Jaguar I-Pace range test after H280 update
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2020
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I think for a first gen anything it's very impressive what Jaguar has done. I think sometimes we forget that. It's really a super comfortable and premium built machine.
The perfect tire sidewall dimension!
65 profiles for the win. Especially in the UK with our shiiiiiett roads.
10:30 and its bright outside wow. Nothern European countries have such a massive fluctuation of daylight from summer to winter. Either all daylight or no daylight!
5:30 am to 22:00 pm in Ireland at moment
I could never live anywhere were it is not like this. I crave the variations.
@@VirtuellJo I guess that you would like to live north of the Arctic Circle, in Narvik, Norway, instead of living at the equator, such as in Quito, Ecuador?
Around 6am to 8pm in Hampshire
My english subtitles said: Im here with the Jaguar I Piss again. Lmao
I love your work ⚡🔌
Nice Video and a lovely car! Well done Björn👍🏼👍🏼
Waited for this for a while now.
A friend of mine has a Jaguar i-Pace and with lockdown is only just starting to get some driving in. He’s planned a drive to Cornwall from near Whitby in North East England. Quite a trip.
Verkar vara den bästa elbilen där ute.
Vad man skulle kunna ha råd med. Begagnad. Mkt prisvärd.
Jag kommer köpa en snart. 💪
After H-280 update on my I-Pace I had the exactly same experience where it died from 5% to 1%. Flatbed to dealership for charging. I thought also a bad cell but JLR dealer insisting nothing wrong.
Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.
I notice a range drop off when I stop if I have been in eco mode, but have not seen the % drop off. The stats at the end do show a slight range increase, both above the EPA range.
I like the balloon 18" tires, i want them for Model Y! Not only for comfort, with the 18" aeros the range should increase a little bit.
Excellent, thanks
Mycket bra och utförligt.
Du som har provkört massor med elbilar vilken rekommenderar du som går långt, bekväm och till hyffsat pris ?
Tack på förhand
Hi Bjorn,
Nice video as usual.
Would like to update you on my personal results.
I live in the Netherlands and have been owned an I-Pace for the last six month and during the winter, my typical range was 350-370 km.
Now, May 2020, my average consumption has dropped to just above 18 kWh/100 km, measured over all my trips.
Current range indication is 454 km on a 100% charge. So driving style and circumstances have a lot to do with how far you can get.
Please also note that with current weather conditions, around 14-20 degrees Celsius and dry weather, I no longer pre-condition the car before leaving as there seems to be little benefits to do so.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Hi Ronald,
Presumably the software updates, specifically the H264 updates which gave up to 8% more range, has something to do with it as well.
And I am probably also better adjusted to driving the I-Pace more efficiently now than when I just bought it. My Regen values have gone up considerably as well and that of course also helps.
But especially the temperatures make a big difference. Especially if you are using the heater a lot in winter which of course consume quite a bit of energy.
That said, the range of the I-Pace even in winter has never been an issue for me. I drive about 750-800 km/week (which is a lot more than the average person does) and even with the 1-phase charging on the standard 11 Kw public charging point, I have so far never felt the need to use a fast charger. That I only did on long trips to Germany.
Am at 17000 km now and am extremely happy with the car. Even though I still have a Honda sportscar, for normal driving I don't think I will go back to an ICE-car ever.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Nice pun. So are you saying that an ICE doesn't lose range in the winter? My experience is the opposite, my Subaru Forester consumes 4.5 litres/100km more in the winter, 14L/100kms compared to 9.5L/100kms in the summer. That is a 32% drop in range, a real show stopper for me. My Model 3 has roughly the same loss of range based on increased consumption during the cold winter months but, with all the benefits.
I wake up to a preheated car, without impacting on the battery capacity, since its plugged in at night. I don't have to scrape the windows except in extreme cases like ice storms. Where I live the power source is very clean and reasonably inexpensive.
I don't drive my Subaru in the winter anymore, it only gets used very occasionally to haul bulky items that don't fit in the Tesla, which is a very rare occurrence.
@@paulspiers5466 The air is denser in winter. It makes a difference.
earthstick Yes, I know that, my point is that both ICE and BEVs lose range in the winter. I own a Tesla Model 3 and have driven it through two Canadian winters. I am also a commercial pilot and I am very familiar with how temperature affects air density.
@@paulspiers5466 My volvo changes 0,5l/100km between winter and summer, that is normal. 4,5l/100k is insane.
The reason WattCat was showing outdated data is because the communication between the InControl service and the vehicle is not real time. You're not communicating directly with the vehicle but rather Jaguars web service that occasionally polls your vehicle for updated data.
Which you would of course know....Mr WattCat 😝😇
Until you mentioned it, I didn't think the wheels look weird at all.
But I think 21" rims look stupid.
22's
I like the 18" rims, don't like those low profiles
@@KyleHubb even worse!
Same here, I cant stand these 21-22" rims on sports cars nowadays, looks retarded and you hit a pothole, there goes the tyre
They still look ok.
what could be happening is that while the update freed up more battery, the amount that it had before 82kwh or 81kwh is hardcoded into the car. so when it reaches the part where it would start using the extra battery freed up it doesnt actually read it.
Just came from school and the first thing I did was to watch your video 😄
What an interesting number plate, almost makes me dizzy 😁
7:50 love classic Bjørn cursing
If you had to choose between the Jaguar I Pace and Hyundai Ioniq EV, which would you choose providing cost of the vehicle is not a factor?
I love how direct you are in your videos, "this guys doesn't give a shit that his car looks weird" haha
But how do we know it will not go to 2 % when it hits 5,0% (or 4,9%) again?
Maybe it was not an calibration error, maybe you drove it down to 5,0% and it jumped to 2 %.
The person in the retest coul'd have only drove it to 5,4% and charged.
I had to get a tow after I was stranded in my Bolt EV, with a similar incident last December. I've come to the conclusion that I went too long without a full charge to balance the pack (~5,000 miles/8,000km) and that a not unsubstantial change in outside temperature, were the likely culprits. Regardless, it's bad sheeeet. I now think going below 20 miles/30km of range is playing with fire in an EV, and I REALLY try to avoid it.
Not with a Tesla. Sandy Munro said the Tesla's battery management system is best in class, by a wide margin. Keeps battery voltage more or less perfectly balanced so the display of available range is more or less spot on.
@@topgunm Dude... Tesla makes an awesome EV, but they're still susceptible to the battery problems. I added some links (the author of THIS video included), that document the problem occurring in Teslas.
Superb car
Nice video, nice car but too expensive :C
Just a side info/ it’s built in Austria
1:39 that numberplate number!
Hahhaha
The floor mats look dope, care to make a video on them?
I have the same mats. Here is a similar link. www.ebay.com/itm/124109073643
do a new audi e tron 50 range test please bjørn :)
H280 is a fix all for H264 at least that's what I was told. I saw same charging rate improvements end of April after H280. From 8% - 11% 97kW at11% dropped to 80kW and slowly went up to 82.5kW at 36% SOC. Before this I had never seen > 90kW for more than 5 seconds and SOC% was always < 10%. Charging rate from 11% to 36% was a little better than I had seen pre H264 but this could be due to battery temp which at 36% was 27C and at 8% SOC 18C. I have also had SOC% go from 3% and then to Zero!! Finally, from another app that uses an OBD2 dongle, battery capacity after a home charge recently to 100% showed 80.438kW while WattCat reported 83.1kW. Both values at 100% can be < or > than these values depending on battery temperature. However although I have seen 84.3kW in WattCatt (post H280), I have never seem more than 81.7kW from the app that reports this value using the ODB2 protocol and that was with a reported battery SOH of 96.5%
Please use kW and kWh correctly:
ruclips.net/video/Cu582RJgWs0/видео.html
At the beginning of the video Bjørn said something about being able to get a 100kW charge up to "over 30%" SoC with the H280 update, but we see it suddenly jumping from ~100kW to ~80kW when it hit ~10% SoC at the end of the video. This confirms John's experience. And battery capacity and SoC estimation still seems to be more art than science with that car. Regardless, best practice right now seems to be to not let it drop below 7% SoC unless you want to have fun time with low power mode.
Long story short, expect to get about 250mi out of the I-PACE with H264 or higher on a flat road with a feather foot and good weather. Make your typical EV range expectation adjustments given driving style, elevation profile, and weather conditions. A used low-mileage 2019 I-PACE HSE would seem like a screaming deal right about now.
Thanks for pointing that out. Battery capacity values should have been 84.3kW/h and 81.7kW/h. By the way just so you are aware, the I-Pace has always come standard with "Acoustic Laminated Glass" for the windscreen and front windows. If you lower the driver side window you will see that its pretty thick.
@@JohnPGriff It is kWh.
@@MichaelHalcrow On long trips, charging to 80% and driving until 10% (or 7%) would seem to yield roughly 180 miles between stops in good weather. That seems awfully small.
Bjorn does a great job of determining the optimum speed based on capacity and charging speeds, factoring in the efficiency. Recent developments in charging the iPace with hazard lights enabled has me thinking the car can do even faster speeds, to compete with Model X.
Hello Bjorn, can you check out the Facelift I Pace? They say they changed the Engine Software an that its runs more efficent now.
There's no engine in an EV.
Bjørn Nyland 🙄
I had the exact opposite experience in my Model 3 LR RWD after a recent trip. When I returned my battery percentage was indicating 44%, I came back to the car a hour later and it was indicating 48%. I drove to the grocery store expecting the percentage to drop rapidly back to 44%, but it did not.
Is my BMS acting up?
Where the heck did the extra 4% come from Bjorn?
May be coz of regenerative?
Nothing wrong with realistic wheel sizes that perform well in the real world of less than perfect pavement.
This is the first I-Pace that I like. It look very good with the colors, the rims and the tires. It just needs vegan leather and Sentry mode.
Alex Petrov I believe it has vegan interior options (‘premium textiles’, looks quite nice on the configurator). The closest to sentry mode you’ll get is a thatcham alarm system so there’s no HAL 9000 to guard ur vegan interior
The iPace is so nice inside. I wish the EV tech in it was better. 400km range on a 85kwh battery could really be better.
90 kWh
What's the range under normal/non-eco driving?
check carwow. They drive 5 cars together, same conditions, keep the speedlimits until the battery is empty and cars stop
You have been wrongly informed. Atm SOTA does only work with infotainment system. H264, H280 all had to be done at service center. We have been promised SOTA for more modules, but it’s not here yet.
It looks perfectly fine on those 18s, I don't know what you're complaining about.
H280 didn’t alter the range at all. H264 is the range update.
Yes, already mentioned in the video ;)
Bjørn Nyland I saw that. Just wanted to clarify for anyone who might not understand that. Surprised that you saw no difference. I’ve seen a big change in mine with 22” wheels. My range has gone from around 230 to over 250 miles (usually around 253-254) in similar conditions. Which I found especially impressive on 22s. When I really went for the best consumption I could (just as an experiment) I managed to get it to a 273 mile range!
@@AbuDhabiDude H280 was a correction/bug-fix to H264v1 which was installed before 29 Jan 2020, as most people got H264 later (v2+) an even better clarification is that there usually is no H280 at all. Regarding range improvements, from leaked JLR briefing slides the most significant changes for H264 were for the "worst" conditions, so at least cold conditions and maybe high drag tires too. Up to 8% range improvement, but very little change for WLTP-test/hypermiling.
Btw., when you say "managed to get i to a 273 mile range", do you just mean indicated at 100% charge or that you drove almost that far and calculated based on the remaining charge as Bjørn did?
@@AbuDhabiDude I always understood 20" tires gave the best range on the iPace. 22" not as much. Do you have any advice you can link here? What influenced your decision?
So as I understand it, it was basically uncalibrated BMS that hit you, and the owner had no problem after calibrating?
No problem after he slow charged to 100 %, as mentioned in the video.
@@bjornnyland Nice that it could have been a serious problem, but wasn't. Owner must feel relieved 🙂
@@bjornnyland why slow charge to 100%
@@dw9501 BMS will usually allow a slightly higher state of charge when left on AC charger for a while after reaching "100 %" (which is not true 100%), evidenced by no or almost no regen being available as opposed to always some regen after DC charging. Maybe better cell balancing and less temperature fluctuations also affect how predictable SoC is afterwards.
The wheels and tires aren’t that bad. I may go with 19” wheels because JLR vehicles always ride well even on large wheels. I also think Jaguar’s adaptive damping is one of the best in the business. I’d definitely equip my Jaguar or Land Rover with their “Adaptive Dynamics” system.
My biggest disappointment with I-Pace is the slow charging speed. 100kW is not acceptable on any modern car, especially not on a $80K luxury EV.
This is it how it should be after update - more than 100 kW until 37% : youtube watch?v=CWY91XmyRiA
Hei Bjørn
At 05.20 you show that the I-Pace's speedometer shows 109.9 km driven. While GPS shows 113 km driven and that is correct. It shows that the I-Pace has run 3% LONGER than the car's instruments show. This should mean that the car has also driven FASTER than 92 km/h. You should have turned the cruise speed DOWN and not UP! You would then also get to a LOWER consumption, instead of the higher you got by increasing the speed 2 km/t.
Do you agree with this? In that case, I hope you could do the test again. As it then probably has wrong test calculations and thus wrong conclusion.
Nope. GPS speed was 90 km/h.
@@bjornnyland Thank you. I know you know what you are doing. But the driven distance in the given time period was longer than I-Pace reported. Right? Meaning the velocity was HIGHER than measured. So what you are saying is that I-pace showed too short driven distance. At the same time the speed measuring of the I-pace showed too high speed. They were in fact contradictory, and not based on distance/time calibrated instruments.
18" isn't balsy. It's logical.
Why slow charge to 100% vs fast charge?
Slow charge will always be better for the life of the battery. The battery will degrade less with slower charge rates as heat only increases with faster charging rates, which degrade battery components.
Plus i think BMS only does balance charging on slow/AC charging.
calculation is 197 x 408 km /0.98 = 82 kWh
Nope
I see that odometer is rated 999999 km.What will happen if u pass 1 mil km?
its a jaguar! it wont happen.
@@KristoferOlsson It's the Taycan that catches fire when charging.
Charge to ~80% in normal use, rather than 100%, unless you really need the range. It's the same for mobile phones but very few people do that. It extends the life of the battery in both cases.
Ipace needs 3 phase charging
Do you mean it dropped from 5% to 2% when standing still or when driving?
It dropped from 5 to 2 % in a few seconds at the Ionity parking.
After he stopped at the station from what I understood.
Bjørn Nyland ow, that’s the worse one 😱
@@bjornnyland similar thing happened 2 times in KIA Soul EV when battery cooling was active and it dropped from 30 to 25%! It must be corelated with BMS and temperature...
The text captions at the beginning need to be corrected...should say i-pace. But caption is I p.ss
Auto-caption. Not much I can do. You should contact Google.
@@bjornnyland Thanks Bjorn.. FYI. I get my next e-Niro, 2020 UK spec in couple of weeks. I would never have known so much about them unless I watched your shows.. Looking forward to having LEDs and Phone app.
Great video Bjorn but I suggest that you test only at 120 km/h in highways, nobody drives at 90, in Italy (my country) for sure .
Uh, no.
Next gen XJ oughtta be fully electric....with 600km range! That'd be quite smfn.
can you test tesla model x 2020 raven LR
ruclips.net/video/Wu48rQ2vJms/видео.html
We have one and I can confirm Bjørns numbers. But here in Germany those numbers vary a lot bc of our autobahn 🛣 7500km driven within 2 months and average consumption 220Wh/km but a lot of high speed driving. Would guess it would be around 200Wh in other countries with speed limits.
No ""ÿo whatsup?"" Great! 13 minutes to charge 2%?
Above 80-90% every car, even the smartphone or every Li-ion battery charges slow.
Hi Pavel. Yes the charging rates slow, but this last 13 minutes for 2% is a very long time. For almost everyone, I would imagine they would not bother with charging the last 2%. A more realistic test then should not start at 100%, but at some compromise point near 100%. How would the range tests then result? Keep up the great work.
Buy first electric car later talk about latest charging procents you can see after 98 its standing 13 minutes its can be problem with cell and car is trying to save battery life 👍
2%=10 km
Bjorn are you Asian or Eskimo?
Watching all the videos for range test on that route I’m starting to think it is Google maps that is wrong.....
:-D
Even if Google maps was wrong, it is a common denominator, that Bjørn can use for every test to get an actual accurate comparison. If he just went by whatever the car tells him, which differs from manufacturer to manufacturer, the values would be all over the shop.
So it makes sense to use a common denominator, even if that one is off, too.
Jaguar I Piss!!!
not micheline... michelin
Those tires sure are more about "latitude" - not about "attitude" 😂. Ooooor are they some real "grownassman" attitude instead 🤔🤨😏😆
Being forced to drive at 90kph on a 120/130kph highway to reach a decent autonomy is really sad...
And Google is the correct distance? LOL This trust in Google is crazy... Google maps and data have so many errors it's not even funny.
Even if it is off a little, at least it's like a benchmark. Every car will report another distance, Google Maps will always be the same.
As RufftaMan stated: it doesn't matter if Google reports the correct distance. What matters is that it is a common denominator, so that you can get an objective comparison, as you compare all cars against the same common denominator. And it can be replicated by others, as it's freely available.
Keeping 90 kmh at a 110 kmh speed limit road? Nice to drive a 400hp Jag at the speed of 18 wheelers. No wonder the EV drivers brag about long range. The 18 inch wheels are standard spec Jag EV, so why the surprice? I tested this Jag model in Norway, and couldnt get 300km out of it. But then I didnt slow down the traffic driving slower than the 18 wheelers.....
It's a specific test so the protocol must be the same. All cars are driven 90km/h real speed for real life figure and comparison.
Plain simple.