Very interesting Video. Nice comparison. Keep the videos coming. 👍👍👍👍. when i get back from holidays i am gonna do an extensive test with different Buckings and Tensioners as well. i am excited to see the results. MR hog looks very promising
People tend to change the hop up unit instead of trying new buckings and nubs and that's a expensive 'mistake'. This tests prove that very well. Well it's time for me to test the Mr buckings specially the 60 and 70º, ty for the upload.
@@farawesomecat4719 with hopup unit you refer to the hopup chamber, the big housing at the start of your barrel. Then you have the hopup bucking/rubber, which is an little rubber piece that you put around the barrel at the start, then you have your hopup nub, which is an very tiny piece which your hopup chamber presses against the hopup bucking to push that piece of rubber slightly on the inside of the barrel. This gives the BB an little spin which increases its range. This spin can be given with an bad consistency with certain products which alters the accuracy, but the more consistent quality you can get on your BB spin, the tighter grouping you will get. What comment before said was right, in that the hopup chamber itself has not much to do with the effects of the hopup, it is simply an chamber which houses the nub and rubber that give the effect. What an hopup chamber can change however, is that like with some of the maxx hopup models you can see the BB's in the chamber due to an small piece of plexiglass, they create tracer units for the hopup with it instead of an tracer unit inside of an muzzle device (suppressor etc.). They also have an sort of locking system which prevents those pesky 3 BB's from falling out of your gun once you reload. But the best upgrade of the chamber it can bring is an more precise dialing of the hop. Anyways, the hopup chamber is more of an thing to upgrade because of some gimmicky thing or QoL. The barrel, bucking and nub are the things that are all about accuracy.
The only time a changed a hopup on my de because I couldn't get the stock chamber apart to change the nub but that's before I realized you are supposed to knock it out and drop it in which takes 1 million tries. I only use a ZCI chamber and a green Mr. It shoots 350. Ootb you want a 70 because that thing was 1.7j or 430 fps on a sbr and thats a m100.
Hey man 😀 so I'm kinda lost in what to get ad far as barrel and bucking and hop up. I struggle getting my shots to stay consistent, I'm still using a stock gun. So I'm going to go through the seals on the gear box and make sure I get 99.999 percent seal. Then after that I'm going to be putting a new barrel bucking and hop up. I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO START WITH! What do you think of a 6.01 action army barrel? Combined with a 70 degree maple leaf black bucking?
What are your f2 settings? Im trying to tune with the same set up and having slight problems getting it exactly right. And to see yours i can adjust from there. Many thanks
I love your videos man. Keep this stuff coming. Gonna pick up a maple mr hop and barrel to do some testing myself. What nub where you using again? If I understand correct it’s the maxx hop up r hop nub
please be aware that the current batch of maple leaf barrels is having some QC issues, and if you go with the mr. hop please be aware that it performs best with .36 g bb and above, any lower, the super macron or begadi fly5 is better, and in general the begadi buckings works with a larger amount of barrel and nozzle combos :)
Amazings tests! Do you now how a full Maple Leaf setup (ML Barrel,Omega nub,Macaron) compares with the Maxx hop, prommy barrel, Mr hop & Alu nub setup? I've jut got an MTW billet and the stock performance isn't very good, groupings are terrible. I'm looking for something I can put in without doing any modifications (such as filing things down).
I can definitely say the mr hop bucking and prommy barral go togehther perfectly I'm running that now. About the maxx hop up I can't say forsure as all my friends who have it get feed issues after its installed not sure why but none of the mags we use work. Mykrytac mags. My friends EMS mags hell even old Dboys stuff wont feed
So I'm not exactly clear here. I'll be ordering my prommy barrel and maple leaf bucking, which nub was the best in your testing? I couldn't make out what was written on the papers. Maybe because I just woke up and I'm still half asleep, but I didn't hear which nub was used for the tightest grouping. Nm, I found the transcript. It's the omega nub with standard hop
Sadly the Maxx unit doesn't work in my VFC HK416 with the F2 inside because the alignment was way off. With the standard VFC hop unit the alignment was perfect. Because of your other video I decided to give the R hop arm for VFC (and G&G for in my PCC45) a try. Any chance of a test wih the r hop arm? Hopefully I get some nice results. Anyway, love your videos. Keep up the good work and I'll definitely return to wach more.
@@reflexairsoft4648 The shooting test itself wouldn't be necessary per sé, simply the results like this video of the cheap unit with r hop arm and mr hop vs the maxx with aluminium nub and mr hop would be really nice because you can hardly find any info or reviews on the r hop arm online.
@@reflexairsoft4648 Thanks a bunch man, if the results are good you might be able to save a lot of people a lot of money by going for the hop arm instead of the maxx unit.
Could you make a video on installing the omega nub into the maxx hopup. Im newer to working on my own stuff just tackled building a kythera build and finsihed it but now trying to get my barrel setup ie maxx with omega nub and mr hop but havent looked into taking maxx apart
Which nub is the "alu" nub? and will that nub work in other chambers? i have a TM 416 wich needs new bucking and nub, but unsure wich one to get. the new 2021 bucking seems like a good choice but im unsure about nubs..., any tips? Great video btw :D
The aluminium nub is exclusive for the maxx hop Unit and will only work in this, check out my vid on the maxx Unit. To be fair TM buckings and nubs fit TM guns the best, but a maple leaf mr. hop or SUPER macron paired with the maple leaf omega nub is always a good point to start from 👍 And thank you so much
great video, i´m using this setup: Action army barrel, maxx unit Mr hop 60 omega Nub just got it install yesterday, havent tested yet, should i go for the maxx nub for better results?
@@reflexairsoft4648 it was to prohibit joulecreep as the dutch airsoft association has determined the max energy transfer to a human beeing. All chrono is now done with .30 (sniper as well i know dont ask)
As that seems fair, but joules are joules, the field I go to (mostly) they will have a max joule, and its chronoed with your mag and bb weight, that being .20 or .36 the joules need to be 1.69 for 0m distance. I love that
@@reflexairsoft4648 yes that would be ideal but they feared people lying about bb weight or switch for chrono.. guess they dont believe in a gentlemens game
Just finished testing with MAXX ME, Maxx 4.5mm cnc nub, ML MR Hop 2021 60, 6.03 steel prometheus barrel in my MTW with Inferno Gen2 and shots were all over the place at 15m. Next I think I'm going to try the same but with a Macaron and omega instead.
Set up question, for a DMR I’m planning on going budget, with a cyma platinum sr-25. So would a Maxx hop up with r hop arm and Mr. hop bucking work good. I don’t know what barrel to use but will refinish the bore. And also I will improve the air seal in the gearbox to improve accuracy at range.
Sorry never had an A&K gun, so cant really tell what will work with that hop unit, but here is my advice: Run it with the standard hop unit, and modify the standard bucking to flat hop(see my cheap gun vid) or get the modify(brand) bucking in “hard” and an omega or firefly nub, and some heavy bbs. And see where you are at👍
Do you know anything about the G&G g2 gearbox. I’m going to get a Maxx unit with Mr hop bucking but don’t know what base to go off of and I don’t have the money for HPA. I might just buy a springer sniper rifle if I have too for good accuracy.
The g&g g2? If its in a g&g, then you should ve good, and the g&g hop Unit is better in a g&g gun than a maxx if you use the maple leaf omega nub just be aware that the maxx Unit dont just drop into any gun and perform better than the standard Unit by default
@@reflexairsoft4648 I tested the 6mm this afternoon not testing the 4.5mm like the prometheus window and rather large I tested the 6mm to impress with the precision and consistency of the shots. I am at 340fps at 0.40bb and Mr hop 60 ° yellow. I think 60 ° and really the right ratio to my bb and fps I have 70 ° too but it shoots so well that I don't even think to test. it’s so much better than the omega tensioner !!! Thank you very much for your test again, it made me want to test and I do not regret it at all !!!
Meaple leaf inner barrel 370mm 6.02, mr hop up 70° and omega nub is the best configuration for a vfc vr16 saber carbine ? I shoot at 382 fps-117M/S - 1.7Joule
It’s comes down to variation… a metal Nub won’t change shape… so the only variation will be in the silicone bucking itself… Metal nubs should be better across all builds.
@@reflexairsoft4648 vfc Avalon shooting right around 400, stock brass barrel. Pretty sure it's 6.03. Maxx me hop, maple leaf Mr. Hop 70°. I'm using .32s btw. Haven't chronoed with them yet. But I'm getting great results outside. haven't been able to test it inside yet.
In this setup it would be ok to run 70, the reason i run 60 in a similar setup is bc i live where the weather in summer can be 16-30 degrees so the 60 fairs better with the low temp, but yeah 30degrees temps i would prefer the 70. Also note, the 60 wears Down alot faster than 70. 60 would have around 50k shots in them and 70 more close to 100k
Then its fine, normally when i flat hop I just take a dirt cheap standard bucking and do it. But yeah normally the ml buckings fits Nice in the standard krytac hop unit 👍
Reflex Airsoft is my go to guy when I need some honest and truthful analysis. I wish you kept making videos cause you sir are the best.
Very interesting Video. Nice comparison. Keep the videos coming. 👍👍👍👍. when i get back from holidays i am gonna do an extensive test with different Buckings and Tensioners as well. i am excited to see the results. MR hog looks very promising
POV: You just tore your bucking because you were trying to figure out how it worked now you need a new one so you ordered a Maple Leaf one
Lmao. Spot on my g
People tend to change the hop up unit instead of trying new buckings and nubs and that's a expensive 'mistake'. This tests prove that very well. Well it's time for me to test the Mr buckings specially the 60 and 70º, ty for the upload.
I’m new to airsoft what’s the difference between buckings and nubs and how can they improve performance?
@@farawesomecat4719 with hopup unit you refer to the hopup chamber, the big housing at the start of your barrel. Then you have the hopup bucking/rubber, which is an little rubber piece that you put around the barrel at the start, then you have your hopup nub, which is an very tiny piece which your hopup chamber presses against the hopup bucking to push that piece of rubber slightly on the inside of the barrel. This gives the BB an little spin which increases its range. This spin can be given with an bad consistency with certain products which alters the accuracy, but the more consistent quality you can get on your BB spin, the tighter grouping you will get.
What comment before said was right, in that the hopup chamber itself has not much to do with the effects of the hopup, it is simply an chamber which houses the nub and rubber that give the effect. What an hopup chamber can change however, is that like with some of the maxx hopup models you can see the BB's in the chamber due to an small piece of plexiglass, they create tracer units for the hopup with it instead of an tracer unit inside of an muzzle device (suppressor etc.). They also have an sort of locking system which prevents those pesky 3 BB's from falling out of your gun once you reload. But the best upgrade of the chamber it can bring is an more precise dialing of the hop.
Anyways, the hopup chamber is more of an thing to upgrade because of some gimmicky thing or QoL. The barrel, bucking and nub are the things that are all about accuracy.
@@zatoxz1513 Late to the party but just wanted to say thank you for the explaination, it's very helpful to me as a new comer. Thanks!
@@SteveL11 always happy to help^^
The only time a changed a hopup on my de because I couldn't get the stock chamber apart to change the nub but that's before I realized you are supposed to knock it out and drop it in which takes 1 million tries. I only use a ZCI chamber and a green Mr. It shoots 350. Ootb you want a 70 because that thing was 1.7j or 430 fps on a sbr and thats a m100.
Fantastic vídeo thanks.. i'm using in my ics dmr mmr a mr hop 80, and nub omega and i'm also really enjoying this bucking 2021 mr hop .. fantastic
Wow! This is a truly professional comparison.
Thanks for another fantastic video.
You are very welcome, and thank you so much
@reflex airsoft Very nice and informative video. Just wondering if have you tested on which setup has the longest effective range?
Hey man 😀 so I'm kinda lost in what to get ad far as barrel and bucking and hop up. I struggle getting my shots to stay consistent, I'm still using a stock gun. So I'm going to go through the seals on the gear box and make sure I get 99.999 percent seal. Then after that I'm going to be putting a new barrel bucking and hop up. I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT TO START WITH! What do you think of a 6.01 action army barrel? Combined with a 70 degree maple leaf black bucking?
Good work. Is the 2021 ML bucking silicone?
What are your f2 settings? Im trying to tune with the same set up and having slight problems getting it exactly right. And to see yours i can adjust from there. Many thanks
How did you keep your gun steady forvthe tests? I'm trying ro find a way to do it
I love your videos man. Keep this stuff coming. Gonna pick up a maple mr hop and barrel to do some testing myself. What nub where you using again? If I understand correct it’s the maxx hop up r hop nub
please be aware that the current batch of maple leaf barrels is having some QC issues, and if you go with the mr. hop please be aware that it performs best with .36 g bb and above, any lower, the super macron or begadi fly5 is better, and in general the begadi buckings works with a larger amount of barrel and nozzle combos :)
and it is the standard aluminium nub i use with the mr. (included in the maxx unit) but with eg. super macron i use the omega nub
Amazings tests! Do you now how a full Maple Leaf setup (ML Barrel,Omega nub,Macaron) compares with the Maxx hop, prommy barrel, Mr hop & Alu nub setup? I've jut got an MTW billet and the stock performance isn't very good, groupings are terrible. I'm looking for something I can put in without doing any modifications (such as filing things down).
I can definitely say the mr hop bucking and prommy barral go togehther perfectly I'm running that now. About the maxx hop up I can't say forsure as all my friends who have it get feed issues after its installed not sure why but none of the mags we use work. Mykrytac mags. My friends EMS mags hell even old Dboys stuff wont feed
So I'm not exactly clear here. I'll be ordering my prommy barrel and maple leaf bucking, which nub was the best in your testing? I couldn't make out what was written on the papers. Maybe because I just woke up and I'm still half asleep, but I didn't hear which nub was used for the tightest grouping.
Nm, I found the transcript. It's the omega nub with standard hop
Perhaps I missed it but what is the length of the barrel you are using?
Sadly the Maxx unit doesn't work in my VFC HK416 with the F2 inside because the alignment was way off. With the standard VFC hop unit the alignment was perfect. Because of your other video I decided to give the R hop arm for VFC (and G&G for in my PCC45) a try. Any chance of a test wih the r hop arm? Hopefully I get some nice results. Anyway, love your videos. Keep up the good work and I'll definitely return to wach more.
So do you want a vid with a shooting test of the cheap hop unit with the r-hop arm and mr hop?
And thank you very much ❤️
@@reflexairsoft4648 The shooting test itself wouldn't be necessary per sé, simply the results like this video of the cheap unit with r hop arm and mr hop vs the maxx with aluminium nub and mr hop would be really nice because you can hardly find any info or reviews on the r hop arm online.
You are right, there is very little info on that. Will do that 👍
@@reflexairsoft4648 Thanks a bunch man, if the results are good you might be able to save a lot of people a lot of money by going for the hop arm instead of the maxx unit.
Sure man anything for the community 👍
Could you make a video on installing the omega nub into the maxx hopup. Im newer to working on my own stuff just tackled building a kythera build and finsihed it but now trying to get my barrel setup ie maxx with omega nub and mr hop but havent looked into taking maxx apart
Do you know if the mr hop would work fine in a stock Vfc Avalon saber?
Which nub is the "alu" nub? and will that nub work in other chambers? i have a TM 416 wich needs new bucking and nub, but unsure wich one to get. the new 2021 bucking seems like a good choice but im unsure about nubs..., any tips? Great video btw :D
maxx unit has special alu nubs, they can fit only maxx chamber. I prefer maple leaf omega nubs.
The aluminium nub is exclusive for the maxx hop Unit and will only work in this, check out my vid on the maxx Unit.
To be fair TM buckings and nubs fit TM guns the best, but a maple leaf mr. hop or SUPER macron paired with the maple leaf omega nub is always a good point to start from 👍
And thank you so much
@@reflexairsoft4648 which one better mr rubber or macaron?
good day where you talk about the maxx hop up / alu nub and maple leaf bucking, is that the standard maxx hop up nub you are talking about???
Consider keeping your hands out if the canera view - kind of disturbing as they fly around.
great video, i´m using this setup:
Action army barrel,
maxx unit
Mr hop 60
omega Nub
just got it install yesterday, havent tested yet, should i go for the maxx nub for better results?
I think that first you should test the setup you are on right now. And then back to back test it with the maxx nub 😊 good setup btw
Let me know how it shoots. I’m planning to run that exact setup. And which bore of barrel are you running.
Best comparison video ever! Shame here in the netherlands we are not allowed heavier than .30 on assault and .40 on snipers
Thanks man, that is a very strange rule 😊
@@reflexairsoft4648 it was to prohibit joulecreep as the dutch airsoft association has determined the max energy transfer to a human beeing. All chrono is now done with .30 (sniper as well i know dont ask)
As that seems fair, but joules are joules, the field I go to (mostly) they will have a max joule, and its chronoed with your mag and bb weight, that being .20 or .36 the joules need to be 1.69 for 0m distance. I love that
@@reflexairsoft4648 yes that would be ideal but they feared people lying about bb weight or switch for chrono.. guess they dont believe in a gentlemens game
Well to be fair we sometimes have sample test of this, where the players bbs are weighed at the field 👍
great test
currently I am using the same setup
MAXX unit with maxx rhop nub
MR Hop 60°
ZCI Barrel
Do these mr hop nubs work with stock hop units?
I have a zci barrel with a vfc avalon mp5.
@@away8886 its like normal bucking, it works with standard H Units
for MR Hop bucking, most of the type people use ML Omega nub
@@HunterM6 ok thank you, saw someone say it only worked with MAXX units.
What kind of alu nub are you using?
Which aluminium nub did you use?
Just finished testing with MAXX ME, Maxx 4.5mm cnc nub, ML MR Hop 2021 60, 6.03 steel prometheus barrel in my MTW with Inferno Gen2 and shots were all over the place at 15m. Next I think I'm going to try the same but with a Macaron and omega instead.
Do you have the “wobble spacer” in you mtw?
@@reflexairsoft4648 My friend has 3d printed one for me, however I have yet to go and pick it up. I will keep you notified on my findings! :)
I know from others that it helps their mtw with maxx units alot, so fingers crossed for you 😊
was it ok with the std hop? I have just put all those parts in bar the maxx
@@boonieairsoft did u pick it up yet
So, Mr hop silicone or super macaron silicon? Thank you!!!
Set up question, for a DMR I’m planning on going budget, with a cyma platinum sr-25. So would a Maxx hop up with r hop arm and Mr. hop bucking work good. I don’t know what barrel to use but will refinish the bore. And also I will improve the air seal in the gearbox to improve accuracy at range.
Actually the gun is out of stock so A&K ns15 with 509mm barrel
Sorry never had an A&K gun, so cant really tell what will work with that hop unit, but here is my advice:
Run it with the standard hop unit, and modify the standard bucking to flat hop(see my cheap gun vid) or get the modify(brand) bucking in “hard” and an omega or firefly nub, and some heavy bbs. And see where you are at👍
Thanks will do
Do you know anything about the G&G g2 gearbox. I’m going to get a Maxx unit with Mr hop bucking but don’t know what base to go off of and I don’t have the money for HPA. I might just buy a springer sniper rifle if I have too for good accuracy.
The g&g g2? If its in a g&g, then you should ve good, and the g&g hop Unit is better in a g&g gun than a maxx if you use the maple leaf omega nub just be aware that the maxx Unit dont just drop into any gun and perform better than the standard Unit by default
Best video explain ever
Wow!
verry nice comparo you use 4,5mm alu or 6mm alu in maxx unit ?
Always 4.5mm as default
@@reflexairsoft4648 I tested the 6mm this afternoon not testing the 4.5mm like the prometheus window and rather large I tested the 6mm to impress with the precision and consistency of the shots. I am at 340fps at 0.40bb and Mr hop 60 ° yellow. I think 60 ° and really the right ratio to my bb and fps I have 70 ° too but it shoots so well that I don't even think to test. it’s so much better than the omega tensioner !!! Thank you very much for your test again, it made me want to test and I do not regret it at all !!!
Meaple leaf inner barrel 370mm 6.02, mr hop up 70° and omega nub is the best configuration for a vfc vr16 saber carbine ? I shoot at
382 fps-117M/S - 1.7Joule
I would say you are good to go 👍
@@reflexairsoft4648 so for you 70º for this speed (382 fps with 0.25 ) it’s ok, or I have to buy a 60º or 75º
@@Sabboairsoft either or will work you may find better groupings with a 70 that's personally what I use when I had those specs before I went dmr spec
I don't know if I missed it but at what range was this?
32m indoors in a vice
Hope it would work on my JBU barrel
I sure do hope that MR will work in my Arcturus AK-12k
Hi bro. Have you tried mr hop in your ak12?
What is Alu nub. Any link? Does it have soft padding? Very interested.
Its the standard nub on the maxx hop up Unit 😊
@@reflexairsoft4648 can the Alum nub be purchased separate, or do I have to purchase the Maxx hop up unit?
So why does a steel nub result in better grouping in the maple leaf?
It’s comes down to variation… a metal
Nub won’t change shape… so the only variation will be in the silicone bucking itself… Metal nubs should be better across all builds.
what decent 6.03 barrell would anyone recommend that wont break the bank for the mr hop 2021
Lambda. Pretty sure they're compatible but not 100%
I was told to use the 70° for my aeg, why does it seem like everyone is using a 60°?
Whats your setup my guy?
@@reflexairsoft4648 vfc Avalon shooting right around 400, stock brass barrel. Pretty sure it's 6.03. Maxx me hop, maple leaf Mr. Hop 70°. I'm using .32s btw. Haven't chronoed with them yet. But I'm getting great results outside. haven't been able to test it inside yet.
Also I switched to the alum nub today, I was using a maple leaf concave nub and noticed an improvement with the alum
In this setup it would be ok to run 70, the reason i run 60 in a similar setup is bc i live where the weather in summer can be 16-30 degrees so the 60 fairs better with the low temp, but yeah 30degrees temps i would prefer the 70.
Also note, the 60 wears Down alot faster than 70. 60 would have around 50k shots in them and 70 more close to 100k
@@reflexairsoft4648 thanks for the info! Yes it is warm here
Will the reg maple leaf work in my krytac spr
The maple leaf barrel?
@@reflexairsoft4648 maple leaf bucking. I was gonna flat hop it
Why would you do that? The maple leaf from the super macron to the mr series are better than flat hop 😊
@@reflexairsoft4648 I'm not getting the super or Mr. Just the regular maple leaf and ima flat hop it. It's too late now its shipped
Then its fine, normally when i flat hop I just take a dirt cheap standard bucking and do it.
But yeah normally the ml buckings fits Nice in the standard krytac hop unit 👍
Distance 34m? Useless tests...