Ive been replacing a lot of speakers with seventy 80's. General consensus is, is that they are supposed to be cheap thus shit. But I love the sound and have recorded with them many times. Screw public opinion and use your ears. The seventy 80 is underrated and I use them a LOT. Kind of like a well kept secret from celestion
All Celestions sound different than each other, but one is not better or worse than the next. It's all about what kind of music you play, and the type/size/wood of the cabs makes a big difference. Also if it's front loaded, or rear loaded, it completely changes the tone, and response. Front mounted cabs will project sound across the room, while rear mounted is usually more muffled. You could buy speakers that are $300 each, and if paired with the wrong cab, could leave you disappointed.
Pretty sure Joe Bonamassa was/is using 70/80s in his touring rigs. He said they sound great, aren't expensive, and he can walk into a music store & get new ones anywhere around the world if he needs to.
@@1peanutthat's because the 16 ohm rating is the impedance rating of that speaker. Not the resistance, which is what you're reading with an ohmmeter/DMM. Impedance is measured differently than resistance. Impedance is voltage divided by current at a specific frequency. Compare that to DC resistance, which is just a single ohm measurement taken with zero frequency. It's equation is Resistance = length / (conductivity x cross sectional area). Notice they don't care about voltage, current, or frequency. The 16 ohm rating is an antirely different specification than what you measured. You only checked DC Resistance.
I replaced the 70/80 with a V30 in my dsl40 and the improvement was noticable. I was finally able to use the neck and mid pick ups on my strat and LP. They had always sounded dull and wooly before. Now the tone is rich and deep.
I bought a hot rod deluxe with a 70/80, fully intending on replacing it, but it won me over after the break in period. I have other amps with v30's, G-12H 30's and a G-12K 100. The 70/80 sounds incredible and the hot rod is actually my main gigging amp now. Don't let the price fool you, the 70/80 will absolutely compete with the higher dollar speakers and sound better than a lot of them.
I tottaly agree with you! I have a Marshall Origin 2x12 cab with seventy 80, I bout 2 V30's and replaced them, after some days using it I replaced one of the V30's back to original seventy 80, now the sound is amazing, the mix of bought it perfect! I was thinking on investing more money in a creamback, but I don't see a reason for it!
70/80 for me too, tried out V30 and greenback in my speaker cabinet as well. 70/80 won. specially when you play in a coverband like me, the sound in general of the 70/80 is best. most allround !! and it stays bright and powerfull. but thats my tatste off course :)
And you would be right...they don't sound this good in real situations or people would love them...It has nothing to do with price point people don't care about that but they do care about what sounds good...
Thanks for the comparison. The Seventy 80 speaker is good. I have one on my Marshall DSL 20CR, but the Vintage V30 sounds clearer and brighter, the notes don't mess up that much. In addition, he has more midfielders, perfect for those who like Slash. I will do an upgrade.
I didn't like either to be honest and have never understood the fascination with V30s, they're very shrill sounding. I used to have a G12H 70th anniversary which was ok until I bought a G12H Heritage Greenback with a 55Hz cone and for my tastes it's the best speaker I've ever used and I'm not going to mess around with swapping them around anymore, I'm happy with what I've got. 👍
Great vid. Was going to invest in V30s, but found a 4x12 cab on Craigslist with the 70/80s for only $100 😳. Going to buy the cab tomorrow based on this vid👍👍👍
Seventy-80s = throw in an amp that is on the mid heavy/bass heavy side to balance the tone out V30s = throw in an amp that is scooped sounding, like a Fender amp. Really brings the mids forward, and gives the sound more "punch"
I def agree with what you have stated. I just picked up a really clean Randall T2 Hybrid with a Randall 4x12 loaded with the 70/80 and the combination sounds great....
Nice vid. These speaker demos are cool and all but people watching need to remember that microphones and microphone placement make huge differences in what you're hearing. The only way to truly judge a speaker is to hear it in person. Also, the room you're in matters too. I had a Blackstar HT 60 with 70/80s and I HATED it in a main rehearsal space it stayed in. Then I moved it down the hall to another room, where it sounded amazing. Its crazy. Oh and one more thing - amp voicing is another factor. Some speakers seem to sound best with a particular amp voice (i.e. Marshall Plexis and Greenbacks, etc) There's just too many parameters, I think at the end of the day all good quality speakers can get the job done if you can dial in your sound right.
Assuming everything else being equal, what difference does the room make if the mic is place half-an-inch from the speaker? Not looking to start a fight. Genuinely curious #n00bWanting2Learn
@@larsdahl6594 The room will add through reflections it's own unique character, although not as much as everybody wan'ts to make you believe - unless you are playing in a room made out of mirrors, that is. ;-) The positioning of the microphone will have a far higher impact on the tonal characteristics.
I feel the seventy 80’s are underrated. Blackstar puts them in their cabs and I believe its because they are very versatile speakers. Compared to the vintage 30s. I think they sound way better I think if you dial back a little of the mids you’ll have a way more clear sound and still bot have that harshness of the vintage 30’s. I think the bigger problem is people just buy speakers because everybody says they’re good. They don’t use their ears to hear the difference. Every speaker is going to be different depending on what type of music you wanna play. Thanks for this!
Quite a few years ago I was lucky to get to hear 3 4x12" cabinets that were set up with a switch arrangement so we could quickly swap between cabinets and the amp. The speakers were all UK made versions (no Chinese back then!) and 1 had Vintage 30s, 1 had G12M Greenbacks and the third had G12H30 Anniversary Series. It was pretty close between the Greenback and the G12H30 and I put the G12H30 slightly ahead because it had a little more in the to give in the top end. I figured that I preferred the option to have all of the high end available from the amp but then I could EQ the amp to suit. The surprise with the Vintage 30 was that the top end cut off quite dramatically as if it had a filter on it or something. It dawned on me that this was a deliberate thing from Celestion as the high gain metal/hard rock player did not want the high end that could end up sounding fizzy with too much gain or treble EQ. Just my 2 cents worth and it was a long time ago so things may have changed.Cheers
i got a monoprice tube 15 that came with a 70/80 in it i found it harsh and to me dark , so i put a vintage alnico speaker in it , got another and did the same , put the 70/80's in a old multi effects amp and liked em in there , got bord one day and put the 70/80 back in one of the monoprice amps still dark but sounds much better now , not as harsh when it was new and not broken in , decided to leave it in there ...
The Seventy 80 gives less treble. It sounds muffled, as if it were further away. A little more sound pressure level is also perceived at V 30 . If you don't like the treble of the V 30, you can always lower it with the treble control. It’s easy and if you ever want treble, you already have it. I think the speakers should respond well to all the required frequencies. The personal sound of each is achieved with the equalizer and the gain controls.
@@ectoplasma5 The V30 speaker is also ceramic. Whether it is ceramic or not has nothing to do with it. Speakers with ceramic magnets can give a higher magnetic field and therefore greater performance (sensitivity). With the same magnetic characteristics, they have a slightly lower weight and price than alnico. There is no point in using alnico magnets just to put the "vintage" label on them. In the 70s, I worked as an engineer in a small speaker factory, in Barcelona. I experienced the change of some speaker models with alnico magnet to ceramic magnet. There was no advantage in continuing to make speakers with alnico magnets. In fact, the Seventy 80 is a low-priced speaker. The V30 has a much larger magnet, giving it 2dB more performance and better response in the 1.5kHz area. In Spain, a Seventy 80 costs €66 and a V30, €129. They cannot be compared because they belong to different price levels.
@@PatoJMA I know it is ceramic. Just wanted to exclude alnico speakers because they have a different magnet...but yeah i thought they had generally some more highs but softer frequencies. But what you said is Interesting,thanks.
@@ectoplasma5 The V30 is also a ceramic speaker. Whether it is ceramic or not has nothing to do with it. Speakers with ceramic magnets can give a higher magnetic field and therefore greater performance (sensitivity). With the same magnetic characteristics, they have a slightly lower weight and price than alnico. There is no point in using alnico magnets just to put the "vintage" label on them. In the 70s, I worked as an engineer in a small speaker factory. I experienced the change of some speaker models with alnico magnet to ceramic magnet. There was no advantage to continuing to make speakers with alnico magnets. In fact, the Seventy 80 is a more affordable speaker. The V30 has a much larger magnet, which gives it 2dB more performance and a better response in the 1.5 kHz area. In Spain, a Seventy 80 costs €66 and a V30, €129. They cannot be compared because they belong to different price levels.
I've been trying to tell guys, especially my Blackstar fam, that the seventy 80 sounds more well rounded. Atleast it does in the Club 40 MKII. More defining of notes. I guess it depends on your ear. I am a bit hard of hearing though lol. True.
The 70/80 is a very flat speaker, it sounds like a blanket covered G12H. Could be used in a bass cab. If you want a darker, more American sound, this speaker might do. The highs get pretty distorted at club volume and not in a good way. A bassy speaker with attenuated highs.
I didn’t have a problem at all with my 70/80 in my Blackstar . But yesterday I replaced it with the Celestion Vintage 30 and I could tell the difference with one thing . Th Reverb . I had to purchase a Wampler Reverb pedal to assist my HT40 . Not with the Vintage 30 . I was shocked to hear the difference . It was a whole lot more “ defined with the Vintage 30 . I liked the 70/80 but its two different birds of a feather ,, We are not talking Volkswagen to Cadillac, Its almost the difference between a Strat and a Les Paul .. two great guitars , same as the Speakers ,, but I am going forward with the Vintage 30 . I have to get that break in period going now .. Cant wait to gig with it this weekend
Playing some gainy rock with the Blackstar, I suggest you try a greenback G12M25 instead of the V30 for even more definition. G12H for '50ies era, V30 for '60ies, greenback for '70ies, G12T for '90ies. 7080 is a cheap very limited speaker.
Have a Line 6 cab w 70/80s- they sound good. I took a Marshall AVT cab, replaced 2 of the avt412 speakers (dog crap) w V30s installed diagonally- MAJOR difference, that cab sounds amazing now. Want to replace one of the remaining AVT412 speakers w a greenback- any other recommendations ?
here after I just bought a handbuilt solid state tweed amp for $100. Opened it up and there's a Seventy 80 in there.. Really digging the sound I'm getting with it!!
thank you for a proper AB video. well done, i forgot i was listened to a comparison the songs were well played. :D the 7080 sounds like "its in a big room" or rings a it more, like it sounds like its being played in a hall . the V30 is softer sounds like being a sound proof room.
I don't know which i prefer? One thing is certain.The amount of downloads from your hit song on Spotify will be identical regardless the speaker.We change speakers to appease ourselves. Our listeners generally can't tell the difference.
70-80s get so much hate because electric guitarists and/or plain no knowledgeable listeners tend to hate hair=airy highs, that fizz when distortion is used. They are nice, bright speakers, with a lot of high highs. For blues and older genres, and a lot of cleans, 70-80s have the proper twang. Bright yet balanced. V30s have unscooped 1,5 kHz honkiness. Some like that, some don't.
I hear a lot about how speakers sound but its how they make you feel that will inspire you to greater things. The Honda Firebade was faster than my Ducati but I would never swap it because the feedback was there in the Duke. Sometimes perfect equals boring . I hope you get my point. Keep fun the objective.
Who decides which is the best sound or which is worse? I think they are just different sounds and since we are used to seeing our idols playing with those teams, we only want to copy them or sound the same as them, in the end everything is business. Let's say I have on my Pedalboard 4-5 basic pedals let's say OD / Dist, delay, compressor and Eq. But my amp has a 70/80 celestion speaker, can I make the 70/80 sound like a V30 equalizing?
really? i can see your point i found it sounded more precise so it wounded cleaner and softer do be, but that might just be less "loud" and i see what you mean by brighter.
NEITHER of these two speakers would be my choice for an open back 1 x 12" cabinet or combo. Although you will find many of them in this application, if you do a little research on what these two were ORIGINALLY designed for you will find they were both voiced primarily for closed back 4 x 12 cabs. IMHO the G12-65, the Green Back, the Cream back or Eminance Wizzard, Swamp Thang etc. - are all better in an open back combo or single 1x12 cab... Or find a Katana 12" speaker on e-bay that someone has pulled out of their Boss Katana. For $40 they are hard to beat in a 1x12. Rock on! Thanks for the video!
the 70/80 sounds a bit muffled darker muddier tone but subtle that it almost does sound good..but yeah that muffledness.is that a word? muffledness. that muffled sound definetley wouldnt cut through the mix when needed...i had a nice muffled sound and it sounded really good. Until....
You got it dude. The casual listener hears "brittle". The seasoned player hears more cut, well defined highs and high mids, more sparkle, etc. Hearing damage pushes me towards MORE CUT please. I can do without the fizzy, fuzzy wuzzy ear tickler stuff.
I have a 7080 in my amp. Takes a lot of treble ,bass down no mids to get nice ringing clean tone. Maybe a cabinet with a vintage 30. See if I can ease back on the treble and get more mids. And with this set up. Guitars dont matter. humbuckers way dark without EQ. Tele and strat same. They still need more cow bell.
i´ve done the same comparison between a v30 and a 70/80. got my new cab wih v30 and didnt like the clean/crunch sounds..... so i installed a old 70/80 i got from my old Marshall DSL40 Combo..... where the 70/80 was the most horrible speaker you could imagine! but now with new amp, cab and compared to the v30 i have to say , that the 70/80 sounds better. the v30 is getting an advantage as more gainy the sound is....but overall i like the 70/80 more
Thats true.. i really like how 70/80 sounds on my marshall sl5, its not bad speaker at all! Check out my new video "Vintage 30 vs G12H 75 Creamback" :)
I have two 70/80 on my blackstar combo and I hate that combo because of those speakers. I even stop playing with that combo and use amp simulation software instead. I decide to change my 70/80 to other speakers after watching a youtube video on which the owner of blackstar combo changes rocket 50 to V30. To my ear, it's a big improvement. I'm planning to change my two 70/80 to V30 and Creamback 75. I'm not saying 70/80 a bad speaker. But, it definitely not my taste.
Rendy Andrian dude ...I couldn't agree w u more. I have 2 70/80s in my blackstar ht60...I absolutely hate the amp. I suspect it's those 7080s that ruin it. I really on like my DSLs and silver jubilee 2525...I didn't think it would be even worth my time to put some v30s or classic lead 80s in the blackstar. But after reading it reply, I just might.
In this comparison, the V30 is really good while the 7080 has no highs nor bass. I had a 7080 in a Ibanez TSA15 cab, thinking of selling the amp because of tone. I replace the 7080 with a G12h30, and now my TSA15 is a keeper! Jazz, country, blues, rock , hard rock, pop , anything sounds good, clean or dirty. I recently replaced G12T75 with V30 and G12M greenback in a Marshal 1960A cab 4x12, same improvement in tone quality, far wider spectrum of frequencies
That youtube guy did the best choice like i did later :) , i have owned a 2*12 with Rocket 50... awful midrange, runny bass and just powerless... Then i switch to V30, did a "break-in time", and that's it ! All you want from a good speaker is inside those V30.
The 70/80 is exactly the same as the G12P80 that is found in many budget 4x12s. This is confirmed by Celestion. And it's a good speaker for clean tones but it falls on its face when you kick in the overdrive. The proper answer is to buy a well made cheap 4x12 full of these, for not more than 200 dollars, ditch those speakers, and install your choice of Greenbacks, Creambacks, G12T75s, G12-65s, or whatever your favorite flavor of Celestion happens to be. I highly recommend seeking out the Hartke GH412 and GH412A cabinets. They're dirt cheap and yet they're made well with Baltic birch plywood construction just like Marshall 1960 cabinets, and are the same dimension as 1960 cabinets as well. And if you're really feeling frisky, you can recover them, replace the hardware and grille cloth, and make them into clones of Marshall cabinets.
Are you kidding !? The 7080 sounded like slash with that mid range bite and the wail of the neck pickup is on the 7080 but not there on the vintage 30.
I must disagree. The 70/80 completely ROCKED the bar I played last weekend. Tone for days and loud as shit. I have V30's, G12H, and a G12K-100 I could install and choose not to. The 70/80 doesn't miss a lick once it's broken in well. Give one a chance to break in and you'll be VERY surprised.
@@jeffreythompson3995 I have the blackstar ht 60 mk ii and it has the 70/80.i like the cleans but i am not convinced when the gain is on.something is misssing.i have the amp in my home and havent cranked it much.how much time and in what volume i have to use it so the speaker will break as you say?
Is it really worth the change from Celestion 70/80 to V30? Can't get the speaker tone to the other by equalizing it? Some say that the 70/80 is better for clean and others say that the V30 is better for the saturated channel, right? I am undecided whether to keep the 70/80 or change to V30🤔. I have a blackstar ht 40 club with the 34 celestion 70/80 and I like to have a fairly wide perimeter that is to say that I can play from decent clean to devastating saturations with good definition. Do you advise me to change the speaker to V30? I need the opinion of a professional, not a beginner, since the hearing of a person who is starting to play guitar is different from the one who has been doing it for some time.
I dont understand why so many show the difference between a 80€ and 125€ Speaker and a one "classic" and the other "vintage". For me it would be interesting to show the difference between same types of speakers like celestion v30, Warehouse Veteran, Jensen Vintage etc. For me the 70/80 sound is verry good for rock and punk, the v30 i would choose for high gain, metal etc. But the Warehouse Veteran i think are better as the celestion v30. Because they haven't the high midds, that i dont like. (sorry for bad english)
Both speakers are great. Its all in your settings. Also with an EQ pedal and the pick ups you use will make your sound more to your taste. Do not blame the speaker for not sounding how you heard it from someone else playing it. Bottom line, if you are picky, do not buy a cab that has speakers you will swap out. Just build a cab if thats the case. Same goes with cab material.
Also the room at gigs effects the speaker tone ,so much that slight differences in swapping speakers has hardly any effect, your better having a variety of rooms you can swap🤭
You'd choose one over the other for "live" application. In a studio senario, i could download this YT clip , split the sound samples into my DAW and EQ the 7080 to sound like the Vintage 30 and visa versa.
Le Seventy 80 est bon pour tout , j'ai retiré mon V30 que je ne supportait plus , et maintenant même mes pédales passent mieux , tout est devenu écoutable , le Seventy 80 n'est pas cher , c'est uniquement pour ça qu'il est mal considéré . Tout le monde trouvent mon son superbe .
Im in my cell phone, the 80s sounded less harsh than the 30s amd a tad bot brownish? I have a 2x12 with 30s and kinda getting tired of the harsh brittlw sound amd i play a Synergy Bogner Uberschall with emgs hi gain with a para eq alsp. Looking at the marshall 2x12s 70 80s.
For real, chords with a bit of drive are outstanding on the 70/80 but the clean tones on the vintage is way better, Clean tones is everything, I use a pedal board so I can tweak the drive how I want. Vintage all the way
My only complaint is that by itself the 70/80 sounds better, but within a band context this may not be a good thing. Those V30s might just be what the doctor ordered once you’re in a dense mix. What are we shooting for in these comparisons, best home tone or best band tone? Since you recorded these tracks in isolation, this only proves that the 70/80 is a better home tone speaker
@@guitarfighter Marshall’s at times can be icy picky, thin. The v30 complements this qualities and it works well for slash and metal guys, I am more into classic rock and I fell greenback smoothen out the tone and add thickness. Google Marshall and greenbacks and you will see
How broken in the speakers are really matters, as well as mic positioning. If the V30 is new, it's highs will still sweeten, and it's mids will darken. I'm guessing the 70/80 has thumped a lot more riffs out? Were both speakers new?
I own a HT-60, which contains two seventy 80 speakers. I was keen to modify those to Vintage 30 or greenback but this video has just stopped me doing stupid shits.
i have tested Vin 30,s for almost a year now and discovered that i like them better in an open cabinet. btw. i have a bit bigger collection of speakers and cabinets to compare with.
Sorry "public opinion" but the Vintage 30 is a NO GO for me! I bought a 70/80 cab and I tested Vintage 30, greenbacks and V-type live, at the guitar shop. I plan to buy someday a Creamback loaded cab, it complements well the 70/80 but definitely cannot substitute it! I might consider the Redback as well.
(Reposted from another comparison) Why would the Seventy 80 (was originally called G12P-80) have been around for 25+ yrs, still going strong, and why would so many amp and cab manufacturers use a Seventy 80 if it was not a very solid speaker? Traynor, Blackstar, Marshall, Line 6, Hartke, Laney, Peavey, Ibanez, Ampeg, Acoustic, Fender, Randall, Orange, Rivera, and the list goes on and on. Why would they risk their reputation on a crappy speaker? A blend of value and quality as in any business, but the evidence of the value and quality of the Seventy 80 is clear, at least to me and many others. Haters (and Karens) gotta hate.... YMMV. ✌🖖🤘👊👍🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥🧯🧯🧯😋🤪🙂🙃😁😎😎😎
70/80 isn't even near the V30. Hear them in real life, not trough a small speaker on your computer. I swapped a seventy-Eighty to a V30 in a Marshall DSL15c. A WORLD of difference (And also weight hahaha). Much fuller, more articulation.. Way- better..! Done a little tube mod. to that combo too. Now it became a very nice and loveable little beast .!
I really don't like 7080. I tried it with two amps and it was a no go. The overdrive tones in the latter half of this video are a decent representation of it. V30 or v type sound much better
v30 all the way with distortion the 70 80 sounded muddy and muffled . with the 70 80 its like someone threw a blanket over the amp . the v30 has that bark and crunch that comes with speakers that have a heavier magnet . recently switched from vintage 30s to creamback m 65s and while I absolutely love the creambacks I find them just a little too smooth and I miss the mid range bark and crunch of the v30 so I am going to mix one creamback 65 with one vintage 30 to get some bark and bite back . should be a perfect pairing .
Would the V30 work well in a low wattage valve amp? I have a copy of a fender 5F2 with a switch to remote 12" cab. She breaks up pretty good at practice volumes.
Jerome, I run a 5 watt tube amp through a v30, and it works very nice! You do get hear more characteristics of the speaker, if you give it a little kick in volume. My V30 did sound harsh in new condition, but it's starting to sound better the more I play.
I actually like the 70/80 a lot when paired with a v30. The cheaper speaker seems to expand the highs and lows of a v30 for a more expansive sound. On it's own, a 70/80 is just okay. My pick for "best supporting actor" award. But not a leading man.
it was better with more trebles with the vintage 30 for me so i don't know why you changed the speaker the v 30 is a very famous speaker in the whole world maybe the best one ! i have one and this amp but i don't really like the sound of the amp because for a high gain it's very bad amp and for the blues too (lack of trebles and bluesy funky natural tone vs a Laney) and for a good sound the sound must be very loud so the alternative for it to sound good is a tube preamp pedal and after that it sounds correct
To me...seventy/80 remind me of K100..like it's a little bit brigther version of K100. And we know that V30 and K100 are a good pair for metal in 2x12. Diezel cabs use this combo very offten in their cabs.
so the stock speaker sounds better lol i was disappointed with this amp a LAney sound better for the clean tones and the bluesy -rock tone a mini jubilee combo should sound better
I always feel weird about listening to speakers through other speakers and trying to determine which speaker is superior.
Its weird to think about, but guitar speakers are more of an instrument themselves than hifi speakers, they're meant to colour the sound.
Always better to hear these in person
@@irvan36mm yes
Anything had its place.
Use a set of air pods with the spatial audio…
Ive been replacing a lot of speakers with seventy 80's. General consensus is, is that they are supposed to be cheap thus shit. But I love the sound and have recorded with them many times. Screw public opinion and use your ears. The seventy 80 is underrated and I use them a LOT. Kind of like a well kept secret from celestion
Hi all. What is the ohms test reading on your Seventy 80s ? mine is rated at 16 ohms and tested at 11.3 Ohms. anyone else have this issue ?
thats normal, if you test an 8 ohm it'll read 6..11 or there abouts.
All Celestions sound different than each other, but one is not better or worse than the next. It's all about what kind of music you play, and the type/size/wood of the cabs makes a big difference. Also if it's front loaded, or rear loaded, it completely changes the tone, and response. Front mounted cabs will project sound across the room, while rear mounted is usually more muffled. You could buy speakers that are $300 each, and if paired with the wrong cab, could leave you disappointed.
Pretty sure Joe Bonamassa was/is using 70/80s in his touring rigs. He said they sound great, aren't expensive, and he can walk into a music store & get new ones anywhere around the world if he needs to.
@@1peanutthat's because the 16 ohm rating is the impedance rating of that speaker. Not the resistance, which is what you're reading with an ohmmeter/DMM. Impedance is measured differently than resistance. Impedance is voltage divided by current at a specific frequency. Compare that to DC resistance, which is just a single ohm measurement taken with zero frequency. It's equation is Resistance = length / (conductivity x cross sectional area).
Notice they don't care about voltage, current, or frequency. The 16 ohm rating is an antirely different specification than what you measured. You only checked DC Resistance.
My 7080 speakers are 20 years old. If you have one give it a chance. They definitely change as they get broken in.
70/80’s until the distortion kicks in…
I replaced the 70/80 with a V30 in my dsl40 and the improvement was noticable. I was finally able to use the neck and mid pick ups on my strat and LP. They had always sounded dull and wooly before. Now the tone is rich and deep.
seventy 80 much more pleasant to my ears
Nice. Had the V30 and didn't like the highs: harsh sounding. I like the Seventy80 in this vid more, darker / rounder sound.
Thanks for posting this comparison. Makes me confident I put my money on the Seventy 80!
I bought a hot rod deluxe with a 70/80, fully intending on replacing it, but it won me over after the break in period. I have other amps with v30's, G-12H 30's and a G-12K 100. The 70/80 sounds incredible and the hot rod is actually my main gigging amp now. Don't let the price fool you, the 70/80 will absolutely compete with the higher dollar speakers and sound better than a lot of them.
I tottaly agree with you! I have a Marshall Origin 2x12 cab with seventy 80, I bout 2 V30's and replaced them, after some days using it I replaced one of the V30's back to original seventy 80, now the sound is amazing, the mix of bought it perfect! I was thinking on investing more money in a creamback, but I don't see a reason for it!
70/80 for me too, tried out V30 and greenback in my speaker cabinet as well. 70/80 won. specially when you play in a coverband like me, the sound in general of the 70/80 is best. most allround !! and it stays bright and powerfull. but thats my tatste off course :)
i am surprised with the 70/80. it sounded pretty well
And you would be right...they don't sound this good in real situations or people would love them...It has nothing to do with price point people don't care about that but they do care about what sounds good...
They don't suck dude, and you save a few bucks with an incredible speaker.
7080 sounded closer to Slash than the V30 did here !
Thanks for the comparison. The Seventy 80 speaker is good. I have one on my Marshall DSL 20CR, but the Vintage V30 sounds clearer and brighter, the notes don't mess up that much. In addition, he has more midfielders, perfect for those who like Slash. I will do an upgrade.
Hi all. What is the ohms test reading on your Seventy 80s ? mine is rated at 16 ohms and tested at 11.3 Ohms. anyone else have this issue ?
*CLEAN*
Vintage 30 0:15
70/80. 0:48
Vintage 30 1:22
70/80 1:41
*DRIVE*
Vintage 30 2:03
70/80. 2:30
Vintage 30 2:57
70/80 3:17
Thanks
Seventy 80 is the first good speaker I bought, and got really surprised. Looking forward for a Jensen to compare it myself
I didn't like either to be honest and have never understood the fascination with V30s, they're very shrill sounding. I used to have a G12H 70th anniversary which was ok until I bought a G12H Heritage Greenback with a 55Hz cone and for my tastes it's the best speaker I've ever used and I'm not going to mess around with swapping them around anymore, I'm happy with what I've got. 👍
Great vid. Was going to invest in V30s, but found a 4x12 cab on Craigslist with the 70/80s for only $100 😳. Going to buy the cab tomorrow based on this vid👍👍👍
Love my 7080s
Seventy-80s = throw in an amp that is on the mid heavy/bass heavy side to balance the tone out
V30s = throw in an amp that is scooped sounding, like a Fender amp. Really brings the mids forward, and gives the sound more "punch"
I def agree with what you have stated. I just picked up a really clean Randall T2 Hybrid with a Randall 4x12 loaded with the 70/80 and the combination sounds great....
I learnt some 20 years ago that 70/80. was better sounding that the most expensive Celestion speakers in tube amps at least.
i think the 70/80 is Deep at the Sound. i like this !
Nice vid. These speaker demos are cool and all but people watching need to remember that microphones and microphone placement make huge differences in what you're hearing. The only way to truly judge a speaker is to hear it in person. Also, the room you're in matters too. I had a Blackstar HT 60 with 70/80s and I HATED it in a main rehearsal space it stayed in. Then I moved it down the hall to another room, where it sounded amazing. Its crazy. Oh and one more thing - amp voicing is another factor. Some speakers seem to sound best with a particular amp voice (i.e. Marshall Plexis and Greenbacks, etc) There's just too many parameters, I think at the end of the day all good quality speakers can get the job done if you can dial in your sound right.
Assuming everything else being equal, what difference does the room make if the mic is place half-an-inch from the speaker? Not looking to start a fight. Genuinely curious #n00bWanting2Learn
@@larsdahl6594 it can it's why recording studios sound different from one another even when the amps are mic'ed
@@larsdahl6594 The room will add through reflections it's own unique character, although not as much as everybody wan'ts to make you believe - unless you are playing in a room made out of mirrors, that is. ;-)
The positioning of the microphone will have a far higher impact on the tonal characteristics.
I feel the seventy 80’s are underrated. Blackstar puts them in their cabs and I believe its because they are very versatile speakers. Compared to the vintage 30s. I think they sound way better I think if you dial back a little of the mids you’ll have a way more clear sound and still bot have that harshness of the vintage 30’s. I think the bigger problem is people just buy speakers because everybody says they’re good. They don’t use their ears to hear the difference. Every speaker is going to be different depending on what type of music you wanna play. Thanks for this!
The vintage 30 complimented the Slash riffs otherwise I preferred the 70/80 as it had more bottom end and a bit less mid forward
Quite a few years ago I was lucky to get to hear 3 4x12" cabinets that were set up with a switch arrangement so we could quickly swap between cabinets and the amp. The speakers were all UK made versions (no Chinese back then!) and 1 had Vintage 30s, 1 had G12M Greenbacks and the third had G12H30 Anniversary Series. It was pretty close between the Greenback and the G12H30 and I put the G12H30 slightly ahead because it had a little more in the to give in the top end. I figured that I preferred the option to have all of the high end available from the amp but then I could EQ the amp to suit. The surprise with the Vintage 30 was that the top end cut off quite dramatically as if it had a filter on it or something. It dawned on me that this was a deliberate thing from Celestion as the high gain metal/hard rock player did not want the high end that could end up sounding fizzy with too much gain or treble EQ. Just my 2 cents worth and it was a long time ago so things may have changed.Cheers
i got a monoprice tube 15 that came with a 70/80 in it i found it harsh and to me dark , so i put a vintage alnico speaker in it , got another and did the same , put the 70/80's in a old multi effects amp and liked em in there , got bord one day and put the 70/80 back in one of the monoprice amps still dark but sounds much better now , not as harsh when it was new and not broken in , decided to leave it in there ...
The Seventy 80 gives less treble. It sounds muffled, as if it were further away. A little more sound pressure level is also perceived at V 30 .
If you don't like the treble of the V 30, you can always lower it with the treble control. It’s easy and if you ever want treble, you already have it.
I think the speakers should respond well to all the required frequencies. The personal sound of each is achieved with the equalizer and the gain controls.
Most ceramic speakers sound muffled in direct comparison to the v30 i wpuld say.
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The V30 speaker is also ceramic. Whether it is ceramic or not has nothing to do with it. Speakers with ceramic magnets can give a higher magnetic field and therefore greater performance (sensitivity). With the same magnetic characteristics, they have a slightly lower weight and price than alnico. There is no point in using alnico magnets just to put the "vintage" label on them.
In the 70s, I worked as an engineer in a small speaker factory, in Barcelona. I experienced the change of some speaker models with alnico magnet to ceramic magnet. There was no advantage in continuing to make speakers with alnico magnets.
In fact, the Seventy 80 is a low-priced speaker. The V30 has a much larger magnet, giving it 2dB more performance and better response in the 1.5kHz area. In Spain, a Seventy 80 costs €66 and a V30, €129. They cannot be compared because they belong to different price levels.
@@PatoJMA I know it is ceramic. Just wanted to exclude alnico speakers because they have a different magnet...but yeah i thought they had generally some more highs but softer frequencies. But what you said is Interesting,thanks.
@@ectoplasma5
The V30 is also a ceramic speaker. Whether it is ceramic or not has nothing to do with it. Speakers with ceramic magnets can give a higher magnetic field and therefore greater performance (sensitivity). With the same magnetic characteristics, they have a slightly lower weight and price than alnico. There is no point in using alnico magnets just to put the "vintage" label on them.
In the 70s, I worked as an engineer in a small speaker factory. I experienced the change of some speaker models with alnico magnet to ceramic magnet. There was no advantage to continuing to make speakers with alnico magnets.
In fact, the Seventy 80 is a more affordable speaker. The V30 has a much larger magnet, which gives it 2dB more performance and a better response in the 1.5 kHz area. In Spain, a Seventy 80 costs €66 and a V30, €129. They cannot be compared because they belong to different price levels.
I've been trying to tell guys, especially my Blackstar fam, that the seventy 80 sounds more well rounded. Atleast it does in the Club 40 MKII. More defining of notes. I guess it depends on your ear. I am a bit hard of hearing though lol. True.
I just bought a greenback to replace the seventy80 in my ht40 mkii. It gets here next week so we'll see if it was worth it.
@@andrewsmith6898 how did this turn out?
The 70/80 is a very flat speaker, it sounds like a blanket covered G12H. Could be used in a bass cab. If you want a darker, more American sound, this speaker might do. The highs get pretty distorted at club volume and not in a good way. A bassy speaker with attenuated highs.
It is the most accurate definition I have heard about a speaker in a long time.
Hahaha. Is exactly what it seems
Very successful. Cheers
I didn’t have a problem at all with my 70/80 in my Blackstar . But yesterday I replaced it with the Celestion Vintage 30 and I could tell the difference with one thing . Th Reverb . I had to purchase a Wampler Reverb pedal to assist my HT40 . Not with the Vintage 30 . I was shocked to hear the difference . It was a whole lot more “ defined with the Vintage 30 . I liked the 70/80 but its two different birds of a feather ,, We are not talking Volkswagen to Cadillac, Its almost the difference between a Strat and a Les Paul .. two great guitars , same as the Speakers ,, but I am going forward with the Vintage 30 . I have to get that break in period going now .. Cant wait to gig with it this weekend
Playing some gainy rock with the Blackstar, I suggest you try a greenback G12M25 instead of the V30 for even more definition. G12H for '50ies era, V30 for '60ies, greenback for '70ies, G12T for '90ies. 7080 is a cheap very limited speaker.
Have a Line 6 cab w 70/80s- they sound good. I took a Marshall AVT cab, replaced 2 of the avt412 speakers (dog crap) w V30s installed diagonally- MAJOR difference, that cab sounds amazing now. Want to replace one of the remaining AVT412 speakers w a greenback- any other recommendations ?
Do it !!!!!!!!
Seventy 80 sounds like ROCK N ROLL!
here after I just bought a handbuilt solid state tweed amp for $100. Opened it up and there's a Seventy 80 in there.. Really digging the sound I'm getting with it!!
thank you for a proper AB video. well done, i forgot i was listened to a comparison the songs were well played. :D
the 7080 sounds like "its in a big room" or rings a it more, like it sounds like its being played in a hall . the V30 is softer sounds like being a sound proof room.
I don't know which i prefer?
One thing is certain.The amount of downloads from your hit song on Spotify will be identical regardless the speaker.We change speakers to appease ourselves. Our listeners generally can't tell the difference.
70-80s get so much hate because electric guitarists and/or plain no knowledgeable listeners tend to hate hair=airy highs, that fizz when distortion is used.
They are nice, bright speakers, with a lot of high highs.
For blues and older genres, and a lot of cleans, 70-80s have the proper twang.
Bright yet balanced.
V30s have unscooped 1,5 kHz honkiness.
Some like that, some don't.
When are you all going to learn a eq pedel in your fx loop is a must.
Why do you believe it's a must, Alan? ty
I hear a lot about how speakers sound but its how they make you feel that will inspire you to greater things. The Honda Firebade was faster than my Ducati but I would never swap it because the feedback was there in the Duke. Sometimes perfect equals boring . I hope you get my point. Keep fun the objective.
Who decides which is the best sound or which is worse? I think they are just different sounds and since we are used to seeing our idols playing with those teams, we only want to copy them or sound the same as them, in the end everything is business. Let's say I have on my Pedalboard 4-5 basic pedals let's say OD / Dist, delay, compressor and Eq. But my amp has a 70/80 celestion speaker, can I make the 70/80 sound like a V30 equalizing?
The V30's sound more brighter.
really? i can see your point i found it sounded more precise so it wounded cleaner and softer do be, but that might just be less "loud" and i see what you mean by brighter.
NEITHER of these two speakers would be my choice for an open back 1 x 12" cabinet or combo. Although you will find many of them in this application, if you do a little research on what these two were ORIGINALLY designed for you will find they were both voiced primarily for closed back 4 x 12 cabs.
IMHO the G12-65, the Green Back, the Cream back or Eminance Wizzard, Swamp Thang etc. - are all better in an open back combo or single 1x12 cab... Or find a Katana 12" speaker on e-bay that someone has pulled out of their Boss Katana. For $40 they are hard to beat in a 1x12. Rock on! Thanks for the video!
I have both speakers the vintage 30’s are ok but the seventy 80’s are my favourite.
V30 wins. You guys are forgetting that the extra bite is needed to cut thru the drums of a band.
Depends on what kind of band and if it is really a band ;)
the 70/80 sounds a bit muffled darker muddier tone but subtle that it almost does sound good..but yeah that muffledness.is that a word? muffledness. that muffled sound definetley wouldnt cut through the mix when needed...i had a nice muffled sound and it sounded really good. Until....
@@elliottnunez1057 yeah it's amazing how an isolated guitar track from a song is pure fizz and treble and then in person at home we all add bass to it
You got it dude.
The casual listener hears "brittle".
The seasoned player hears more cut, well defined highs and high mids, more sparkle, etc.
Hearing damage pushes me towards MORE CUT please.
I can do without the fizzy, fuzzy wuzzy ear tickler stuff.
The seventy 80 was mellower and sounded better to my ears.
I have a 7080 in my amp. Takes a lot of treble ,bass down no mids to get nice ringing clean tone. Maybe a cabinet with a vintage 30. See if I can ease back on the treble and get more mids. And with this set up. Guitars dont matter. humbuckers way dark without EQ. Tele and strat same. They still need more cow bell.
i´ve done the same comparison between a v30 and a 70/80. got my new cab wih v30 and didnt like the clean/crunch sounds..... so i installed a old 70/80 i got from my old Marshall DSL40 Combo..... where the 70/80 was the most horrible speaker you could imagine! but now with new amp, cab and compared to the v30 i have to say , that the 70/80 sounds better. the v30 is getting an advantage as more gainy the sound is....but overall i like the 70/80 more
Thats true.. i really like how 70/80 sounds on my marshall sl5, its not bad speaker at all! Check out my new video "Vintage 30 vs G12H 75 Creamback" :)
I have two 70/80 on my blackstar combo and I hate that combo because of those speakers. I even stop playing with that combo and use amp simulation software instead. I decide to change my 70/80 to other speakers after watching a youtube video on which the owner of blackstar combo changes rocket 50 to V30. To my ear, it's a big improvement. I'm planning to change my two 70/80 to V30 and Creamback 75.
I'm not saying 70/80 a bad speaker. But, it definitely not my taste.
Rendy Andrian dude ...I couldn't agree w u more. I have 2 70/80s in my blackstar ht60...I absolutely hate the amp. I suspect it's those 7080s that ruin it. I really on like my DSLs and silver jubilee 2525...I didn't think it would be even worth my time to put some v30s or classic lead 80s in the blackstar. But after reading it reply, I just might.
In this comparison, the V30 is really good while the 7080 has no highs nor bass. I had a 7080 in a Ibanez TSA15 cab, thinking of selling the amp because of tone. I replace the 7080 with a G12h30, and now my TSA15 is a keeper! Jazz, country, blues, rock , hard rock, pop , anything sounds good, clean or dirty. I recently replaced G12T75 with V30 and G12M greenback in a Marshal 1960A cab 4x12, same improvement in tone quality, far wider spectrum of frequencies
That youtube guy did the best choice like i did later :)
, i have owned a 2*12 with Rocket 50...
awful midrange, runny bass and just powerless...
Then i switch to V30, did a "break-in time", and that's it !
All you want from a good speaker is inside those V30.
Seventy 80 for sure. Vintage 30 too thin and harsh sounding just my two cents.
The 70/80 is exactly the same as the G12P80 that is found in many budget 4x12s. This is confirmed by Celestion. And it's a good speaker for clean tones but it falls on its face when you kick in the overdrive. The proper answer is to buy a well made cheap 4x12 full of these, for not more than 200 dollars, ditch those speakers, and install your choice of Greenbacks, Creambacks, G12T75s, G12-65s, or whatever your favorite flavor of Celestion happens to be.
I highly recommend seeking out the Hartke GH412 and GH412A cabinets. They're dirt cheap and yet they're made well with Baltic birch plywood construction just like Marshall 1960 cabinets, and are the same dimension as 1960 cabinets as well. And if you're really feeling frisky, you can recover them, replace the hardware and grille cloth, and make them into clones of Marshall cabinets.
Are you kidding !? The 7080 sounded like slash with that mid range bite and the wail of the neck pickup is on the 7080 but not there on the vintage 30.
@@auntjenifer7774 Considering that Slash has literally never used a 70/80, I think that's very unlikely.
I must disagree. The 70/80 completely ROCKED the bar I played last weekend. Tone for days and loud as shit. I have V30's, G12H, and a G12K-100 I could install and choose not to. The 70/80 doesn't miss a lick once it's broken in well. Give one a chance to break in and you'll be VERY surprised.
@@jeffreythompson3995 I have the blackstar ht 60 mk ii and it has the 70/80.i like the cleans but i am not convinced when the gain is on.something is misssing.i have the amp in my home and havent cranked it much.how much time and in what volume i have to use it so the speaker will break as you say?
Is it really worth the change from Celestion 70/80 to V30? Can't get the speaker tone to the other by equalizing it? Some say that the 70/80 is better for clean and others say that the V30 is better for the saturated channel, right? I am undecided whether to keep the 70/80 or change to V30🤔. I have a blackstar ht 40 club with the 34 celestion 70/80 and I like to have a fairly wide perimeter that is to say that I can play from decent clean to devastating saturations with good definition. Do you advise me to change the speaker to V30? I need the opinion of a professional, not a beginner, since the hearing of a person who is starting to play guitar is different from the one who has been doing it for some time.
Only you and yr ears can advise you. Listen to the comparisons. There's some really good ones done if you look/listen around.
For clean Seventy 80 wins.
For distortion V30 wins.
I dont understand why so many show the difference between a 80€ and 125€ Speaker and a one "classic" and the other "vintage". For me it would be interesting to show the difference between same types of speakers like celestion v30, Warehouse Veteran, Jensen Vintage etc.
For me the 70/80 sound is verry good for rock and punk, the v30 i would choose for high gain, metal etc. But the Warehouse Veteran i think are better as the celestion v30. Because they haven't the high midds, that i dont like. (sorry for bad english)
Both speakers are great.
Its all in your settings. Also with an EQ pedal and the pick ups you use will make your sound more to your taste. Do not blame the speaker for not sounding how you heard it from someone else playing it.
Bottom line, if you are picky, do not buy a cab that has speakers you will swap out. Just build a cab if thats the case. Same goes with cab material.
Always liked a 70/80 mixed with a V30 in a cab compliment each other well but personally find the 70/80 too dark alone
Great upload! I'd like to get a Blackstar Stage 60, comes with the stock 70/80 speakers, take out one and have a V30 + 70/80 combination
I've always heard how good Vintage 30's were but I think the Seventy - 80's sound so much better than the V - 30's.
Also the room at gigs effects the speaker tone ,so much that slight differences in swapping speakers has hardly any effect, your better having a variety of rooms you can swap🤭
You'd choose one over the other for "live" application.
In a studio senario, i could download this YT clip , split the sound samples into my DAW and EQ the 7080 to sound like the Vintage 30 and visa versa.
Awesome demo!! Very big difference in sound! 70/80 sound good, till you compare them vintage 30 🧐
Le Seventy 80 est bon pour tout , j'ai retiré mon V30 que je ne supportait plus , et maintenant même mes pédales passent mieux , tout est devenu écoutable , le Seventy 80 n'est pas cher , c'est uniquement pour ça qu'il est mal considéré . Tout le monde trouvent mon son superbe .
Oui beaucoup de tone snob aiment bien se prétendre expert.
Im in my cell phone, the 80s sounded less harsh than the 30s amd a tad bot brownish? I have a 2x12 with 30s and kinda getting tired of the harsh brittlw sound amd i play a Synergy Bogner Uberschall with emgs hi gain with a para eq alsp. Looking at the marshall 2x12s 70 80s.
thanks for posting, that was incredibly useful in the way you created your video.
Thanks for this, i am building a 2x12 with one of each in it!
For real, chords with a bit of drive are outstanding on the 70/80 but the clean tones on the vintage is way better,
Clean tones is everything, I use a pedal board so I can tweak the drive how I want.
Vintage all the way
My only complaint is that by itself the 70/80 sounds better, but within a band context this may not be a good thing. Those V30s might just be what the doctor ordered once you’re in a dense mix. What are we shooting for in these comparisons, best home tone or best band tone? Since you recorded these tracks in isolation, this only proves that the 70/80 is a better home tone speaker
Seventy80 have 'body' sound
I kinda like the 70/80 more... Which confirms my theory that greenbacks are the best speaker for DSL amps
Can you explain?
@@guitarfighter Marshall’s at times can be icy picky, thin. The v30 complements this qualities and it works well for slash and metal guys, I am more into classic rock and I fell greenback smoothen out the tone and add thickness. Google Marshall and greenbacks and you will see
GUNS N ROSES YEEEEEEEEAHHHH
I replaced a 70/80 with a T75, much, much better.
This amp has probably been optimized for the Vintage 30, so it sounds better with it. What pickups are you using on your guitar?
The V30 is designed to be loud and cut through the mix.. And few speakers can do it better.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
70/80 all day long over vintage 30
70/80 is closer to the GNR sound, well...as compared to the V30!
How broken in the speakers are really matters, as well as mic positioning. If the V30 is new, it's highs will still sweeten, and it's mids will darken. I'm guessing the 70/80 has thumped a lot more riffs out? Were both speakers new?
I own a HT-60, which contains two seventy 80 speakers. I was keen to modify those to Vintage 30 or greenback but this video has just stopped me doing stupid shits.
i have tested Vin 30,s for almost a year now and discovered that i like them better in an open cabinet. btw. i have a bit bigger collection of speakers and cabinets to compare with.
When the distortion is the intro of the song, who is it? What is the title?
"Night Train".. Guns n Roses.
Hi all. What is the ohms test reading on your Seventy 80s ? mine is rated at 16 ohms and tested at 11.3 Ohms. anyone else have this issue ?
Celestion Seventy 80 - GUNS N ROSES..
Sorry "public opinion" but the Vintage 30 is a NO GO for me! I bought a 70/80 cab and I tested Vintage 30, greenbacks and V-type live, at the guitar shop. I plan to buy someday a Creamback loaded cab, it complements well the 70/80 but definitely cannot substitute it! I might consider the Redback as well.
v30 has a lot of punching power but something about the 80 that feels really nice, maybe the lack of harness. These two would make a great combo.
70/80 is much better the V30 dirty sounded like a bunch of bees. I have a 412 of V30s and I find the same - very harsh, sharp top end.
Seventy80 sounds definitely more pleasant!👌🏽
i got both types. 7080 if more flat EQ. V30 has a mid/high boost
The best 70/80 is made in 🇬🇧
(Reposted from another comparison) Why would the Seventy 80 (was originally called G12P-80) have been around for 25+ yrs, still going strong, and why would so many amp and cab manufacturers use a Seventy 80 if it was not a very solid speaker? Traynor, Blackstar, Marshall, Line 6, Hartke, Laney, Peavey, Ibanez, Ampeg, Acoustic, Fender, Randall, Orange, Rivera, and the list goes on and on. Why would they risk their reputation on a crappy speaker? A blend of value and quality as in any business, but the evidence of the value and quality of the Seventy 80 is clear, at least to me and many others. Haters (and Karens) gotta hate.... YMMV. ✌🖖🤘👊👍🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥🧯🧯🧯😋🤪🙂🙃😁😎😎😎
is it possible to put two different speakers in the guitar cabinet?
Yes
2x12 with them would be interesting
Would be good to mix them in 2x12
70/80 isn't even near the V30.
Hear them in real life, not trough a small speaker on your computer.
I swapped a seventy-Eighty to a V30 in a Marshall DSL15c. A WORLD of difference (And also weight hahaha).
Much fuller, more articulation.. Way- better..!
Done a little tube mod. to that combo too. Now it became a very nice and loveable little beast .!
Yes, Seventy 80’s sound terrible with my small Marshall DSL head.
I prefer 7080...Moves sonically more in the direction of greenback than does a V30 which moves sonically in the opposite direction.
70/80 better in clean part but v30 better on drive or distorsion
I really don't like 7080. I tried it with two amps and it was a no go. The overdrive tones in the latter half of this video are a decent representation of it. V30 or v type sound much better
Vintage 30 for the win. The Seventy 80 has a weird frequency spike at about 800-900hz.
2:10 song?
v30 all the way with distortion the 70 80 sounded muddy and muffled . with the 70 80 its like someone threw a blanket over the amp . the v30 has that bark and crunch that comes with speakers that have a heavier magnet . recently switched from vintage 30s to creamback m 65s and while I absolutely love the creambacks I find them just a little too smooth and I miss the mid range bark and crunch of the v30 so I am going to mix one creamback 65 with one vintage 30 to get some bark and bite back . should be a perfect pairing .
Would the V30 work well in a low wattage valve amp? I have a copy of a fender 5F2 with a switch to remote 12" cab. She breaks up pretty good at practice volumes.
Jerome, I run a 5 watt tube amp through a v30, and it works very nice! You do get hear more characteristics of the speaker, if you give it a little kick in volume. My V30 did sound harsh in new condition, but it's starting to sound better the more I play.
70/80 sounded like wet blanket is not good. V30 sound nice is good.
I actually like the 70/80 a lot when paired with a v30. The cheaper speaker seems to expand the highs and lows of a v30 for a more expansive sound. On it's own, a 70/80 is just okay. My pick for "best supporting actor" award. But not a leading man.
it was better with more trebles with the vintage 30 for me so i don't know why you changed the speaker the v 30 is a very famous speaker in the whole world maybe the best one ! i have one and this amp but i don't really like the sound of the amp because for a high gain it's very bad amp and for the blues too (lack of trebles and bluesy funky natural tone vs a Laney) and for a good sound the sound must be very loud so the alternative for it to sound good is a tube preamp pedal and after that it sounds correct
The winner in this contest is the creamback
To me...seventy/80 remind me of K100..like it's a little bit brigther version of K100.
And we know that V30 and K100 are a good pair for metal in 2x12. Diezel cabs use this combo very offten in their cabs.
Show Gostei 🔱 V 30
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so the stock speaker sounds better lol
i was disappointed with this amp
a LAney sound better for the clean tones and the bluesy -rock tone
a mini jubilee combo should sound better