Hi TEOH. I am a 55 year old Canadian. Not very talented as an artist as I never persuaded it but I do like to sketch a little now and then so for this my iPad 5 mini and Apple pencil suffice, not likely I would invest more into this hobby however just wanted to say I do love tech and am fascinated by how far artist tools have come. I enjoy all your reviews and your calm straight forward presentation, I often share your videos.
I actually... indeed *LOVE* that they are adding large tablet sizes... it helps for confident lines from the elbow or shoulder (best way for steady line art), and helps with line accuracy (I have a "big" screen, 24" (compared to a laptop's)). But yep, some people prefer small tablets. For my pro work, big ones (and average-big monitors) have proved to be phenomenal. But they would surely be an issue with a laptop.
Absolutely true! I have been using a Wacom Large and I can't work with small tablets anymore. I'm also on a 27" monitor and with the large, you will not be using your wrist and move your arm for better line quality. I mostly sculpt and love the larger tablets for less pen acceleration. It's good to see more large options these days.
cant you not adjust the sensitivity? i heard ppl saying that large tablets are good only for dual monitor becasue they end up maping only one small area to cover a big screen like for a 27" monitor a small size wacom intuos would be ok? @@ZephrusPrime
@@guilladogui8259 Like I stated before it's about the ability to use you arm to work vs your wrist. Having a larger tablet allows you to get closer to that 1 to 1 ratio. That means if you draw an inch on the tablet it will move an inch on the screen (the way a pen display tablet does). If your referring to using the precision mode ie "sensitivity", it's not practical for me as I need to be all over the screen and not just in one spot. In the end it's up to preference, for me as someone who has worked in the industry for 10 years and is on these almost everyday, I prefer the large and it has improved my work by allowing me to have less wrist and more arm movement.
@@guilladogui8259 About the size advantage, Zephrus has already explained it greatly. What you mention, some people do that, but besides it doesn't help the problem, mapping only one area of the tablet is like throwing money away, as you are using it as a lower resolution tablet (more size and resolution = more control over the lines). I work with dual monitors, some times single, and some times with three. It's never an issue. I always set it to use "full tablet", but with "forced proportions", so that my arm movement responds to the same ratio on screen, proportionally ( I actually have the same accuracy, if not more, using a pen-tablet than a display tablet, after years of training). When having 2 monitors it's ideal to still map it only to one, usually your main monitor (also typically the one with greater color range, uniformity, etc). I dunno other people, but I tend to use a second monitor just for browsing references and using PureRef app for my references. In some rare projects I use a third monitor for extra references or putting some software panels there. But always mapping it to only the main monitor (I use the mouse all the time for many things, so it's not a problem even in certain cases). For display-tablets, like a cintiq, IMO you can go with a 16" (I prefer minimum 22) , but with pen-tablets is particularly important to go around the Wacom's L size at least. I have and use the XL (have the L already for replacement) but is not produced anymore (can find it on Amazon, maybe there are still some selling those yet). I agree with everything Zephrus said, but specially with the "precision mode" not being really practical. Also because forces you to make very slow strokes.
I’ve got a 28 inch screen and have been using an ~11 inch drawing tablet for a while. Thinking of getting this model because of it’s much larger size, hopefully it helps! Edit: Just got mine today! The drawing experience is very very nice, the friction is great and just right in my opinion. The size is definitely something to get used to, but drawing wise it works very well! Still have not finished a full illustration, but for sketches I can say that it works very well and is quite comfortable with a large screen. Much easier for me to make precise strokes when zoomed out. Pressure-wise I am quite light handed, and compared to my iPad with 1st gen apple pen it is definitely less sensitive which is a bit of a shame. I might try using a different pen pressure though.
Apple uses AES tech which is the best for sensitivity but the pen is active so has to be recharged and tends to produce wobbly diagonal lines. These tablets use passive EMR pens they all tend to require a bit of force to trigger
100% agree. I am still using a Intuos XL, and have a (latest) L for replacement, as I can't explain myself how this is lasting since 2009 with so much use...
I just picked this up. Thanks for the review. This is a good price point for an intro into digital drawing on PC and Laptop and it comes with the wheel. I needed BT because my laptop is out of port lol. I just got my CC account for the adobe product line and this is what I will be using this for while learning that. I also have a IPad Pro that I will be working on, but from what I am seeing the IPad Pro still isn't up to full spec as far as able to use all the Creative Cloud programs just yet. So between these two devices I will be learning what my workflow is going to be like.
@@teohontech7141 I got the big one. I have a 24 inch monitor now but I will be getting a 32 4K Inch monitor later this year. Right now I have to go through two sets of tutorials on PS for IPad and PC. Lots to learn.
Thank you very much! Wasn't aware of it. It does seem to be REALLY good. Amazing in line tests. The minimal pressure needed is amazing for shading and digital painting (glazing tehcnique, etc) I personally like a design like this with no crevices neither cracks for the dust to get in.. But I agree that the disc was a great selling point in Deco Pro and Deco 03. I use the disc to change my brush size constantly, so, it's important... Still, if the remote does the same... I love that they added two side buttons (my ctrl + z and alt color pick :) )
Been getting back into pen tablets after using an iPad for the past few years; really crazy how Huion and XPPen have progressed to really nice devices like this while Wacom hasn't updated most of their products in 3-5 years. Also crazy how affordable pen tablets like this are now, even the flagships
i don't get why people want a small pen tablet, i truly don't, already are plenty of those, i have a deco pro and works well 11 inch active area with 24 inch monitor, it works well, but... but !!! once i pluged the pen tablet to an android tab to draw the drawing experience was 100% better, cause the tab was 11 inch too, so i drew 1cm line and in the tab was a 1 cm line too, the drawing experience was so much better, so if i get this tablet i want a monitor the same size to have the same experience which is a lot better, display and tablet should match in size , not bigger not small just same size, im tired to make 1cm line on my tablet and in my screen i have a line of 3cm, also if you have a small pen tablet it's very dificult to make gesture drawings you can only draw with your wrist and it's not that recommendable for good line work,with this one you can make lines with your shoulder too which at least for me is another pluss, sorry for the long text
Irmãozinho você poderia fazer um vídeo exclusivo mostrando todos os passos para a conexão bluetooth dessa mesa. Porque eu comprei uma e até hoje não consegui fazer essa conexão, desde já agradeço a atenção
Hi, Teoh. I've always enjoyed your reviews. They are reasonable, calm, and offer good instruction. I own the original Deco Pro and like it very much. I do enjoy the controls on that tablet and the fact that it requires no charging. Do you think an upgrade would be worthwhile? If the pen performance were improved enough, I would consider it.
Is it possible to map the drawing tablet's area on only a part of the screen so you can get a 1:1 movement between them? I think this would eliminate any issue caused by size differences, but I guess companies want to sell their premium screen tablets...
thanks for the video. i just got an xl version today and this is my first tablet. i'm just curious about one thing. when i'm drawing there are sometimes gaps between lines. when i apply pressure, there is no problem. but when the pen touches the tablet without much pressure, the mouse moves but without making a line. is it just to prevent accidental lines? can anyone tell if it is normal for a graphic tablet to do that?
@@ShotgunSandwichENT i don’t consider it as a problem now. I think it is very good that it is this way. So i dont accidentally draw a line with soft touches, which i accidentally do a lot.
Me too i like more the Deco pro gen 1 deasing but it have to much delay. i dont know how profesional can work with that delay. gen 2 has improved the delay?.
It's interesting 😮😊 I see this model of tablets as more square and I see that it has a shortcut controller and it should be a separate accessory. I have been using a Deco Pro S for two years now but it's the first model with the dial and I got used to that little wheel although I don't use the shortcut buttons much and my hands go to the keyboard 😝🤗 What if I see that these traditional tablets if it were to use a protector??? 😮 My tablet looks scratched but I can still work on it 😅 The good thing that I see will be the precision of the pencil and I see that they returned to the upper eraser button... thanks for the video! 😀👍✨
@@teohontech7141 Thanks a lot for the answer, is there another brand will stylus work? Or do I have to buy it separately for my samsung, for example Lamy?
@@furkancankaya6960 There are many alternatives from other brands that you can use www.parkablogs.com/content/wacom-one-pen-vs-other-emr-pens-artist-review
Got XL version of this and it's amazing, but drivers are weird. Newest driver wouldn't register pen pressure (newest windows 11 with latest updates, RTX 3080 Ti), so I had to install older one.
Compared to Huion pens, this one is better? I have been using a Huion Tablet with a PW500 Pen for years and I want something with a higher quality pen and more stable drivers.
Will this tablet work on a USB cable once the battery dies completely in a few years? Cell phones, for example, do not want to work on the cable when the battery is already completely dead. The same question about this keyboard?
Hi Teoh, thanks for this preview-review. Would you prefer this gen 2 over the 'old' Deco Pro? Is the wireless remote an advantage or a drawback, compared to the fixed one? Thank's!
The original Deco Pro came out in 2019 and drawing performance is pretty good. This gen 2 is slightly better. As for the shortcut remote, I don't really use them because I prefer proper keyboard. So it really comes down to personal preference whether you find it useful/
So happy to see this finally get a review. I have a 24 wide screen monitor so I should get the large model? I know many people use tablets but there's something about using a pen tablet that "feels" better for me, and I can't explain it. The pen feels better, the drawing surface feels better, and looking at the computer monitor while drawing doesn't bother me. I'm not sure why I go against the iPads and Samsung tablets (even though I have a Samsung tablet I purchased specifically for drawing), I keep wanting to come back to a pen display ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also, another question: can you use the tablet while it's charging? I don't remember you mentioning if you could or couldn't.
L size is more suited for 24-inch display. The one advantage pen tablets have against pen displays is you don't have to look down to draw. The tablet can still be used while charging. And when using wired mode, Bluetooth connection is not needed.
@@teohontech7141 Thank you for answering my questions 😁 It's weird, using a pen tablet feels more "natural" to me than drawing on a tablet even with those "paper-like" screen protectors. 🤔 I will consider the large because I like the shortcut button gadget. Again, thanks for reviewing the new offering from XP-Pen 😁
@@ajwalker4416 I am using L (less frequently) and XL (from Wacom) with two monitors, 22" and 24" screens... well configured it works great, I personally would not go lower. Also, absolutely agreeing about the feel with pen-tablets, in every word. But definitely there's a wide variance in types of users. Some people can only paint with pen-displays (paint over screen), or can on any surface, but only feel comfortable with pen-displays. And they do a great job at it, too. For me the pose is much more comfy with pen-tablets, as well. Also, I like to get "high end" color accurate monitors (of high/medium cost), for my illustration work, and pen-tablets give this freedom (pen-displays too, but then am duplicating costs, somehow).
Do we need an app to be able to draw?? or can i just buy this tablet and bluetooth it to my huwawei laptop and then just draw, like does the tablet come with a program for drawing
is the pen the same girth with that of the intuos pro grip pen? been meaning to change tablets now but the wacom pen just feels so good to hold since i have finger digit problems.
The deco pro [gen 2] is indeed better only if you like wireless mode and / or like to bring your tablet everywhere you go. the Intuos pro has a very unreliable Bluetooth connection because it uses the older Bluetooth 4.2. Like my preference, I like to be wireless because I am a messy person. But in performance wise, both aren't really necessary better than the other. It will depend on the artist on how they can utilize those features.
Hello ! Sir ! May I request you to make review on using this same tablet with Inksacpe. Because I am tight with budget to buy expensive software like illustrator and photoshop etc. It will be soo grateful ? Thank you !
Has anyone who's used one of these had issues with the hover? The hover on mine 'jumps' around because it doesn't detect fine movements outside of a certain radius, and it's much worse on the eraser. So I have to basically guess at where I'm going to be erasing. I haven't seen anyone mention this in reviews, making me think no one tested the hover quality even though it needs to be good on a screenless tablet to know where you're going to be making marks.
I have noticed that. The hover is slightly lower than on older xppen tablets, the max is about 1,5cm. I tend to hover at 5mm so it isnt an issue for me but its there
I was looking to get this as a gift for someone close, the website says " Paper like", is the surface "rough", akin to some wacom intuos tablets or smooth? I have had wacoms before with rough surfaces and i could go through 4 nibs a week and the surface was shot in a month, would be great help to me, thanks!
Probably Dial 2 only because the shortcut buttons are on the tablet. But drawing performance for both should be similar. If you ask me the same question next month maybe the answer will be different 😂
@@teohontech7141 thanks for the comment! I ended up going with the Inspiroy L for the new pen tech and softer budget hit. I realized the XLW Deco 2 is probably excessive for my needs at the moment anyhow.
Does it work with MacBook M1 Air on bluetooth? I just purchased this but apparently it's not recognised by Pentab application when connected via bluetooth, however works fine when connected via USB. I have already tried the latest driver and some previous versions as well, but to no avail. Any suggestions?
It should work with Bluetooth. I suspect there is some permissions issues with MacOS. Check their manual for installation guide on what are additional steps required beyond just installing the driver.
@@teohontech7141 I have tried all that but it's still not working via Bluetooth. I have sent a query to Xp Pen support, waiting for their response. Thanks BTW
I am upset. I bought a deco pro gen2 lw and this is really bad choice. Because if you lift up the pen cursor moves forward making vibrate. I have artist 22 2nd gen display screen but I havent any problem like this.
If you guys have the same problem with connecting tablet with a PC, just like me, then you need to buy a 5.0 bluetooth module. My PC has bluetooth 5.0 but the antenna is on the motherboard so signal is too weak to connect tablet and remote control.
@@teohontech7141 If you don't mind, could you please explain what aspects Deco Pro gen2 is better at against Deco LW? E.g. tablet surface texture, pen hold comfort, ergonomic, etc. I'm really torn on which one I should buy and would be grateful for any input Also, for a 14 inch laptop, would you suggest the L or M size from Deco Pro gen2?
@@hia_en You can scroll to the pros and cons lists at the end of my text reviews to compare www.parkablogs.com/content/review-xp-pen-deco-lw-pen-tablet-bluetooth www.parkablogs.com/content/review-xppen-deco-pro-gen-2-pen-tablet For 14-inch, 10 x 6-inch tablet is good.
I bought one in hopes that i can avoid premature aches and pains from drawing. I want better posture because when i use my ipad i literally transform into a shrimp 😂
@@3polygons To me, the L is the standard size for for accurate lineart on desktop. That. XL is taking too much space on the other hand. And I would bet they didn't make as much XL units as the others.
@@eddyalvaross2195 Indeed, "XL" is understood differently (like most sizes, and even whatever feature (report rate (RPS), etc)) depending on the company... Specially considering the extra space besides the drawing active area. My old Wacom intuos Pro 4 XL is a freaking pool table (huge)...But I love it, gives me a lot of accuracy. I guess it's personal to everyone... I tested it against a large Huion pen-tablet (currently collecting tons of dust) and and my very carefully configured Huion Kamvas 22 (a display-tablet! usually recommended for line-art versus pen-tablets!), which, despite not being the Plus model, I recon it *IS* a good display-tablet, but... losing in line control, small/short gestures accuracy, and pressure sensitivity against the old intuos 4 XL and its old Intuos 4 grip pen with only 2k of pressure. Also, I have a big room for work and a large desktop with plenty of space. In another room I work at (very rarely) it makes a lot more sense to use the L, or a smaller one. The Wacom's XL is not produced anymore by Wacom (I guess expensive to produce), but keeps selling like heck on Amazon, ebay and etc as second hand, despite being a 14 year old product. Even while it has a *huge* issue: the cable non detachable, so, if it breaks somehow, game over (mine is pristine, like the tablet's surface, tho). Unlike if you buy a modern Wacom L (detachable). I prefer Wacom's "feel" and control of the pen and tablet response, but.. I know XP and Huion DO improve with each generation, so, I'd be very curious to test this new XP Deco XL. I just don't need it... can't justify it to myself, lol (I just love this kind of tech). 16k of pressure sensitivity makes it specially interesting, although 2k with a wacom XL gives me significantly more subtle control in pressure than a supposed 8k of my Kamvas 22, so (again, brands measure things differently)... you never know. But it is surely a very good improvement. Indeed... just checked. They (XP-Pen) have like 3 sizes for this second edition of the XP-Pen Deco Pro (Deco Pro (Gen 2)). Their smaller size is yet bigger in active area (what really counts or accuracy) than a Wacom Intuos Medium (which is an ok tablet for merely digital painting with not too much line art, or doing such relying a bit on line smoothing by software, which most apps allow by now). The L size' active (drawing) area instead.. is a bit smaller than a current Wacom L's active area. And the full L's physical size of the XP-Pen L model is significantly smaller than a Wacom's L full size. And their XL's active area is quite smaller than my old Wacom XL's (38x22 cm vs 48x30 cm), which is a negative point unless their tech makes it non relevant (I'd need to test it). In the physical size though, the XP is a total winner for ergonomics: mine is 62 x 46 cm full size, while their Deco Pro XLW (btw, I don't really need wireless, and kind of don't trust it for response reasons) is 43 x 31 cm. In my tests at least with the other brand, Huion (with pen tablets and display tablets), same size did not mean same control/accuracy, even while comparing to a much older Wacom. But this is very brand new technology. The X3 chip, the 16k pressure... Could be enough to be on par with Wacom (or who knows if better), this time. I just don't know. Also... a lot of this is only noticed while very realistic digital painting (and _accurate_ , detailed inking/line art, in terms of line accuracy). In many artistic styles it is not that noticeable.
@@3polygons I found that the accuracy is much more related to the initial activation force, if you are light handed and used to wacoms, then huion and older xp-pens (I know the new ones have lower IAF) might be difficult to get used to. I know people that love huion but they all press a little harder than me. Just so you know, the intuos 4 grip pen has 1 gram of IAF, and it's the lowest available, even the new pro pen 2 has more IAF (dont know about the latest one, from the new cintiq pro 27) and this new xp-pen has 2.8 IAF, and the huions I tested have much more than this. I had a intuos 4 xl, was amazing but couldn't fit it well on my desk space. Now I have the intuos 4 L, on a 28 4k monitor, and find it difficult for lineart. Was curious about this new xp pen but I have my reservations about the IAF being a little higher than my grip pen. I returned many huions and xp-pens because of that ahah! Stil gonna rock the old intuos 4!
@@tapegasi Yes! That very much could be it...! I didn't know even about the existence of that value (IAF, but yep about the difference in initial force needed). But it matches everything... I was aware that most (specially from the comic world) inkers and pencillers did love the XP's and Huion tablets, as, besides price, "you need to press harder", which felt more like in traditional drawing to them, this got even famous with the very well received XP-Pen Deco 03, putting more pressure on the "brush" like in real life traditional dry media (pencils, pastels, pens). I am an oil painter in essence (although my main first stages were pencils only, as a kid and teenager), so, that's mostly brushes, and one does not put pressure with those. But more importantly... I have developed this special care with the tablets' surface, so it became a habit to not wreck it. As after the Intuos 3 (it was kind of a gorilla glass (ish), sturdy as heck, but no paper-like feel), it was well known that the surface became way too brittle (not sure if it was in intuos 4 or 5 that it became _particularly_ brittle), and a wave of complaints infested internet, Wacom and art forums, people shouting in immense anger (I did believe them, every one of them) about their tablet getting deep scratches in the first hours. I had not learned yet how on internet, a minority can look like a majority, and also, how a bunch of people are careless (and some a bit dense), and how different is the pen grip among artists (this is no one's fault), even more, how differently people treat their devices. Mine has not got a single scratch since 2009 (and the attached cable is still without even a trace of degradation/problem). My take is that premium models are made (not always) to last, compared to the SKUs thought as "fast food" that the vendor wants you to replace every 3 to 5 years (I think I saved quite some money, in the end...). It makes sense. As indeed... I noticed I had to change my grip drastically with the Huion Display tablet (Kamvas 22)... Hmmm...but... It is also in the small details, when I have to do small (inking, line-art in general) features at certain speed..as if.. it were slower response, slightly more lagged. The old XL seems a lot better in that. Or at least, in my tests. Dunno if that could really only be due to the lighter initial force needed on the Wacom... I don't know (I think there are more factors...But it is only my impression, using both. Again, this was not XP, but Huion). The cheap Huion large pen-tablet was the worse thing I've had since my Kurta 1 or The Summagraphics (CAD tablet), and then they had the excuse of the tech being yet prehistoric... (what a revolution was Intuos 1 A4... I still keep it). Maybe the x3 chip and specially the 16k levels of pressure do allow to set things up in a way that make it be on par with current wacoms, I don't know. Of course, not if there's a hard low limit in regards to initial pressure. Again, can only imagine, until I manage to grab one of these new XP-Pen XL tablets. The irony is that when drawing with traditional pencils, with which I learn all the anatomy drawing and everything... I have a too strong grip, which is bad in professional pencil drawing (when you are using pencils as a final art, it won't matter much if just sketching), as you should not get darker tones by pressing more, but using other pencil... A "softer" one (ie, 2B instead of HB, as a greater content of graphite in the clay/graphite mix makes a much more intense dark shade, without more pressure). So, if anything, I had a habit of putting too much pressure (which was bad) instead of using the right pencil in final stages (but I really disliked how "dirty" a drawing with a 6B could get :D ). The range is very important, as it is the initial force. I guess that if you get used to that initial force, but yet have a long range (from there) of pressure for different shading intensities, you are still fine with the other tablet brands that behave so. This is incredibly important for realistic digital painting, in my opinion.
Hi TEOH. I am a 55 year old Canadian. Not very talented as an artist as I never persuaded it but I do like to sketch a little now and then so for this my iPad 5 mini and Apple pencil suffice, not likely I would invest more into this hobby however just wanted to say I do love tech and am fascinated by how far artist tools have come. I enjoy all your reviews and your calm straight forward presentation, I often share your videos.
Thanks for your support :-)
spectacular review. I'm looking to buy this as my first drawing tablet, and I learned so much from your video. Thanks!
I actually... indeed *LOVE* that they are adding large tablet sizes... it helps for confident lines from the elbow or shoulder (best way for steady line art), and helps with line accuracy (I have a "big" screen, 24" (compared to a laptop's)). But yep, some people prefer small tablets. For my pro work, big ones (and average-big monitors) have proved to be phenomenal. But they would surely be an issue with a laptop.
Absolutely true! I have been using a Wacom Large and I can't work with small tablets anymore. I'm also on a 27" monitor and with the large, you will not be using your wrist and move your arm for better line quality. I mostly sculpt and love the larger tablets for less pen acceleration. It's good to see more large options these days.
cant you not adjust the sensitivity? i heard ppl saying that large tablets are good only for dual monitor becasue they end up maping only one small area to cover a big screen like for a 27" monitor a small size wacom intuos would be ok? @@ZephrusPrime
@@guilladogui8259 Like I stated before it's about the ability to use you arm to work vs your wrist. Having a larger tablet allows you to get closer to that 1 to 1 ratio. That means if you draw an inch on the tablet it will move an inch on the screen (the way a pen display tablet does). If your referring to using the precision mode ie "sensitivity", it's not practical for me as I need to be all over the screen and not just in one spot. In the end it's up to preference, for me as someone who has worked in the industry for 10 years and is on these almost everyday, I prefer the large and it has improved my work by allowing me to have less wrist and more arm movement.
@@guilladogui8259 About the size advantage, Zephrus has already explained it greatly. What you mention, some people do that, but besides it doesn't help the problem, mapping only one area of the tablet is like throwing money away, as you are using it as a lower resolution tablet (more size and resolution = more control over the lines). I work with dual monitors, some times single, and some times with three. It's never an issue. I always set it to use "full tablet", but with "forced proportions", so that my arm movement responds to the same ratio on screen, proportionally ( I actually have the same accuracy, if not more, using a pen-tablet than a display tablet, after years of training). When having 2 monitors it's ideal to still map it only to one, usually your main monitor (also typically the one with greater color range, uniformity, etc). I dunno other people, but I tend to use a second monitor just for browsing references and using PureRef app for my references. In some rare projects I use a third monitor for extra references or putting some software panels there. But always mapping it to only the main monitor (I use the mouse all the time for many things, so it's not a problem even in certain cases). For display-tablets, like a cintiq, IMO you can go with a 16" (I prefer minimum 22) , but with pen-tablets is particularly important to go around the Wacom's L size at least. I have and use the XL (have the L already for replacement) but is not produced anymore (can find it on Amazon, maybe there are still some selling those yet). I agree with everything Zephrus said, but specially with the "precision mode" not being really practical. Also because forces you to make very slow strokes.
Makes sense. Kinda wish I'd have read this comment earlier...
I just got my XLW gen 2 in today and when you said this graphics tablet was a behemoth you were not kidding. Makes my 12.9 IPad Pro look tiny !!!
I’ve got a 28 inch screen and have been using an ~11 inch drawing tablet for a while. Thinking of getting this model because of it’s much larger size, hopefully it helps!
Edit: Just got mine today! The drawing experience is very very nice, the friction is great and just right in my opinion. The size is definitely something to get used to, but drawing wise it works very well! Still have not finished a full illustration, but for sketches I can say that it works very well and is quite comfortable with a large screen. Much easier for me to make precise strokes when zoomed out.
Pressure-wise I am quite light handed, and compared to my iPad with 1st gen apple pen it is definitely less sensitive which is a bit of a shame. I might try using a different pen pressure though.
How is it holding up? Ever find a good pressure setting?
Apple uses AES tech which is the best for sensitivity but the pen is active so has to be recharged and tends to produce wobbly diagonal lines. These tablets use passive EMR pens they all tend to require a bit of force to trigger
Finally companies are making large tablets, I've been waiting for years to replace my intuos 4 Large
100% agree. I am still using a Intuos XL, and have a (latest) L for replacement, as I can't explain myself how this is lasting since 2009 with so much use...
I just picked this up. Thanks for the review. This is a good price point for an intro into digital drawing on PC and Laptop and it comes with the wheel. I needed BT because my laptop is out of port lol. I just got my CC account for the adobe product line and this is what I will be using this for while learning that. I also have a IPad Pro that I will be working on, but from what I am seeing the IPad Pro still isn't up to full spec as far as able to use all the Creative Cloud programs just yet. So between these two devices I will be learning what my workflow is going to be like.
Which size did you get?
@@teohontech7141 I got the big one. I have a 24 inch monitor now but I will be getting a 32 4K Inch monitor later this year. Right now I have to go through two sets of tutorials on PS for IPad and PC. Lots to learn.
Thank you very much! Wasn't aware of it. It does seem to be REALLY good. Amazing in line tests.
The minimal pressure needed is amazing for shading and digital painting (glazing tehcnique, etc)
I personally like a design like this with no crevices neither cracks for the dust to get in.. But I agree that the disc was a great selling point in Deco Pro and Deco 03. I use the disc to change my brush size constantly, so, it's important... Still, if the remote does the same... I love that they added two side buttons (my ctrl + z and alt color pick :) )
Been getting back into pen tablets after using an iPad for the past few years; really crazy how Huion and XPPen have progressed to really nice devices like this while Wacom hasn't updated most of their products in 3-5 years. Also crazy how affordable pen tablets like this are now, even the flagships
It keeps getting better. These companies are now moving to sell portable battery powered drawing tablets.
Ya know, this thing would be a teacher's and a notetaker's heaven.
Thx for the review. I just ordered the 11x7 inch size.
i don't get why people want a small pen tablet, i truly don't, already are plenty of those, i have a deco pro and works well 11 inch active area with 24 inch monitor, it works well, but... but !!! once i pluged the pen tablet to an android tab to draw the drawing experience was 100% better, cause the tab was 11 inch too, so i drew 1cm line and in the tab was a 1 cm line too, the drawing experience was so much better, so if i get this tablet i want a monitor the same size to have the same experience which is a lot better, display and tablet should match in size , not bigger not small just same size, im tired to make 1cm line on my tablet and in my screen i have a line of 3cm, also if you have a small pen tablet it's very dificult to make gesture drawings you can only draw with your wrist and it's not that recommendable for good line work,with this one you can make lines with your shoulder too which at least for me is another pluss, sorry for the long text
Thanks for your review!
Irmãozinho você poderia fazer um vídeo exclusivo mostrando todos os passos para a conexão bluetooth dessa mesa. Porque eu comprei uma e até hoje não consegui fazer essa conexão, desde já agradeço a atenção
Hi, Teoh. I've always enjoyed your reviews. They are reasonable, calm, and offer good instruction.
I own the original Deco Pro and like it very much. I do enjoy the controls on that tablet and the fact that it requires no charging.
Do you think an upgrade would be worthwhile? If the pen performance were improved enough, I would consider it.
If your current tablet is working, I don’t see much reason to upgrade
@@teohontech7141 Thank you.
Present, thinking about replacing my intous pro medium with this
Is it possible to map the drawing tablet's area on only a part of the screen so you can get a 1:1 movement between them? I think this would eliminate any issue caused by size differences, but I guess companies want to sell their premium screen tablets...
thanks for the video. i just got an xl version today and this is my first tablet. i'm just curious about one thing. when i'm drawing there are sometimes gaps between lines. when i apply pressure, there is no problem. but when the pen touches the tablet without much pressure, the mouse moves but without making a line. is it just to prevent accidental lines? can anyone tell if it is normal for a graphic tablet to do that?
Could be a pen problem. Maybe take the nib out and put it back in, or change the nib and test again
Ever get it figured out?
@@ShotgunSandwichENT i don’t consider it as a problem now. I think it is very good that it is this way. So i dont accidentally draw a line with soft touches, which i accidentally do a lot.
Me too i like more the Deco pro gen 1 deasing but it have to much delay. i dont know how profesional can work with that delay. gen 2 has improved the delay?.
It's interesting 😮😊
I see this model of tablets as more square and I see that it has a shortcut controller and it should be a separate accessory.
I have been using a Deco Pro S for two years now but it's the first model with the dial and I got used to that little wheel although I don't use the shortcut buttons much and my hands go to the keyboard 😝🤗
What if I see that these traditional tablets if it were to use a protector??? 😮
My tablet looks scratched but I can still work on it 😅 The good thing that I see will be the precision of the pencil and I see that they returned to the upper eraser button... thanks for the video! 😀👍✨
What actually are felt nibs and how it differs from plastic nibs?
There’s slightly more texture, and less of the plasticky feel when drawinf
thank you
Hey I wonder if this pen x3 pro, will work on my Samsung Tab S7 as a stylus, can you try it?
Will not work
@@teohontech7141 Thanks a lot for the answer, is there another brand will stylus work? Or do I have to buy it separately for my samsung, for example Lamy?
@@furkancankaya6960 There are many alternatives from other brands that you can use www.parkablogs.com/content/wacom-one-pen-vs-other-emr-pens-artist-review
Do you have any information on why Wacom works but Xppen's does not, thank you.@@teohontech7141
Got XL version of this and it's amazing, but drivers are weird. Newest driver wouldn't register pen pressure (newest windows 11 with latest updates, RTX 3080 Ti), so I had to install older one.
Compared to Huion pens, this one is better? I have been using a Huion Tablet with a PW500 Pen for years and I want something with a higher quality pen and more stable drivers.
Will this tablet work on a USB cable once the battery dies completely in a few years? Cell phones, for example, do not want to work on the cable when the battery is already completely dead.
The same question about this keyboard?
Hi Teoh, thanks for this preview-review. Would you prefer this gen 2 over the 'old' Deco Pro? Is the wireless remote an advantage or a drawback, compared to the fixed one? Thank's!
The original Deco Pro came out in 2019 and drawing performance is pretty good. This gen 2 is slightly better. As for the shortcut remote, I don't really use them because I prefer proper keyboard. So it really comes down to personal preference whether you find it useful/
Is XL good enough for a 27" monitor? I plan on getting a new gaming desktop soon and I need 4K and 160hz.
Any pen tablet larger than 10x6 inches is a bonus
@@teohontech7141Okay then, I guess I'll hold onto my Deco Pro MW. Thanks!
How woud you recomend this when compared to the non-pro wacom intuos m
I also wanna know this
So happy to see this finally get a review. I have a 24 wide screen monitor so I should get the large model?
I know many people use tablets but there's something about using a pen tablet that "feels" better for me, and I can't explain it. The pen feels better, the drawing surface feels better, and looking at the computer monitor while drawing doesn't bother me. I'm not sure why I go against the iPads and Samsung tablets (even though I have a Samsung tablet I purchased specifically for drawing), I keep wanting to come back to a pen display ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, another question: can you use the tablet while it's charging? I don't remember you mentioning if you could or couldn't.
L size is more suited for 24-inch display. The one advantage pen tablets have against pen displays is you don't have to look down to draw.
The tablet can still be used while charging.
And when using wired mode, Bluetooth connection is not needed.
@@teohontech7141 Thank you for answering my questions 😁 It's weird, using a pen tablet feels more "natural" to me than drawing on a tablet even with those "paper-like" screen protectors. 🤔
I will consider the large because I like the shortcut button gadget. Again, thanks for reviewing the new offering from XP-Pen 😁
@@ajwalker4416 I am using L (less frequently) and XL (from Wacom) with two monitors, 22" and 24" screens... well configured it works great, I personally would not go lower.
Also, absolutely agreeing about the feel with pen-tablets, in every word. But definitely there's a wide variance in types of users. Some people can only paint with pen-displays (paint over screen), or can on any surface, but only feel comfortable with pen-displays. And they do a great job at it, too.
For me the pose is much more comfy with pen-tablets, as well.
Also, I like to get "high end" color accurate monitors (of high/medium cost), for my illustration work, and pen-tablets give this freedom (pen-displays too, but then am duplicating costs, somehow).
Do we need an app to be able to draw?? or can i just buy this tablet and bluetooth it to my huwawei laptop and then just draw, like does the tablet come with a program for drawing
You need a drawing app. You can use Krita, Medibang Paint.
is the pen the same girth with that of the intuos pro grip pen? been meaning to change tablets now but the wacom pen just feels so good to hold since i have finger digit problems.
Not sure as I've not used Wacom pens for a very long time. This pen does seem quite thick though, comfortable grip in my opinion.
I have a old Intuos Pro Medium. Is this better?
Drawing performance should be on par. If your Wacom is still working, you should still use it. No point upgrading.
The deco pro [gen 2] is indeed better only if you like wireless mode and / or like to bring your tablet everywhere you go. the Intuos pro has a very unreliable Bluetooth connection because it uses the older Bluetooth 4.2. Like my preference, I like to be wireless because I am a messy person. But in performance wise, both aren't really necessary better than the other. It will depend on the artist on how they can utilize those features.
Hello ! Sir ! May I request you to make review on using this same tablet with Inksacpe. Because I am tight with budget to buy expensive software like illustrator and photoshop etc. It will be soo grateful ? Thank you !
There shouldn't be any issues with Inkscape
Has anyone who's used one of these had issues with the hover? The hover on mine 'jumps' around because it doesn't detect fine movements outside of a certain radius, and it's much worse on the eraser. So I have to basically guess at where I'm going to be erasing. I haven't seen anyone mention this in reviews, making me think no one tested the hover quality even though it needs to be good on a screenless tablet to know where you're going to be making marks.
I have noticed that. The hover is slightly lower than on older xppen tablets, the max is about 1,5cm. I tend to hover at 5mm so it isnt an issue for me but its there
Update, never got used to it and the shortcut remote started failing, returned the damm thing
I was looking to get this as a gift for someone close, the website says " Paper like", is the surface "rough", akin to some wacom intuos tablets or smooth? I have had wacoms before with rough surfaces and i could go through 4 nibs a week and the surface was shot in a month, would be great help to me, thanks!
Is Wacom really that rough? This is smoother.
@@teohontech7141 Some newer intuos tablets ship with a "rough" texture that says it simulates paper though it eats nibs very quickly i find,
Hi Sir. Can I make zoom in out by touch screen like Wacom pro tablet? Is it a touch tablet ?
It does not support finger gestures, no touch.
Hey Teoh! If you had to choose between this tablet or the Inspiroy Dial 2 which would you go for?
Probably Dial 2 only because the shortcut buttons are on the tablet. But drawing performance for both should be similar. If you ask me the same question next month maybe the answer will be different 😂
@@teohontech7141 thanks for the comment! I ended up going with the Inspiroy L for the new pen tech and softer budget hit. I realized the XLW Deco 2 is probably excessive for my needs at the moment anyhow.
Does it work with MacBook M1 Air on bluetooth?
I just purchased this but apparently it's not recognised by Pentab application when connected via bluetooth, however works fine when connected via USB. I have already tried the latest driver and some previous versions as well, but to no avail. Any suggestions?
It should work with Bluetooth. I suspect there is some permissions issues with MacOS. Check their manual for installation guide on what are additional steps required beyond just installing the driver.
@@teohontech7141 I have tried all that but it's still not working via Bluetooth. I have sent a query to Xp Pen support, waiting for their response. Thanks BTW
@@karantrehan7710any follow up?
i note Huion has discontinued GIANO.
I don't think its related to this but this is now the largest pen tablet in the market, I think.
They just released the new Giano in 2022. It would be strange to discontinue it so fast
@@teohontech7141 Huion has removed it from their webpage
I am upset. I bought a deco pro gen2 lw and this is really bad choice. Because if you lift up the pen cursor moves forward making vibrate. I have artist 22 2nd gen display screen but I havent any problem like this.
Could be hardware problem? Contact XPpen and see what they say
If you guys have the same problem with connecting tablet with a PC, just like me, then you need to buy a 5.0 bluetooth module. My PC has bluetooth 5.0 but the antenna is on the motherboard so signal is too weak to connect tablet and remote control.
How you enable that black pointer on your screen?
You mean cursor? Sometimes you can change it with the Caps Lock key, depending on app you use.
Should I buy L or M for 24' screen? Can't decide.
10 x 6 inches is okay
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Hi teoh, I have 15" laptop monitor which size should I go? Is 11x7 alright? Thanks 🙏
That's a good size. Not too big or small
I use GIMP a lot. Does it work with GIMP?
Yes
Can I use this with Ubuntu without any major issues?
I did not test this with Ubuntu or Linux so I can't anything
that XL size is what boro want all this time, he probably already bought these tablet 😅
I’m between this and the Intuos pro large. Which would you recommend? I’m having a hard time finding a vs. review on these two specifically.
Drawing tech for such products have matured years ago. You can get anything. Based on features, price, looks
Do you recommend this or deco lw?
Deco Pro is the better one but drawing performance will be similar. So ultimately it will come down to how much you want to spend
@@teohontech7141 If you don't mind, could you please explain what aspects Deco Pro gen2 is better at against Deco LW?
E.g. tablet surface texture, pen hold comfort, ergonomic, etc.
I'm really torn on which one I should buy and would be grateful for any input
Also, for a 14 inch laptop, would you suggest the L or M size from Deco Pro gen2?
@@hia_en You can scroll to the pros and cons lists at the end of my text reviews to compare
www.parkablogs.com/content/review-xp-pen-deco-lw-pen-tablet-bluetooth
www.parkablogs.com/content/review-xppen-deco-pro-gen-2-pen-tablet
For 14-inch, 10 x 6-inch tablet is good.
still have 200RPS. that to much delay. i want 260RPS from deco 3 and the style of deco pro. that will be perfect.
I bought one in hopes that i can avoid premature aches and pains from drawing. I want better posture because when i use my ipad i literally transform into a shrimp 😂
Bluetooth connection problems
Big
Dude, your video has a annoying beep sound in it, probably from a Fan in your Laptop!
Huion has better tapper quality.
XL is too big.
Not for me! It's great for accurate line art (with a desktop monitor).
@@3polygons To me, the L is the standard size for for accurate lineart on desktop. That. XL is taking too much space on the other hand. And I would bet they didn't make as much XL units as the others.
@@eddyalvaross2195 Indeed, "XL" is understood differently (like most sizes, and even whatever feature (report rate (RPS), etc)) depending on the company... Specially considering the extra space besides the drawing active area. My old Wacom intuos Pro 4 XL is a freaking pool table (huge)...But I love it, gives me a lot of accuracy. I guess it's personal to everyone... I tested it against a large Huion pen-tablet (currently collecting tons of dust) and and my very carefully configured Huion Kamvas 22 (a display-tablet! usually recommended for line-art versus pen-tablets!), which, despite not being the Plus model, I recon it *IS* a good display-tablet, but... losing in line control, small/short gestures accuracy, and pressure sensitivity against the old intuos 4 XL and its old Intuos 4 grip pen with only 2k of pressure. Also, I have a big room for work and a large desktop with plenty of space. In another room I work at (very rarely) it makes a lot more sense to use the L, or a smaller one.
The Wacom's XL is not produced anymore by Wacom (I guess expensive to produce), but keeps selling like heck on Amazon, ebay and etc as second hand, despite being a 14 year old product. Even while it has a *huge* issue: the cable non detachable, so, if it breaks somehow, game over (mine is pristine, like the tablet's surface, tho). Unlike if you buy a modern Wacom L (detachable).
I prefer Wacom's "feel" and control of the pen and tablet response, but.. I know XP and Huion DO improve with each generation, so, I'd be very curious to test this new XP Deco XL. I just don't need it... can't justify it to myself, lol (I just love this kind of tech). 16k of pressure sensitivity makes it specially interesting, although 2k with a wacom XL gives me significantly more subtle control in pressure than a supposed 8k of my Kamvas 22, so (again, brands measure things differently)... you never know. But it is surely a very good improvement.
Indeed... just checked. They (XP-Pen) have like 3 sizes for this second edition of the XP-Pen Deco Pro (Deco Pro (Gen 2)). Their smaller size is yet bigger in active area (what really counts or accuracy) than a Wacom Intuos Medium (which is an ok tablet for merely digital painting with not too much line art, or doing such relying a bit on line smoothing by software, which most apps allow by now). The L size' active (drawing) area instead.. is a bit smaller than a current Wacom L's active area. And the full L's physical size of the XP-Pen L model is significantly smaller than a Wacom's L full size. And their XL's active area is quite smaller than my old Wacom XL's (38x22 cm vs 48x30 cm), which is a negative point unless their tech makes it non relevant (I'd need to test it). In the physical size though, the XP is a total winner for ergonomics: mine is 62 x 46 cm full size, while their Deco Pro XLW (btw, I don't really need wireless, and kind of don't trust it for response reasons) is 43 x 31 cm.
In my tests at least with the other brand, Huion (with pen tablets and display tablets), same size did not mean same control/accuracy, even while comparing to a much older Wacom. But this is very brand new technology. The X3 chip, the 16k pressure... Could be enough to be on par with Wacom (or who knows if better), this time. I just don't know. Also... a lot of this is only noticed while very realistic digital painting (and _accurate_ , detailed inking/line art, in terms of line accuracy). In many artistic styles it is not that noticeable.
@@3polygons I found that the accuracy is much more related to the initial activation force, if you are light handed and used to wacoms, then huion and older xp-pens (I know the new ones have lower IAF) might be difficult to get used to. I know people that love huion but they all press a little harder than me. Just so you know, the intuos 4 grip pen has 1 gram of IAF, and it's the lowest available, even the new pro pen 2 has more IAF (dont know about the latest one, from the new cintiq pro 27) and this new xp-pen has 2.8 IAF, and the huions I tested have much more than this.
I had a intuos 4 xl, was amazing but couldn't fit it well on my desk space. Now I have the intuos 4 L, on a 28 4k monitor, and find it difficult for lineart. Was curious about this new xp pen but I have my reservations about the IAF being a little higher than my grip pen. I returned many huions and xp-pens because of that ahah! Stil gonna rock the old intuos 4!
@@tapegasi Yes! That very much could be it...! I didn't know even about the existence of that value (IAF, but yep about the difference in initial force needed). But it matches everything... I was aware that most (specially from the comic world) inkers and pencillers did love the XP's and Huion tablets, as, besides price, "you need to press harder", which felt more like in traditional drawing to them, this got even famous with the very well received XP-Pen Deco 03, putting more pressure on the "brush" like in real life traditional dry media (pencils, pastels, pens). I am an oil painter in essence (although my main first stages were pencils only, as a kid and teenager), so, that's mostly brushes, and one does not put pressure with those. But more importantly... I have developed this special care with the tablets' surface, so it became a habit to not wreck it. As after the Intuos 3 (it was kind of a gorilla glass (ish), sturdy as heck, but no paper-like feel), it was well known that the surface became way too brittle (not sure if it was in intuos 4 or 5 that it became _particularly_ brittle), and a wave of complaints infested internet, Wacom and art forums, people shouting in immense anger (I did believe them, every one of them) about their tablet getting deep scratches in the first hours. I had not learned yet how on internet, a minority can look like a majority, and also, how a bunch of people are careless (and some a bit dense), and how different is the pen grip among artists (this is no one's fault), even more, how differently people treat their devices. Mine has not got a single scratch since 2009 (and the attached cable is still without even a trace of degradation/problem). My take is that premium models are made (not always) to last, compared to the SKUs thought as "fast food" that the vendor wants you to replace every 3 to 5 years (I think I saved quite some money, in the end...).
It makes sense. As indeed... I noticed I had to change my grip drastically with the Huion Display tablet (Kamvas 22)... Hmmm...but... It is also in the small details, when I have to do small (inking, line-art in general) features at certain speed..as if.. it were slower response, slightly more lagged. The old XL seems a lot better in that. Or at least, in my tests. Dunno if that could really only be due to the lighter initial force needed on the Wacom... I don't know (I think there are more factors...But it is only my impression, using both. Again, this was not XP, but Huion). The cheap Huion large pen-tablet was the worse thing I've had since my Kurta 1 or The Summagraphics (CAD tablet), and then they had the excuse of the tech being yet prehistoric... (what a revolution was Intuos 1 A4... I still keep it).
Maybe the x3 chip and specially the 16k levels of pressure do allow to set things up in a way that make it be on par with current wacoms, I don't know. Of course, not if there's a hard low limit in regards to initial pressure. Again, can only imagine, until I manage to grab one of these new XP-Pen XL tablets.
The irony is that when drawing with traditional pencils, with which I learn all the anatomy drawing and everything... I have a too strong grip, which is bad in professional pencil drawing (when you are using pencils as a final art, it won't matter much if just sketching), as you should not get darker tones by pressing more, but using other pencil... A "softer" one (ie, 2B instead of HB, as a greater content of graphite in the clay/graphite mix makes a much more intense dark shade, without more pressure). So, if anything, I had a habit of putting too much pressure (which was bad) instead of using the right pencil in final stages (but I really disliked how "dirty" a drawing with a 6B could get :D ). The range is very important, as it is the initial force. I guess that if you get used to that initial force, but yet have a long range (from there) of pressure for different shading intensities, you are still fine with the other tablet brands that behave so. This is incredibly important for realistic digital painting, in my opinion.
thank you