G12T-75 vs Greenback / Celestion Shootout
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2021
- Celestion G12t-75 Vs greenback is not a well known mix, but still a great combination.
The Celestion G12t-75 (T75) is more commonly known as the stock Marshall 4x12 speaker since the mid 80s. It can get a bad wrap, but we don't think it deserves that. The Celestion Greenback is known by nearly all guitar players, it was one of the most popular speakers from the 60s through to the late 70s and even today remains a solid choice for a lot of guitar players
To do this we recorded both speakers in an identical 1x12 setup, same mics, mic placements, amps and settings by re-amping the same scenario through several different styles.
We love to hear your thoughts on anything speaker related, if you've used this pair before or the individual speakers, or if you have any suggestions please get in touch.
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Gear used:
Zilla Fatbaby 1x12 cab
Marshall JMP 100W
Laney VC15
Deisel Schmidt
Peavey 5150
Marshall silver jubilee
PRS CU22
Fender EJ Strat
Ibanez Artist 
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Well right off the bat I like the way you play a quick clip of one speaker then the other. All too often these comparison vids have clips that are way too long. By the time you get to the next example you can't remember what the first sounded like. Well done.
Thanks I'm glad you like it.... to be honest there is some merit in having longer clips, sometimes the timing of cuts has to be in certain places to sound right but I think there is merit in both.... that said I like 2 or 4 bars, and then maybe some longer sections later on. Thanks again for watching.
Perfect comparison, great video as always!
Thanks mate, that is very kind of you.
Excellent comparison, these videos are invaluable. Thank you for your efforts!
Thank you very much!
Thanks for the useful videos. Took the plunge & mixed these two. The Greenback will take a while to break in, but it's already filling in a sonic space in the way I had hoped. Cheers Zilla! 👍
Thank you for making this video! I can't stop watching this everyday because I'm so excited to get a pair of greenbacks to mix with the g12t-75's in my 1960A 4x12 after watching this again and again! 😆
Excellent, it's our pleasure. Let us know how you get on with mixing the speakers.
@@ZillaCabs I have that mixture in my 1960a cab, greenbacks on top, G12T-75s at the bottom. Sounds great.
How's it sound?
Comparisons with G12T-75 are nice, keep it up !
Thanks for that, Im glad you like it.
Choise comparison dude keep em comin, I just threw a G12t 75 in my laney vc30 and digging it far better than the HH invader stock speaker love your vids
Muy buena comparación amigo ! Mezclar los 2 parlantes es algo buenísimo ! Saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina
That low tuned combination of the two was so sick. Thick and sharp.
Thanks, glad you like it.
I like them both, they compliment each other very well.
I lean towards the greenback but I still really like the T75, and yeah I think theymix great. I think the T75 is a really useful speaker for mixing. Thanks for watching.
That was the ultra secret sauce we had in the mid-late 80's.... Marshall 4x12 with two greenbacks and two GT-75's.... Still have a bottom cab configured that way😈
love it, its a great mix.
I like your videos. I clicked the like button before I watch em 😅😅
Excellent, good to have you on the team mate.
The best video on the subject
Thanks for that, I'm glad you like it.
I have G12T-75s in my cab and wanted to change for greenbacks, this video saves me moeny, as here the G12Ts are closer to what I want. But what I realy realy want are Alnico Blues hahaha
Nice 1 Paul!
Thanks mate
@@ZillaCabs I read your columns in Guitarist regularly!
Always informative!
that spike really helps the T75 to be sparkly on the cleans while having tighter bottom end than the Greenback, which can also be more desirable for high gain tones, but for classic crunch kind of stuff, just can't beat them Greenies.
I think that's a really fair comment. I like the T75 in the right place but the greenback is a classic isn't it. Thanks for watching.
That t75 is made in China and they sound totally different and worse than the ones made in England,
@@rcattz5755have you compared in real life? Because a lot of the shitting on Chinese Celestions comes from people reading TGP.
Like them both and I already knew I would have preferred the T75... But in this video I like it much much better than the gb! It just sounds more aggressive and evil for metal.
I like them both but G12-75 is my choice 🙂 Thank you for the comparison
Great, good to hear someone going for the T75. Greenback is my favourite but I do love the T75 and its always nice to hear someone who is fighting its corner.
In my Rivera Fandangos, the G12T-75 sounds amazing. But strangely enough, it was not so good when I put one in my Marshall DSL40. Thanks for the video! The two speakers really sound good in combination with each other!
T75 for me is a speaker that has to be in the right place... it can be put in the wrong situation whcih I think is why most people go for the greenback as it is hard to find a situation that it doesn;t sound good in. I love the T75 too, I think some of its qualities lend itself better to more boutique kind of sounds. Thanks for watching.
Do you recommend installing the G12t 75 in a Marshall DSL40? I've been thinking about buying that speaker, so any advice will be very apreciated! thanks!
@@HBryanC1 I put one in mine, vast improvement over the 70/80 speaker it came with.
@@philcorcoran4970 I also did the mod. As you say, it's a major improvement. Now I'm considering changing the tubes. Have you done it? Is it worth it?
@@HBryanC1 changing the tubes for what? It already came with recommended tubes. I replaced tubes in my DSL 50 (JCM 2000) Head for Sovtek balanced, but reduced bias to 23mv +- as they work best there, rather than the 48mv Marshall recommended 20 years ago....
I don't understand the "bad reputation" about G12T-75. To me still a nice loudspeaker. Just a little bit less mid-highs in respect to the famous Greenback. Not an ocean of difference actually. Nice video !
Yeah me too, I think a lot of people read something on the internet and go with that, then it snowballs. It's not for everyone and I can see why some people wouldn;t like it but it definitely doesn;t deserve the amount of stick taht it gets. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs i think too! To my ears i like to push mids with my JVM and T75 to get what is missing compared to other speakers like V30.
It respond in a very nice way. You definitely can’t do that with a V30…
But the thing i love the most is the way it chugs with palm mutes. Just more bigger than a GB or V30.
Si there is a bit of fizz but not as audible in the room compared to miked sound.
Anyway I love T75 too
@@lesguitaresdepapa4903 Yeah I do the same. The T75's with my JVM205H sound great because I can boost the mids on the amp. With the orignal V30's I had I had to scoop them a bit and I'm not generally a scooped mids kind of guy. Some amps, the JVMs included, are just really mid heavy amps and the T75's complements that well.
Because the djent kids hate it. That’s the only reason why it has bad rep. Other than that, it’s a great speaker
I feel like I have to keep turning the volume up without results. Like something is missing. They don't work for me the way greenbacks do. Other players have had T75's work out for them. It depends on what your playing I guess.
They sound fairly similar on the clean and lightly driven tones, but I don't like that fizziness that's apparent from the G12t-75 on the more driven tones. You can can see the narrow spike in the highs on the frequency graph. Not for me, although I suppose it would work in a mix for certain styles of music. The Greenback is a classic sound, smooth but with plenty of crunch too, certainly my preference.
Yes. I had g12t 75s in my mesa boogie. And you grow very tired of the high gain fizziness. It's always there. You can table boost or eq a green back but u can't undo the fizzy on g12Ts. Sounds like you got Boss DS1 hooked up. I finally blew it up. Lol. I'm almost glad lol
@@KyleCarrington is there really no way to get rid of it? how come you dont hear it in the cleans
@@matteuklol Just use Presence control on an amp, that's what it's for. Or EQ in the FX loop. With Parametric EQ you can easily get rid of the spike without affecting other frequencies, though for me Presence is enough, as I like a bit of fizzle.
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Thanks, that is very kind of you.
on dirty channel: the greenback sounds more rounded and the t75 has the little airy fizzy boost presence which is kinda cool- gives it more unique character.
Hi Dean, thanks for that, it's always hard explaining sounds with words isn;t it, but I think what you did there is pretty bang on to me. Thanks for watching.
Greenbacks are my favorite speaker so not a hard choice 4 me.
The t75 sounds ok and may be what you need for certain types of music.
Good comparison Thanks!
Yeah, the greenback is my favourite of the two as well, but like you say, the T75 still has some admirable qualities. Thanks for watching.
Each of the speakers on their own are quite good but missing a little something. Mix them together however, and that's the sound of rock n' roll and 80's metal. I think I'm gonna X pattern these in a 4x12 build using an older closed-back Crate cab for the shell.
The T75 opens up in the mids, where the Greenback is very glued in that region. There’s a reason greenbacks are so nice with classic amps with that open character. it all gets glued together with that sweet gooey goodness.
But with modern amps, they tend to be way more compressed so they need something to let them breath a little. I find amps like Diezels just do better with T75s so you get a little of that klankiness that is just so damn fun to play
the greebacks kind of sound more like the guitar is in the other room, the 75s are more clear for me. Its a hard decision though i just got a 1960A and want to upgrade, maybe?
@@matteuklol it’s kind of the other way around. T75s have a certain hollowness to them due to the way they’re scooped. Greenbacks are more full in the low mids, but also have a high-mid spike. It’s presents as more even. With 75s, it’s like the speaker emulates what your guitar would sound like once it’s mastered in a mix. It sheds off some of the low-mid “puff”, it’s got more air and presence and the lows are set deeper.
The G12T-75's sound great for SRV type tones, love how the bottom end sounds on those double stops! Also the G12T-75 sounds better for the high gain stuff if my ears are serving me right. Both combined sounds like the way to go!
I love the T75 for the SRV stuff too, that speaker gets dismissed too quickly I think. We're planning a bit of a T75 special video later in the year.
I totally agree and when pairing them together they add bottom end, attack and harmonics the other speaker doesn’t have.
Sounds great, look forward to hearing it! Thanks for putting these together for us! Cheers from VA 🍻
Frusciante also uses them
The T75s were not filtering out that sizzle and fizz as well as the greenbacks were once the overdrive began. It reminded me of the tone of my IR-X if I forget to turn the IRs back on.
I'd be interested to know if T75s from the 1980s do that too. Most bands used them on stage back then and I remember those bands sounding very good. Yngwie used them too. His lead tone on the Rising Force album is so, so good.
I have a 1960a quad from about 1990 or so. The T75s have a black back with a white stripe through them. I had not seen those ones before. They definitely chugged better than my H30 loaded 2x12 when my nephew played his nu-metal stuff. I noticed a nasty frequency when he played lead with high gain though. The H30s were nicer for that.
Mixed these two are perfect with each other. The original mix and match mod years ago.. these two share the same sensitivity.
Sorry for taking time to respond. I think they are a great mix too... greenbacks are loosely my go to speakers (at least some sort of greenback), but I'm a secret fan of the T75, so mixing them was always going to work in my eyes. Thanks for watching.
@@ZillaCabs have you ever tried the G12K-85'S? These are really good mixed as well with Greenbacks and V30's.
I watched this video and it was amazing.
I put on headphones and closed my eye. I paused when I heard the tone I wanted. It was the Greenback.
I have a 30w Ashton Viper. It is an Aussie clone of an AC30. So the GB makes sense.
Great, thanks I'm glad you found it useful.
That t75 is made in China and they sound totally different and worse than the ones made in England,
However I usually tend to prefer greenbacks, the 75 sounds surprisingly good to me. There is some fizz, but doesn't hurt my ears and I think I actually prefer it to a V30 😄 The mixed pair has incredible bark and bite to kick some ass and cut through the mix, while not being ice-picky and retaining enough body to the sound. Seems well suited for rock IMO.
All these vids have taught me is that i prefer everything to the v30.
@lukeduke6693 Having a Vintage 30 cab taught me that lmao
Those Greenbacks are just creamie to me.I personally like the Greenbacks mixed in a cab with V-30's
That is a great mix, you have to watch for the sensitivity ratings but tonally its a great mix.
Hi, I preferred the Greenback, it has a better balanced sound overall. I thought the T75 sounded a bit more aggressive to my ears on some of the heavier stuff, which is a polite way of saying it has more high end fizz that I don't like so much. They mixed well together though, but I would probably prefer two Greenbacks or a Greenback mixed with something else to this combination!.
I think what you said there is pretty fair. The T75 has certain qualities (a bit more aggresive is one of the words I'd use) that work well for some people and not so much for others...... The greenback is a tough speaker to beat. Thanks as always for watching Patrick.
Eddie mixed two greenbacks with two JBLs in a 4x12 on Van Halen 1, sounds pretty epic!
The t75 in this video is made in China, this not a good comparison. The England on sounds totally different and better.
Both speakers are made in china@@rcattz5755
If you want a chewy texture with speaker breakup at lower volume you want the greenback. With the greenback you give up some clarity and tightness at higher volume due to midrange forward tone and breakup. T75 will hold up better at higher volume and be tighter and more articulate. They have a midrange character that is similar to with the T75 just being a bit scooped but definitely a greenback tonality.
In higher gain, the highs in the g12l-75 starts to sound like small screws being poured out on sheet metal. But together you don't really hear it and sounds GREAT
Someone asked me if I wanted a 2x12 Marshall 1936 with T75's for free and I couldn't say no, of course. I thought it would be awful. It stood around for a while. Plugged in one day - definitely an acquiered taste, those T75's, but not too bad. Then I swapped one of them with a Greenback from early 2000's, and I almost hate to admit it but now I prefer it to my carefully selected Vintage 30 cabinets. It just rocks hard in the room - both for rock crunch and metal.
I fell like g75 has more fuller sound, has a extra high end frequencie together with the mids. Greenback is more simple sound. Maybe a EQ adjust in the head can make a g75 sound like a greenback, not 100%, but similar. But if you want pop that high end you can, Grint. I use this every time in my 4x12 with marshall head.
Noticeable fizz in the G12t-75, greenback is my best speaker by far
I love the greenback, it's a great speaker. I do have a soft spot for the G12T-75, I think it definitely has its place its just a bit harder to slot in, especially on a test like this, but yeah, greenback wins most contests for me too.
If you record the G12-T75 and just low pass filter that nasty top end all that remains is a very usable tone. Greenbacks sound nice on their own already, but lack the punch for heavier styles imo.
I know what you mean there about both speakers. I like the T75 but I don't use it for heavier stuff. Thanks for watching.
Did you think they mixed ok ? I have a 2x12 Marshall w/2 GK-85’s and am thinking about replacing one with a greenback….(rock tones)….
I have a pair of g75 in jcm900 combo, do you think it's a good idea put one grrenback and g75 same cab? Both 16 ohms. I dont play very loud.
Amazing video!! In your opinion, to play Hard Rock / Heavy Rock what would be the best speaker to pair with a Greenback in a 2x12 cabinet?
Thanks mate, I love a greenback... I really like a h heritage with a greenback but there is a slight drop in volume. An M cream will make things a bit darker sounding, a V30 is good too to a dd a bit of aggression. It kind of depends on the cab and amp too though... but a greenback is generally a really solid base.
@@ZillaCabs really thanks for your answer
GT75 is legendary for thrash.
I really like it for edge of break up stuff too. It's a cool speaker for the right job. Thanks for watching.
i like both guys. but i prefer greenback here. however as said before older uk 75 are less fizzier and more greenbackish
I think that's about where I sit too with bother of these. Thanks for watching.
Well said dude
👍🇬🇧❤75's......smoother, bit more mids....upgraded version of the 25's 🔊
Greenback wins all the time.
Yeah I get that, it is one of my favourites, but do you think it wins because it is a good speaker or because you don't like the T75?................... I have to admit if you made me chose I'd go for the greenback nearly every time too.
@@ZillaCabs Greenback sounds more “all-around” speaker for any genre... I have both greenies (reissues and 55hz) and the T75, the greenie (reissue) has that snarl that I really love especially on a Plexi-style circuit I have...the T75 is better fit for higher gain amp for mid-scooped sound and tighter bottom end.....
@@OperationEndGame yeah pretty much bang on with what I hear there. I love the resissues too for that bit more bite. Thanks again for watching.
I am really starting to get tired of the fizzy sound that I find in my Marshall badged "G12 Vintage" and others like it. G12T-75 included. It may sound OK and cut through in a mix but in a room it sounds really bad when the gain is up. Overwhelming fizz. Loaded a pair of Greenbacks into the 4x12 to blend in with the G12 Vintage and it was like a gift from above.
Those speakers should work as pair, 16 ohms x2 i installed today that configuration in 1936 Marshall
With the 75 there is always some „Sizzle“ in the high frequencies…
I don‘t noticr this when playing my old 2551A 4x12 cab from 1987…
maybe it‘s a result of mic placement…?
Greenback for classic and modern metal (funny how that works) but for 80’s rock and SRV blues, the 75, it’s like my ears favor the smooth greenback sound on its own but in a mix the 75 cuts so that’s my opinion lolz
wouldnt 25 watt speakers in a cab be less than satisfying at loud volumes?
Over the years players complained that the T75 was too thin and bright with its scooped mids. A lot of those guys automatically use a V shaped EQ with hardly any mids. On a Marshall voiced amp the trick is to dime the mids and roll off the bass a bit. Viola!
Top comment mate! It's often a case of needing to pay more attention to the eq and think about pushing the boundaries in a different way that works best for the gear being used.
T75's all day every day!
I really like a T75 too but it can be dangerous saying that sometimes ;)
My choice would depend on the style I'm going to play. For classic Rock like old Van Halen greenback all the way But for the heavier metal tones T 75 Works Much better.
I suppose, that the closed back super fatboy with the celestion neo v type and the alnico blue would be a drem cab. I hope it would sound full and neutral. Could we hear that?
we've got a bunch of neo v type videos coming up next month, not in a super fatboy but I can try and sort that for you if we get time.
@@ZillaCabs Thank you.
Not sure what's going on in this recording, however my G12 T' 75w speakers sound nothing like this recording.
This sound clip makes the G12T very trebly which I don't have in mine.
I always roll off my treble on my amp anyway and Im very happy using a 30w Orange Rockerverb amp head..
It's an A?B test from a series of comparisons, so eq on the amp is set to the same. The video needs to be seen/heard in the context of an A/B series of videos. In practise its not how we would use our gear but it shows like for like in a given setup, with no bias what the speaker is doing in comparrison to another.
How does a vented t75 ( the best version ) paired with a creamback m65 or greenback
We've got a whole bunch of older T75s that we should be using in a video soon. Thanks for watching.
Prefer the Greenbacks, smoother. I have an old pair of G12S-50. Any demo for those?
Oooh I have as of yet never found a G12S that has worked ;) but I've never seen the G12S-50, all the ones I;ve had have been 20 watts so I guess more prone to blowing. I'm working on a collection of old speakers so as soon as I get my hands on some I'll do a video on them for sure.
Yeah, I'm down for this one, too. I have one in pretty good condition in my old Marshall combo 😉
Greenbacks are just a tad brighter but overall sound is pretty similiar in bot of them.
Greenbacks all the way!!
It is a cool speaker.
What is the most sensible configuration in a 4x12?
Greenbacks on top or diagonally? 🤔😉
I prefer the X apttern as it spreads a bit better in the room, in my opinion but there are no rights or wrongs to that.
@@ZillaCabs 😉
I think the g12t-75 got a bad reputation once they got paired with later era "brighter sounding" marshalls which accentuated the already more piercing highs that these speakers had when compared to something like a vintage 30 or greenback.
ah guys i'd like sometis ig possible a comparison between greenback and g10 greenback. nobody on youtube has done it ☺️
hahaha good timing, we were shooting that last Thursday.... along with a bunch of other 10 vs 12" videos. It's going to take us a month or so to get through all the editing but hold tights, it'll be out there soon.
@@ZillaCabs 😍
How old is the greenback used in the comparison? Is it “pre-rola” version?
I would like to know that too. Cuz there is a big difference between the two in an upper "bite" and "rola" version could just have sounded much more similar to the t75 and not as smooth as this clip here assuming this is the pre-rola version...
Sorry for the slow repsonse here. It's a brand new greenback, just had a slight bit of playing in but pretty much brand new.
The G12T-75 actually sounds much better at higher volumes, at bedroom levels they can sound a bit lifeless.
yeah they sound good pushed, but I guess a lot of gear does. Sometimes its hard to know how much it is the equiptment acting optimally or that we see them as sounding lively..... but yeah the T75 is a great speaker. Thanks for watching.
Is this a chinese 75?
Sounds a bit fizzy,the Uk ones are nicer and arent that scooped in the mid range
It is Chinese but the advantage of the UK made version is that they have had twenty plus years to soften up. People were saying the same thing about T75s twenty years ago. I love the T75 y the way, I;ve got stacks of them as they are so cheap. Thanks for watching.
Not fair comparison , the 75 should be up 50% higher then the tops would become thinner as the cone starts to buckle and push more bass through , then its sounds similar but still more brittle than the 25 , a broken in 75 sounds way different , to this raspy cardboard thing
sure, all broken in speakers sound different (as it goes these aren't straight out of the box). Any speaker comparison isn't a fair test, no one would play a speaker like this in real life. As it goes, when we do videos with talking so we can put context in we get slammed for it, which is why we haven't bothered putting any videos up for three years.
I love the G12t-75's in my Marshall 1960a 4x12, however in this demo they do sound a bit fizzy. Maybe I have that EQ'd out?
I have been thinking about maybe replacing two of the G12t-75's with G12m-65's (Creamback). I think the combination would be good. I assume I would put one on top and one below, diagonally? I would imagine I could two 25 watt Greenbacks instead of the G12h-75's and that would still give me 200 watts. And the Greenback 25 would break up earlier. Bogner mixes a V30 and Creamback in their OS 2x12 cabs and that sounds really good.
Has anyone else tried this (or similar) combo in a 4 x 12? Results?
I have a 1960A too and I love it as well. Have you seen Ola's review on the Marshall DSL20H? He uses a 1960TV cab with greenbacks. At 5:30 he mentions the lack of pumping low end. That's when the "AH HA!" moment came, so I'll be replacing to two top speakers with greenbacks.
You wrote Greeenback
I write trippple cone all the time too, I think my brain just works different sometimes ;)
@@ZillaCabs haha
Too much fizz on the 75. GB just sounds like rock and roll.
Put them in a band mix, and I'd challenge GOD to tell them apart.
Greenback more versatile, G12-T75 much more aggressive/responsive in high gain
Hi Tom, yeah I think that is fair. Thanks for watching.
Greenbacks= lots of "body" and ~120hz growl. Raw and honey-like! Slower attack
T75s=deeper-set lows, accentuates pick-to-string action (love this!). An almost 40 year old speaker STILL sounds modern as hell. Faster transient.
Both are super fun to play and one is NOT better than the other, with exception to application. T75s clean and firm up "body" frequencies a bit, making it the better choice for stuff like Boogies, Diezels, and Bogners inherently have that syrupy character and are very compressed and full. You can Greenback a Friedman all day though, since they aren't so compressed.
The GB sounds warmer, smoother overall
for sure, its a warmer speaker. Thanks for watching.
NEVER,!!!!
T75 is a fizzy mess.
The fizz in the 75 is unbearable
The G12T-75 used in this video is made in China and sounds totally different from the ones made in England, the ones made in England blow the new Chinese ones away.
They haven't been made in the UK for almost twenty years so the UK made T75s have had twenty years + to break in. There is also as much variation in UK made T75s as there is in most UK T75s against a new T75. There also aren't too many people have compared them in the exact same situation, and the its clear they aren't totally different.
They are totally different, there are many comparisons of the new and old broken in side buy side on line and the English blow the Chinese away, I have the old my friend has the new he wants mine. Not sure what you are listening to.@@ZillaCabs
@@rcattz5755 OK, I think you missunderstand what I'm saying, and I don't want to get in an internet arguement. I;ve recorded dozens and there is a difference, but there is as much difference within the UK T75s and there is between a twenty year old T75 and a new speaker. You are not comparing like with like. A fifteen year old Chinese T75 sounds softer than a new T75. Like I say, I'm not going to argue about this, I recorded heaps of these and A/B tested them to hell and back.
if you can really play well doesn't matter jack shit what you're playing though, A poor craftsman blames his tools
But at the same time a proper craftsman also chooses the right tools to help them achieve their goal. Marble sculptors don't use a wood chisel.
Green backs sound perfect ❤ the sound of rock and roll
yeah they are a great speaker for rock, but they are surprisingly versatile too. Thanks for watching.