@@DarenKajiWolfyou dont have to be a drug addict to critisize drugs. "Drugs are optional." You dont have to be a pedo to critisize epstien. "Molesting kids is optional". You dont need to be a gambling addict to critisize gambling. "You dont need to visit casinos." Why is it different for a game?
@@simonshura9144 What the- You're really going to glaze this one specific app as if it's anything special? The game is as AFK as many others so what makes it so special to you? The devs are also not the only team that showers its playerbase (while the actual gameplay loop is as stingy it was on release), so please don't bring up their RUclips channel. It is definitely no exception and it will EOS no matter what. That's just how this system functions.
@@aerissai8341NIKKE will not EOS anytime soon, sigh if you honestly believe 20M average monthly mobile revenue is nothing😂 then just don't even bother trying to argument with me you fool~ You obviously have no Idea what you talking about and generalizing all gachas is not helping lol 🤣💦
@@syntheticat24 I 2nd that for MMOs. I used to play a popular MMO (it shall be unnamed, fuck that game) and it's genuinely just unhealthy and unfun. You're a slave to the game one way or another. Either you're grinding the boring end-game near endlessly or you're addicted to the company of other people and YOU SHOULD NEVER get attached to people through an MMO. RPG games have an ending and I don't think it's the same thing. It's fine to be excited about a particular RPG and play it 1-3 weeks if time allows if you got nothing better to do. You'll eventually finish it and move on.
@paledrake Some RPG games can go on forever in few cases. But they still don't always, although the exact thing, is MMORPG games, which combines the two.
If you want to progress, you need to play every day. Playing more in a day yields nothing. Playing better yields nothing. Some of them would be outright good games if you could just play and progress like a normal game.
People need to understand that gacha games don't just drain your wallet, but also your time (and sanity). Just steer clear away from these malicious "games".
@@ttiaguinhosi agree so heavy on that, but we all know the game wouldn’t make this much amount of profit. I hate to admit. But damn i love the characters in the game, while hate the predatory practices behind it.
Excellent video of a difficult topic. It's almost a taboo amongst gacha players, if you try to discuss this with them you're almost sure to receive major backlash. I guess it's hard to see reason if you're stuck in deep. I just dropped my gachas and returned to indie single player games I bought from steam with a few bucks. First game sessions actually felt weird because I was constantly surprised that I got new characters and stuff for FREE and didn't have to gamble for them. Yes, it's insane and I'm glad I broke free of the gacha spell.
Curiously enough, Granblue Fantasy Relink just released a couple weeks ago and guess what, it's pretty much a gacha game without the gacha (you buy the game, you get the game, and that's it). The combat and endgame is tons of fun, you unlock all the characters by playing it and progression is completely paced by the player, instead of resin bullshit. This game, at least to me, completely buries the mental gymnastics gacha players do to justify its existence.
Kinda fascinating that companies have discovered they can make more money by making a game bad on purpose then they would if they tried to make good games
People justifying gacha games are retards, those games will ruin your mind and credit card if you get addicted to them(well, they're made to be super addicting so...). Simply as that, lootboxes are a epidemic in the modern gaming world, i'll say worse because that mechanic is everywhere and i mean EVERYWHERE. Just stay away from those "videogames", nft games are honest in comparison of gacha games that are literally human bait.
Not really, it should really have a warning label for people who get addicted, because it is gambling obviously. But I don't think you're that word for enjoying gambling, it's existed for longer than gaming, gambling isn't limited to games. They are fine, unless you begin to get addicted. If someone has signs of addiction, then stop them at all costs.
@@syntheticat24 If you want to gamble go gamble at a casino. At least you get the chance of winning some money there unlike in gacha games where you're throwing money into a digital abyss that will close up the second the servers shut down.
@paledrake Actually, it's worse at a casino With casinos, people will spend their winnings and come out with nothing, meaning they lost money when they could've won, casinos can be even worse in some cases. Also, is it really different from gaming as a whole, the second a game with in-game cosmetics shuts down, all of that is gone, if a game that had DLC like old cod games which is a perfect example, shut down or got overran with hackers, it's no different. Blaming gacha games just because they seem predatory, doesn't mean the other games aren't bad too. Plus, every game takes immense hours away from people's life. It's for fun, people play games for fun, so what's the problem with one, when they all have the same problem. Free to Play games while playing F2P is the only way to not lose anything but time.
Atleast with a real gacha machine, you get something cool and intereating to keep but with a digital game, once the servers are gone, that's it. Move on to the next big thing and just take your loses.
This, and the worse part is that there're a lot of people justifying those games and their predatory systems, casinos seem nicer compared to those virtual scams.
I say u buy support the experience in these games with money rather then trying to get more out of it like for example in a real casino money 😂 In gachas its bout waifus and fun gambling for them thats it
You get memories of what happened, especially if you take a screenshot. Plus, some of them go on for 10+ years. If you win at a casino, you will spend that money elsewhere too, or just gamble that and lose it all. So really, tell me what the difference is here?
@@syntheticat24 My gripe is that this is designed to make as much profit as possible. Call me old school but I like having a full product and not expected to return back and buy the same product just so I can get that one thing they deliberatley remove in order to gain maximum income. To me, that's a scam. The problem is that many game companies look at gacha and see it as a means to make more profit, so a company would deliberatley go out of their way to shoe horn such a model into their game(look how quick they were to implement NFTs and downplay it the moment they got flak for it). And the more prevelant it is the more encouraging it will be for them to implement it. Because you'd be the one missing out for not implementing such a money making mechanic. I've played previous game by moon studios but their recent entry has been somewhat a red flag. Not the worst form of gacha, I would say it's somewhat mild but the incentive was clearly there. I also do not support gambling. I personaly cosnider it a waste of money at best, harmful and predatory at worst. Only reason casino or gambling in general does not become illegal is due to market. If you ban something, that something will grow in value. There are people with gambling addictions and these companies know it, and they will exploit it cause there's a market for it. And addiction is a chronic mental health disorder.
while I love genshin impact have to admit it's monetization is pretty slimy. Hell I would say the gambling part isnt even the most corrupt part of the game its the insane resin system that forces you to spend money if you want any artifacts that are useful. Seriously the rates of the artifacts makes them endlessly monetizable if you dont have luck. At least the wish system youll eventually get what you want even for free if you plan and play carefully but artifacts are trully limitless in how disgusting p2w they are.
@Hunter also while I still think this game takes things too far i honestly didn't age well with my comment hahaha Diablo immortal is endlessly monetizable I mean genshin is bad but it's a kiddie pool compared to how evil progression is in Diablo immortal holy shit man things just keep getting worse.
There is an untapped market in mobile gaming which would be good games that are consumer friendly. You may make a quick buck by using predatory tactics. But people like myself appreciate good well made games intended to be a good product and not a scheme. And when I find a good game like this I do spend money. This is why I think supercell is successful right now clash does have micro transactions but it is free to play friendly
The story isn't even that good. Sure, you have Archon Story quest and other character story quest but where's the relevancy in those characters? None of the characters ever joined the (cardboard cutout) main character's search for their sibling, in fact, none of them are involved in the main plotline...
Just to add aside from me having the same feelings towards gacha games like you, just by it being a gacha game by itself, the gameplay and mechanics are bound to the "gacha" elements/ mechanic such as the energy, gacha/ fomo elements, characters and abilities etc. While I find gacha games with more simple mechanics (like FGO, Blue Archive, Uma Musume and more) slightly more acceptable than those trying to implement more and more gameplay mechanics such as Open-World, Character/ Player progression, gameplay mechanics, abilities etc (like Genshin Impact & Other Mihoyo Games, HSR is a poor excuse of a turn based game ngl, PGR, WuWa and more) I gave some a shot and always end up finding the same faults in game design which makes it worse by the gacha elements which ends up just making it shallow, and find it predatory as a game. Sure, those games look good visually but as a game itself, they're not. I would definitely say that if those gacha games aren't gacha to begin with and as a proper game, I would definitely love play them and probably love them even.
Used to play this game called "final fable" way back when by IGG. This was around 2015. I thought spending 70 bucks on this game was obscene for some "loot type" system characters. Boy was I wrong. Interestingly enough IGG rug pulled the game from the app store shortly after its launch likely because they realized they could get even stupider with the pull rates on a more traditional gacha format. Its insane how almost every "mythic (generic title here)" gacha follows the same format almost cut and past and most got it from that game "final fable" which has been reused since at least 2015. Almost as ridiculous as a new NBA 2k game every year
I'm a gacha game player, but I 100% agree with you. alot of gacha games don't even specify that they're gacha games, and this is a problem. for example, I got into Genshin bc of the aesthetics and the story seemed interesting, I didn't know I was gonna get sucked into the gacha rabbithole... now I don't really like the direction the story is taking, just a bunch of depressing crap for no reason. I feel like there has to be a reason behind that, and it seems like it could be connected to the fact most of these gacha games hire psychologists to make their games addicting... not only do they make the characters' design overly s*xual, they also give them sad backstories to make you feel for them. and they have recently been overusing that for a good while now that it doesn't work on me anymore, but it still does for plenty of people surprisingly... now the only reason I still play Genshin is bc of one of my favourite characters, Lyney. when a character is the reason you're still playing a game, that means you're doing smth wrong. ah well, thank you for listening to my rant.
@@AdamDj-ic3kr Yeah. I haven't touched them yet, but I've seen snippets and it's become a painful pill to swallow that they could probably make good, nonpredatory games if they wanted to. For a long time, I wanted to believe there was just no way a game made with such greedy ambitions could be good. Now, I'm just avoiding them on principle, and because I just don't trust myself to not get hooked in a bad way. Same reason I never touched World of Warcraft.
@@sageoftruth as a F2P gacha player,of you really don't trust yourself with not spending money on them,then yeah, avoid these games entirely,also,I think that's also a you problem (partly,gacha is still fundamentally predatory)I recommend learning some self control, I'm not saying that to be condescending, just a little advice for you, have a good day
I suggest just taking a character from your favorite Gacha game, print the character for a picture frame and hang it on your bedroom wall. You will be more content with just taking their characters and printing out your own merch you can keep instead of playing these abhorrent games...
Everyone that says that doesn't do FTP. Ever. They know full well spending nothing means hopping on, having statistically worse everything compared to paid players that locks you out of the vast majority of newer things (time creep that scales from a month to a year) and your option for "gameplay" is simpleton daily chores that you can do with your eyes closed in no more than an hour and fuck off until tomorrow. And you better be back tomorrow otherwise that time creep for actual content just gets longer and longer. Fucking disgusting game design.
The only gacha game I hate is character building with annoying a$$ RNG of farming resources to make your characters stronger and it gets harder and takes so damn long to get the good build
Meanwhile I somehow managed to find a Gacha game LESS predatory than the developers MMOs. No excusing practices; just interesting when Nexon makes both Maplestory and Blue Archive and the Gacha game isn’t even in their top 4 earning games. Maplestory recently saw its highest quarterly earnings report in Q1 of this year and FCO is a huge pusher. I won’t defend Gacha, but I will say I play it cus I enjoy lotteries and would rather invest in a Gacha lottery than the actual lottery.
I only play FGO because of the gameplay and because I can make a meta team being f2p, that and because I don't easily fall into addictions, xd, although I must say that gacha are not the only games where monetization is a problem, in fighting games Like guilty gear, the thing is the same and even worse since 99% of the DLC characters are paid and very OP at the outset, being esports games and they have their players so brainwashed that they want to pay for characters to the point of reaching to spend more than u$d 100 when they already paid another 70 for the game xd
As a guilty gear strive fan, I agree with you on the guilty gear part. Arcsys is so greedy to the point that they make almost all of the fanfavorite characters (like baiken, testament, slayer, aba, bridget, etc) as paid dlc's which is honestly a huge dick move. But many guilty gear strive fans ignore the too much paid dlc's part because that most of them are braindead as fuck.
One of the things that gives gacha games a very bad reputation is that they are known to have very short lifespans, with 50% of them shutting down in 3 or even 2 years at average. 2023 saw a ton of gacha games that didn't even last a year. And there's scummy practices like the "shameless copy/bootleg" and VIP tier benefits
I’m surprised there aren’t more videos about the gacha aspects of Skullgirls mobile. It features the gambling aspects of almost every gacha game and then some, with the worst character drop rates I’ve seen. my immediate reaction upon first playing it was that it was the best-monetized game I had ever seen I got sucked in the void and spent maybe ~$200. I don’t regret that nearly as much as the countless hours spent grinding. womp womp what I found particularly… disturbing, was that ~70% of the chat appeared to be minors (they were very open with their age, which is a whole other topic). real stand-up behavior on the dev's part marketing thinly veiled gambling to teenagers anyways I deleted my account so uhh hopefully I learned my lesson
1:57 Fire Emblem Heroes. Yeah I seen it release, after that Super Mario Run. I was interested, took a closer look and... quit right away. Because basically the game uses the worst RPG mechanic I remember from World of Warcraft, in which I ran an old Raid, killed one boss that has 10 drops and each time he drops 2 items out of 10. I managed to have to run that Raid over 30 times before I seen the item I wanted drop once. That is how "random" works, despite our brain telling us that 2 out of 10 should not be that "hard" to see each item after 10 runs once. The truth is in true RNG you can kill that Boss 100 times and never see one particular item once. But then you need to remember... in computer there is no true RNG. You can manipulate it, turn one knob and the top price never gets paid out, simple as that. That is why going to Las Vegas to those computerized slot machines is a scam, the same it is with many other machines that have some price payout or prize tickets. They are all NOT TRUE RANDOM like flipping a coin or mixing cards and playing a round of poker.
Another predatory function is the "influencer" side of things. It encourages whaling by outright requiring it if you want to make "content" on the game. This shit really needs to go away.
a good gacha game is a traditional game with RNG element, while a predatory one is a slot machine disguised as a game. I also find it infuriating that somehow gacha had managed to infiltrate pure single player games, like in Xenoblade 2 where you need luck just to ‘pull’ a useful blade.
Honestly i love and hate gacha games at the same time. Why i love it?because surprisingly many gacha games are really good to play that AAA games this time(better than *cough* ubisoft ultimate meh edition) with battlepass. and you don't need to spend the money if you want(still you need to spend your "dedication" and "time" more than p2w player). But i hate it because it's more addicting than offline games(why i'm wasting my time and taking less to sleep just to farm material in gacha games) Let's give an example : Total price 80 pulls for genshin impact is 70$(atleast that's from my country) and you can lose 50/50 at the first time if you're not lucky. There's some battlepass and subscription too but kinda "meh" still i don't like that one. That's why i love offline games more even i just can play older games without any type of "gacha" system. I would rather spend hundred of dollar for buying offline older games than spend to any gacha games again. I recently uninstalled Gacha Game like Genshin Impact,Wuthering Waves and Honkai Star Rail because it's kinda too much addictiong for me,even there's "important" event like Wuthering Waves they try to increase the playerbase with massive event in this patch and "free" character but seriously i'm tired man,i want to stop the addiction rn. Sorry for my bad english,but seriously i'm tired of gacha games.
Gacha games are junk food. None excel at gameplay, theres always a single player option with better gameplay to replace it. The sole exception seems to be Nikke.
Like onlinegames mmo etc and mobile games its just same in the end surely spending too. even who say low spend thats same as p2w no matter what saying low spend. in the end just playing singelplayer games XD
Gamedev here! I have a special heavy dislike for gacha “games” because most of these *barely are a “”game””*. Let me explain: From my small experiences on Arknights and Blue Archive, you just stare at the screen, press some optional buttons and wait for the best, that’s Not gameplay for me (specially Blue Archive, the anime girls just shoots, cover up, run and all without any participation form the player but just to see), also a lot of these games are either text walls or cinematics and as for me; If I want to read something: I can read Raptor Red or Jurassic Park (novel). If I want to watch something: I can watch any Godzilla film. I recently installed and uninstalled Blue Archive, while I was “”playing””, I started to miss Helldivers 2 way more and made me appreciate Skyrim and other indie games (Anger Foot), I quitted Blue Archive and came back to Helldivers, and guess what?: I had a blast. I call it a happy ending for democracy. (Also Plants vs Zombies is the best tower defense). Take in mind that I’m more into fast-paced frenetic action (any Doom game, Dusk and Ultrakill) than most mobile games (I do have some on my phone but they’re mostly for killing time, ultra casual ones), also I like Skyrim and Minecraft (been playing MC since 2011) because: every session is a new adventure and I make a new memory, gacha “games”, with the FOMO, limit events and daily rewards feels more like a burden chore than make a new memory. With that and other things (don’t get me started on how some gachas allows you to marry the girls), I tend to say: “Gacha ‘games’ are a betrayal to what games are.”
I agree with most of this video, however I still dont consider them gambling. Gambling to me means a chance of a monetary payout. You cant "cash out" it a gatcha game.
Nah, People are free to make their own choices, While I do agree they absolutely have brought down the quality of games in general, Banning them isn't the right choice.
@theremix54 I actually disagree, the quality of games went down on their own. And it isn't Gacha games at fault. It's the companies running games like CoD. You have EA and Epic games who are also unreasonably greedy, it's the industry itself.
"iTs OpTiOnAl" the best excuse ever
Exactly lol
But they are really accurate when say that playing those games is just an option.
@@DarenKajiWolf
pay = loose money due to addiction.
not pay = loose time due to egregious grinding.
@@DarenKajiWolfyou dont have to be a drug addict to critisize drugs. "Drugs are optional."
You dont have to be a pedo to critisize epstien. "Molesting kids is optional".
You dont need to be a gambling addict to critisize gambling. "You dont need to visit casinos."
Why is it different for a game?
of course, the game is always balanced in favor of paying up
And then the game shuts down and another clone pops out lol.
Nikke is the exception tho, no other gacha has its gameplay loop
@@simonshura9144 What the-
You're really going to glaze this one specific app as if it's anything special? The game is as AFK as many others so what makes it so special to you?
The devs are also not the only team that showers its playerbase (while the actual gameplay loop is as stingy it was on release), so please don't bring up their RUclips channel. It is definitely no exception and it will EOS no matter what. That's just how this system functions.
@@aerissai8341NIKKE will not EOS anytime soon, sigh if you honestly believe 20M average monthly mobile revenue is nothing😂 then just don't even bother trying to argument with me you fool~
You obviously have no Idea what you talking about and generalizing all gachas is not helping lol 🤣💦
@@aerissai8341 well fgo sure has been around for quite some time now... its been 9 years now and i dont think its going to be EOS soon.
One I things I hate about gacha games is; your life depends on it, feels like chores and the lack of escapism.
SO TRUE, like the only way to grind in a good way is you either pay or spend most of your life on the game playing it daily
That's not a gacha game specific thing
That also is in MMO and RPG games.
Plus a few other types.
@@syntheticat24 I 2nd that for MMOs. I used to play a popular MMO (it shall be unnamed, fuck that game) and it's genuinely just unhealthy and unfun. You're a slave to the game one way or another. Either you're grinding the boring end-game near endlessly or you're addicted to the company of other people and YOU SHOULD NEVER get attached to people through an MMO.
RPG games have an ending and I don't think it's the same thing. It's fine to be excited about a particular RPG and play it 1-3 weeks if time allows if you got nothing better to do. You'll eventually finish it and move on.
@paledrake Some RPG games can go on forever in few cases.
But they still don't always, although the exact thing, is MMORPG games, which combines the two.
If you want to progress, you need to play every day. Playing more in a day yields nothing. Playing better yields nothing. Some of them would be outright good games if you could just play and progress like a normal game.
People need to understand that gacha games don't just drain your wallet, but also your time (and sanity). Just steer clear away from these malicious "games".
some gachas would be much better games if they weren't gacha
exactly lmao like genshin for example
@@ttiaguinhosi agree so heavy on that, but we all know the game wouldn’t make this much amount of profit. I hate to admit. But damn i love the characters in the game, while hate the predatory practices behind it.
Excellent video of a difficult topic. It's almost a taboo amongst gacha players, if you try to discuss this with them you're almost sure to receive major backlash. I guess it's hard to see reason if you're stuck in deep. I just dropped my gachas and returned to indie single player games I bought from steam with a few bucks. First game sessions actually felt weird because I was constantly surprised that I got new characters and stuff for FREE and didn't have to gamble for them. Yes, it's insane and I'm glad I broke free of the gacha spell.
Curiously enough, Granblue Fantasy Relink just released a couple weeks ago and guess what, it's pretty much a gacha game without the gacha (you buy the game, you get the game, and that's it). The combat and endgame is tons of fun, you unlock all the characters by playing it and progression is completely paced by the player, instead of resin bullshit. This game, at least to me, completely buries the mental gymnastics gacha players do to justify its existence.
I hate that this only has 1k views
U deserve more
Kinda fascinating that companies have discovered they can make more money by making a game bad on purpose then they would if they tried to make good games
People justifying gacha games are retards, those games will ruin your mind and credit card if you get addicted to them(well, they're made to be super addicting so...).
Simply as that, lootboxes are a epidemic in the modern gaming world, i'll say worse because that mechanic is everywhere and i mean EVERYWHERE.
Just stay away from those "videogames", nft games are honest in comparison of gacha games that are literally human bait.
Easier said then done especially, if u already fallen for them
Its always easier from the outside to be more wise good for u lol 😂
@@simonshura9144then continue to waste resources on pixels 😂
Sorry for interfering but I couldn't control
Not really, it should really have a warning label for people who get addicted, because it is gambling obviously.
But I don't think you're that word for enjoying gambling, it's existed for longer than gaming, gambling isn't limited to games.
They are fine, unless you begin to get addicted. If someone has signs of addiction, then stop them at all costs.
@@syntheticat24 If you want to gamble go gamble at a casino. At least you get the chance of winning some money there unlike in gacha games where you're throwing money into a digital abyss that will close up the second the servers shut down.
@paledrake Actually, it's worse at a casino
With casinos, people will spend their winnings and come out with nothing, meaning they lost money when they could've won, casinos can be even worse in some cases.
Also, is it really different from gaming as a whole, the second a game with in-game cosmetics shuts down, all of that is gone, if a game that had DLC like old cod games which is a perfect example, shut down or got overran with hackers, it's no different.
Blaming gacha games just because they seem predatory, doesn't mean the other games aren't bad too.
Plus, every game takes immense hours away from people's life.
It's for fun, people play games for fun, so what's the problem with one, when they all have the same problem. Free to Play games while playing F2P is the only way to not lose anything but time.
My exact frustrations too man. You said everything I would’ve.
Atleast with a real gacha machine, you get something cool and intereating to keep but with a digital game, once the servers are gone, that's it. Move on to the next big thing and just take your loses.
This, and the worse part is that there're a lot of people justifying those games and their predatory systems, casinos seem nicer compared to those virtual scams.
I say u buy support the experience in these games with money rather then trying to get more out of it like for example in a real casino money 😂
In gachas its bout waifus and fun gambling for them thats it
You get memories of what happened, especially if you take a screenshot.
Plus, some of them go on for 10+ years.
If you win at a casino, you will spend that money elsewhere too, or just gamble that and lose it all.
So really, tell me what the difference is here?
Also, you can easily not spend money if you aren't easily addicted.
@@syntheticat24 My gripe is that this is designed to make as much profit as possible. Call me old school but I like having a full product and not expected to return back and buy the same product just so I can get that one thing they deliberatley remove in order to gain maximum income. To me, that's a scam. The problem is that many game companies look at gacha and see it as a means to make more profit, so a company would deliberatley go out of their way to shoe horn such a model into their game(look how quick they were to implement NFTs and downplay it the moment they got flak for it). And the more prevelant it is the more encouraging it will be for them to implement it. Because you'd be the one missing out for not implementing such a money making mechanic. I've played previous game by moon studios but their recent entry has been somewhat a red flag. Not the worst form of gacha, I would say it's somewhat mild but the incentive was clearly there. I also do not support gambling. I personaly cosnider it a waste of money at best, harmful and predatory at worst. Only reason casino or gambling in general does not become illegal is due to market. If you ban something, that something will grow in value. There are people with gambling addictions and these companies know it, and they will exploit it cause there's a market for it. And addiction is a chronic mental health disorder.
The main thing that sucks about these games is they lack an actual story
while I love genshin impact have to admit it's monetization is pretty slimy. Hell I would say the gambling part isnt even the most corrupt part of the game its the insane resin system that forces you to spend money if you want any artifacts that are useful. Seriously the rates of the artifacts makes them endlessly monetizable if you dont have luck. At least the wish system youll eventually get what you want even for free if you plan and play carefully but artifacts are trully limitless in how disgusting p2w they are.
@Hunter also while I still think this game takes things too far i honestly didn't age well with my comment hahaha Diablo immortal is endlessly monetizable I mean genshin is bad but it's a kiddie pool compared to how evil progression is in Diablo immortal holy shit man things just keep getting worse.
@Hunter I already avoid blizzard games myself I haven't touched them but I been watching this Diablo immortal thing play out and it's very worrying.
@@RaidenKaiser I haven't spent a cent on genshin and I have a quality account interim of characters. But yes the resin system is insane.
ah yes, the gay insult@WOODY27521
@@RaidenKaiser you can't buy resin so how is it p2w
There is an untapped market in mobile gaming which would be good games that are consumer friendly. You may make a quick buck by using predatory tactics. But people like myself appreciate good well made games intended to be a good product and not a scheme. And when I find a good game like this I do spend money. This is why I think supercell is successful right now clash does have micro transactions but it is free to play friendly
I like Genshin Impact only for the story but I would never spend a single cent for characters
im just a f2p fucking god
The story isn't even that good. Sure, you have Archon Story quest and other character story quest but where's the relevancy in those characters? None of the characters ever joined the (cardboard cutout) main character's search for their sibling, in fact, none of them are involved in the main plotline...
@StupidDumbasses15 only real story is dainsleif quests
He just drops lore and leaves
That's usally when I come back to the game
Tbf....you are not suppose to. Wish most gamers realise this before they spend
But, how many hours did you spent for grinding in that game?
Just to add aside from me having the same feelings towards gacha games like you, just by it being a gacha game by itself, the gameplay and mechanics are bound to the "gacha" elements/ mechanic such as the energy, gacha/ fomo elements, characters and abilities etc.
While I find gacha games with more simple mechanics (like FGO, Blue Archive, Uma Musume and more) slightly more acceptable than those trying to implement more and more gameplay mechanics such as Open-World, Character/ Player progression, gameplay mechanics, abilities etc (like Genshin Impact & Other Mihoyo Games, HSR is a poor excuse of a turn based game ngl, PGR, WuWa and more) I gave some a shot and always end up finding the same faults in game design which makes it worse by the gacha elements which ends up just making it shallow, and find it predatory as a game. Sure, those games look good visually but as a game itself, they're not.
I would definitely say that if those gacha games aren't gacha to begin with and as a proper game, I would definitely love play them and probably love them even.
Used to play this game called "final fable" way back when by IGG. This was around 2015. I thought spending 70 bucks on this game was obscene for some "loot type" system characters. Boy was I wrong. Interestingly enough IGG rug pulled the game from the app store shortly after its launch likely because they realized they could get even stupider with the pull rates on a more traditional gacha format. Its insane how almost every "mythic (generic title here)" gacha follows the same format almost cut and past and most got it from that game "final fable" which has been reused since at least 2015. Almost as ridiculous as a new NBA 2k game every year
I'm a gacha game player, but I 100% agree with you.
alot of gacha games don't even specify that they're gacha games, and this is a problem.
for example, I got into Genshin bc of the aesthetics and the story seemed interesting, I didn't know I was gonna get sucked into the gacha rabbithole...
now I don't really like the direction the story is taking, just a bunch of depressing crap for no reason.
I feel like there has to be a reason behind that, and it seems like it could be connected to the fact most of these gacha games hire psychologists to make their games addicting...
not only do they make the characters' design overly s*xual, they also give them sad backstories to make you feel for them.
and they have recently been overusing that for a good while now that it doesn't work on me anymore, but it still does for plenty of people surprisingly...
now the only reason I still play Genshin is bc of one of my favourite characters, Lyney.
when a character is the reason you're still playing a game, that means you're doing smth wrong.
ah well, thank you for listening to my rant.
And what's frustrating is that hoyoverse can,in fact, write a good story, example: honkai impact 3rd
@@AdamDj-ic3kr Yeah. I haven't touched them yet, but I've seen snippets and it's become a painful pill to swallow that they could probably make good, nonpredatory games if they wanted to. For a long time, I wanted to believe there was just no way a game made with such greedy ambitions could be good.
Now, I'm just avoiding them on principle, and because I just don't trust myself to not get hooked in a bad way. Same reason I never touched World of Warcraft.
@@sageoftruth as a F2P gacha player,of you really don't trust yourself with not spending money on them,then yeah, avoid these games entirely,also,I think that's also a you problem (partly,gacha is still fundamentally predatory)I recommend learning some self control, I'm not saying that to be condescending, just a little advice for you, have a good day
@@AdamDj-ic3kr Don't worry, I have no plans to.
I suggest just taking a character from your favorite Gacha game, print the character for a picture frame and hang it on your bedroom wall. You will be more content with just taking their characters and printing out your own merch you can keep instead of playing these abhorrent games...
bbbbut they are f2p friendly!!
Still, Gacha games are bad, trash, garbage, a stain of society.
True but you spend something else while you play. Your time
Some can be actually, but that's still only SOME of them, aka not too many.
Everyone that says that doesn't do FTP. Ever. They know full well spending nothing means hopping on, having statistically worse everything compared to paid players that locks you out of the vast majority of newer things (time creep that scales from a month to a year) and your option for "gameplay" is simpleton daily chores that you can do with your eyes closed in no more than an hour and fuck off until tomorrow. And you better be back tomorrow otherwise that time creep for actual content just gets longer and longer.
Fucking disgusting game design.
The only gacha game I hate is character building with annoying a$$ RNG of farming resources to make your characters stronger and it gets harder and takes so damn long to get the good build
Meanwhile I somehow managed to find a Gacha game LESS predatory than the developers MMOs.
No excusing practices; just interesting when Nexon makes both Maplestory and Blue Archive and the Gacha game isn’t even in their top 4 earning games.
Maplestory recently saw its highest quarterly earnings report in Q1 of this year and FCO is a huge pusher.
I won’t defend Gacha, but I will say I play it cus I enjoy lotteries and would rather invest in a Gacha lottery than the actual lottery.
That final fantasy song is beautiful i stg
I only play FGO because of the gameplay and because I can make a meta team being f2p, that and because I don't easily fall into addictions, xd, although I must say that gacha are not the only games where monetization is a problem, in fighting games Like guilty gear, the thing is the same and even worse since 99% of the DLC characters are paid and very OP at the outset, being esports games and they have their players so brainwashed that they want to pay for characters to the point of reaching to spend more than u$d 100 when they already paid another 70 for the game xd
As a guilty gear strive fan, I agree with you on the guilty gear part. Arcsys is so greedy to the point that they make almost all of the fanfavorite characters (like baiken, testament, slayer, aba, bridget, etc) as paid dlc's which is honestly a huge dick move. But many guilty gear strive fans ignore the too much paid dlc's part because that most of them are braindead as fuck.
Arcsys being super greedy makes Mihoyo generous and f2p friendly to the genshin playerbase
@@vivianbrights8953 At least Genshin Impact is free to play and single player, Guilty is competitive multiplayer and paid lol
One of the things that gives gacha games a very bad reputation is that they are known to have very short lifespans, with 50% of them shutting down in 3 or even 2 years at average. 2023 saw a ton of gacha games that didn't even last a year. And there's scummy practices like the "shameless copy/bootleg" and VIP tier benefits
I’m surprised there aren’t more videos about the gacha aspects of Skullgirls mobile. It features the gambling aspects of almost every gacha game and then some, with the worst character drop rates I’ve seen. my immediate reaction upon first playing it was that it was the best-monetized game I had ever seen
I got sucked in the void and spent maybe ~$200. I don’t regret that nearly as much as the countless hours spent grinding. womp womp
what I found particularly… disturbing, was that ~70% of the chat appeared to be minors (they were very open with their age, which is a whole other topic). real stand-up behavior on the dev's part marketing thinly veiled gambling to teenagers
anyways I deleted my account so uhh hopefully I learned my lesson
Going to download this, because this video is masterpiece and if its get deleted i will repost it.
1:57 Fire Emblem Heroes. Yeah I seen it release, after that Super Mario Run. I was interested, took a closer look and... quit right away. Because basically the game uses the worst RPG mechanic I remember from World of Warcraft, in which I ran an old Raid, killed one boss that has 10 drops and each time he drops 2 items out of 10. I managed to have to run that Raid over 30 times before I seen the item I wanted drop once. That is how "random" works, despite our brain telling us that 2 out of 10 should not be that "hard" to see each item after 10 runs once. The truth is in true RNG you can kill that Boss 100 times and never see one particular item once.
But then you need to remember... in computer there is no true RNG. You can manipulate it, turn one knob and the top price never gets paid out, simple as that. That is why going to Las Vegas to those computerized slot machines is a scam, the same it is with many other machines that have some price payout or prize tickets.
They are all NOT TRUE RANDOM like flipping a coin or mixing cards and playing a round of poker.
You make really good points which make sense. Good video!
Another certified banger
I guess you prefer games where you need to pay upfront first before you play.
Another predatory function is the "influencer" side of things. It encourages whaling by outright requiring it if you want to make "content" on the game.
This shit really needs to go away.
i regret spending $400 in genshin impact
a good gacha game is a traditional game with RNG element, while a predatory one is a slot machine disguised as a game.
I also find it infuriating that somehow gacha had managed to infiltrate pure single player games, like in Xenoblade 2 where you need luck just to ‘pull’ a useful blade.
Honestly i love and hate gacha games at the same time.
Why i love it?because surprisingly many gacha games are really good to play that AAA games this time(better than *cough* ubisoft ultimate meh edition) with battlepass.
and you don't need to spend the money if you want(still you need to spend your "dedication" and "time" more than p2w player).
But i hate it because it's more addicting than offline games(why i'm wasting my time and taking less to sleep just to farm material in gacha games)
Let's give an example : Total price 80 pulls for genshin impact is 70$(atleast that's from my country)
and you can lose 50/50 at the first time if you're not lucky.
There's some battlepass and subscription too but kinda "meh" still i don't like that one.
That's why i love offline games more even i just can play older games without any type of "gacha" system.
I would rather spend hundred of dollar for buying offline older games than spend to any gacha games again.
I recently uninstalled Gacha Game like Genshin Impact,Wuthering Waves and Honkai Star Rail because it's kinda too much addictiong for me,even there's "important" event like Wuthering Waves they try to increase the playerbase with massive event in this patch and "free" character but seriously i'm tired man,i want to stop the addiction rn.
Sorry for my bad english,but seriously i'm tired of gacha games.
Gacha Gamers are often addicts
They're too lost in the sauce
Gacha games are junk food. None excel at gameplay, theres always a single player option with better gameplay to replace it. The sole exception seems to be Nikke.
I feel you bro this video is a slap on the back for me
Nice ff13 background music
Like onlinegames mmo etc and mobile games its just same in the end surely spending too. even who say low spend thats same as p2w no matter what saying low spend. in the end just playing singelplayer games XD
@@tangomilano4503Not really.
@@syntheticat24 Wdym not really
@@tangomilano4503 Not many that I've played had one, just cache shops.
Gamedev here!
I have a special heavy dislike for gacha “games” because most of these *barely are a “”game””*.
Let me explain:
From my small experiences on Arknights and Blue Archive, you just stare at the screen, press some optional buttons and wait for the best, that’s Not gameplay for me (specially Blue Archive, the anime girls just shoots, cover up, run and all without any participation form the player but just to see), also a lot of these games are either text walls or cinematics and as for me;
If I want to read something: I can read Raptor Red or Jurassic Park (novel).
If I want to watch something: I can watch any Godzilla film.
I recently installed and uninstalled Blue Archive, while I was “”playing””, I started to miss Helldivers 2 way more and made me appreciate Skyrim and other indie games (Anger Foot), I quitted Blue Archive and came back to Helldivers, and guess what?: I had a blast.
I call it a happy ending for democracy.
(Also Plants vs Zombies is the best tower defense).
Take in mind that I’m more into fast-paced frenetic action (any Doom game, Dusk and Ultrakill) than most mobile games (I do have some on my phone but they’re mostly for killing time, ultra casual ones), also I like Skyrim and Minecraft (been playing MC since 2011) because: every session is a new adventure and I make a new memory, gacha “games”, with the FOMO, limit events and daily rewards feels more like a burden chore than make a new memory.
With that and other things (don’t get me started on how some gachas allows you to marry the girls), I tend to say:
“Gacha ‘games’ are a betrayal to what games are.”
You'll own nothing and be happy.
I agree with most of this video, however I still dont consider them gambling. Gambling to me means a chance of a monetary payout. You cant "cash out" it a gatcha game.
It's still gambling, your rolling a chance to get a certain thing that you want.
:)
Its called gacha for a reason they gacha money
No different from those F2P MMOs.
Type I hate gacha game plz I want to Ban gacha game PLZ😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Nah, People are free to make their own choices, While I do agree they absolutely have brought down the quality of games in general, Banning them isn't the right choice.
@theremix54 I actually disagree, the quality of games went down on their own.
And it isn't Gacha games at fault.
It's the companies running games like CoD.
You have EA and Epic games who are also unreasonably greedy, it's the industry itself.