Blackmagic Raw vs Red Raw
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2021
- With the release of Red’s new semi-affordable camera the Red Komodo, a few people have been asking if there is a massive difference between the two raw codecs? Well in this video we break down the two codecs in DaVinci Resolve using the Dell Precision 5750 to playback multiple raw 6k streams to show you what’s the difference.
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Appreciate the info, however, it has been confirmed that BRAW works in Avid Media Composer, DaVinci, and Adobe apps, not just Premier. Just to give you a heads up on giving folks the correct info. Cheers,
So on every NLE except 1?
I'm a BRAW guy. The file sizes are manageable, it works fine on my machine with no proxies, and with Resolve Color Management I don't need to do any conversions from RAW before I make any creative adjustments.
I'm sure I'd love Red Raw as well, but I've not had any experience with it besides downloading some files from Red to test. I'd be curious to see how big the files were for each camera when shooting the same scene with similar quality and resolution settings.
R3D is 30% smaller than ProRes
Love seeing this comparison! It's amazing what Blackmagic is doing for the price point.
Thank you guys! I recently shouted you guys out in a video. I love yalls channel keep up the great work!
Though the Komodo may have more overall dynamic range, I feel like the Pocket 6k has more highlight sensitivity. In this video, you did proper exposing, which is fine. With Red cameras, you don't want to overexpose at all since you won't get the highlights back. So you're exposing properly with this test was the optimal way. In post, redcode is very robust and you can't damage the footage even if changing the ISO. With the Pocket 6k, I find a different tactic works better. For high dynamic range scenes with harsh highlights, I prefer to capture at ISO 800. Then in post, I lower my ISO to 100 or 200, lower my exposure and then click "highlight recovery". Doing this method really does bring an insane amount of highlights back, to the point that it's shocking. I would never use this method with Komodo. Different tools require different methods
Thank the lord for super short intro video!! I hate watching those 20 second vid intros on every video!! Lolol
Mike Mena agreed
Great video! Thank you!
Thank you for this!!!!!!
Thanks for this video. Sticking with BMPCC4K and BMPCC6K
Thanks for the video, how do you feel about the BMPCC6K verse the Canon image quality in the R6?
Loved the video B! I have never used raw even though I have both the Komodo and the 6k pro... maybe one of these days I'll dive into RAW editing and workflow more.
Genial, enhorabuena lo has explicado genial . Muchas gracias
My only real raw experience has been with my pocket 4K and it’s has helped with DR and preserving more detail, as well as saving myself in post when I need to tweak white balance and secondaries. I love the flexibility and the extra range I have with this codec. R3D raw I’ve had minimal experience but I know that I love how it works overall and the results you can get. I agree with you Brandon 100% when it comes to “do I need raw?” I don’t need it but I love and want to use this to aid me in post and allow me to have the flexibility when going into detail with tweaking my images.
Appreciate the vid! Nobody can tell the difference unless you’re doing side by sides and your pixel peeping. That’s just a fact. I get it RUclips is about commercialization but if you can tell a story either of these cameras will be a proper tool that will give you beautiful results. All the highlight and shadow talk is overrated and really only pertains to doc shooters who are out in the elements and need to be ready to salvage shots in fast moving conditions... Get a Sony FX6 or A7Siii for that... Honestly NEITHER of these cameras is a run and gun documentary camera - The Komodo is technically a crash cam so yes it does help there but they are both “cinema cameras” that MOST of the time will be used under controlled situations... Even the Red which if used as a crash cam in Hollywood or for Indie shooters will be used under controlled Situations... IDK 🤷🏻♂️ that’s how I see it... Keep up the good work! Been a fan for several years now!
Another great video
I was actually making the same video trying to explain people the difference between The type or Raws and their differences, great video bro
Well explained 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Is there still a lot of grain / noise in proress for the Komodo? Love your videos btw!
Hi, Brandon. Very good video. I can see you are using Rokinon Xeen cine lenses. Can you tell us your opinion about these lenses? Thanks, man. Keep working good!
Great video
Geat comparison, nice illustration of the R3D Raw differences. When you think about shooting BM/RED vs shooting on DSLRs, either camera is light years ahead and into the filmmaking stratosfere. I can get more work done at the BMP4k price points; owning 2 cameras instead of one and having money left over for accessories, and to take out my lady!
Thanks for the video, i was actually wondering about this. Being a FCPX user my choice will be between spending more on the camera or learn DaVinci i guess...
I just switched to BMPCC. I’ve been a fcpx user for years. After a few weeks of learning resolve. I really like it. I saw give it a shot
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Great info! Thank you! I totally agree about ProRes for most commercial work. I have no interest in doing commercial work anymore. Going forward shooting my own stock cine 24/60fps for sale or my own passion projects I’m willing to spend the time on RAW. For me it’s fairly easy. Having printed BW and Color from negative even slide (Kodak Chrome and later Ilfa Chrome positive printing in enlargers... loved it but most people couldn’t do it.. bright lively colors but slides had limited dynamic range). I’m rigging up my new/previously owned BMPCC4K. How do you like working with the the BM battery pack still vs dropping in another $15 canon knock off battery every 15 minutes? Regardless I’ll be working on my own scripted projects and use of extensive green screen and matt paintings.. so again I’ll shoot BRaw or if I had Nikon Z6II or Red Komodo (dream) or Arri etc... but keeping it real. Black Magic gets me to the ball game and learning Davinci Resolve isn’t too terrible to learn coming from FCPX. But to recap, commercial projects? Yes definitely shoot prores 99% of the time.. Commercial work doesn’t pay as much as it used to for most of us, (every college student who has a DSLR says he can shoot it for free or $100 so why talk to me for $50 an hour). So another thought for making your own videos. Shoot Raw and make that your demo reel, learn the camera more... and when shooting raw.. switch to ProRes and shoot identical shot. Grade both take a look. It train me how to see what the camera system can do for my own work that takes longer time and commercial (that I try not to do) where you watch your hourly drop with extra time spent. Balancing time/quality. :).
Love the video. You rock. I want to get into cinema cameras. I’ve watched a bunch of your videos. Assuming budget isn’t an issue and you had to start today, would you go with Komodo or BMPCC 6K?
If budget is no issue I’m going Komodo
@@bwashmedia Thanks, man. Ironically, I’m watching another of your Komodo videos as we speak. Keep up the great work.
Dual ISO is in my opinion a Pocket 4k/6k specific thing, I don't think it should be a noticed in a comparison between two codecs.
RED Gemini has Dual Native Base ISO as well. I am not sure whether that camera has the same ISO range restrictions
Did you compare the flatness of color with Blackmagic's Gen 5?
BWash rockin the ProMist filter this video?
Do you have a hard time matching the Komodo and the BMPCC6K in post?
Hmmmm....well, I want to edit non-propietary frames...any idea which top dig cinema camera will do that?
Do what you love
Are you still using your pocket 4K or did you change your mind and decide that the 6k was better. I only ask because I saw your P4K vs P6k video and it seemed like you liked the P4K more.
Is RED Komodo do the same crop in ProRes like it do in RAW when you choose lower resolution? I Can't find this information :(
Blackmagic RAW files work in DaVinci Resolve, Premiere Pro, and Media Composer without needing to create proxy files and no quality loss.
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0:24 *sad prores raw noises*
the 16 stops of dynamic range of any Red camera is to be honest misleading, the only ture 14.5 stops dynamic range with a non duel gain snesor is ARRI in the entire industry. However, BMPCC 6k is able to recover insanly amount of over exposed highlight in post with the black magic raw way of process, not the R3D way of process. In R3D, if you over exposed highlight, then you over, but in bm raw, you can lower your iso (suppose if you recoring higher than its lowest iso) then bring them back like in real world shooting with lower iso. If you shooting with r3d at any iso, the overexposed part will not be able to be recovered even if you lower the iso to 50 in post. R3D raw is not a real "raw" if I 'd say honestly. You said in your video, people don't really need raw, and I agreed, it is a fact, but most videographer just didn't realize it since they are not professional software/hardware enginner. They thought they are able to adjust their clips freely all because of how great the red raw is, and ignored that they can do very similar thing with pro res( including many pros). If you properly expose your clip, then you can almost adjuets it at the same level with either r3d or proress, but if you ruined your exposure, you will need a real raw to recover it. And R3D can't do it.
Does the Mac mini m1 handles black magic raw?
should be no problem, my pc is 6 years old, no pressure with bmpcc 6k 5:1 braw
@@hellozzh Thanks
I am so nervous to watch this video. OMG, all the cameras and a cinema lens are placed beside the edges😂😂😂
Edius can edit braw. Not just Davinci and adobe
I think the braw with gen 5 color science is more flat than RED raw.
So this dude just calledd the Pocket's dual native ISO a limitation?
The limitations is how far you can adjust ISO in post.
Ok
braw has controls in pp
As someone who owns and uses both forms of RAW I agree, RED RAW is clearly the best form of raw out there. It's so good in fact, that my workflow with it is actually faster than what baked in, non RAW profiles give me.
whats make it better other than it being red?
@@AllThingsKen I don't have a BMPCC 6k but from what users are saying on the FB group the rolling shutter is pretty bad unless you go down to 5.7k. As I'm sure you know the Komodo is global shutter.
@@monstroinla8833 they are over exaggerating a little bit.
@@AllThingsKen let me know bro I’m actually looking into buying a bmpcc 6k as a bcam for my Komodo they both use ef lenses so it’s a win win but I want to make sure they match up.
@@monstroinla8833 If you are doing shoots where you are waving the camera around like crazy then ok. That rolling shutter test is kind of pointless. Are you planning on shooting sports? Some of the specs people make themselves want even if they don't need them. Braw vs R3d is ridiculous. They both have different compression ratios and both have great latitude. I hate when people say r3d is great and have more latitude -_- . No test that prove this...
This video didn't really explore the technical differences between the two codecs. He talks about iso behaviour then dynamic range then spends the last third of the video talking about ProRes which isn't the topic at hand. If you're explaining the difference between two raw codecs then whether or not it's personally necessary to shoot raw seems irrelevant. Both the iso behaviour he mentioned and the dynamic range are camera specific aspects and don't really say anything about the codecs. This video was more of an incomplete comparison of the Komodo and Pocket than anything else followed by some words about ProRes that we've already heard elsewhere.
before hitting play on this there's really only one answer because only R3D is true raw lol. BRAW just applies digital gain to iso adjustments etc.
r3d is compressed raw just like braw. No such thing as real raw. The iso issue he speaks of in the video is not even a con. ITs dual native ISO...id rather have that.
There is no true RAW but Cinema DNG would be the closest.
@@robertm3951 Cinema DMG f****** sucks and definitely not usable
You don't need to watch the video