The Two Different Sounds of 1980s Marshall Amps! G12T-75 vs G12-65
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- In the 1980s Marshalls JCM800 line started out using G12-65 Celestions in the 1960 4x12 cabs. In the mid 1980s they changed to mostly G12T-75 though. These two speakers are very different but both classic in their own right. I compare them using a Marshall Superbass with a Gibson SG and a Squier Telecaster. This G12-65 is from 1983 and the G12T-75 is from 1990.
These speakers were essentially designed to deal with problems starting to crop up in the 70s and 80s: more gain was demanded and more was produced by diode clipping amps, amps, pedals, rack units, ceramic pickups, which meant some ugly harshness was coming through. The 65s have the wonderful trick of flattening out the harsh peaks and make cream, the 75s are great "live" speakers which saturate very well at high volumes, not so strong in the studio though with somewhat of a hole in the mids.
Still, this was the era where live rock was at its' peak and have these workhorses to thank for keeping it palatable and musical
I think you sum it up nicely! I like the 65's in Fender amps (where I do not want to bury the signature tone under midrange). The 75 is just a great general purpose rock driver. I really like them in open back cabs and combos too. They soften out a ton if you let them breathe and don't use them as a death ray through your 1960a. :))
Excellent comment!
@@cgavin1 excellent comment too
F0E SURE BUD, I THINK MARSHALL T00K N0TICE AS WELL WHEN RH0ADS HATED THE 25 WATT DIRTIER GREENBACKS AND CH0SE HIGH WATTAGE CLEANER ALTEC SPEAKERS. HE WAS USING THAT MXR DIST+ TH0UGH.
@@cgavin1 Oh, but I like the G12T-75 ''as a death ray'' in the Marshall 1960B (flat faced-bottom stack cab)...
Think: Children of Bodom ray of Melodic Death Metal...Granted he used to play a guitar with an inboard boost, but there were plenty of mids in his solos. :D
When talking Celestions it's funny how many people dismiss the gt12-75 outright yet in shootouts it pretty much always wins. If Marshall used a "cool" sticker or painted magnet like a greenback it would have become the holy grail "must have" speaker of the era.
I agree. This is a great speaker. Love the sound.
I’ve heard it said best results with the G12T-75 in a closed-back cab.
Old g12t-75s are cool but the new ones are really bad. They’re somehow really harsh but not present at the same time.
@@JBGoode-zx7ppthe 1966 with g12t-75s is one of the best sounding 2x12s out there...good luck finding one
How could Satriani and Malmsteen both be wrong? G12T-75’s are all they use - pushing at high volume of course.
Urban legend has it that the vented back G12T-75s were just the last iteration of the G12-65.
During mid to late '83 when Marshall transitioned from the G12-65 to the G12M-70, the reaction was so overwhelmingly negative that by '85, Marshall decided to go back to the last last known good speaker, the G12-65. Problem is that openly admitting that the G12M-70 was a stinker would be damaging to Celestion so the decision was made to upgrade the 65's voice coil former from fibreglass to Kapton, effectively raising the power handling to 75 watts and substantiating the new G12T-75 designation, thereby appeasing Marshall and their buyers and protecting the integrity of Celestion's reputation.
I’ve been researching these speakers for a few days, and I concur to your statements. It’d be a fun video comparing the 65, vented and invented 75 white label, then the back label, then the black stripe labels.
I have all 3 speakers (G12-65, 1st generation G12T-75, later 90s G12T-75) and I can vouch for the 1st gen G12T-75- it's almost identical to the G12-65, but with a slight smiley EQ on it. They are drastically different from the later G12T-75 with its massive mid scoop and pronounced treble and bass.
@@ryanjared Thank you for clarifying that because I was missing that obvious mid scoop that I'm used to hearing on G12T75's and that always made me identifying them blindly. I'm no fan of this sound. So it is interesting to hear that earlier G12T75's sounded a lot more "linear" in the mid range, which I like.
@@ryanjared I have an old 800 cab with Rola g12-80s and a 1960 cab with later model t75s. The Rola 80s are def my fave but the t75s have a certain charm too. I find it's mainly a matter of eq adjustment. If you boost the mids(via the amp, overdrive or eq pedal) it helps compensate for the t75s smile curve.
Using my Boss SD1 and Les Paul w/ Dirty Fingers pickups I get a killer, warm, round tone from the t75s. So you guys just send me all those nasty t75s you don't want and I'll kindly dispose of them for you. (What can I say... I'm a nice guy 😋)
The early vented 75's are G12-65's with a Kapton VC. Fane owned the patent to the fiberglass VC, Celestion could pay a royalty or stop using it.
Henceforth the Kapton VC was added to the cone of G12-65'S and the EARLY 75's with vented magnets sound virtually identical to G12-65's, but with a slightly tighter bottom... they're killer speakers if you can find them...vented magnet 75's are kinda rare.
They sound NOTHING like newer 75's
I love them both, and have played both. The G12T-75 gets extra credit for being so underrated and having that unique twang on the low strings, especially in a 4x12.
This. The modern T75 has such a great snap to it and the low end is defined instead of being somewhat soft like with so many other speakers, even modern voiced ones.
The 75 sounds a lil extra nice to me... But BOTH sound amazing! Thank you Johan**
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Thanks Jamie! :-)
As always, Johan creates a very informative comparison video. Owned many pieces of late 1980s gear with the G12T-75s on board. This video made me re-evaluate their relevance (without the spandex and hair spray). That said, after being schooled by your numerous speaker demos, I recently scored a pair of 1969 Pulsonic G12Ms of my own. They are simply amazing... and without your videos, I would never have known what I was missing. Your loyal fans appreciate you, sir!!!
I've owned a Mark IV Boogie for a long time, and couldn't really get along with it for the longest time. Turns out it sounds a million times more like what I wanted it to sound like with this old beat up JCM 800 cab I now have with the same model of T75 that's in this video. I think the more scooped nature of the T75 works brilliantly with the insane mid focus of the Mark Series. Classic rock tones, Thrash tones, and almost everything in between.
Thanks for the comparison Johan. I picked up a JCM900 cab last year with G12-75's in it. Great for 80's hard rock tones and reminds me of 80's AC/DC (in a good way), no matter which head I play through it.
One thing I appreciate about a marshall 4x12 with a full set of 75s is that it's a very predictable setup. I can plug into mine or yours or guitar centers or a crappy backline company, and know that my head is what needs the dialing in. When I need to buy an amp I'll meet someone at a GC and use a set of their 75s, and then when I get back home I know exactly what I'm getting.
May not work for everyone but it's worked perfect for me.
Well thats debatable because the old 75s sound so different than the new ones. The old vented or non vented ones from the mid eighties are my favorite speaker but i absolutely hate the modern 75s which make my amp become fizzy.
@@johnc1666 I agree, i was painting broad strokes, we can always get super specific but I was just speaking generally. My favorite are the early ones too. that's all I run. But, I still like new ones too. They aren't awful in my opinion, and I like I said they are a predictable sound. I use them as a testing base just because I know exactly how they as a speaker sound, so it let's me judge the amp for what it is, and not have it colored by something I'm less familiar with
All in all, early 75s rock socks
@@michaelsorenson3887 I should give the new ones another try to maybe see the similarities but last time I did it was sterile fizzland, it made my amp sound HORRIBLE, i even have g12-65 speakers and I dont like em as much as my old white label 75s with my soldano hot rod 50 amp.
@@johnc1666 yeah the 65s weren't my thing either. If you don't like the new ones, you won't be alone. I feel like they just require more to break in and the the "75" thing. But hey if no one likes them, more for me
@@michaelsorenson3887 yep, it might be the break in and the age, it's hard to know what celestion did to those speakers
That sweet 65 with all the deep mellow tone is killer...but the 75 got great vibe ...I'll take both ...great to see the SG ringing the tones
I like them both but my heart goes to the 65. Thanks Johan !
Thanks Théo!
The G12-65 sounds small in comparison. The T75 really opens the sound up. Great demo.
I love and have both speakers and they sound good with snare !
I use these blended in a 2x12. 80s T-75 and one of the reissue 65s. They compliment each other well recorded, 65 for high end crunch and definition without getting icepicky and the T-75 for that deep atmospheric midrange. Some say it sounds scooped, but it really isn't. It just has less of the "boxy" mid-mids. The T-75 is louder in the room but it still blends nicely.
I'd like to try this match since I have already a 65 from 81. BTW the T75 shouldn't be louder than the 65 since they have exact same sensitivity (97db).
With T75s the T number and the year often is quite crucial as these vary quite a lot. I believe there to be about 4 different versions, where the first ones were essentially G12-65s with a more capable VC former and thus sounds very much like those, yet with a more rounded, less mechanical sound to them - that's before the T received the K damper
I have a JCM800 B can that I bought new in 1983. I hated it until I started down-tuning my guitar. It’s not a Mesa Oversized Rectifier sounding cab but I like using the JCM800 with the Mesa. Yes, my JCM800 cab has the G12-65 speakers
These two sound remarkably close-I'm listening on good speakers. The 65s have a SLIGHT more present midrange, but it's negligible. I prefer modern T75s to be honest, because they really do well with modern amps that have a lot of low-mids..it helps clean them up and sharpen the focus. That quick transient while still having a healthy amount of deep low-end is also a huge plus
Both are good but I like the extra bite of the 75. Had one for years inside a valvstate and tried it with an Origin 20. In both cases I found the 75 more defined and the same now in your video with the Plexi. Thanks for sharing.
you're right, they both have their place, I own both in different cabs, I find the G12-65s are a bit tighter in the bass. Great demo like always and thank you!
Thanks Mark!
The sweeter mid range of the 65 was really super evident when you played the lead notes on the SG.
Thanks Tommy
I own a 65 from 81 but I must admit that I prefer the 75 here... Sounds a little bit more tight and crunchy yet darker.
Excellent as always Johan! Amazing how different a speaker can make an amp head sound. We need to start a petition for a little Marshall emoji! Have a great weekend and Keep it on 10! 🤘🏻🎸🔈- Kurt
Excellent video. They both sound good. Have used the 75s for many years. Great for pedals as they have such a wide range. They sound slightly brighter, but easily EQed I guess. Never understood why people always want to change them for Greenbacks.
This is literally the exact comparison I was looking for! You have a video for everything! You are appreciated - thank you for all you do!
Love your videos Johan.....as my friend says, you're "the boss" when it comes to this stuff! Cheers from Ottawa Canada!
Great to hear that, Cheers!
Thanks Johan. Not what I was expecting. I liked both speakers.
Clearly the 65 pushes the midrange in a very nice way, while the 75 has a scooped EQ. They're both very nice in their own way.
They both sound fantastic, I'd just end up getting both!
Thanks man ;-)
g12 t 75 are more bright and happy-biting stuff , g12 65 is more warm for me ..Both exellent and favorite celestions ! Great demo as usual :) ty Johan
And the wind cries Johan : ) Nice one Johan 2 nice flavours. Have a nice weekend . Cheers.
Thanks Jorge! ;-) Have a great weekend you too! Cheers
Awesome comparison. I love both of these speakers.
65 is such a good speaker, but nothing beats my 70' pulsonic greenbacks
Yeah Greenbacks are benchmark but for a speaker that can take a 50 watter alone the 65 is king!
Well, I preferred the 65 as they seem a little sweeter to me. But the 75 was really good as well, especially for the more aggressive playing.
It would be interesting to compare with the G12-80.
Thanks for a cool comparison!
Nice comparison Johan. I've a stock JCM800 1936 2x12 cab built in 1983 that I've had from new. It has a mixed speaker pairing of a G12T - 75 and the less favoured G12M - 70 but this pair work well together. So I guess blending speakers can lift the overall sound production.
75 sounds nice and creamy smooth. The 65 sounds kinda raspy to me.
The 75 had a more saturated "Slash" feel. The 65 sounded more like a JMP. I think I like them equally as much, great stuff!
This comment makes no sense since slash hasn't almost any saturation and the jmp can sound in a 10.000 different ways depending on many variables (guitar, pedals, eq, pickups, speakers, bias, tubes, components inside and their tolerance)
With the 75s, I hear the extended lows and more even ctheompression on punchy playing, and the resonant notes in the rung out chords in the end tell story. The 65, is very nice, less bottom, more punch, chimey highs sparkle. The 65 sounds like early ACDC whereas G12T75 is moody, late 70s to mid 80s hardrock /metal
I prefer the 65s but those 75s are not bad at all. A tad more modern I guess.
If I hadn't heard both of them in person I would think that they are somewhat close, based on this video. But from my experience, the 65s are creamy (treble roll off) and somewhat nasally in the mids while the 75s are super scooped and bright.
Thanks for the comparison the 75's sounded more alive and full however, the 65's were not too bad either. I love your videos and playing too keep them coming Johan
They both sonded great! I prefer the 65, sounded better to my ears.
I must say Johan that the 75 had a just gorgeous singing quality in your opening riffs, which I think the 65 was lacking compared...
I can't myself. I like the 75s. My first and only 4x12 had them, and I got the cab with the intention of replacing them, but I liked them, so I kept them. By the time I bought the 75s, I'd been told a million times that they sounded bad, but I ended up strongly disagreeing. I like the distinctive 80s twang on the low notes with the 75s. They sounded especially good with my baritone.
I have a 65 in a Laney AOR Pro Tube 30 combo, which has a tiny closed-back speaker compartment. I like it OK, but the cabinet doesn't show it at it's best.
T75 are really good especially for metal
Johan, I have a speaker combo video suggestion: If you have an original G12T-75 (white label, vented magnet), it sounds absolutely amazing paired with a G12-65 in a 2x12 cab. The first generation G12T-75 adds just enough presence and bass to the cab, and paired with the stronger mids from G12-65 you get the best features of each speaker without them stepping on each other. (I also tried this with a later 90s G12T-75 and they didn't play nice at all- completely different sounding speaker!)
Interesting! I’ll try that
Thank you Johan I couldn't stop looking at the gear around you, I hope the young guys and girls really understsand the why and where these cab's and speakers meant so little back then but today we call it chasing the tone. I had a full stack loaded with G12t's but in 2021 just rying to re-capture those tones takes alot of effort. I'll take a loaded cab with G12-65 for live gigs Please. If I'm jaming at home happy with G12T-65 seems to sound ok at lower studio volume.
Always hard to tell, even industry standard JCM 900 4x12" with G12T-75 cabs can sound completely different. In fact: Even the four speakers in one cab sound different. Just for myself, the G12-65 are perfect in my Marshall 4140, with my JMP 2204 the 75ers seem to work better.
Hello, Johan! Hoping all is well! Love the channel! I have a Master Model 50w Mk 2 Lead Red with white piping. I bought it new in 78. Used it alot in club gigs in the 70s, --2000s. I have had some problems over the years but all have been addressed. I have other great sounding amps, but I think it will always be my favorite. Keep up the great and interesting work!
Just picked up a used 1912 cabinet with Celestion G12B-150, sounds great and easy to lug around
65’s of course!
I replaced the G12T-75s in my 1960A Lead cab with G12M-65 Creambacks. Hated the 75s, love the 65 Creambacks.
We need Classic Lead 80 into the game!
cool riffs and tones Johan.... like them both for different things.
I just got a good deal on a 1960a cab from 1990 with these black with white stripe T75 speakers. I was only 20 year old when this cab was produced. I did not know about this version of T75, let alone if they differ in sound from others. I presume they are UK made?
I just got my nephew to play his nu-metal riffs on the Marshall 2525H amp I gave him into the 4x12, while I messed with settings. We were able to get a very good chug tone by boosting with a Tubescreamer. What I was not able to get was a nice lead tone for the Gary Moore or Slash licks he likes to play. There was a nasty frequency leaking through. I had better luck with that amp and higher gain lead tones by using a Laney LT212 with anniversary H30s in it.
Usually when he plays for five minutes it turns into an hour if he likes the tone. This time was even longer, so the T75s must have sounded pretty good -- for the Tool, AIC and LOG riffing he was doing at least.
In my own experience to compare a JCM800 cabinet to a 900 cabinet, my favorite head (model 2061) likes the 900 can with 75’s better but everything else I have likes the 800 cabinet with 65’s better. Interestingly the 900 cab seems to suck the brashness of the 2061 out and it becomes quite balanced
Love them Both! Thanks for using the Tele! Be Well and have a great weekend Brother!
I'm hearing more mids (more high-mids as well) in the 65, whilst the 75 is more neutral in that area and has more top end sparkle!
Owning both a (white) jcm800 1960b with 65's and a JCM900 1960b with 75's... I think the success of the 75's is due to how cool it sounds in a room. That said it's a nightmare to record properly in a studio setup imo (especially with high gain tones). You surely did a good job at recording it! The 65 is nice, I like it, it easier to record. Not the best Celestion speaker ever but it has a nice character.
Thanks man, yeah 75s are probably the easiest celestion to play due to how it’s scooped
@@JohanSegeborn Exactly.
This is something I'm struggling with too currently, I have a nice 4x12 Cathedral cab with 4 vented T75's in it, sounds monstrous in the room but having a hard time miking it up. They sound at their best with a lot of volume. Any tips or tricks?
@@Thansferium mic on axis but pretty far from the driver.
Awesome comparison! I think I prefer the G12T-75, although the 65s also have something to them. Maybe one day I could supply you with one of my modded Marshalls, I think you'd enjoy a Jose Mod :D
I liked the 65 with the Tele, the 75 with the SG. Thanks Johan.....😎
Modern g12 75 sound so fizzy and mid scooped. These old ones sound good. Esoecially with mid heavy amps like marshalls.
I agree.
But after a 2/12 with newish GT-75 was used as a bass cab for a month… Much better with a JCM 2203/2204. It’s also a my favorite way to break in a Lead80. In my experiences, the “modern” Celestions all need to be flexed quite a bit.
Most of my Marshals have the 75's great comparison vid..as usual JS. I have master lead combos 50 watts..among others... the sidewinder in the Marshall 75 reverb is heavy..weight wise...2 of those as well...love the era...love my back :)
G12t-75s sounded pretty great. They seem like they are panned as crap in some circles. Guess they haven’t met Johan yet. 👍🤘
Johan, thank you for putting together this comparison--really helpful. Which cabinet models were you using in this video? The 65 sounded woodier and warmer, but you made the 75s sound the best I have ever heard those. Both models were optimized for the higher gain sound of the master volume plexis, which did not sound great through Greenbacks. But your choice of the non-master volume plexi for this demo really let both models shine in a less common context. Personally, I find the 65s (and the similar WGS ET65s) work great with almost any amp (especially Deluxe Reverbs and Dumble style amps), and I love the 65's tonal flexibility with my NMV Bass-spec head. They let the Bass style plexi amps cover more musical styles--even country, and I think they sound much better for clean tones than Greenbacks.
You make everything sound great.. Cheers you
I've used both and like both. But I prefer the 75. They have a little bit of twang that sounds cool in a hard rock mix. That said, I had 75s in a 4x12 and a 65 in a combo, so it was an unfair comparison. But I can hear the same thing here.
Great classic tones, both of them are " acquired taste" , but personally , as many others, I prefer the 65, less biting and rounder! Cheers Johan!
Cheers Vincenzo!
Just picked up a near mint JCM800 1960B cab with G12T-75’s dated early ‘84
i can hear the differents. 65 for leads real smooth i love 75 great speakers are would say brighter 65 for me i have 80s 65 rola my keeper
I have a theory that the G12T-75 sounds better as a 16 Ohm speaker than an 8 Ohm. I play 2 of those in parallel with my Silver Jubilee (8 Ohms), but on one occassion I plugged the amp into the 1x12 open combo of a JCM 800 (16Ohms). The 2 in parallel are not bad, but I felt that with the 16 Ohm open back, this was the way the amp is supposed to sound.
Excellent observation
That Tele sounds awesome!
i scored a set of g12t's from the late 80's and they are awesome.. nothing like the ones made these days
i guess maybe because it's been broken in for the last 30 + years
The 75 need a LOT of volume to actually sound good. On volume-levels required by most places you play in these days, its impossible to turn up the amp so loud, that they actually sound nice and somewhat balanced, especially in a 4x12. On lower volumes they just sound harsh and very scooped with an unpleasent rumble in the lower range.
The 65 do that job a lot better, they sound very good at low volumes.
But:
I did a test on friday. G12H30-55Hz blackbacks vs G12-65 - the blackbacks just slaughtered the 65 in every possible way
Have you considered the fact that many don't want the extra treble of the g12h30 if one is using a bright amp like an old Marshall?
I'm curious on how the g12h30 slaughtered the 65 tho. For what style? Did the give more gain-saturation-crunchness? Did they smooth the treble out?
Appreciate your work as always.I don't like the modern T75s I've come across but these sound great
My archives are lacking... The only mentions of G12-65 I found in JCM800 1933 1x12" Lead cabinet and JCM800 4104 combo with Rola Celestion. The 65 is wonderful old school rock tone. "Open" and growling mids, brightness at the high frequencies but not in the buzzy way of the 75. 65 sounds so powerful, 75 has a bit too much bass. Very happy with the 75 in my own setup though, JCM900 1960, as long as I turn bass all the way down. It seems that there have been multiple different sounding 75s throughout the times so that's a thing as well.
Thanks Johan. 75 for me. Very helpful.
I really like the G12 T - 75 in every way,
Thanks Edgardo!
As I said last time Johan. The 75 and particularly the 65 are the secret hidden speaker of the gods. Epic all round perfection. Keep your Green backs cream backs and all the other usual suspects these are monsters in any rig. They can handle anything and nail it. Glorious!
I feel similarly. I owned an AX cab with the 4 greenbacks (someone literally wanted my mim tele for it, couldnt pass up the trade) a 1960B 800 cab with an early run of the 75s (not 65s relabeled or anything)
Do greenback sound good? Absolutely. But I got rid of the AX because I constantly preferred the 75s. They fit the sound I wanted much better (I wasnt attempting to copy a tone)
I cant get rid of that B cab for anything. For all the people who dont like 75s, send them my way. I don't mind! 😎
@@michaelsorenson3887 Couldn't agree more, I did same thing sold AX with greenbacks and kept white label g12t 75 :) best speaker ever. Enjoy yours :) Cheers
To my ear the 75s top end is much more shrill sounding. Much thinner and more focussed. The 65s top was much more full and a bit softer to my ear. I can hear why many complain of ear fatigue with the 75s. I never owned any so don't know what it's like sitting in front of 4 of em but after hearing this, I'm very happy I have a quad of original 65s along with all my greenies and black backs
Fun fact: the G12T-75's actually came out in 85 as a white label. Then to the black and white label you see in this video starting in 1990. The "scooped" sound that everyone associates with the 75's didn't actually happen until early 2000's. The 75's is a rare speaker that has actually changed in the way it sounded 3 times. JCM 800 cabs have had white label and black and white label 75's as well as 65's. The white label and 65s are the best sounding amd most sought after. The black and white ones in this video are still good but they started to change slightly.
Very nice riffs a la Keith Richards.
You can tell where the separation from rock to metal happend. Wow I'm the oddball again to me the 75 is harder and gainier and the 65 has much rounder edges and is dar I say creamier.
👍🇬🇧❤75's.....are the best speakers ever designed !!!!!!!!!
This iteration of the 75s is very scooped to my ears, i have these and an earlier iteration as well and the earlier sounds alot more vintage so a comparison between that and a 65 would be cool.
Would also like a comparison between an early white label (maybe vented) G12T-75, a made in UK later version of the G12T-75 and a G12-65. There is not much video of early white label G12T-75
@@bobdole3000 The vented 75's are basically the same as the 65s.
75's sound better to me than the 65 here but this is one guitar playing. Which one cuts through the mix better? Would like to hear them compared in a "full" band setting.
In a live setup, the T75's.
G12 65 - more punchy and woody , t75 - more liquid sound . Sounded quite similar
That Tele is sure one in a million!
Its a killar Guitar indeed but many other affinity Teles from 2016 were really good too. Cheers
Thinking about mixing my G12- 65 with Greenbacks. Have you tried this combo?
Liked them both!
what about the g12 80 marshall cab? i thought that was an 80s cab? and the silver jubilee cab with vintage 30s? i know they're a dime a dozen.. Great vid as always though M8! ; )
T75 sounds better to me... Which is interesting, because I usually hate that speaker.
Ughh. That's funny. I've been watching your channel since beginning. I'm hunting now for speakers to my jcm800. And now I know. Just in time demo Johan. Thank you. Cheers!
I think 75s sound great with an 800 or 900. They match perfect with my SLX.
I have a theory that many people play the amp turned down and dont get the true voice of the speaker. Once you get past 5, the speakers really talk
But hey, it's the internet. What do I know?
@@michaelsorenson3887 You've got a point. I've got T75s in my cab, and for the bedroom playing that I do, I don't like 'em, but in the few instances where I get to crank it, they sound a lot better. T75s are probably not the ones one would want if one is mainly a bedroom player.
@@Nghilifa I agree. They work for me playing in a room somewhat, but honestly I dont mind using some solid state stuff at bedroom volumes. Sometimes even headphones. I would only become a "tone snob" if I played live for a living and had to hear something consistent to feel good about it.
Everything else is basically just for fun and entertainment
@@michaelsorenson3887 And that's why we have Johan The Great!
Do these sound similar to the Altec Lansing 417-8H speakers?
Hey Johan, great vid! What's the bridge pickup in your SG? With a bit of imagination, those last chords sound almost Black Metallish.. I really dig it.
What is a modern(in production speaker) replacement for the g12t 75?
Perfect sound! I like them both very much. Johan, is there a difference between these black label T75’s and the initial white label ones in terms of sound?
Many thanks,
Radoslav
Hi Radoslav, yes it is. But it is hard to hear. I've spent a lot of time comparing different T75s few weeks ago. The white labels are less mid-scooped than the black ones. I'm not sure if the sound changed exactly at the same time when they changed the labels. But the mid 80s T75s are definitely less mid-scooped than the late 80s T75s. I also checked some from the years 1998 and 2012. In general you can say the older the speaker, the more mids it has.... The 2012 speakers sound horrible HiFi-like by the way....
Stefan Pratsch Thank you Stefan. I have three T75‘s from '85 / '86 and am looking for a fourth one to complete my backup cab(I already have a Laney 412p loaded with two vented + two non-vented vintage G12T75‘s). They have become really hard to find these days, so I was wondering if Celestion had changed the sound by introducing the black labels, since these would be a viable alternative for me. I agree, the new ones are very lame - only bass thump and thin high end sizzle, no ballsy mids to speak of, whatsoever.
Marshall switched to the G12T-75 from the G12M-70 in 1986.
Metallica used the G12-65 in Marshall cabinets and Mesa Boogie amps for Master Of Puppets.
The Puppets studio notes actually state 300w Marshall cabs with serial numbers to match, which obviously suggest 75's are more likey than 65's. I own both speakers from that time period, planning to do a comparison with my Mesa mk3. Both are great speakers but personally I prefer the vented 75's as they are more aggressive, they are also quite a bit smoother than my 2001 UK 75'S.
@@shaneclemens I read it in a Guitar For The Practicing Musician article way back in the 80's. Puppets was recorded before the G12T-75 would have been widely available anyway.
Regards 🎸
@@scottdunn2178 That's cool but 75's were actually available from '84, mines dated '85.
Do you recall any other specific's from the article? Thanks
Is this the mag?
reverb.com/ca/item/1372057-guitar-for-the-practicing-musician-magazine-october-1986
I like them both but prefer the attack of th 75's.
g12-65 is the sound of the 80s IMO.
Is there any difference between the black label and the white label 75's from the UK???
I thought some of the earlier JCM800 cabs featured G1270Ms?