I have switched to James Hoffman style, about 22 grams to 500 g water, ground medium or a bit finer, and added to the water in the Clever, with r min brew before drawdown. Love this simple brewer.
22 and 500 can't be right... that's like a 1/22 to 1/23 ratio... this video is using 1/15, James Hoffman uses 1/16 - 1/17, I've seen people go to 1/18, but never in the 1/20s...
Nice clear video! Good editing and some humour to boot. I'm working on a simplified immersion-funnel type brewer design to compete with the Dripper and the Hario switch at a lower price point but same quality. I've got a prototype as my current daily driver and I'm trying out all these recipes.
I completely agree, but it leans full tilt into the tongue in cheek title. Also, there are probably 200+ Clever Dripper tutorials on RUclips, and the titles are all a different version of the same thing. RUclips's algorithm is a weird beast, so it was worth a shot. 😇
‘The Other Ultimate Pour Over Guide”, requested. I just love your Clever vid as it’s useful, concise, thorough, clearly presented and with notes. It can’t get better! When you’ve time, please share your thoughts about home coffee grinding machines.
That's a great suggestion! I have a pour-over video on the list that I will likely shoot in February. Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate it. I haven't really tested out too many home grinders outside of Baratza's line up, but I can definitely share my experience with their products.
@@CoffeeandWater That’s good of view and I’ll look forward to seeing your views in due course. Could you post a few words about hand grinders for now if possible, please? It’s just that I’m thinking of getting a ‘1Z Presso JE-Plus’ hand grinder shortly - I need something and this appears to tick all the boxes.
With the Clever Cripper, I don't think it matters if the drawdown is fast... in fact, I think the faster the better (because it gives better control over brew time) as long as the filter is doing a good job filtering.
As soon as some kid says they are better than someone I don't bother watching, people that big themselves up and slag off other people who are obviously very well educated on their subject are a waste of space!
I do the James Hoffman method of putting water in first (straight from the boil) and then the grounds, start the timer, give a gentle stir to make sure all coffee is saturated, this stops any ‘clogging’ up that might occur on the drawdown. Give another gentle stir after 2 minutes then draw down into the chosen vessel. I’m curious how you keep the coffee hot if you’re decanting it from carafe to mug, why not straight from the clever into a mug?
Nice video man I really love that more and more people are using the Clever Dripper, I have been using it to make coffee for the past 4 months my friend told me about it + Like 👍
Why would you decant the preheating/filter-cleaning water from the Clever Dripper into the carafe ? In the video you say it's to preheat the carafe, but this makes no sense. That would just make the coffee take even longer to come down to drinking temperature, which is the opposite of what I want.
Nice! Portland has a pretty solid coffee scene. Had a great americano at Upper Left today. I'm going to do a video about the EKG this month! I feel like all the videos around it is a first impression and I want to do a video from the perspective of owning it for the last three years. Got a lot of love but a little hate.
One of the big reasons I don't mention the way Hoffmann brews a clever is because I published the video 4-6 months before Hoffmann released his Clever video. The title is just meant to be silly. I've used this recipe for about a decade and consider it an approachable way to brew. I stand by the recipe and the production value of the video. Working for a global brand, I definitely recognize there are different strokes for different folks, so there's room for both recipes to exist. 😃
@@CoffeeandWater - thanks for replying! Makes sense, I assumed it was a response to Hoffman's Clever guide. I used a Clever from 2014-16. Just got one again & experimenting again. 🤓
I do find Hoffman’s water-before-coffee route gives a notably better result. Out of interest I’ve tried both ways again over the last few days and my thumb is again firmly up for Hoffman.
If you have something a little more developed it's also worth trying a bigger ratio like 1 to 17 or 1 to 18. Only adjust one variable at a time. If you're adjusting dose and grind at the same time it can be hard to identify what's working and what is not. Rule of thumb: adjust dose/ratio for amount of flavor, adjust grind for type of flavor.
Hey! I'd love to try out your method, but could anybody tell me what default grind setting you use on the Commandante C40? Just by eyballing I'd guess it to be 20 - 22 :D. I am now using a 4-minute, water-first recipe, but my cups are somehow hollow and bitter at the same time (the aftertaste is bitter) and I can't figure out what the heck is going on. I have tried it with various different grind settings 20 - 25 on the Commandante but still can't get that balanced cup...maybe this will help :D.
Hi! Just found this brewer yesterday and gonna try some today- I usually do iced with a lighter-end Ethiopian coffee. Aside from my recipe being iced, radically different, I’m gonna see about starting at around 25 myself on the C40. Or same as I’ve been doing for V60s. I can try and get back with you on how it goes if you want!
@@coffeedoodles7124 Hey! Forgot about my comment in the first place. Right now I have found that the 18 - 21 range works better for me. I was pissed off - I couldn't get a good coffe (I even stopped drinking it for while), but then went finder on my grinder and lower on my temperature (a little bit, probably 92 - 93 instead of 95 - 98) and the coffees are really good. But I am curious as to how your coffee will taste. I wish you the best brews possible! :D
Pro tip: Avoid all the cold wasted coffee left in the carafe by calculating the water and coffee you actually want. Then drain it straight to the mug. You’ve got this!
What is the difference between a "pro tip" and a tip? What if he wants to drink a bit more coffee than his cup can hold? Isn't that the actual purpose of a carafe?
Tony, Great video and a lot easier to help folks "dial in" the clever over a lot of the 3rd Wave Coffee DingDongs out there. I've been Clever Dripperin for years and years and now recommending this vid to my friends that have been asking me about how I get the perfect cup with my Clever. Seems we use the same dose, grind, and water. Shame though that there are 3K views and such low subs. MORE VIDEOS!
When you decant the first hot water into the carafe, I hope you’re not releasing the water you rinsed the paper filter with, since that has the paper taste residue that will now be in your coffee.
It’s still a pretty full-body cup without the sediment. *sidenote: I think the Clever used in this video was purchased from Kaldi’s on DeMun in 2012 or 2013.
Nice video. My french press friends would disagree that this is any paper filter method is an "upgrade" to french press. It is a different method that is supposed to create a categorically different cup of coffee. I am cringing seeing all that ground coffee on top not being extracted for 60 seconds. When I see "Better than James Hoffman" and there is no 3 cup blind taste test... put your money where your mouth is ;) nice video.
Better than which JH method for clever /V60 switch?I have basically ditched all coffee paraphernalia, for the clever a nice electric kettle and an overpriced Ember mug plus a cheap rechargeable burr travel grinder. Rarely do I weigh and measure as I like the simple dimple. Boil good water. rinse filter (preheat vessel) grind and add fresh grinds. Add water. steep 3 minutesish set on mug drip wait to coll to set temp on fancy heated mug. enjoy worm coffee for quite some time. Your method is similar to one of the ways I pour.....but I'll try the suave bottom of the spoon stir. Have never been able to do a safe effective swirl of the brewer. Have you send the water 1st then grinds on top method James credits another geek......I believe he does it in the v60 switch. I MUCH PREFER THE CLEVER. Dand my coffee is good rn! Try my clever in the microwave with the brew to keep the steep at boiling! (the opposite of simple . Start as in your video then put the clever plus brew in microwave give it 10 plus seconds, "rest" a minute. 10 more minute more 10 last secs, the decant. The idea being to keep the brew at 212 the whole brew. If you nuke too long you will have a mess on your hands. JH convinced me using boiling H2O is the way to go at least for light to med roasts. CHEAP GOOD ENOUGH RECHARGEABLE BURR GRINDER: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B92VVKXT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 slow grinds enough for a couple od gups, hell you fancy pants can tare it out on a scale...I just near fill it. I'd say 6 grinds fully loaded per charge. Again SLOW so grind 1st step b4 boil id ancy for joe. Ditch all blade grinders for this one-hitter esp when on the road. POUR ON TOP METHOD: ruclips.net/video/RpOdennxP24/видео.html
Try using a cloth filter instead, would give you even more of the french press experience, as more oils would drip to your cup. Also much more environmental. Maintain the cloth right and it would taste even more neutral than either a papery taste from a non bleached, or chlorine from a bleached one.
What a bold claim that it's "better", when with the grounds first you're risking clogging the filter with the fines, in other words unnecessarily introducing a variable with no apparent benefit?
To be fair, Bob, it's not even Hoffmann's recipe. The recipe James posted is from Workshop coffee. I'm a fan as well so no need to get too worked up over it.
I just tried your Clever method and I'm drinking one of the best cups ever. I've always used the four minute method, but now I'm switching to yours!!
That's great to hear, Mike! Cheers!
4 minute? Pretty sure that’s French Press.
Clever is usually 2 to 3 at most.
I have switched to James Hoffman style, about 22 grams to 500 g water, ground medium or a bit finer, and added to the water in the Clever, with r min brew before drawdown. Love this simple brewer.
22 and 500 can't be right... that's like a 1/22 to 1/23 ratio... this video is using 1/15, James Hoffman uses 1/16 - 1/17, I've seen people go to 1/18, but never in the 1/20s...
I use 20 to 300 and that gives me a pretty balanced brew
Nice clear video! Good editing and some humour to boot.
I'm working on a simplified immersion-funnel type brewer design to compete with the Dripper and the Hario switch at a lower price point but same quality.
I've got a prototype as my current daily driver and I'm trying out all these recipes.
Putting JH in the title is a little clickbaity though.
I completely agree, but it leans full tilt into the tongue in cheek title. Also, there are probably 200+ Clever Dripper tutorials on RUclips, and the titles are all a different version of the same thing. RUclips's algorithm is a weird beast, so it was worth a shot. 😇
@@CoffeeandWater smart algorithm hacking
@@CoffeeandWater Shows balls. I like it.
And quite standoffish. Not a fan of ego and attitude with coffee videos. And this one’s got that. Not subscribing.
‘The Other Ultimate Pour Over Guide”, requested. I just love your Clever vid as it’s useful, concise, thorough, clearly presented and with notes. It can’t get better! When you’ve time, please share your thoughts about home coffee grinding machines.
That's a great suggestion! I have a pour-over video on the list that I will likely shoot in February. Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate it.
I haven't really tested out too many home grinders outside of Baratza's line up, but I can definitely share my experience with their products.
@@CoffeeandWater That’s good of view and I’ll look forward to seeing your views in due course. Could you post a few words about hand grinders for now if possible, please? It’s just that I’m thinking of getting a ‘1Z Presso JE-Plus’ hand grinder shortly - I need something and this appears to tick all the boxes.
With the Clever Cripper, I don't think it matters if the drawdown is fast... in fact, I think the faster the better (because it gives better control over brew time) as long as the filter is doing a good job filtering.
Yes, it makes no difference in taste so making it drawout faster just makes you drink faster
Kudos on the title bait, defiantly caught me! haha Good video that followed as well! Nice stuff man!
As soon as some kid says they are better than someone I don't bother watching, people that big themselves up and slag off other people who are obviously very well educated on their subject are a waste of space!
lol. get mad.🤣🤣
I do the James Hoffman method of putting water in first (straight from the boil) and then the grounds, start the timer, give a gentle stir to make sure all coffee is saturated, this stops any ‘clogging’ up that might occur on the drawdown. Give another gentle stir after 2 minutes then draw down into the chosen vessel. I’m curious how you keep the coffee hot if you’re decanting it from carafe to mug, why not straight from the clever into a mug?
To answer your question:
Nope. Doesn’t best Hoffman.
Thanks for trying out the recipe!
I think if you add the water first it’s about the same
Nice video man
I really love that more and more people are using the Clever Dripper, I have been using it to make coffee for the past 4 months my friend told me about it
+ Like 👍
Love the quality of the video 👌
Thank you! much appreciated.
Why would you decant the preheating/filter-cleaning water from the Clever Dripper into the carafe ? In the video you say it's to preheat the carafe, but this makes no sense. That would just make the coffee take even longer to come down to drinking temperature, which is the opposite of what I want.
Subbed! I’m a PDX guy too, I rock the V60, Stagg XF, EKG and their Ode. Wanting to try espresso sometime soon also
Nice! Portland has a pretty solid coffee scene. Had a great americano at Upper Left today. I'm going to do a video about the EKG this month! I feel like all the videos around it is a first impression and I want to do a video from the perspective of owning it for the last three years. Got a lot of love but a little hate.
Your title mentions Hoffman, but you don’t mention his key difference - adding water THEN adding grounds.
Thoughts on this?
One of the big reasons I don't mention the way Hoffmann brews a clever is because I published the video 4-6 months before Hoffmann released his Clever video. The title is just meant to be silly. I've used this recipe for about a decade and consider it an approachable way to brew. I stand by the recipe and the production value of the video. Working for a global brand, I definitely recognize there are different strokes for different folks, so there's room for both recipes to exist. 😃
@@CoffeeandWater - thanks for replying! Makes sense, I assumed it was a response to Hoffman's Clever guide.
I used a Clever from 2014-16. Just got one again & experimenting again. 🤓
I do find Hoffman’s water-before-coffee route gives a notably better result. Out of interest I’ve tried both ways again over the last few days and my thumb is again firmly up for Hoffman.
Neva betta than James Hoffman 😉 ...but a great video! Thanks for making ☕️
Thank you. I appreciate the support!
"Better than James Hoffmann?" I don't see any improvement over Hoffman's recipe. However, I still pressed like.
better than JH - big shoes to fill in :D
will try your recipe in the morning :)
Hope you enjoyed the recipe! I've been using it for years. It's a pretty straight forward brew with no fuss and easy clean up. Cheers!
4:04 i was low on money and bought cheap coffee and taste awful but when i change the gridding it taste little better 🤷♂️
If you have something a little more developed it's also worth trying a bigger ratio like 1 to 17 or 1 to 18. Only adjust one variable at a time. If you're adjusting dose and grind at the same time it can be hard to identify what's working and what is not. Rule of thumb: adjust dose/ratio for amount of flavor, adjust grind for type of flavor.
Hey! I'd love to try out your method, but could anybody tell me what default grind setting you use on the Commandante C40? Just by eyballing I'd guess it to be 20 - 22 :D.
I am now using a 4-minute, water-first recipe, but my cups are somehow hollow and bitter at the same time (the aftertaste is bitter) and I can't figure out what the heck is going on. I have tried it with various different grind settings 20 - 25 on the Commandante but still can't get that balanced cup...maybe this will help :D.
Hi! Just found this brewer yesterday and gonna try some today- I usually do iced with a lighter-end Ethiopian coffee. Aside from my recipe being iced, radically different, I’m gonna see about starting at around 25 myself on the C40. Or same as I’ve been doing for V60s.
I can try and get back with you on how it goes if you want!
@@coffeedoodles7124 Hey! Forgot about my comment in the first place. Right now I have found that the 18 - 21 range works better for me. I was pissed off - I couldn't get a good coffe (I even stopped drinking it for while), but then went finder on my grinder and lower on my temperature (a little bit, probably 92 - 93 instead of 95 - 98) and the coffees are really good. But I am curious as to how your coffee will taste. I wish you the best brews possible! :D
@@jakub4981 thank you! And that’s awesome! The one I did yesterday turned out really good, I might try finer but I was satisfied :)
Thank you for the video! How many clicks on a timemore c2 grinder? water temperature?
Ever dial it in?
Thoughts on grind size for Baratza Encore and this method?
setting not size
Pro tip: Avoid all the cold wasted coffee left in the carafe by calculating the water and coffee you actually want. Then drain it straight to the mug. You’ve got this!
What is the difference between a "pro tip" and a tip? What if he wants to drink a bit more coffee than his cup can hold? Isn't that the actual purpose of a carafe?
Tony,
Great video and a lot easier to help folks "dial in" the clever over a lot of the 3rd Wave Coffee DingDongs out there. I've been Clever Dripperin for years and years and now recommending this vid to my friends that have been asking me about how I get the perfect cup with my Clever. Seems we use the same dose, grind, and water. Shame though that there are 3K views and such low subs. MORE VIDEOS!
When you decant the first hot water into the carafe, I hope you’re not releasing the water you rinsed the paper filter with, since that has the paper taste residue that will now be in your coffee.
I think he uses it to warm then carafe then pours it down the drain before releasing the coffee
Another great video, Tony! Does the Clever have similar body to aFrench press since it’s going through a filter?
It’s still a pretty full-body cup without the sediment. *sidenote: I think the Clever used in this video was purchased from Kaldi’s on DeMun in 2012 or 2013.
No.
How dare you?? But James Hoffmans said he has the best guide..
Thumbs up for b roll and funny title
Nice video fun and informative thank you
Thanks for the support! It was a fun one to make.
@@CoffeeandWater your welcome
Hey Thanks
Having coffee and watching
From downunder
You keep 90s thumbnails and I'll keep clicking
Awesome Video... 👏👏
Nice video. My french press friends would disagree that this is any paper filter method is an "upgrade" to french press. It is a different method that is supposed to create a categorically different cup of coffee. I am cringing seeing all that ground coffee on top not being extracted for 60 seconds. When I see "Better than James Hoffman" and there is no 3 cup blind taste test... put your money where your mouth is ;) nice video.
Better than which JH method for clever /V60 switch?I have basically ditched all coffee paraphernalia, for the clever a nice electric kettle and an overpriced Ember mug plus a cheap rechargeable burr travel grinder. Rarely do I weigh and measure as I like the simple dimple. Boil good water. rinse filter (preheat vessel) grind and add fresh grinds. Add water. steep 3 minutesish set on mug drip wait to coll to set temp on fancy heated mug. enjoy worm coffee for quite some time. Your method is similar to one of the ways I pour.....but I'll try the suave bottom of the spoon stir. Have never been able to do a safe effective swirl of the brewer. Have you send the water 1st then grinds on top method James credits another geek......I believe he does it in the v60 switch. I MUCH PREFER THE CLEVER. Dand my coffee is good rn! Try my clever in the microwave with the brew to keep the steep at boiling! (the opposite of simple . Start as in your video then put the clever plus brew in microwave give it 10 plus seconds, "rest" a minute. 10 more minute more 10 last secs, the decant. The idea being to keep the brew at 212 the whole brew. If you nuke too long you will have a mess on your hands. JH convinced me using boiling H2O is the way to go at least for light to med roasts. CHEAP GOOD ENOUGH RECHARGEABLE BURR GRINDER: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B92VVKXT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 slow grinds enough for a couple od gups, hell you fancy pants can tare it out on a scale...I just near fill it. I'd say 6 grinds fully loaded per charge. Again SLOW so grind 1st step b4 boil id ancy for joe. Ditch all blade grinders for this one-hitter esp when on the road. POUR ON TOP METHOD: ruclips.net/video/RpOdennxP24/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/LcBh08ovf4Q/видео.html good review of some methods including water 1st.
Nice! ☕️ ☕️ ☕️
John Morgan thanks for the sub, bruh.
Nice!!
Try using a cloth filter instead, would give you even more of the french press experience, as more oils would drip to your cup. Also much more environmental. Maintain the cloth right and it would taste even more neutral than either a papery taste from a non bleached, or chlorine from a bleached one.
What a bold claim that it's "better", when with the grounds first you're risking clogging the filter with the fines, in other words unnecessarily introducing a variable with no apparent benefit?
The title of this video is in the form of a question and not a statement.
Lose the loud intro music and maybe a few more of is will finish watching the video!
Thanks for the feedback, Tommy! They say your first videos are your worst videos. Can only go up from here. Cheers!
Nope! Nope!! No one beats James Hoffmann. Rest on your own laurels and skip CLICK BAIT!!! I will cruise your site, good luck. bob jarrard
Bob
To be fair, Bob, it's not even Hoffmann's recipe. The recipe James posted is from Workshop coffee. I'm a fan as well so no need to get too worked up over it.
so you have a 3.5k $ grinder but you use tap water!... nice
The advantages of living in an area with good water.
To be fair, I use tap water too. Because where I am, the water is perfectly fine for using in drinks.