Celestion Vintage 30 vs Celestion Seventy 80 Speaker (Joyo vs Marshall Cab)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- This is a review and demo of the Joyo Celestion Vintage 30 Speaker
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In this video, I am comparing a Celestion Vintage 30 speaker to a Celestion Seventy 80 speaker. Each of these speakers is loaded into a different 2x12 cabinet. The Celestion Seventy 80 is loaded in the Marshall MX212 cabinet and the Vintage 30 is loaded in the Joyo 212V.
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The seventy eighty is a solid speaker and one that could really offset a dark amp. I don't understand the hate it gets..
Exactly!!!
exactly, if my dark sounding randall had a 30 in it, it would be mud city...lol
I love my 7080s
V30s are way to muddy
Got a 2x12 with seventy 80, powered by a Marshall DSL20. That thing screams, it sounds badass. Pure Rock n Roll Sound
I have a 212 cab with 70/80s and it sounds badass with any of my Marshall tube heads...I cant imagine why they get so much hate...
People are not happy unless they can hate on what they are not using themselves.
I agree. I have one in a Peavey Triple XXX Super 40 EFX combo that sounds pretty good to my ears. It's not perfect and, at least to my ears, can be just a hair much on the treble side at times, but overall made the amp have more clarity and punch. The description of the Seventy 80 speaker is "a greenback taken to the max."
@@nomadronin7361 I agree...great description!
Agree
Try it with your IR cabs. It's gorgeous.
It’s like TV shopping. In the store they all show differences. Some brighter, some better contrast, etc. But no matter which you take home, it looks fine on the wall because you’re not comparing it to another.
That's def true for some people. I've got a Mesa recto 2x12, 4x12 and evh 2x12. Looking at getting the cheap 70/80 Marshall cab just for different a flavor. Plus, combining them with other cabs. Lots ya can do.
I think cabs and speakers are just as important as amps and guitars, can't have just one ;)
That’s what I’ve found too. I played many gigs with the DSL 40C that came with a Seventy 80 and it sounded great. When I A/B’d them against a Greenback, it sounded horrible. 🤔
Absolutely perfect analogy
From Leo: I have heard trash talk about Seventy/80 speakers for years. I am generally a very clean player I think Seventy/80 are fine and actually like them better for the clean and slightly over driven tones. My favorite speakers for jazz are still the Eminence Cannabis Rex. Very warm and smooth.
Hahaha so spot on!!!
(Both 70-80 and Rex are kings in their own realms- and Rex a literary one! (70-80 reigned from '70 to '80 too))
I love your comments, keep them coming!!!
The seventy eighty is very flat speaker, it really gives a very “uncolored” sound, just reproducing what the amp sends to it. Perfect for glassy cleans and slight, cutting crunch. The problem I have with it is that I usually play stuff with tons of distortion, and the seventy eighty just has too much high end and it begins to sound a bit thin and fizzy. It’s for cranked-plexi and heavier tones that I prefer a greenback/t75 combo, to emphasize the mids for some more contoured tones.
The 70/80's seemed to have more midrange and were cleaner sounding both on the clean and boosted channels. I would think they would cut the mix a lot better in a band situation. The vintage 30's were muddy to me. I'm really surprised at the comparison and my thoughts. I have a 212 with 70/80's and was thinking about switching them out for Vintage 30's, but I think I'll stay with what I have after hearing this. Thanks
i actually have the same DSL40 used in this video. I was totally considering making the switch… keeping the 70/80…
70/80 has less midrange. And in comparison to the V30, way less. It's very flat if not almost scooped in the midrange. That's what makes it sound more "neutral"
Having owned an amp with a 70/80 speaker, I can say that it is complete crap. Very beamy and very bright. I'm no fan of the Vintage 30, but it is lightyears better. I had an amp that came with a 70/80, that was all but unusable, that became a rare gemstone when loaded with a G12m.
@@mattpeterson553I agree with you. This video did little to sway me one way or the other but I have a 2x12 Marshall with the 70/80 speakers. I hate them. Muddy and dark. The vintage 30 might not be the way to go but the 70/80s have to go period. Eminence might be the way. Texas heat or Swamp thang.
I have a marshall cab with two 70/80 and I was going to switch them out for two vintage 30s . And i have to agree with you I think I'll just keep my 70/80s ....or .maybe get a 4x4 cab and use the v-30 with the 70/80s ....idk I just know I'm not happy with the sound I'm getting from my cab right now......als to thinking of getting a 2 notes cab IR ...or the joyo amp college ( not sure if it called that) but its $200 new and has a bunch of cool amps and cabs and room to add your own.,...Idk 😐
I have a Vintage 30 and 70/80s in my 2x12 cab ... sounds great paired together
What a great idea, I have seventy/80’s in Marshall MX212A. I could replace one with a Vintage 30 and see how I like it.
I also run a V30 and a 70/80 together. I think they compliment well. I prefer the combination to either speaker on their own..
amen, growl and screech
Glad I found these comments I been considering adding a v30 to a 212 open back cab I have loaded with 70/80s. I tried swapping in a V Type and didn’t think it was better than just the 2 70/80s.
I don't get the hate, it's different, not better. Don't be a sheep and follow whatever TheGearPage says is the flavor of the month. Everything has it's place.
If your amp is "Dark" 70-80s are awesome (I have a 2x12), but if your setup is "Bright" YOWZAH!
whats odd is Vintage 30s (another 2x12) with my Origin 20....are more growl....weird (same impedance on both cabs 8ohm)
Agree. Blackstar put 70/80s in a lot of their cabs meant for some of the HT series. I have the HT20 MK.1 Head and it's quite dark, especially on the clean channel.
However, in my Laney VC30 it was flat as a pancake. V-Type was a better fit.
Totally!!!
@@mattgilbert7347 how would you compare those two Matt, 70-80 and the V type, they seem to be two of my Celestion favourites, yet never heard either in person.
The Seventy 80 sounded better to me in all of the different tones. The Vintage 30 sounded like it was muffled when on the higher gain settings. I wonder if that's because its a lower wattage speaker and it was starting to distort. I'm listening through mid-focused headphones as well. Maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know.
The seventy80 tends to be on the shrill/bright side but because of that pairs nicely with a darker speaker
Well in my very personal opinion I like the 70/80 way better, it has that cool crisp that I love, specially being a Fender guitar player, work best to my vibes!
I use 70/80s and run an IR cab through them. I get any cab. They were designed for modeling amps so they work perfect for my no-amp rig. I have an old line 6 spider 4x12 and bypassed a spider ii 2x12 head for a second cab. Wet dry wet rig with all preamps and poweramps on the board. Sounds amazing.
I think 70/80 is perfect for 60-80 hard rock, while 30 sound better for metal. Every music equipment is good depended on how to use it. No point to hate any of them. Damn, wanna have them both.
I use my vintage 30's for blues and blues rock... They have a great tone... It's my preference for what I do
You are so right!!!
@@bluesmakesuhappy Yep, me too. And in a big fat 4x12 Recto cab. EQ'd right it's heaven.
I gotta say Vintage 30s. Damn, because I have G12P-80s, which are pretty much Seventy-80s I think. But I can't play well enough to care too much and I never play gig loud. So they sound awesome for my uses. This month I bought a used Line 6 Flextone III 2x12 with the shortboard stomp box for $450 NZD. Mint condition after I anti-ox sprayed a scratchy volume pot. I've only had little 8inch practice amps till now. So like 35 years of tiny amps. OMG what a difference having a big amp with twin 12s makes!!! Will it make me Jack White? No, too late. But my son is 9 and he may just have the stuff. So glad he's got all my gats to access and the big amp. Got him a Harley Benton 3/4 Strat...but he hates it. He loves my Strat partscasters and my LP copy. So far nothing broken. He's learning to care for stuff from playing guitar. Cool.
They are pretty close actually. The Seventy 80 is the speaker that keyboard warriors seem to hate. It might be just a hair "smoother" than the Vintage 30.
JohnnyG Yeah, they sound essentially the same. In my experience the Celestions are very similar, across their entire line. Good sound for all of them, depends more on the amp setting, pickups etc.
They really don't sound the same. They are actually pretty complimentary and when used together each helps fill frequencies the other is missing.
And I'm glad they do. You can get amazing deals on seventy80s because the internet says they suck.
I agree Shane i like the 70/80 for clean and vintage 30 for distortion.
To my ears the seventy 80 sounds a lot more scooped, while the V30 is very midrange focused.
@@samboggs3499 I'm not a huge seventy eighty fan, but I'll admit it sounded better with the clean setting than the drive.
That's WHY it's a V type! V = vintage. IE mid focused!
@@proteus2103 Not a Seventy Eighty fan either, but the clean on the V30, . . in my opinion, was the only setting that overshadowed the 70/80's (and it suprised me!)...
You are right, I think it is more scooped. It sounds more like the G12T75 than a V30. V30 is definitely more punchy by design. However, it's hard to get that scooped rhythm sound with a V30 that is so easily obtained with a 1960 G12T75 cab.
7080 sounds more defined for my ears and fuzzier when overdriven. I like that speaker far better than the v30.
Yea the 80s speakers kinda have a greenback
70-80’s are hated upon but when you load them into the right box. On a clean amp, especially a Dumble, sounds killer with an open back 2x12.
The key to getting the best out of a a v30 is for it to be paired with the right amp. When it's not well matched to the anp it wont sound right . The v30 and the dsl 40 both c and cr models are are not the best combo . In a silver jubilee the v30 would crush the 70/80..the original dsl circuit was designed with the 70/80 in mind. The new dsl has the v type because they changed the circuit.althoigh the v30 pairs very well with, the newer dsl 5. O have a 5cr and a 40cr and through my 1 by 12 v30 cab the dsl 5cr smokes my 40cr tone wise . Much more open and has that classic marshall roundness. Much less fuzzy sounding than the 40cr .I do love the 40cr though..
80’s for me. Sounded brighter IMO..👍🐨
I've got an Orange PPC-112 with a Vintage 30 that makes any guitar sound good. My only regret is not getting the 2x12.
The vintage 30’s lacked the clarity of the 70/80s in all the samppling IMO. Great video Shane.
The seventy 80 sounds sorta scooped
70/80 for overdrive. V30 clean....IMO. Both sound good under Shane’s guidance though..
The Vintage 30 has been the most recorded speaker in modern metal by a street, so it certainly more than holds its own for overdriven tones. The Seventy 80 by comparison is quite shrill and lacking in mid range.
To my ears, I can hear useful tones from both depending on feel of your playing. It’s not question of what is better, only a matter of the mood you’re trying to create. It really makes you think about how much the speakers in your amp are just as important as your guitar or pedals you use. Thanks for sharing! Cheers!,🎸🎸🎸🎸🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
I was perfectly happy until I started watching RUclips. I keep finding out all my stuff is junk. LOL
Guitar Ocd 🤣😂🤣
Jamal Kareem always a quality comment from Jamal. Well said sir.
larrimo s Thank you!!
It is completely pointless to do a comparison unless the cabinets are identical.
Last year i'd be disagree, but after learning one or two. Yes, it's true...
You are absolutely right.
Wood and construction might be different but who needs comparisons that exact...
Yeah no, but seriously it would be nice to have an exact comparison but also it's not a big deal.
@Salvatore Guidone with all respect you are wrong. No matter how close the mic is, the sound it collects is unavoidably heavily coloured by the cabinet. Think speaker and cabinet as a totally new unified object. There is instant interference. No offense, cheers!!
@@georgefromgreece4119 According to Celestion's Guidelines for Designing a Guitar Speaker Cab: " The box size is not critical."
I've got the 70-80s in my Mustang 4. They sound very good on clean tones, but not so great on dirty tones. But, I use the Mustang for my Line 6 Pod Go, and they sound great no matter what type of tone I'm using. So in my case, I'd say it's the preamp of the Mustang that is the issue. Running throught the effects loop makes it sound like a different amp.
The 70/80 sure kept pace, sound great. I have 2 v30s in my marshall 412, went w t75 in the 212, way into the t75s over the v30
V30 for metal 70/80 for music
Hahaha
I’ve had amps with both, and to me V30s cut through the mix much better; Plexi + Orange 2x12 with V30s nowadays. From my experience, I found the 70/80 got a bit fizzy when turned up loud. Just my own experience, but you really need to try both.
i love the seventy 80, it is like the cheaper brother of the g12k 100 that i also love ...
btw. i played the orange ppc 412 hp8 loaded with g12k100, then because i love Mattias Eklundh and his tones he got with his laney i bought a vh100r and a g212 cab loaded with seventy80 and i was shocked about how similar they sounded and i halready bought the gs212 3 times i keep coming back to it.
Lovely playing, Shane. Preferred the V30 as the Seventy 80 did sound like it had been scooped until the clean jazzy tones where the Seventy 80 shone - have not been a fan of the Seventy 80 myself in the past, however it just goes to show that it has its place :)
How about the two cabinets played at the same time, or a speaker swap so one of each in one cabinet. If the V30 is strong in the mids, and the 70/80 is a bit scooped, maybe they'd make a great combo?
That’s a good point
For the over-drive sounds, the Vintage 30 all the way: softer (more luxurious) response characteristics to the complex overtones of the sound. However, Celestion markets the Seventy 80 speakers as ideal for modeling amps, and the higher frequency response and clarity is obvious in every example. I conclude, the different speakers require different EQ and saturation settings to achieve similar sounds. I have a Traynor YCV80 - tube pre-amp, solid state rectifier, tube power amp - with two Seventy 80s that is very much like a Fender Twin, and I love the clean and and powerful response, perfect for jazz and effects pedals (the drive channel is nasally and I don't use it). With my Traynor YCV20, 15watt tube amp with Celestion G12M Greenback, it's guitar-cable-amp.
Excellent comment!
If your looking for a killer clean sound on a darker amp like the DSL..then in my opinion the V30 is not the way to go..V30 sounds great on a good clean tone amp. I have a Marshall 2x12 with 70/80's that sounds amazing with my blackstar HT20 which is darker sounding to me..
it's very close(in my ear-buds) but the 30 is King Kong. The 70/80 w/ the right player sounds great, I prefer the 30, but I like the 70/80 almost as much.
For my ears, with high gain it was a non contest Vintage 30 easily sounded better. But for cleans I had to go back and check the video to see which speaker I was hearing. Much closer on clean.
I was actually ummming and ahhhhing about which cabinet to go with. So this video came up at the perfect time. I am now 100% decided. Thanks!
I was always told the 70/80 was relatively flat eq on response (as its often used in modelling amps). Its the case that if you didnt like the 70/80 then you werent a fan of your amps natural tone
Compared to an average guitar speaker, it has extended highs and the common 1.5 kHz dip.
So it's not flat.
I love them though- 70-80s.
But V30s are flatter.
Check the frds.
Cheers!
Both are great !!! I need a clean sound and the 80 seventy is the perfect choise to my ear !!!!!!!!
Great comp Shane. I think seventy 80s have been unfairly maligned, most likely by people who haven't tried them. They are quite transparent and don't seem to colour the sound in comparison with some of the other speakers. I have one in a Blackstar Studio 10 KT88 combo and it sounds huge. I also run my Origin 20H through an MX 2x12 (the vertical one). With the original seventy 80s I was pretty happy with the sound. In the name of experimentation I swapped them out for V30s, but wasn't really happy with the result - it sounded kind of thick and didn't break up as early so swapped one of the 70/80s back in. I felt that was an improvement, but ended up replacing that with a G12T75. The V30/G12T75 is a great mix of speakers. One day I'll swap the Seventy 80s back in and see how they compare again. One thing, the Seventy 80s are very light in comparison with the V30's so the cab is now noticibly heavier to huck around.
When Marshall puts a stock speaker in a cabinet there's a reason for it. Right away people change the stock speaker. My DSL40 has a stock 70 80. And that's the way it's staying.
i like the crunchy mids of 70/80
Overall I enjoyed the seventy/80 more, at times a lot more.
I use 70 80s in all my amps love them.
Tested a Seventy 80 out a few weeks ago in a 2x12 combined with a WGS ET 65.
I didn't like it and sent it back. It sounded very HiFi to my ears.
It had very crisp highs like you can also hear in this video and it also sounded a little scooped to my ears. Especially with higher gain settings it really didn't sound pleasant to me.
Something about the tone seemed boring and lifeless and it somehow was missing any smoothness or warmth in the treble frequencies.
For cleans and slightly overdriven sounds it seemed usable though.
It's funny because in comparison videos like this here it sounded fine to me and like it could be, what I was looking for. But I have a feeling that the real character of a speaker only really shines through if you actually hear it in a room with you.
I was thinking about mixing the 70/80 with a V12.
@@DunderHead.5000 Do you mean a V12-60? Many good things I've read about them, sounded kinda similar to the 70/80 in the videos I've watched in my opinion (which as I said, doesn't always give you the right picture). Would be interesting to see how this might turn out though
Think you nailed the tone of the 70 80 perfectly. It's kind of a weird sounding speaker, kind of hi-fi, kind of flat, too scooped, muddy lows and screechy highs. It can probably work in some applications, but there are much better speakers out there, imho.
@@DunderHead.5000 Same, i have 2x 70/80's in my blackstar 2x12; thinking of swapping one out for a G12H Creamback 75w
Surprisingly I liked the 70/80 best
70-80 has scooped mids but that works better for me because my amps and guitars a pretty midrangey already.
I was actually quite surprised at how different they sounded. I recently purchased a 412 at a hyper affordable price that was loaded with 7080s but was considering swapping 2 of the speakers for V30s. After listening to this, I don't think it's necessary, cuz I love the sizzly highs that the 7080s have for the music I'm making.
This could sound weird but, i prefer the 70/80 over the V30, i have a Blackstar HTV-212 loaded with 70/80 matched with my Peavey 6505+ and i love my tone, mid focused and detailed at the time to play, the V30 are too much brilliant for me, not bad but not for me
I want to hear them both in a 2x12. As in one Vintage 30 and a Seventy 80 together.
70/80 for cleans and 70’s classic rock
The seventy 80 sounded better in this video. I think it depends on what music you play and how loud. I had a V-type and Alnico Gold in my 2 DSLs. The V-type sounded better for cleans. I had the seventy 80 before but can't remember how I liked that because I had the speakers at different times. I just bought a 212 with seventy 80 I hope I'll like it. Thanks for the video.
Like them both; would sound awesome together 👍
Great comparison. I have the 70/80 in my Blackstar Club 40 mkii combo. The amp is pretty new, so I will let the speakers break in before considering a replacement. A Strat or Tele would yield different results. I thought the V30 was smoother but a bit too dark on drive tones. The 70/80 did sound a tad thin in comparison, but to my ear, not in a bad way. I preferred the 70/80 for clean tones in this demo.
I put back the 70/80 in my DSL 40 and built a separate cab for my Vintage 30. Both are 16 ohm ,installed a parallel jack on Marshall cab so both can run from 8 ohm output or either alone, 16 ohms
So did u put one of each in either cab and compare them together? Sounds to me like they could balance each other's strengths and weaknesses a little. V30 better grunt, 7080 better high end? Br interested to see this in a video as I have a v30 cab I love but looking at what speaker to put in my second cab for a good balance
Both sound good, just slightly different voicing. I still prefer the creamback over both though.
Good comparison vid Shane. I have had the Seventy 80 in a various amps but found it a slightly harsh and stiff sounding speaker. Replaced one in a Laney combo with a Lorantz Greenback clone and the tone improved hugely. Also replaced one in a Marshall like your DSL40 with a Celestion Neo Creamback and it was just so much better- the Neo Creamback is my favorite combo speaker right now. Not a fan of the V30
V30 for overdrive, 70/80 for cleans
Damn I think the Seventy 80s sound way way better!
I have been on the Vintage 30 train for years, but I think the Seventy 80 wins here.
I might have to go get my 70/80 out of the box I stored it in when I replaced it with a Signature 12A last year!
Kkkk
IMO
Vintage 30 for a warm clean/crunch tone
Seventy 80 for a scooped metal tone
Interesting comment. I use the 7080s and I play exclusively classic rock and Chicago blues and I love the tones. But when I try to dial in a "Kill em all" tone I'm not satisfied. I play through a marshall ori20/212 7080 cab/sg standard. Pedals include mini wah, oc3, ehx hot wax, ds1, big muff,(fx loop) small clone, moore tremolo and delay, holy grail. I guess "tone" really is subjective.
@@sagvjc2525 Try some EMGs.
@@notgnar8506 emgs? Are they versatile? Any kind in particular?
@@sagvjc2525 they are a little sterile on their own, but give the cleanest of cleans. They sound great with a DS1 and a nice amp, you might get that skull thumping tone. If I only had one guitar they probably wouldn't be my first choice but I will always have at least one guitar with EMGs, I like the 81/85 personally. They aren't cheap so it's just a suggestion to look into.
@@notgnar8506 wait bro, are emgs pickups or speakers? I also have a fender jag and strat knockoff. I use the strat knock off and jag I use for slide guitar [open E and G tuning]. I was into Metallica when I was in middle school but kinda stopped listening to them[bought Ride the lighting when I lived in MEX]. I got into them again recently..
I far preferred the V30’s for all gain tones. Both sounded pretty good in clean channel.
Thanks for the demo Shane. Ordered a 1x12 cab with a V30. :)
My old DSL40 came with a 70/80. Hated it then, hate it now. I can't believe they still put those in some cabs. They sound so much better with a proper Celestion like a V30 or Creamback. They must've known because I think now the new version of the DSL40 comes with a different speaker now and before then Sweetwater sold a limited ed. one with a Creamback
I like neither on their own as I find each lacking in different areas but together they work well filling in many of the gaps each lacks. Still not perfect but as a budget solution I run these 2 together. If I had those 2 cabs, I'd swap one speaker from each.
So right!
Yo he tenido el seventy 80, g12t-75 y 100 y g12m-70 y para mí oído la diferencia es inapreciable, creo que todos son estupendos altavoces para rock.
Estoy de acuerdo!
V30s and the 80s together in a can would be interesting. Hmmmm
Well done and thanks for sharing brother! That's a Great Comparison! Personally I think their both very useable! Be Well Shane!
Wow, I’m surprised how different they are. Well done!
I had Marshall cab with seventy 80 s to me with crunch up to metal the best way l can describe them is a cross between a can of nail's been shaked to a jar of blowflies
So l tried a mixture of 3greenbacks and 1 seventy 80 and it sounded pretty good
Just bought a cheap battered Marshall cab with 4x12 G12p80 (seventy80s) and I also have a really old 1970s Powercell 12-120 watt designed and used for keyboards that I put in the cheapest Pulse 120m watt Wedge cab (I use with my NI Smart midi S49 keyboard). I have another wedge with a Vintage30 in it, bought a pair of Pulse cabs cos I had the Celestions kicking about for many years boxed new. I also put some plywood around the inside of the Pulse cabs just to help control the bass better.
Without pushing them, using same amps instruments etc , the Powercell is so much brighter and cleaner the Vintage30/seventy80 are smooth DULL and needs pushing SIGNIFICANTLY harder before they decide to wake up withouth ever getting that bright top end on the Powercell. The seventy 80 are renowned for modelling which was why I bought them and are only slightly different to Vintage30s, again a difference you can only really tell once the speakers are pushed hard. The issue with the Vintage and G12T is there a one instrument only speaker, they do not like you pushing bass/mid/high all at once so hence a true Guitar speaker not PA or for keyboards. Whilst the Powercell is a wonderful speaker since it can handle what ever you through at them. especially high/lead parts at the cost of some bass response it would be a little too bright for some, especially rhythm darker metal. Again seventy80s are great for darker Heavy Metal, I think better even than the Vintage30s due to the added bass response/bottom end. a more full deeper darker bass
What I want to say is it all depends on your source, your amp, your speakers and what volume you are running them all at. For recording I usually always run the amps high gain but with lower input levels, I also find mixing more than 2 speakers can be a great benefit, in fact I will mic up the cabs (wet) and also take a line in from DI so have a dry track or two for any extra effects and modelling.
I have found no speaker is perfect for every scenario, you need to carefully pick and choose and it is very much down to personal preference and the specific need at the time (studio live room etc). Mixing different speakers in a cab is certainly one way round it, especially if you can wire them in stereo - split two channel. But for recording live you would probably find you use different speakers, and as many will say for live if you have a modelling amp get the seventy80s the Vintage30 are the once for the true guitarist who use effects without the modelling.
as for the difference in cabs, I dont think it really makes any significant difference SO LONG as the cab has plywood surround inside and not any form of MDF that will just soak up and muffle the bass or maybe not cos some might like that deeper darker tone without the tight bass.
If you mix a Vintage 30 with a G12-T75, now that is a killer sound. I don’t really like the 70/80. Sounds bland and tinny to me.
Your mileage may vary.
Comp of 2 speakers where one speaker is priced £130 (vintage 30) vs £75 (seventy 80) where sonic variance is so subtle I struggle to justify paying so much more money for nuances that can be adjusted by EQ. My personal opinion ;D
The thing i noticed most of all on my Marshall dsl40c was the neck pick ups on LP's and strats suddenly sound amazing with the v30. (They used to sound dull and lifeless with seventy/80's whatever tone settings I used, so I only ever used to play with the bridge pickups).
Because neck pickups need mids to sound good and v30s have them
Seventy 80 seems to hold the notes together better to me.
I have a 2x12 loaded with one of each and I think it sounds pretty darn good. I use a Orange Supper Crush 100 head.
70/80 seems to have better highs and cleaner mids. V30 is more colored for that metal sound
Yeah,I did alot of test with different celestion speakers.. and the 70/80 can't carry the Vintage 30s jockstrap. Unless they've changed them recently.
I liked them both for different tones so that made my decision to get set of the 30s. I have seventy 80s now.
I think the V30's sounded best but the 70-80 sounded dang good to me when doing the clean demo....Overall tho for a Strat player like me I'd do the V-30's. I had a Mesa Recto 2x12 cab I bought back in 90-ish and it sounded wonderful but I'm 63 now and am considering an upright 2x12. The Mesa cab was too heavy-ish and awkward for me to carry easily.
How come on the clean tones they sounded almost exactly the same, but distorted they sounded massively different? Is it the wattage?
Treble content. There is some ultra-high frequency in the clean sound but the dirt makes it almost constant. Both are still better than the classic clean Fender speakers for distortion, which lack any real bite, leading to too piercing treble trying to compensate.
It sounds like two different guitars. Be great to have a 2x12 and one of each in there for a full tone.
That’s what I was thinking...they might balance one another...but (in my opinion) it easier to bring out the treble from a set of v30 than to bring the low end from the 70/80...
I must be the only one who preferred the V30 in the stormy Monday/clean section. The better mids of the V30 make it sound more articulate to my ears, while the 70/80 was too soft in the mids and too heavy in the lows, making it sound almost muddy in comparison. Do blues players really need all those lows? I don't think so. Give me the mids to cut through. I'll take the V30.
I have a Katana 100 2x12 with one of each of these exact speakers and it sounds effing awesome! I also have a 2x12 cabinet with a Vintage 30 and an Eminence Swamp Thang and that speaker combo sounds killer too.
the seventy 80 is just one of those speakers that says we are in post millennia now, and kinda does any sound
Dunno i was looking at a vertical 212 cab with 70-80s and after hearing some demos it sounded pretty bad. harsh high end it sounds like to me.
wot
"we are in post millennia now" ???? We live in a permanent state of post millennia because of all the millennia that have come before this millennium.
Seems like a very fair test. I have played through a single vintage 30 for the last 7 years driven by an Orange tube amp and been very happy with it and the test gives me an indication of why. Admittedly my ears have had many years of wear and tear but to my hearing the vintage 30 gives just a little more of what I need but it is a very subjective thing and I readily concede that younger ears may hear each speaker differently . Not saying that the Seventy 80 sounds bad but for the blues, the Vintage 30 gets my nod.
Seventy 80 for chords, Vintage 30 for lead lines - did anyone else get that impression? I'm considering the Joyo for my Blackstar HT20 "Studio" Mk1 Head. Might have to look at other cabs/speakers, but the Vintage 30 is a solid speaker. The Joyo cab...eh. Idk.
I would put it the other way round.
Solos, benefit from treble, contrary to the common belief, and rhythms from 1.5kHz.
But all is acceptable.
Get creative!
Cheers!
70/80 in my dsl sounds great . I've never been a fan of it in my other amps. But on this amp it sounds great . Could be a fluke
Actually.....The cab itself that a speaker is in makes the real difference..... Both speakers sound similar... But,the 70/80 sounds less muddy,especially when the OD was on....v30 sounded muddy all the time.
Gah Shane you always do such good comparisons but I sure wish you could do the same comparison using rock/metal style me playing with chugging and riffing.
P.s. . do enjoy your blues playing !!
70/80s sounded crisp but sterile and the vintage 30's sounded like a blanket was over them. great video though man. I am even more torn on replacing my 70/80 with a v30. haha
Hi Shane, thanks for demo. I don't like any of those 2. My preference goes to G12M ( greenback) for rock, ang G12H for Blues. I'm not in the high gain thing, but I found the 7080 more modern tones, mean more scooped and bassy/boomy than V30. V30 more aiming at low gain/crunchy tones. It's all matter of taste and style of music we play. Also the quality of the cabinet interacts a lot with delivered tones, you won't hear the same depending on 1x12, 2x12, 4x12, birch plywood/plain pine, closed/open. Tone Graal doesn't exist apart in one's mind.
hey buddy. just a little tip. get a di box and just reamp the track. that way you dont have to play it twice and there is no human error invloved. you can use the track for 1000 different speakers and always have a solid baseline
Why would the Seventy 80 (was originally called G12P-80) have been around for 25+ yrs, still going strong, and why would so many amp and cab manufacturers use a Seventy 80 if it was not a very solid speaker? Traynor, Blackstar, Marshall, Line 6, Hartke, Laney, Peavey, Ibanez, Ampeg, Acoustic, Fender, Randall, Orange, Rivera, and the list goes on and on. Why would they risk their reputation on a crappy speaker? A blend of value and quality as in any business, but the evidence of the value and quality of the Seventy 80 is clear, at least to me and many others. Haters (and Karens) gotta hate.... YMMV. 🖖✌🤘👍✊👊🎸🎸🎸💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥🧯🧯🧯😜😋🙃😁😎😎😎 (BTW Thanks Shane! Subscribed!)
The 70/80 does not sound bad. I'm not a particulair fan of the Vintage30.
I got a 2x12" Marshall cabinet with the Seventy 80s some years ago and... while not bad, I do think they probably make the sound lack something. - I mean, yea, maybe my amplifier is a little questionable, but even when I try to set it the best I can, it seems to lack something nice, especially trying to get a guitar to "sing" or "shine". - It's like the "goodness" caps out at 75-80% of what one would like and it just can't get any further than that. - Maybe it's because I'm not driving the speakers hard enough, but... yea, I don't know, even at like 80-something dBs it should probably sound good. - That said, I might get another cab with say your regular V30s or the V-Type that also seem interesting.
I basically got that Marshall-cabinet because of its shape, being one of those vertical ones where the top half is slanted, to both have a nice size but a smaller footprint, as well as some spread for the sound, but also because it was like 300-something Euros. - Oh, and I believe it's one of the lighter ones at 23KG, while others of even similar size can be over 30KG for some reason. That's probably because the construction or wood is different, which in turn might change the sound as well, but I need to drag it up two flights of stairs.
much preferred the vintage 30, but I can see how some would like the 70/80 for a mid scooped sound
I preferred the V30's by a long shot. In my personal experience, having owned 4x12 cabs with both, I found that Seventy 80's work really well with solid state amps but V30's are the way to go with tubes.
Love watching Shane smash out his demos always gives a realistic demo with a great vibe that’s enjoyable to watch. Question 🙋♂️ for Shane off this video, I use a Fender custom 68 princeton reverb as my recording and gig amp. I am looking in to the celestion 70/80 speakers 2x12 to pair it with. What’s your thoughts please or is there something else you would suggest with my amp? Thanks Ben 💯💙🎸
I may be a minority here, but I prefer the Seventy80s all the way actually.