All these people moaning about mic placement, wrong creamback image, blah blah blah, etc, etc. This guy's generously using his time to record his findings and share them with the rest of us, which is VERY USEFUL. If the habitual whiner's, faultfinders, gripers can do better, then let's see what you've got, or better still... STOP F"(^&")G MOANING and watch something else, give the guy a break. Thank you Zaloral for posting this as I'm in the process of changing speakers.
lo5man Absolutely! If your so deaf that you cant hear the clear difference's in this guys recordings and tell witch speaker comes closest to the direction you want to sonically travel then you should probably stop playing guitar because your tone deaf!! Just saying. Great demo of each speaker dude! Your also showing that this is an incredible amp!! Props
For real. It's march of the pedans in this comments section. Just saw a "If I made the video" comment, the poster's reply explaining what he did, then a reply to that with yet another "If I made the video" comment. Unbelievable.
Excellent video , and everything I needed to hear to stay away from the Seventy 80. Redoubled respect for the Greenback and Creamback. Thanks for taking the time to make this!
The seventy 80 sounds stuffy and shrill when new, but once you've broken it in, its bass opens up and it balances out nicely. I was speaker rolling with a Weber ceramic Blue Dog, a WGS ET65, and an Eminence RW&B- and opted to keep the stock speaker (a rebranded seventy 80) in my HRDx III.
I also have several (6) Seventy 80s in a couple of different cabs. Once they are broken in they lose a lot of the 'scratchy' tone that they have new, as their response softens and mellows in the presence region. They are actually pretty awesome speakers despite being the Celestion budget offering. All they really are really is a Classic Lead cone fitted to a cheap middle-weight magnet.
i got laney irt and g212 cab for trade. İ thought i would get rid of the cab immediately. They werent fancy speakers but 70 80s in laney sounded very good and actually i kept it.
i have the same amp, DSL40C. Bought it in 2016. I have what i need for my tone, guitars, JHS pedals, but no matter how much i tried to roll off the fizzyness and the harshness of the sound coming from the amp, I could not do it...because of the stock speaker. So after listening to a couple of reviews, this review actually made me order just now the Creamback G12M-65. Can't wait for it to come and install it and blast some tones out of that speaker...I mostly play with tones resembling of Satriani and Timmons and Lukather...so..this should do the job very well. Thanks for the review..5 years later it still helps a lot :) Cheers!!
Fantastic comparison done the right way. I have a DSL40C as well with the stock speaker and think it sounds pretty good once it breaks in. Many say it's trebly but I think it helps cut through the mix in a band or live situation. That Creamback sounds really good though and may have to give one a try.
Thank you sir! It's true, the Seventy 80 break the wall of sound, but I prefer the Greenback all the time. The Creamback is more dark but give a lovely and punchy tone.
I have always been a G12M kinda guy. Even preferred it over the V30. However that creamback is kickin ass. Sounds so good. Like a G12M but also with some of good qualities of a V30.
thanks so much for this comparison. I actually own all three of these speakers and just started making cabinets, because I can't afford 500 bucks for a 2x12, or even more for a 4x12. This comparison helped me a bunch but I'm still going to run it through my rigs, amps, and see what sounds best through a vox hw ac30 and a PRS 50 watt archon. Thanks again and great playing! Keep strumming brother.
Just got a DSL40 and used it at a gig over the weekend, playing classic rock. I like the amp, but I will definitely be switching out the seventy 80 for a greenback. I thought I'd be putting in a creamback, but this excellent shootout helped to inform me. I'll usually be running the amp in triode mode so that I can push the power tubes and still keep stage volume reasonable, so I don't think the reduced power handling of the greenback will be an issue. Thanks sooooo much for putting this together, great job.
All of them sound very good with different voicings. I have Celestion 70/80 in Harley Benton Tube 15 and it's perfect for this particular amp. I would like to have all of these speakers to get different sounds and vibes.
This is a great demo coparasin of new speakers. I wonder what they would all sound like after 6 months of breaking in and in different cabinets? I have heard 70/80s breakup at lower volume with age. The Greenbacks sound great out of the box though, These all have different performance curves.
The Seventy 80 speaker really sounds fizzy in your recording, but is a speaker I love in my really warm sounding Valve 70's Traynor. My amp needs brightening up, and the amp now sounds fantastic especially on gain. The 70/80 has a nice bass response. This speaker was designed as a one speaker do it all for combo's all around the world. It's also known as the the G12p-80. It also comes in 2 magnet sizes (2.7kg and 3kg version) according to production runs. Your amp seemed to take to the g/backs imo. I had the originals in a 70's MArshall 4x12 B, and the whole thing sounded too bassy/muddy. Adding G12T75's brightened that cab up. Celestion to my knowledge have made very few 'bad' speakers (maybe the twin cone G12's in the 70/80's era), but today guitarists are spoilt for choice! The chinese ones these days are all high quality.
My personal favorite is the creamback. It absolutely owned on clean and had a very nice but distinct tone on crunch and lead. The greenback sounded really good cranked but it didn't have the bass response I'm looking for. The seventy-80 just sounded brittle.
The greenback got a lovely low-end frequencies. You can't hear it because the sound is compressed by youtube and the quality of record is not professional.
The greenbacks sound great but they’re really “spacey” so I could see them being suited to closed back cabs to break up some of that. Creambacks are probably the best overall, cleans, crunch, distortion all sound just right.
Thanks - great comparison! This confirmed my decision to get a DSL with the Creambacks. I like the Greenbacks best, but I'm getting a great deal - and I already have Greenbacks in another amp.
difficult to see where that 80 would work. The greenback excels in the heaviest of metal. The cream back is a relaxing balance that wouldn't do best for metal. I was quite impressed by the differences as I did not expect so much variation. cream back has a nice balance and seems to carry the sustain clearly across the mix. Now I am really fixed on seeing that white VOX 15 with a creamback resting like a faithful bulldog at the end of my leash.
I like the 80. It's very clear and would complement my amp with the mids on 6-8 and treble at 3-4, where I like the response, but the speakers I've used in the past have been too dark to support that setting without an EQ in the loop.
Just purchased a new Marshall DSL40C that came with the Creamback 65. At first I was not happy with it - very shrill and tin sounding with flabby bottom - but after a couple if hours it is beginning to break in. When I pushed the volume to around 3.5-4 it came roaring to life and sounded awesome. I was playing a Gibson Les Paul with 57 pups and a Jackson USA Soloist with Seymour Duncan JB, for context.
great video and nice playing . for me the creamback is my top choice here for versatility it sounded very good with all settings . for lead playing I would l pick the greenback for its extra top end clarity sizzle and break up for everything else I would go creamback . it's the fullest Thickest and most open sounding of the three speakers which makes it killer for rythum playing it also has far more low end than the other 2 and that became very apparent on the heavier parts especially the 7 string section . the greenback was a close second for me it was very open and had the most presence of the 3 which makes it the best of the 3 for lead playing and single notes and it had that classic greenback mid range compression . the creamback was very similar to the greenback it was just a bit more open and full with more low end and a bit less top end sparkle and breakup the creamback is considered by many to be just a classic rock speaker as it's basically a greemback that has more low end and higher power handling but the extra bass and low end tightness plus it's fuller more open sound make it great for heavy riffing and rythum . the 70 80 was very tinny and sharp sounding . it was very compressed and had a narrow range and sounded harsh overdriven.
I dont know guys but my les paul with a dimarzio superdistortion bridge pickup and a fully broke in70/80 in my dsl 40c sounds amazing especially cranked !
The thing is that this amp can add or subtract frequencies to compensate for highs that take your head off or speakers that lack bottom end etc. I'll bet the 70/80, which is too bright for me, could be sculpted to sound good tweaking the Presence, Treble and Resonance controls to taste. I think the Creamback is sweeter and the greenback is under powered. I'd like to hear a Vintage 30 for comparison. Thanks for the video!
Nice comparison, of speakers and sound difference. Creamback hands down, warmer and fatter both single coil and humbucker, clean and dirty channels. The 80 is way to thin, greenback OK.
Nice video man, appreciate the time and effort you put into it. Good video overall and can get a sense of how each sounds. There is something up with the recording though. I hear a weird high frequency noise that doesn't sound like the amp or speaker. Sounds like the recording, H4n or SM57, is clipping. Happens mostly on the 70/80 and G12M but can hear it on the Creamback too but it's a lot less. Not sure if it is a clipping thing or eq. It's something like when you record audio/video at a concert with your phone and you get the high frequency noise from overloading the mic input. Did you check you weren't saturating the mic inputs?
Unfortunately, I don't have professional recording equipment. Now I have learned to better manage gain, microphones, eq etc. But I will remain a guitarist forever, I will never be a sound engineer 😉
Which speaker did you initially use to set your tone on the amp - clearly it wasn't the Seventy 80? I have five Seventy 80's (one in a Marshall DSL 40C like your test amp) and they sound MUCH better than the one in this demo; I also have some Greenbacks and they sound very good too BUT not at the same amp tone settings. These three speakers are so different that the amp tone settings need to be different too - but then the pure comparison idea doesn't work either. I like both shrimp and steak - boiled shrimp taste good but a boiled steak doesn't! Both are good but different and need to be treated differently.
The eq for all speakers was in flat. I don't have a professional devices for recording and I put the mic in a wrong position. The video want a give a idea of the difference between the speakers, I never pretend to reproduce the true sound.
I have been looking at the celestions freq curves.. I think the 70/80 brightness comes from an extra peak at ~ 1.7kHz which I don't see on the other celestion speakers. Also the other "greenback" type speakers drop of gradually after 4kHz while the 70/80 has a small peak at 5kHz which could give a little fizz with distortion. EL34 based amp especially with a preamp that is aggresive in the high mids benefits from a more smooky speaker like the 25W greenback. EL84/EL34 pentodes tend to have more 3rd odd harmonics compared to beam tube (6v6/6l6). I have an Laney LC50 amp with EL34 and the celestion 70/80 and my bandmate has a traynor ycv40 with the same speaker. The tubes amps are not so different in terms of topology. Clean channel is a plate driven fender type one, long tail phase inverter and a class AB push pull stage with negative feedback. My bias is around 61% on the EL34 tubes. His amp has 6l6GC tubes propbably with a cold bias. His amp has a much better built birch plywood cab with a bigger and tighter bass than my Laney but the fairly cold biased 6l6GC tubes are also very strong and tight in the bass. But the midrange is also different.. It seems like his amp jives better with the 70/80 than my amp (EL34 tubes has often a high mids focus and 6L6GC more a lower mid focus. Here is a comparison between two fairly similar amps but one with EL84 tubes (pentodes) the other with 6v6 tubes (beam tetrodes) ruclips.net/video/sifDOnBqCAg/видео.html
Nice video, thanks. I like the 70/80, been using them for years in all my cabs (212, 112, and 412) all 70/80. Very versatile, not sure why people hates these
The creamback is by far the best option here. The greenback sounds too brittle and the seventy 80 just sounds like shit. Nice choice on the Custom 5 in the bridge, it's easily one of my favorite bridge humbuckers.
I just bought a Monoprice 15 and was researching for the very same reason. Not at all familiar w the 70/80. Of course doesn’t sound bad at all with the amp, which likely has been tuned around that speaker, but always have to wonder if an upgrade will make it that much better. After hearing this clip, I’m going for the Greenback. Also the G12H Anniversary sounds great in just about anything and will try as well. Thank you Zaloral for your comparisons! Very helpful.
Greenbacks for me. Yes the seventy 80 speakers are new and not broken in, but even the greenbacks I had sounded great new. I have the origin 2x12 cab today. I was replacing the speakers with 30 watt g12h celestians anyway. Plugging the sv20h I got today with the schaffer booster into my 4x12 with greenbacks was amazing sound.
Just one thing, the image in the video shows Creamback 75, not 65. I think the 75 has the heavy magnet and sounds a bit different from the 65. Great comparison though, as I am shopping for these speakers at the moment.
I tried 4 Celestions and 3 Eminence speakers through Marshalls and Evh amps, and my fav. was the 70/80. G12m flubbs out unless use 4 or very low volume, v30 sounded spikey and harsh, g12h sounded generic and bad solid statish. 70/80 had mids of greenback with power and upper mids of v30.
I have the same amp and I swapped the 70/80 for the creamback, the sound is way better. I thought the sound was really good till I actually did this c19 cap mod (reversible) then I was totally blown away. It also helped eq the balance between the clean and ultra gain. IMO the amp now on par with fender (super or twin) and marshall 2000's or even orange rockerverbs. try you will not be disappointed.
Hmm- the 70/80 in my amp sounds tons better than the one in this demo. Its crystal clear and has a nice full, bottom end to it. This one sounds all scratchy and fizzy. I'm glad mine doesn't sound like that. I'm fixing to upgrade mine to the Cream back 75 heavy magnet- my amp is going to weigh a ton, but it's going to sound amazing. 169 bucks new- I'm probably going to buy used- they're already broken in.
Thanks Much To Zaloral For Your Time And Effort, For The Rest Of The Bitches And Complainers ,Speaker Preference Is Subjective. Everybody Will Prefer X Over Y Over Z And So On, I Split The Difference And Picked My Favorite 2 And Put One Each In Their Own Cabs And Play Them Together, Result....Great Kick Ass Celestion Sound!
Excellent demo ! I hate the CL80 except with heavy saturation, where he's bassy and modern. I prefere the V30 (here close to the G12h) to the greenback all the time. With heavy saturation the greenback is interesting also.
I actually think the Seventy-80's would go well paired with the Creamback 65's in a 4X12 for a distorted high gain/modern metal tone judging from this comparison. I'm considering loading a cab with the Creambacks and V30's myself. Good demo!
Thanks for the review. My 17 year old son has a Marshall DSL40C with the Seventy/80, it is very bright, but accurate. I have a Celestion G12 Vintage 30 coming for a surprise . I will post up how he likes it. After Xmas.
Those throaty mids of the greenback and loose bass screams for it to be in sealed cab,, Playing loud at volume the celestion creamback 65 in that particular amp would work best.. The DSL40C comes with a bright cap which I think some mod to clip out and the 70/80 becomes much more tolerable. I have a dark and warm sounding DV mark micro 50 solid state amp,, And the 70/80 works nice with this amp.. A very smooth GB128 eminence speaker I have is a bit too subdued in the high mids to work well with the DV mark amp...
The 70/80 was very bright, and did not settle down during a break in of 6 months. I bought a G12 Vintage 30, 60 watt speaker and right out the box on Xmas day it was night and day better than the 70/80. I has been in that amp for 6 months, so is now well broken in and sounds great across the range. It has the tangy highs but also covers the mid and the lows much better that the 70/80. We have a Strat and 2 LP's and they all sound fantastic thru this. I also have a 72 non-master volume Super Reverb that is 45 watts and insanely loud but clean all the way up and all the guitars sound great thru that too. The Marshalls great points are the 4 channel sounds, switchable from clean to dirty thru 2 channels. I am not a fan of digital reverb, the Super is so much better with the spring/tube reverb but that's a story for another day. I think anyones standard DSL40 will benefit from any Celestion upgrade, but the $116 G12 Vintage 30, 60 watt that I bought sounds fantastic. We are happy and now nearly deaf !!!!
And the winner is.... totally subjective. It's all a matter of matching the right speaker for each amp. The seventy 80 gets a lot of negative reviews but I put one in an older Peavey and it's just right. Greenbacks sound great in a 4X12 but thin on their own. One person's "nice and warm" is another person's "too dark"
Really good comparison!..but is Creamback g12m 65 watt (like in the title of video) or g12h 75 watt (like in the photo)?..and wich of these 2 model of Celestion Creamback is better on dsl40c?
Is the 65 watt model. The dsl series got a lot of high frequencies (too much for my taste) and the overdrive channel became a mosquito... So i put the Creamback that adjust the eq. The 75 watt got a little more high end and is better for clean sounds, the 65 give a wonderful crunchy sound.
Creamback is the cleanest. But I almost would like to find 2 2x12 cabs. 1 w seventy 80s and 1 w greens. 2 channel eq (rack unit) w the 100 watt 🍊 pedal baby
This is an excellent demo, thanks. I think it would be best not to put the mic in the center of the speaker though, I think it's standard practice not to do that -- you get the really shrill highs. A little bit off center is ideal I think.
All these people moaning about mic placement, wrong creamback image, blah blah blah, etc, etc. This guy's generously using his time to record his findings and share them with the rest of us, which is VERY USEFUL. If the habitual whiner's, faultfinders, gripers can do better, then let's see what you've got, or better still... STOP F"(^&")G MOANING and watch something else, give the guy a break. Thank you Zaloral for posting this as I'm in the process of changing speakers.
lo5man well... thank you very much sir! I'm very honored.
lo5man, agree 100%
Zaloral, thanks for excellent video. I'll go to Greenback.
lo5man Absolutely! If your so deaf that you cant hear the clear difference's in this guys recordings and tell witch speaker comes closest to the direction you want to sonically travel then you should probably stop playing guitar because your tone deaf!! Just saying. Great demo of each speaker dude! Your also showing that this is an incredible amp!! Props
Exactly! Be grateful for what he's offered or shut up and go play your crappy sounding guitar. Videos like this have helped me save thou$and$.
For real. It's march of the pedans in this comments section. Just saw a "If I made the video" comment, the poster's reply explaining what he did, then a reply to that with yet another "If I made the video" comment. Unbelievable.
Creamback was absolutely the best!!!
Excellent video , and everything I needed to hear to stay away from the Seventy 80. Redoubled respect for the Greenback and Creamback. Thanks for taking the time to make this!
Nicholas Didkovsky I thank you too for your opinion!
Excellent comparison Zaloral. Your test convinced me I have to replace my Seventy 80 for the Creamback. Thanks for your time and effort!
LHSTRATUSA60 It’s a pleasure. Thank you!
Six years later helped me realize the same thing
This is nicely produced, unbiased video - well done! Both the GBs and CBs sound good.
Thanks!!!! 😀
The seventy 80 sounds stuffy and shrill when new, but once you've broken it in, its bass opens up and it balances out nicely. I was speaker rolling with a Weber ceramic Blue Dog, a WGS ET65, and an Eminence RW&B- and opted to keep the stock speaker (a rebranded seventy 80) in my HRDx III.
I also have several (6) Seventy 80s in a couple of different cabs. Once they are broken in they lose a lot of the 'scratchy' tone that they have new, as their response softens and mellows in the presence region. They are actually pretty awesome speakers despite being the Celestion budget offering. All they really are really is a Classic Lead cone fitted to a cheap middle-weight magnet.
i got laney irt and g212 cab for trade. İ thought i would get rid of the cab immediately. They werent fancy speakers but 70 80s in laney sounded very good and actually i kept it.
i have the same amp, DSL40C. Bought it in 2016. I have what i need for my tone, guitars, JHS pedals, but no matter how much i tried to roll off the fizzyness and the harshness of the sound coming from the amp, I could not do it...because of the stock speaker. So after listening to a couple of reviews, this review actually made me order just now the Creamback G12M-65. Can't wait for it to come and install it and blast some tones out of that speaker...I mostly play with tones resembling of Satriani and Timmons and Lukather...so..this should do the job very well. Thanks for the review..5 years later it still helps a lot :) Cheers!!
Vlad Zubac I am very happy to have helped you! That's the reason I make videos. Bye!
Upgrading my BlackStar speakers now and was advised to try Creambacks. Great review, examples and recording. And playing!! Nice one. Chris
Thank you very much sir! It's a pleasure for me to be as helpful.
Excellent comparison. Thank you for posting this.
how can we be expected to hear the speakers fully when you have them pointed away from us?!?
Hahahahahaha
It's just a reference speaker duuuh
CTSWWIOSM (Chuckle to self while writing it on social media)
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Fantastic comparison done the right way. I have a DSL40C as well with the stock speaker and think it sounds pretty good once it breaks in. Many say it's trebly but I think it helps cut through the mix in a band or live situation. That Creamback sounds really good though and may have to give one a try.
Thank you sir! It's true, the Seventy 80 break the wall of sound, but I prefer the Greenback all the time. The Creamback is more dark but give a lovely and punchy tone.
I talked to a few and they just kept the stock in, there tone is great too. May try the cream next
Very different audio between seventy80/greenback than the other comparison you posted.
Thanks for sharing 😊.
I have always been a G12M kinda guy. Even preferred it over the V30. However that creamback is kickin ass. Sounds so good. Like a G12M but also with some of good qualities of a V30.
thanks so much for this comparison. I actually own all three of these speakers and just started making cabinets, because I can't afford 500 bucks for a 2x12, or even more for a 4x12. This comparison helped me a bunch but I'm still going to run it through my rigs, amps, and see what sounds best through a vox hw ac30 and a PRS 50 watt archon. Thanks again and great playing! Keep strumming brother.
Thomas Weikel I thank you too!!!
Great video, brilliant shoot out. very informative!
Thank you very much!
Great comparison! I'm replacing a 70/80, so including it is especially helpful to me. Thanks for sharing this.
...by the way, the people who are complaining are complete turds.
Frett3000 😂😂😂 I thank you too!!!
Creamback is the one .......
Yes sir
Can confirm.
Thanks! This is just the comparison that I needed! :-)
CARLOS GALVEZ MUSIC You welcome! 😉
Thanks! Great comparison! Three of my favourite speakers.
Cheers man!
Just got a DSL40 and used it at a gig over the weekend, playing classic rock. I like the amp, but I will definitely be switching out the seventy 80 for a greenback. I thought I'd be putting in a creamback, but this excellent shootout helped to inform me. I'll usually be running the amp in triode mode so that I can push the power tubes and still keep stage volume reasonable, so I don't think the reduced power handling of the greenback will be an issue. Thanks sooooo much for putting this together, great job.
You welcome! I'm very happy for this. Good rock!
Excellent video, Helped me decide!
I'm happy for this! Have a good time with your new speaker...😃
Like the greenback, nice bass response and nice all around tone.
All of them sound very good with different voicings. I have Celestion 70/80 in Harley Benton Tube 15 and it's perfect for this particular amp. I would like to have all of these speakers to get different sounds and vibes.
Great video! Incredibly helpful
colin trebilcock Thanks!
Omg this is the video I needed! Many Thanks!
Thanks to you! ☺️
This is a great demo coparasin of new speakers. I wonder what they would all sound like after 6 months of breaking in and in different cabinets? I have heard 70/80s breakup at lower volume with age. The Greenbacks sound great out of the box though, These all have different performance curves.
The Seventy 80 speaker really sounds fizzy in your recording, but is a speaker I love in my really warm sounding Valve 70's Traynor. My amp needs brightening up, and the amp now sounds fantastic especially on gain. The 70/80 has a nice bass response. This speaker was designed as a one speaker do it all for combo's all around the world. It's also known as the the G12p-80. It also comes in 2 magnet sizes (2.7kg and 3kg version) according to production runs.
Your amp seemed to take to the g/backs imo. I had the originals in a 70's MArshall 4x12 B, and the whole thing sounded too bassy/muddy. Adding G12T75's brightened that cab up.
Celestion to my knowledge have made very few 'bad' speakers (maybe the twin cone G12's in the 70/80's era), but today guitarists are spoilt for choice! The chinese ones these days are all high quality.
Thank you so much for posting this video!! so helpful! you rule : )
Coppulor I thank you too!
Good video, I appreciate your effort here!
Chris S. Thank you very much!!!
Great vid dude!
Nice comparison! Thanks!
My personal favorite is the creamback. It absolutely owned on clean and had a very nice but distinct tone on crunch and lead.
The greenback sounded really good cranked but it didn't have the bass response I'm looking for. The seventy-80 just sounded brittle.
The greenback got a lovely low-end frequencies. You can't hear it because the sound is compressed by youtube and the quality of record is not professional.
The greenbacks sound great but they’re really “spacey” so I could see them being suited to closed back cabs to break up some of that. Creambacks are probably the best overall, cleans, crunch, distortion all sound just right.
Excellent review! Tks!
Leandro Ruben Schwarz Júnior I thank you too!
Thanks - great comparison! This confirmed my decision to get a DSL with the Creambacks. I like the Greenbacks best, but I'm getting a great deal - and I already have Greenbacks in another amp.
Mike James great!
so do you prefer the greenbacks or creambaks?
Thanks for the upload
John B Thanks for watching!
difficult to see where that 80 would work. The greenback excels in the heaviest of metal. The cream back is a relaxing balance that wouldn't do best for metal. I was quite impressed by the differences as I did not expect so much variation. cream back has a nice balance and seems to carry the sustain clearly across the mix. Now I am really fixed on seeing that white VOX 15 with a creamback resting like a faithful bulldog at the end of my leash.
I like the 80. It's very clear and would complement my amp with the mids on 6-8 and treble at 3-4, where I like the response, but the speakers I've used in the past have been too dark to support that setting without an EQ in the loop.
Just purchased a new Marshall DSL40C that came with the Creamback 65. At first I was not happy with it - very shrill and tin sounding with flabby bottom - but after a couple if hours it is beginning to break in. When I pushed the volume to around 3.5-4 it came roaring to life and sounded awesome. I was playing a Gibson Les Paul with 57 pups and a Jackson USA Soloist with Seymour Duncan JB, for context.
Yeah, with a little patience you can found many good tones from that amp.
With the Greenback is my favourite combo.
You got a very lovely guitars!
great video and nice playing . for me the creamback is my top choice here for versatility it sounded very good with all settings . for lead playing I would l pick the greenback for its extra top end clarity sizzle and break up for everything else I would go creamback . it's the fullest Thickest and most open sounding of the three speakers which makes it killer for rythum playing it also has far more low end than the other 2 and that became very apparent on the heavier parts especially the 7 string section . the greenback was a close second for me it was very open and had the most presence of the 3 which makes it the best of the 3 for lead playing and single notes and it had that classic greenback mid range compression . the creamback was very similar to the greenback it was just a bit more open and full with more low end and a bit less top end sparkle and breakup the creamback is considered by many to be just a classic rock speaker as it's basically a greemback that has more low end and higher power handling but the extra bass and low end tightness plus it's fuller more open sound make it great for heavy riffing and rythum . the 70 80 was very tinny and sharp sounding . it was very compressed and had a narrow range and sounded harsh overdriven.
I dont know guys but my les paul with a dimarzio superdistortion bridge pickup and a fully broke in70/80 in my dsl 40c sounds amazing especially cranked !
awesome video, thank you.
Thanks for watching!!!!
This video actually settled my decision on buying a Marshall DSL20CR that I found that has a 16 ohm G12H Creamback in it.
The thing is that this amp can add or subtract frequencies to compensate for highs that take your head off or speakers that lack bottom end etc. I'll bet the 70/80, which is too bright for me, could be sculpted to sound good tweaking the Presence, Treble and Resonance controls to taste. I think the Creamback is sweeter and the greenback is under powered. I'd like to hear a Vintage 30 for comparison. Thanks for the video!
The greenback sounds just amazing, love it. But doesnt it loose lots of volume with it in comparison to the seventy 80?
My son loves the G12 I bought him for Xmas. Video to come.
Nice comparison, of speakers and sound difference. Creamback hands down, warmer and fatter both single coil and humbucker, clean and dirty channels. The 80 is way to thin, greenback OK.
Wow, the CB65 is a major hero here.
Awesome video!!!
maaannn the G12H is just got that golden tone. super delicious midrange
Nice video man, appreciate the time and effort you put into it. Good video overall and can get a sense of how each sounds.
There is something up with the recording though. I hear a weird high frequency noise that doesn't sound like the amp or speaker. Sounds like the recording, H4n or SM57, is clipping. Happens mostly on the 70/80 and G12M but can hear it on the Creamback too but it's a lot less. Not sure if it is a clipping thing or eq. It's something like when you record audio/video at a concert with your phone and you get the high frequency noise from overloading the mic input. Did you check you weren't saturating the mic inputs?
Unfortunately, I don't have professional recording equipment. Now I have learned to better manage gain, microphones, eq etc. But I will remain a guitarist forever, I will never be a sound engineer 😉
Which speaker did you initially use to set your tone on the amp - clearly it wasn't the Seventy 80? I have five Seventy 80's (one in a Marshall DSL 40C like your test amp) and they sound MUCH better than the one in this demo; I also have some Greenbacks and they sound very good too BUT not at the same amp tone settings. These three speakers are so different that the amp tone settings need to be different too - but then the pure comparison idea doesn't work either. I like both shrimp and steak - boiled shrimp taste good but a boiled steak doesn't! Both are good but different and need to be treated differently.
The eq for all speakers was in flat. I don't have a professional devices for recording and I put the mic in a wrong position. The video want a give a idea of the difference between the speakers, I never pretend to reproduce the true sound.
In general, this amp doesn't sound very good with flat settings. IMHO - Plus the EQ setting normally need to be changed with the different channels.
Excellent comment. You said what I was thinking.
I'm looking for a naturally brighter speaker seems like the seventy 80 would fit that bill
All these years of eating steak and I wasn’t supposed to be boiling them?
I have been looking at the celestions freq curves.. I think the 70/80 brightness comes from an extra peak at ~ 1.7kHz which I don't see on the other celestion speakers. Also the other "greenback" type speakers drop of gradually after 4kHz while the 70/80 has a small peak at 5kHz which could give a little fizz with distortion.
EL34 based amp especially with a preamp that is aggresive in the high mids benefits from a more smooky speaker like the 25W greenback. EL84/EL34 pentodes tend to have more 3rd odd harmonics compared to beam tube (6v6/6l6).
I have an Laney LC50 amp with EL34 and the celestion 70/80 and my bandmate has a traynor ycv40 with the same speaker. The tubes amps are not so different in terms of topology. Clean channel is a plate driven fender type one, long tail phase inverter and a class AB push pull stage with negative feedback.
My bias is around 61% on the EL34 tubes. His amp has 6l6GC tubes propbably with a cold bias. His amp has a much better built birch plywood cab with a bigger and tighter bass than my Laney but the fairly cold biased 6l6GC tubes are also very strong and tight in the bass. But the midrange is also different.. It seems like his amp jives better with the 70/80 than my amp (EL34 tubes has often a high mids focus and 6L6GC more a lower mid focus.
Here is a comparison between two fairly similar amps but one with EL84 tubes (pentodes) the other with 6v6 tubes (beam tetrodes)
ruclips.net/video/sifDOnBqCAg/видео.html
And the green back has a notch around 1.7K . Good spotting.
Nice video, thanks. I like the 70/80, been using them for years in all my cabs (212, 112, and 412) all 70/80. Very versatile, not sure why people hates these
Its all so subjective-my ears prefer the greenbacks. Hate is a powerful word. The 70/80s sound very good.
The creamback is by far the best option here. The greenback sounds too brittle and the seventy 80 just sounds like shit. Nice choice on the Custom 5 in the bridge, it's easily one of my favorite bridge humbuckers.
Custom 5 is great, but I prefer the JB, is more strong.
Zaloral is the Creamback a 65 or 75? The picture indicates that it is a 75, but the video states that it is a 65.
Thanks
65
Zaloral Thanks, now I know which one to order.
thanks for a great vid, now I know how bad the 70/80 must sound in my new Monoprice 15 watt tube amp AND how bad I need to get a creamback
userboy6 You welcome!!
I agree in this comparison, but 70/80 sounds amazing vs the vintage 30.
I just bought a Monoprice 15 and was researching for the very same reason. Not at all familiar w the 70/80. Of course doesn’t sound bad at all with the amp, which likely has been tuned around that speaker, but always have to wonder if an upgrade will make it that much better. After hearing this clip, I’m going for the Greenback. Also the G12H Anniversary sounds great in just about anything and will try as well. Thank you Zaloral for your comparisons! Very helpful.
No bla bla bla. Straight to the point ! Excellent video.
Thank you! I hate the bla bla...
Love the stock seventy/80
Good demo. I'd like to see a similar test between vintage 30s, greenbacks and G12T-75w.
you never know...;-)
I wanna put greenback speakers in my 2x12 cab will it now be as loud as my seventy 80 speakers?
Greenbacks for me. Yes the seventy 80 speakers are new and not broken in, but even the greenbacks I had sounded great new. I have the origin 2x12 cab today. I was replacing the speakers with 30 watt g12h celestians anyway. Plugging the sv20h I got today with the schaffer booster into my 4x12 with greenbacks was amazing sound.
Just one thing, the image in the video shows Creamback 75, not 65. I think the 75 has the heavy magnet and sounds a bit different from the 65. Great comparison though, as I am shopping for these speakers at the moment.
Wow !!! They all sound really great !!! Honestly the 7080 sound closer to the old greenback tone to me !
I tried 4 Celestions and 3 Eminence speakers through Marshalls and Evh amps, and my fav. was the 70/80. G12m flubbs out unless use 4 or very low volume, v30 sounded spikey and harsh, g12h sounded generic and bad solid statish. 70/80 had mids of greenback with power and upper mids of v30.
Very helpful demo to see what they sound like with loads of treble.
People are commenting about the V30 below. Where was that in this demo?
I swapped the Greenback for a 75w Creamback in my AC15 & it's awesome!
I have the same amp and I swapped the 70/80 for the creamback, the sound is way better. I thought the sound was really good till I actually did this c19 cap mod (reversible) then I was totally blown away. It also helped eq the balance between the clean and ultra gain. IMO the amp now on par with fender (super or twin) and marshall 2000's or even orange rockerverbs. try you will not be disappointed.
I know that mod. It work!!! Unfortunately I'm not a amp-modder, so I decided to change the speaker, is much easier... ;-)
I love the green and creambacks. Damn
greenback all the way !
Creambacks are perfect for this setup until the end then greens
Hmm- the 70/80 in my amp sounds tons better than the one in this demo. Its crystal clear and has a nice full, bottom end to it. This one sounds all scratchy and fizzy. I'm glad mine doesn't sound like that. I'm fixing to upgrade mine to the Cream back 75 heavy magnet- my amp is going to weigh a ton, but it's going to sound amazing. 169 bucks new- I'm probably going to buy used- they're already broken in.
Thanks a lot! Creamback for me
Thanks Much To Zaloral For Your Time And Effort, For The Rest Of The Bitches And Complainers ,Speaker Preference Is Subjective. Everybody Will Prefer X Over Y Over Z And So On, I Split The Difference And Picked My Favorite 2 And Put One Each In Their Own Cabs And Play Them Together, Result....Great Kick Ass Celestion Sound!
dennis hurt thaaaanks!!!!!! The sound research has just begun!
I love the Greenback
Excellent demo ! I hate the CL80 except with heavy saturation, where he's bassy and modern. I prefere the V30 (here close to the G12h) to the greenback all the time. With heavy saturation the greenback is interesting also.
Thank you! It would take a head and 4 speakers for each sound ... 😜
Creamback, the less treble harshness of them all...clean and or driven!
I actually think the Seventy-80's would go well paired with the Creamback 65's in a 4X12 for a distorted high gain/modern metal tone judging from this comparison.
I'm considering loading a cab with the Creambacks and V30's myself.
Good demo!
Phillip Calvin You got a very good idea
Cream and V30 is what I'm craving as well. In a set of 2 X 12 s
Creamback is my winner!
Thanks for the review. My 17 year old son has a Marshall DSL40C with the Seventy/80, it is very bright, but accurate. I have a Celestion G12 Vintage 30 coming for a surprise . I will post up how he likes it. After Xmas.
How'd it go?
you're leaving us hangin bro
@@dissbelief83 Here is a video of it ruclips.net/video/0Zofqsf7sNY/видео.html !
@@var_guitar Here is a video! ruclips.net/video/0Zofqsf7sNY/видео.html
@@stephenhope7319 Thanks! What do you think? As far as I can tell, it sounds like it has a bit more bark in the midrange… not bad at all!
Those throaty mids of the greenback and loose bass screams for it to be in sealed cab,, Playing loud at volume the celestion creamback 65 in that particular amp would work best.. The DSL40C comes with a bright cap which I think some mod to clip out and the 70/80 becomes much more tolerable.
I have a dark and warm sounding DV mark micro 50 solid state amp,, And the 70/80 works nice with this amp.. A very smooth GB128 eminence speaker I have is a bit too subdued in the high mids to work well with the DV mark amp...
The 70/80 was very bright, and did not settle down during a break in of 6 months. I bought a G12 Vintage 30, 60 watt speaker and right out the box on Xmas day it was night and day better than the 70/80. I has been in that amp for 6 months, so is now well broken in and sounds great across the range. It has the tangy highs but also covers the mid and the lows much better that the 70/80. We have a Strat and 2 LP's and they all sound fantastic thru this. I also have a 72 non-master volume Super Reverb that is 45 watts and insanely loud but clean all the way up and all the guitars sound great thru that too. The Marshalls great points are the 4 channel sounds, switchable from clean to dirty thru 2 channels. I am not a fan of digital reverb, the Super is so much better with the spring/tube reverb but that's a story for another day. I think anyones standard DSL40 will benefit from any Celestion upgrade, but the $116 G12 Vintage 30, 60 watt that I bought sounds fantastic. We are happy and now nearly deaf !!!!
And the winner is.... totally subjective.
It's all a matter of matching the right speaker for each amp.
The seventy 80 gets a lot of negative reviews but I put one in an older Peavey and it's just right.
Greenbacks sound great in a 4X12 but thin on their own.
One person's "nice and warm" is another person's "too dark"
I got my creamback coming! going to replace my seventy 80 that's in my Blackstar HT 40
Good choice!!! 👍
Really good comparison!..but is Creamback g12m 65 watt (like in the title of video) or g12h 75 watt (like in the photo)?..and wich of these 2 model of Celestion Creamback is better on dsl40c?
Is the 65 watt model. The dsl series got a lot of high frequencies (too much for my taste) and the overdrive channel became a mosquito... So i put the Creamback that adjust the eq. The 75 watt got a little more high end and is better for clean sounds, the 65 give a wonderful crunchy sound.
This convinced me to upgrade my Seventy 80 to a Greenback.
Put the Creamback in my dsl and love the tone... good job! As you can see the Creamback gets rid of the fizz everyone complains about with this amp.
Yeah it's true! With creamback or greenback (my favourite) the dsl became a great amp!
Just to be 100% sure, the Creamback we are hearing is the G12M-65 and NOT the H12H-75 right?
iplayloud2 yes. Is the g12m-65
Creamback !! Does anyone know what is the 10" equivalent of the 12" creamback ? Thank you !!!!
DenX They’ve come out with a 10” Creamback now, so no need to find an equivalent anymore! 🤘
I think i'm going with the creamback.
settings identical across all 3 speakers? no other eq or gain added to any speaker?
Absolutley no. Same guitar, same amp, same eq, settings and nothing added.
my favorite was the creamback every time, nice demo!
Thank you very much!!!
Awesome test. Was it one speaker at a time in the cab or did you have more than one of each speaker?
No man, just one speaker at a time into the the Dsl 40c combo. Thanks for the appreciation!
70/80 is crispy and punchy ,, its really not bad if it was placed properly other than the center
Can you do a comparison between the creambacks (G12H-75 vs G12M-65)?
Adalberto Schuck Jr. If I found the g-12m 65 YES
How about G12T75 in Marshall DSL40C? Has anyone tried to put?
No unfortunately.
Creamback is the cleanest. But I almost would like to find 2 2x12 cabs. 1 w seventy 80s and 1 w greens. 2 channel eq (rack unit) w the 100 watt 🍊 pedal baby
Upon second listen a couple years later... Green and Creams for sure. 70/80s just a bit too harsh.
This is an excellent demo, thanks. I think it would be best not to put the mic in the center of the speaker though, I think it's standard practice not to do that -- you get the really shrill highs. A little bit off center is ideal I think.
Yeah man I know. Thanks!
Creamback no question