Psi-hop/r-hop .28g 299fps 63m .32g 278fps 70m .36g 266fps 74m .40g 230fps 65m Flat-hop .28g 291fps 60m .32g 258fps 64m .36g 254fps 65m Standard Hop .28g 288fps 60m .32g 266fps 61m .36g 252fps 58m Great work, great test My only concern with this test is that even the best inner barrel manufacturers dont always have consistent results with every barrel. It seems even the best after market barrel benefits from lappin/polishing. However the results are clear and obvious that Rhop is the best and that flathop is significantly better than stock. Thankyou @Anvil Airsoft TV for this test @15:10 is that a butterfly trying to show us the flight of the BB?
Great video. Second one I’ve watched and you really do present a very clear image of what’s happened and it’s nice to come away feeling very confident in what I’ve just seen. You really should have more subs with the effort you are putting in.
Thanks James. Just takes lots of time to do. I’m looking forward to doing the accuracy video with these barrels. I’ll get the down scope camera fired up to show you all the different spreads and trajectory results
Thanks Tom for the care and professionalism with which you made this video! Finally, the real distances that can be reached by our AEGs can be established with certainty without estimating or approximating the distances! The comparison of the three systems (standard / flat / R-hop) and the optimal weight of the BBs used is also reflected in the table on our website in the "weight / power" guide section. In fact, a too small mass, in proportion to the power and the platform (AEG, GBB, VSR) is not able to accumulate a lot of energy, while an excessive weight of the BBs absorbs too much energy at the time of the hop. The correct and best performing weight is between the two extremes. Furthermore, the quality of the inner barrel also has a significant influence. look forward to the next videos!
Superb video. Must admit that it was the range videos that got me watching the channel. Switched to 0.28g BBs for the post lockdown games and noticed a significant improvement in performance. Have also toyed around with 0.30g in the back yard and been impressed by the results. Going by this video, feel compelled to give the 0.32 open blasters a go. Keep up the good work and look forward to the next video.
Had great results with .32s a flat hop and 6.03 barrel,shooting flat out to 55 meters I prefer this to getting more range by drop off as I skirmish in woodland. Best of luck with your bb's
Really enjoyed this video. The message I took was that as you used better and better hop systems, you lost less energy to hop a given weight which meant the bb had more energy to reach further ranges. It'd be interesting to see the effect of purely the hop units by using a HPA system were for each hop system, you tune the FPS to be 1.30J +/- a few fps. I suspect in this case the range would be roughly the same and it would be the accuracy that differs.
That sounds about right. There’s no magic fairy dust involved. It also means you can use heavier BBs which can take more backspin. There was a little bit of joule creep with the .36g as well by the looks of it.
the range varies according to the power and weight of the BB but also according to the platform (AEG, GBB, HPA). with 1.30J of power you can easily reach 80-85 meters. in Italy the limit is 1J and on average we reach between 60 and 70 meters with 0.30gr based on the platform and the replica upgrades (air tight group, correct air flows, perfect synchrony, proportionate air volumes, inner barrel etc ..). the real advantage of higher power is that it allows you to use heavier BBs that greatly improve accuracy. in addition, the traditional system provides that with a single element, the bucking, you make both air tightness and rotate the BB. however this binds you to use "medium" materials that can perform both tasks simultaneously well but not very well. with the R-hop systems, on the other hand, you separate the air seal that makes the bucking which can be of a material designed to make air seal and the patch that gives rotation to the BB which is designed with materials that have particularly effective friction indexes. in this way the system is more efficient and allows you significantly higher performances even with the same power etc ..
Great video and so far, proven my thoughts that for rhop over flat hop, you need to be using heavy bbs, if like me you dont want to go over. 28s due to costs etc, then flat hop seems to be just as good as rhop(4m less). Looking forward to seeing accuracy.
Tend to agree Brian. If you aren’t going to use .32 or .36 there isn’t a huge difference. I’m quite looking forward to doing the accuracy and flight path trials
You said that the 0.32g BBs are faster than the 0.36g ones. But you have to consider something: When you chrono a BB, you only measure the speed it has when it leaves the barrel. Heavier BBs sustain their speed much better than lighter ones, so at a certain distance they will actually be faster again than lighter ones. Meaning that at long ranges, they might actually reach their target faster than the lighter ones. Would be interesting (but difficult) to measure. Heavier BBs are also less influenced by wind and obstacles like branches and leaves, which can also be a huge advantage. Also a question: Which kind of tensioners did you use? Tensioners have a huge impact on performance of the bucking. You can only really get everything out of a long hop up patch or a r-hop, if the tensioner has the same length and presses it down perfectly.
Hence the caption on that segment that says a lighter BB will be faster over shorter distances. There’s a whole video on the channel called time to target that covers just that using the Attacksense targets as we could measure the time from when the BB was fired to when it struck the target. .36g did get to the 50m target faster but was slower to the shorter targets.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for your fast response. I didn't know you already tested that, pretty cool! Something else to consider though: AEGs are limited by their cylinder volume. If the barrel is too long, it might accelerate lighter BBs to the end of the barrel, but heavier ones, as they take more time to take up the energy, might only get accelerated half way through the barrel before the air pressure from the cylinder is gone. What I want to say with this is: Your test is basically only applicable to your particular rifle setup (Spring, cylinder volume, barrel length and diameter). A rifle with the same barrel length as in the video but a bigger cylinder for example will very likely perform better with .40g or even heavier BBs. Of course the hop up also has a huge impact on range and accuracy (which is the topic of this video), but I think it is also important to mention the different other factors that come into play here, so people can better understand what relationship there is between certain components of their rifle and how changing one thing might affect the other. Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that you do tests like this to educate airsofters on certain topics, but I also think it is important to give them some theory behind this. If you already did a video on this, sorry, I am still new to the channel ^^ It would also be interesting to do a test like this with a GBBR, as they function pretty different. While AEGs, like stated above, only have a limited supply of air pressure, a GBBR will continue to accelerate the BB until it leaves the barrel. Because of that, GBBRs perform very well with heavy BBs. I hope you perceive my comment as constructive criticism, as I really don't intend to bash your content or something like that. Sadly english isn't my mother tongue, so it often is hard to precisely say what I want to, without risking to come across as arrogant or like a know-it-all. So, keep up the good work and have a nice day!
Hey no worries. Thanks for commenting. I tend to try and only cover one aspect in a video to avoid confusing the general audience. My normal videos aren’t really intended or pitched for people with a more specialised knowledge such as yourself though I hope I make them entertaining enough for everyone to enjoy. It is indeed important for people to match cylinder volume to barrel volume. The ratio does differ depending on what weight ammo is going to be used and isn’t as critical as some people tend to think. I don’t have extensive experience with GBBRs, HPA, DMRs and spring snipers so I wouldn’t want to present a video without having the facts or footage to back up what I’m saying. We’re thinking about doing a livestream or long format video where we cover a lot of BB ballistic myths and facts so I’ll add what you’ve said to the list of things to discuss. Thanks for watching and look out for the next instalment in this series.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV It definately is a good idea to cover one topic at a time to not overwhelm people with information, but maybe a short intro in which you summarize the relationship between cylinder volume, spring power and barrel length and diameter of an AEG would have been a nice. Without really going into detail this could be done in just a few minutes. The important thing here is to get people to actually think about it, from there I think it is all pretty logical. But for sure a Livestream would of course be a better platform for discussing the whole topic more in depth and giving the viewers the possibility to directly ask questions. I am looking forward to it!
Great video as always mate, do you think youll ever do a barrel comparison video of a few of the main brands ? would be good to see when you have your scope recording setup
Cost is the big barrier there. Buying a few quality barrels and hop rubbers/bucking just isn’t feasible at the moment. I’d like to do it so I could maybe build up a collection over time and several projects.
Thank you for the time and effort you put in on your videos. I really enjoy these ones most of all as there's bags of useful information,so it really is all about getting a good back spin then?
Good vid to finally put the self proclaimed airsoft physics experts in their place. That MK16 is fast on full auto, but the trigger response on semi seems quite sluggish, I thought all you guns were running Gate Titans?
About half have a TiTan or similar in them. You’re hearing the gearbox back wind a bit after firing as the stock G&P bevel gear only has two positions for the anti-reversal latch. Plus it wasn’t in precock mode.
I could do but there are so many variables to take into account like nubs, hop units, barrels, BBs and power that it would probably end up being pretty meaningless.
I've got a ton of ASG Devil 0.3 bb's and they're good. Heard a lot of good things about Valkyrie bb's, so I bought some 0.32 ones and I am impressed. Using in my TM Sopmod recoil (Upgraded gears and sping only to get it to 350fps) and my Bolt M16A4 recoil yesterday..they really did reach out there and flew very well. I need to go back to Thurlaston myself and test them side by side.... I have quite a few thousand(s) of both to use... :)
They are on a par with the other decent premium BBs on the market. What works best for you will depend on your individual setup. Some hop rubbers grip different levels of BB polish for example.
Great video, great review and in my opinion, best technically comments (discussion). I searched channel for video with scopecam for BBs, to check accuracy and path of BBs, did I missed or you did not upload it yet? Thanks
I use a mirrorless camera with a 200m zoom lens rather than a scopecam. There’s a few instances on the channel. I’ve done a lot on taiwanguns channel though.
Good question. I should have said. All have at around 1000 BBs through prior to filming. I emptied 3 midcaps out of each barrel. I’ll add it to the description.
Did you installed a Closed cylinder beforehand? Otherwise your not gonna have enough airvolume for the heavy bbs and thats why the velocity drops so hard.
Just getting into airsoft myself and trying to get the most accuracy/consistency I can. Question I have is when you say your setting your hop, your just trying to get as flat a trajectory as you can for the weight of the BB right?
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I would love the range, but consistency and accuracy are what I’m more going for. Current have a new bucking and flat hop nub coming in, for M14 EBR. In a few months I’m going to go HPA so looking to get a longer barrel and Rhop as well then.
Grate test. Does the RHop just suck less energy from the bb then the flat hop ? If Tom could make his aeg shoot the same fps with both the Rhop and the Flat hop would there be any difference in them? other then the Rhop being more efficient. I understand that wasnt the point of the test I'm just curious.
Basically yes. It uses less energy to apply the backspin. As to the second part it would be interesting to try and set both to the same fps. I think I would really need an HPA rig to do it though as you would end up changing both hop and power settings to get it setup properly for each test.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for the reply :) . Thats good to know. I'm planning to get back into airsofting, its been over 10 years since I last went and some things have changed. I think for me personally installing a flat hop would be a better option, I assume I will get slightly less shots out of my battery then if I used an R Hop but probably not even very noticeably. My plan is to install a flat hop and use an sp120 spring fire a 2-3k bbs then reduce the fps to uk standards :) . On a side note I didnt mean the second part of my question as a criticism it
I am kinda late late to this party guys , but have to say GREAT VIDEO! Just one question though. Was the AEG kind of optimized for heavier bbs? ( talking about cyl-barrel volume and piston weight) I did notice a bit of positive joule creep with the heavy ones
That’s an Angry Gun Mk16 Handguard. It’s a replica of the Geissele Mk16 used on the US URGI. I’ve also got the correct Madbull Daniel Defence 14.5” midlength gas system outer barrel on it. It’s a lovely gun to handle and shoot.
I have a question: Just how much air is actually being released per shot behind these BB's? My understanding is the electric piston and gear box is a fairly efficient system and as such, doesn't actually need much air to discharge these rounds.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV installed maple leaf super macaron 75 with omega delayer and the range dropped to 45m. Returned the stock rubber and kept the omega delayer and range was 60m.
@@zedex.4987 alright will do even though I was told 75 is perfect for 2j. What hardness do you suggest for 2j? In the future I will bring the sr25 to 2,3j as the max field rule
@@AnvilAirsoftTV With M4 with Madbull Stell Barrel and R-HOP 75-80 But with M70AB2 LCT replica 1.4-1.5 Joules and newer hop up unit and madbull stell and r-hop 80-90m!
@@AnvilAirsoftTV lol that’s my problem, can confirm PDI 6.05 is better than 6.01 for accuracy but those TNT barrels are so expensive to get to the US atm but heard they are better
psionic-upgrades.com/R-HOP-KIT-c115563798 I’m using the Madbull Barrel kit though others are available. The kit contains everything you need apart from the barrel.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV do you have experience using psihop kits with better barrels? What were the results with ones under 50$? Also I really appreciate that you still respond to comments, it's extremely respectable and out of this world helpful, I'm so tired of techs that lie to your face and prove nothing.
I’ve used it in madbull and promethius barrels. There really wasn’t much difference between the two. The Prometheus one was maybe a hair more accurate. I don’t know about getting a psi-hop kit in the USA. Maybe worth dropping Psionics an email or message. They have English speakers on staff.
Well you got a lot of factors at play when it come to consistency Iv learned you need damn near perfect air seal also stock hop ups are really not that good unless you got a rotary style hop up. also 6.02 - 6.01 tight bore r hop barrels are a little better then the 6.03 tight bore barrels.
The biggest difference in barrel is in the concentricity and quality of the bore, actually inner diameter makes little to no difference. Don't get fooled by the latest and greatest trends trotted out on certain corners of the internet. The 'secret' to consistency is having a consistant setup not what you buy to make one.
I beg your pardon, but I would like to know what cylinder type did you employed in your G&P during the test. The reason is that you should use a cylinder with a higher air volume than the one of your barrel, when shooting bbs heavier than 0.28 gr, otherwise their accuracy and consistency will be negatively affected.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yes, but it would have been even better if you had used a cylinder with tip holes when shooting bbs heavier than 0,28 gr, especially with a 363mm barrel. Try it and tell me if I am wrong.
That’s a lot of work just to reply to a comment on a RUclips video. If I get around to doing a video on barrel vs cylinder volume and I have enough lowers with different cylinder lengths then I’ll do it. Thanks for commenting.
My advice is always test BBs in your own pistols and see what happens. Different products react differently to each other. I’m personally not interested in maximising the performance of a pistol as they are mainly dress up for me.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Sick, I only use hpa my self, but it does not matter if its AEG or HPA, the hop unit effects them the same so this is kinda interresting.. I only run Maxx or Phoenix hop units in my weapons. How come you test with the hop unit your using atm? best results or?
I have five of them across various guns. It means I can get them all set up and bedded in before testing starts rather than having to rebuild the same unit 5 times.
PSIONIC-UPGRADES OFFICIAL nice follow up! Not from the UK, but NL. But -every- item in your shop is sold out. And if you search for 'psionic' on all the affiliate shops posted on your site, the searches come up empty. I believe your site tech needs a look
@@regimes We already have a shop in NL that is testing the product, we are waiting for an answer from them. our site works perfectly, if you click on the colored globe the reference site will open. If the globe is turned off it means that the site is not currently active. Some use the FB or Instagram pages. moreover, it is very likely that almost everyone has not yet added the products to the catalog on their store. in fact the sale through the various channels will begin in late August.
Yes to an extent but it does also depend on the hop set up. 1.14J or 350 fps on .20g is the limit for most UK sites for AEGs though so that’s normally what we test at.
I can't imagine playing outdoors airsoft with that low of an FPS in canada... our limit is 400fps on .20's for rifles. Hell... even indoor is no engagement distance and limit is 380fps on .20s
It’s okay when you are playing in a heavily wooded area. It does get a bit frustrating when you end up waving at each other in a more open site. Indoors it doesn’t really matter and works better.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah... I bet it's not noticeable once you get used to it though right? Are there any fields really that allow rifles to be 400fps/1.5J? And heck yeah I can see indoors that it wouldn't really make much of a difference!
You should be able to get past 70m with 1.18J and a .30g BB. Stock hop unit is fine in the EVO. Either a Psi hop as used here or the flat hop combo in the video. Prometheus Purple flat modded with a firefly nub.
Great video. I just dont understand airsoft guys. Growing up with f1rearms (been shooting since i was 6 god bless america). I dont understand why airsoft guys dont bench their aeg to test accuracy. I dont care if you are carlos hatfcock your going to have inconsistency sh00ting freehand.
Very few airsofter flat range shoot. Or to be honest have the opportunity too. There aren’t many places like this in the UK. Especially those that are welcoming to Airsofters.
@AnvilAirsoftTV it looked like you were at a flat range testing the accuracy of that aeg. But you didnt use a bench rest or even sandbags. Just a bipod which helps with accuracy but isnt sufficient to truly test accuracy. Great video sorry about the tyrannical yt rules.
You’re hearing the high frequency gearbox noise being picked up by a lav mic clipped onto my shirt. It’s well shimmed. Motor height is correct. You’re also hearing the backlash caused by the two position anti reversal latch on the stock G&P bevel gear especially as I didn’t have the pre-cock turned on the Gate Titan.
Psi-hop/r-hop
.28g 299fps 63m
.32g 278fps 70m
.36g 266fps 74m
.40g 230fps 65m
Flat-hop
.28g 291fps 60m
.32g 258fps 64m
.36g 254fps 65m
Standard Hop
.28g 288fps 60m
.32g 266fps 61m
.36g 252fps 58m
Great work, great test
My only concern with this test is that even the best inner barrel manufacturers dont always have consistent results with every barrel. It seems even the best after market barrel benefits from lappin/polishing. However the results are clear and obvious that Rhop is the best and that flathop is significantly better than stock.
Thankyou @Anvil Airsoft TV for this test
@15:10 is that a butterfly trying to show us the flight of the BB?
We really need to see a scope cam. Alright explaining the difference but would like to SEE the difference
Thanks, I’ll be using one that records through my scope for the upcoming accuracy episode.
Even with a scope cam the resulting video wouldn't be very conclusive, all lenses cause some kind of deformation. The only way is to try it oneself.
I agree. Though it will show the flight path nicely which is why I’ll use it for the accuracy video plus have targets to show groupings.
This is MASSIVELY helpful to know there is results before investing more money into a rifle. Thank you.
this is by far the best video on this topic
Great video. Second one I’ve watched and you really do present a very clear image of what’s happened and it’s nice to come away feeling very confident in what I’ve just seen. You really should have more subs with the effort you are putting in.
Thanks. I just like making content but more subs would be nice.
Another amazing video. I like the fact you stick all the data in not just look at my mental range and how good it is.
Thanks James. Just takes lots of time to do. I’m looking forward to doing the accuracy video with these barrels. I’ll get the down scope camera fired up to show you all the different spreads and trajectory results
@@AnvilAirsoftTV that i look forward to seeing!! Not too long to wait hopefully.
Thanks Tom for the care and professionalism with which you made this video!
Finally, the real distances that can be reached by our AEGs can be established with certainty without estimating or approximating the distances!
The comparison of the three systems (standard / flat / R-hop) and the optimal weight of the BBs used is also reflected in the table on our website in the "weight / power" guide section.
In fact, a too small mass, in proportion to the power and the platform (AEG, GBB, VSR) is not able to accumulate a lot of energy, while an excessive weight of the BBs absorbs too much energy at the time of the hop. The correct and best performing weight is between the two extremes.
Furthermore, the quality of the inner barrel also has a significant influence.
look forward to the next videos!
Accuracy next then possibly a barrel length / cylinder volume video though that will be difficult.
Do your rhops work in tippman m4s?
@@kalninsky we didn't have a chance to try it on tippman
this is great info, more actual evidence, rather than "this is what reddit told me". thanks for going through the process!
Glad it was helpful! look out for more of the same coming soon.
Interesting results - looking forwartd to the next one
Thanks Richard I’ll break out my SkopedVision adaptor for that one so people can see down the Scope with me.
Superb video. Must admit that it was the range videos that got me watching the channel. Switched to 0.28g BBs for the post lockdown games and noticed a significant improvement in performance. Have also toyed around with 0.30g in the back yard and been impressed by the results. Going by this video, feel compelled to give the 0.32 open blasters a go. Keep up the good work and look forward to the next video.
Had great results with .32s a flat hop and 6.03 barrel,shooting flat out to 55 meters I prefer this to getting more range by drop off as I skirmish in woodland. Best of luck with your bb's
That’s a subject I want to cover. Different hop settings for different purposes.
@@RAB-om9jy Definitely helps in woodland. Out of curiosity, what brand of BBs do you use?
A year late this to video but I just wanted to say that I enjoy this kind of video, with hands on testing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting experiment! Would love to see a spreadsheet with all the data summarized.
I should really go through all the testing I’ve done and put it down on a spreadsheet.
Thanks very much for all the effort you put in xoxoxo. Really informative.
My pleasure. More to come on these.
Awesome work Tom, thanks for a really good video!
Thanks buddy appreciated.
Really enjoyed this video. The message I took was that as you used better and better hop systems, you lost less energy to hop a given weight which meant the bb had more energy to reach further ranges.
It'd be interesting to see the effect of purely the hop units by using a HPA system were for each hop system, you tune the FPS to be 1.30J +/- a few fps. I suspect in this case the range would be roughly the same and it would be the accuracy that differs.
That sounds about right. There’s no magic fairy dust involved. It also means you can use heavier BBs which can take more backspin. There was a little bit of joule creep with the .36g as well by the looks of it.
the range varies according to the power and weight of the BB but also according to the platform (AEG, GBB, HPA).
with 1.30J of power you can easily reach 80-85 meters.
in Italy the limit is 1J and on average we reach between 60 and 70 meters with 0.30gr based on the platform and the replica upgrades (air tight group, correct air flows, perfect synchrony, proportionate air volumes, inner barrel etc ..).
the real advantage of higher power is that it allows you to use heavier BBs that greatly improve accuracy.
in addition, the traditional system provides that with a single element, the bucking, you make both air tightness and rotate the BB.
however this binds you to use "medium" materials that can perform both tasks simultaneously well but not very well.
with the R-hop systems, on the other hand, you separate the air seal that makes the bucking which can be of a material designed to make air seal and the patch that gives rotation to the BB which is designed with materials that have particularly effective friction indexes.
in this way the system is more efficient and allows you significantly higher performances even with the same power etc ..
Great video and so far, proven my thoughts that for rhop over flat hop, you need to be using heavy bbs, if like me you dont want to go over. 28s due to costs etc, then flat hop seems to be just as good as rhop(4m less). Looking forward to seeing accuracy.
Tend to agree Brian. If you aren’t going to use .32 or .36 there isn’t a huge difference. I’m quite looking forward to doing the accuracy and flight path trials
Great video
Thanks Mr Flippy.
You said that the 0.32g BBs are faster than the 0.36g ones. But you have to consider something: When you chrono a BB, you only measure the speed it has when it leaves the barrel. Heavier BBs sustain their speed much better than lighter ones, so at a certain distance they will actually be faster again than lighter ones. Meaning that at long ranges, they might actually reach their target faster than the lighter ones. Would be interesting (but difficult) to measure.
Heavier BBs are also less influenced by wind and obstacles like branches and leaves, which can also be a huge advantage.
Also a question: Which kind of tensioners did you use? Tensioners have a huge impact on performance of the bucking. You can only really get everything out of a long hop up patch or a r-hop, if the tensioner has the same length and presses it down perfectly.
Hence the caption on that segment that says a lighter BB will be faster over shorter distances. There’s a whole video on the channel called time to target that covers just that using the Attacksense targets as we could measure the time from when the BB was fired to when it struck the target. .36g did get to the 50m target faster but was slower to the shorter targets.
I’m using the Full PsiHop kit from Psionic using all the supplied nubs, rubbers and tensioners
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for your fast response. I didn't know you already tested that, pretty cool!
Something else to consider though: AEGs are limited by their cylinder volume. If the barrel is too long, it might accelerate lighter BBs to the end of the barrel, but heavier ones, as they take more time to take up the energy, might only get accelerated half way through the barrel before the air pressure from the cylinder is gone.
What I want to say with this is: Your test is basically only applicable to your particular rifle setup (Spring, cylinder volume, barrel length and diameter). A rifle with the same barrel length as in the video but a bigger cylinder for example will very likely perform better with .40g or even heavier BBs. Of course the hop up also has a huge impact on range and accuracy (which is the topic of this video), but I think it is also important to mention the different other factors that come into play here, so people can better understand what relationship there is between certain components of their rifle and how changing one thing might affect the other.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's awesome that you do tests like this to educate airsofters on certain topics, but I also think it is important to give them some theory behind this. If you already did a video on this, sorry, I am still new to the channel ^^
It would also be interesting to do a test like this with a GBBR, as they function pretty different. While AEGs, like stated above, only have a limited supply of air pressure, a GBBR will continue to accelerate the BB until it leaves the barrel. Because of that, GBBRs perform very well with heavy BBs.
I hope you perceive my comment as constructive criticism, as I really don't intend to bash your content or something like that. Sadly english isn't my mother tongue, so it often is hard to precisely say what I want to, without risking to come across as arrogant or like a know-it-all. So, keep up the good work and have a nice day!
Hey no worries. Thanks for commenting. I tend to try and only cover one aspect in a video to avoid confusing the general audience. My normal videos aren’t really intended or pitched for people with a more specialised knowledge such as yourself though I hope I make them entertaining enough for everyone to enjoy.
It is indeed important for people to match cylinder volume to barrel volume. The ratio does differ depending on what weight ammo is going to be used and isn’t as critical as some people tend to think.
I don’t have extensive experience with GBBRs, HPA, DMRs and spring snipers so I wouldn’t want to present a video without having the facts or footage to back up what I’m saying.
We’re thinking about doing a livestream or long format video where we cover a lot of BB ballistic myths and facts so I’ll add what you’ve said to the list of things to discuss.
Thanks for watching and look out for the next instalment in this series.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV It definately is a good idea to cover one topic at a time to not overwhelm people with information, but maybe a short intro in which you summarize the relationship between cylinder volume, spring power and barrel length and diameter of an AEG would have been a nice. Without really going into detail this could be done in just a few minutes. The important thing here is to get people to actually think about it, from there I think it is all pretty logical.
But for sure a Livestream would of course be a better platform for discussing the whole topic more in depth and giving the viewers the possibility to directly ask questions. I am looking forward to it!
Great video as always mate, do you think youll ever do a barrel comparison video of a few of the main brands ?
would be good to see when you have your scope recording setup
Cost is the big barrier there. Buying a few quality barrels and hop rubbers/bucking just isn’t feasible at the moment. I’d like to do it so I could maybe build up a collection over time and several projects.
Hey, great video answered a lot of questions I had - subbed!
Thanks. Glad it helped.
Love waching the vids add a Bonnie to one of my load outs
I’ve got a lovely modded boonie on in the Op. Barras Video.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV awsome brother
Thank you for the time and effort you put in on your videos. I really enjoy these ones most of all as there's bags of useful information,so it really is all about getting a good back spin then?
For range it’s Power, weight of ammo and backspin. They are all related. Getting efficient backspin onto heavy ammo is really the key.
Good vid to finally put the self proclaimed airsoft physics experts in their place.
That MK16 is fast on full auto, but the trigger response on semi seems quite sluggish, I thought all you guns were running Gate Titans?
About half have a TiTan or similar in them. You’re hearing the gearbox back wind a bit after firing as the stock G&P bevel gear only has two positions for the anti-reversal latch. Plus it wasn’t in precock mode.
Are you going to be doing one with all top brands of hop rubbers to compare.
I could do but there are so many variables to take into account like nubs, hop units, barrels, BBs and power that it would probably end up being pretty meaningless.
Nice comparison. Keep up to good content. Do you have a video out on the light up targets being used?
Yes we do. Have a look for Attacksense Targets
ruclips.net/video/iMZ4YJ-SqHs/видео.html
video well done.
Thankyou.
I've got a ton of ASG Devil 0.3 bb's and they're good. Heard a lot of good things about Valkyrie bb's, so I bought some 0.32 ones and I am impressed. Using in my TM Sopmod recoil (Upgraded gears and sping only to get it to 350fps) and my Bolt M16A4 recoil yesterday..they really did reach out there and flew very well. I need to go back to Thurlaston myself and test them side by side.... I have quite a few thousand(s) of both to use... :)
They are on a par with the other decent premium BBs on the market. What works best for you will depend on your individual setup. Some hop rubbers grip different levels of BB polish for example.
Great video, great review and in my opinion, best technically comments (discussion).
I searched channel for video with scopecam for BBs, to check accuracy and path of BBs, did I missed or you did not upload it yet?
Thanks
I use a mirrorless camera with a 200m zoom lens rather than a scopecam. There’s a few instances on the channel. I’ve done a lot on taiwanguns channel though.
Is this at Thrapston!?
Parabéns amigo pelo vídeo!
I’m Glad you liked it.
Are these buckings/patches all worn in or fresh installs? awesome vid btw. ta
Good question. I should have said. All have at around 1000 BBs through prior to filming. I emptied 3 midcaps out of each barrel. I’ll add it to the description.
I just use a rhoped zci tightbore with a ryusoko bucking & nub, best of both worlds. you can get a drop in kit for $60
How is it performing?
Did you installed a Closed cylinder beforehand? Otherwise your not gonna have enough airvolume for the heavy bbs and thats why the velocity drops so hard.
Stock cylinder and gearbox. Only change was the hop rubber and barrel. At some point I’ll get around to changing the cylinder and mosfet
Just getting into airsoft myself and trying to get the most accuracy/consistency I can. Question I have is when you say your setting your hop, your just trying to get as flat a trajectory as you can for the weight of the BB right?
in general yes. But It depends on what you want. You can get more range from more hop and an arc to the shots but it makes it harder to land shots.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV I would love the range, but consistency and accuracy are what I’m more going for. Current have a new bucking and flat hop nub coming in, for M14 EBR. In a few months I’m going to go HPA so looking to get a longer barrel and Rhop as well then.
Grate test.
Does the RHop just suck less energy from the bb then the flat hop ?
If Tom could make his aeg shoot the same fps with both the Rhop and the Flat hop would there be any difference in them? other then the Rhop being more efficient.
I understand that wasnt the point of the test I'm just curious.
Basically yes. It uses less energy to apply the backspin. As to the second part it would be interesting to try and set both to the same fps. I think I would really need an HPA rig to do it though as you would end up changing both hop and power settings to get it setup properly for each test.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Thanks for the reply :) .
Thats good to know.
I'm planning to get back into airsofting, its been over 10 years since I last went and some things have changed.
I think for me personally installing a flat hop would be a better option, I assume I will get slightly less shots out of my battery then if I used an R Hop but probably not even very noticeably.
My plan is to install a flat hop and use an sp120 spring fire a 2-3k bbs then reduce the fps to uk standards :) .
On a side note I didnt mean the second part of my question as a criticism it
I ment to finish that
"it was really useful got that answers i wanted from it"
I am kinda late late to this party guys , but have to say GREAT VIDEO! Just one question though. Was the AEG kind of optimized for heavier bbs? ( talking about cyl-barrel volume and piston weight) I did notice a bit of positive joule creep with the heavy ones
It wasn’t specifically optimised. Same cylinder volume and barrel length as it came originally. You’re right though there was a bit of joule creep.
I have stopped r hopping my rifs after testing ML buckings and there giving me same results
I’ve got one I’ll test soon alongside a few other methods.
Amazing video! What rail system/ hand guard is that you are running? Also where can I get one
That’s an Angry Gun Mk16 Handguard. It’s a replica of the Geissele Mk16 used on the US URGI. I’ve also got the correct Madbull Daniel Defence 14.5” midlength gas system outer barrel on it. It’s a lovely gun to handle and shoot.
what id like to see is rhop vs maple leaf MR hop bucking and maple leaf 6.02 barrel as its been referred to as the rhop killer
It’s on the list. People do keep going on about it!
I have a question: Just how much air is actually being released per shot behind these BB's? My understanding is the electric piston and gear box is a fairly efficient system and as such, doesn't actually need much air to discharge these rounds.
In general for an AEG you’re looking at ratios of 1.5-2.5 for cylinder volume to barrel volume.
It should have a minimum of 360 fps... amazing you can hit lower. Good job!
It’s a great setup. Feels like cheating.
Nicely explained video. One thing I don't understand. How come I can't reach more than 60m with 2J using 0.40 bbs.
Not enough back spin is coming from your hop unit to lift the BB properly.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV installed maple leaf super macaron 75 with omega delayer and the range dropped to 45m. Returned the stock rubber and kept the omega delayer and range was 60m.
Try using a lower degree bucking as they are softer they apply better back spin because they grip the BB better
@@zedex.4987 alright will do even though I was told 75 is perfect for 2j. What hardness do you suggest for 2j? In the future I will bring the sr25 to 2,3j as the max field rule
In croatia 1.56 joules are allowed for automatic Replicas.
2.56 for DMR
And 3.50 for sniper.
Fair bit more than us. What range can you get with that power?
@@AnvilAirsoftTV With M4 with Madbull Stell Barrel and R-HOP 75-80
But with M70AB2 LCT replica 1.4-1.5 Joules and newer hop up unit and madbull stell and r-hop 80-90m!
Still leaves the question what if i pimp up my gun to compensate for Joule loss? Would it just shoot the same range then?
Depends on how much backspin you get on. I would probably need an HPA replica with a decent regulator to test it though.
Great review! now just need to test PDI 6.05 vs PDI 6.01 vs lambda vs T-N.T. Barrels 😅
Send them to me and I’ll be very happy to test them. ;)
@@AnvilAirsoftTV lol that’s my problem, can confirm PDI 6.05 is better than 6.01 for accuracy but those TNT barrels are so expensive to get to the US atm but heard they are better
Tnt best 👌🔥
Hi, what do you think about Maple leaf Mr.Hop ? Some people call it killer of the RHop. Would you be up for some testing?
I’ve got one. It’s on the list to test against an Rhop.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV any update on this? Curious as well, specifically for VSR build lifting 0.45/0.48g
how do i buy this? what did you use for the nub, the bucking, the barrel and the patch? I dont see a psi-hop anywhere even on the website.
psionic-upgrades.com/R-HOP-KIT-c115563798 I’m using the Madbull Barrel kit though others are available. The kit contains everything you need apart from the barrel.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV do you have experience using psihop kits with better barrels? What were the results with ones under 50$? Also I really appreciate that you still respond to comments, it's extremely respectable and out of this world helpful, I'm so tired of techs that lie to your face and prove nothing.
is it possible to one of these in the united states?
I’ve used it in madbull and promethius barrels. There really wasn’t much difference between the two. The Prometheus one was maybe a hair more accurate. I don’t know about getting a psi-hop kit in the USA. Maybe worth dropping Psionics an email or message. They have English speakers on staff.
Hi! I'd like to know what brand is your handguard of? Thank you 😊
That one is an angry gun Mk16
You made nice videos, but the only thing you need for this test it’s not here… a scope cam to see the bb… thanks btw
We now use a 200mm lens on a mirror less camera to film BB flight. It’s much better than a scope cam as you can see the BB flight out beyond 60m
It would have been good to see a standard hop system but with an upgraded hop rubber
I’ll add it to the list.
Which particular ones are you interested in seeing by the way?
Well you got a lot of factors at play when it come to consistency Iv learned you need damn near perfect air seal also stock hop ups are really not that good unless you got a rotary style hop up. also 6.02 - 6.01 tight bore r hop barrels are a little better then the 6.03 tight bore barrels.
The biggest difference in barrel is in the concentricity and quality of the bore, actually inner diameter makes little to no difference. Don't get fooled by the latest and greatest trends trotted out on certain corners of the internet. The 'secret' to consistency is having a consistant setup not what you buy to make one.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah I noticed that when I tested mine what really helped me is actually polishing the inside of the new barrel
It would rather be more interesting to test the grouping efficiency of each system.
Its on the list of things to do when the range is open again.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV curious if this is still planned, thanks for the videos
I beg your pardon, but I would like to know what cylinder type did you employed in your G&P during the test. The reason is that you should use a cylinder with a higher air volume than the one of your barrel, when shooting bbs heavier than 0.28 gr, otherwise their accuracy and consistency will be negatively affected.
It’s a 4/5 cylinder with a 363mm 6.03 barrel. Accuracy increased significantly as BB weight went up.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yes, but it would have been even better if you had used a cylinder with tip holes when shooting bbs heavier than 0,28 gr, especially with a 363mm barrel. Try it and tell me if I am wrong.
That’s a lot of work just to reply to a comment on a RUclips video. If I get around to doing a video on barrel vs cylinder volume and I have enough lowers with different cylinder lengths then I’ll do it. Thanks for commenting.
Looks like piston needs to be heavier and not enough air volume if you lose Jules on a heavier bb?
It’s a fairly standard AEG gearbox internally. I’m right at UK Site limits with heavier BBs now happy where it is.
What is the scope brand and model used in the video?
It’s a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6
What about 340 fps pistol what bb do you recommend
It will depend on the pistol. I normally run ASG Devil 0.28 or BLS .30 / 0.32g. Use a hard BB and not a bio one.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV what about .36 still works?
@@AnvilAirsoftTV my pistol is tm hicapa 5.1
My advice is always test BBs in your own pistols and see what happens. Different products react differently to each other. I’m personally not interested in maximising the performance of a pistol as they are mainly dress up for me.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV okay tnx
What magazines are they
MAG plastic mid caps. They feed in pretty much everything and are handy for the range.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV lovely, thank you
I wonder what would be best in Denmark when Assult can shoot up to 1.69 Jules and DMR can shoot up to 2,89 Jules :D
I’ll do a UK DMR test at some point at around 2J. Generally the more upgraded hops do better with more power though.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Sick, I only use hpa my self, but it does not matter if its AEG or HPA, the hop unit effects them the same so this is kinda interresting.. I only run Maxx or Phoenix hop units in my weapons. How come you test with the hop unit your using atm? best results or?
I have five of them across various guns. It means I can get them all set up and bedded in before testing starts rather than having to rebuild the same unit 5 times.
Great content once again. Too bad everything is sold out at Psionic. And I mean literally everything.
I’ll ask what’s going on.
we are waiting for some stores to try the products right in the UK so we can provide you with the necessary in your country!
PSIONIC-UPGRADES OFFICIAL nice follow up! Not from the UK, but NL. But -every- item in your shop is sold out. And if you search for 'psionic' on all the affiliate shops posted on your site, the searches come up empty. I believe your site tech needs a look
@@regimes We already have a shop in NL that is testing the product, we are waiting for an answer from them.
our site works perfectly, if you click on the colored globe the reference site will open. If the globe is turned off it means that the site is not currently active. Some use the FB or Instagram pages.
moreover, it is very likely that almost everyone has not yet added the products to the catalog on their store.
in fact the sale through the various channels will begin in late August.
Would Increase Joules Increase Range? 1.2J to 1.5J and 2.0J as some fields and organizers have higher FPS limits.
Yes to an extent but it does also depend on the hop set up. 1.14J or 350 fps on .20g is the limit for most UK sites for AEGs though so that’s normally what we test at.
I can't imagine playing outdoors airsoft with that low of an FPS in canada... our limit is 400fps on .20's for rifles. Hell... even indoor is no engagement distance and limit is 380fps on .20s
It’s okay when you are playing in a heavily wooded area. It does get a bit frustrating when you end up waving at each other in a more open site. Indoors it doesn’t really matter and works better.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV yeah... I bet it's not noticeable once you get used to it though right? Are there any fields really that allow rifles to be 400fps/1.5J?
And heck yeah I can see indoors that it wouldn't really make much of a difference!
Bit spicy with the r-hop
Even more so given the weight of ammo it can lift.
So u tell me I can get about 200ft of range?
This has about 200ft of range
Why too low fps?
We can only legally run full auto Airsoft guns at under 1.4 J in the UK. Most sites restrict to 1.14j
This seems like leaving Scorpion EVO hop/barrel stock, as it already hits 60m with 1.18j and 0.28
UK spec Evos can do 50-55m on less than 1J so it would seem you have a lot of improvement to gain if you changed out the hop.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV Well, it ís already 60m and beyond, however max bb weight is 0.30 here nowadays. Which combination you reccomend? Stock hop??
You should be able to get past 70m with 1.18J and a .30g BB. Stock hop unit is fine in the EVO. Either a Psi hop as used here or the flat hop combo in the video. Prometheus Purple flat modded with a firefly nub.
@@AnvilAirsoftTV ordered the psi hop and barrel
For evo, will have to put it in still. Thanks
@@AnvilAirsoftTValso just got maxx hop for the EVO… Once installed reporting back here :)
Great video. I just dont understand airsoft guys. Growing up with f1rearms (been shooting since i was 6 god bless america). I dont understand why airsoft guys dont bench their aeg to test accuracy. I dont care if you are carlos hatfcock your going to have inconsistency sh00ting freehand.
Very few airsofter flat range shoot. Or to be honest have the opportunity too. There aren’t many places like this in the UK. Especially those that are welcoming to Airsofters.
@AnvilAirsoftTV it looked like you were at a flat range testing the accuracy of that aeg. But you didnt use a bench rest or even sandbags. Just a bipod which helps with accuracy but isnt sufficient to truly test accuracy. Great video sorry about the tyrannical yt rules.
Good video, but please shim your gears properly, this doesn't sound good at all...
You’re hearing the high frequency gearbox noise being picked up by a lav mic clipped onto my shirt. It’s well shimmed. Motor height is correct. You’re also hearing the backlash caused by the two position anti reversal latch on the stock G&P bevel gear especially as I didn’t have the pre-cock turned on the Gate Titan.