I think one of the things that can keep people away of Gacha games is how they try to keep the players to play daily/as much as possible, with daily/weekly missions and events. If you miss thoses you'll miss some rewards like helpful ressources for your progression, the prenium currency for pulling and even free characters and the feeling of missing something while you could get it can be quite overwhelming for some and just stressful overall (I've been there before, that's why l will not play every single Gacha games that gets released in the market, only thoses that really interest me like Aether Gazer, Wuthering Waves and even Limbus Company).
I'd say if there's a Gacha game where you don't need to spend money then morally that games fine. But if its one in which you need to spend money to actually play it, maybe because the end story stages are impossible for non whales, then it's pretty messed up. Because the second you need to spend money is when the game is forcing you to gamble to play it, and that's when I'd recommend for anyone to spend that money towards a non Gacha game.
It is still an inferior design. Especially in turn based RPGs, you cannot build the teams you like because you need to engage with the gacha to form them., IF you are lucky that is.. Not to mention the grind...................
Punishing Gray Raven is the only game I decided to give a try after two ears on not playing a single game, not on PC and not mobile. Before that I played Arknights but then it could no longer boot on my phone, lmao. In both games I was/am F2P and they are super fun. Now, I mainly play for characters and story. Not a crazy "imma minmax everything and dominate the leaderboard" kinda guy. So both Punishing Gray Raven and Arknights imo are good. (In PGR you need to cope through some goring stages at the beginning but as the budget grew so did the content.)
The only main reason why I’m against gacha games is because it feels like chores, feels like your life depends on the games, the lack of escapism and it’s obviously a dopamine.
Gacha also monopolizes your attention time. And some of them forces you to spend time with it or else you feel FOMO and fall behind infinitely because content is always churning out and locked away after release. This means that if you don't participate every day then you feel like missing out, and it's a horrible feeling, which forces you to do your dailies. This aspect I do not like, and I say that as I play Arknight and Guardian tales. It's exhausting and frankly I don't want to recommend people gacha games, even if it's limbus company, because it's like inviting them into a toxic culture.
I got into Gacha games because I like those kinds of grinds. Gacha games are typically grindy, which isn't for everyone, but for those who like it, then its perfect.
Like others said, if the game is pay to win then fuck that evil shit. Personally I play Arknights (started it since people said it's a nice substitute for Fire Emblem) and the tactical aspect and the correct use of my operators demands so much brain power that instead of pay2win it's learn2win, as shown by numerous creators clearing bonkers stages with lowest rate operators or without bloody healers. Naturally, the rarest operators are much more powerful than the basic ones but you can't just slap them down on a stage and expect them to do everything for you. Timing their abilities and correct positioning are key. Not even Surtr, arguably the most powerful unit in the game, capable of melting down waves of enemies will not win you the stage if you just slap her down with no strategy (her OP dmg comes with a cost of slowly killing herself, after which she will retreat and good luck because for the next 60 seconds she has to regenerate) Such a rare sight for the gacha to actually have engaging and addicting gameplay, on top of good story and great characters. Other than that I am waiting to start Punishing Gray Raven, since I heard it's great for fans of DMC, requires skill and apparently there is going to be a full PC client soon.
The only gacha game I actually had fun playing and never felt like I was getting scammed was Punishing gray raven. Unfortunately, gacha games by nature demand you to play every single day. Eventually it just becomes too much of a chore for me. If I wanted to grind a game I would much rather grind a game I payed for at whatever time I want for however long I want.
Azur Lane, the literal Jesus/Buddha of gacha. I spend ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, yet have enough currency every event to get EVERY FEATURED UNIT. Also helps that they throw at us 7% rates for the SR units, and a fairly decent pity system for the 1.5% UR units when they come around.
This was a good video! If you ask me I think half the time people from outside look at free-to-play games with real money options and immediately think it's p2w, even though majority of the really good ones, like Arknights or Blue Archive, have no form of PVP in anyway. The only thing I can think of is Fire Emblem Heroes but that only has one PVP, game mode and you are not required, or forced in anyway to play that mode, the rest are just against AI's. Ones like Arknights are more appealing to me because they are simple, casual games yet it's fun to play and even requires you to strategize with the characters you have. Not only that but story, characters, world building and art is what I like most about them and you can tell a lot of effort was made to create them.
I’m one of those people who tries to see how far I can get in a Gacha Game without spending a single cent. I literally had to force myself to set aside money for the Limbus Company battle pass because I want to give Project Moon my money.
Welp... There are many AAA non gacha game that are not just expensive... They also isnt finished products and less to no end game contents... And still you need to paid for their 'add-ons' or 'game currency'... Hell i dunno why people spite gacha game while they also playing AAA game that had paid 'loot box' lol
If any of y'all haven't tried Punishing: Gray Raven yet, it's genuinely great, the story is amazing (new chapter that came out on global last month made me cry like goddamn), every new character goes to the base gacha after their patch ends, and the gameplay is pretty fun although it get's quite hard later on, but that's more so a skill issue on my part. The OST is also heavenly, like seriously, LAMIA, Last Resort, Exorcism, Under Dimension, every song in this game is top tier. So if you haven't given it a try yet, I highly recommend so.
I am immune to gambling addiction. Can't gamble away money if you got no money. Another thing that supports Genshin is that all characters are viable. Hell, I still use Noelle, the first freebie character that everyone gets at the start of the game (I started Genshin when it was still 1.3 or something close to that). So far there hasn't been a character that was powercrept into being obsolete, they all kick ass with the right builds and set-ups
I have faith in limbus company. Project moon seems to love the world they've built (rightfully so) and have released a lot of content that doesn't necessarily give them money, like the books, dubbing that short story about how roland and angelica proposed and even hamhampangpang. Apparently they don't get that much money from the establishment and they are always changing it's theme which I assume must cost money too. We don't know rates yet but it doesn't look like it'll be too hard to get the identities you want since when you roll a repeat you get currency that you can exchange for other identities (as opposed of upgrading that identity or some bs that gachas usually pull) and fomo doesn't seem to be a big deal for the moment because the new stuff will be added in the battlepass and every ego that gets added will be available later in the shop so there's not a big penalty for missing out on a season. There's also the energy system that rewards experimentation as you don't spend energy if you fail a level. So far everything that they've shown doesn't look predatory and it looks like they care about their playerbase.
Honestly, mfs will have the audacity to be playing a 60$ game while being forced to play against people with broken weapons they got out of lootboxes but the moment they see players rolling on a free gacha game that they can only use what they rolled against AI, for some reason they get pissy
Its more like evil devs are the problem and not the model itself. It also boils down to what kind of player you are. If you are a gameplay focused player and the game doesnt lock you out on player content its fine. But if your mostly a character collector then games with not much guarantee on the rates will feel EVIL
Welp, about Genshin. I like this game, I like the gameplay and some lore moments in it, You can catch some memes while playing it. But fans of this game us the worst piece of garbage (those fans which you can hear well (Of course from Twitter)), there was a normal players, but if you find it, you can get a golden medal. And some Gacha games has a problem. Where is gameplay? You even doesn't need to play the some games, game play itself. Genshin (which has a lot of side of gameplay, but most of the part is Breath of the Wild) and Arknights (Only Tower Defence, where you can find a Hentay) is a good gacha, because you actually can play them. I bet a dollar Limbus will be a good game at least by gacha standars, because he has a simular gameplay as Library of Ruina.
I'm just here for the Limbic system. My rule is I don't play games that try to get me to play them by means other than an enjoyable experience, so I haven't really played mobile games since the Infinity Blade trilogy. That said I've set aside the amount of money a triple-a game goes for with the intent of spending it on Limbus co. I'll spend it over my time playing the game as I feel is necessary because I want PM to make more games and they've undercharged for the Korean torture device that is Lobotomy Corporation and my LoR playthroughs reaching the double digits. I'm not a gacha player by any means, these games aren't made for me, but I'm hoping this'll be good enough to be fun regardless.
As an adult that doesn't have a high income that needs to pay rent, car insurance health insurance etc i personally avoid gacha, my money is valuable i cant waste it on a freaking waifu casino.
Ya mentioned "KH: UX"/"Unchained Chi", that was my first gacha game (and I have a mild PTSD from it). The other gacha games didn't put me through what KH:UX did.
With how expensive modern day gaming can be with my money being worth 5 times less then usd causing 3A games to like to 200 to sometimes 500 yeah i think its easier for me to play a gacha game tbh.
Hey tsunul, 2 mods you should add to your "gotta play on the channel" list - city of drama mod - city of drama regrer part 2 very good mods with 4 receptions each in the SOTC tier, each with interesring story
Would say path no where one best lesser evil gacha there, S rank units pretty easy to get than others games with in 50 pulls and max 80 if your unlucky. Some lower tier units are also meta was well that much easier to obtain and cost much less rss too. Also have great story line with CN,JP,KR,ENG dub as well. They small company too, its prob relatable to project moon.
Genshin is a good gacha game I agree, but they are also greedy as fuck by having one of the worst pull rates for characters while simultaneously letting u pull weapons with the characters that’s insane
I feel like the whole question of "are gacha games evil" shouldn't really matter. What matters is the fact that they are inherently exploitative, cutthroat and contribute not only to people sustaining real life-altering addictions, but also contribute to helping them get new ones... Are gacha games as bad as the most vehement progressives would say? probably not. Are they still kind of bad? yeah they are definitely still kind of bad.
Genshin is kinda good gacha, with ton of content, even for f2p players. But it's actually just top of the iceberg. More you play, more you understand why. No actual end game content, so called "soft garant", no communication with community and etc. Genshin still evil, just less evil than other ones.
I agree, I made a review stating all those flaws and more. But, I was complementing it in regards to the amount of content you get without having to pay money. Even though it does have flaws like simplistic and easy gameplay.
Yea, I like that about Genshin because it never feels like I’m missing out on the Gacha however, the events now that’s a different story because they locked Albedo’s signature weapon along with other interesting weapons behind events so they are gone for good. Other than that, I know that practically all of the characters will come back at some point plus, the gacha’s banners and pity system is pretty lenient all things considered. As well as since I’m not locked out of world progression by a paywall I’m mot obligated to spend money. Usually I’ll buy Welkan pass and the Battle Pass. That’s like 15-25 bucks depending on if I want the BP player card or not. I don’t really go over that unless I know I’m guaranteed the 5 star then I’ll think but I haven’t felt like doing that in over a year since just playing with Welkan and Battle Pass. @Tsunul and @Tortagor
One of the worst gacha I know is Age of Ishtaria. Trial battles are impossible if you don't have 9star rarity Units (preferable the units that you fight in said Trials), power unbalance af, pity system is basically unreachable as a f2p. Because it's at 25 pulls, but you need 3k for every pull (singles don't count), the best event that gives you the currency is Raid and you pretty much only get half a pull from it (a little bit more from point rewards). Raid event is also not always. Some events barely even give you like 300 for a whole week. Union vs Union events are dominated by whales. One team of Units is close to unbeatable without luck, too. I say, Genshin has a far better chance at pulling characters (even a reachable pity system). Thus far, I got every character I actively wanted as f2p (Including Kazuha C1 and Wanderer C1). But then, I mostly go for the males x3 And while Limbus hates me (Pulled 3 000 Hong Lu in a row and Meursault and Yi Sang dups, too), and don't get me started on pulling no E.G.O. (while all my friends get them left and right), I find the chance to get anything without money far easier than Age of Ishtaria. You also don't need to pull at all, because their bases are pretty strong, too
imo if lproject moon isnt greedy they can create a gacha where even f2p players can get meta gear and beat the game with even low stared gear and still make money on skins and fascinating gears that arent good but unique that people want to roll for to play with.thats what arknights did and they still made a lot of money
There are no good gacha games, all the things you can "do" in Genshin Impact are grind, grind and more grind...... The offline version of a game will ALWAYS be superior because it doesn't have to come up with bs to keep you on the grind or entice you to pay an arm and a leg just to essentially GAMBLE.. They are a trap for little kids who cannot afford full priced games. Nothing more, nothing less...
True. The only good game with gatcha elements I can think of is xenoblade. Doesn't charge you real money for rolls and you have a full normal game to enjoy
One quality that will immediately qualify a game as predatory to me is the existence of PvP. Especially if there's a reward ladder attached to it. You can make the PvE content as F2P friendly as you like, once you have to compete against other players the incentive to whale for meta will inevitably become a factor.
Hi there, gacha player here. No, imo I do not think they are evil. I'm just a simple F2P that loves playin gachas as they are the only things that give me a rush and sense of luck in my life. Although I can't name a gacha that is beginner friendly, I think Gacha world is where you should start first, good story, good characters and it hits you in the feels at the end. Although the whole Gacha series by Lunime has been soiled by stupid children...
Yes. The answer is just straight up yes. Even at its best, it's an incredibly anti-consumer, predatory business model. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the games or that you have to feel guilty feeding into them, but don't be delusional either. We're all feeding and promoting incredibly poor and predatory business practices that are actively leading to the destruction of quality in the games industry when we support gacha (and "live service") games. Doesn't matter which one. Want to be on the better side of things? Go support games with business models like Volzerk. But we all know none of ya'll are about to do that. :D
"Arknights is the best tower defense game" Gemcraft chapters 0-3, Kingdom Rush, Kingdom Rush Frontiers, Infinitode 2, Bloons Tower Defense 5, Bloons Tower Defense 6, Bloons Monkey City, Cursed Treasure 1 and 2, Incursion, and Desktop Tower Defense, Rogue Tower, Bubble Tanks Tower Defense and Mindustry: *ALL CAME OUT OF NOWHETE, LIGHTNING FAST AND THE KICKED ARKNIGHTS AND ITS WEABOO ASS IT WAS THE BLOODIEST BATTLE THE WIRLD EVER SAW WITH HOPELESS GAMERS IN TOTAL AWE*
I think one of the things that can keep people away of Gacha games is how they try to keep the players to play daily/as much as possible, with daily/weekly missions and events. If you miss thoses you'll miss some rewards like helpful ressources for your progression, the prenium currency for pulling and even free characters and the feeling of missing something while you could get it can be quite overwhelming for some and just stressful overall (I've been there before, that's why l will not play every single Gacha games that gets released in the market, only thoses that really interest me like Aether Gazer, Wuthering Waves and even Limbus Company).
I'd say if there's a Gacha game where you don't need to spend money then morally that games fine. But if its one in which you need to spend money to actually play it, maybe because the end story stages are impossible for non whales, then it's pretty messed up. Because the second you need to spend money is when the game is forcing you to gamble to play it, and that's when I'd recommend for anyone to spend that money towards a non Gacha game.
It is still an inferior design. Especially in turn based RPGs, you cannot build the teams you like because you need to engage with the gacha to form them., IF you are lucky that is.. Not to mention the grind...................
I found "Holocure - Save The Fans", "Hero Hours Contract" and "Dungeons And Raids" and "Mana Soul."
Punishing Gray Raven is the only game I decided to give a try after two ears on not playing a single game, not on PC and not mobile.
Before that I played Arknights but then it could no longer boot on my phone, lmao.
In both games I was/am F2P and they are super fun.
Now, I mainly play for characters and story.
Not a crazy "imma minmax everything and dominate the leaderboard" kinda guy.
So both Punishing Gray Raven and Arknights imo are good.
(In PGR you need to cope through some goring stages at the beginning but as the budget grew so did the content.)
The only main reason why I’m against gacha games is because it feels like chores, feels like your life depends on the games, the lack of escapism and it’s obviously a dopamine.
Gacha also monopolizes your attention time. And some of them forces you to spend time with it or else you feel FOMO and fall behind infinitely because content is always churning out and locked away after release.
This means that if you don't participate every day then you feel like missing out, and it's a horrible feeling, which forces you to do your dailies. This aspect I do not like, and I say that as I play Arknight and Guardian tales. It's exhausting and frankly I don't want to recommend people gacha games, even if it's limbus company, because it's like inviting them into a toxic culture.
I got into Gacha games because I like those kinds of grinds. Gacha games are typically grindy, which isn't for everyone, but for those who like it, then its perfect.
The solution is to simply never fall in love with those fictional women
How to not fall for gacha
1. Be Gay
2. There is no number 2
Too late, I am now shilling for Faust
@@lonelynerdmlytoo late, I’m straight and Gregor still got me good
@@tsumikiayato1560 mersault got me act up unwise
i have both fallen in love with fictional women and play gacha yes never spent a cent,must be something else
Like others said, if the game is pay to win then fuck that evil shit. Personally I play Arknights (started it since people said it's a nice substitute for Fire Emblem) and the tactical aspect and the correct use of my operators demands so much brain power that instead of pay2win it's learn2win, as shown by numerous creators clearing bonkers stages with lowest rate operators or without bloody healers. Naturally, the rarest operators are much more powerful than the basic ones but you can't just slap them down on a stage and expect them to do everything for you. Timing their abilities and correct positioning are key.
Not even Surtr, arguably the most powerful unit in the game, capable of melting down waves of enemies will not win you the stage if you just slap her down with no strategy (her OP dmg comes with a cost of slowly killing herself, after which she will retreat and good luck because for the next 60 seconds she has to regenerate)
Such a rare sight for the gacha to actually have engaging and addicting gameplay, on top of good story and great characters.
Other than that I am waiting to start Punishing Gray Raven, since I heard it's great for fans of DMC, requires skill and apparently there is going to be a full PC client soon.
The only gacha game I actually had fun playing and never felt like I was getting scammed was Punishing gray raven.
Unfortunately, gacha games by nature demand you to play every single day. Eventually it just becomes too much of a chore for me. If I wanted to grind a game I would much rather grind a game I payed for at whatever time I want for however long I want.
That thumbnail reminds me of my gambling addiction
Azur Lane, the literal Jesus/Buddha of gacha. I spend ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, yet have enough currency every event to get EVERY FEATURED UNIT. Also helps that they throw at us 7% rates for the SR units, and a fairly decent pity system for the 1.5% UR units when they come around.
This was a good video! If you ask me I think half the time people from outside look at free-to-play games with real money options and immediately think it's p2w, even though majority of the really good ones, like Arknights or Blue Archive, have no form of PVP in anyway. The only thing I can think of is Fire Emblem Heroes but that only has one PVP, game mode and you are not required, or forced in anyway to play that mode, the rest are just against AI's. Ones like Arknights are more appealing to me because they are simple, casual games yet it's fun to play and even requires you to strategize with the characters you have. Not only that but story, characters, world building and art is what I like most about them and you can tell a lot of effort was made to create them.
I’m one of those people who tries to see how far I can get in a Gacha Game without spending a single cent. I literally had to force myself to set aside money for the Limbus Company battle pass because I want to give Project Moon my money.
Welp... There are many AAA non gacha game that are not just expensive... They also isnt finished products and less to no end game contents... And still you need to paid for their 'add-ons' or 'game currency'... Hell i dunno why people spite gacha game while they also playing AAA game that had paid 'loot box' lol
If any of y'all haven't tried Punishing: Gray Raven yet, it's genuinely great, the story is amazing (new chapter that came out on global last month made me cry like goddamn), every new character goes to the base gacha after their patch ends, and the gameplay is pretty fun although it get's quite hard later on, but that's more so a skill issue on my part.
The OST is also heavenly, like seriously, LAMIA, Last Resort, Exorcism, Under Dimension, every song in this game is top tier. So if you haven't given it a try yet, I highly recommend so.
This
Everything about this is correct. I absolutly seccond this
Can attest to this. PGR is a very good.
Narwhal OST recommended by YT is what got me into the game. I also main Rosetta because of this ;D
I am immune to gambling addiction. Can't gamble away money if you got no money.
Another thing that supports Genshin is that all characters are viable. Hell, I still use Noelle, the first freebie character that everyone gets at the start of the game (I started Genshin when it was still 1.3 or something close to that). So far there hasn't been a character that was powercrept into being obsolete, they all kick ass with the right builds and set-ups
I have faith in limbus company.
Project moon seems to love the world they've built (rightfully so) and have released a lot of content that doesn't necessarily give them money, like the books, dubbing that short story about how roland and angelica proposed and even hamhampangpang. Apparently they don't get that much money from the establishment and they are always changing it's theme which I assume must cost money too.
We don't know rates yet but it doesn't look like it'll be too hard to get the identities you want since when you roll a repeat you get currency that you can exchange for other identities (as opposed of upgrading that identity or some bs that gachas usually pull) and fomo doesn't seem to be a big deal for the moment because the new stuff will be added in the battlepass and every ego that gets added will be available later in the shop so there's not a big penalty for missing out on a season.
There's also the energy system that rewards experimentation as you don't spend energy if you fail a level.
So far everything that they've shown doesn't look predatory and it looks like they care about their playerbase.
Honestly, mfs will have the audacity to be playing a 60$ game while being forced to play against people with broken weapons they got out of lootboxes but the moment they see players rolling on a free gacha game that they can only use what they rolled against AI, for some reason they get pissy
Bruh no ways did you just say most 60 dollar games are p2w💀
Its more like evil devs are the problem and not the model itself. It also boils down to what kind of player you are.
If you are a gameplay focused player and the game doesnt lock you out on player content its fine. But if your mostly a character collector then games with not much guarantee on the rates will feel EVIL
If you have the collection/completion itch, gacha games are a bad hobby for you.
Welp, about Genshin. I like this game, I like the gameplay and some lore moments in it, You can catch some memes while playing it. But fans of this game us the worst piece of garbage (those fans which you can hear well (Of course from Twitter)), there was a normal players, but if you find it, you can get a golden medal.
And some Gacha games has a problem. Where is gameplay? You even doesn't need to play the some games, game play itself. Genshin (which has a lot of side of gameplay, but most of the part is Breath of the Wild) and Arknights (Only Tower Defence, where you can find a Hentay) is a good gacha, because you actually can play them. I bet a dollar Limbus will be a good game at least by gacha standars, because he has a simular gameplay as Library of Ruina.
You say genshin is good because it has gameplay but then its the most braindead shit imaginable where all you do is slam your head into 1234EQ
@@Kagineko Welp, It's another story. It has a gameplay, for a gacha with a lot of anime waifu, and gambling sistem it's a win. And that is sad
I'm just here for the Limbic system. My rule is I don't play games that try to get me to play them by means other than an enjoyable experience, so I haven't really played mobile games since the Infinity Blade trilogy. That said I've set aside the amount of money a triple-a game goes for with the intent of spending it on Limbus co. I'll spend it over my time playing the game as I feel is necessary because I want PM to make more games and they've undercharged for the Korean torture device that is Lobotomy Corporation and my LoR playthroughs reaching the double digits. I'm not a gacha player by any means, these games aren't made for me, but I'm hoping this'll be good enough to be fun regardless.
As an adult that doesn't have a high income that needs to pay rent, car insurance health insurance etc i personally avoid gacha, my money is valuable i cant waste it on a freaking waifu casino.
Ya mentioned "KH: UX"/"Unchained Chi", that was my first gacha game (and I have a mild PTSD from it). The other gacha games didn't put me through what KH:UX did.
With how expensive modern day gaming can be with my money being worth 5 times less then usd causing 3A games to like to 200 to sometimes 500 yeah i think its easier for me to play a gacha game tbh.
you see the trick is you can not spend money on a gacha game if you dont have money for it in the first place
I just sit everyday on a tram to and from university and play Genshin for free. Enjoyable, fun and I see my powerfantasies being realised)
RIP king's raid
Hey tsunul, 2 mods you should add to your "gotta play on the channel" list
- city of drama mod
- city of drama regrer part
2 very good mods with 4 receptions each in the SOTC tier, each with interesring story
You can make vid about your thoughts on powercreep in gatcha games.
Would say path no where one best lesser evil gacha there, S rank units pretty easy to get than others games with in 50 pulls and max 80 if your unlucky. Some lower tier units are also meta was well that much easier to obtain and cost much less rss too. Also have great story line with CN,JP,KR,ENG dub as well. They small company too, its prob relatable to project moon.
Genshin is a good gacha game I agree, but they are also greedy as fuck by having one of the worst pull rates for characters while simultaneously letting u pull weapons with the characters that’s insane
I feel like the whole question of "are gacha games evil" shouldn't really matter. What matters is the fact that they are inherently exploitative, cutthroat and contribute not only to people sustaining real life-altering addictions, but also contribute to helping them get new ones... Are gacha games as bad as the most vehement progressives would say? probably not. Are they still kind of bad? yeah they are definitely still kind of bad.
The only morally acceptable gacha is a gacha with no gacha mechanics..
Genshin is kinda good gacha, with ton of content, even for f2p players. But it's actually just top of the iceberg. More you play, more you understand why. No actual end game content, so called "soft garant", no communication with community and etc. Genshin still evil, just less evil than other ones.
I agree, I made a review stating all those flaws and more. But, I was complementing it in regards to the amount of content you get without having to pay money. Even though it does have flaws like simplistic and easy gameplay.
Yea, I like that about Genshin because it never feels like I’m missing out on the Gacha however, the events now that’s a different story because they locked Albedo’s signature weapon along with other interesting weapons behind events so they are gone for good. Other than that, I know that practically all of the characters will come back at some point plus, the gacha’s banners and pity system is pretty lenient all things considered. As well as since I’m not locked out of world progression by a paywall I’m mot obligated to spend money. Usually I’ll buy Welkan pass and the Battle Pass. That’s like 15-25 bucks depending on if I want the BP player card or not. I don’t really go over that unless I know I’m guaranteed the 5 star then I’ll think but I haven’t felt like doing that in over a year since just playing with Welkan and Battle Pass. @Tsunul and @Tortagor
@@Tsunul Is there a video on your thoughts on battle passes in games like Fortnite?
@@gcharles3065 yes, while you paying some money every month Genshin becomes much more comfortable, and it's okay.
@@tortagor agreed
One of the worst gacha I know is Age of Ishtaria. Trial battles are impossible if you don't have 9star rarity Units (preferable the units that you fight in said Trials), power unbalance af, pity system is basically unreachable as a f2p. Because it's at 25 pulls, but you need 3k for every pull (singles don't count), the best event that gives you the currency is Raid and you pretty much only get half a pull from it (a little bit more from point rewards). Raid event is also not always. Some events barely even give you like 300 for a whole week. Union vs Union events are dominated by whales. One team of Units is close to unbeatable without luck, too.
I say, Genshin has a far better chance at pulling characters (even a reachable pity system). Thus far, I got every character I actively wanted as f2p (Including Kazuha C1 and Wanderer C1). But then, I mostly go for the males x3
And while Limbus hates me (Pulled 3 000 Hong Lu in a row and Meursault and Yi Sang dups, too), and don't get me started on pulling no E.G.O. (while all my friends get them left and right), I find the chance to get anything without money far easier than Age of Ishtaria. You also don't need to pull at all, because their bases are pretty strong, too
imo if lproject moon isnt greedy they can create a gacha where even f2p players can get meta gear and beat the game with even low stared gear and still make money on skins and fascinating gears that arent good but unique that people want to roll for to play with.thats what arknights did and they still made a lot of money
Nice thumbnail bro
So other than surtr who are the other two girls on the thumbnail?
Wichita and Zara both from Azur Lane.
8:01 basically NIKKE
There are no good gacha games, all the things you can "do" in Genshin Impact are grind, grind and more grind......
The offline version of a game will ALWAYS be superior because it doesn't have to come up with bs to keep you on the grind or entice you to pay an arm and a leg just to essentially GAMBLE..
They are a trap for little kids who cannot afford full priced games. Nothing more, nothing less...
True.
The only good game with gatcha elements I can think of is xenoblade. Doesn't charge you real money for rolls and you have a full normal game to enjoy
Its in the title "gacha" aka i gacha money
WuWa will sht on genshin that's for dam sure boiii
One quality that will immediately qualify a game as predatory to me is the existence of PvP. Especially if there's a reward ladder attached to it. You can make the PvE content as F2P friendly as you like, once you have to compete against other players the incentive to whale for meta will inevitably become a factor.
Yeah same, once you run out of pve content to do, your only option is to play pvp until more pve content comes out or quit.
Hi there, gacha player here. No, imo I do not think they are evil. I'm just a simple F2P that loves playin gachas as they are the only things that give me a rush and sense of luck in my life. Although I can't name a gacha that is beginner friendly, I think Gacha world is where you should start first, good story, good characters and it hits you in the feels at the end.
Although the whole Gacha series by Lunime has been soiled by stupid children...
6k for a Fucking LoLi 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes. The answer is just straight up yes. Even at its best, it's an incredibly anti-consumer, predatory business model. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the games or that you have to feel guilty feeding into them, but don't be delusional either. We're all feeding and promoting incredibly poor and predatory business practices that are actively leading to the destruction of quality in the games industry when we support gacha (and "live service") games. Doesn't matter which one.
Want to be on the better side of things? Go support games with business models like Volzerk. But we all know none of ya'll are about to do that. :D
Good video
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THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH KINGDOMM HEARTS NAMES SHUT UP
"Arknights is the best tower defense game"
Gemcraft chapters 0-3, Kingdom Rush, Kingdom Rush Frontiers, Infinitode 2, Bloons Tower Defense 5, Bloons Tower Defense 6, Bloons Monkey City, Cursed Treasure 1 and 2, Incursion, and Desktop Tower Defense, Rogue Tower, Bubble Tanks Tower Defense and Mindustry:
*ALL CAME OUT OF NOWHETE, LIGHTNING FAST
AND THE KICKED ARKNIGHTS
AND ITS WEABOO ASS
IT WAS THE BLOODIEST BATTLE THE WIRLD EVER SAW
WITH HOPELESS GAMERS IN TOTAL AWE*