EPIC, well done! :)
Pls make more videos
I know I already commented but I keep watching this awesomeness over and over again.
Me too
THIS is why I subscribed to you, My God
I must tell, your videos are awesome, simply epic, keep doing this awesome job :D
WOw just wow great video. Waiting for gray jedi vid. Keep creating this fantastic content:)
You always use perfect music man!
Valkorion is such a sith chad that autocorrect already knows his name. I’m not kidding, I tried to look up valkorion and the autocorrect immediately gave me the correct spelling.
"Talking is your greatest talent. It is time so I taught you when to listen."
Gosh, that was badass
This felt slightly different than your previous works, but it still didn’t disappoint in my book!
Vitiate would wipe the floor with Sideous.
“It is not enough... it never was”
Zeref
You know what that is called?
Gameplay and story segregation.
@Zeref keep learning them that Sidious i a clear superior
really well done. I started getting real pumped up and almost headbutt my friend
I just noticed that you changed the title. I love it!
I do agree that Tenebrae is strong but EU palps is like... damn. EU Palpatine was able to force storm multiple fleets and remember, these are not Kotor ships, these ships are bigger. EU Palpatine also could transfer his essence to clones of himself without taking the risk of the original host fighting back. EU Palpatine also summoned a force storm which DESTROYED the entire eclipse class super star destroyer. I do agree Tenebrae is stronger in the force, but we all have to admit EU Palpatine would put up a good fight, and if he gets in close combat I think Tenebrae is done for since he was never that good with a saber. Also from what I heard is that George Lucas stated that Palpatine was the strongest sith lord in all of star wars history. I could be wrong since I lost the source but I swear he said that in an article.
I don’t think Lucas knows much about the ancient Sith Lords. Plus, I don’t think Tenebrae can even be classified as a Sith. He is beyond that.
@@WonkelDee Yeah, but I don't think he is a wound in the force like nihilius
@@ivanthehighman177 I would classify him as a force entity. A wound in the force only applies to a select few
@@WonkelDee Indeed.
@@WonkelDee Force Entity also applies to very few beings. Four come to mind: The Father, The Daughter, The Son, and Abeloth.
Do you really think Tenebrae is on that level when even Luke Skywalker, the greatest force user of all time, isn't?