WILL IT START....1939 EXCELSIOR VILLIERS 9D ATTEMPTING TO FIRE IT UP AFTER REBUILD
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- MR TWEED HAS BEEN BUYING TOOLS AGAIN SO SHARES THAT WITH YOU ALONG WITH THE FINAL SETTING UP OF IGNITION AND CARBURETTOR ON THE EXCELSIOR UNIVERSAL BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO SEE IF IT WILL RUN AND IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH THERE'S AN EPISODE OF ' FAMILY HEIRLOOMS ' WITH YOUR FAVOURITE HOST IVER BEANPAIDALOT...ENJOY
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I am very pleased to find your channel Mr Tweed. You often apologise for the machining in your content, however, in my opinion it is the difference that makes your content real. Keep it up, I will watch everything you produce. Top work >
Very pleased you found the garage Nigel, welcome and it's good to know you enjoy the machining.
Great video mr tweed lovely to hear the old Villiers engine burst into life love ambition of 2 stroke
Thanks Martin
Very entertaining! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for tuning in Rick
Mr tweed what a dapper bow tie and jacket ,new member here getting back into steam engines.
Thank you Sir and welcome aboard 👍
good show, best episode. thanks.
Thank you Naz
It lives!!! Great to hear the results of your labour Allan, the factory clear out was a really good haul, most of the parts remaining after a close down go straight to the scrap man unfortunately, I have seen many good machines scrapped merely because they were old and 3 Ph, but the materials are an absolute treasure trove, most materials that can be bought on ebay are extortionately expensive in small quantities, or we have to buy huge amounts, so to buy offcuts like you have here is more than enough for most of the jobs we do, the dividing head was a good buy, I am glad you found the second set of holes on the back of the plate! Your wheel adjusters can be made by incorporating the washer onto the end of the threaded adjuster stud, then it will not be able to vibrate off in service, similar the the one you have, but working off the lug that is part of the fork end, I am sure that is what it should have had originally. Chris B.
Hi Chris, it's only chance that i found the extra holes as i decided to clean the indexable head up, i have found a reasonably priced chuck on eBay that'll suit it so it will be up and running soon and it doesn't bare thinking about the amount of machines and tooling that ended up under the scrap man's torch over the years .
@@TweedsGarage I think the answer is to have a 3 ton trailer and snap all these goodies up, if you have a barn and hoist you can store things up for later, these things are unloved now, but in years to come they will be much sought after, when working at a college as workshops closed the whole lot including CNC equipment and surface grinders etc would sell for £2000 for the whole lot, it was to my advantage sometimes! Chris B.
Thank you for another episode on the Excelsior. Lovely sound, pity about that faint squeak when she stopped.!!! Happy days if you get her ready for an Easter run.
Faint squeak!!......that was manly whoops of celebration you cheeky blighter Mr B 😄
Great work Sir... Delighted to see the engine running.
Much love from India
Thank you Gurmehar 😊
I enjoyed watching that rather pleasant and varied display.
Good to know that there are others who get excited by odd bits of greasy tooling, tins with flaking paint filled with goodies, raw materials and indexing things😊
I'm surprised there's not more people like us Barney ........what is wrong with people 😉
Great stuff Allan, over the moon it started ok, remember the sound of a Villiers very well...
Hopefully get to experience the arm wrenching power of it soon Allen 😉
What a satisfying noise that was! Bravo on the restoration, so many things to deal with, but all coped with 'knowledgeably', and skilfully! Impressed!
Thanks Gordon, it is a nice sound isn't it.
Once again you prove that steam oil and humor are a good mix!
thanks for joining in Randy
Nice haul of used tools. It’s actually not frivolous to acquire these, as you’re really performing a valuable service by preventing good tools and equipment going to scrap. 👍
Top marks on the successful engine test, and you’re channel is growing nicely. Very well done.
That's excellent approval Stuart as I've bought some old hand tools at a bike autojumble today .......so if Mrs Tweed kicks off i can say " Stuart approved this purchase " 😁
Brilliant, I was waiting for the can of Easystart to come out.
How very dare you 😆
Loved it!! Those new bolts were jolly spiffing and great to hear the motor run at the end - looking forward to the Riley episode 🙂
Glad you did and the Riley video isn't far off
Real Kasenit!! Gold dust!
that's why I grabbed it Rob :-)
The jig borer that you mentioned that Cutting Edge Engineering in Australia purchased used to be at the old NSW State Rail Maintenance Facility located at Cardiff NSW Australia. I worked there after it was taken over by EDI Rail from 2001 to 2012 and again in 2018/19. That jig borer was in the old apprentice training area within the main workshop in an airconditioned room. I think when the guy who owns Cutting Edge Eng bought it, it went with a fair amount of tooling and attachments. Unfortunately, a lot of tooling for the machine was thrown out along with a considerable amount of toolroom equipment ie master thread gauges, surface plates, straight edges, master squares and large inside and outside micometer set up equipment. It was criminal the amount of test equipment and tooling that was scrapped. Nobody knew what the equipment was or what it was used for, so it went to scrap metal.
There was also wheel turning machines (some or which went to the Heritage Centre in Sydney, I think). There was a large dual chuck wheel turning lathe that had been there since the steam engine days, there were photographs in the office showing steam locomotive drive wheel sets being machined. The last I saw of that it was out the back of the yard in pieces in the weather for quite some time then it disappeared. Scrapped no doubt.
There was also a foundry at one end of the facility where they made dog spikes, fish plates etc all sorts of stuff and two 38 class boilers set up to provide steam for cleaning etc, as far as I'm aware the old steam pipes are still in place.
Thanks for that Mick that's a great bit of info and yes it is criminal the amount of equipment that has been melted down, its quality and precision will never be matched today. Luckily Cutting Edge Engineering managed to source a load of tooling for the SIP jig borer, a lot were as new condition in there original drawer units, definitely things of beauty and worth a watch.
Thanks
Mr T
Of course it fired up. Anybody who thought otherwise is not so much sceptic as septic. Thoroughly enjoyable. Erudite, entertaining, educational and hilarious. Well done that man. 👍
Thank you for your kind words Bill.
The steel balls between the clutch pushrods prevent it binding. The pushrod ends are hardened to accept the balls.
Hi Rob, these early Villiers engines just had three hardened ground end push rods, the mushroom one that pushes the clutch, a long central one and a short one that rests under the clutch arm which has a hardened ball end adjuster, someone had fitted steel balls to get the incorrect pressure plate to work.
That's the greatest funny intro, Made me laugh mate
Nice!
Thanks Fancis
Joy it's alive. Bit of a jump from the Kawasaki.
You really are getting the hang of this YT medium Mr T,
Ehummer
Thanks for this enjoyed it. That jacket is a real winner.
Thanks Russell, yes good style never goes out of fashion 😁
Nice one Mr Tweed, the smell of two stroke mix. Off to the Ace Cafe next to join all the other ton-up boys next I expect.
Some nice finds, gawd knows what stuff like that would cost today, that is if you can even find it.
Your finds are sad in a way that a place closing has thrown up those gems. Must stop pontificating, I'll just enjoy the videos of the stuff being used in your workshop.
I'm thinking time has come for you to bring up the subject of a bigger workshop to Mrs Tweed, I'm sure she'll be all for it.
Now one criticism, I really don't like Mr Iver Beanpaidalot , as my mum would say ''watch him, he looks real shifty".
Enjoyable video and hope you're not teasing us and we'll get some Riley action soon.
Hi Colin,
Yes it is sad and all that knowledge that has been lost on using all the machines and tools, modern thinking is that CNC is the answer to everything but sometimes for that one off job, awkward casting etc a man with the knowledge and manual machines can sometimes work the impossible.
Bigger workshop has been discussed but the thought of having to move all my stuff is a little off putting......... and your Mum's right about Iver Beanpaidalot as not only did i pay him, he also made off with all my pens .......the scoundrel.
Just getting popcorn and coke for the main event. Hopefully use the toilet before it starts.
wise precaution Brian
Good to see the bike running, the dividing head is a great addition , very handy if you need to made a half shaft for the Riley as I had to !
Good point Mike, mine being a 5 stud as well probably makes finding second hand ones impossible, what steel did you use when you made yours?
@@TweedsGarage I used 4340 HT that was over 20 yrs and about 25000 mls ago.
Can’t wait Mr Tweed, happy days
Make sure you're stocked up with tea bags
I wish I was your daughter. 😂The little engine runs really smooth
Thanks......and you do look fetching in that dress 😁
@@TweedsGarage I guess I deserved that. 🤣🤣🍻
Wonderful sir! Very much enjoyed the bits and bobs. If you don't mind me saying you seemed to get more done without Jenkins in the way. Perhaps he was having tea with his great aunt.
Inspired by your endeavours, I managed to start my 1948 Morris 10 M which hasn't seen daylight for 50yrs. Till next time...
Ah well done on the Morris, i bet that was a good moment 👍and yes Jenkins has been packed off to Great Aunt Hyacinth who takes no nonsense and keeps him in check
Good work Mr Tweed, the “special “ spanner is known as a flogging spanner.
Thanks Clive, I'll stick that nugget of info in the old noggin 👍
I've got one of those spanners kicking around, I hadn't realised it was for the Villiers engines, I don't think it says "Villiers" on it anywhere, unless it's just a general Black Country precision instrument.
Looks like the alternator low voltage coils were rewound? Why the hell didn't Villiers key the self extracting flywheel. Gave me grief back in the '60's. Note, the points brass cover is missing.
The Mag spanner was called a slogging spanner. You hit it with a copper or lead mallet to lock the flywheel on its taper solidly.
Yes the last owner " had a go " at rewinding them ( not the neatest job but they do work ). It wasn't just Villiers, Wipac and Lucas didn't have key ways on flywheels and some magnetos as it allowed for timing adjustments to compensate for wear on the points/ cam lobe, points wear and machining differences. You can still get the slogging spanners but I´ll stick to the modern tech of my 18 volt Makita impact gun, it'll nip up the nut before the crank and flywheel have know what's going on.
My dear friend, you do realize you were making parts with much higher precision and care than the original manufacturer. The timing mark alone looked as if someone scratched it with a screwdriver with fingers crossed. These machines were definitely built down to a price and made affordable for
a working man to get to his place of work and back home again hopefully, with his own fingers crossed!
Thanks Colin, well it's survived 84 years without being thrown in a skip so it deserves a little pampering 🙂
That Bike was introduced to the showroom floor when I was two years old! I researched the Excelsior company's history. They had a successful record winning TT races with their own four valve engine designs throughout the 20s and 30s.
The nut wasn't touching the back of the shaft. Well, that won't do will it?😁
Oh behave 😄
@@TweedsGarage Great reply Mr Tweed, made my laugh out loud. Oh all right then, if I must😢
Villiers usually used Albion gearboxes
Use a knife blade to avoid wearing off the locking stub on the screw to spring faces.
Is the pressure pate pulling off square?
no, it doesn't matter which springs are where ( even with new ones fitted ) it always pull off at a slight tilt.
Oh no Dad! Not another piece of sh**
Oh yes.....
That Kasenit is quality stuff, you know it's good because they banned it a while ago, 😂😂 something to do with fumes 🙄 elf and safety and all that
everything in moderation......and crack the window open a bit
Nice haul you picked up there, not sure what make universal dividing head that it, looks similar to a Hoffmann, possibly a clone?
Hi Jason, it's a Spanish built Meca unit ( probably a Hoffman under license)
Is there any output data on this Villiers engine to compare with the Bantam, just interested in how the output has changed over the years. The 125 Bantam was 3Kw so I am assuming this may be 2Kw or so, I noticed it only had 40mph on the speedo whereas the 125 Bantam supposedly could reach 45mph. Look forward to hopefully seeing them ridden? Some great videos thanks!
In old money the D10/B175 power output was rated 12.6 BHP and the Villiers 9D was rated at a neck snapping 3.15 BHP and yes they will be ridden at some time, thanks for tuning in 👍
@@TweedsGarage Thanks that helps to fill in a few boxes for me. I have a modern 50cc scooter with an output rated of 2.6Kw which is about 3.5 bhp and a 125 with an output of 10.7bhp. which is similar to the slightly earlier version of the 175 Bantam. Great videos very informative!
Great video. I have an old Villiers 9D in an Australian built bike, very similar to yours. I wanted to ask, is there a way to get these bikes to idle a little longer? If I don’t stay on the throttle it shuts off within a few seconds. A video on fine tuning these engines would be excellent! Cheers
Thanks Chris, if it's fitted with the Villiers carburettor is has no idle adjustment its just set by adjusting the throttle cable at the top of the carburettor and they were just fitted with a hand lever throttle rather than a twist grip so could be set and left at a suitable idle. I've fitted modern crank seals which will make starting and running a lot better which is covered in the video link below. I've got to repair the exhausts and once this is done i'll be setting it up and riding it which will be in a video soon. ruclips.net/video/fVPUxKVgVHE/видео.html
Put a little Delorto carb on it from a moped. You can get the jets and it has a throttle stop.Villiers carbs are horrid.
You're playing with danger here Mr Tweed with your RUclips shenanigans. Next you'll be thanking your patreons and before you know it you'll be restoring your first Ferrari or McLaren. Or at least paying someone to while you film it and try to look involved!
I'll still watch though.
Oh i think a Bugatti type 35 of Alfa Romeo 8c at the very least Simon 😁
A very warm good evening sir.
I'm following your videos and they're really helping me a lot while working on my Villers 125 engine.
May I know any other platform where we can connect and chat? Like Instagram or something else?
Good Evening Gurmeher, if you go to the " about " tab on my channel page there is an email link where you can connect with me.