To that's 1 out of 3 cool lines of the series my top being 1- "and the number of the riders shall ever be four" 2- "(Uriel: you would wage this war alone?) War: No.... not alone." 3- "I choose what once a coward could not."
@@ItachiUchiha_1724 You mean it's Liam O'Brian. Who also voiced Asura from Asura's Wrath, Gaara from Naruto, helped start Critical Role and is a player there, Illidan Stormrage from World of Warcraft, and much more.
I just love the irony of the fact the whole ass end of the world is the fault of the angels for not believing the demons could keep the peace when they themselves could not keep it
Well to be fair it was just Abbadon, the others were more or less fine with it. Even Azrael and Ulthane had to be convinced. Even his army didn't know about it and just followed him blindly because they were that loyal.
It was more on the demons for being superior manipulators and the angels for being more gullible. Kind of like; deliberately provoking an angry person into attacking you.
I like how the first Darksiders game is both the beginning, AND the end of the series. ....I mean, I guess it's not the beginning anymore, due to Darksiders GENESIS, but you get the Idea.
I love how despite being the youngest, War is probably acts the most mature after Death. Strife is questionable as it’s hard to separate where the humor is him hiding, and him trying to be funny. But he’s *certainly* more mature than Fury, who gives off big little sister vibes
Me: War is the most tanky in game, due to the multiple times that you can hit zero health if you constantly take damage. However, death is the most tanky outside of game. Evident by the fact that he’s been impelled by chaoseater and pulled the blade out, while War died in his game from being impelled. TM&M: Death specifically has the most overtly noted and thus presumably most well developed superhuman durability...though he can be cut, he does not bleed.
I have a few ideas regarding impalement resistance level. 1) War may be not at the peak of his power in DS1. 2) War was weakened by the battle with the Destroyer. 3) Watcher was draining War's powers and hurting him at that moment. 4) Armaggedon's blade may just be stronger than Chaoseater. 5) War allowed himself to die because otherwise Nex Sacramentum would have to continue. Not all of them may be correct and Death may still be better at taking swords to the chest than War at the peak.
That ending from darksiders 1 gave me goosebumps the first time I saw it. I sincerely cant wait to see the story continued. The rest of the parallel games have been good, but i really want to see how the other three horsemen deal with the revelation that the council has sold them out. I love these lore videos. I would love to see you guys do something from the Blasphemous universe!
@@TrueMastersandMorons the lore for blasphemous is incredibly deep, so perhaps just the basic overall story, and then possibly diving into the boss and npc type characters.
@@ShyCashual yeah the horsemen's body would be too unrealistic to do live action, i mean cgi is a thing but if all the main characters are gonna be covered by it, it only makes sense to do it animated
@@richyc.6465 a darksiders anime series on Netflix mature only would be awesome I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it or even a alien versus predators Netflix series with all of its lore would be great as well
The Charred Council: The Law is clear; When the Seventh Seal is broken, Four Horsemen shall ride forth to punish the wicked... be they Sons of Men, Lords of Heaven, or the Dregs of Hell. All upon the Earth will be judged, and the pact forged anew... You forget your post, Horseman! You forget the law! No call was given. Yet the Destroyer marched, and there you were found, under his black banner if the claims are true. War: To hell with your claims! The Seals were broken! I was summoned.
Thinking on it, I wonder if anyone realizes how dumb it is to ask War "Are you really going to fight everyone?" or something along those lines. It's like no one remembers what his name is. Also come to think of it, was his name always War? Because that's a bit convenient that the Horsemen all had names befitting their roles later.
Huh, maybe the fifth Darksiders game will allow you to play as all of the horsemen, (as of the end of War's game), working to take down Samael, because he's been powering himself as well as the horsemen?
@@greed3650 if they make Vulgrim an enemy, I simply won't play the game He's not that important to the story, but he's definitely a big part of the franchise
That's interesting...all the horsemen have access to their super forms but at least in all the games besides darksiders 2 the horsemen have someone else 'unleash' the power in them(I forget if that was so for Fury with the Lord of Hollows). But Death can just use even just fragments of his super form for simple tasks. It's like he's just an outlier for the powers of the horsemen
No, only War had his Chaos form reunleashed by Samael, Fury was able to use it almost from the beginning. About death you are right, he can use fraction of his Reaper form almost casually, tho it might be because he is the oldest of the horsemen or simply he learned how to do so, dont forget that he is extremely skilled necromancer, magic user, maker -hence he created Fury's Respite and so on. Of course this power can be just unique to him and his form
Oh hell yeah. Also come on picking up statue and using it as a ram can't get more epic Edit: To be fair about anubis army. Strife mentioned that he started so they just wouldn't want to help him
When darksiders 1 released war was the only horseman out in the media and i heard that there was a horseman named "death" .. i was like. Death .. thats my guy.
Why it hasn’t been asked, I don’t know. But after all this time either in game or by the developers themselves. After all that has past, why hasn’t it been explained just how 2 angels and a maker got their hands on all 7 seals. Surely the council with all the power and influence that they have...and the fact that they had the seals hidden, should have caught wind of what was going on even before the seals were broken. I really don’t understand if that was left out for a future game, or was it just forgotten about.
Good point. Another thing I was kinda hoping for in this video was some sort of confirmation of who sent War to Earth since the 7th Seal had not been broken. It's not like he summoned himself. I mean, it seems obvious it was the Charred Council because they're the ones who'd have the power to do so, but maybe it wasn't. Also, are the Charred Council members those talking stone skulls we see or are they someone and somewhere else expressing themselves through them? I hope they tie up those loose ends in a forthcoming game.
Great great job guys!! War still is one of my favorite video game protagonists ever. Assuming in Darksiders 4 we get a recreation of that last scene with the other 3 horesmen coming to earth and then in a Mcu style post credits scene we see all the horsemen meet up together!
@@jonathanratsey2244 Oh yeah that's definitely gonna be Strife's game, but the ending of it I would think would lead back to the famous "No, not alone" scene.
@@jonathanratsey2244 No, Darksiders 4 (Apocalypse) will have all 4 of Horsemen with separate scenarios with overlapping parts like in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep.
@@anispidey maybe they will add that scene for strifes game so they get us hyped for a 5th game with all 4 of them and have it be a co-op where you and 3 friends can play together or go solo with jumping between each horsemen on their missions
Awwww I was kinda hoping you'd bring up War's perception when it came to his siblings. Proof of his tactical mind being better than the others. Essentially War is shown throughout Genesis to be capable of noticing when Strife is clearly bothered by something. Even stating, "You look as though you've seen a ghost." at one point. Strife NEVER removes his helm, so I can only assume War is a MASTER at reading body language. Granted Strife being quieter is also a big tell to War, which just goes to show how well he knows Strife's tells. BUT EVEN IN THE NOVEL, he is shown to be highly perceptive with Death as well. For instance he seems to be fully aware of when Death is bullshitting/hiding something. Whether Death let something in his tone slip or War was again watching Death's body language is unclear. The only clear moments of anger(that War is witness to) coming up at three separate occasions. When War saves Death's sorry hide from the surprise attack of the bad guy in Heaven, when Death accidentally let info slip to enemy through Mortis(War actually seemed highly concerned given just how openly angry Death became), and when War kept pressing Death for more answers on the Ravaiim homeworld. Anyway....Death's tells aside from his anger slips out seem extremely hard for ANYONE to figure out and learn. But clearly War must've taken the time to do so. War clearly knew there was more to the Abominations than Death was letting due to Death's tendency to omit things and/or lie when discussing secrets(as evidenced when he addressed the Council with the reports of the Abomination Crisis and his refusal to divulge anything like the vault location) and because Death was taking things so personally. War must've dedicated a SHIT TON of eons to be able to figure that out with so little tells to go off of. I also recall a part where Death actually threatened to cripple War just to keep him away from Lilith. I don't think War relented at the threat. Death gave something away in that moment, something he rarely ever shows as a tell. Aside from his anger at War's persistence, War to me has to have caught on to more. Death's body language could definitely have been part of it. But what about his tone? Sure Death was shouting, but his tone beyond that is never explained. And given a HIGHLY MESSED UP theory I personally subscribe to in regards to the 'past' between Death and Lilith, what if Death let a moment of fear escape through his angered tone? Just enough for War to pick up on? Course he may have also used the venomous tone he has towards Lilith in the Darksiders 2 game. Hell maybe a mix of all three tones is present in this moment. Either way, War had to have picked up on it and maybe took note of Death's use of the word harlot when describing Lilith as well. It's a stretch as yeah everyone knows she a disloyal hoe, but Death may not use that term often. And when he does call someone that, surely if my theory(and thusly the theory shared by others in the fandom) is correct, then Death NEVER uses this word lightly. Or anything similar to the word harlot without good reason. That and remember how much War is actually questioning him, granted he doesn't question his leadership, but he does question his past at points. War clearly knew Death was hiding more secrets than he let on, and since War is the type of brother to not want his brothers to suffer, he asks Death without relent about his past in an attempt to help Death get it out to at least someone. Strife did so and seemingly felt a bit better after the fact, so perhaps War thought he was helping by asking since he knew Death wasn't just going to outright tell him on his own accord without the push and anger to force it out. I also believe War knew full well Death was lying to him about the blood. But chose not to question it because he trusted his elder sibling THAT MUCH. It cost him his life, but he doesn't seem to care beyond failing to live long enough for Death to complete his plan. I doubt he's mad about failing to protect blood he knew was fake, he's just feigning that part so Death won't notice. The reason he's mad at himself, is because he died and gave Death more pain through that. Why? Because War has known Death long enough to know just how badly guilt eats at him. War knows Death is guilt ridden enough at the plan getting him killed and doesn't want him to suffer more, so he keeps his mouth shut about knowing the truth. At least it was his intent to protect Death from further torment and agony by allowing Death to keep the lies going. Hell the real reason War stood by Death when the Council threatened his end was because of that ULTIMATE familial trust and bond. War didn't care that the plan got him killed, all he cared about was his brother and that he was already suffering enough and he didn't want it to happen anymore. Hence the ultimatum he gave the Council. Even though War's unwavering trust and FAMILIAL love to Death inadvertently caused Death even more pain and guilt because Death is just THAT BAD at managing guilt and constantly guilt trips himself over even minor things. Just that fact that War was doing this to TRY and help spare Death's psyche just goes to show just how loyal of a family member he truly is. For anyone who made it this far, I am SO SORRY. I've been holding onto this for SO LONG you have no idea.
I must SEVERELY apologize to Issac and Tarren too for this MASSIVE info dump. Please forgive me. I just hope it gave more insight into everyone's favorite tank of the Four Horsemen fam.
We haven't seen them together beyond the third game's beginning and it was brief. Can't say I could tell much from that scene beyond War still being a good bro by trying to warn his elder sister. Even though she's being a bit iffy towards him in that moment.
Full disclosure, we never really picked up on his interpersonal perception skills, thanks for the insight on that! Also don't worry about the info dumps, we know you've been waiting awhile, lol
Well, war was seen as quite a heartful passionate individual. So these nuances of the character youve picked on seem accurate. But from the dialogue war had with strife in eden, im feeling that wars got some secrets of his own too. One fishy thing is that his massive bloodlust that he gotta keep in check and his strong sense of honor and justice dont go together. If it did, he wouldve cast away chaoseater to prevent him from being manipulated by the blades posession On the other hand The issue is that the limits of what death is capable of and its implications on the occurring events are quite bizzarre. Given what he is capable of, Guilt for him may not be what you think. That guy has wrought far too much shit to end up with simple guilt. Other than being a godlike warrior, that guy is a mage, a necromancer and a maker of the highest regard, good enough to be considered on peak strategic decisions. All of his capabilities combined with the die hard dedication to protecting his siblings make him quite a riddle for me. In the book, death mightve caused wars demise just because he knew how to resurrect him. In ds2, he wanted to buy war's freedom by resurrecting humanity, by sacrifing the nephilim souls which he saved unbeknownst to the others. And that was just 1 of his secrets with crowfather. And still after crowfather was slain by death, that old one had enough of a bond to stick with him to the precipice of corruption. That shows deep bonds, forged on what, we dont know yet. Who knows what other plots death has hatched with whoever else in this vast universe. Too much backstories. I shudder to think of the secrets death might have with the keeper of the abyss. Another guy is strife. He is so unique that this guy keeps tabs on all notable events involving the council, measuring the involvement of each side, their intent and then manipulating events in his own taste. A bargain there, a bribe here, a wee bit if misdirection and a small lie far over god knows where. I bet strife saw the whole thing and the councils shenanigans coming and prepped for it half a millenia ago. That guy frikkn prepped for his guns to land in his brothers hands in different periods of time in different worlds. I bet strife had something to do with samaels downfall. I hope vigil games takes the time to flesh out each backstory and each universe. We are yet to see the major heads of the white city and the angel equivalent to the power of lucifer. Yet to see the seraphim. Yet to see the secret machinations of the white city. We are yet to see the full breadth of samaels omniscience or his plans for his "chesspieces". He will surely be among the endbosses. But im waiting honestly to see death in all his glory when he leads the horsemen against all of creation, and see what the abyss has in store for what remains.
War is the most badass out of the four riders. I mean, who else came close to beating a large demon's face with a railroad platform? Also, a few things i want to note: 1) War's arm. Reviving a horseman implies full physical reconstruction of the body. So it's strange that War got all his guts back after the Armageddon's blade but not his arm. It may be intentionally kept that way either by Concil to remind about the price of defiance or War himself to remind about the price of losing control. 2) In DS1 when War was brought before the Concil he acts like no time has passed. And yet in DS3 they squeezed a meeting with Fury before that. That raises the question: can the Concil erase memory or was it just a minor retcon?
A funny thing about the whole nephilim affare is that in the source of the story, the book of watchers, is that a dream hints about the nephilim being whiped out by the big flood, a bunch of lines ereased, all but four. Yeah. Too tempting.
Absolutely loved the video. I have been a fan of Darksiders for a very long time and I am eagerly waiting for Part4 (hopefully Strife's story and how his bonds would be severed from the Council) and part5 where the culmination of the story happens with the Horsemen clearing up all the races and bodies that stand in their way. Just imagine Death, War, Fury and Strife running towards an army like Ezio and his Assassins do in Brotherhood's trailer and the scene cuts to reveal the title of the 5th game (Darksiders: Apocalypse or Darksiders: Endgame lol). My god that'd be amazing
The seventh seal breaking brings the Horseman to earth no matter where or even in they die - true But they come back Full Powered (for the final Battle) Wich is insane!
I think his arm probably regrew and he just wears the huge gauntlet to prevent it from being cut off again as in the first game he literally dies and comes back to life it just doesn't make sense that is arm wouldn't grow back
I believe the animus machine when it created the corruption, accidentally made it sentient so it chose a champion or an avatar if you will and it’s most fitting choice would be absalom so I believe it found a way to reanimate it using its unfathomable and efficient power to search through the universe, found a way to reanimate absalom as its avatar in order to protect it well as they knew no living person could be used because they can fight back and knowing any kind of pestilence it is somewhat cowardly in nature if you thought it to have sentience, also it would have been the strongest person it could possibly bring back as they’re not only mortal but also dead, so he can’t fight back and he is capable of being killed again, however i also believe it was because he had a similar goal, to wreak havoc in revenge of their fallen brothers so it took advantage of it in the way we know Lilith does, persuasion, to basically make a deal with absalom to be used as the avatar of the corruption as well as a fearsome warden to fight against people who claim to destroy it, so the idea is that they can trust him because they have a common goal, so they gave him extra abilities because of their ruthless efficiency with raw power, skill and the abilities given to him by the corruption, making what is effectively the most deadly super pestilence ever made which as you can see did wonders, although I don’t believe Lilith knew about the use of an avatar as she kinda just let it go do it’s thing wherever it wants in whatever way it wants because she knows that no matter who it chooses, they’ll either agree with her ideas or be too weak to attempt to overthrow her, and luckily for her, it’s both, but just because he’s inferior to Lilith doesn’t mean he’s weak, because he is a fearsome foe to be sure but my god, what a deadly pair
@@TrueMastersandMorons He wasn't at full strength for the whole game. Only when Uriel breaks the 7th seal and War is revived does he actually gets to his full power.
Depends on what we're talking about but broad strokes. War: Fighter/Barbarian with either a couple levels of a spell caster or stuff from race. Death: Fighter/Caster Fury: Caster/Fighter/(Possibly barbarian) Strife: Gunslinger/Ranger idk But in all honesty those are very loose and we would need allot more time to "Build" them. :P
True Masters and Morons I was honestly thinking some of their Magic’s were something that was just natural for their race;war being a barbarian as he can mostly take more damage and give the most physical damage. strife a ranger as he can use up close blades but keeps his distance with his guns as well as trickery with shadow clones and caltrops. fury a battle mage which is self explanatory. and death being something of a rogue mage with most of his magic being necromancy.
Ah, Samael... there's a guy who is smart enough to know that if you want to rule hell (Which seems to be his end goal), YOU CAN'T DO IT IF YOU'RE DEAD (Resurrection aside) OR SENTENCED TO OBLIVION!
I know you guys just did a lore about War but when will you update the chaos forms for Strife Genesis been out for a while now, great video nonetheless
Haven't gotten around to ds3 yet but isn't death one helluva mage if you choose to spec him that way too? Even in lore, he CREATED the grand abominations. That took some degree of magical craftsmanship at least... Death is the most powerful in every regard tbh which makes sense. The concepts all the others represent all lead to Death.
Was enamoured by the ending of darksiders and have been waiting for 13 damn years to get to the point at the end of darksiders 1 and continue the narrative, but it feels like that won’t happen any time soon. Lame
I think the coolest line in the Darksiders series is"I choose what once a coward could not"
Same with his voice so cool
@@depressedgwyndolin if you don't know
He is gaara
To that's 1 out of 3 cool lines of the series my top being
1- "and the number of the riders shall ever be four"
2- "(Uriel: you would wage this war alone?)
War: No.... not alone."
3- "I choose what once a coward could not."
@@ItachiUchiha_1724 You mean it's Liam O'Brian. Who also voiced Asura from Asura's Wrath, Gaara from Naruto, helped start Critical Role and is a player there, Illidan Stormrage from World of Warcraft, and much more.
@@anathar1942 Your number 2 is my number one. It gave me goosebumps
I just love the irony of the fact the whole ass end of the world is the fault of the angels for not believing the demons could keep the peace when they themselves could not keep it
Well to be fair it was just Abbadon, the others were more or less fine with it. Even Azrael and Ulthane had to be convinced. Even his army didn't know about it and just followed him blindly because they were that loyal.
It was more on the demons for being superior manipulators and the angels for being more gullible.
Kind of like; deliberately provoking an angry person into attacking you.
The council was aiding hell against humanity and indirectly heaven
I like how the first Darksiders game is both the beginning, AND the end of the series.
....I mean, I guess it's not the beginning anymore, due to Darksiders GENESIS, but you get the Idea.
It sure as hell isn’t gonna the end either
@@Keaghan9 Hopefully.
I love how despite being the youngest, War is probably acts the most mature after Death. Strife is questionable as it’s hard to separate where the humor is him hiding, and him trying to be funny. But he’s *certainly* more mature than Fury, who gives off big little sister vibes
Me: War is the most tanky in game, due to the multiple times that you can hit zero health if you constantly take damage. However, death is the most tanky outside of game. Evident by the fact that he’s been impelled by chaoseater and pulled the blade out, while War died in his game from being impelled. TM&M: Death specifically has the most overtly noted and thus presumably most well developed superhuman durability...though he can be cut, he does not bleed.
I have a few ideas regarding impalement resistance level.
1) War may be not at the peak of his power in DS1.
2) War was weakened by the battle with the Destroyer.
3) Watcher was draining War's powers and hurting him at that moment.
4) Armaggedon's blade may just be stronger than Chaoseater.
5) War allowed himself to die because otherwise Nex Sacramentum would have to continue.
Not all of them may be correct and Death may still be better at taking swords to the chest than War at the peak.
Darksiders is literally my favourite franchise without a doubt
Imagine if it merged with god of war
@@greed3650 maybe halo aswell... What do u think?
@@hitz4754 lol why halo halo an gears of war sound way better
That ending from darksiders 1 gave me goosebumps the first time I saw it. I sincerely cant wait to see the story continued. The rest of the parallel games have been good, but i really want to see how the other three horsemen deal with the revelation that the council has sold them out.
I love these lore videos. I would love to see you guys do something from the Blasphemous universe!
We look forward to those potential future main games for sure!
Anything specifically from Blasphemus you'd like to see?
@@TrueMastersandMorons the lore for blasphemous is incredibly deep, so perhaps just the basic overall story, and then possibly diving into the boss and npc type characters.
The image of Uriel with a pacifier will forever be burned into my brain. Thanks for that
Now we just need a fan art of her as baby next to a baby war lol I would kill to see that
@@jonathanratsey2244 same
I will speak the mind of everyone here when i say we need a Darksiders movie. Or maybe several of them.
Or maybe a TV series
A darksiders movie or tv series would only work as anime not live action
@@ShyCashual an anime with every episode swapping perspective between the 4, 16 episodes per season so each of the 4 get 4 focus episodes!
@@ShyCashual yeah the horsemen's body would be too unrealistic to do live action, i mean cgi is a thing but if all the main characters are gonna be covered by it, it only makes sense to do it animated
@@richyc.6465 a darksiders anime series on Netflix mature only would be awesome I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it or even a alien versus predators Netflix series with all of its lore would be great as well
The Charred Council: The Law is clear; When the Seventh Seal is broken, Four Horsemen shall ride forth to punish the wicked... be they Sons of Men, Lords of Heaven, or the Dregs of Hell. All upon the Earth will be judged, and the pact forged anew... You forget your post, Horseman! You forget the law! No call was given. Yet the Destroyer marched, and there you were found, under his black banner if the claims are true.
War: To hell with your claims! The Seals were broken! I was summoned.
Yes bro
I love war 😭
Me when my parents accuse me of something my little brother did. War is just what I want to say, but worded differently.
Thinking on it, I wonder if anyone realizes how dumb it is to ask War "Are you really going to fight everyone?" or something along those lines. It's like no one remembers what his name is.
Also come to think of it, was his name always War? Because that's a bit convenient that the Horsemen all had names befitting their roles later.
Huh, maybe the fifth Darksiders game will allow you to play as all of the horsemen, (as of the end of War's game), working to take down Samael, because he's been powering himself as well as the horsemen?
I'm sure Samael will be an enemy along with some boss from the council as well
@@jonathanratsey2244 I don’t think he will He’s helped them out so much I bet he’s going to stay they ally forever like Azriel an vulgrim N the makers
@@greed3650 if they make Vulgrim an enemy, I simply won't play the game
He's not that important to the story, but he's definitely a big part of the franchise
That's interesting...all the horsemen have access to their super forms but at least in all the games besides darksiders 2 the horsemen have someone else 'unleash' the power in them(I forget if that was so for Fury with the Lord of Hollows). But Death can just use even just fragments of his super form for simple tasks. It's like he's just an outlier for the powers of the horsemen
No, only War had his Chaos form reunleashed by Samael, Fury was able to use it almost from the beginning. About death you are right, he can use fraction of his Reaper form almost casually, tho it might be because he is the oldest of the horsemen or simply he learned how to do so, dont forget that he is extremely skilled necromancer, magic user, maker -hence he created Fury's Respite and so on. Of course this power can be just unique to him and his form
Samael never really unleashed war's chaos form in the first game, he just goaded him into doing it himself.
Oh hell yeah. Also come on picking up statue and using it as a ram can't get more epic
Edit: To be fair about anubis army. Strife mentioned that he started so they just wouldn't want to help him
I love the Darksiders series, it's your extended gameplay of the games why I subscribed to this channel in the first place
The only one that is missing now is strife and i actualy enjoy these darksiders lore vedios keep it up please
They made it
I had no clue War had died so many times that's just another day on the job.
War has always been my favorite. I'm not sure if it's because we get to play him first, or because he is such a kickass tank.
Death is my favorite
When darksiders 1 released war was the only horseman out in the media and i heard that there was a horseman named "death" .. i was like.
Death .. thats my guy.
I've always been drawn to the big hulkish characters that do nothing but bludgeon things and charge in head first!! My type of dude!!!!
Why it hasn’t been asked, I don’t know. But after all this time either in game or by the developers themselves. After all that has past, why hasn’t it been explained just how 2 angels and a maker got their hands on all 7 seals. Surely the council with all the power and influence that they have...and the fact that they had the seals hidden, should have caught wind of what was going on even before the seals were broken. I really don’t understand if that was left out for a future game, or was it just forgotten about.
Good point. Another thing I was kinda hoping for in this video was some sort of confirmation of who sent War to Earth since the 7th Seal had not been broken. It's not like he summoned himself. I mean, it seems obvious it was the Charred Council because they're the ones who'd have the power to do so, but maybe it wasn't. Also, are the Charred Council members those talking stone skulls we see or are they someone and somewhere else expressing themselves through them? I hope they tie up those loose ends in a forthcoming game.
Great great job guys!! War still is one of my favorite video game protagonists ever. Assuming in Darksiders 4 we get a recreation of that last scene with the other 3 horesmen coming to earth and then in a Mcu style post credits scene we see all the horsemen meet up together!
If they do darksiders 4 they will need to handle strife in his own standalone game
@@jonathanratsey2244 Oh yeah that's definitely gonna be Strife's game, but the ending of it I would think would lead back to the famous "No, not alone" scene.
@@jonathanratsey2244 No, Darksiders 4 (Apocalypse) will have all 4 of Horsemen with separate scenarios with overlapping parts like in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep.
@@anispidey maybe they will add that scene for strifes game so they get us hyped for a 5th game with all 4 of them and have it be a co-op where you and 3 friends can play together or go solo with jumping between each horsemen on their missions
@@robday3695 sorry but I think they would want to flush out strife on his own before they have all 4 horsemen together in 1 game
Awwww I was kinda hoping you'd bring up War's perception when it came to his siblings. Proof of his tactical mind being better than the others.
Essentially War is shown throughout Genesis to be capable of noticing when Strife is clearly bothered by something. Even stating, "You look as though you've seen a ghost." at one point. Strife NEVER removes his helm, so I can only assume War is a MASTER at reading body language. Granted Strife being quieter is also a big tell to War, which just goes to show how well he knows Strife's tells.
BUT EVEN IN THE NOVEL, he is shown to be highly perceptive with Death as well. For instance he seems to be fully aware of when Death is bullshitting/hiding something. Whether Death let something in his tone slip or War was again watching Death's body language is unclear. The only clear moments of anger(that War is witness to) coming up at three separate occasions. When War saves Death's sorry hide from the surprise attack of the bad guy in Heaven, when Death accidentally let info slip to enemy through Mortis(War actually seemed highly concerned given just how openly angry Death became), and when War kept pressing Death for more answers on the Ravaiim homeworld.
Anyway....Death's tells aside from his anger slips out seem extremely hard for ANYONE to figure out and learn. But clearly War must've taken the time to do so. War clearly knew there was more to the Abominations than Death was letting due to Death's tendency to omit things and/or lie when discussing secrets(as evidenced when he addressed the Council with the reports of the Abomination Crisis and his refusal to divulge anything like the vault location) and because Death was taking things so personally. War must've dedicated a SHIT TON of eons to be able to figure that out with so little tells to go off of. I also recall a part where Death actually threatened to cripple War just to keep him away from Lilith. I don't think War relented at the threat. Death gave something away in that moment, something he rarely ever shows as a tell. Aside from his anger at War's persistence, War to me has to have caught on to more. Death's body language could definitely have been part of it. But what about his tone? Sure Death was shouting, but his tone beyond that is never explained. And given a HIGHLY MESSED UP theory I personally subscribe to in regards to the 'past' between Death and Lilith, what if Death let a moment of fear escape through his angered tone? Just enough for War to pick up on? Course he may have also used the venomous tone he has towards Lilith in the Darksiders 2 game. Hell maybe a mix of all three tones is present in this moment. Either way, War had to have picked up on it and maybe took note of Death's use of the word harlot when describing Lilith as well. It's a stretch as yeah everyone knows she a disloyal hoe, but Death may not use that term often. And when he does call someone that, surely if my theory(and thusly the theory shared by others in the fandom) is correct, then Death NEVER uses this word lightly. Or anything similar to the word harlot without good reason.
That and remember how much War is actually questioning him, granted he doesn't question his leadership, but he does question his past at points. War clearly knew Death was hiding more secrets than he let on, and since War is the type of brother to not want his brothers to suffer, he asks Death without relent about his past in an attempt to help Death get it out to at least someone. Strife did so and seemingly felt a bit better after the fact, so perhaps War thought he was helping by asking since he knew Death wasn't just going to outright tell him on his own accord without the push and anger to force it out.
I also believe War knew full well Death was lying to him about the blood. But chose not to question it because he trusted his elder sibling THAT MUCH. It cost him his life, but he doesn't seem to care beyond failing to live long enough for Death to complete his plan. I doubt he's mad about failing to protect blood he knew was fake, he's just feigning that part so Death won't notice. The reason he's mad at himself, is because he died and gave Death more pain through that. Why? Because War has known Death long enough to know just how badly guilt eats at him. War knows Death is guilt ridden enough at the plan getting him killed and doesn't want him to suffer more, so he keeps his mouth shut about knowing the truth. At least it was his intent to protect Death from further torment and agony by allowing Death to keep the lies going. Hell the real reason War stood by Death when the Council threatened his end was because of that ULTIMATE familial trust and bond. War didn't care that the plan got him killed, all he cared about was his brother and that he was already suffering enough and he didn't want it to happen anymore. Hence the ultimatum he gave the Council. Even though War's unwavering trust and FAMILIAL love to Death inadvertently caused Death even more pain and guilt because Death is just THAT BAD at managing guilt and constantly guilt trips himself over even minor things. Just that fact that War was doing this to TRY and help spare Death's psyche just goes to show just how loyal of a family member he truly is.
For anyone who made it this far, I am SO SORRY. I've been holding onto this for SO LONG you have no idea.
I must SEVERELY apologize to Issac and Tarren too for this MASSIVE info dump. Please forgive me. I just hope it gave more insight into everyone's favorite tank of the Four Horsemen fam.
Unseelie FaeLass what about fury?
We haven't seen them together beyond the third game's beginning and it was brief. Can't say I could tell much from that scene beyond War still being a good bro by trying to warn his elder sister. Even though she's being a bit iffy towards him in that moment.
Full disclosure, we never really picked up on his interpersonal perception skills, thanks for the insight on that! Also don't worry about the info dumps, we know you've been waiting awhile, lol
Well, war was seen as quite a heartful passionate individual.
So these nuances of the character youve picked on seem accurate. But from the dialogue war had with strife in eden, im feeling that wars got some secrets of his own too.
One fishy thing is that his massive bloodlust that he gotta keep in check and his strong sense of honor and justice dont go together. If it did, he wouldve cast away chaoseater to prevent him from being manipulated by the blades posession
On the other hand The issue is that the limits of what death is capable of and its implications on the occurring events are quite bizzarre. Given what he is capable of, Guilt for him may not be what you think. That guy has wrought far too much shit to end up with simple guilt.
Other than being a godlike warrior, that guy is a mage, a necromancer and a maker of the highest regard, good enough to be considered on peak strategic decisions. All of his capabilities combined with the die hard dedication to protecting his siblings make him quite a riddle for me.
In the book, death mightve caused wars demise just because he knew how to resurrect him. In ds2, he wanted to buy war's freedom by resurrecting humanity, by sacrifing the nephilim souls which he saved unbeknownst to the others. And that was just 1 of his secrets with crowfather. And still after crowfather was slain by death, that old one had enough of a bond to stick with him to the precipice of corruption. That shows deep bonds, forged on what, we dont know yet.
Who knows what other plots death has hatched with whoever else in this vast universe. Too much backstories. I shudder to think of the secrets death might have with the keeper of the abyss.
Another guy is strife. He is so unique that this guy keeps tabs on all notable events involving the council, measuring the involvement of each side, their intent and then manipulating events in his own taste. A bargain there, a bribe here, a wee bit if misdirection and a small lie far over god knows where.
I bet strife saw the whole thing and the councils shenanigans coming and prepped for it half a millenia ago. That guy frikkn prepped for his guns to land in his brothers hands in different periods of time in different worlds. I bet strife had something to do with samaels downfall.
I hope vigil games takes the time to flesh out each backstory and each universe. We are yet to see the major heads of the white city and the angel equivalent to the power of lucifer. Yet to see the seraphim. Yet to see the secret machinations of the white city.
We are yet to see the full breadth of samaels omniscience or his plans for his "chesspieces". He will surely be among the endbosses.
But im waiting honestly to see death in all his glory when he leads the horsemen against all of creation, and see what the abyss has in store for what remains.
War is the most badass out of the four riders. I mean, who else came close to beating a large demon's face with a railroad platform?
Also, a few things i want to note:
1) War's arm. Reviving a horseman implies full physical reconstruction of the body. So it's strange that War got all his guts back after the Armageddon's blade but not his arm. It may be intentionally kept that way either by Concil to remind about the price of defiance or War himself to remind about the price of losing control.
2) In DS1 when War was brought before the Concil he acts like no time has passed. And yet in DS3 they squeezed a meeting with Fury before that. That raises the question: can the Concil erase memory or was it just a minor retcon?
A funny thing about the whole nephilim affare is that in the source of the story, the book of watchers, is that a dream hints about the nephilim being whiped out by the big flood, a bunch of lines ereased, all but four.
Yeah. Too tempting.
A truly great lore video. I love Darksiders and I hope they make a game involving the four of them.
Please do a Legacy of Kain timeline lore video.
If these lore videos were animated, I’d hammer the like button on every last one of them
Absolutely loved the video. I have been a fan of Darksiders for a very long time and I am eagerly waiting for Part4 (hopefully Strife's story and how his bonds would be severed from the Council) and part5 where the culmination of the story happens with the Horsemen clearing up all the races and bodies that stand in their way. Just imagine Death, War, Fury and Strife running towards an army like Ezio and his Assassins do in Brotherhood's trailer and the scene cuts to reveal the title of the 5th game (Darksiders: Apocalypse or Darksiders: Endgame lol). My god that'd be amazing
You disrespect darksiders by comparing it to assassins creed, an overmilked cow that needs to be given its overdue retirement. Period.
Liam O’Brien’s War is just one of my favorites voices of a character in general like OMG it’s just SO COOL!
I'm waiting for Strife
The seventh seal breaking brings the Horseman to earth no matter where or even in they die - true
But they come back Full Powered (for the final Battle)
Wich is insane!
Got to love lore additions
cant wait for you guys to do Strife he's my favorite of the Horsemen XD
I kinda want to see a darksiders weapons explained video.
I like how your voices change when questioning or marking something XD
Awesome video guys keep up the awesome content
War and death are my two favorite of the four horseman and the two strongest, especially their weapons, armor(abyssal armor), and powers.
This seems a bit more casual than the other Darksiders Lore videos. Not a bad thing in any sense.
thanks for the video you guys keep up the amazing work and maybe you guys do a video on Kratos' weapons and abilities from the God of War games
I think his arm probably regrew and he just wears the huge gauntlet to prevent it from being cut off again as in the first game he literally dies and comes back to life it just doesn't make sense that is arm wouldn't grow back
Thanks guys
I believe the animus machine when it created the corruption, accidentally made it sentient so it chose a champion or an avatar if you will and it’s most fitting choice would be absalom so I believe it found a way to reanimate it using its unfathomable and efficient power to search through the universe, found a way to reanimate absalom as its avatar in order to protect it well as they knew no living person could be used because they can fight back and knowing any kind of pestilence it is somewhat cowardly in nature if you thought it to have sentience, also it would have been the strongest person it could possibly bring back as they’re not only mortal but also dead, so he can’t fight back and he is capable of being killed again, however i also believe it was because he had a similar goal, to wreak havoc in revenge of their fallen brothers so it took advantage of it in the way we know Lilith does, persuasion, to basically make a deal with absalom to be used as the avatar of the corruption as well as a fearsome warden to fight against people who claim to destroy it, so the idea is that they can trust him because they have a common goal, so they gave him extra abilities because of their ruthless efficiency with raw power, skill and the abilities given to him by the corruption, making what is effectively the most deadly super pestilence ever made which as you can see did wonders, although I don’t believe Lilith knew about the use of an avatar as she kinda just let it go do it’s thing wherever it wants in whatever way it wants because she knows that no matter who it chooses, they’ll either agree with her ideas or be too weak to attempt to overthrow her, and luckily for her, it’s both, but just because he’s inferior to Lilith doesn’t mean he’s weak, because he is a fearsome foe to be sure but my god, what a deadly pair
I'd love to see a lore video about Strife
Oh yes can do a video about the leviathans or make it in one of the ultimate lore vedios
Can't wait to hear about strife, boys!
BEST horseman!
When death an strife going to be able to use there abomination weapons in game an all four together with bee abysal armor/horse/chaos form
Can you do another Diablo lore video about the angiris council and the great evils?
I wood like to now more about strife
I want darksiders 4 so bad, like can you imagine the conversion between the 4 espically with war being the youngest
I think war is strongest horsemen not death hehe
You are wrong hehe
So in the Darksiders 1 war wasn't at his full strength right,no wonder he was nearly kicked ass by ulthane
Ya, full strength for most of the tutorial, full strength+ by game's end.
@@TrueMastersandMorons He wasn't at full strength for the whole game. Only when Uriel breaks the 7th seal and War is revived does he actually gets to his full power.
What do you guys think in full description what are the four horsemen’s classes per se?
Depends on what we're talking about but broad strokes.
War: Fighter/Barbarian with either a couple levels of a spell caster or stuff from race.
Death: Fighter/Caster
Fury: Caster/Fighter/(Possibly barbarian)
Strife: Gunslinger/Ranger idk
But in all honesty those are very loose and we would need allot more time to "Build" them. :P
True Masters and Morons I was honestly thinking some of their Magic’s were something that was just natural for their race;war being a barbarian as he can mostly take more damage and give the most physical damage. strife a ranger as he can use up close blades but keeps his distance with his guns as well as trickery with shadow clones and caltrops. fury a battle mage which is self explanatory. and death being something of a rogue mage with most of his magic being necromancy.
LA DUH is going on a t-shirt🤑😁. Can you guys please do a Highlander lure movies anime etc etc.
Ah, Samael... there's a guy who is smart enough to know that if you want to rule hell (Which seems to be his end goal), YOU CAN'T DO IT IF YOU'RE DEAD (Resurrection aside) OR SENTENCED TO OBLIVION!
Anyway you can do Gill from Street fighter
Do a video on strife please
Strife next please
I know you guys just did a lore about War but when will you update the chaos forms for Strife Genesis been out for a while now, great video nonetheless
When they say Death is the most powerful, that is no joke, Darksiders 2 at some point offers no challenge at all, no matter the opponents you fight!
100% Agreed Death is insane
Plz do Strife next
I'm still waiting for DARKSIDER 4. I hope it's coming for the PS4
Doubtful. Ps5 and pc etc
It's happening now
Hey could you please think about do some videos on the valkyria chronicles series?
Anything specifically from the series you'd like to see?
True Masters and Morons a timeline of the world or something about the valkyrias
Death lied to war and got war killed then resurrect war then lie again in his face about what happened
Anyone else wanna see these guys do a Persona lore video.
Anything from Persona you'd like to see specifically?
@@TrueMastersandMorons First thing that came to mind was Igor and the Velvet Room.
So....is that the beardedbard?
... No...?
Also in the first game he still as his upper arm and forearm
The Aminace might amplified the sins of man, the infection might been slow down after strife and war slay the infection Men.
My theory
1:50 "fury being the most magically gifted" yea right, DS3 ruined that
Haven't gotten around to ds3 yet but isn't death one helluva mage if you choose to spec him that way too? Even in lore, he CREATED the grand abominations. That took some degree of magical craftsmanship at least... Death is the most powerful in every regard tbh which makes sense. The concepts all the others represent all lead to Death.
Wakfu lore
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I just realized Abadon's racist.
Im war that's me and this is not a game
Was enamoured by the ending of darksiders and have been waiting for 13 damn years to get to the point at the end of darksiders 1 and continue the narrative, but it feels like that won’t happen any time soon. Lame