Impressive work. Also impressive that you are helping out a friend in need. That makes this job much more significant. You put lots of extra hours and creative effort into this to save money. This will be another interesting build. Looking forward to the next video and the finished product. Be sure to video the rollback bed in action. Got to see that Thanks again for taking us along on this interesting project. !
Consider adding some additional cross members between the back of the cab and the axle spring hangers. It will assist in keeping the frame rails strait when heavy loads are applied. In years gone past my dad and I added ell sections to tandem axle dump truck conversion much like you are doing. You are correct it will work and we never had any frame issues when converting a road tractor with a fifth wheel and a light frame section to a tandem axle dump trump service. Our tandem dumps also had a pup hitch on the very rear to pull a pup dump trailer. We also lengthen truck frames using a ell section reenforcement like you are doing.
Hi, I just want to say that you are a good man . The fact that you are helping a friend out like that is great to see. That is a lot of hard work and sore bones. I hope you and your family receive the good fortune you deserve. This has made my week. I was depressed with the amount of bad news around and it is great to see some kindness to a neighbour. Take care...and remember the taillight guarantee!
Nice video of a well thought out conversion. Like the grease barrier between the frame sections to avoid corrosion. Glad it's going back together without any gotchas. Watching for part 2, nice work. Stay safe, talk soon. Doug@ the "ranch"
hey doug! its coming along. lots of work to go on this one. big project with loads of man hours invested. need to be efficient. there are plenty more trucks waiting their turn.
J.C. I know from what I have seen on your channel that you know what you're doing! I hope the keyboard warriors just keep their mouth shut for this video! You are such an inspiration for people who are up in the air thinking about doing anything like this! Or a lot of your videos that pertain to commercial vehicle frame alterations! I personally believe that you go way above and beyond what most people/shops do when altering a commercial vehicle! You are the man when it comes to this kind of work! With that said, keep up the great work and keep the great content coming! I always look forward to seeing your new videos! You, your wife and the rest of your family stay safe and healthy! Best wishes for 2020 Dan @6-4_Fab Glen Rock, PA, USA!
thanks for the kind word dan. i do what i think it will take to make a good reliable truck. i dont want to do something that will cause headaches down the road.
Keyboard Engineers, well said! I've stretched and shortened lots of trucks, but never did an air ride swap. Should be fun to watch. I'm glad Zane told me about your channel!
Always loved the look of the old internationals,drove a 4600 box truck for years,great truck,very interested to see the rollback setup,wish I had engery like you lol
i wish i had the energy i did 5 years ago. it takes me a lot more time to accomplish the same work now as it did back then. i guess my age is creeping up on me.
Yep your on to it, just finished similar project, added a sleeper too on International S line ( your 4700) but is a single drive prime mover ( tractor) your a bit better equipped though i see, good to see someone else doing it also
You make it look easy! I've had some Australian guys comment that they actually put grease zerks in their frame rails when they double frame them so they can add grease and prevent rust.
I have a 1986 model 1954 IH, want a 12 or 14 foot bed, has 16 feet of double frame, hate to spoil it if swapping trucks would help someone else, I'd rather trade trucks than cut one. Love the videos!
Air ride suspension makes sense on a heavy duty rollback tow truck. He'll have the ability to change the beds angle on the ground for low clearance vehicles/equipment, plus it will ride better than those leaf springs. If you give anyone advice they'd be wise to listen. You may not consider yourself a pro but you definitely know what you're doing.
exactly. the air ride suspension allows him to dump the air in the bags and lower the rear of the truck approximately 4 inches. doesnt seem like much but it is huge when considering the load angle. im no pro.....just a guy messing around with trucks.
I used to work for a guy that had a 4700 rollback with 19 aluminum jerrdan bed, it had the 444 engine which is a 7.3 and 5 spd eaton trans. Tough old truck, I don't know if it was double frame or not but it was spring ride and I know it hauled some heavy loads from 12x24 portable buildings to f450s with tool beds. I seen the front tires off the ground 3ft a few times when trying to lift the bed.
maibe put a set of airbag on the end of the rollbed use restrictors and an airtank under a constant pressure , the bags pump up automaticly when theres no load on them let the bed down untill it slams on the bags and they empty slowly through the restrictors intoo the airtank compressing the air from the weight resting on them when the rollbed is lowered on the frame , should lighten the mecanical force on the frame its probably a good idea to tar up the frame and the inside of the strenghtening part so water cant seep in and cause rust
Hi J.C. Greetings from Queensland, Australia..... Glad we don't salt roads here. It appears to me that you and Jonathon W suffer from the same keyboard critics. I like your explanations and reasoning behind what you do,,,, keep the videos coming... And to the critics I would say " Get off your arse and have a go"
The customer/friend is going to be happy with the truck. Wise choice to go with air ride, for several reasons, most importantly the dump valve ability. Are the air bag-to-frame connections the way you maintain pinion angle?
Looks good. Personally I don't believe the angle cut is necessary, more important is to grind a radius where the top in your case or top and bottom in other cases contact the flanges. That is where the stress point really is. The coating between frames is essential with the salt. I use rubberized undercoating and install the rail while it's still tacky. Did you by chance price out new rails? The supplier I last dealt with was crazy cheap, to the point it wasn't worth messing with an old frame.
i understand what you are saying. eliminate the sharp contact point so there is some give and it isnt grinding into the frame. i might do that but i will still do the angle cut. i used grease on this budget build because my friend gave it to me. he bought it at an auction for $5.00! hard to beat that! new steel was far too expensive and not in his budget.
How do you put a flatbed on this? I have a double frame international that measures 35” from out of frame to out of frame and I just purchased a bed for it that is 34” out of frame to out of frame. What do you suggest?
truck is coming along nicely, will you be running an engine driven compressor or electric for the air bags? hope your family is doing well, take care and stay safe!!
mike, it will be electric.....but for other reasons besides it is easier. the compressor he has to use isnt your normal 12 volt air compressor....it is a bit of an oddity. it will require some additional equipment to run but it will suit his needs perfectly.
Nice work. I have a International 4700 right now with a double frame that is rust jacking. What would be the best remedy ya think to resolve it? It was a flatbed and I'm putting on a service body for a mobile welding rig . Should I remove the top frame and replace it?
if it were mine, i would remove the double frame. clean up the main frame and evaluate its condition. be prepared to find some thin spots. at that point, i would decide on replace frame rails completely or replacing with a cutoff.
needed a break from all the camera work, lighting, transferring video, editing, uploading and the negativity i was reading from few viewers. it take a lot of extra time to make videos of these projects and sometimes i want to just work and get it done. i got more trucks fixed in the short time i didnt make any videos than i did in the previous 2 months.
Jc you ever seen the "Pakistani Truck" RUclips channel. Check it out it's wild. You could appreciate it, I've never seen an air tool, socket set, or impact gun at all. Just hand tools, torch, stick welder. They put 1.25" in worth of frame on a Hino on one episode. It's all sketchy as hell, but it works!
@@j.c.smithprojects if one of those safety extremists watch that channel they'll have a heart attack. To be honest though, I squinted watching some poor bastard hold a punch or die and watching some body else swing a 10lb homemade sledge hammer at it. Never saw him miss though, would hate to be stuck with the new guy though....
If you can help, I would like to know if I haul a 20T excavator on a trailer with a 10 wheel dump truck (which I don't own at this time) will I need a CDL?
it can vary by state. however, if you are using the truck and trailer in "commerce" (commerce is "in business to make money or advance in any way") and the gross vehicle weight rating of the truck and the trailer combined is 26,001 lbs or more you are required to have a cdl. there are a few exemptions. based on the truck and trailer you are talking about, they dont apply. however, farm use or privately owned and operated equipment being moved for personal use only with no gain of any kind in ohio does not require a cdl.
...any weight you add will affect your gas mileage, that's a given, you balance that with what you are going to use it for. The advantages might over come that disadvantage, if he's able to do more with the same truck.
I can't find part 2 etc.. Unfortunately that kind of thing happened to me already several times on this channel. Why would someone do this? It's definitely annoying.
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Impressive work.
Also impressive that you are helping out a friend in need. That makes this job much more significant.
You put lots of extra hours and creative effort into this to save money.
This will be another interesting build.
Looking forward to the next video and the finished product.
Be sure to video the rollback bed in action.
Got to see that
Thanks again for taking us along on this interesting project. !
Consider adding some additional cross members between the back of the cab and the axle spring hangers. It will assist in keeping the frame rails strait when heavy loads are applied. In years gone past my dad and I added ell sections to tandem axle dump truck conversion much like you are doing. You are correct it will work and we never had any frame issues when converting a road tractor with a fifth wheel and a light frame section to a tandem axle dump trump service. Our tandem dumps also had a pup hitch on the very rear to pull a pup dump trailer. We also lengthen truck frames using a ell section reenforcement like you are doing.
Hi,
I just want to say that you are a good man . The fact that you are helping a friend out like that is great to see. That is a lot of hard work
and sore bones. I hope you and your family receive the good fortune you deserve. This has made my week. I was depressed with the
amount of bad news around and it is great to see some kindness to a neighbour.
Take care...and remember the taillight guarantee!
Nice video of a well thought out conversion. Like the grease barrier between the frame sections to avoid corrosion. Glad it's going back together without any gotchas. Watching for part 2, nice work.
Stay safe, talk soon.
Doug@ the "ranch"
hey doug! its coming along. lots of work to go on this one. big project with loads of man hours invested. need to be efficient. there are plenty more trucks waiting their turn.
Good video JC. Glad to see you back on here. Stay safe.
It is nice when the customer trusts you and doesn't question the advice you give!!! I love a frankenstien Truck!
Good job JC, looking forward to part 2. Watching from Perth Western Australia.👍
thanks for watching peter! hope you enjoy!
J.C. I know from what I have seen on your channel that you know what you're doing! I hope the keyboard warriors just keep their mouth shut for this video! You are such an inspiration for people who are up in the air thinking about doing anything like this! Or a lot of your videos that pertain to commercial vehicle frame alterations! I personally believe that you go way above and beyond what most people/shops do when altering a commercial vehicle! You are the man when it comes to this kind of work! With that said, keep up the great work and keep the great content coming! I always look forward to seeing your new videos! You, your wife and the rest of your family stay safe and healthy! Best wishes for 2020 Dan @6-4_Fab Glen Rock, PA, USA!
thanks for the kind word dan. i do what i think it will take to make a good reliable truck. i dont want to do something that will cause headaches down the road.
Lol
Great vid JC. Just caught it. Maybe a future project for me.
It never ceases to amaze me that you take something good look at it and see it’s potential and make it 100% better
thanks. i am just trying make it suit my friends needs and keep him from having any preventable troubles.
Good to see a video nice work
What a nice way too help out a friend. Good on ya.
You do great work JC!
thanks. it is coming along.
Awesome work J.C 🙂👍 your friend will be lucky to have that truck when your done. Good use of the pallet jack 😂 I'll have to remember that
have to use what you have zane. this is a big and time consuming project right here.
Keyboard Engineers, well said! I've stretched and shortened lots of trucks, but never did an air ride swap. Should be fun to watch. I'm glad Zane told me about your channel!
the air ride swap has some challenges but that is what makes it interesting to me. happy to have to here.
Lookin good! I can’t wait to see this roll back bed, I’ve never seen one that has arms and cams over as it come up.
it should make an appearance in part 3. next is setting up the air ride.
Looks good! Excited to see that air ride go in!
its done. lots of details in the process. hopefully it will be helpful.
Always loved the look of the old internationals,drove a 4600 box truck for years,great truck,very interested to see the rollback setup,wish I had engery like you lol
i wish i had the energy i did 5 years ago. it takes me a lot more time to accomplish the same work now as it did back then. i guess my age is creeping up on me.
Very nice job!
JC there are many truck mechanics i think your a truck craftsman well done
Yep your on to it, just finished similar project, added a sleeper too on International S line ( your 4700) but is a single drive prime mover ( tractor) your a bit better equipped though i see, good to see someone else doing it also
nice job on that double frame hope to see the installation on the suspension so I can see if I can do it on my International thanks for the video
if i can do it....anyone can. lots of details in the air suspension part of this series. should be helpful.
You make it look easy! I've had some Australian guys comment that they actually put grease zerks in their frame rails when they double frame them so they can add grease and prevent rust.
not a tough job...time consuming, but not tough. i could add grease fittings but i am sure they would only get used once!
The kangaroo wouldn't agree
Looking good man lots of work in to that one already wow.
more time invested than i had hoped but it is what it is.
Sir, you are brilliant. It would never cross my mind to transfer the air suspension holes by placing the donor chassis against the original.
Well as far as adding strength,I think the flange that is in compression usually goes first (buckle)so you are right.
I have a 1986 model 1954 IH, want a 12 or 14 foot bed, has 16 feet of double frame, hate to spoil it if swapping trucks would help someone else, I'd rather trade trucks than cut one. Love the videos!
Air ride suspension makes sense on a heavy duty rollback tow truck.
He'll have the ability to change the beds angle on the ground for low clearance vehicles/equipment, plus it will ride better than those leaf springs.
If you give anyone advice they'd be wise to listen. You may not consider yourself a pro but you definitely know what you're doing.
exactly. the air ride suspension allows him to dump the air in the bags and lower the rear of the truck approximately 4 inches. doesnt seem like much but it is huge when considering the load angle. im no pro.....just a guy messing around with trucks.
I used to work for a guy that had a 4700 rollback with 19 aluminum jerrdan bed, it had the 444 engine which is a 7.3 and 5 spd eaton trans. Tough old truck, I don't know if it was double frame or not but it was spring ride and I know it hauled some heavy loads from 12x24 portable buildings to f450s with tool beds. I seen the front tires off the ground 3ft a few times when trying to lift the bed.
very good old trucks. this one has a dt466. its a little bit heavier. maybe the front end will only be 2 1/2 feet in the air!
Dude you are a master
Nice upload
as usual enjoied your video, greetings from Belgium
thanks for watching paul!
Slick idea to use air bags on a heavy hauler which usually do heavy equipment where load angle matters.
Even long steel plates on the outside of the frame will almost double its strength, so rock on!
i do what i do.....good bad or otherwise. i promise he wont have any trouble with the work i have done.
What a good friend keep up the hard work not to may people out there today that will help there friends like that
thanks this is the kind of stuff I'm intrested in
well your in luck because i have many more trucks to build this summer.
As l listen and watch you l think you know more about what your doing than anybody or even the factory enginers!!!
i dont thinks so but thanks for the kind words.
That's what friends are for, is help 👍
he will truly appreciate this truck.
I do agree with everything you say about doing those double Frames In my time I probly did 40 The same way More Cross members the better turns out
i always try to put as many cross members in as possible. makes a huge difference in the amount of deflection you end up with.
☕☕☕☕☕ thanks for the video that's interesting what you're doing to that truck.
all builds have their challenges....this one is no different. thanks for watching. i hear c.e. mention you often.
@@j.c.smithprojects CE is good RUclips. I watch most all of his stuff.
Just a thought a metal pallet (try the local dirt bike shop quads come in some cool pallets... and make a cradle for the fuel tanks..
maibe put a set of airbag on the end of the rollbed use restrictors and an airtank under a constant pressure , the bags pump up automaticly when theres no load on them let the bed down untill it slams on the bags and they empty slowly through the restrictors intoo the airtank compressing the air from the weight resting on them when the rollbed is lowered on the frame , should lighten the mecanical force on the frame
its probably a good idea to tar up the frame and the inside of the strenghtening part so water cant seep in and cause rust
Hi J.C. Greetings from Queensland, Australia..... Glad we don't salt roads here. It appears to me that you and Jonathon W suffer from the same keyboard critics. I like your explanations and reasoning behind what you do,,,, keep the videos coming... And to the critics I would say " Get off your arse and have a go"
I wish I had a shed like that with all the tools
dont wish it....make it happen. everything i own, i worked for. nothing was given to me. if i can do it, anyone can. my point is, you can have it.
The customer/friend is going to be happy with the truck. Wise choice to go with air ride, for several reasons, most importantly the dump valve ability. Are the air bag-to-frame connections the way you maintain pinion angle?
there are plates between the axle and the spring that are pitched to create pinion angle.
Looks good. Personally I don't believe the angle cut is necessary, more important is to grind a radius where the top in your case or top and bottom in other cases contact the flanges. That is where the stress point really is. The coating between frames is essential with the salt. I use rubberized undercoating and install the rail while it's still tacky. Did you by chance price out new rails? The supplier I last dealt with was crazy cheap, to the point it wasn't worth messing with an old frame.
i understand what you are saying. eliminate the sharp contact point so there is some give and it isnt grinding into the frame. i might do that but i will still do the angle cut. i used grease on this budget build because my friend gave it to me. he bought it at an auction for $5.00! hard to beat that! new steel was far too expensive and not in his budget.
@@j.c.smithprojects yeah kind of the same reason they use a thin layer of wood or plastic between the bed and the frame.
How do you put a flatbed on this? I have a double frame international that measures 35” from out of frame to out of frame and I just purchased a bed for it that is 34” out of frame to out of frame. What do you suggest?
I like keyboard engineer 🤣👍
So when you added the frame onto the other frame didn't that change the axle width? What did u do to compensate for that?
the suspension has enough room in the mounts to "compensate" for the add thickness of the extra steel.
truck is coming along nicely, will you be running an engine driven compressor or electric for the air bags? hope your family is doing well, take care and stay safe!!
mike, it will be electric.....but for other reasons besides it is easier. the compressor he has to use isnt your normal 12 volt air compressor....it is a bit of an oddity. it will require some additional equipment to run but it will suit his needs perfectly.
Hey buddy how’s it going!
Nice work. I have a International 4700 right now with a double frame that is rust jacking. What would be the best remedy ya think to resolve it? It was a flatbed and I'm putting on a service body for a mobile welding rig . Should I remove the top frame and replace it?
if it were mine, i would remove the double frame. clean up the main frame and evaluate its condition. be prepared to find some thin spots. at that point, i would decide on replace frame rails completely or replacing with a cutoff.
@@j.c.smithprojects Thank you , I wish I would of inspected much better before purchasing it.
Badass projects you be doing !!!
Knock them all out by your self??
just me and my wife.
Maybe I over looked something but to me it looks like this truck has hydraulic brakes.I was wondering what will feed air to the rear suspension?
good eye greg! we will address that in part 2.
Dude you are a one man army lol
How's everything going JC? Staying safe and busy?
busy. making good use of this quiet time. trying to get as much work done as i can while my phone wasnt ringing.
Went from shirt sleeves to sweatshirts must be in Ohio!
sometimes within hours!
Do it your way it it works that's what counts
worse case it doesnt work like i think it will and i will have to overcome and adapt. wouldnt be the first time.....certainly wont be the last.
@@j.c.smithprojects yeah I know that not everything works out the way we want but I'm quite sure you know exactly what your doing I have faith JC
Welcome back, been awhile . I thought you quit youtube
needed a break from all the camera work, lighting, transferring video, editing, uploading and the negativity i was reading from few viewers. it take a lot of extra time to make videos of these projects and sometimes i want to just work and get it done. i got more trucks fixed in the short time i didnt make any videos than i did in the previous 2 months.
At 24:4 , I puked from motion sickness🤪. For a while, I thought you were Ragland Giivens partner in Justified
i do the best i can when i can.
Jc you ever seen the "Pakistani Truck" RUclips channel. Check it out it's wild. You could appreciate it, I've never seen an air tool, socket set, or impact gun at all. Just hand tools, torch, stick welder.
They put 1.25" in worth of frame on a Hino on one episode. It's all sketchy as hell, but it works!
yes and dont forget the 2 foot tall sets of springs!
@@j.c.smithprojects if one of those safety extremists watch that channel they'll have a heart attack.
To be honest though, I squinted watching some poor bastard hold a punch or die and watching some body else swing a 10lb homemade sledge hammer at it. Never saw him miss though, would hate to be stuck with the new guy though....
Lol call out the kids that sleep in class J.C!!!!
i call them as i see them...like it or hate it.....it is just who i am. hope you all are doing ok still. hello to kaycee and ricky as well.
Truck has hydraulic brakes. What will you use as a compressor for the air ride suspension?
that will be addressed in the next video about the air ride suspension.
If you can help, I would like to know if I haul a 20T excavator on a trailer with a 10 wheel dump truck (which I don't own at this time) will I need a CDL?
it can vary by state. however, if you are using the truck and trailer in "commerce" (commerce is "in business to make money or advance in any way") and the gross vehicle weight rating of the truck and the trailer combined is 26,001 lbs or more you are required to have a cdl. there are a few exemptions. based on the truck and trailer you are talking about, they dont apply. however, farm use or privately owned and operated equipment being moved for personal use only with no gain of any kind in ohio does not require a cdl.
Hello JC, your latest upload is blank again. This has happened several times with your uploads. Can you please upload again? Peter
Somebody has been watching Pakistani Trucker channel lol
The more I watch what you do the more I like you and your wife too
Bbb😂
Where’s part II?
double frame affect your gas mileage ?
...any weight you add will affect your gas mileage, that's a given, you balance that with what you are going to use it for. The advantages might over come that disadvantage, if he's able to do more with the same truck.
Man this stuffs time consuming dont take long to have a whole day in something and only get a little bit accomplished.😆
it sure does but it is usually always worth the effort!
I can't find part 2 etc.. Unfortunately that kind of thing happened to me already several times on this channel. Why would someone do this? It's definitely annoying.
go the the play list for this build. you can watch them all