When you said: I’m a perfectionist and started using the correct tools to make the template...you sold me brother! I’m a huge fan of your work now. Hooyah!!!
Wow, a lot has changed in 8 years. Although this video is still applicable today, your delivery of the information and the production of your newer videos show how hard you have worked on craft. And I'm not talking about just the technical side, you have really become a professional that I have turned too many times when I've got questions. Thanks for all you do Mark!
This is hands down the best how to video out there for this process. It seems like common sense but few people realize even sound dampening takes planning. Good job Mark!
It's nice to see someone actually take that time and professionalism into installing sound deadener! I myself am OCD and take it to the extreme of neatness as u did, were I see people who think they do great work but no where near that level. Awesome video!!!
Awesome video. Very rare that anyone does work to this high a standard, and even more rare to watch it being done. I've actually done almost this exact procedure on several cars and have always been too picky about my installs to let anyone else touch them. A little more age and several back surgeries will likely keep me from taking my future systems to these lengths again, but it's great to see a real installer that I'd actually trust with my car. Bravo, sir! You've gained a fan!
His attention to detail was great, when he took some tough up paint to cover the exposed metal on the drill holes, I was asking myself what stereo shop installer would take the time to do that?
The video was very helpful. It's tough to find tutorials that show this side of car audio at all, yet alone doing it very well. I'll definitely be attempting this process in the future with this video as a reference. Thank you.
Its been a week and I have finally got everthing installed :D! Did everything you did mark to my doors and MY GOD I CAN DEF HEAR THE MIDBASS ALOT MORE!! Going to order more material to dampen my rear doors! Thanks for the upload :)
Dude , you sir are the MAN ! I once I stalled over 80sqft of raamat and about 30 of ensolite in my 2005 Altima , roof doors rear deck and trunk , even removed the back bumper and did allot of work there(it really needed it ) 2005 Altima rattles like hell ! But man , your work far exceeds mine ! im looking to do this to my 2013 maxima , you my friend have really helped me out with all these videos. SUBSCRIBED !
I usually find random install videos etc annoying to watch for some reason, but you're pretty good. I like how you're not trying to be funny like everyone seems to think they need to be, and you speak very clearly, in an easy to follow way
Having used a variety of different sound deadeners, I to am sold on Second Skin. I find that I get better results using a rubber J-Roller than a wooden roller. To each his own.
I've done exactly this to my e46 doors. First I cut a hole in the metal behind where the speaker will sit on its mdf baffle then i fully covered the outer skin with Silent Coat and egg box foam behind the speaker. I then 'fabricated' a panel to fill the gap using clear 3mm PVC, it doesn't look anywhere near as pro as here but it does work. I covered it front and back with Silent Coat and used self tapping screws to attach it to the door, I used 6mm foam and tape around the edge to seal them and it seems to work fine. After getting everything back together and working I was properly amazed at how much the sound quality had improved, particularly the midbass, for an e46 without building expensive fibreglass pods it really kicks, there is a real genuine punch to the sound. One thing I wasn't expecting is that I found I didn't need to turn the volume up as loud as before when listening, it's strange because I haven't (yet) treated any of the other panels. I've done the boot but that was before and other than stopping the rattles I didn't notice any difference in sound like treating the doors made. It's a lot of fun this car audio lark but it can get wildly out of control I've observed if you have the money. The only problem now is that I need to finish up my new sub box to match the new improved sounds.
Amazing. So much work and so well executed. You rock. I am glad that a Golf IV door does not have these "80s" vape membranes but instead is sealed with a metal sheet and saves a lot of work
Definitely the most professional car audio channel on the internet. although it’s extremely expensive to do these install with proper tools but it’s a great guideline. Keep it up cause I’m hooked “pun intended”
Nice job Mark, it's nice to see someone who takes pride in their work as you do, that is something that is hard to find these days. Awesome job on the video as well. Thanks for taking the time to teach us this cool trick.
Tim datoolman Your welcome, glad you enjoyed it, do me a favor and slam that like button and share with those who may be interested in learning this as well!
My last car had a lot of deadener on the doors. If I was parked pointed down hill, the girl in the passenger seat would always get yanked out of the car as she tried to hold onto the door lol
@@mrpotat680 Street racers who like sound systems in their cars. If you spend thousands on performance engine parts, yer not gonna want to drive around with a factory radio.
I’m getting old, I have always been into high end audio but with the circumstances of the last 10 years haven’t paid attention to what is new. I remember when about the best an average guy could do for a car stereo system was getting a great pair of 6 by 9s in the package tray and some 6 1/2 inch coaxial in the front doors, the a cassette tape deck with a power booster, lol! They sounded good for the time and I remember a pair of Altec Lansing 6 by 9s that came along that really bumped, it would rattle my rear view mirror but also the sheet metal in the 1970 Camaro, I tried tape at first but then I found some foam insulation panels that had a foil covering on one side, it was about an inch thick and I ended up using some calk to stick it to the bottom side of the package tray, I also covered the backside of the rear seat area and I was amazed at how much noise it eliminated. Later in the 90s when stereos were getting much better, they came out with the dynamat and it helped with the rattles but after watching this video, I am completely amazed at the level you have taken it to, that is a lot of work and it shows. I’ll bet the sound difference is incredible, I’m surprised that you were able to refit the door panel with the thickness of the materials you used. It would take a lot of patience to do that work and constantly running into different types of doors and their unique challenges. I know that the end result is worth the effort, just withthe elimination of road noise would make it worth it but for the acoustic improvement, it would make even just average equipment sound lots better. I’m sure having this done at a shop would be very expensive. I could see being asked how much did your system cost, and me answering, the head unit, amp and speakers were only $300 but the sound deafening and install was $3500. Worth it at half the price, if your going to do it go big or go home!
Wow!! You did a great job. You addressed everything. I wonder what it sounded like before compared to what it sounded like afterwards. I bet it was,a night and day difference. Keep the great videos coming.
I never heard anyone say to put Great stuff in a family car and drive as normal.I saw wheel barrow ,lawn and garden tractor dry cracked, unrepairable tires.Too enferr hiway and citystreets with other cirizens is amazing on your part.This is a great idea.One in every crowd yes,this guy made a vid to prove it.A true left fielder on a good day you got my vote
Mark, you're amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and the presentation is so well done. It makes it easy for us to follow along at home.
Coming into this 9 years after posting. 9 years ago, I was very into car audio, and I probably had this in my feed back then. I've been out of the game for quite a while & Im getting back into the hobby. This video is still applicable & very informative! Love how you explain everything!
Same here brother!! Just got a 2014 explorer with low miles I'm about to go all out on lol, first vehicle I've owned that's able to run a serious system. What are your build plans?
Might have been more effective to use a decibel meter and recorded decibels during transit and then again after you applied sound deadening to see how much quieter the cabin really is. And an oscilloscope to get your frequency response before and total harmonic distortion measurement before and after that way you've got scientific evidence of how good this stuff is and mid bass/harmonic improvements... BTW I'm not hating (I hit the like button) really enjoyed the video just some constructive criticism you've got great construction skills
mdove89 I am working on collecting some of the data collecting instruments you mention. But as you are well aware they cost $. This is why I need the support through my Patreon page, so that I can pick up things like this and help others learn more. For now I have to rely upon my ear and the noticeable improvements.
@@hotwheels1838 wonder how another product would work,say for example ice and water shield use on shingle roofs between wood and shingles..hell of alot cheaper
@@basicdr He doesn't say anything about knowing or not knowing how to DIY. Just says he wishes he had cash to pay for a job like this ( turn him loose ) like, money would be no object, if he had it.
I am really happy you make these videos! They set the bar for some of the highest quality car audio builds out there. BUT, sometimes I feel that they are so over the top that they are practically useless for the amount of effort I want to put into my project.
Then don't do it. Let your car be a rattle box, obviously your more interested in entertaining the general public than listening to music. Problem solved.
Rick Stalker yeah no this actually makes a difference. But it really does depend on your hearing sensitivity and love of quality sound. Some people run straight pipes for exhaust and strip interior, some people do the opposite. Personal goals and preference.
WOW, way to take it to the next level!!! most people would have just slapped some sound dampener overtop of where ever they could and called it "good enough"... and that makes a huge difference, but I can only imagine how amazing all that extra stuff will help... nice job mark, I look forward to seeing more vids of yours, I always learn something every time I watch one of your vids :)
You are the God of the sound my friend! You are genius! I'm your bigest fan!! Thanks for sharing your experiences and teaching us to solve this kind of problems!!!
Felipe de Sousa Haha I am far from as good as some guys are, but I am doing my best to learn a ton and share my knowledge with you guys, any help you can give me to share this video with others on the web is a big help!
For amateurs or people looking to keep things simple, the gist of the process to improve mids/mid-bass in the door speakers is to sound-dampen the door to reduce wasted energy through the metal frame and seal off any big holes as best as possible to create an enclosure effect which will help build up the bass through resonant frequencies and drive them through the woofer cone, making for a fuller low-end listening experience. CAF uses higher end materials and tools but just sealing off the port with something like rubber would be a big improvement as you'll get some measure of the enclosure effect. Plastic would work too, though you're going to need to cut it and thin plastic isn't much better than just covering the open holes with construction paper - you're going to get minimal returns. Make sure you use the foam wrap around the speaker as well as seen in the video so that you get better direction of audio. Some car doors will have speakers with little isolation and that noise can easily transfer out, which makes sealing off the door gaps even more important as that's sound bleed that isn't coming to your ears. In fact, it's traveling through the frame and outside of your car. You get the added bonus of better heat/cool air isolation and less road noise. If you have a loud engine in your vehicle, like a Mustang GT's V8 which can get intrusive and you wanna dampen it a bit, look at using sound deadening materials on your dashboard, though mosts purists won't wanna contain the sound of a great engine such as the one found in a GT. This is mostly for more whiney/rhaspy engines that don't sound good at idle or under duress.
Hey CarAudioFabrication (Matt) This is AMAZING! You're videos have inspired me to take my install to the next level. Did you find the Second Skin Luxury Liner Pro - 9 Square Feet single sheet was enough to do both doors? I'm only doing my front doors with this setup. I want to make sure cause shipping is expensive for me and don't want to have to re-order.
Just use a smaller proportion of everything and focus mainly on the area near the speaker, you won't get as good of results though, always a compromise...
to block sound you need dense, thin (very heavy) material so there's no way around it. To dissipate, adsorb or muffle sound you can just use acoustic foam which is light.
+AdrianC12345 I am about to begin my build on my Abarth as well. Do you have any mistakes that you learned from that you can pass along my way? I would really appreciate a heads up on what trouble areas (vibrations) you encountered. I would like to do as little re-work as possible. Thanks in advance.
Yeah, I was thinking that exact same thing and how to offset it, swap out my small block for a big block, the increased torque will help and it looks like my girlfriend is going to have to go, that would lose me enough weight to compensate for the sound deadening and the big block! :)
You my friend are a true PERFECTIONIST!!! I know that OCD is on 100 %!!! I will admit and thank you for all the time you spend to share your knowledge and skills. I will be using ALOT of these techniques in my own personal builds. Thank you again and keep sharing the videos. You are the real MVP!!!
This guy does fantastic work, but 99% of us can't afford to spend $300 per door just on tape and foam. Anyone ever just use duct tape or something similar to seal the holes? I would think that could improve midbass a tad.
+brown55061 I did a cheap door seal on my work vehicle, basically mdf/plywood over the holes, i didnt bother using a router and making the edges nice as it is never seen, function over form! You can also make it a little more waterproof with some varnish if you want. Instead of the damplifier, i used roofing flashing tape which a bitumen or butyl based adhesive tape that adds mass to the panels which is cheap from a diy store, and you can put on double thickness if you like. I used i to cover all the small holes in the panel with it, and line the inner door as much as you can. Basically seal all the holes and add weight. I also used some egg carton foam i had from packaging and glues it in the inner door behind the speaker, and made sure i had a ring of flashing tape behind the speaker mounting hole to stop it vibrating against the door panl and to create an air tight seal. I wouldnt bother with the mass loaded vinyl as it looks pretty difficult to put the door card back on. You basically want to seal the speaker so the back side is in a sealed enclosure with the wood and tape, and the sealed enclosure increases bass. Adding weight through the tape stops the panels vibrating, and you can address and rattles like they do on the clips and cables with some tape. The other thing i did was make speaker rings for mounting the speakers from the mdf, so my costs were low as it was some mdf and flashing tape. Hope this helps, it makes a huge difference, at a fraction of the cost. I think dust tape would be a little too flexible to create a good sealed enclosure, and wouldnt ass any weight to the panels. Plus you can use the flashing tape on floors, add sections to the roof to stop vibrations etc. The added bonus is on cheap doors, they now close with a reassuring thump like on a premium car.
I've used U-Seal on a car before and it helped. My problem now is both vehicles are black and I'm afraid the door panels will get too hot and that stuff will liquify and drip. I'll probably still try it and hope for the best. What I haven't figured out is how to get those nice foam rings for the front and rear of the speaker without buying actual speaker foam, which is probably 5X the price.
+brown55061 Just make sure you make it like a sealed enclosure for the back of the speaker and seal off the big gaps with mdf. If you want closed cell foam in the doors, try buying a camping mat, always cheap. Doubt it would be flexible enough to seal the speakers to the doorcards. Just keep your eyes open for packing foam in boxes, but my thoughts are it doesnt have much effect, the sound will filter through the speaker grille fine anyway, with not too much deflection down the door card. If you make mdf mounting rings, just adjust so the speaker sits close to the grille, the difference is made by sealing off the air between the front and back halves of the speaker, like a sub box would do.
Very Professional Installation. I assume this would be requested on high end cars as the installation costs are expensive. I normally just install the KilMat 80 mil with Noico 150 mil on top applied to any metal skin. The results are amazing!
If you are a professional doing work for customers taking pride in your work and paying this level of attention to detail, You will have repeat customers. Most people now just throw crap together and call it good because no one will see it behind the door panels. I do woodworking this way because I know its being done the right way.
This gave some ideas when I install my 6.5" door speakers next week. I'm not going to go all out with the sound deadening. I will be covering that big hole in the door to help with the bass response. I have to replace the drivers door window actuator and motor first.
mian fazle razik for real, it amazes me that they make and sell cars that have rattling interior doors and shit when you turn the music up a little, it’s like WTF! Cheap ass mother fuckers charging us an arm and a leg for overpriced fucking trash!
+CarAudioFabrication I know, I'm not criticising what your goal is, or complaining about anything. I was just pointing out something. If someone adds 10lbs of deadening and other things to each door, maybe another 15/20lbs to the rear trunk area, maybe some on the roof, on the floor of the car, maybe some people want to go the bonnet too. It can add up to maybe 80-100lbs. And on top of that add in the subs and the amps, processors and much more. It could be the difference between $30 a week fuel or maybe even $60 a week. So, I'm not criticising, just sharing information. 😅👍
your driving habbits are way more variable than a little bit of added mass. did you ever put a human sized passenger in your car and notice a change in fuel economy? fuel economy is 90% aero/rolling resistance anyhow. trust the engineer
i mean there is no room to criticise him, as whatever floats his boat as this is his hobby or craft. Avg Joe, it is very much overkill. not happy with the bass with my baffled Pioneer 6 1/2s but the highs and mids are alot better than stock obviously. its what a properly sealed non directional subwoofer solves and a turned eq...for which for me will be a later install.
Thanks a ton! Was thinking at work today that I needed to do something about my door speakers and here you are again with some great info. I appreciate all the vids you have posted, keep up the awesome work!
Mark that was some major totally awesome sweet action. I wished this would have been around sooner before I did my door panels in my 96 Ford Probe Se. Always much love and respect for you brotha basshead and friend.
Hey Mark..your work ethics, knowledge and skills are hopefully contagious to all mobile audio installers. Love your professionalism....quick question How would you prevent rust or water getting into door speakers?
very good video. I am wondering if sound deadening ONLY The Doors would make a Big difference in cabin noise reduction and sound improvement of speakers? I don't want to tear my interior apart, but I also don't want to go through the hassle if its not going to improve just deadening the doors. I have an 03 Lexus GX470. I figured from the factory its got good sound deadening already, but I want better, but noticeably better. what do you think???
That is the right way for a proper door panel SQ build, it's about the backwave of the speaker going into the vehicle cabin canceling not only the bass but also the mid-range, causing it to sound out of phase. Bass is solved by the plastic you apply, while mid can be solved by apply liner foam. There are hardcore methods which we use 3mm aluminium sheet instead of mdf or plastic, but to be sure some vehicle door panel has cup holder.
The main gain was seeing how it’s done and doing your own version of the demo. Not every shop will buy the most expensive product but at least customers can now see the best job performed so you don’t get hustled elsewhere.
I love the work and the interior audio engineering... But what about the weather engineering of the door? Seal the perimeter jam holes, speaker drip/rain shroud, an extra seal added to the outer jamb edges, maintaining your drainage holes, etc.? Just a thought, since you're into kicking it up a level! 😉
Beautifully detailed, caring workmanship, but if I could ever so humbly suggest, a few more bolts/screws on the internally champfered plastic cover is needed. As an aside, and yes I am biased, given my handle, it's very interesting coming across this as my 1988 E32 735i BMW has many of the different sound deadening materials you have in this vid in the kick panels, doors, B and C pillars, even tesa cloth tape wrapped on (some) attachment clips. Fascinating (to me). Anyway I'm happy to have come across this, thanks !
When you said: I’m a perfectionist and started using the correct tools to make the template...you sold me brother!
I’m a huge fan of your work now. Hooyah!!!
Wow, a lot has changed in 8 years. Although this video is still applicable today, your delivery of the information and the production of your newer videos show how hard you have worked on craft. And I'm not talking about just the technical side, you have really become a professional that I have turned too many times when I've got questions. Thanks for all you do Mark!
This is hands down the best how to video out there for this process. It seems like common sense but few people realize even sound dampening takes planning. Good job Mark!
It's nice to see someone actually take that time and professionalism into installing sound deadener! I myself am OCD and take it to the extreme of neatness as u did, were I see people who think they do great work but no where near that level. Awesome video!!!
jarhead0754 I wish the panel didn't already have sound deadener on it, then it would have been even more clean! Thanks for watching.
Taking pride in your work is not OCD..
Getting things done right is not ocd, i used to think i had it then i relized i just do things right
It looks amazing and amazingly expensive at the same time.
Yeah totally lol
yeah....i would just get a subwoofer instead lol.
Best comment I had read. PEOPLE TAKE NOTE...!!
I agree!
quella specie di chiave che utilizzi per poi fissare alla lamiera come si chiama ?
Awesome video. Very rare that anyone does work to this high a standard, and even more rare to watch it being done. I've actually done almost this exact procedure on several cars and have always been too picky about my installs to let anyone else touch them. A little more age and several back surgeries will likely keep me from taking my future systems to these lengths again, but it's great to see a real installer that I'd actually trust with my car. Bravo, sir! You've gained a fan!
TheOtts1 you took the words right out of my mouth! Excellent job
His attention to detail was great, when he took some tough up paint to cover the exposed metal on the drill holes, I was asking myself what stereo shop installer would take the time to do that?
How’s your age and back surgeries going?
In my opinion this is one of your best videos. They're all great but this was the most professional door panel I've seen
We agree with you, Second Skin For The Win!!!!
The video was very helpful. It's tough to find tutorials that show this side of car audio at all, yet alone doing it very well. I'll definitely be attempting this process in the future with this video as a reference. Thank you.
John Koetter Thanks for watching, glad that you enjoyed it, be sure to stay tuned in for more!
Its been a week and I have finally got everthing installed :D! Did everything you did mark to my doors and MY GOD I CAN DEF HEAR THE MIDBASS ALOT MORE!!
Going to order more material to dampen my rear doors! Thanks for the upload :)
Lucky you, you might have a garage to install all those stuff.. i live in a shared neighborhood where i park my car outside and everyone's passing by
@@niels2029 And?
Dude , you sir are the MAN ! I once I stalled over 80sqft of raamat and about 30 of ensolite in my 2005 Altima , roof doors rear deck and trunk , even removed the back bumper and did allot of work there(it really needed it ) 2005 Altima rattles like hell ! But man , your work far exceeds mine ! im looking to do this to my 2013 maxima , you my friend have really helped me out with all these videos. SUBSCRIBED !
+soopadoopa808 that raamat's gonna peel off :-( happened to mine. cant beat seckond skin, soundeadner showdown, dynamat, or hushmat.
Man, this guy is really good.
Thank you! Appreciate that.
and a total hottie! dude is beautiful!
I usually find random install videos etc annoying to watch for some reason, but you're pretty good. I like how you're not trying to be funny like everyone seems to think they need to be, and you speak very clearly, in an easy to follow way
Having used a variety of different sound deadeners, I to am sold on Second Skin. I find that I get better results using a rubber J-Roller than a wooden roller. To each his own.
+Anthony Guy Also, I hot glue my plastic tabs in so they don't vibrate. It's a cheap way out.
Dang... this is hardcore. Thanks for posting. This video is gold.
awesome work man, very few people would share their experience like yourself, greatly appreciated and keep up the good work!!!
I've done exactly this to my e46 doors. First I cut a hole in the metal behind where the speaker will sit on its mdf baffle then i fully covered the outer skin with Silent Coat and egg box foam behind the speaker.
I then 'fabricated' a panel to fill the gap using clear 3mm PVC, it doesn't look anywhere near as pro as here but it does work. I covered it front and back with Silent Coat and used self tapping screws to attach it to the door, I used 6mm foam and tape around the edge to seal them and it seems to work fine.
After getting everything back together and working I was properly amazed at how much the sound quality had improved, particularly the midbass, for an e46 without building expensive fibreglass pods it really kicks, there is a real genuine punch to the sound.
One thing I wasn't expecting is that I found I didn't need to turn the volume up as loud as before when listening, it's strange because I haven't (yet) treated any of the other panels. I've done the boot but that was before and other than stopping the rattles I didn't notice any difference in sound like treating the doors made.
It's a lot of fun this car audio lark but it can get wildly out of control I've observed if you have the money.
The only problem now is that I need to finish up my new sub box to match the new improved sounds.
If I got into an accident after doing all of this I'd go to prison for murdering the person who hit me
This/100
This is why I still have a bulk pack of Dynamat in my garage. This car isn’t sponge worthy
It happened to me a month ago
I bet you ain't lying either
jtdecker1 how many years they hit you with?
Amazing. So much work and so well executed. You rock.
I am glad that a Golf IV door does not have these "80s" vape membranes but instead is sealed with a metal sheet and saves a lot of work
Wow this was very impressive. You can always see when someone knows what they are doing and does quality work
Definitely the most professional car audio channel on the internet. although it’s extremely expensive to do these install with proper tools but it’s a great guideline. Keep it up cause I’m hooked “pun intended”
Nice job Mark, it's nice to see someone who takes pride in their work as you do, that is something that is hard to find these days. Awesome job on the video as well. Thanks for taking the time to teach us this cool trick.
Tim datoolman Your welcome, glad you enjoyed it, do me a favor and slam that like button and share with those who may be interested in learning this as well!
CarAudioFabrication Already "liked" the video and subed a month or so ago. Have a great day.
Quite possibly the best door sound deadening video I've seen to date. That tape trick is quite clever
That door must close like an F***in Vault door haha
gspunk29 BOOM! It does sound solid :) Haha
My last car had a lot of deadener on the doors. If I was parked pointed down hill, the girl in the passenger seat would always get yanked out of the car as she tried to hold onto the door lol
Might lose time on a 1/4 mile race with all that dead weight.
@@JERRYR708 idk anyone who activity drags race with a car that has subwoofers in it
@@mrpotat680 Street racers who like sound systems in their cars. If you spend thousands on performance engine parts, yer not gonna want to drive around with a factory radio.
Much better and more intuitive than the SoundmanCA videos especially without all the corny cocky jokes. Great video bro. Keep them coming!!
How to sound deaden your car:
Step 1: Get someone else to do it.
$$$
I did this once to a Nissan Rogue. Took me two days just to do the roof and two front doors. It really made a difference but I’m never doing it again.
@@mackd7141
Yes.
Buytl based sound deadener
Double sided mass loaded vinyl.
Single sided foam deadener.
$300 easily.
Yea, i agree but i watched it all. Thats a lot of work.
390 dollars after in each door I'm sure it sounds amazing ...
I’m getting old, I have always been into high end audio but with the circumstances of the last 10 years haven’t paid attention to what is new. I remember when about the best an average guy could do for a car stereo system was getting a great pair of 6 by 9s in the package tray and some 6 1/2 inch coaxial in the front doors, the a cassette tape deck with a power booster, lol! They sounded good for the time and I remember a pair of Altec Lansing 6 by 9s that came along that really bumped, it would rattle my rear view mirror but also the sheet metal in the 1970 Camaro, I tried tape at first but then I found some foam insulation panels that had a foil covering on one side, it was about an inch thick and I ended up using some calk to stick it to the bottom side of the package tray, I also covered the backside of the rear seat area and I was amazed at how much noise it eliminated. Later in the 90s when stereos were getting much better, they came out with the dynamat and it helped with the rattles but after watching this video, I am completely amazed at the level you have taken it to, that is a lot of work and it shows. I’ll bet the sound difference is incredible, I’m surprised that you were able to refit the door panel with the thickness of the materials you used. It would take a lot of patience to do that work and constantly running into different types of doors and their unique challenges. I know that the end result is worth the effort, just withthe elimination of road noise would make it worth it but for the acoustic improvement, it would make even just average equipment sound lots better. I’m sure having this done at a shop would be very expensive. I could see being asked how much did your system cost, and me answering, the head unit, amp and speakers were only $300 but the sound deafening and install was $3500. Worth it at half the price, if your going to do it go big or go home!
my dude that's a HELL of a job well done. but I'll stick with foam and tape for now haha. enjoyed the video very much!
i had covered my doors %100, but this clean install is another level. great job mate.
aysat Thanks! Appreciate the watch!
Wow!! You did a great job. You addressed everything. I wonder what it sounded like before compared to what it sounded like afterwards. I bet it was,a night and day difference. Keep the great videos coming.
I never heard anyone say to put Great stuff in a family car and drive as normal.I saw wheel barrow ,lawn and garden tractor dry cracked, unrepairable tires.Too enferr hiway and citystreets with other cirizens is amazing on your part.This is a great idea.One in every crowd yes,this guy made a vid to prove it.A true left fielder on a good day you got my vote
My hopes crushed that's just one door!! I'll just add second skin behind each speaker... Nice work man and patience!!
Honestly you have made my life soo much easier brother. Cheers
Mark, you're amazing. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and the presentation is so well done. It makes it easy for us to follow along at home.
Coming into this 9 years after posting. 9 years ago, I was very into car audio, and I probably had this in my feed back then. I've been out of the game for quite a while & Im getting back into the hobby. This video is still applicable & very informative! Love how you explain everything!
Same here brother!! Just got a 2014 explorer with low miles I'm about to go all out on lol, first vehicle I've owned that's able to run a serious system. What are your build plans?
Might have been more effective to use a decibel meter and recorded decibels during transit and then again after you applied sound deadening to see how much quieter the cabin really is. And an oscilloscope to get your frequency response before and total harmonic distortion measurement before and after that way you've got scientific evidence of how good this stuff is and mid bass/harmonic improvements... BTW I'm not hating (I hit the like button) really enjoyed the video just some constructive criticism you've got great construction skills
mdove89 I am working on collecting some of the data collecting instruments you mention. But as you are well aware they cost $. This is why I need the support through my Patreon page, so that I can pick up things like this and help others learn more. For now I have to rely upon my ear and the noticeable improvements.
This is one of the first channels I ever subscribed to and I still go back in time to learn stuff!!
Insane over kill.. my kinda of mod.. thumbs up
The depth of the install is insane!
Hey Mark awesome work. this has def inspired me to follow your tutorial. Do you know where we can get that Green tesa tape
Link to all the materials used is in the video description.
This is what a pro looks like! You are on another level man! Beautiful work!
Wish I had a bunch of $$$ to just turn you loose on my car. You do amazing work.
Learn how to do it yourself....
Jay MaC read his comment... even if he knew he said he doesn’t have the money
There's always an alternative that works just as good!
@@hotwheels1838 wonder how another product would work,say for example ice and water shield use on shingle roofs between wood and shingles..hell of alot cheaper
@@basicdr He doesn't say anything about knowing or not knowing how to DIY. Just says he wishes he had cash to pay for a job like this ( turn him loose ) like, money would be no object, if he had it.
I am really happy you make these videos! They set the bar for some of the highest quality car audio builds out there.
BUT, sometimes I feel that they are so over the top that they are practically useless for the amount of effort I want to put into my project.
Then don't do it. Let your car be a rattle box, obviously your more interested in entertaining the general public than listening to music. Problem solved.
Seems like more than you would ever need... almost felt like guy was just trying to sale me a crap ton of this company's products.
Rick Stalker yeah no this actually makes a difference. But it really does depend on your hearing sensitivity and love of quality sound. Some people run straight pipes for exhaust and strip interior, some people do the opposite. Personal goals and preference.
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Roll your own and save 70% on retail cables.
you guys just crush this stuff. make it look so easy. nice work with all of these videos!
how much did that job cost the customer
The cost of the car
The customer is the producer of all these materials - about 10k
Took a loan on the house
WOW, way to take it to the next level!!! most people would have just slapped some sound dampener overtop of where ever they could and called it "good enough"... and that makes a huge difference, but I can only imagine how amazing all that extra stuff will help... nice job mark, I look forward to seeing more vids of yours, I always learn something every time I watch one of your vids :)
You are the God of the sound my friend! You are genius! I'm your bigest fan!! Thanks for sharing your experiences and teaching us to solve this kind of problems!!!
Felipe de Sousa Haha I am far from as good as some guys are, but I am doing my best to learn a ton and share my knowledge with you guys, any help you can give me to share this video with others on the web is a big help!
Hey i'm a Fan too :P
For amateurs or people looking to keep things simple, the gist of the process to improve mids/mid-bass in the door speakers is to sound-dampen the door to reduce wasted energy through the metal frame and seal off any big holes as best as possible to create an enclosure effect which will help build up the bass through resonant frequencies and drive them through the woofer cone, making for a fuller low-end listening experience. CAF uses higher end materials and tools but just sealing off the port with something like rubber would be a big improvement as you'll get some measure of the enclosure effect. Plastic would work too, though you're going to need to cut it and thin plastic isn't much better than just covering the open holes with construction paper - you're going to get minimal returns. Make sure you use the foam wrap around the speaker as well as seen in the video so that you get better direction of audio. Some car doors will have speakers with little isolation and that noise can easily transfer out, which makes sealing off the door gaps even more important as that's sound bleed that isn't coming to your ears. In fact, it's traveling through the frame and outside of your car. You get the added bonus of better heat/cool air isolation and less road noise.
If you have a loud engine in your vehicle, like a Mustang GT's V8 which can get intrusive and you wanna dampen it a bit, look at using sound deadening materials on your dashboard, though mosts purists won't wanna contain the sound of a great engine such as the one found in a GT. This is mostly for more whiney/rhaspy engines that don't sound good at idle or under duress.
Hey CarAudioFabrication (Matt)
This is AMAZING! You're videos have inspired me to take my install to the next level.
Did you find the Second Skin Luxury Liner Pro - 9 Square Feet single sheet was enough to do both doors? I'm only doing my front doors with this setup. I want to make sure cause shipping is expensive for me and don't want to have to re-order.
A lot of time and dedication, I learnt a so many things.
Great video, very informative and edited nicely. A before and after in-car DB test would had been interesting. Keep them coming !
Great tip man. This is something that will even help good premium factory speakers that have the door skin cutouts.
so, this stuff is really heavy. if I'm going for low weight but still decent sound, where should I compromise?
Just use a smaller proportion of everything and focus mainly on the area near the speaker, you won't get as good of results though, always a compromise...
try a foam baffle from parts express
CarAudioFabrication
to block sound you need dense, thin (very heavy) material so there's no way around it. To dissipate, adsorb or muffle sound you can just use acoustic foam which is light.
ehh my civic is like open box.....i listen music outside like im in the car.....still dont want to add so much weight
This guy blows my mind. He is legend.
Doing my best, you can do it too! Thanks for watching
Totally pro damn nice I learned a lot,thanks!
+savagetdk Thanks for watching!
I've used Second Skin products on several of my personal project vehicles. It is by far the best. Love the Spectrum coating. Great job as always, Marc
***** Thank you Jossh . I have always used them as well. MADE IN THE USA! Woot! :)
Craftsmanship!
I did my version of this to my car door today, my 6.5" morel sounds like a subwoofer. Alot of effort but its worth it.
Glad to hear it. I love when people say "oh that's too much work" in regards to this video. Going through the work nets great results.
That was insane ! I need you to deaden my Tahoe ... Lol
trainwreck60 Thank you!
This is the right way to do it. Nice work man.
what if the window breaks or stops working?
+Khyree Holmes That's why he made that removable plastic panel. All he'd need to do is remove the screws and he would have access.
Oh.
did you watch the fucking video?
trillriff-axegrinder Do you have fucking manners?
trillriff-axegrinder lmao good response, if it’s in the video, people shouldn’t be able to mindlessly criticize it
This will be the first modification I'll be making to my future Fiat 500 Abarth. I can't freaking wait. Love this video and just subscribed. :D
+AdrianC12345 Welcome to the community! Best of luck and I am sure you will find some other ideas for your vehicle here!
+AdrianC12345 I am about to begin my build on my Abarth as well. Do you have any mistakes that you learned from that you can pass along my way? I would really appreciate a heads up on what trouble areas (vibrations) you encountered. I would like to do as little re-work as possible.
Thanks in advance.
+CarAudioFabrication do you guys offer your work to clients?
Video should be called, how to add 300 pounds to each door.
EklekTek haha almost spat my breakfast out, good one mate 😂👍
Lol yep
Yeah haha - how to slow down your ride but sound mint as you do
Yeah, I was thinking that exact same thing and how to offset it, swap out my small block for a big block, the increased torque will help and it looks like my girlfriend is going to have to go, that would lose me enough weight to compensate for the sound deadening and the big block! :)
and also, how to cost yourself more gas by adding that weight...
You my friend are a true PERFECTIONIST!!! I know that OCD is on 100
%!!! I will admit and thank you for all the time you spend to share your knowledge and skills. I will be using ALOT of these techniques in my own personal builds. Thank you again and keep sharing the videos. You are the real MVP!!!
This guy does fantastic work, but 99% of us can't afford to spend $300 per door just on tape and foam. Anyone ever just use duct tape or something similar to seal the holes? I would think that could improve midbass a tad.
+brown55061
I did a cheap door seal on my work vehicle, basically mdf/plywood over the holes, i didnt bother using a router and making the edges nice as it is never seen, function over form! You can also make it a little more waterproof with some varnish if you want.
Instead of the damplifier, i used roofing flashing tape which a bitumen or butyl based adhesive tape that adds mass to the panels which is cheap from a diy store, and you can put on double thickness if you like. I used i to cover all the small holes in the panel with it, and line the inner door as much as you can. Basically seal all the holes and add weight. I also used some egg carton foam i had from packaging and glues it in the inner door behind the speaker, and made sure i had a ring of flashing tape behind the speaker mounting hole to stop it vibrating against the door panl and to create an air tight seal.
I wouldnt bother with the mass loaded vinyl as it looks pretty difficult to put the door card back on. You basically want to seal the speaker so the back side is in a sealed enclosure with the wood and tape, and the sealed enclosure increases bass. Adding weight through the tape stops the panels vibrating, and you can address and rattles like they do on the clips and cables with some tape. The other thing i did was make speaker rings for mounting the speakers from the mdf, so my costs were low as it was some mdf and flashing tape. Hope this helps, it makes a huge difference, at a fraction of the cost. I think dust tape would be a little too flexible to create a good sealed enclosure, and wouldnt ass any weight to the panels. Plus you can use the flashing tape on floors, add sections to the roof to stop vibrations etc. The added bonus is on cheap doors, they now close with a reassuring thump like on a premium car.
+gledy2 Just watched a couple of other videos, if you are in the states people use stuff called peel and seal or even cheaper useal, get some!
I've used U-Seal on a car before and it helped. My problem now is both vehicles are black and I'm afraid the door panels will get too hot and that stuff will liquify and drip. I'll probably still try it and hope for the best. What I haven't figured out is how to get those nice foam rings for the front and rear of the speaker without buying actual speaker foam, which is probably 5X the price.
+brown55061 Just make sure you make it like a sealed enclosure for the back of the speaker and seal off the big gaps with mdf. If you want closed cell foam in the doors, try buying a camping mat, always cheap. Doubt it would be flexible enough to seal the speakers to the doorcards. Just keep your eyes open for packing foam in boxes, but my thoughts are it doesnt have much effect, the sound will filter through the speaker grille fine anyway, with not too much deflection down the door card. If you make mdf mounting rings, just adjust so the speaker sits close to the grille, the difference is made by sealing off the air between the front and back halves of the speaker, like a sub box would do.
There are less expensive dampening materials that can be found. They don't exactly work as well but they are still alternatives.
No way this video was made 8 years ago. Great editing and production 👌💯
I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GUY THATS GOING TO CHANGE THE GLASS IF IT BRAKES LOL
haha, he would prob charge double
What about the guy who does paintless dent repairs
Very Professional Installation. I assume this would be requested on high end cars as the installation costs are expensive. I normally just install the KilMat 80 mil with Noico 150 mil on top applied to any metal skin. The results are amazing!
LOL talking about overkill.....
abd bach I just looked in the comments to look if somebody had this thought xD
Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
Anything worth doing is worth OVER doing ;) **
If you are a professional doing work for customers taking pride in your work and paying this level of attention to detail, You will have repeat customers. Most people now just throw crap together and call it good because no one will see it behind the door panels. I do woodworking this way because I know its being done the right way.
@@geerhed1109 Until they get the bill.
This gave some ideas when I install my 6.5" door speakers next week. I'm not going to go all out with the sound deadening. I will be covering that big hole in the door to help with the bass response. I have to replace the drivers door window actuator and motor first.
Then you get in to an car accident .. ALL YOUR HARD WORK TOTALLED
I was thinking about this today. But I also realized my audio system is worth more than my car 😂😂😂
the amount of work you do makes me exhausted!
If car manufacturers could put this much effort in their cars we would not have to do this shit
they do, if you buy 90k cars :D
mian fazle razik for real, it amazes me that they make and sell cars that have rattling interior doors and shit when you turn the music up a little, it’s like WTF! Cheap ass mother fuckers charging us an arm and a leg for overpriced fucking trash!
@@McRemmyBaby Cars are made to be reliable means of transportation, not studios on wheels lol.
Oak lol
Oak yea but, my fucking door should not be rattling in a 2017 CHEVY LMAO
Nice werk! I used to work as a pro installer, and I actually learned some things watching this video!
Just be warned.. The extra weight in the car will increase fuel consumption :)
There is a trade off for everything, my goal isn't to make a fuel efficient car, it's to produce great sound.
+CarAudioFabrication I know, I'm not criticising what your goal is, or complaining about anything. I was just pointing out something. If someone adds 10lbs of deadening and other things to each door, maybe another 15/20lbs to the rear trunk area, maybe some on the roof, on the floor of the car, maybe some people want to go the bonnet too. It can add up to maybe 80-100lbs. And on top of that add in the subs and the amps, processors and much more. It could be the difference between $30 a week fuel or maybe even $60 a week. So, I'm not criticising, just sharing information. 😅👍
It's like driving around that fat friend that sings real good and gives killer road head. It's worth the extra gas money.
There is no way it double fuel cost. It might mean the difference between $30 a week and $33, maybe 36.
your driving habbits are way more variable than a little bit of added mass. did you ever put a human sized passenger in your car and notice a change in fuel economy? fuel economy is 90% aero/rolling resistance anyhow. trust the engineer
Impressive attention to detail and clean workmanship. Nicely done.
I hope you got the door panels back on. This is overkill. I'm sure as hell not gonna do all this.
i mean there is no room to criticise him, as whatever floats his boat as this is his hobby or craft. Avg Joe, it is very much overkill. not happy with the bass with my baffled Pioneer 6 1/2s but the highs and mids are alot better than stock obviously. its what a properly sealed non directional subwoofer solves and a turned eq...for which for me will be a later install.
Tuned EQ*
Next level? That’s an understatement!!!
Your door just got 10lbs heavier. Prepare for squeaky and droopy doors!
Thanks a ton! Was thinking at work today that I needed to do something about my door speakers and here you are again with some great info. I appreciate all the vids you have posted, keep up the awesome work!
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Mark that was some major totally awesome sweet action. I wished this would have been around sooner before I did my door panels in my 96 Ford Probe Se. Always much love and respect for you brotha basshead and friend.
PSE Mentalist Thanks brother! Glad you like it! Thanks for posting like always!
Hey Mark..your work ethics, knowledge and skills are hopefully contagious to all mobile audio installers. Love your professionalism....quick question How would you prevent rust or water getting into door speakers?
This is like the textbook for me now. Thank you. My current 250$ car isn't worth it though lol.
Thanks! This was hugely helpful. My speakers are more than loud enough without an amp and I needed a solution for that annoying tinny quality.
very good video. I am wondering if sound deadening ONLY The Doors would make a Big difference in cabin noise reduction and sound improvement of speakers? I don't want to tear my interior apart, but I also don't want to go through the hassle if its not going to improve just deadening the doors. I have an 03 Lexus GX470. I figured from the factory its got good sound deadening already, but I want better, but noticeably better. what do you think???
It will cut down on the road noise and tire noise shooting into the doors for sure.
Who doesn’t love mid-bass!!!
dude!! the nut sert rivet tool. what a awesome must have tool. so good in fact, I ordered one immediately.
Top notch job...seems like the kind of thing you can do in sections to cut down on cost and workload...front, then rear, then trunk, etc.
This one of my Favorite Videos I have been in Car for a while but I took a really long break lol
I love the outside of the box thinking...
Mark, what about adding strips to the OUTER door skin?
wow thats a lot of work. I wonder how it sounds before and after. I guess its like insulation for your house.
That is the right way for a proper door panel SQ build, it's about the backwave of the speaker going into the vehicle cabin canceling not only the bass but also the mid-range, causing it to sound out of phase. Bass is solved by the plastic you apply, while mid can be solved by apply liner foam.
There are hardcore methods which we use 3mm aluminium sheet instead of mdf or plastic, but to be sure some vehicle door panel has cup holder.
Your videos are the most informative I have found, and I have done a lot of searching. Thank you for sharing! !
The main gain was seeing how it’s done and doing your own version of the demo. Not every shop will buy the most expensive product but at least customers can now see the best job performed so you don’t get hustled elsewhere.
I wanna hear one of your systems so bad. Great work man I've learned a lot from you thanks a lot.
I love the work and the interior audio engineering... But what about the weather engineering of the door? Seal the perimeter jam holes, speaker drip/rain shroud, an extra seal added to the outer jamb edges, maintaining your drainage holes, etc.? Just a thought, since you're into kicking it up a level! 😉
Always my favorite topic ! So many installers and Shops doesn't offer or carry sound deadening
Beautifully detailed, caring workmanship, but if I could ever so humbly suggest, a few more bolts/screws on the internally champfered plastic cover is needed. As an aside, and yes I am biased, given my handle, it's very interesting coming across this as my 1988 E32 735i BMW has many of the different sound deadening materials you have in this vid in the kick panels, doors, B and C pillars, even tesa cloth tape wrapped on (some) attachment clips. Fascinating (to me). Anyway I'm happy to have come across this, thanks !
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Man I’m buying some of this when spring comes it looks badass