MR Hop vs Rhop | BEST Airsoft Hop? | AATV EP207
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2022
- This week Anvil tests whether a Maple Leaf MR Hop is better than an Psionic Upgrades (Psi Hop) Rhop setup for your Airsoft replica.
The Maple Leaf setup uses a Maxi Pro Hop, ML MR Hop (yellow), Omega Nub and a Madbull Black Python 6.03 Barrel.
The Rhop barrel is by Psionic Upgrades, it arrived with the Patch in place and all other parts supplied other than the hop unit. The same Madbull Black Python 6.03 barrel is used.
All Airsoft replicas are used in a safe manner on an approved range. Appropriate eye protection and safety procedures were followed at all times
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What hop set up do you use?
super macaron + omega nub. Just works
Modify X-range best bucking for me and my GBBR´s, if i can't find them in stock, then i use ML Autobot bucking, a loot better than MR bucking if you ask me . Except my GHK AK wiht ML hopup unit it use a Hot shoot bucking made for the GHK hopup unit.
For a year I've been running the Begadi Fly 5. Maple Leaf style rubbers but better made and cheaper. I've just set up in my ICS m1 a Fly 7 on a Da Vinci Akaishi 70 brarrel, this combo makes wonders on .36's et .40's! You should give it a go.
I'm using a prommy purple flat hop and nub on my sr25. Getting same lift on 0.32s but easily 5m more range than the previous standard green G&G rubber/ nub with more consistently
Funnily enough, I use a Psyonics Rhop in my TM NGRS and the techy that did the job was no other than Phil Bucknell.
Love these man, I wish there was an Airsoft gun range like that where I live.
There aren’t many!
Great video. I have a Mr Hop rubber in the matching Maple leaf 6.02mm barrel and its fantastic. Trued one in a 6.03 barrel with a standard window and it was all over the place. If you are going to use Mr. Hop then use the barrel to match it. Other wise use an R hop. A macron and omega nub are our go to combination usually for standard barrels
I got the ML barrel. It got worse!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV oh no. Maybe I got lucky 🤣🤣🤣
I'm planning to do something simmular to this video. I have a Mr hop rubber in a VFC 416 aeg with a Maple leaf inner barrel, but the spread of BBs is very large. I'm wondering how it'll compare to your results
Hey, how did you manage to fit the MR hop bucking (taking in consideration the patch shape and size) with the Madbull barrel (Since the window is designed for buckings with smaller contact patch)???
it fitted straight in, patched seemed to drop into the window in the barrel without any issues.I've since tried a ML barrel and got worse results!
What kind of nub were you using with the psi hop and the mr hop? Just curious because I had a well made and fitted r hop that I installed in a lambda 6.01 and the performance with a concave nub was not even close to the performance I achieved with a 70 degree MR hop silicone bucking with the same nub…. I think the nub seems to play a big part in getting the most out of a particular hop setup and of course the barrel as well since some barrels don’t have a correctly shaped/sized window to make use of the mr hop bucking.
Omega Nub in the Maple Leaf and Psionics own nub in the Psi Hop. I’ve ordered a Maple Leaf AEG barrel so we’ll see if that’s makes a difference.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV okay, thanks so much for the quick reply, yeah maybe the mr hop will work better with a ml barrel, worked out great for me with a lambda barrel, which was kind of a surprise since they honestly don’t have the largest window, especially compared to the maple leaf barrels.
I like maple leaf buckings, but as they dont work in all set ups, I still prefer a flat hopped prommy purple.
I’m totally the same.
Excellent video as always Tom!!! Putting the science into airsoft and removing the BS.
A possible progression for this would be how good is an MR hop in a ghk? Or possibly a video idea could be the best hopup rubber for a ghk m4 base platform.
My GHK has a Maple leaf hop, barrel. and rubber in. It would be interesting to go side to side with a stock one. The Archwick has a A-plus unit so that’s not stock either.
I think the MR hop is a good rubber, with some caveats. You need to find a barrel that works well with it, ideally one that has a large window, as well as a hop chamber that likes the rubber as well.
It's not as simple as drop it in and get amazing results, but once you find a good barrel and hop unit to pair with it you've got a good setup, without the hassle of gluing patches to a barrel. However Rhops are still king!
I agree, they get touted as a drop in fix, but in reality need a combination of other parts to work well. I had a nightmare getting this one to work. the Maxx unit was the 6th I tried.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV the problem you have is the Mr hop bucking is designed to work with the maple leaf 6.02mm AEG barrel and crazy jet barrel
Had issues at the weekend with my mates wolverine MTW it had a zci barrel but everything else was the same as my gun it wouldn't work. Mine I'm popping people at 65-70m with 0.40g bb's at 1.1j no problems, it really annoys the snipers lol
I can appreciate that. I don’t like that they’ve engineered their system to only really work with their own products but I can understand it from a commercial and engineering perspective. I might come back to it with one of their own barrels at some point.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV they are pretty cheap £25-£30 for the AEG barrel
I’ll see if the Patreons are up for it.
Had issues with the Mr Hop Silicone due to the bucking lips being too soft and therefor jamming on full auto, Super Macaron is imo a better option when having the same issue...
The amount of people telling me they’ve had issues with ML Hop rubbers!
Just curious is your TM NGRS mk18 shimmed ? Sounds really quite with the Warhead motor
Yeah I did it. This is a custom built G&P though that I put together.
Prommy 6.03 500mm, standard hop up unit, rhop and custom flat nub in a TM m14
Thanks
good day how did you get the maple leaf bucking to work with the maxx hop up cant for the life of me get it to shoot straight
Gave up in the end. Bought a maple leaf barrel for it too and lost a load of power.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV jip me too! would you say flat hop or rhop would be the way to go? would that work in the maxx hopup?
Is that just the camera view? why are the bbs flying from right to the left? Should they not go just straight up and lift with r hop?
Yeah camera is slightly off to my side plus I’m compensating for wind somewhat.
My go to is Maple leaf marcon 50 degree and omega nub and I've no complaints - but we are limited to 1 joule on the Emerald Isle so I dont think I need anything better
Probably even more a case of diminishing returns on a 1J limit.
Maxx hop have tight tolerances so if your nozzle is not bang on centre inside the hop it won’t preform well.
More reasons why it’s not the plug and play solution that many tout it as being.
I wonder which hop arm you use on the maxx. Cause i've found their 'special' 2 are worthless. If you use the standerd hop arm with a omega nub i've found that the consistency improves vastly.
Currently running 3 of em 2 in hpa and one in aeg.
Standard arm. Omega Nub. The inconsistencies are probably down to my installation or parts incompatibility but that reinforces the point for me.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV its tricky to get them dialed in and i've found that the are very picky with barrel types.
Iff you get them all to work together you get great results, but getting there is a decent amount of work.
Also as a addendum 1 of my max has a rhop the other 2 have the maple leaf 60 *
Super macrons.
Have yet to test the mr hop ones.
That’s the impression I’m getting from the comments. I did suspect as such given the pain it was just finding a compatible hop unit.
Honestly, I'm having amazing results from some CYMA hop up rubbers I've acquired. They are almost a W hold type and are noticeably better than all the ML rubbers I've used (not barrel fussy either) No idea of the longevity but they are working well.
what cyma rubberyou think works best??
@@milanstanimirovic1371 no idea I haven't been able to find them since!
@@RuffsTV ah damn, no worries guess I'll stick with Mr hop😂😂
While I appreciate the demonstration, I can't help thinking there's a point of diminishing returns.
I managed 57m with .25s at around 1.12J with a Systema hop rubber and a white H hop, this was when I was in my really nerdy phase calculating the actual volume of the cylinder that was swept by the o-ring and the barrel volume ratio and about 2 years before G hop (precursor idea to flat hop and R hop) came out of Japan.
This was on a similar range (50-100m outdoor .22 range) and shot prone, no hold over.
So while it's technically impressive to get up to 13m more, I'd be interested to see if we can start getting measures of time to impact, or how many hits out of 10 can be made on targets moving left/right at set speeds at set distances. Or even just an visualization of how much hold over is needed, because while Airsoft does have its own quirks I broadly expect not to have use hold over unless what I'm shooting at is being an absolute slug and has a poor chance of getting out of the way of a lobbed shot.
Feels almost like an Airsoft analogue to what went on in the world of small arms - yes we have range but at what range are most of the hits actually being made? This is obviously seguing into max range vs effective range but for our plastic muskets it doesn't seem to have moved on much from about 55m.
Some interesting points, I agree that max range is just one aspect, what distance people zero for is another. Hold over in both cases is around 1-2 targets high, or in real terms if aiming for the head the BB would strike the legs. What I find especially with heavier BBs is that increasing max range also pushes out effective range. In the case of the PSI hop its 50-60m (so as you say about 55m) depending on conditions. Its up to the user whether that's worth it, plus the increased cost in using sniper grade heavy ammo.
What these upgrades really do is allow AEGs to use better and heavy ammo without loosing too much energy. Time to target is over 1 second past 50m. I can work out the flight time for the70m .36g PSI hop shot.
Through testing most stock UK AEGs get about 50-55m max and 30-40m effective at 1.1J. I'm going to show the real accuracy & range differences in an upgraded and stock AEG soon.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Will keep an eye out for it - for me the metric I worked to was if I could put 10/10 shots in semi or as a burst into a piece of portrait A4 at 50-60m aiming for the middle of it (target frame was roughly torso size, taped some lining paper to it, spray painted it black, stuck white A4 in the middle, spray a black dot in the middle for a point of aim), that may not be the absolute maximum range but meant that as long as there was an A4 'corridor' between me and the target I'd pretty sure of my capability to hit it.
With Saturday and Sunday skirmishing I found that most engagements happened at 30-40m, having a gun tuned so you could start effectively harassing/hitting people at a distance where if they started having to lob BBs back there's were stalling out of the sky a few feet short of you or were so lazily travelling through the air by the time they got near you it was a relaxed affair getting out of the way.
With film/milsim I suspect it depends on site/sight lines - one of the most naff things I've experienced is having to advance across 100m of open ground with both sides lobbing fire at one another until we got within 70m and it was like dodging rain drops.
Still, nice to see proof that no one is making 100m shots at 1.1ish J !
One of my big bugs is sites with ranges that exceed max/effective range of most AEGs. It’s a bit immersion breaking waving at each other or watching people try and hit you using the old airsoft BB mortor. I think there’s quite a lot of common ground between airsoft and real shooting if you divide all the distances by 10. 10m airsoft being 100m in real shooting. That puts the average engagement in airsoft at 30-40m compared to 300m in real.
Longest vaguely sensible repeatable shot I have on camera is 90m using a 2J bolt action with .48g BB.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV That's about right in there being some degree of 'compression' in the game, years ago when the standard/lo/mid/real cap flamewars were on someone proposed a '1:3' ratio e.g. if a stanag mag irl was 30 rounds then 90-100 rounds would be about right if you wanted a balance between realism and not having to refill 6 mags every 20 minutes in a regular open day. Actual range x 10 for a measure of the impact of that distance on accuracy/shift in point of aim-impact is about right.
The super heavy weight BBs really have helped push the 'snipers' out a bit further and I'm glad to see that as the only things heavier than .43s for a while were some ceramic .66 things from the US.
I remember the 1:3 days. I think at this point given the availability of decent heavy ammo you can happily do a Filsim/milsim on 1:1. Doing that at a skirmish is a challenge but I enjoy it. You have to be much more careful about when you open fire and be sure of your shot.
Stock cyma chamber, prommy purple shark rubber & nub, python barrel. About £40 investment for more than enough performance for the majority of UK woodland sites
Most of my replicas have a flat hopped prommy purple and a firefly nub.
Does both hop chambers had the same hop arm, shape?
No I tried to use the same hop unit for both systems but the MR hop didn’t work.
Can certainly understand the draw of the shiny. Had retro arms and Maxx units in the past. These days tend to use stock or rotary Krytac units. Good video. Seems like the Rhop set ups still have plenty to offer.
Rhops are fiddly and problematic to do yourself , I’ve seen some very poor attempts by techs to instal them too. The drop in barrels and kits I have were very convenient. The appeal of a system like maple leaf is that if your buy their, barrel, rubber, nub and a compatible Hop Unit you are pretty much sure of getting decent results.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Fair point as regards shoddy tech work. The likes of elvishtac and snipetor pre cut Rhop patches are a handy option though. Yeah if you're going from scratch, the maple leaf offerings are tempting. If on the other hand you have a nice PDI or EDGI barrel would probably take the Rhop route.
Did u break in the r hop and mr hop before u shot the tests? There is a break in period. If not this video wasnt very accurate as to what these setups can do. Not tryna sound mean ive just experienced better results once the bucking or patch has been broke in like a baseball glove
Hey thanks for commenting. I put 600+ BBs through the MR set-up in the workshop before we did the testing. The Psi Hop has had similar. I’ve had chats with other RUclipsrs and a lot of us have had similar results. Not as advertised.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV ahh I was told it was 5,000 rounds. For me mr hop double fed but that was because of my redline hpa engine being bucking picky. Have you tried the super macaron bucking? I wonder how it would perform. Also thanks for the reply!
I’ve given up on them to be honest other than the GHK kit I had in my L119A2 build which was pretty good right out of the box but that was hop unit, barrel and rubber. I did end up probably putting another 2000-3000 BBs through this without much improvement and then bought an ML barrel to see if that made a difference. That didn’t work at all so it didn’t film it.
I am starting to use MRHop but it is critical to fit it to the hop window. Most OE and aftermarket barrels are not compatable so this may not be a realistic test. The mapleleaf hop is designed to fit mapleleaf barrels. Some ZCI barrels fit out of the box but everything else needs to be hand modded to fit properly. The issue is the length and depth of the hop cut and width of the barrel bridge are critical. If the are not correct it will not perform correctly.
I’ve got a maple leaf AEG barrel to re test it on. It does illustrate the point your making that it needs a set of parts to potentially work well and isn’t a drop in hop rubber fix.
Its a shame ML dont give guidence on this as its so critical. A drawing of the best hop window prifile would help. Also as with all moulded rubber parts they have a residue on the surface that can take a hicaps worth of bbs put through them bed it in and get the right friction characteristics.
Yup. Poorly documented by ML. We find you need 300-600 BBs for any hop to ‘bed in’ and start working properly. It’s all setup now with the new ML AEG barrel so we’ll get to the range soon and see what difference it makes.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Did this video ever come out in the end? Keen to see!
it was worse with the ML barrel with a large loss in power. So I've given up with it for now, maybe come back to it in the summer.
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yeah you loose J-s on heavier á because inner barrel too lon*
Might be interesting to see a similar thing with rubbers in the scorpion Evo as I’m a fan boy as most of our team are. I’m sure Gadge can help you out there!?
I Enjoy the video nonetheless. 👍
Gadge no longer works for ASG!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV agreed on EVO smg though, mine shoots 65-70meter stock though on 0.28gr bb bio from asg and like it
My best results I've gotten with a hop patch made from sugru. But it's so much work for a few percent better performance. I just use a G&G green in most setups 😂
The best thing with sugru tho is that you could probably lift a 1g BB with ease, since you can lift the heaviest BBs we have to go straight up. So you really need very little pressure to get very good hop spin.
I’ve tried making Rhop patches in a few ways. The drop in ones I use are a great compromise.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Yeah, and if you are only doing one or two barrels that is the way to go. But when I did do sugru rhops I made all mine and all my friends barrels at once, so between 20-30 barrels, and that used up like half a package of sugru, so when doing lots of barrels it is much more economical.
My problem with s hop patches is they only last about 1000 shots but its fine in a bolt action because youbarent putting nearly as many rounds down range.
@@darkshock42mlg05 Not with sugru, it's quite durable. I ran it in my tippmann with 0,32 g BBs and got closer to 10K rounds before I had to change it.
@@darkshock42mlg05 As I said, my problem with s-hop is how little you benefit compared with a G&G green bucking with the amount of work it still needs to make and set up.
Please test Modify X-range! This is the major competitor to the MR hop for bolt actions. You’d be the only channel to do it properly!
I don’t have a bolt action!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Long range DMR like this will do then! You finally be able to put to rest the endless forum debates because you’d do it properly!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV the VSR type is what’s used in GBBs. Supposedly the modify ones give a excellent nozzle seal on gbb.
Maybe someone on the forums should get down to the range and film it. It’s really not that hard to do. I can’t do every request. 1) it costs money including fuel and the items involved 2) videos have to appeal to a reasonably wide audience for RUclips to share them properly. Maybe if I start a bolt action springer series.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I think there would be a lot of appetite for a bolt action series. I think generally speaking they are the RIFs people try to perfect the most and expect the best accuracy/consistency from, so every component matters. Like you say, there is a lot of discussion, but very little objective evidence of which components/hop works best. You’d definitely be the channel to do it properly and I think lots of people would be interested!
Maxx ME pro, omega nub, ML 60 silicone MR bucking, Zci 275mm steel inner barrel,
I had a lot of feeding problems in my Specna edge with few different hop units and also jamming problems with ML buckings UNTIL I invested in the maxx hop up unit, they have a lot of negative reviews and issues but it actually solved problems in my case and also is a solid unit
Thanks for the info.
Guys. What is the BEST combo using 0.28 bbs and being limited to 350 fps at 0.20 (1.14j)?
The best I’ve personally used is a Psionics Uogrades Psi Hop.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV psionic rhop doesn't need at least 0.30 bbs? Can you give me more details about parts? Bucking,nub... Thanks a lot!
Just check out their website. Otherwise pay me for consultancy.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV i Will check their website.
280fps with 0.32g ? That is soooo weak? Mine is 415 avg fps with 0.32g .... does the UK have very strict airsoft laws ?
1.2J max for full auto capable, 2.5J for semi/bolt action.
That chrono on the .32s is the max we are allowed for a .28 here
Your site has a 1J limit?
@@MBKill3rCat yes everywhere on the island of Ireland has a 1 joule limit unfortunately
@@craighutchison5258 Ah, sucks
@@MBKill3rCat I mean, its better than nothing but i'd like even just 1.2 joule.
Means every gun here is the same, sniper rifles and hand guns the same limit
@@craighutchison5258 In the UK, legal limit is 1.3J, but site limits are almost always 1.13J (350 fps with .20g) for non-snipers. 1.2J is actually pretty high by airsoft standards, you'd probably have to go to the States for that.
I have just bought Maple leaf crazy jet barrel and Maple leaf wonder rubber (which is basicly Autobot without the outer rubber locking nub) for my VFC 416A5 GBBR. Haven't tested it yet.
Maxx unit 👉🗑️
Blue specna arms polymer rotary unit 👌
UK site limits you to 1 joule????????? That seems like a bad time. We have AR's at 1.5 and DMR's at 1.86 at my fields. I cant imagine trying to get range out of a gun shooting 1j lol
Most allow 1.14J for auto capable. Bolt action to around 2.2-2.5J DMRs vary a lot depending on site. We have legal limits in the UK that define Airsoft Guns so sites generally stay below those by a safe margin to avoid any potential issues.
The joule limitations in the UK are too low..
Maybe but they were set by the government following ballistic testing in labs.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yea, I know. But these ballistic test should've been done by someone without passion and understanding of the hobby
In my opnion, hopping heavy bb needs to have a higher FPS and longer inner barrel.
Not needed.
But but rHoPs aRe A giMMiCk fRoM BedROoM tEcHs
Literally read a comment from Negative airsoft saying this
I've been running rhops for years and by far they are the best hopping system when done right
Far better flight path. Hops heavier weights easier