How to Edge Joint Two Boards by Hand | Paul Sellers
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Simple things are often hidden in the age of mass information. I put this simple explanation and demonstration together to show you how our fears and doubts are all too often unfounded.
With a little understanding of what's really happening beneath the plane sole, we can restore methods of working into our daily lives working wood and the result will be new levels of confidence.
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Thank you, Paul! Believe it or not, just last night I was thinking, "If I could get Paul's ear for just one question, I'd ask him about jointing two boards." And I wake up to find this video. Sometimes wishes come true!
[3:35]: "Oops."
[3:45]: "I've got a perfect joint line."
I wish *I* were skilled enough to "settle" for perfection after an "oops." :)
Yeah, no kidding. "Oops" for me is often followed by yet another trip to the lumber yard.
I'm the boss of the wood workshop at an Association in France, having come from nowhere (woodworking-wise) in four years flat. At any one time, I am only one Paul Sellers video ahead of my team. Fortunately, that is more than enough - they think I'm a genius.
There is so much value in these mini-lessons. Just brilliant. Thank you, Paul.
Paul is an absolute champ
After I’d finished I doubt if there’d be much wood left to make a surface, just loads of shavings..
Perfectly square toothpicks anyone?
Ha, I feel you.
I sometimes continue to use a pretty light shaving to try and not end up with something a third of what I started with.
And then it happens anyway or gets a little wedge shaped sometimes lol
I'm glad to see even paul has his vice slip from time to time. :-D
The difference is he didn’t call his vice a $&@?! Afterwords
and then: I've got a perfect joint line. :))
@Chen Mitton Sorry but what has a piece of Amazon garbage got to do with joining two boards by their edges? 🤷♂️This looks like a blatant advert to me. 😲
Thanks Paul for another great video full of insight and helpful to new woodworkers!
Thank you Paul, you can't imagine how much that means to me. I didn't have my grandfather to teach me that, thank you for passing on your knowledge to us.
That tiny detail of balancing on a pencil. Mind blown. So simple, so sensible. Thank you Paul! Every time I joint boards I give up. Everything I do with the plane seems to exaggerate the hollow/belly, not get rid of it. Looking forward to a good joint next time!
Seriously it was worth watching the video alone for that trick.
I’m having trouble with my jointer machine and I think I’m just going to simply hand plane for a perfect joint like this now. Thanks !
We want more content like this. You are one of the best teachers out there and your experience is something that is just lovely to watch. Cheers!
Does he do that hollow in the middle of the boards at first intentionally or for demonstration purposes, to show the gap later on?
I just can't get good results from this method, been trying for days. My boards are a lot longer and thicker though for a start.
My father tried to explain this to me over 50 years ago. I just did not get it. Thank you for the excellent video.
I didn't understand what the pencil was for. The illustration on the white board was great, though
It keeps an uneven edge from rocking on the benchtop.
Great advice as always, I would love to know where I could find such clear pine boards like the ones Paul is using!
I’ve been watching your videos for many years now Paul and enjoy them just as much now as when I first discovered then all those years ago. Thanks for many years of inspiration, encouragement and information. Always a pleasure to watch.
Thanks Paul! Wow, so simple. And here I am doing each face separately with a straight edge and a square!
Do you maybe have a suggestion for thicker boards (say 40 mm thick), that when combined, is wider than even a Nr 8 plane blade?
Having a hollow in the middle is ideal for sprung joint so the ends won’t come apart as they’ll dry first
thanks for the tip Paul, one question, why do you lay the bords on the pencil every time before you put them on the vice? is to compensate for any unevenness that the bank may have? or just for makeing it easier to grab?
Hi Carlos, it is to make sure the front and back ends are flush. If there are any bumps in the middle, the ends will not be flush.
The problem I've had with edge jointing out of square is when you clamp the boards together during glue up, they slide out of alignment.
Sprinkle salt in the joint on top of the glue.
The alternative is a plane with a fence to get those 90° angles in your board.
Follow the “open time” on the glue bottle (~10min). But glue on evenly, let it sit 10min, now put the boards together and clamp them. It makes a huge difference.
Mr. Sellers, you are one of the true masters of this craft. I enjoy watching everything you put out here. Thanks much.
It’s always a pleasure to follow your woodworking Paul. Your videos are invaluable for me, as a weekend hobbyist who missed out on woodwork classes at school. Thank you for devoting your time to help others.
Some folks suggest leaving a slight hollow along the length of the board to counteract a tendency for the ends of the boards to separate after being glued. Do you do this under any circumstances?
I am using a moxon vice as it's all I have, and when I clamp two boards together like this in the vice, the clamping pressure forces the top face apart. Do you have any advice for rectifying this as I am currently failing to square the boards up. Many thanks
Thank for the tips
I also thinking that a very little gap in the middle was a goo thing to make a spring join.
Isn't it a good thing to have this little gap?
I'm throwing my square away.
very good tip indeed!
Nice job Paul. How can I joint these two boards? Tongue and groove, just gluing? Thank you?
How would you joint 2 boards that are drastically of different widths? Enough so that they won't fit in the vise together...
I see that some people leave a little hollow in the middle to make the boards stay togetter better. What is the best way?
That looked like a number five, What on earth did they use a number 8 with corrugated bottom on ?
Thank-you again. Going to try holding my no5 1/2 like that.
When jointing boards like this, does the blade of the hand plane have to be straight/square?
This cant be right, It takes me 2 hours and its still not correct... :)
Do you need a haircut Paul? You're beginning to look like the fifth Beetle
I think its time to build something. Your desktop organizer was genial.
Beautifully simple and perfectly explained - Thank you for your ongoing efforts to enlighten people that they don't need a machine to do the simplest of tasks.
Thanks for the pencil tip. That's brilliant.
Fantastic tips, Paul! Thanks a lot! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Just look at that like/dislike ratio. Nuff said.
Is it a hint that rather than overdoing a spring joint we'd better not do it at all?..
"Don't worry about being straight at the moment" god they shove politics into everything these days🙄. Just kidding, great video 😁
we need some more " how to make poor man's tools"
Wow, do I see a new bench? Laminated plywood top, methinks.
I just finished the old video of you building a bench in your back yard.
I may incorporate the toolwell into the bench I'm designing now.
Got some marvelous Hard Maple for the top and Poplar for the frame.
Going to get this one just right, it'll be my last big project.
Does not work for bog-wood oak planks ;) Well... pet peeve for extreme sharpened plane!
Actually it works if you are sharp enough.
Thumbs up, definitely.
Could I achieve the same result with a workbench table top and long narrow strip of adhesive sandpaper? Reason for asking is that my boards are wider than my No. 7 plane, so I am not sure I can easily achieve your result (at my skill level using hand planes), since your boards appeared to be narrower than the blade on your hand plane. I would do the same thing as you did, except my work bench with the sand paper is acting as a hand plane. I would tape the faces of the boards together and sand both edges at the same time on 120 grit adhesive paper glued to my work bench.
This is the basic stuff that everybody who wants to work with wood MUST LEARN! Mandatory!!! It's insightful, gives you a feel, makes you aquainted with what's it really about.
*Thank You!* Now I have a chance of getting bits joined. All the other videos I watch required the use of a table saw which is something I will never have due to lack of space. MUCH appreciated Paul. 👍👍
Well, of course you can joint them out of square, but then you have your hand forced as to how you arrange your boards. If you want to be able to move the boards around freely to find the most pleasing matches between the individual patterns, it's better to have them square.
Awsome content. But its hard to watch your videos without being green with jealousy. Your workshop is in a castle. Mines in a dirty old factory that used to make mace. It always tastes like hot peppers in there. Lol
Today was the first time I planed a top flat. It was relaxing but my arms are dead. Thanks for the video. I’ll be trying this on Monday.
Now that was amazing Paul, never thought of that when the two board are not square on the edge that they would match when flat on the long face, haha. Well done as usual, full of tips and knowledge , fantastic teacher. By the way I bought your book and dvds, watched the DVD’s twice but scared to read the book just in case I damage it, what a lovely book, just wished you signed it , take care 👏👏👍
Do you think this is how they made a perfectly straight reference edge back hundreds or thousands of years ago? Get a pair of boards and plane them down until there were no gaps? I can't think of any other way to do it.
Maybe, but I think historically the first mechanically precise flat surfaces were surface plates. You make those by taking 3 flat stones and rubbing them together pairwise until there are no gaps between any pair. If you have a surface plate you can make a straight edge by referencing it to that.
The Trick with the pencil in the beginning was the game changer for me. Had a slightly uneven benchtop and didn‘t notice it and i wasnt be able to joint two boards. Thank you very much sir.
Another very informative video, thank so much. I've learned so much about hand tool work from you Paul that apart from a drill , power wood work tools annoy me so I don't use them anymore. I suppose by deliberately planning out of square you actually give yourself a bigger glue area .
Simple and straightforward, just what I need. I always worry about making a joint worse so I avoid using a hand plane but this method works. I do however need to get a wider and long jointing plane now that I want to do it with hand tools 🤣
This is perfectly simple and easy... Until you decide to do it on that hard exotic... then everything goes to sh%t!!
What if the boards are rough sawn and have not been surface planed. Do you recommend first cleaning them individually to the same thickness and then jointing them? I have Also had a situation where the boards were more than the thickness of the plane blade when put together. In this case would you recommend this method?
Very helpful video. Does it matter if we introduce some twist while planing the edges together?
Hi Paul, Thanks for the jointing lesson for 2 boards!!!!!!
GENIUS!!! Thank you Paul for this video.
Thank you Paul. This video is very helpful. Joining two or more boards has been a problem for me for quite the while. Now this video gives me the confidence that I can get there even with an "oops" every now and then.
Brilliant, love the pencil thing as well. If you were planing to joint 2 boards thicker than the plane sole would you still use this method to eliminate the need for getting a perfect square edge or is it more effective to do each one separately?
Thanks a lot. I'm starting in woodworking and I needed to join a table top without a jointer nor a router. I thought this couldn't be done with hand tools
Thanks Paul. Something I have struggled with for quite some time. Great video.
Thank you Mr.Sellers, that worked like magic.
Dear Paul! Thank you! Short, Clear and grants confidence.
May you receive so much praise that you can't realistically read it all. Thank you.
Something so simple to make planing easier.
Thank you, Paul.
And for showing the exaggerated angle. I have been fighting for the perfect 90 angle. May have less frustration.
I usually have the opposite problem. Jointing and getting a hill in the middle.
Thank you Mr. Sellers. Your videos have streamlined my education and play a significant roll in making woodworking a positive experience. My blunders are self identifiable due to the abundance of information you include. I have such respect for your experience and work you put in to educate us all.
So beautifful, so nice, so well explained. Thank you.
Outstanding! I have worked with wood since I was 18 years old (that has been almost 51 years now) and I have never ever thought of this.. You have taught me so much and are such a skilled wood worker.. you never cease to amaze me.
As always, a great, clear description.
I think the value of planing the two boards together is mostly to cancel the effect of out of squareness it actually doubles the effect of out of straightness (gaps and bellies). The plane makes it fairly easy to make them straight, but getting them perfectly square is another thing.
Thank you, it is simply lovely. The lesson is very clear and you exude inspiration!
This is when a profi doing it!
thanks for sharing your knowledge. greetings from Italy
Well this just saved me many hours and years of frustration.
Very helpful Paul, thanks for taking the time to pass on your knowledge. Much appreciated!
Thank you Paul. I am literally learning woodwork from your videos. I love this channel.
Wow!
My English is not good enough to express what I want to - Sorry.
Ich bin gestern auf ihren Kanal gestossen und habe ihn sofort abonniert.
Heute hat sich mein Eindruck bestätigt:
Die klare, schrittweise abfolgende, ruhige und unprätentiöse Art ihrer Darstellung kombiniert mit ihren manuellen Fähigkeiten ist nur bewundernswert.
Als ehemals selbst Unterichtender glaube ich das beurteilen zu dürfen: die Darstellung ist schlichtweg perfekt..
Vielen Dank!
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Paul! Your the man!🌲🌳😊
I started to not watch this video since I know how to do this; however, I learned some things.
Thanks. Greetings from San Antonio - mesquite country.
nahh don't think I can do that 😂
Exceptionally clear and eye opening like every time... Thanks Paul!
Such a great teacher if he was my woodworking teacher I think I would have gone into the craft 30 years ago
That is very valuable. I struggle with hand planes
Great lesson, Paul. Thank you.
Do you ever use a sprint joint in these cases?
Awesome stuff in this video. I am trying to do more hand tools.
Thank you Sir for sharing your hard earned wisdom with the rest of the woodworking community
That pencil move blew my mind😂
You're the man Paul! Keep up the great vids and love the tips and tricks you show to take the fear factor out of woodworking!
Paul your Covid hair do growing just fine
Many thanks Paul, great tips.
Brilliant video. Amazing teacher
Thank you for sharing a part of your lifetime of learning!
Would that mean a non square edge joint may better than square because there'll be more surface area in the glue joint at an acute angle?
I would imagine that any angle small enough to make a difference in gluing surface area would make it more tricky when it keeps slipping apart when you clamp it. A good glue joint is stronger than the wood around it anyways.
@@nathanbame4198 true, but if it's properly clamped down it'll mitigate that problem right?
@@mikeg2046 Yes. Someone posted a reply about that in these comments. The non-square joint got roughly a 13% increase in shear. It went to 787 psi from 683 psi. Nice returns, and you still have a nice glue joint.
Thank you Paul for the great content and the visual demonstrations on the board!!
This just changed my life.
Is that a lockdown haircut? Me too.
Thank you! 👍