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Wow this was a complete useless waste of legal topics to do a video on. Talk about extremely low hanging fruit off the poisonous tree. Whats next a debate with a gold fish over the latest Supreme court rulings...
Saul deserves S tier. Chuck was known to be the best lawyer in the area, and Saul always got the one-up on him in court. Even in breaking bad if you watch closely nothing bad ever happens because of Saul’s advice. Bad things only happen when people ignore it. So if he could keep Walt’s mess out of court then he’s a 10/10
Chuck was the ex-best lawyer. I feel like his mental health problems might drop him a tier. If anyone from Better Call Saul deserves S-tier it’s Kim. Everyone on the show respects her and her intelligence.
@@SavageRealityBeasts Understandable. I think Saul's willingness to go to extremes will always give him a leg up on Kim, who follows rules closer than him, but I can completely understand your opinion
@@kujojotarostandoceanman2641 except that's not true he was offered a job at all 3 major lawfirms in better call sual and took 1 for a few weeks before quiting. He was even offered a Jon at HHM twice I the show.
I'm very much convinced that (ex-)mobsters/gang leaders would be great attorneys, for some reason. Just a hunch, tbh.. perhaps including, but not limited to the determination, leadership skills, and their way of knowing how to manipulate/influence (or whichever other term you deem appropriate/fitting) needed to be a good attorney. Out of all the kinds of criminals, I feel like (ex-)gang leaders would serve as the best attorneys. Feel free to debate me on this lol, it's interesting food for thought, if you ask me!
Saul was able to reduce a 100+ year sentence to 7 years and in a good prison too. He did all that just to show that he is indeed still good at his job to Kim.
OBJECTION! Ace Attorney is based on the Japanese legal system, in which opposing council is allowed to conceal evidence. In fact this was the point of the original games
@@dmoogle2006 He only had it re-explained to him once, in the second game where someone hit him in the head and he wasn't 100%. Games afterwards was always a different character that was new, like Apollo Justice, or a flashback case with Mia Fey. _Although I haven't played the most recent 3DS games, I know one of them had a new girl get the tutorial stuff, but I'm not sure about the other._
If Lionel Hutz got an A ranking because he never lost a case, Phoenix deserves a higher rank, too. Out of the dozens of cases that we’ve seen him take on, he’s only lost one of them. That was the one where *spoiler warning* the client was actually guilty of the crime, and kidnapped a close friend to force Phoenix into representing him, so I think he deserves a pass on that one.
@@alexandercolburn317 He's actually lost two cases. You had to defeat him as Apollo in Spirit of Justice during a civil case. But still his record is very good.
To be fair, almost all TV lawyers do a lot of shady stuff. TV lawyers either do shady stuff or their characters are intentionally written to be bad at their jobs (like Ted Buckland from Scrubs).
I came here to say exactly this, we need to know where Nelson and Murdock fall on the list though based on the trial of Frank Castle reaction, probably pretty high... I'm going to say A tier
"why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else noticed?" A question right up there with and equally as valid as "Are we alone?" and "where do we go after we die?
@@thegaminggecko1212 I think it was just a cute little cameo from a friend. Legal Eagle was making a tier list so it made sense as an excuse to plug his friend who does tier list related content.
@@culwin I don't know if that's fair, as a lawyer legal eagle has the advantage of having no soul. Even if his lack of soul skill is relatively low. Tier zoo of course has strengths such as his tier making skills, he'd know to aim for weak points because of his biology skill. However I feel lacking a soul is a much better ability since it gives bonus defense against emotional damage
I think you're being too generous. F for the lawyer who's clients went to jail for a year for breaking a law that doesn't exist. A working knowledge of the criminal code is a prerequisite to pass any kind of bar exam.
"This man has only once lost a case and it was when his client pleaded guilty. His special abilities include mind control and the ability to speak with the dead. F tier."
That might be true for Phoenix in the first AA game, but he has been buffed since. He even had to be nerfed after Apollo Justice, where no one can question his law knowledge and skills. Even since the beginning his passion and justice spirit are the biggest on the list. Also we should take into account the weird law world he lives in, where trials only last 3 days and your client is "guilty until proven otherwise". He literally has to catch the real authors of the crimes just so his clients are declared not guilty. Not to mention the magatama, but you could say it's Maya's power and not entirely his. Thought I have to recognize a lot of the time relies on pure intuition and luck. Taking all this into account, he should be B tier at ABSOLUTELY WORST. I guess 🤔
It isn't even "Guilty until proven otherwise" it is "Guilty until you (a lawyer, not a detective) go and find the real culprit" "Guilty until you can pin this on someone else, hopefully the real culprit"
i was about to leave a comment like this. AA is a legal satire of the *Japanese legal system* & things are VERY different over there. I know it's not that deep but it's a little bit unfair to judge him by our world's standards when in-universe, he /is/ a pretty goddamn good lawyer and gets the reputation he does before [SPOILERS REDACTED] for a reason. (we don't talk about how he was written after AA4/Apollo Justice though. eugh)
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Not technically true. Lineages either proliferate or go extinct. Simply having kids doesn't guarantee proliferation... Also, please don't hate me. I hate myself enough for being "that guy".
Jeff Winger convinced 12 people that when Professor Duncan did a U-Turn on the freeway and tried to order chalupas from the emergency call box that his only real crime was loving America
Objection. Mike and Harvey from suits were judged on their performance from the first two episodes. Those episodes set their story arc from where they evolve as characters. If you'd assess their abilities across the series, an/or nearing the end of the series, you'd find they belong on A or S tear (depending which character we judge).
Mike went to prison. 😐 I’ve seen the whole show they are the worst lawyers ever lol. They constantly bluff with no evidence and are just extremely lucky they go against lawyers who are just as oblivious about the law as them. But it’s TV! It’s not supposed to be super realistic that’d be boring as hell. It’s just a fun watch
Objection: Phoenix Wright is markedly different in the anime, and their interpretations of some of the cases is a bit...spotty. Beyond that, the legal system he's working in has several quirks that aren't really his fault: The world he lives in prioritizes speed and efficiency over accuracy, and thus several things are outright at his disadvantage. Each trial takes place over a maximum of three days, including all investigation of the case. As a defense attorney in the AA universe, you are not entitled to the findings during a police investigation until it's presented during trial; in fact, you are entitled to no evidence unless it's presented this way or found elsewhere, such as being provided by the client or finding it yourself. Thus, this means that almost all evidence in the AA universe is surprise evidence, as the rules preventing such things have been stripped away to support the need for speed and efficiency. Who has time for things like discovery? Is this system completely insane and unrealistic? Absolutely, it's bonkers crazy and is obviously designed to support Ace Attorney's particular style of narrative and gameplay. But, it's the system Phoenix Wright _has_ to deal with to be a defense attorney in the context of his universe. So how well is he able to deal with this system that is so obviously geared to ensure a guilty verdict? He is, without a doubt, one of the best defense attorneys (if not the best) operating within the system. He toppled a prosecutor who abused the system's quirks to maintain a *_40 year_* undefeated streak. And despite how it's set up, he has lost a grand total of 2 cases in his career (that we know of). He got disbarred for a little while after getting framed for falsifying evidence, but eventually his innocence was proven and he came roaring back. He has regularly pushed his way through this system's quirks by his own ability and understanding, and his dedication to his clients. He goes digging around crime scenes himself to figure out what happened, because he _has to_ in the system he works in. Not to mention that on top of this, he has the literal mystical ability to see through someone's lies and force secrets out of them that would have otherwise remained hidden. Whether or not this is allowable in a court of law is debatable, but he has it. So it's not like he doesn't have an understanding of how evidence works; the system he's in deliberately hides it from him and he has to wander through his cases in the dark. With all of this in mind, if you put him in the actual American legal system instead of the crazy one he has to deal with, and he had adjusted and learned to apply what he knows how to do to this system, I have _no doubt_ that he would be even more successful and regarded as an insanely good defense attorney. I know it's a matter of looking at this from the perspective of the American legal system, but it still seems to me that his situation does give him some leeway.
Objection overuled. I might agree that Phoenix Wright is much much better in the games BUT this video is about lawyers in television which means he is only talking about Phoenix Wright in the Anime. He unfortunately does not have the obligation to evaluate his character development in the games.
Also, Japan has a conviction rate of 99,4 - 99,7% meaning him loosing every trial regardless of who he represents is actually pretty on point. The whole game series is a satire of the japanese legal system.
@@RaquelleDeVil Which is a shame, since one particular thing excluded from the anime is his ability to LITERALLY SEE WHEN SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING. Can you imagine a real lawyer being able to see psyche locks?
Timestamps because why not: 00:00 Pre-show 00:15 Introduction 00:42 TierZoo explains Tiers 01:41 Criteria for ranking 02:05 Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney) 02:56 Ted Buckland (Scrubs) 04:00 Bob Loblaw (Arrested Development) 04:35 Maggie Lizer (Arrested Development) 05:09 Eli Stone (Eli Stone) 05:37 Saul Goodman (Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul) 06:24 Barry Zuckerkorn (Arrested Development) 07:06 Annalise Keating (How to Get Away With Murder) 07:59 Harvey Spectre and Mike Ross (Suits) 09:12 Unfrozen Caveman (Saturday Night Live) 10:23 Bobby Donnell 10:37 Lionel Hutz (The Simpsons) 11:36 Cast of Ally Mcbeal (Ally McBeal) 12:00 Perry Mason (Perry Mason) 13:30 Ben Matlock (Ben Matlock) 14:01 Marshall Eriksen (How I Met Your Mother) 14:50 Harvey Birdman (Harvey Birdman) 15:47 Jackie Chiles (Seinfeld) 16:30 Gerri Kellman (Succession) 17:23 Jeff Winger (Community) 18:20 Denny Crane and Alan Shore (Boston Legal) 18:44 Alicia Florrick (The Good Wife) 19:07 Jack McCoy (Law and Order) 20:10 Nebula/Curiosity Stream Sponsor spot/End Only a year late :) but we just started watching this video
Objection! Jeff claims that he has never lost a case when he was practicing law. He also has strong examples like when he convinced an arson victim he preferred his house burnt.
Objection! Phoenix Wright works in a satirized future version of the Japanese legal system, where defendants get basically no time to prepare for trial. He has won virtually all his trials, a large number of them having maybe a single night to prepare. Given that he's severely disadvantaged in a grossly broken system and still comes out on top, I think he has earned a bit higher than an F.
Also, US evidence law doesn’t apply except for one case (that was written years later by a different team as a bonus case) where it does before it continues not to again.
Objection. Lionel Hutz represents Marge in “Marge in Chains” where she’s given prison time after being convicted for shoplifting. He tries to submit a fake verdict which is: 1. Written on a cocktail napkin 2. Still says guilty 3. Guilty is spelled wrong.
The judge is awful in that case. I work as a paralegal in a prosecutor's office. Shoplifting ain't a prison case unless it's for jewelry, but then it moves into larceny
Larceny is just an arcane word for stealing a physical object (as opposed to embezzlement or fraud). Many states such as South Carolina have removed larceny from their legal lexicon because it is almost entirely redundant with "theft". Many more states such as Ohio have had pushes to do the same that ultimately went no where because it would have required too extensive of a rewrite of the state legal code.
He did but it's on his curiosity stream paid content. And I've never been more tempted to pay even just for a month just to watch that. Wanna make sure Claire gets at least A tier.
Objection! Why is Kim Weller of “Better Call Saul” not ranked? She’s top-tier! For that matter, how about Howard “Hamlindigo Blue” or tight-ass, fuss-budget Chuck McGill from the same show? These omissions are unconscionable. Get out of my courtroom.
Lionel Hutz : Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog. Marge : You did? Lionel Hutz : Well, replace the word "kinda" with the word "repeatedly," and the word "dog" with "son."
I think we should thank how despite his age he tried to learn memes and trends and what's popular amongst young people, while still keeping it on topic.
I was hoping to see the chicken lawyer from Futurama. I know how badly he'd be ranked, I just wanted to hear you discuss the merits of a space chicken as a lawyer.
@@turkishjanitor3666he might be downranked because of confusing witnesses for corn, and being easily startled by the possibility of badgers being about.
@@Crowelephant Peacock puts a bunch of L&O clips on RUclips, and since SVU has gone on much longer than the Coke Classic, you'd be shocked by how many people would disagree with you. However, you are correct.
@@emperornortoni2871 I mean, I wasn't even saying it in a ranking kind of way, just that I like the character. Like how people say "Cheetos are the best" or "Everything is the worst."
I think the fact that Saul Goodman is unscrupulous makes him S tier. He'll do anything and everything to get his clients off...that's a lawyer anyone would want!
Wild to me that he didn’t mention Phoenix Wright’s special ability of seeing someone’s lies. Wright is virtually undefeated, and has the most passion of any lawyer on this list. The only thing keeping Wright down is his lack law knowledge. But he more than makes up for it with his team tactics, logical reasoning, and adaptability. A Tier minimum
@@webbowser8834 The movie is a little different than the book (the film focuses more on the theme of racism over the book's gender identity), but the plot is basically scene for scene, aside from a few minor scenes that don't alter the overall impact of the film or book. Harper Lee (the author) loved the movie so much she refused any proposals for a remake and her wishes in her legacy was for no remakes to be made.
yeah nobody would say that tho :P Zoo? sure. Tierpark? also. but Tierzoo isn't a thing. Bauminterkontinentalrakete also translates to "tree ICBM", and it's arguable whether that makes it a word :P
@@nonchip I know it’s not a word. But it reminds me of actual German words like Glasvitrine, Vogelvoliere, Speisekartoffel, Außenfassade, Haarfriseur, Pulsschlag, Zukunftsprognose… shall I go on?
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now and Tier Zoo for even longer. Watching you two colab was fantastic. All your stuff is gold DJ, but this is my favorite episode so far!
I’m not even a lawyer and I could tell Annalise wasn’t actually good at her job. How? The script kept telling me how amazing/ perfect/ badass she was at her job. That, and she had first years handle her cases, then scolded them when they messed up, which is to be expected since they’re FIRST YEARS.
I watched like.... 4 episodes of that show? Maybe 5. And then I missed a week, and never felt the desire to catch up with it, so I let it drop. It... wasn't a good show.
I think she'd lose a point for neglecting her bank clients in favor of pro bono cases despite promising them they'd be her sole priority. Or the time she collaborated with the opposition to sabotage her clients' business expansion.
Though, my memory may be off, but doesn’t he get disbarred for falsifying evidence in the Apollo Justice games? If so that totally outweighs any gains in the fighting ability stat lmao
@@dokkisse9075 ok I just checked the wiki, he did present false evidence but he apparently didn’t know it was false (not particularly helpful to his score as a lawyer either way) and because of that he was “stripped of his attorney’s badge” which is ace attorney’s way of saying he was either suspended or disbarred.
@@Vesperitis she got a rapist out of jail and then beat him to a plub afterwards when he confessed to her. Thanos brother has a aura around him that makes people like him and makes people agree with him. He said I can't turn it off to she hulk
Or at the very least put Foggy Nelson on the list. He's consistently shown to be excellent at his job as a lawyer, even when standing in Matt's shadow.
Kim Wexler S-tier easily. Hardest working attorney on earth, insanely smart, brilliant con-woman who successfully bends the law for her clients. Does tons of pro bono work, sticks up for the little guy even when they're guilty. She tells a home-invading cartel sociopath to get his shit together and leave her alone...and he was convinced!
IMO Jeff Winger is deserving of S-Tier, he can convince anyone of literally anything. The proof is in the scene where he convinces the group that having Chang in the group is better than Rich. And his entire argument is that because they KNOW how terrible of a person Chang is, he must be better than Rich, who's more perfect than humanely possible and therefore hiding something. His closing statement puts it perfectly: "I only know one thing, nobody is this good a person (Rich), and no one can get worse than this (Chang)."
@@jordansweet8054 probably a lot of good lawyers have had failed firms. The fact he was able to dupe people into believing he was a lawyer (by being good at being lawyer) is a massive boon.
You spend the whole commentary talking about how Harvey and Mike are actually awful, then put them in B tier. My brain is confused by this contradiction.
He said Harvey is not a good Trial Lawyer, which is kinda the point of Harvey. He settles, because there is so much you can control in a trial, with the judge and jury and witnesses. Settling makes sure you don’t lose, in a trial you can lose big time. Ans for Mike, Mike was like that (if you watched the show, you’d know why), but later he knew everything, because, yeah, photographic memory and he was also really smart.
@@unknown3158 I watched the show. I'm familiar with the characters. My point was a B tier ranking is inconsistent with the fact that he said nothing positive about them at all.
@@malarie-susangold9259 It's worth noting that he only lost due to Marge Simpson basically throwing the case. Also, after that he advised them to take the settlement of $0. Unless he was paid a lump sum, that would be less money for him, and it shows integrity that he advised they take it anyway.
@@danpattyboucher523 Yeah I think all of wins execpt for the "All You Can Resturant" were won by one of the Simpsons i.e. bart and lisa got Sideshow Bob to confess on the stand, Bart found the animation cell which proofed Chester created Itchy and Scratchy.
OBJECTION: Perry Mason did indeed represent guilty clients (unknown when he took the case). The first time was in "The Case of the Terrified Typist" in the shows first season. Also, what about Franklin & Bash or The Grinder?
In the first Perry Mason book not only is his client guilty, but she also framed him for murder. The Perry Mason moment is getting her to confess, and then he goes and gets her out of it anyway.
I still want you to react to a full episode of Boston Legal. Honestly, it's one of the most amazing and weirdly underrated shows I've ever seen. Denny Crane and Alan Shore are two of the best characters in television.
I wanna lobby for Jeff Winger to get moved up solely based on the fact that he had tons of people convinced for a long time that he was actually a lawyer before he got caught and was forced to going to Greendale. Not only that but he was apparently pretty good before he was outed by his buddy- dudes got some solid lawyer skills whether he passed the bar or not lol
I came here to see if he had Dan Fielding on the list. John Larroquette has played so many lawyers in his life at least one of them should be mentioned!
It'd be neat to see some international flavour on the channel - Rumpole's an obvious choice, and maybe some lesser-known legends like the two lawyers from classic Australian flick 'The Castle'. Devin might need to engage with lawyers from those jurisdictions in order to fully appreciate the lawyering on display, though.
Objection, your honor! Saul Goodman needs to be entered as S-tier lawyer! You forgot to mention, that he has absolutely the best TV-commercials that money can't buy! And yes, your honor, I have called Saul already.
This is great. I love that Marshall Erikson is S Tier, he is genuinely a great lawyer and in a flash-forward we see that he actually becomes a Supreme Court Justice for the State of New York. I would've loved to see Matt Murdock and Laurel Lance on this list, but I suppose you can't cover everybody.
Objection! In the episode “Basic Lupine Urology”, we get to see Jeff Winger’s lawyering skills first-hand, and he ultimately wins the case of the murdered yam.
Annie did most of the work. Even the talking. She got an innocent man to confess to a crime he didn't commit. The way she did it wouldn't work in real court, but Jeff was on the sidelines.
He also won, or at least achieved a positive outcome for Britta at the Olympic pool's judging table in Advanced Criminal Law. And under special skills, surely always knowing what to say and when to slap the table should be recognised as the innate skill that it is
And "He convinced a judge to dismiss five years of back taxes by getting him to agree that [a stripper] humping an American flag to "Back in Black" was not stripping but actually not for profit performance art!"
I don't know if I saw every episode of Perry Mason but, I did see a lot. There was one episode where his client was guilty and he did get a confession from her while she was on the stand. His special skill is actually getting the guilty person into the courtroom so they can confess.
I imagine Devin dressing up in a fine Indochino suit on his days off, logging into Twitch, and streaming something classy like Legend of Zelda or Goldeneye
Should have done Louis Litt too. And after going after Mikes inexperience, you didn't actually think to mention that he didn't graduate from any law school and had his name added to the bar after working as an associate at Pearson Hardman (Pearson/Pearson Darby/Pearson Darby Specter/Pearson Specter/Pearson Specter Litt) just in case somebody came after him after people already came after him and didn't check if he was educated or qualified in any way. And that law firm has changed name so much that is brings up the question about if you continue to replace things, until what point is the same law firm?
@@wanderingowl6386 You never really see a lot of Marshall Erikson at work, either. If he's in the office, you don't see him at trial that often, if at all
I would've given Jeff Winger an A. How often does your lawyer have a degree from a community College? Or win a trial against Subway? Or teach law at said community College?
Also; when's Legal Eagle gonna cover Silicon Valley? :-D Most of the series is worth scrutiny but, if we can only get one episode, it ourght be The Patent Troll.
@@alm2187 As someone who studied law, I can say that the show is actually painstakingly accurate. They even throw in some offhand jokes only a lawyer would understand.
Yeah Winger was a mis-tier for sure. A)he had a law degree, it was his bachelor's that was fake. He was suspended until he fixed that problem. B)he was a successful DUI defense attorney before being snitched out by Alan. C)his special ability is persuasiveness. The reason the group didn't always listen is cause they knew him well. This is evidenced in the favy that he became less able to influence them as the show went on. A courtroom wouldn't know him so well so his persuasiveness would work wonders as it did in the past. D)his practice failed because he wanted to be a better person. He wasn't using his special ability correctly nor his killer instinct. The fact that so many unethical attorneys made A tier shows that Jeff should have been higher. At his most unethical, he was A tier for sure, B at the very least. I could be OK with C tier at the least as a final rank and that's only because he did fall a notch in what he'd do to win after Greendale.
@@Mewse1203 I would also like to add, Jeff's practice failed because Abed refused to put his actual phone number on his TV commercial which severely affected his ability to acquire clients.
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Objection: Lionel Hutz has lost majority of his cases. One example is Marge’s shoplifting case. The only reason that many of his cases shown in episodes are won are because of the Simpson children. My ranking: S Tier.
@@phanatic215 I don't think Lionel Hutz can be credited with winning the case against the Devil, seeing as he deserted his client in the beginning of his opening statement. If anyone could be said to have represented Homer at the time of the ruling, it was Marge.
I think that Phoenix Wright should get at least some credit for his spectacular trial record in a court system heavily stacked against him. Of the cases we know he has taken, he currently stands at 26-3-1, and one of those losses was later overturned.
@Ginger in a Jacket Those losses were one where the defendant was guilty, one which later got overturned, and one civil case where he represented the plaintiff and the court found in favor of the defendant. The one "tie" was a case where a verdict was never reached due to the defendant disappearing.
How do you get 26 wins? I count 5 from game 1, 3 from game 2, 3 from game 3, 0 from game 4, 4 from game 5 (including 5-DLC), and 5 from game 6 (including 6-DLC, counting the 6-3 victims separately) for a total of 20. I'm pretty sure PL vs PW is an AU, so those cases wouldn't count.
@@jrtrct9097 1-4 and 3-2 both have two trials for two crimes, and in both cases, Phoenix wins both. I count the crossover as canon, taking place between 3-2 and 3-3, and filling a plot hole in the latter.
Objection: This rating system is greatly biased against video game characters. All video game characters are being rated against what happens when a player controls them rather than canonically through their story narratives. As such, I have to declare that this video is subject to medium bias and therefore invalid as a point of comparison.
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Wow this was a complete useless waste of legal topics to do a video on. Talk about extremely low hanging fruit off the poisonous tree. Whats next a debate with a gold fish over the latest Supreme court rulings...
@@Archangel4Truth Man, imagine going through life not knowing what 'fun' is.
Definitely Charlie Kelly and Matt Murdock
@@Archangel4Truth Are you okay?
Saul deserves S tier. Chuck was known to be the best lawyer in the area, and Saul always got the one-up on him in court. Even in breaking bad if you watch closely nothing bad ever happens because of Saul’s advice. Bad things only happen when people ignore it. So if he could keep Walt’s mess out of court then he’s a 10/10
Chuck was the ex-best lawyer. I feel like his mental health problems might drop him a tier.
If anyone from Better Call Saul deserves S-tier it’s Kim. Everyone on the show respects her and her intelligence.
@@SavageRealityBeasts Understandable. I think Saul's willingness to go to extremes will always give him a leg up on Kim, who follows rules closer than him, but I can completely understand your opinion
as he said the only reason he isn't S is because he got bad reputation thus can never be actually hired by big corporate
@@kujojotarostandoceanman2641 except that's not true he was offered a job at all 3 major lawfirms in better call sual and took 1 for a few weeks before quiting. He was even offered a Jon at HHM twice I the show.
AND HE GETS TO BET A TIER! WHAT A SICK JOKE!
“I’d hire this guy(Saul Goodman) you don’t want a criminal lawyer, you want a “criminal” lawyer” - Jesse Pinkman
I'm very much convinced that (ex-)mobsters/gang leaders would be great attorneys, for some reason. Just a hunch, tbh.. perhaps including, but not limited to the determination, leadership skills, and their way of knowing how to manipulate/influence (or whichever other term you deem appropriate/fitting) needed to be a good attorney. Out of all the kinds of criminals, I feel like (ex-)gang leaders would serve as the best attorneys.
Feel free to debate me on this lol, it's interesting food for thought, if you ask me!
Yeah, lawyers!
His willingness to get disbarred for clients is what makes him actually S tier.
@@corngreaterthanwheat In fiction yes. In real life that just gives you Giuliani
that's how Michael cohen was recommended to Donald Trump
Aww, no Charlie Kelly. Probably saving him for the Tier List about Bird Lawyers.
He was neither a lawyer nor practiced though, but his uncle was fair game
@@kellywilliam3708 season 11 episode 7, "McPoyle vs Ponderosa"
@@kellywilliam3708 okay, well filibuster...
He wasn't ignored there just isn't a rank above S Tier to file him. If we include him then it breaks the system of ranking.
i dont think legal eagle has studied bird law, he's probably waiting to become as much as an expert as charlie
Saul was able to reduce a 100+ year sentence to 7 years and in a good prison too. He did all that just to show that he is indeed still good at his job to Kim.
OBJECTION!
Ace Attorney is based on the Japanese legal system, in which opposing council is allowed to conceal evidence. In fact this was the point of the original games
That still doesn't explain why he needs to have the way trials work explained to him every new game.
@@dmoogle2006 He only had it re-explained to him once, in the second game where someone hit him in the head and he wasn't 100%.
Games afterwards was always a different character that was new, like Apollo Justice, or a flashback case with Mia Fey.
_Although I haven't played the most recent 3DS games, I know one of them had a new girl get the tutorial stuff, but I'm not sure about the other._
@@IBrowneeI in the other 3DS game you explain it to the judge, who is a different character than our usual judge.
If Lionel Hutz got an A ranking because he never lost a case, Phoenix deserves a higher rank, too. Out of the dozens of cases that we’ve seen him take on, he’s only lost one of them.
That was the one where *spoiler warning*
the client was actually guilty of the crime, and kidnapped a close friend to force Phoenix into representing him, so I think he deserves a pass on that one.
@@alexandercolburn317 He's actually lost two cases. You had to defeat him as Apollo in Spirit of Justice during a civil case.
But still his record is very good.
The fact that the A tier is filled with lawyers who do a lot of shady shit is pretty telling.
I wasn't expecting absolutely everyone in A tier to be shady as balls... But here we are 🤣
To be fair, almost all TV lawyers do a lot of shady stuff. TV lawyers either do shady stuff or their characters are intentionally written to be bad at their jobs (like Ted Buckland from Scrubs).
@@peterporkeristhespiderham988 Yeah. Lawyers who are neither shit nor shady just aren't interesting to see on TV.
Phoenix in F tier because he has morality lmaoo
@@manu3733 idk man, McCoy isn't shady and he's hella interesting
The fact that Matt Murdock wasn't on this list is criminal.
I also wanted to see his rankings for Foggy Nelson and Jeri Hogarth.
To be fair we rarely get to see Matt in court because of his side job... But we needed more Foggy for sure
Came here to mention Jeri Hogarth. Glad to see folks are remembering netflix marvel.
heh. “criminal”
I came here to say exactly this, we need to know where Nelson and Murdock fall on the list though based on the trial of Frank Castle reaction, probably pretty high... I'm going to say A tier
The fact that Matt Murdock wasn’t on this list is a federal crime.
I recognize this video was released pre-She Hulk, but Jen Walters deserves placement as well.
@@GSBarlevyeah deserves a placement in the lowest tier
@@mohamedbenlashher4510need to do a sub F teir for that.
Like the state flag one by CGP Grey.
FA, FB, ECT to FF.
Right and no Vinny Gambino or Flecher Reed
That would need to be proven in court, though
"why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else noticed?"
A question right up there with and equally as valid as "Are we alone?" and "where do we go after we die?
Good question if no one notices is it really a crime?
WorldEnd: What do you do at the end of the world? Are you busy? Why should you go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?
Ah, my favourite anime.
@@AirQuotes Like punching someone in the dark!
@@cruzcflores whats going on he,,,*crumples to the ground*
@@AirQuotes It is. In the criminal mind, unless he doesn't think it is and none else notice "it is", ever.
Tier Zoo legit just showed up to say “yeah, I can’t help you with this, buddy”. Then dipped.
I wonder if it has something to do with the contract with Nebula and/or Curiosity Stream. A certain number of crossovers per time or something.
@@Markle2k yeah, I was thinking that it had to be marketing related somehow.
@@thegaminggecko1212 I think it was just a cute little cameo from a friend. Legal Eagle was making a tier list so it made sense as an excuse to plug his friend who does tier list related content.
@@Markle2k I bet they actually hate each other and probably had a fist fight.
@@culwin I don't know if that's fair, as a lawyer legal eagle has the advantage of having no soul. Even if his lack of soul skill is relatively low. Tier zoo of course has strengths such as his tier making skills, he'd know to aim for weak points because of his biology skill. However I feel lacking a soul is a much better ability since it gives bonus defense against emotional damage
"this man has never won a case, including one where the law broken wasn't even a thing. B tier." WTF bro
"B?! I feel crushed, crucified, crestfallen. Obfuscated and obliterated!"
I think you're being too generous. F for the lawyer who's clients went to jail for a year for breaking a law that doesn't exist. A working knowledge of the criminal code is a prerequisite to pass any kind of bar exam.
"This man has only once lost a case and it was when his client pleaded guilty. His special abilities include mind control and the ability to speak with the dead. F tier."
Yeah, if he can say that Matlock & Perry Mason are the same, but Matlock gets a higher rating? NOPE.
I think Jackies got a special place in DJs heart; as does he in mine haha. It bumped is rating.
That might be true for Phoenix in the first AA game, but he has been buffed since. He even had to be nerfed after Apollo Justice, where no one can question his law knowledge and skills.
Even since the beginning his passion and justice spirit are the biggest on the list.
Also we should take into account the weird law world he lives in, where trials only last 3 days and your client is "guilty until proven otherwise". He literally has to catch the real authors of the crimes just so his clients are declared not guilty.
Not to mention the magatama, but you could say it's Maya's power and not entirely his.
Thought I have to recognize a lot of the time relies on pure intuition and luck.
Taking all this into account, he should be B tier at ABSOLUTELY WORST. I guess 🤔
I think Legal Eagle's only exposure to Phoenix Wright is the anime reaction video he did on his channel. That's how it sounds like anyway...
It isn't even "Guilty until proven otherwise" it is "Guilty until you (a lawyer, not a detective) go and find the real culprit"
"Guilty until you can pin this on someone else, hopefully the real culprit"
Don’t forget, Phoenix could kick your ass, per Marvel vs Capcom
cry about it
i was about to leave a comment like this. AA is a legal satire of the *Japanese legal system* & things are VERY different over there. I know it's not that deep but it's a little bit unfair to judge him by our world's standards when in-universe, he /is/ a pretty goddamn good lawyer and gets the reputation he does before [SPOILERS REDACTED] for a reason.
(we don't talk about how he was written after AA4/Apollo Justice though. eugh)
Unfrozen Caveman lawyer is also a direct ancestor of Lionel Hutz.
Really?
Everyone would be his decendant by math since he lived so long ago if he had kids before being frozen.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Not technically true. Lineages either proliferate or go extinct. Simply having kids doesn't guarantee proliferation... Also, please don't hate me. I hate myself enough for being "that guy".
@@sarasamaletdin4574 A frozen caveman might not even be the same species as modern humans.
Lionel Hutz should be a direct ancestor of Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, not the reverse, because Time.
**Nope, Brain fart**
Jeff Winger convinced 12 people that when Professor Duncan did a U-Turn on the freeway and tried to order chalupas from the emergency call box that his only real crime was loving America
"I...I love chalupas."
@Bersker Jeff is an easy A. All of his clients got off and his lawfirm loved him.
Right? Jeff never lost a case that we're aware of so he should definitely be higher.
He never lost a case too
“he convinced a victim of arson that he liked his house better burnt!”
Saul is still S tier in my heart
he's definitely an S++ ( he survived Tuco )
Kim too
Though it's a show I think it shows a truer aspect to lawyers and behind the scenes deals
Objection. Mike and Harvey from suits were judged on their performance from the first two episodes. Those episodes set their story arc from where they evolve as characters. If you'd assess their abilities across the series, an/or nearing the end of the series, you'd find they belong on A or S tear (depending which character we judge).
Mike went to prison. 😐 I’ve seen the whole show they are the worst lawyers ever lol. They constantly bluff with no evidence and are just extremely lucky they go against lawyers who are just as oblivious about the law as them.
But it’s TV! It’s not supposed to be super realistic that’d be boring as hell. It’s just a fun watch
They do something EVERY episode that would get them disbarred!
@@VeganChefRon saul does something EVERY episode that would get him arrested!
Objection: Phoenix Wright is markedly different in the anime, and their interpretations of some of the cases is a bit...spotty. Beyond that, the legal system he's working in has several quirks that aren't really his fault: The world he lives in prioritizes speed and efficiency over accuracy, and thus several things are outright at his disadvantage. Each trial takes place over a maximum of three days, including all investigation of the case. As a defense attorney in the AA universe, you are not entitled to the findings during a police investigation until it's presented during trial; in fact, you are entitled to no evidence unless it's presented this way or found elsewhere, such as being provided by the client or finding it yourself. Thus, this means that almost all evidence in the AA universe is surprise evidence, as the rules preventing such things have been stripped away to support the need for speed and efficiency. Who has time for things like discovery?
Is this system completely insane and unrealistic? Absolutely, it's bonkers crazy and is obviously designed to support Ace Attorney's particular style of narrative and gameplay. But, it's the system Phoenix Wright _has_ to deal with to be a defense attorney in the context of his universe. So how well is he able to deal with this system that is so obviously geared to ensure a guilty verdict?
He is, without a doubt, one of the best defense attorneys (if not the best) operating within the system. He toppled a prosecutor who abused the system's quirks to maintain a *_40 year_* undefeated streak. And despite how it's set up, he has lost a grand total of 2 cases in his career (that we know of). He got disbarred for a little while after getting framed for falsifying evidence, but eventually his innocence was proven and he came roaring back. He has regularly pushed his way through this system's quirks by his own ability and understanding, and his dedication to his clients. He goes digging around crime scenes himself to figure out what happened, because he _has to_ in the system he works in. Not to mention that on top of this, he has the literal mystical ability to see through someone's lies and force secrets out of them that would have otherwise remained hidden. Whether or not this is allowable in a court of law is debatable, but he has it. So it's not like he doesn't have an understanding of how evidence works; the system he's in deliberately hides it from him and he has to wander through his cases in the dark.
With all of this in mind, if you put him in the actual American legal system instead of the crazy one he has to deal with, and he had adjusted and learned to apply what he knows how to do to this system, I have _no doubt_ that he would be even more successful and regarded as an insanely good defense attorney. I know it's a matter of looking at this from the perspective of the American legal system, but it still seems to me that his situation does give him some leeway.
Can I second an objection? I don't actually think that'll fly in court, but luckily this is RUclips
Objection overuled. I might agree that Phoenix Wright is much much better in the games BUT this video is about lawyers in television which means he is only talking about Phoenix Wright in the Anime. He unfortunately does not have the obligation to evaluate his character development in the games.
Also, Japan has a conviction rate of 99,4 - 99,7% meaning him loosing every trial regardless of who he represents is actually pretty on point.
The whole game series is a satire of the japanese legal system.
@@RaquelleDeVil Which is a shame, since one particular thing excluded from the anime is his ability to LITERALLY SEE WHEN SOMEBODY IS HIDING SOMETHING. Can you imagine a real lawyer being able to see psyche locks?
Seeing Pheonix Wright that far below Perry Mason when Wright is literally Anime Perry Mason made me a bit sad.
Timestamps because why not:
00:00 Pre-show
00:15 Introduction
00:42 TierZoo explains Tiers
01:41 Criteria for ranking
02:05 Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney)
02:56 Ted Buckland (Scrubs)
04:00 Bob Loblaw (Arrested Development)
04:35 Maggie Lizer (Arrested Development)
05:09 Eli Stone (Eli Stone)
05:37 Saul Goodman (Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul)
06:24 Barry Zuckerkorn (Arrested Development)
07:06 Annalise Keating (How to Get Away With Murder)
07:59 Harvey Spectre and Mike Ross (Suits)
09:12 Unfrozen Caveman (Saturday Night Live)
10:23 Bobby Donnell
10:37 Lionel Hutz (The Simpsons)
11:36 Cast of Ally Mcbeal (Ally McBeal)
12:00 Perry Mason (Perry Mason)
13:30 Ben Matlock (Ben Matlock)
14:01 Marshall Eriksen (How I Met Your Mother)
14:50 Harvey Birdman (Harvey Birdman)
15:47 Jackie Chiles (Seinfeld)
16:30 Gerri Kellman (Succession)
17:23 Jeff Winger (Community)
18:20 Denny Crane and Alan Shore (Boston Legal)
18:44 Alicia Florrick (The Good Wife)
19:07 Jack McCoy (Law and Order)
20:10 Nebula/Curiosity Stream Sponsor spot/End
Only a year late :) but we just started watching this video
thank you for your service, friend.
No Atticus Finch...still gonna go ahead and watch the whole video
Thanks man
Damn, no Matt Murdock? Wanted to see what his rating would be…
Thx!
*LegalEagle:* Phoenix Wright is F Tier.
*Marvel Vs Capcom 3 Players:* You have never known the terror that is Turnabout Mode...
He’s S Tier in the hands of the one and only I HEART JUSTICE
He’s considered low tier in umvc3
But that is game!Phoenix, and LegalEagle is talking about anime!Phoenix.
@@podemosurss8316 Shame. At least Game!Phoenix has somewhat of a reasoning.
Someone should tell him about game!Phoenix, then, because I think that'd probably make him reconsider Phoenix Wright as a whole.
Objection! Jeff claims that he has never lost a case when he was practicing law. He also has strong examples like when he convinced an arson victim he preferred his house burnt.
Ted may be a D tier lawyer, but he's an S tier character.
RIP Sam Lloyd
So happy he mentioned Sam Llyod/ Ted. It made my evening.
He finally worked up the nerve to jump off the roof... only to be saved by that dumpster.
He’s s tier in my heart.
Totally, besto character ever.
Objection!
Phoenix Wright works in a satirized future version of the Japanese legal system, where defendants get basically no time to prepare for trial. He has won virtually all his trials, a large number of them having maybe a single night to prepare. Given that he's severely disadvantaged in a grossly broken system and still comes out on top, I think he has earned a bit higher than an F.
+
Def B or a tier
Also, US evidence law doesn’t apply except for one case (that was written years later by a different team as a bonus case) where it does before it continues not to again.
Japan has a conviction rate over 99%
Agreed
Objection. Lionel Hutz represents Marge in “Marge in Chains” where she’s given prison time after being convicted for shoplifting. He tries to submit a fake verdict which is:
1. Written on a cocktail napkin
2. Still says guilty
3. Guilty is spelled wrong.
I move for a bad-Court thingy! You mean a mistrial? That's why you're the Judge and I'm the law...talking guy. You mean lawyer?
Well yeah but free pizza.
The judge is awful in that case. I work as a paralegal in a prosecutor's office. Shoplifting ain't a prison case unless it's for jewelry, but then it moves into larceny
Larceny is just an arcane word for stealing a physical object (as opposed to embezzlement or fraud). Many states such as South Carolina have removed larceny from their legal lexicon because it is almost entirely redundant with "theft". Many more states such as Ohio have had pushes to do the same that ultimately went no where because it would have required too extensive of a rewrite of the state legal code.
🤣
He should have just ranked all the lawyers in all the Law & Order shows in a separate video.
This.
He did but it's on his curiosity stream paid content. And I've never been more tempted to pay even just for a month just to watch that. Wanna make sure Claire gets at least A tier.
Objection! Why is Kim Weller of “Better Call Saul” not ranked? She’s top-tier!
For that matter, how about Howard “Hamlindigo Blue” or tight-ass, fuss-budget Chuck McGill from the same show?
These omissions are unconscionable. Get out of my courtroom.
Kim Wexler
"I have appeared in most courts in this state, sometimes even as a lawyer." Oh, and "Denny Crane!"
Lionel Hutz : Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog.
Marge : You did?
Lionel Hutz : Well, replace the word "kinda" with the word "repeatedly," and the word "dog" with "son."
This channel has been getting better and better!
I think we should thank how despite his age he tried to learn memes and trends and what's popular amongst young people, while still keeping it on topic.
I was hoping to see the chicken lawyer from Futurama. I know how badly he'd be ranked, I just wanted to hear you discuss the merits of a space chicken as a lawyer.
Why badly? Despite his un-lawyeresque behavior he was pretty competent, so he's gonna get a B-tier or maybe C-tier
@@turkishjanitor3666Except for that time he was in jail awaiting a hearing for that thar in-comp-o-tence.
@@turkishjanitor3666he might be downranked because of confusing witnesses for corn, and being easily startled by the possibility of badgers being about.
You are my favourite TV lawyer!
I had my lawyer on retainer just in case Jack McCoy didn’t make S Tier.
Great video!
Jack's the best
@@Crowelephant Peacock puts a bunch of L&O clips on RUclips, and since SVU has gone on much longer than the Coke Classic, you'd be shocked by how many people would disagree with you. However, you are correct.
@@emperornortoni2871
I mean, I wasn't even saying it in a ranking kind of way, just that I like the character. Like how people say "Cheetos are the best" or "Everything is the worst."
Absolutely. Shame he makes DA in the show, nothing beat seeing him in a court room.
McCoy was better than Stephanie March. Always.
Objection: Where is Matt Murdoch (Daredevil), and that dude from bull.
You litterally read my mind
i was waiting for Bull to pop up also. after 3 seasons one would expect a video about them.
Daredevil is a movie and this is tv series list.
@@LuisXGP Daredevil had a Netflix TV series, that was, frankly, much better than the movie.
Speaking of Netflix Original comic book inspired lawyers, where's Charlotte Richards (Lucifer)?
I think the fact that Saul Goodman is unscrupulous makes him S tier. He'll do anything and everything to get his clients off...that's a lawyer anyone would want!
Wild to me that he didn’t mention Phoenix Wright’s special ability of seeing someone’s lies. Wright is virtually undefeated, and has the most passion of any lawyer on this list. The only thing keeping Wright down is his lack law knowledge. But he more than makes up for it with his team tactics, logical reasoning, and adaptability. A Tier minimum
Nah
Yeah he undersold Phoenix here
He won against a dictator who kept rewriting the law on the spot
Do you have Eric Dubay. You can't have a legitimate facts and science chanel without Eric Dubay. It's just reality.
You Need to Crazy to believe he has any tactics, critical thinking and adaptability. He completely deserved the F tier spot
Lionel Hutz:
Weakness: Repeatedly ran over a judge's son, and likes to downplay it.
“This guy has no law experience at all.”
“I’ll put them in B tier.”
I still am genuinely baffled by that.
I think that being inexperienced isn't held against them as much as being bad. Reason being, all lawyers start at some level of inexperience.
its probably just a massive meme like this entire list
@@RickJaeger fair point.
Why ? The best lawyer on the list is literally an unfrozen caveman !
Before this video I had never seen a tier list with E as a tier. And he didn’t even use it 😂
E tier is never used(unspoken rule)
Why display it as if it would be used if it is never supposed to be used.? It's illogical and incredibly distracting.
LegalEagal is Ryan Reynolds best character, yet. Glad he's branching out.
Was low key searching for this comment 😂😂😂😂
I would love to see LegalEagle's take on Atticus Finch and To Kill a Mockingbird, curious on a real Lawyer's take
That'd be awesome, literary lawyers
There was also a To Kill a Mockingbird movie. I watched it back in High School and it was quite good.
@@webbowser8834 The movie is a little different than the book (the film focuses more on the theme of racism over the book's gender identity), but the plot is basically scene for scene, aside from a few minor scenes that don't alter the overall impact of the film or book. Harper Lee (the author) loved the movie so much she refused any proposals for a remake and her wishes in her legacy was for no remakes to be made.
@@KateandBree Understandable frankly, having both read the book and watched the movie, the movie is extremely well done.
@@webbowser8834 Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch is *chef's kiss* I literally cannot think of someone better than Gregory Peck.
Fun fact: in German, “Tierzoo” literally means “animal zoo,” which is redundant but somehow still sounds like an actual German word.
Gotta prepare things for the german robot overlords.
yeah nobody would say that tho :P
Zoo? sure. Tierpark? also. but Tierzoo isn't a thing.
Bauminterkontinentalrakete also translates to "tree ICBM", and it's arguable whether that makes it a word :P
@@nonchip I know it’s not a word. But it reminds me of actual German words like Glasvitrine, Vogelvoliere, Speisekartoffel, Außenfassade, Haarfriseur, Pulsschlag, Zukunftsprognose… shall I go on?
someone comments that on every reaction to tierzoo ever
Well tbf, there were people zoos in the past. Where Europeans brought back 'natives' for people to gaze at in fear and wonderment.
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now and Tier Zoo for even longer. Watching you two colab was fantastic. All your stuff is gold DJ, but this is my favorite episode so far!
I’m not even a lawyer and I could tell Annalise wasn’t actually good at her job. How? The script kept telling me how amazing/ perfect/ badass she was at her job. That, and she had first years handle her cases, then scolded them when they messed up, which is to be expected since they’re FIRST YEARS.
I watched like.... 4 episodes of that show? Maybe 5. And then I missed a week, and never felt the desire to catch up with it, so I let it drop. It... wasn't a good show.
Yeah, that's clearly *E tier* at best.
As a law student, that show was hard to watch because of the inaccuracies and she was a terrible lawyer.
LegalEagle finding ways to collab with people I would never think he would
collab with.
I thought the same thing! I love it!
I love when he just randomly shows up in someone's video essay lmao
Still waiting on a collab with lock picking lawyer
linus tech tips next
@@richardtickler8555 would watch
If Saul Goodman just falls short of S tier, then Kim Wexler should definitely get it!
She's everything Jimmy thinks he wants to be.
Yeah if I needed a TV lawyer to defend me she would easily be my number 1 choice.
@@Fe22234 idk Man depends on how deep of a shit hole I'm in, if I'm in too deep I better call saul.
First of all; how dare you?
I think she'd lose a point for neglecting her bank clients in favor of pro bono cases despite promising them they'd be her sole priority. Or the time she collaborated with the opposition to sabotage her clients' business expansion.
I'd legitimately like a lawyer game where you build your case before the trial
Objection: Phoenix Wright's fighting ability should be much higher, as shown in Marvel vs Capcom 3.
Though, my memory may be off, but doesn’t he get disbarred for falsifying evidence in the Apollo Justice games? If so that totally outweighs any gains in the fighting ability stat lmao
@@snuffysam Haven't played the apollo justice games, can't confirm
@@dokkisse9075 ok I just checked the wiki, he did present false evidence but he apparently didn’t know it was false (not particularly helpful to his score as a lawyer either way) and because of that he was “stripped of his attorney’s badge” which is ace attorney’s way of saying he was either suspended or disbarred.
@@snuffysam so basically he aint allowed to be a lawyer
He's talking about anime!Phoenix.
"Oh! Ranking fictional lawyers! This should be fun!"
"Phoenix Wright is F-Tier-"
*silently turns off computer and walks into the ocean...*
Agreed. He could've put him up higher in E. D at most tbh
Matt Murdock? Special Ability: Dare-Devil. Midling fight ability due to _being_ Dare-Devil.
Objection: Daredevil doesn't have a hyphen. Move to strike.
It's strange that Matt Murdock was left out. He's covered Daredevil before.
Then She-Hulk is going to have to be S-Tier.
@@Vesperitis she got a rapist out of jail and then beat him to a plub afterwards when he confessed to her. Thanos brother has a aura around him that makes people like him and makes people agree with him. He said I can't turn it off to she hulk
Or at the very least put Foggy Nelson on the list. He's consistently shown to be excellent at his job as a lawyer, even when standing in Matt's shadow.
I just love that you have your pop culture knowledge updated. 😃
*Immediately puts Phoenix at F tier*
So you have chosen violence
Remember he's talking about Phoenix right from the anime not game series
@@sergeantguy4404 anime phoe wri still never lost a case even if it’s sheer luck by the way he succeeds
Phoenix Wright was always overrated
@@sergeantguy4404 It's the same thing. Phoenix is a terrible lawyer.
I see you wisely avoided wording this in a criminal way. Nice
Kim Wexler S-tier easily. Hardest working attorney on earth, insanely smart, brilliant con-woman who successfully bends the law for her clients. Does tons of pro bono work, sticks up for the little guy even when they're guilty. She tells a home-invading cartel sociopath to get his shit together and leave her alone...and he was convinced!
Yeah not seeing Kim is what sent me to the comments!
I'm 99% sure Eli Stone was only mentioned because his name was Stone.
IMO Jeff Winger is deserving of S-Tier, he can convince anyone of literally anything. The proof is in the scene where he convinces the group that having Chang in the group is better than Rich. And his entire argument is that because they KNOW how terrible of a person Chang is, he must be better than Rich, who's more perfect than humanely possible and therefore hiding something. His closing statement puts it perfectly:
"I only know one thing, nobody is this good a person (Rich), and no one can get worse than this (Chang)."
And once he convinced an arson victim they liked it getting burned
And in the dark timeline that Annie should be let out of Greendale insane asylum just by the fact that it's a crime to lock up something so beautiful
It's also claimed multiple times throughout the show that Jeff has never lost a case. He should at least be in A tier
The fact that he faked his law degree and his law firm failed in Season 5 would probably be held against him. Maybe B-tier.
@@jordansweet8054 probably a lot of good lawyers have had failed firms. The fact he was able to dupe people into believing he was a lawyer (by being good at being lawyer) is a massive boon.
You spend the whole commentary talking about how Harvey and Mike are actually awful, then put them in B tier. My brain is confused by this contradiction.
I'm pretty sure he actually does think they're good lawyers. Iirc in his suits video, he praises them quite a bit.
He said Harvey is not a good Trial Lawyer, which is kinda the point of Harvey. He settles, because there is so much you can control in a trial, with the judge and jury and witnesses. Settling makes sure you don’t lose, in a trial you can lose big time. Ans for Mike, Mike was like that (if you watched the show, you’d know why), but later he knew everything, because, yeah, photographic memory and he was also really smart.
@@unknown3158 I watched the show. I'm familiar with the characters. My point was a B tier ranking is inconsistent with the fact that he said nothing positive about them at all.
@@crazypomp927 Yeah, you are right. I forgot to mention that it was probably because of that why they got B, but LegalEagle forgot to mention it too.
You guys must have watched newer Harvy Birdman episodes than I have.
“He never lost a trial”
*OBJECTION!* Lionel lost the case against Freddy Quimby
And he lost when representing the Simpsons against Me. Burns after Bart was hit by Burns car.
You're correct, BUT Liones Hutz is the most affordable option of them all.
@@malarie-susangold9259 It's worth noting that he only lost due to Marge Simpson basically throwing the case. Also, after that he advised them to take the settlement of $0. Unless he was paid a lump sum, that would be less money for him, and it shows integrity that he advised they take it anyway.
@@danpattyboucher523 He took the case, and Homer won it. That counts as a victory. Marge isn't even a lawyer!
@@danpattyboucher523 Yeah I think all of wins execpt for the "All You Can Resturant" were won by one of the Simpsons i.e. bart and lisa got Sideshow Bob to confess on the stand, Bart found the animation cell which proofed Chester created Itchy and Scratchy.
Objection: Hutz abandons Homer during the trial with the devil, as well as loses during Marge in chains.
Ahh yes and she gets prison for petty theft
did they get a free pizza?
Didn't he also represent the Simpsons when burns ran over bart? Cause they lost that case
Also he lost in the episode “Burn’s Heir”
Im fact all most of his lost cases were against burns
OBJECTION: Perry Mason did indeed represent guilty clients (unknown when he took the case). The first time was in "The Case of the Terrified Typist" in the shows first season.
Also, what about Franklin & Bash or The Grinder?
In the first Perry Mason book not only is his client guilty, but she also framed him for murder. The Perry Mason moment is getting her to confess, and then he goes and gets her out of it anyway.
**Anxiously waits for Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer**
**Sees rating**
LEGIT LIST, MY DUDE.
I still want you to react to a full episode of Boston Legal. Honestly, it's one of the most amazing and weirdly underrated shows I've ever seen. Denny Crane and Alan Shore are two of the best characters in television.
Shatner got a few well deserved Emmies for the part
Preach!
Denny Crane and Alan Shore are one of the best bromances in television history.
Sleepover? Legendary duo.
I wanna lobby for Jeff Winger to get moved up solely based on the fact that he had tons of people convinced for a long time that he was actually a lawyer before he got caught and was forced to going to Greendale. Not only that but he was apparently pretty good before he was outed by his buddy- dudes got some solid lawyer skills whether he passed the bar or not lol
I was really hoping to see rankings for Honey Chandler (Mimi Rogers), Harry Bosch's lawyer, and
Dan Fielding (John Larroquette) of Night Court
Gotta love Dan
I am watching a grown man, with an actual law degree, place fictional lawyers on a tier ranking chart.
RUclips is a strange place.
It’s always good that we examine and compare fiction and reality, so that we better understand both, and the differences between them.
Hope on the extended version he got the lawyers from “Night Court”
I came here to see if he had Dan Fielding on the list. John Larroquette has played so many lawyers in his life at least one of them should be mentioned!
I loved this show growing up.
@@adrianaheiler9794 And he got a Cricket bat from the Queen of England (Reference to The West Wing)
@@mikejackson4643 and he was so looking forward to his vacation. Drinks with tiny umbrellas! 😁😉
@@adrianaheiler9794 Shishkabob!
Need to go old school: Rumpole of the Bailey. Definitely S tier.
YES!!
Welp, you just explained the joke for me with Runkle of the Bailey (real Canadian lawyer out of Alberta.)
It'd be neat to see some international flavour on the channel - Rumpole's an obvious choice, and maybe some lesser-known legends like the two lawyers from classic Australian flick 'The Castle'.
Devin might need to engage with lawyers from those jurisdictions in order to fully appreciate the lawyering on display, though.
"it's Mabo, it's the vibe"
I was looking for this.
Objection, your honor!
Saul Goodman needs to be entered as S-tier lawyer! You forgot to mention, that he has absolutely the best TV-commercials that money can't buy!
And yes, your honor, I have called Saul already.
This is great. I love that Marshall Erikson is S Tier, he is genuinely a great lawyer and in a flash-forward we see that he actually becomes a Supreme Court Justice for the State of New York. I would've loved to see Matt Murdock and Laurel Lance on this list, but I suppose you can't cover everybody.
Yeah I watched the video to see either Matt or Laurel
Why do you think he's genuinely a great lawyer?
In New York, the Supreme Court is the lowest level state court. Justices are elected.
I haven't seen How I Met Your Mother in a long time, but I'm surprised that I managed to completely forget how he was a lawyer.
He has used other HIMYM clips in his videos, but this made me convinced that he has seen every single episode more then once and is a big fan.
Objection! In the episode “Basic Lupine Urology”, we get to see Jeff Winger’s lawyering skills first-hand, and he ultimately wins the case of the murdered yam.
Annie did most of the work. Even the talking. She got an innocent man to confess to a crime he didn't commit. The way she did it wouldn't work in real court, but Jeff was on the sidelines.
He also won, or at least achieved a positive outcome for Britta at the Olympic pool's judging table in Advanced Criminal Law. And under special skills, surely always knowing what to say and when to slap the table should be recognised as the innate skill that it is
Didn’t he also convince an arson victim he preferred his house on fire
And "He convinced a judge to dismiss five years of back taxes by getting him to agree that [a stripper] humping an American flag to "Back in Black" was not stripping but actually not for profit performance art!"
Marshall's special ability is to yell "lawyered" 😂
And he aced the slaptitude test
I don't know if I saw every episode of Perry Mason but, I did see a lot. There was one episode where his client was guilty and he did get a confession from her while she was on the stand.
His special skill is actually getting the guilty person into the courtroom so they can confess.
Nobody in the E tier on this list, which makes the F tier all the lonelier....
Right?
It's like they're so bad that the F tier was made just for them 🤣
I assume they're on the extended version.
E tier is a fake tier.
@@DanielLCarrier Nope, E is empty so far
you did not account for the special power of "winger speech"
D Tier for Jeff Winger
"Look how they massacred my boy!"
He even knows when to slap the table! S tier minimum
Let's not forget matrix level paintball skills.
ikr ? no special abilities?!
I imagine Devin dressing up in a fine Indochino suit on his days off, logging into Twitch, and streaming something classy like Legend of Zelda or Goldeneye
Should have done Louis Litt too.
And after going after Mikes inexperience, you didn't actually think to mention that he didn't graduate from any law school and had his name added to the bar after working as an associate at Pearson Hardman (Pearson/Pearson Darby/Pearson Darby Specter/Pearson Specter/Pearson Specter Litt) just in case somebody came after him after people already came after him and didn't check if he was educated or qualified in any way.
And that law firm has changed name so much that is brings up the question about if you continue to replace things, until what point is the same law firm?
Can’t believe he missed kyle’s dad from South Park lol
Or south parks version of Johnnie Cochran
It does not make sense.
Jack McCoy deserves his own tier - S+. He's just that good.
I’ll allow it, but watch yourself, McCoy…
S-tier is already a stupid concept, so S+ is more stupider!
The plus is for his boyish charm
Actually, that would be tier SS
Well, I saw that E wasn't taken, so move the ones in D to E, C to D, ... Leave McCoy in S.
I’d like to see where Rebecca from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend ranks
Edit: I’d mistakenly callen her Rachel; that’s the actress. My error.
I think you mean Rebecca?😆
Me too, but I don't know if Rebecca does enough trial lawyering to count for this
@@wanderingowl6386 There IS the greater city water trial in season one...Can YOU hear a trickling sound?
@@wanderingowl6386 You never really see a lot of Marshall Erikson at work, either. If he's in the office, you don't see him at trial that often, if at all
I would've given Jeff Winger an A. How often does your lawyer have a degree from a community College? Or win a trial against Subway? Or teach law at said community College?
No Nelson & Murdock?
Also, I wonder if you would consider Doctor Who: Trial of a Time Lord for a video.
Objection! Nelson, Murdock and Page...
@@rogueviking9268 overruled. Karen isn't a lawyer.
@@aman541 That hasn't aired yet.
Oh s…t he forgot!!
Trial of a Time Lord is over five and a half hours long though.
Would’ve been wonderful to see Ron LaFlamme and Pete Monohan from Silicon Valley ranked!
Yesss Ron is like the chillest lawyer I’ve ever seen lol
"Can I be honest with you Richard?"
"Uh, Ron, you're my lawyer!"
I would have loved to.see Perry's most notable Rival, Hamilton.Burger, ranked.
Also; when's Legal Eagle gonna cover Silicon Valley? :-D
Most of the series is worth scrutiny but, if we can only get one episode, it ourght be The Patent Troll.
@@alm2187 As someone who studied law, I can say that the show is actually painstakingly accurate. They even throw in some offhand jokes only a lawyer would understand.
I feel like there would be a riot if Jack McCoy wasn't S.
As there should be.
I would have found a way to burn down the channel, yes.
I was waiting for Jack to make his appearance.
Jack McCoy is who made me want to me an attorney as a child, so I would throw a Molotov cocktail in his name, absolutely.
I was on pins and needles.
Phoenix Wright: constantly has to be bailed out by the ghost of his old boss, who'd only led _two_ cases before dying.
8:42
Photographic memory imo is a better skill for the Detective class rather than the Lawyer class.
All he has to do is read actual law books and he would immediately be S tier
True. Just ask Shawn Spencer.
Okay but Winger destroyed the case of the yam and Shirley vs Pierce
Yeah Winger was a mis-tier for sure.
A)he had a law degree, it was his bachelor's that was fake. He was suspended until he fixed that problem.
B)he was a successful DUI defense attorney before being snitched out by Alan.
C)his special ability is persuasiveness. The reason the group didn't always listen is cause they knew him well. This is evidenced in the favy that he became less able to influence them as the show went on. A courtroom wouldn't know him so well so his persuasiveness would work wonders as it did in the past.
D)his practice failed because he wanted to be a better person. He wasn't using his special ability correctly nor his killer instinct.
The fact that so many unethical attorneys made A tier shows that Jeff should have been higher. At his most unethical, he was A tier for sure, B at the very least. I could be OK with C tier at the least as a final rank and that's only because he did fall a notch in what he'd do to win after Greendale.
His crowning achievement for me will always be the time when he turned a racist accusation back at the black guy who accused him in ten seconds.
@@Vesperitis I forgot about that lol
The world wasn't the only thing that changed on september 11th...
@@Mewse1203 I would also like to add, Jeff's practice failed because Abed refused to put his actual phone number on his TV commercial which severely affected his ability to acquire clients.
man I would love to see him play the ace attorney games
Wow! This tier list was a mouthful!
Yes more to this. Please do this again for film lawyers.
Tom cruise and Kevin bacon from a few good men
Lenny is S tier
I'm guessing you'd put Cousin Vinnie in S Tier?
@@PhilBoswell Vinnie is C at best. He didn't know about disclosure, proper objections, or dress codes.
Lol ytube only tells me now that people liked/speculated on this. I wanba hear people's S tiers.
Perry Mason should get bonus points for having Ozzy write a song about him.
Denny Crane! You forget his special skill: winning an argument by just saying his own name.
Denny Crane!
and that he captained his own star ship.
And he never lost a case.
LOL!!
@LegalEagle I just wanted to say that I have been watching your LegalEagle channel for couple years. And I really enjoy what you're doing here. For people who are interested to learn more about law as hobby but never went into the life path into law, this content is really great. I sometimes lean too much on fictional entertainment to learn how things work in the real world but it's true that one cannot lean on fiction for this. You fill this niche gap. you tell us like it is , without having to hire and pay a lawyer huge money for their time. You make this knowledge available to the masses and empower them to know some of their rights and laws. And you are building a public persona that appears to be ethical and have alot of law knowledge . The suits you wear are also a delight to see with varying color schemes. Kudos to your wardrobe designer or you whoever does it.
Thanks so much for your content.
For your awareness of who is writing this, I'm a software product owner/business analyst and former software engineer. And I always wondered how I would do as a lawyer being extroverted, passionate, and smart enough to learn and apply problem solving skills to lawyer in a case. Anyway thank you so much for your insights on every RUclips video.
LegalEagle, please reply that you read this.
“Lawful Neutral” … someone knows their way around a polyhedral die!
@@expertoflizardcorrugation3967 Me too, it's easily in my top 9.
"Roll for Initiative!!"
I feel like there are way more than 23 TV lawyers.
I'd love to see a Courtroom Drama/Comedy spin-off of HIMYM called "Marshal Law"
There already is a show by that name (well, "Martial" Law) so it might be confusing
I never watched the show and even *I* want to see that!
Best part is they could bounce around the time line too, from when he was a lawyer to when he was a judge
You clearly had fun making this video... Good for you! :)
Denny Crane has never lost a case. He clearly deserved S tier.
Denny Crane!
That Minuteman Uniform Scene
Man isn't this just the biggest crossover ever.
LawPickingLawyer and LegalEagle crossover be like:
nahhh, tierzoo and legaleagle are my two favorite professionals on youtube, the latter having more credentials obviously
Well, top tier crossover, for sure. But not straight-up broken, like Tom Scott with Legal Eagle and Jay Foreman in the RUclips copyright system video.
Nah, the biggest crossover ever would be JoCat with LegalEagle
Objection: Lionel Hutz has lost majority of his cases. One example is Marge’s shoplifting case. The only reason that many of his cases shown in episodes are won are because of the Simpson children. My ranking: S Tier.
He went toe to toe with the devil and won, but it was due to Marge pointing out the vows that Homer wrote for her.
He somehow got Bart declared Mr. Burns' biological son in a trial for custody while representing Homer. That's failing so badly you break physics.
Blue-Haired Lawyer wipes the floor with him
@@phanatic215 I don't think Lionel Hutz can be credited with winning the case against the Devil, seeing as he deserted his client in the beginning of his opening statement. If anyone could be said to have represented Homer at the time of the ruling, it was Marge.
If you do a part 2, I would love to see where you put Diane Lockhart from The Good Wife / The Good Fight on this list
I think that Phoenix Wright should get at least some credit for his spectacular trial record in a court system heavily stacked against him. Of the cases we know he has taken, he currently stands at 26-3-1, and one of those losses was later overturned.
3? Were there cases where the defendant wasn't guilty or innocent?
@Ginger in a Jacket Those losses were one where the defendant was guilty, one which later got overturned, and one civil case where he represented the plaintiff and the court found in favor of the defendant. The one "tie" was a case where a verdict was never reached due to the defendant disappearing.
How do you get 26 wins? I count 5 from game 1, 3 from game 2, 3 from game 3, 0 from game 4, 4 from game 5 (including 5-DLC), and 5 from game 6 (including 6-DLC, counting the 6-3 victims separately) for a total of 20. I'm pretty sure PL vs PW is an AU, so those cases wouldn't count.
@@jrtrct9097 1-4 and 3-2 both have two trials for two crimes, and in both cases, Phoenix wins both. I count the crossover as canon, taking place between 3-2 and 3-3, and filling a plot hole in the latter.
@@davidguthary8147Not to mention that the other "loss" was intentionally losing a case he was coerced into taking
Objection: This rating system is greatly biased against video game characters. All video game characters are being rated against what happens when a player controls them rather than canonically through their story narratives. As such, I have to declare that this video is subject to medium bias and therefore invalid as a point of comparison.
Objection: This tier list is incomplete. There is no E Rank.
I thought so too. The slot is there, but he doesn't fill it😐