So the word Gacha was based off the word "Gachapon", I always thought it was based off of the word "Gotcha" which is what the developers say when you get shafted.
Grand Summoners is one of my favorite games …. 5 years later I deleted my acc worth thousands because of bad power creep & toxic players … they don’t listen to the player base @ all so fuck them
El Dorado, Incredible Tank, and likely Gold Tower Defense has a “meta of the month” mechanic where a certain type of unit (a particular character) gets a special multiplier buff for the whole month Example: January: Khan units buffed February: Koo units buffed March: Ace units buffed April: Goldman units buffed and so on…
Impeccable timing to drop this video since a civil war erupted a few hours before this video dropped in the spirit pledge community over the new unit, nice and informative video as well 👍
These kind of videos are really good and informative and I do hope you guys do more of these, not just for gacha. I'm sure this is already in the idea bank but a video on the value of f2p players and whales would also be really cool to see!
The video was good also as it was voiced by homie , editing was also good and script was good but people who don't know two or one of the games wouldn't know what that game actually about is so yeah they won't be able to understand the basic concept or PVE or PVP , that's why explain a bit about those games only short not much
I would say the worst case of powercreep in gacha I ever saw was dokkans 1st aniversry when they released str Gogeta. At that point no one came close to him at anything he did. His leader skill was the same as everyone else except his allowed anyone. His damage was way higher than anyone else could even come close to at the time and even for a fair while after, his defence was pretty solid too. Even the other characters they sold as his equals wasn't close to his level of power and the other you just ran with Gogeta. Not since Gogeta have I ever seen anything come close to how over powered he really was.
Love the video, it explains how Delicate powercreep is. But some questions I want to know your opinion is... Is powercreep needed? What if the opposite happened where every new character release it gets worst?
I had no idea that legends is a repeat offender of power spikes...they really don’t get it. Who’s the next unit that’s gonna introduce power spike,, Gogeta Blue? Zenkai Vegito Blue? They’ll kill their own game. Also, please do more videos like this, good analysis
that sounds like legends 2nd anniversary where for months vegito blue was the meta. I do remember gala cleo, i accidentally pulled her never really used her to her full potential.
That's why Azur lane is the best when it comes to powercreep. It's still there, but the game is designed from the ground up to allow you to get every ship ever(Unless they get censored out of the CN version(still in JP and EN tho)) and just makes big bank by selling skins. Very cultured skins.
@@yep1486 Pretty much, with collab ships being the exception. Tough we're having a collab rerun for the first time right now, so even there some might come back.
8:38 This is why i sometimes hate public rooms in this game. You dont have it sucks to be you. Thats why i just lose all motivation sometimes to play this game. Thank fully i found friends who i can rely on to carry me regardless of what i bring. 9:47 LOL Karina Meta. This is a very well put together video and the footage matched the narration. Congrats.
This is such a well informed video. The only thing I would correct is that Gala Cleo wasn't just the strongest unit. She was the strongest unit for everything. It didn't matter what it was, Gala Cleo would be able to clear it with little to no effort. Thank god we have Okada now because the person before him did not know how to manage the game
Nice video. I would add that STR Gogeta also had attacks effective against all types, which iirc was the first card with that ability. Players had extra incentive to run him on their teams on top of the reasons you already listed.
I like Granblue Fantasy. Powercreep is super slow cause there's 3 kinds you pull for, characters, summons, and weapons. Summons is like Dokkan Battle Leader skill which are called Aura in Granblue Fantasy, except you can have 6 summons but just like Dokkan only 2 will have that leader skill, one from you and another from friend, the rest is for the normal skill rather than a passive skill like leader. And weapons are your main source of damage, hack Summon leader skill are more common to boost your weapon rather than your character, therefore meaning weapons are more important than characters in terms of damage which also helps if you only have SR, thought SSR character is alot better. On top of all that characters don't even have duplicates, so you get them once and that's it. Not to mention all characters comes with their own weapon, so SSR characters comes with SSR weapons too. So if you were lucky enough to get 3 SSR characters in 1 multi then you also get 3 SSR weapons with them. Oh, and you only need to worry about 3 summons with leader skills, unlike Dokkan Battle where better leader character comes out, in Granblue it'll always be the same 3, they decided to just make those 3 leader skill better rather than releasing new summon with better skill. Main character are top tier too, there's 25+ classes to choose from all "only" grindable to unlock, can use any weapons in the game including duel-wield, can be male or female, alot of Ultimate to choose from, massive skill tree, and can be any element in the game too. There's 3 type of weapon. Omega (from raid aka free), EX (from "reoccurring" events aka free), and Normal (from crafting aka free also, and from gacha). You combine all 3 of them together in order to get the most optimal damage. You can equip upto 10 weapons, however you equip them to your party rather than your character, which means all your wind characters can have the same wind weapons, unlike Genshin where only few can have SSR weapons. So yea, gacha weapon isn't the best all the time which is cool cause f2p friendly. And one of the 3 best summon leader skill is grindable from the raid too. Powercreep is also slow cause of the damage cap too, like maybe the character cap is 3 million so no matter how high your damage is, it'll always be 3 million for example, there are ways to increase the cap but by having the cap they made it so the damage won't be as abusive to increase and make powercreep very slow too. The pity needs alot, like 300 pull even aka 30 multi, however not only are they super generous, but you'll also get bunch of SSR before that, and when you do get to the pity you can choice 1 of the SSR in the banner therefore making it possible to get 1 top tier character (and weapon cause weapon comes with the character) that you haven't gotten yet, rather than giving you only that 1 character that most gacha pity seems to do. Most SSR characters are in the gacha, but there are some top tier SSR characters that's only obtainable through grind alone though which is also nice. So yea. If you think about it then it do sound like they aren't making much money, but the game been out since 2014 (even older than Dokkan Battle) so that might be the reason despite how good the game is. It's funny they fixed those problem despite being so old, it's like the role has been reversed where the future games add bad things rather than good things. On top of that, the game can be played on PC too without using Emulator. There are 800 characters though, plus there's summon and weapons in the banner too so I guess that's also how they can earn more money despite being F2P friendly. Lol XD
The moment I saw PUR Broly as the example I was ready.... This was very informative and I really enjoy this every now and then so I'd like to see more to balance out the fun stuff and informative stuff. (Eventhough I consider this video on both categories). Keep it up guys!
Plz do nore videos like this, analysis like this are really good and informative. Probably add in a different member as well so we can hear 2 people's opinions at the same time
I really like it, however, not every discussion video should be like this, rather explanations. For example, like in this video, what is a gacha for those who are not familiar. Stuff like that
I really love this style of video! The only thing I would want to improve is maybe to do some double takes on some lines that feel a little clunky or have stutters in them. Other than that it was a super great video!
5:01 oh no they are talking about gleo, also great video. It was really fun and the editor hid a lot of easter eggs for those who know about the games, hopefully we get to see more of these in the future
there are two sides to power creeping if you think about it. Sure it does hurt the game in the long run but without new stuffs coming, people lose interest and the company makes no money. The real issue here is money. If you look at the world of gaming, there are more people wanting to be f2p than p2w. Every game has higher f2p population than p2w. In order to make money, you have to rely on the p2w population and increase the population of p2w. How to do that? Power creeping. It's a tough world really
Ah yes, "in-depth". This only applies to *PvP* gacha games. Power creeps is not the only reason why people pull for gacha. Most people do them simply to get the characters they like, regardless of whether they are good or not, be it due to unique gameplay or simply visual aesthetics like waifus and husbandos. In short, you are either presenting an incomplete arguement, or you are deliberately using a clickbait title.
There’s a lot of wide open examples of this. Some release a festive unit, totally meant for the current holiday...you would think, then you come to find out they dominate PVP? And if you don’t have them, you’re screwed? Even if their overall kit was designed FOR PVE, the unit breaks PVP. Was this fixed? No, because the company just wanted the player base’s money and not care what meta was currently being destroyed. Another example/s are Bleach Brave Souls and Dissidia Final Fantasy. Both are at points where if you haven’t leveled up your units to the highest tier of power, people will leave your lobbies. At what point are we like “if you don’t have level 90 Cloud/ fully maxed out manga Ichigo, leave my damn game”? The average gacha player is so casual. Don’t let your communities just cater to whales, aren’t games suppose to be about fun? Power creep just breeds toxicity and community splits. May be an unpopular opinion, but I believe every unit should be balanced around the same might, but have different visuals etc, so only a personal choice in whatever character you desire, is decided in summoning and NOT because you need said unit to succeed. Every unit should be able to beat everything, not get dated after a few years, after a few months. But this even goes beyond gachas. FPS games and MMOs even.
The best gacha I have ever played in terms of power creep and game balance are Arknights and FGO. Both of these games have units that were in the game day 1 and are still some of the best units in the game.
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Ah yeah the purple broly meta....that was a brutal and dark experience ..
But at the same time ome great meta also
I never played pvp much at that time thankfully. ..Even though I had Broly
And there are people wishing for his zenkai nowadays.
@@gabrielh.a.p9989 Those people better not complain when they get destroyed by him on a daily basis
I had quit the game when that meta started
Nice goresh is the one talking i like his voice
Goresh carrying 59gaming with his in depth videos, great analysis and his world record gameplay.
@@JoseRufus Actually sora did the analysis and scripting. He took over 30 hours doing this so you might wanna give him the credit where’s it due
@@karbyboi8489 no
Lmao
@@JoseRufus Yes
I feel like fgo solved this by having the characters be well written in the story, so you roll for them whether they’re good or not
I still remember when Gilgamesh was the strongest AoE and can even be used as an ST Damage dealer in FGO
And then Arjuna Alter shows up
this is the kind of content i'm looking forward from now on from this channel (and the podcast of course)
So the word Gacha was based off the word "Gachapon",
I always thought it was based off of the word "Gotcha" which is what the developers say when you get shafted.
Man that editing was really good cause taking clips from different adding animation and doing all this is sure very time taking see you on ff7 stream
Grand Summoners is one of my favorite games …. 5 years later I deleted my acc worth thousands because of bad power creep & toxic players … they don’t listen to the player base @ all so fuck them
I just realized that Legends islike Yu-Gi-Oh, if Yu-Gi-Oh didn't ban it's crazy busted cards and just made more crazy busted cards.
10/10 on the quality
El Dorado, Incredible Tank, and likely Gold Tower Defense has a “meta of the month” mechanic where a certain type of unit (a particular character) gets a special multiplier buff for the whole month
Example:
January: Khan units buffed
February: Koo units buffed
March: Ace units buffed
April: Goldman units buffed
and so on…
Impeccable timing to drop this video since a civil war erupted a few hours before this video dropped in the spirit pledge community over the new unit, nice and informative video as well 👍
An excellently, well-made video! I would love to see more of these videos in the future! Keep up the great work and keep having fun, 59Gaming!!
Great video. I like the structured breakdown. I'm surprised you talked about dragalia because you've only mentioned it in passing so far.
Fantastic video. This is the kind of content I want to see from you guys the most
This video was wonderful! I see nothing that needs improvement if I'm being completely honest!
To Sora, yep that was really nice, very enjoyable to watch and listen (thanks Goresh). Keep it up, great work!
The coolest gacha games were around 2016-2018 & they all shut down or went to Jp only
These kind of videos are really good and informative and I do hope you guys do more of these, not just for gacha.
I'm sure this is already in the idea bank but a video on the value of f2p players and whales would also be really cool to see!
Sora is the editing goat. It was awesome and very well put together
The video was good also as it was voiced by homie , editing was also good and script was good but people who don't know two or one of the games wouldn't know what that game actually about is so yeah they won't be able to understand the basic concept or PVE or PVP , that's why explain a bit about those games only short not much
I would say the worst case of powercreep in gacha I ever saw was dokkans 1st aniversry when they released str Gogeta. At that point no one came close to him at anything he did. His leader skill was the same as everyone else except his allowed anyone. His damage was way higher than anyone else could even come close to at the time and even for a fair while after, his defence was pretty solid too. Even the other characters they sold as his equals wasn't close to his level of power and the other you just ran with Gogeta.
Not since Gogeta have I ever seen anything come close to how over powered he really was.
Love the video, it explains how Delicate powercreep is.
But some questions I want to know your opinion is...
Is powercreep needed?
What if the opposite happened where every new character release it gets worst?
30 hours to make this and it’s ducking perfect
I had no idea that legends is a repeat offender of power spikes...they really don’t get it. Who’s the next unit that’s gonna introduce power spike,, Gogeta Blue? Zenkai Vegito Blue? They’ll kill their own game. Also, please do more videos like this, good analysis
pretty good but in many sections like on 8:42 - 9:02, maybe u could put something so its just not the background running without context
yeah like some gameplay
that sounds like legends 2nd anniversary where for months vegito blue was the meta. I do remember gala cleo, i accidentally pulled her never really used her to her full potential.
after 2yr i can say genshin is the only game that still didn't got powercreep instead it got reverse powercreep
That's why Azur lane is the best when it comes to powercreep.
It's still there, but the game is designed from the ground up to allow you to get every ship ever(Unless they get censored out of the CN version(still in JP and EN tho)) and just makes big bank by selling skins.
Very cultured skins.
Waifu fleets are best fleets.
so Azur lane let you have the potential of gaining ANY ship regardless of how late you begin to play?
@@yep1486 Pretty much, with collab ships being the exception. Tough we're having a collab rerun for the first time right now, so even there some might come back.
Great Video. Maybe you could also tackle the history of some old gachas and how their power creep lead to it being shut down.
I think this kind of videos with 3xplanation and even history helps being more knowledgeable and also more informed when criticizing the games we play
8:38 This is why i sometimes hate public rooms in this game. You dont have it sucks to be you. Thats why i just lose all motivation sometimes to play this game. Thank fully i found friends who i can rely on to carry me regardless of what i bring.
9:47 LOL Karina Meta.
This is a very well put together video and the footage matched the narration. Congrats.
Karina popping up in the "invading content" bit had me dying
Starting off with Brave Frontier. My first gacha.
Good times.
This is such a well informed video. The only thing I would correct is that Gala Cleo wasn't just the strongest unit. She was the strongest unit for everything. It didn't matter what it was, Gala Cleo would be able to clear it with little to no effort.
Thank god we have Okada now because the person before him did not know how to manage the game
Nice video. I would add that STR Gogeta also had attacks effective against all types, which iirc was the first card with that ability. Players had extra incentive to run him on their teams on top of the reasons you already listed.
There should be multiple hosts for the video would be nice to see even the editors as the vice for discussions and explanations
I like Granblue Fantasy. Powercreep is super slow cause there's 3 kinds you pull for, characters, summons, and weapons. Summons is like Dokkan Battle Leader skill which are called Aura in Granblue Fantasy, except you can have 6 summons but just like Dokkan only 2 will have that leader skill, one from you and another from friend, the rest is for the normal skill rather than a passive skill like leader. And weapons are your main source of damage, hack Summon leader skill are more common to boost your weapon rather than your character, therefore meaning weapons are more important than characters in terms of damage which also helps if you only have SR, thought SSR character is alot better.
On top of all that characters don't even have duplicates, so you get them once and that's it. Not to mention all characters comes with their own weapon, so SSR characters comes with SSR weapons too. So if you were lucky enough to get 3 SSR characters in 1 multi then you also get 3 SSR weapons with them. Oh, and you only need to worry about 3 summons with leader skills, unlike Dokkan Battle where better leader character comes out, in Granblue it'll always be the same 3, they decided to just make those 3 leader skill better rather than releasing new summon with better skill. Main character are top tier too, there's 25+ classes to choose from all "only" grindable to unlock, can use any weapons in the game including duel-wield, can be male or female, alot of Ultimate to choose from, massive skill tree, and can be any element in the game too.
There's 3 type of weapon. Omega (from raid aka free), EX (from "reoccurring" events aka free), and Normal (from crafting aka free also, and from gacha). You combine all 3 of them together in order to get the most optimal damage. You can equip upto 10 weapons, however you equip them to your party rather than your character, which means all your wind characters can have the same wind weapons, unlike Genshin where only few can have SSR weapons. So yea, gacha weapon isn't the best all the time which is cool cause f2p friendly. And one of the 3 best summon leader skill is grindable from the raid too. Powercreep is also slow cause of the damage cap too, like maybe the character cap is 3 million so no matter how high your damage is, it'll always be 3 million for example, there are ways to increase the cap but by having the cap they made it so the damage won't be as abusive to increase and make powercreep very slow too. The pity needs alot, like 300 pull even aka 30 multi, however not only are they super generous, but you'll also get bunch of SSR before that, and when you do get to the pity you can choice 1 of the SSR in the banner therefore making it possible to get 1 top tier character (and weapon cause weapon comes with the character) that you haven't gotten yet, rather than giving you only that 1 character that most gacha pity seems to do. Most SSR characters are in the gacha, but there are some top tier SSR characters that's only obtainable through grind alone though which is also nice.
So yea. If you think about it then it do sound like they aren't making much money, but the game been out since 2014 (even older than Dokkan Battle) so that might be the reason despite how good the game is. It's funny they fixed those problem despite being so old, it's like the role has been reversed where the future games add bad things rather than good things. On top of that, the game can be played on PC too without using Emulator. There are 800 characters though, plus there's summon and weapons in the banner too so I guess that's also how they can earn more money despite being F2P friendly. Lol XD
The moment I saw PUR Broly as the example I was ready....
This was very informative and I really enjoy this every now and then so I'd like to see more to balance out the fun stuff and informative stuff. (Eventhough I consider this video on both categories). Keep it up guys!
Plz do nore videos like this, analysis like this are really good and informative. Probably add in a different member as well so we can hear 2 people's opinions at the same time
That fact that Goku Black hasn’t got that powercrept is the biggest surprise to me tbh
Yeah he’s still godly even at 6 stars
I mean run with whis and he can out damage Gohan after using 2 green cards
Hell yeah, Dragalia Lost got a spotlight. wrong reason but lemme take my victories
I love dragalia lost! but this wasn't exactly the video to give it the spotlight lol
@@SoraFinalMix not at all lmao. At least Dokkan and Legends received similar criticisms
Would love more videos like this
street fighter sunset trap music at the beginning, love it!
This was a great analysis!
We need more Analysis videos please!! Very informative and interesting!!
Video was good, i'd say you guys did a fine job for a first scripted video
Nice to have put french subtitles
I hope professor goresh gives us more lessons in the future
Loved this , know. I understand more in depth what power creep is
I really like it, however, not every discussion video should be like this, rather explanations. For example, like in this video, what is a gacha for those who are not familiar. Stuff like that
You forgot about blast armor and regaining vanish on blast armor lmao.
Great video as always guys! Liking the new style but dont get rid of the non scripted ones either. Those are fun to watch.
Yes Sora, I really really liked this video and would love to see more of this type of video! Subscribed!
Very intriguing and philosophical and informative indeed.
I really love this style of video! The only thing I would want to improve is maybe to do some double takes on some lines that feel a little clunky or have stutters in them. Other than that it was a super great video!
Thanks for the video. I really like this concept style . Pleas keep doing more!
this is the first video i’ve watched on your channel, and i love it i subscribed because of it i hope to see more of it
Very good video learned a lot I like this format of teaching hope we can have some videos like this with some game play tips
I love this mans voice
This is an amazing Video
I love it, keep up the really good work 59
This is an excellent video 59gaming, keep up the grinding!
5:01 oh no they are talking about gleo, also great video. It was really fun and the editor hid a lot of easter eggs for those who know about the games, hopefully we get to see more of these in the future
This was a fun yet informative watch, keep it up
Yes I want more videos like this, I loved the editing
there are two sides to power creeping if you think about it. Sure it does hurt the game in the long run but without new stuffs coming, people lose interest and the company makes no money. The real issue here is money. If you look at the world of gaming, there are more people wanting to be f2p than p2w. Every game has higher f2p population than p2w. In order to make money, you have to rely on the p2w population and increase the population of p2w. How to do that? Power creeping. It's a tough world really
Very interesting video and great analysis! I loved this!!! I really wanna see more of this from you guys!
Sora : The God of Editing.
I like it. Hope for more videos like in the future
Ah yes, "in-depth". This only applies to *PvP* gacha games. Power creeps is not the only reason why people pull for gacha. Most people do them simply to get the characters they like, regardless of whether they are good or not, be it due to unique gameplay or simply visual aesthetics like waifus and husbandos.
In short, you are either presenting an incomplete arguement, or you are deliberately using a clickbait title.
Beast Gohan is too broken. Beyond game breaking.
Hi 59 gaming1 thx for that it was great we definitely would love to see more of this type of vid #pureskill
Love the video guys!!! Keep up the great work
Good video. nice work 59!
This was a great video, fellas. Keep it up!!
Well made video!
Nice video sora!!!
Nice work!
This was a very good video br proud of your work I enjoyed it.
Did i like the video? Hell yeah, remembering the dark times of DBL was good lmao
Uh azurlane are mostly free only to buy skin and ring for the waifus
Excellent analysis
yep it was very informative . i liked the video.
Yes this was a good video. Good job 👍🏻
Great video wow!
Broly's Passive Was Only For 2 Times
2 times pre transformation and 2 times post transformation
Yes please do more of these videos🙏
suprised he didnt mention Zenkai gohan
Seems like you also forgot how Blast Armor used to recover 100% of the Vanishing Gauge...
this was cool, I'd watch more
AMAZING VIDEO
The video was really interesting
There’s a lot of wide open examples of this. Some release a festive unit, totally meant for the current holiday...you would think, then you come to find out they dominate PVP? And if you don’t have them, you’re screwed? Even if their overall kit was designed FOR PVE, the unit breaks PVP. Was this fixed? No, because the company just wanted the player base’s money and not care what meta was currently being destroyed. Another example/s are Bleach Brave Souls and Dissidia Final Fantasy. Both are at points where if you haven’t leveled up your units to the highest tier of power, people will leave your lobbies. At what point are we like “if you don’t have level 90 Cloud/ fully maxed out manga Ichigo, leave my damn game”? The average gacha player is so casual. Don’t let your communities just cater to whales, aren’t games suppose to be about fun? Power creep just breeds toxicity and community splits. May be an unpopular opinion, but I believe every unit should be balanced around the same might, but have different visuals etc, so only a personal choice in whatever character you desire, is decided in summoning and NOT because you need said unit to succeed. Every unit should be able to beat everything, not get dated after a few years, after a few months. But this even goes beyond gachas. FPS games and MMOs even.
The best gacha I have ever played in terms of power creep and game balance are Arknights and FGO. Both of these games have units that were in the game day 1 and are still some of the best units in the game.
just got merlin today so im sitting well for two years until tamamo vitch power creeps him lmao
Great job sora,
Damn good vid
I like this set up in the video good points love legends but power creep is real
LF gohaan is powercreeping everything in legends
You forgot the "shaft" element
Thanks