Atheist Pastor Challenges Professor… You Won’t Believe His Response!
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- "Does God Exist?" We'll hear from Dan Baker, a former pastor of 19 years who turned atheist, and John Lennox, an Oxford Mathematician professor, as they share their arguments for and against the existence of God.
Prof. John Lennox is not just debating, he's also ministering 😊❤
and thats the problem - in a debate you deal with facts - ministering is making stuff up
@@wolfie5 So you say.....
@@wolfie5 says who? Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it's made up. Grow up.
@@anguspure History of Egypt shows upto 1150 BCE that they ruled all the Exodus lands so Israel did not also rule them - check the history in maps between Thutmosis III to Ramesses IV and you will find out the Exodus was a lie. Which means the bible is a lie
@@robbietolkien6948USE SCIENCE
"What is God doing on a cross? ... God has not remained distant from our human suffering but has become part of it." Wow, tears ...
When was this 'God' on a cross?
My favorite line too!
@@Theo_Skeptomai 2000 years ago duhhhh,the reason we're in AD
@@cherrysurgeon6922 So, approximately 24 AD. Are you aware of any _evidentiary facts_ that demonstrate that this 'God' was on a cross? Yes or no.
@cherrysurgeon6922 Well, are you?
I grew up and was raised in a communist country where atheism was the norm. Nobody told there was God. And yet as a very young boy I was trying to persuade other kids that there was One. How did I know that? Nobody was saying anything about Him. I knew it in my heart by nature. Human nature itself is proof of the existence of God. We all know that we are going to die but we never live with that feeling even in old age. Where does that come from? We were made in the image of God.
Whether humans inherently know or believe in the existence of a god is a complex question that intersects with psychology, sociology, anthropology, philosophy, and theology.
People want to believe in leaders, because they are pack animals developed by evolution to look for one.
What better imaginary leader can their be than an imaginary perfect one?
The bible disproves ITSELF
Deuteronomy 18. 21. 22
And if thou say in thine heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
A prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jesus Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.
This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to spreading the obvious and demonstrable truth of Christian claims.
If I’m not converted it would only be fair for believers to apologise and devote their lives to promoting the light of reason, based on sound reasoning, facts and evidence.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that the biblical character lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Amen!
@@mardagatan8779 RAmen!
How did you know there was a God? Nature? If nature is the answer, then all the people you were trying to persuade should also know there's a God, and thus why must you persuade them?
For 30 years of my life, I thought like any ordinary atheist there is no God,
but at the age of 30, something supernatural happened to me, and God dealt with me in a very painful illness due to a large tumor in my body. When I entered a church by chance, not out of faith, I remembered a friend who was a believer years ago and said to me, “Do you know that I was very sick? I asked Christ and He healed me.” At the time, I did not care about his words because of my lack of faith, but when I was in pain, I remembered that friend. In the church that I entered by chance because it was old and beautiful, I said to myself, “I will try this God.” So I asked God to heal me, and my prayer was simple. I said, “Lord, take the pain from me.” When I opened my eyes, the tumor had completely disappeared. From that moment, I believed in the existence of God and believed that Christ is real and still performs miracles, as written about Him. To this day, I experience supernatural things. Christ is real. God really exists.
Amen brother. And to think all we have to do is ask Him and receive Him by trusting in Him and who He is.
GOD bless you richly and may the Spirit of our Almighty LORD and GOD continue to do a great work in you and help your light shine so bright that others around you are compelled by your witness and testimony.
When we place our faith in Jesus the Christ, we become the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 3:16) and have the Holy of Holies living IN us, eternity living in us.
And that can never be lost once you have been "justified by faith" (Romans 5:1), washed in the blood of Christ "once for all" (Hebrews 10:10).
He who believes "HAS eternal life" (John 6:47), and "eternal life" (John 5:24), is "for ever" (John 14:16).
"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. . . ."
James 4:8A
❤✝️🙏🔥☝
Look up cancer remission. And i hope you live long.
Thanks be to God that you have experienced the existence, power and love of God. So, I believe that you are not anymore afraid of going back to Him to Heaven, in case you will die with illness.
@@imrevince862
I have no illness,
My health is very good, I am not afraid of death or anything
@@kansuke33
My health is very good thanks God,
I am not afraid of cancer or anything,
Sadly, this former pastor is a case of the seed falling on rocky soil and withered because it had no root.
Is that why Christianity is declining, you mean?
well it’s partly the reason as that particular parable describes, but it not the only one. Nor should it be unexpected. We have free will and people get to choose their beliefs. Sadly, some reject God and turn their back on the creator, others acknowledge Him as creator and give thanks and praise. Scripture also describes it this way, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14. Regardless of what anyone believes truth is truth and none of us are getting out of here alive. When that day comes we will no longer be able to deny God regardless of what we want to believe. God bless brother!
Truly sad!
Instead he has a brain
@@thedomesticmonk772
What free will do you think you have? After EVERY SINGLE ONE of your decisions is dictated and predetermined by your nature (where and when you were born) and nurture (how you were brought up, experiences that you’ve had interacting with others), both of which are outside of your control, then comes god and says “I’ll take pity on him I will and car out whom I don’t like” (I’m paraphrasing). He can harden anyone’s heart, he says that himself, and he does that often. So how can you or anyone else blame any other person for what they do? If god decided to make Dan Barker an atheist, shouldn’t you applaud Dan Barker for doing god’s will?
Christianity’s position fails any which way you look at it. God fails, if he even exists.
And I think this is a prime example of the difference between a man who has been called by God to be a pastor, and a man who has been merely ordained by men.
Isnt it just amazing how he was a pastor for like 19 years are so and yet he still thinks prayer is a ask God get what you want scheme.
@@Calem-ky9hu I agree, maybe he didn't read Job.
@@Calem-ky9hu Isn't that what that is all about? i'm pretty much sure, if you go to any church, everyone will always say that you only need to pray, and your wishes will be granted, but guess what, you don't see that happening ever, do you? i'm pretty much sure i didn't see my cousin's arm being regenerated after my family prayed for him... he lost his limbs in a car accident.
There's usually no difference
@@joeygrace2464Are “pretty much sure”?
I too had hard questions and left the faith for 20 years. But God called me back and now I am getting answers to those questions because my faith gives me the courage to ask them and know God will answer.
😊
How exactly does god answer?
@@realitybites265 God will speak to you in a way you will know IF you genuinely cry out to Him. I could share my testimony but wouldn't you rather find out for yourself? God is not a beggar, nor is He a despot. If you don't want to know God and all that knowing He exists means then He'll accept your decision.
@@user-uo8kb5rv7n So I just have to use my imagination and an imaginary god will appear? Thats very delusional dont you think?
Please seek medical help
God have mercy on Mr. Dan Baker.
He's angry at God and without hope.
It's very sad to listen to him mocking the faith in this God who loves him infinitely and desires to save him from an eternal existence separated from Him.
Let's keep praying for his salvation 🙏🏾
He thinks God should be Father Christmas.
If he really wants to save him he never create eternal hell in the first place for not just believing in him without strong evidence
Christians and criticsm and 69 u barely know the diffrence
Yes, he's angry. He hasn't read the book of Genesis, I suspect. And all his questions are quite primitive. Atheists repeat the same questions over and over.
@@bhanu8282you see he was not created for people but for demons. People choose for themselves if that will be their final destination by rejecting Christ. Choose this day whom you shall follow. Chose life.
The pastor wasn't "sharing the Gospel" for 19 years. He was pontificating his ignorance of it.
Bullshit!
This pastor is an example of someone was deeply embedded in Christianity as a religion but never actually adopted it himself as a faith.
To join the faith involves surrendering your self, which is how you actually discover Jesus in the 1st place.
@@EternalVisionToday No, he simply eventually saw through the bullshit, and the best way to do that is to actually PROPERLY READ the bible, yourself, alone, with ZERO external distractions or influences.
@bozyip remember to say something as a rebuttal with no evidence whatsoever means you have to be correct, right?
@@captainnoobface1124 Because it's simply bullshit, and Lennox is just "another" pathetic apologists either making excuses for, or trying to use Cosmology God of the Gaps crap, or mathematics to prove God, which he can't. Now if somebody could actually show me "irrefutable" evidence for God's existence that DIDN'T involve supposition, conjecture, speculation, assumption, postulation, guesswork, wishful thinking, hoping or personal opinions (based on zero actual evidence), then I'd be genuinely interested, HOWEVER !!!, to date, nobody has, and I strongly doubt that anybody ever will :-)
A 6 year old girl named Daisy had cancer, she was the daughter of a local Pastor. I did not know her or go to their church, but I prayed diligently for her for months before the cancer took her life.
Two years ago my sister came down with the rarest and most aggressive metastatic breast cancer known, only 300 cases in the country. Stage 3. They told her “this type of cancer does not respond well to chemotherapy, but it may give you more time”. She under went chemo and radiation treatment as we all prayed for her. I had an assurance God would heal her. After months of very strong treatment they did imaging and were shocked to see it diminished greatly. So much so they decided to do surgery.
After surgery and more treatment she was declared cancer free. Her Doctor said to her “you don’t understand how lucky you are! This just doesn’t happen with this cancer! Why did God spare my sister and not daisy? I trust Daisy is with Him, I trust God for everything.
Appeal to emotion. Human bodies are very complex and unpredictable systems, composed of numerous interacting components. Sometimes people survive major car accidents, while others die from a minor fall out of bed. For instance, brain injuries and hemorrhages are leading causes of death among trauma patients; however, the extent of damage can vary significantly between individuals. Some patients survive, while others do not. This is not evidence of any deity, interfering in life.
can you repeat these miracles though, cos even if they were real things humans do better than god, one person gets lucky maybe and no one knows what the spell is that you have to cast, it's totally hit and miss, so much so you might as well cross your fingers and assume that's what made them recover.
on the other hand while jesus healed ONE leper, humans cured leprosy.
don't be silly, god isn't real. just ONE person in a hospital gets cured and it's a miracle - god can't be arsed curing EVERYONE though eh.
How can you be a pastor for 19 years but turn away because of the most basic atheist arguments?
"You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" - Jesus
It is likely that more advanced arguments caused his apostasy, but he only has an in depth knowledge of the more basic ones.
It's hard to say. Usually something Happens that hurts the person, makes the angry at Christianity, and suddenly the arguments of atheism get a foothold, weak though they may be.
This "pastor' stopped praying. That's how he fell away.
He was worshipping a false god that he believed was the one true God, no different than the Israelites with a golden idol in the desert, they believed that was a representation of God, but it was just an empty statue. You can tell when he talks about his god knowing his own future, but God is timeless so past, present, and future do not apply like it does to us bound by linear time.
Well my dear former pastor, God's existence does not depend on Noble Price, neither God needs anything or anyone to prove his existence.
The Bible is sufficient.
Thanks!
No it is not ;)
And even the testimony of creation and the conscience.
People are trying to disprove Bible from 2000 years but that’s what bring more people to Jesus.
Hallelujah
The information should be there. If God gave us reason he should not punish us for using it and where it leads us. Peace.
@@joecheffo5942actually yes he did give us the ability to reason but who says he's punishing us for reasoning? He only punishes the people who use their freewill wrongly. God can do what he wants he's our creator anything he does will be good we shouldnt worry. He has to punish for sin if not evil wins and the cross Jesus died on did nothing.
@@shydalelewis3966 What is free will? Can you define it? If a child is taught Islam, does he have the free will to not believe it?
Do you think you control your thoughts? If so, try to stop thinking for five minutes. It's impossible.
If I tell you to think of a city, just one city, What city did you think of? Did you "choose it" or did it just pop into your head?
Do you really think "on purpose" or do thoughts just arise?
It's weird that most people in jail are poor, less educated, more learning disability, more abuse as children. That seems more the cause then they are just "wicked". What do you think?
@@joecheffo5942frewill os something we all have its also something god has this is why he also gave it to us. We have the ability to do what we want literally. This doesnt mean we should just do ANYYTHING like sin he didnt give us the will to sin but although we do have the ability to do wrong so we can also have the ability to do good. Without freewill god would have made us robots but he wants us to freely choose to love him not be programed to do so. So for example we have the choice to sin or not, basically freewill us just the ability to choose.
If a child were born into islam they definitely have the choice to leave it thats how freewill works we can choose how we want our life to go but when it comes to gods word we should use are free choice to do the right thing which is to follow him.
Now when it comes to controlling my thoughts you definitely can do so your example of stoping trying to think is a horrible example for this kinda conversation. Nobody's saying we should stop thinking all together when god is in the picture he gives us the ability to overcome these thoughts/temptations that are given to us. I have plenty of things i think about that arent good but i still can control if i give into them or not. I can pray god will help me get rid of these thoughts his power is strong so no its not impossible as you think. It goes bot ways the devil cam pop something in your head at anytime it matters if i give into this temptation.
At times the devil tempts us and at times we ourselves think of something bad it goes both ways. So yes thoughts csn arise and they can be put their by a spiritual intity.
@@joecheffo5942 I'm not really sure what to say about that last part about the jail thing all these guys are in where they are because of their freewill choice to do these these criminal acts. At times it's not their fault because many times the innocent person is in cuffs. These people are definitely wicked it's all about temptations and what we choose to do with them we can continue to do God's will or do ours and the result of doing there's us ending up in a cell by following the devils way of life.
Pastor Dan, this verse is for you.
1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV
[14] The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
That’s why God does the rebirth.
....A book says a thing..........YAWN
This guy is descended from a Native American tribe. They had their spiritual beliefs. Then they were decimated by guess who.
@@joecheffo5942 Invading White Capitalists?
Corinthians I, Paul says he has taken no money from the church. Corinthians 2, Paul says he has taken money. This is the guy we must believe 😂
My heart broke with this confused soul. May he wake up again from his earthly sleep. ✝️💞🙏✌
Yes, great counter-argument ... were you working on that for long?
I feel the same way about your delusion.
@@ashtonalexander8760 May you wake up, too. Jesus bless us all. ✝️🙏✌💞
@@grantshalks7338May Jesus bless all our journeys. ✝️🙏✌💞
@@ramonfabular1022 Stop doing that tired religious routine of including other people in your belief system whether they like it or not. I think the Bible is pure hogwash, so don't have its main character bless me, thanks.
First minute in and he said "maybe there's an evil god"...there you go folks. Common atheist mindset claiming there's no god but in reality they just hate God. They blame all sufferings onto God when in reality, it's man who caused suffering. Suffering exists because man chooses to inflict suffering on others directly or indirectly. Reading the book of Job instantly answers the problem of suffering and why it happens.
"And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me..." - Jesus
That’s so evil and sad. I hate Jesus so much for that
Yes, brother. He did not wait for his condemnation. He went straight into it.
@@ethanjohnson995How is that evil? If Jesus never knew someone that means that they were never truly saved, which was not God’s fault but that persons fault.
@@delossruddmusic4789 How is it the persons fault? Does the all powerful God save people or the other way around?
By the way, if Jesus decides he "never knew you" why send them to hell? If I don't know someone I ignore them, I don't torture them.
@@joecheffo5942 God is the One that saves people through His grace, but it’s up to the person as to whether or not they accept the Gospel or reject it. Like if someone has a disease and a doctor tells them that there is a vaccine but that person rejects it, it’s not the doctors fault. And Jesus doesn’t decide if He never knew someone. It’s the person’s choice as to whether or not they reject the Gospel.
The atheist makes the simplest most obvious mistake in his argument. He says God can’t come from nothing. He’s putting God inside his own creation, but God is outside His own creation. He cannot be explained by the human mind. God did not create us with a mind that can comprehend the creator.
Wrong.
The religious say "something can't come from nothing.' Right?
Then it logically follows that either
1. God always existed
Or
2. Something natural always existed.
Understand that?
Then it also logically follows that IF the stupid religious twat tries to argue "nothing can be created from nothing therefore god" Then we apply the exact standards to your god that you apply to out nature and find out that god cannot exist without a creator. It's a dumb argument.
If you want special pleading to say that we can't understand god then we can say that you also can't understand the metaphysics of our natural existence.
If you want to say god by definition is uncreated I can say naturalistic pantheism is uncreated or just quantum fields or energy are uncreated.
If you are allowed special pleading then we are too
Even IF god didn’t come from nothing (lets say he always existed) he still has to create the universe, the earth and all it’s contents from nothing, where did all this stuff come from?
@@utube1818 Exactly, christians say athiests think the universe came from nothing, but its the opposite, they think god made the universe, but if there was no material to make it from then he made it from or out of nothing.
And that's not even the atheist position anyway, personally I don't think it came from nothing, I don't know where it came from.
@@colinjava8447 Well its God, hes not constrained to the universe. So using logic born in this universe is illogical.
@@WhyAreWe_Here So what's the answer then?
I love listening to John Lennox what is a tool of God may he bless him and his family always
I agree. Such wonderful reasoning skills and so faithful to Jesus.
This ex pastor never knew God, he was never given the seal of the Holy Spirit. Once you know Him you can't go back.
By labeling a former pastor who left creationism as 'weak,' 'don't understood', creationists are attempting to discredit his arguments and testimony. Barker knows exactly what he's talking about, and you are upset because you know it's true. It's not just him; more and more preachers and pastors are leaving Christianity and becoming atheists. You are also lying here, because I had a friend that was Christian, speaking in tounges and tried to persuade me also becoming a believer in Jesus. Later on he left his belief, I was shocked and he admitted it was a delusion.
"Ayn Rand distinguishes her philosophy as one that celebrates the cerebral; she acknowledged man's mind as the ultimate source of man's achievement."
-Anonymous-from an Objectivist forum
I agree
@@bernicerogers2383 No true Scotsman fallacy. Do better!
Yes, you can. Everyone has the choice. But I simply cannot fathom why anyone would choose faithlessness after experiencing even a brief moment of God's mercy.
Sure, the faith of men can be weak. But anyone who believes has experiences faith stretch and contract like a muscle. Faith grows the same. Some people suffer tears and stop exercising their faith instead of asking God for healing or even guidance at the very least.
However, it is in these moments most of all that we must strive to present whatever minuscule shred of faith we have to the Lord, forsaking even our own minds if we would believe our faith to be in err. Faith in Christ is never wrong, regardless of what you're going through, how you feel, what you think, or what you believe. Faith in Jesus Christ is never wrong.
The argument about why doesn't God heal every child in the children's hospital completely overlooks the overall problem of, and solution to death given in the Bible. The Bible says nowhere that everyone who is prayed for will be healed, it just says to pray for the sick. The solution for death is not for every sick person to be healed, because even if that were to happen, what then? Will that person then live for ever, because they got healed from that one disease or injury? No, the curse of sin and death is still upon all of humanity. Even Lazarus, who was raised from the dead by Jesus, eventually died. So what is the solution to sin and death? The blood of Jesus, which covers our sins, and allows us to be raised up on the last day, just as Jesus himself was raised from the dead and then ascended to heaven. That is our ultimate promise. Healing is temporary, salvation is eternal.
Are there babys in hell?
@@nelsontubehun
Of course not. You can read Romans chapter 2 of the Bible for an explanation of God's judgement.
@@fazole no ty. The Bible is a man made fiction.
But what I heard is we are all born sinners. So babys too.
@@nelsontubehun our human nature is sinful does not mean babies go to hell when they die they haven’t committed any sin so God wouldn’t hold it against u when ur just a baby
@@XiomaraReyes1 so according to you. Andrea Yates did the right thing.
Saying, "Nothing fails like prayer." Really demonstrates that he did not understand the nature of prayer even prior to his atheism.
What _exactly_ does Barker not understand about prayer? Please be specific.
@@Theo_Skeptomai We are not really meant to pray for worldly things. We are meant to pray for our repentance.
Invoking God to secure a desired outcome is exactly what pagan divination practices were trying to do.
@@chuckliquor3663 agreed
@@chuckliquor3663 Except when you and every other American does it.
@@Theo_Skeptomai ever prayer gets one of three answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Wait
This former "pastor" believed (incorrectly) that because he didn't get a Yes that prayer fails. But that is not true. Prayer is not a guarantee that we get whatever we ask for whenever we ask for it. Sometimes, what we pray for isn't the right thing, or it may be the right thing, but it may not be the right thing right now. God is timeless: he knows the end from the beginning. He knows if our request ultimately is for good, for bad, or for another time.
Imagine a child asking his parents for a dozen cookies. The parent says, "No." The child then says, "Well, that's proof that you don't exist." C'mon Theo... would you accept that as at all logical? That's exactly what this pastor used as an example for "proof" that God doesn't exist.
What he does not realise is that all police know that when several people give exactly the same testimony, they know it is a lie.
Absolute rubbish !!! Christian Cold Case apologetics garbage.
@@bozyipPeople say the same story different ways so if they use the same language and put in the too many of the same details in too orderly of a manner then yes they are lying because they came together and planned what to say.
@@whitney9844 Bullshit !!!
If 4 people see a person get hit by a red car, and they all say they saw a person being hit by a red car, then they are ALL TELLING THE TRUTH !!!
This Cold Case garbage has been floated by Christian apologists for ages now and it's just dishonest crap to try to explain the blatant contradictions in the bible, and particularly the 4 gospels.
If 4 people allegedly witnesses the exact same thing at exactly the same time and they ALL heard a guy on a cross speak his very last words a split second before he died, then all 4 of those witnesses would say they heard the SAME WORDS spoken, BUT, they DON'T.
There are THREE completely different accounts of THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things that were said, all at the same time, and the bible proves that "irrefutably".
Cold Case apologetics is nothing more than a pathetic dishonest attempt to try to explain away biblical contradictions, whether you like it or not, but, if you're happy to be lied to and conned, as the vast majority of Christians are who simply cannot accept the "truth" as printed in black and white in EVERY bible, then fine, believe the lie and the deliberate Christian apologetic con, but the fact is, it's still there, like it or not.
Tell me who Satan is ?
@@bozyipprovide Scientific evidence that it's Garbage Since you believe in Science
@@whitney9844 People also say different stories in different ways (e.g. guards and earthquake or an already rolled stone).
And it's a null point anyway because there was still collusion between gospel authors, Matthew and Luke copied from Mark, that they changed things in Mark in ways that cause contradictions doesn't change that.
The fact he changed his mind about God means he never knew Him in the first place.
It means he objectively considered the evidence, and not believed something comforting just on "faith".
@@iriemon1796 yeah sad
I'm just wondering if you heard his reasons why he's not a believer now? Does he have a point?
Right.. Exactly
That is a circular argument. How can anyone change if there is nothing to change for.
If God doesn't exist, then all of humanites' existence is ultimately and emphatically meaningless. There would be no way around that hard fact. From "primordial dirt" we arose and to the dirt we will return. All meaning would be totally subjective.
I utterly reject any beginning without God. And if he doesn't exist,which he does, I will die believing that he exists because if he doesn't, again he does, it will not matter. I will still die a happy, God-fearing man.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.
_"f God doesn't exist, then all of humanites' existence is ultimately and emphatically meaningless. "_
You really believe that the only way your life can have meaning is if there is a magical god in the sky? If you really did believe that, your life must be quite sad. I doubt that you actually do though.
_"All meaning would be totally subjective."_
....and??
Do you have an argument against this?
If there isn't meaning naturally/ objective embedded in nature/reality whatever meaning we want made up is not truth just by "yes there is" or at least isn't coherent be looking for something that doesn't exist in nature. Therefore a subjective meaning is off the table . But if there is (something objective from where all stem) "perhaps" we could try and search meaning, wherever that take us.
Btw your answer to OP was intersting. (P. D. not a argument but a comment)
@LouisPerez-wf1yi
_"Life is meaningless without God though."_
As I allude to above, if the only way you can find meaning in your life is with a magical god in the sky, then your life must be very sad.
I will argue the point for the original commentor.
You did not get the meaning of what he is saying. No one is saying you can't find your own meaning, that's not the issue at all.
The issue is ultimate meaning. Meaning greater than you.
If nature is the only thing that truly exists, and God does not. Your very existence is meaningless. It doesn't matter what you find in yourself, your existence bears no relevance. So the question is why exist? Why is there something rather than nothing?
Think about it...there's a universe...there's elements, molecules, complexity, and you. Nature made the earth, it made the sun, it made gravity, it positioned everything correctly for life to exist. The correct elements exist for you to exist. All for the sun to eventually run out of fuel and eviscerate everything near to it. The very life it made it just destroyed. There's no meaning to anythings existence.
Nothing made itself and destroys itself...no meaning to ever exist in the first place. Seems contradicting to me to even exist and just doesn't make sense...
Nothing, rather than something seems to be more reasonable if there is no God.
@@camonly849
_"If nature is the only thing that truly exists, and God does not. Your very existence is meaningless."_
Not to me it isn't.
Not to my family it isn't.
Theists aren't clear enough when they make this argument.
They aren't just referring to 'meaning', they are talking about some special godly assigned meaning.
....and my answer to that is... and...yeah... so what is your argument? Are you saying 'i'd like it more if a magical man decided my life was more special'....because that's what it sounds like.
_"Nothing made itself and destroys itself"_
That's a completely topic and no, atheists don't claim that nor is that the only alternative to the story of your biblical god.
500 years from now, nobody is going to remember this man. However God, our Lord Jesus will still be here. Someday, everything in this world will pass, but his word shall never pass.
I hate editing comments but I realized some of my commas were erased for some reason. So the comment read kinda funny lol. It's like you had to read and take a double look to understand what I was trying to write. God bless everyone!
At the rate churches are closing down they will all be gone long before your 500 years
@@truthgiver8286 The first bit is true, but you can't shut down belief in the human heart...
@@El_Paracleto that's an oxymoron If people still believed in their hearts the churches would not be closing.
@@truthgiver8286 I don't go to church, though i have tried previously, but i'm not going to go into such here...Yes, there is a 'falling away' from belief in God, but that isn't evidence God doesn't exist, i would argue it's because people either don't know God, or they're not convinced by the 'arguments' against or for, which is fair enough...Also, not surprising people aren't going to church with all the revelations of abuse, etc...I know many people who still believe in God, but aren't willing to attend church, for different reasons...Lastly, Jesus actually predicted there would be a 'falling away', so it's not as if God doesn't know what's going on...He does, as He knows ALL THINGS...Peace...
@@El_Paracleto I agree it is not evidence that god does not exist but you do not have any proof he does exist either. I also disagree that god knows all things he did not know that the earth orbits the sun.
I have walked through the road that has no God. Such a lonely road to walk. Forever seeking the one thing or things that will satisfy my soul.
The lies, one by one failed my heart, the pleasures turned to disgust. Each promise shortly stole more dignity.
The years moved by without a place to find that happiness , no end to the ever struggle what must my purpose be.
Then one day a friend ask me just spend a time with me. In short I found the One that satisfied my want made life a
Pleasure to live, a purpose not found in man alone .
Clinton Smith what you wrote is so beautiful and so perfect. Is this a poem or writing that you're quoting? I ask because I certainly don't want to take credit or give credit to the wrong author... 🙏
Yeah but what about truth? Truth is the set of facts about reality. There either is or isn't a god.
* How do we know truth reliably? Evidence.
* What don't we have for any god? Evidence.
* So we don't know any gods exist.
* So if truth is our goal, we shouldn't believe.
But yeah it's up to you whether it matters more to fake yourself out that you're "walking" with an imaginary friend vs. being rational with the millions of atheists in the world who value truth.
@@majmage how are people so sure there's no god? As my background used to get involved with spiritual things like witchcraft and many more things I can tell you there's definitely a spiritual side of this world. I myself have experienced demonic activitie it's really nothing new it's only new to people who have been under a rock. Our ancestors used to tap into the spiritual world all the time and we do so today in America. In Africa, Louisiana,New Orleans etc these placed are very known for spells it's true. My family are also linked to freemasonry these people do stuff all the time behind closed doors. Trust me if God was some imagination I brung up I wouldn't be trying to tell people about it I've seen what he can do.
Some people just don't know and some do know god. He will give you evidence or proof we need to respect how he wants to show us stop being selfish making God do things our way.
What religion is that if you kind to share
Mysteriously theists never seem interested in truth. It's almost like an interest in truth is corrosive to religious belief, yeah?
Even if God split the sky open and said "You wanted evidence here I AM." some people STILL wouldn't believe but see it as a hallucination.
You are so correct. Jesus performed a miracle to heal a man's withered hand and after healing Him before their eyes , they attributed to Satan.
How many people do you think have been called pastor all their lives but not really called? Some people quit believing because they can't understand why God does or doesn't. If they can't explain the mind of the God they're serving, then they refuse to believe. 1 Corinthians 3:19 - "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
No true Scotsman - nice one sir !
All of them until you can identify and demonstrate even one supposed spiritual calling.
You can't even find it in your Bible (apostles are not pastors), let alone the real world.
This is not an intellectual battle, it’s falsely been made so….its a spiritual battle.
Ephesians 6:12.
“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.”
The Bible: Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Also The Bible: Kill entire towns full of people if just one person in that town worships a different god.
crazy talk.
Actually, it is something of a intellectual battle. It does take a certain amount of critical thinking abilities to get beyond the delusion that leads to blind obedience. Honest intellectual curiosity is not something associated with religion.
This spiritally poor man needs to be saved from his own pathetic arguments 😣
I'm a hard core Christian and I wrestle with the INTELLECTUAL question of excruciating pain and suffering. For me and many others It's both an emotional and an intellectual question.
MANY SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.
Your cap lock is stuck mate.
there we go again!
you know god hates people who can't find the capslock don't you?
So @@utube1818
@@old_nick_the_so-and-so no, people like u
Because He changed his mind doesn't make the Bible false. ✝️💞🙏✌
It is false. The Bible is historically, archaeologically, and scientifically inaccurate. Religions, inclusive Christianity is based on mythology and folklore but your faith blinds you for seeing it. It's more cousy staying in the delusion and ignore the evidence.
Because he changed his mind doesn't make the Bible true.
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 Another greater than God mentality dude here. Jesus bless us all. ✝️🙏✌💞
@@ramonfabular1022If you had grown up in India, living with Hindu parents, what would you say about Jesus? I doubt you would say much about the Christian God 😂.
@@ramonfabular1022 You're an adult, presumably, believing in a book that has a talking donkey in it. You say that out loud to yourself. You believe a donkey once talked because your religious book says it did.
They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be manifested that they all are not of us.
But the spirit of antichist is not really atheism! It's religious delusion! The demons brlieve & tremble too!!
Is that not circular reasoning, or the no true scottsman falacy?
lol, you people would make second rate parrots.
For those asking. He’s quoting
1 John 2:19-23
“They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”
1 John 2:19-23 NIV
@@glorytogod8208 any idea who wrote john cos it wasn't anyone called john. luke doesn't even have the word luke in it. paul had no idea what jesus looked like.
This "Former" pastor is deeply hurting. When he equated "goosebumps with the Holy Spirit" he completely revealed his misunderstanding on the entire subject and he followed experience and emotions. 🤦♂
Bullshit. You are a liar.
If someone who is an avid believer where to tell that they felt goosebumps in the presence of the Holy spirit, you wouldn't be telling them they misunderstand anything.
People like you disgust me a little. Willing to lie and pretend you know things you don't.
Only butt-hurt Christians are hurting as they keep on being reminded that their beliefs are nothing but fancy woo woo dreamt up by primitive man
I disagree, he's just pointing out the emotional response he thought was due to the holy spirit, but later realised he was just deluding himself.
Christians decimated his former Native American tribe. With religion everything is OK and excusable and debatable. Why not just leave people alone. Maybe that tribe did not need saving.
@@kingofalldashcams7380 Being clear and being able to articulate something doesn't mean you got the right view or understanding on something.
This guy is very confused. He never understood true biblical Christianity. He unfortunately and philosophically lived religion and acted religious which is very different and very disastrous and not Christianity at all. It clearly comes out of his pores with every example he points out, he has very little understanding of the Bible.
I personally have confronted a few untrained pastors exercising something they did not understand, hurting people and ultimately hurting themselves.
That's why he is a skeptic, the clear point of skepticism is to question everything never reaching a solid convicting position so confusion is top therefore "I don't know, I'm hurting seeking the truth"
By the way John Lennox has successfully shred this to pieces for many decades as well.
This has to be by far the worst arguments against God I’ve heard.
It might be the worst argument against god but it is better than any of the arguments for god.
@@truthgiver8286 sure buddy
So there has been in development a series of Formal Logic proofs. Would enjoy some comments and suggestions. Here are the Titles for each proof. If any of them need expanded in just ask. Also scrutinizing over the order of presentation. So if any suggestions. Any correction with verbiage. Any would be appreciated. Thanks.
Logic chain:
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"Something is not nothing."
Mathmatical Representation: 1 ≠ 0
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"there is no nothing" is false.
Mathmatical Representation: 1 + 0 ≠ 0
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*True: "There is no nothing" (from a self-referential perspective)*
Mathmatical Representation: 0x ≠ y
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"Something is not nothing".
Mathmatical Representation: 0 ≠ 1
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Anything that can occur at a specific time is something.
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Ideas are something.
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Emptiness (a type of nothing) [absence of contents]
Mathmatical Representation: 1-1=0
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The three definitions for Nothing
1. _Absolute Nothing_
2. _Referenced Nothing_
3. _Absence Nothing_
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The Idea of Reality is a something which exists.
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Something is necessarily a partition of a thing.
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Existence is a subset of something.
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Everything that exists necessarily at one point or another has had connection with the Is-Tense.
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Existence is a partition of Reality.
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A nonexistent subset necessarily has a partition of the Reality.
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Reality has an Idea of itself.
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There can only be one Reality regardless of the number of Existences.
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Since there is only one Reality, there is also only one existence.
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The nature of Reality is nessecarily eternal.
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Modification of the Is-Tense necessarily involves usage of energy.
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"All Energy" is contained by the Is-Tense.
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The Is-Tense is a partition of Time.
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The Heirarchy: Reality(Nonexistent Realm, Time(Past, Present(Existence), Future).
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Modification of the Is-Tense necessarily involves usage of energy, where Existence is a property of the Is-Tense.
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The concept of "Outside of Time" itself is a contradiction.
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If Reality has the ability to effect something Real, it means Reality has an influence on Reality.
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Any Real Cause must be a part of Reality, and therefore, must root in Reality itself.
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Since Reality is the only entity that can change itself, and this change is equivalent to existence, it follows that Reality is the cause of existence.
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Reality is God.
@@truthgiver8286😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I see you have not watched or read many arguments for GOD.
@@thanosdoomjuggernaut2846 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 I can see that you are talking out of your backside.
The former pastor proves the authenticity of the Bible, because God said that in the latter times, some would depart from the faith. We are witnessing the Word of God being fulfilled right before our eyes.
What are you talking about? The Bible is historically, archaeologically, and scientifically inaccurate.
This is so sorrowful but you are 100% correct. We are on stage as these events unfold before our eyes.
@@dannymoore1530 No, writing a BS story, knowing very well people will doubt and loose faith is not surprising.
It's expected. The authors could figure that out, not very hard 😆
As obtuse as this may sound, it's generally not a lack of belief in God's existence for why people walk away; it is their love for sin.
This is a hurt man. I hope he softens and God becomes so real.
Lennox is in the same fantasy world as all believers.
@@Steve52344
... and you are stuck in the same *mind-set* as all non-believers!
So there, as a commenter once remarked: *"Would you like a cookie?"* 🍪
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Your _lapidary statement_ of 7 days ago:
//Lennox is in the same fantasy world as all believers.//
@@therealong I care about evidence. You care about feel-good nonsense. Case closed.
@@Steve52344
Evidence, evidence... that's only what you all ask for, as a learned mantra, and then afterward keep on "beating around the bush". Evidences are overwhelming!
Case is closed for the narrow-minded only, and you are showing to be one of those!
Well, at least until your brain hasn't become more "flexible" to grasp sayings like: *_"Not being able to see the forest for the trees."_*
Have a "good" day, even before you can see the evidence! LOL!
@@therealong In other words, you still don't know that "evidence" is the MOST reliable witness...and unfortunately there's NONE for your belief and never will be. Here's your last chance to name a single piece of your "overwhelming" evidence. PS. You don't see the forest OR the trees.
This is the type of person who practiced the religion of Christianity without ever developing a relationship with God the Father. "If I do... I will be... and I won't go to... but I will go to..." These people who practice any religion are the most miserable people on Earth. He is using the current definitions of faith and hope rather than the biblical definitions. People who believe can be persuaded out of their beliefs with a preponderance of contrary evidence. I don't believe that gravity will pull me to the floor if I step off a higher place than level. I know that gravity will pull me down. I don't believe God exists, I know that God exists. I can't see the wind but I can see the material carried by the wind. I can't see the Holy Spirit but I can feel His effect and see His work in my life and in the lives of those around me. This man's arguments are flawed horribly.
Yeah he was a worship guy singing hippy-dippy songs with zero meat.
Sounds a typical theistic response he was never a true christian in the first place.
@@truthgiver8286 bro his main arguments were 'if before the big bang nothing existed then God didn't exist before the big bang'
Idiot doesn't know the argument he trying and failing to respond to
Also the problem of evil can only exist if you think evil exists, which requires objective moral values to exist, so massive fail #2
Don't expect much from hippies, logic is beyond them
@@truthgiver8286The reason why Christians make such a bold claim, "the person was never a Christian in the first place". Is because to truly be a Christian one has to not only have an intellectual assent but an assent of the heart also. Many who claim to be a Christian only do so because they intellectually agree but that agreement hasn't made it to their heart.
Mental assent looks so much like faith that many people cannot distinguish one from the other. Mental assent agrees with God but doesn't believe God. When we have mental assent, we merely accept the Word as truth but do not allow it to have an impact on us.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. Romans 10:9-11
Believing in one's heart is the key to being a Christian. The heart and the mind must be in unison. And no one will truly believe in their heart until they feel the weight\guilt of their sin. Everyone that truly comes to God repents first i.e. they acknowledge their guilt and have a desire to do things Gods way in the future.
A person who truly does this is a true Christian, and they will never turn back. This is why @nschlaak said, "Isn't it just amazing how he was a pastor for like 19 years are so and yet he still thinks prayer is a ask God get what you want scheme."
"It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they've been fooled."
"Nothing comes from nothing, therefore God does not exist". This was the most ilogical argument I have heard so far from any atheist.
The fools has said in their heart, "there is no God".
The evolution of the human species is not factual nor proven whatsoever. In fact, the more time goes by the less applicable the theory of evolution becomes.
Go watch a video on human evolution by Gutsick Gibbon.
@@keith.anthony.infinity.h still a theory tho but even then it still doesn't compete with God so it doesn't matter
@@blastphantomgames6369 Evolution is not a theory it is an observable reality.
@@keith.anthony.infinity.h
You should look it up although it is widely held to be fact it's still a theory none the less
@@blastphantomgames6369 Define the word theory?
His entire walk as a Pastor seemed to be based on feeling. Has me wondering if he ever studied the Bible during his 19years as a Pastor.
No authority outside the catholic church, there is no such thing as a protestant, mo like unbelievers just like Muslims
Not likely. Almost Noone in the church knows the bible.
@@keepthechange2811 How do you know that almost noon in church knows the bible.
@runelund5600 Because most that attend do it as their good works for the week. And it's a stop on the way to lunch. They get pretty angry when you show them the correct sabbath day. Not everyone but most church goers don't know hardly anything about the bible.
@@keepthechange2811 I will ask again, how do you know what you assume ? and by the way, if you are one of those who know the Bible, you should know there is no correct sabbath day. 🙂❤
Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
That’s right. It’s those 18 inches from the head to the heart 😢
"...if mystical faith is the basis of knowledge, logic and persuasion are irrelevant. There is only the brute assertion: “Well, that’s what I feel like believing-and I believe that you better believe it too.” There is no recourse but force."
-Peter Schwartz-
The former priest. Was tempted by the satan, and satan won. He did not love the Lord with all his heart and soul.
A creator god that can literally THINK Satan out of existence, cannot have any opposition. The Satan idea is pathetic.
Dan's reasons are very personal - which has been answered in the Bible. If he was a former pastor, why did he not read the book of Job? God does not owe us an explanation...as he once told Job.
If God is NOT love, then why bother dying in the cross for the crimes you did not commit? If Christ did not exist, why then would secular historians such as Tacitus and Josephus bother or lie about Jesus on their writings?
Since evolution cannot be proven to be conclusive (since scientists still dispute them to this day), then why believe a flawed theory? Did he not know that the Universe is still growing and expanding?
If Dan doesn't believe that God exists because the bible sows confusion, did he not read the bible through and through...That God will eventually rid the world of evil and bring in peace and reshape the world as it was in Eden?
Does Dan not believe in the depravity and evil desires of man? Does not he not acknowledge that man will use religion as means to enslave and commit evil acts? Does he not know that God hates wars, violence, murder and idolatry? Does he not understand that God desires our hearts and a relationship with us?
Does he not know that God loves us so much that he honors our wishes and choices? That he gave His own son so we don't have to pay the price of our sinfulness and depravity?
Does Dan inquire of God and ask why God chooses not to heal children despite of prayers? That God knows that people who die may die for a reason because God has predestined them to a particular time?
Does Dan understand that the eternal is unseen and eternal is physically seen? Does he not consider evil and the natural laws that humanity follows? Do not commit murder, adultery, steal, lie, cheat, etc - are these man made? If so, who has the final authority to say so?
Does Dan understand that there are different types of truth that he confuses and dilutes?
God intervenes - just as he did for Israel when they crossed the Red sea, just has He did for Samson and gave him his strength back, just as he did for Moses, not to annihilate the Jews in the desert, just as he did for Abraham - to not kill Isaac. God INTERVENES in our lives - we just refuse to recognize it.
Does Dan not recognize those who were supernaturally healed from sickness? Or from death...or from dying? Many innocent people die because God wants to give them a new body and keep them away from more pain and heartache.
Dan does not believe because his heart is hardened. He refused to believe and have faith that God is sovereign and in control. That God, in his mercy and grace will create a new world that is rid of sin, disease and separation from Him.
God's omnipotence is evidence of His love...knowing that Lucifer would fall, that Adam would fall, that many will reject him - because He loves us and sees Himself in us (we can create, bring beauty into this world, love, choose, and live). His love brings justice and righteousness. He is above all His creation - that is why He is Holy. God's sacrifice to redeem humanity through Christ is the essence of his love and mercy - that despite of us, He pursues us.
God is just by putting an end to Satan and evil - which will be separated from Him and cast into the lake of fire. But He will not force us, He honors the choice we make.
We, who are saved chose Christ...why? Because while we were still sinners and lost, He first loved us and gave Himself for us. Christ chose us and offered Himself as the sacrifice to be restored with God - because God is a family man.
Josephus and Tacitus were only reporting what other people believed and are not accounts supporting that those events actually happened. Some Josephus text about Jesus is considered forgery by majority of historians as well.
Evolution is not only conclusive, it is foundational to doing any modern biology at all.
And on and on.
God hates war? Then why is the Bible full of it at "God's" behest? Why does "God" say, "Happy are those who bash babies heads against the rocks."? Do you have any evidence for all of that word salad you spewed out?
The bible answers nothing. Its a collection of fantasy stories designed to fool the extremely gullible and the low-in-IQ
Seems like Dan hit a nerve.
Feeling sorry for a backslider does hit a nerve! Its because it makes a believer feel that he/she has lost a friend and a brother/sister. So, if it hurts, it means you care.
So if that ex-pastor believes there is no God because of sick dying children what does he say about all the children who have lived to become flourishing adults and have lived to Old ages?
that didnt make any sense...
Thats called living.
Just goes to show the atheists are usually the ones for the under-dog, the downtrodden, the suffering.
Yeah, he'd probably talk about modern medicine and good living standards brought on by science.
Meaning that your god discriminates.
If you were an ordained minister for 19 years and then abandoned the faith; the Scripture calls that Apostasy. The word "apostasy" comes from the Greek word (apostasia), which means "departure," "revolt," or "rebellion." From a biblical perspective, apostasy refers to the abandonment or renunciation of faith in God and the teachings of Christianity. The Apostle Paul also writes about a "falling away" (Greek: "apostasia") that will precede the end times.
Like a lot of atheist it doesn't sound like he drifted into scientific studies & began to realize that God is illogical; it sounds personal, like he experienced loss or something that he blames God for.
--The way he's asserted some scientific THEORIES as proven factual for being widely accepted, while making jokes about Creation(not providing evidence against it, just mocking the idea). Doesn't sound as well thought out as he must think it does.
@@ericshaffer5965 What a painfully childish and pathetic assumption.
Creation is a joke which has no evidence behind it and doesn't need to be disproven that's not how it works, and you as a creationist obviously can't learn the meaning of a scientific theory.
@@ericshaffer5965 There are thousands of gods. Religious people dismiss all of those gods except the one that is most-popular in their country.
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 How can it be, that pdf file atheists believe the claim of atheist religion that men can give birth, but then at the same time, they reject what islame says that women can be pregnant for ten years?
Both claims are blatant lies. So why choose one huge lie over another equally huge lie?
Is it because of hypocrasy? dishonesty? _taqqyya_ ?
@@upturnedblousecollar5811 I wouldn't say that, don't you think there could be only one truth to this reality that we exist in?
This pastor was only trained as a Pastor but has never experienced God the same way Roman soldier Paul of Silas turned apostle because he met God spiritually.
Former believers in God like Dan Baker try passionately to convince themselves there must be no God. I have been a christian minister for over 40 years and am more convinced than ever God exists. I have read and listen to thousands of discussions and debates. The arguments for God are so powerful. I have seen God answer prayer in amazing way's. I have seen amazing miracles. I have encountered evil and demons in undeniable encounters and seen Jesus transform multitudes of lives.
Please give an example of prayers been answered.
@@utube1818 I have an experience to share. It isn't an answer to a specific prayer I prayed, but it is a fulfilling of a need that I had not asked for yet. I needed to buy a car, but had not prayed for one yet. Then, I had a dream. In it a Presence was beside me, but I couldn't turn my head to see who it was. The Presence was showing me a brown car that did not impress me at all. In fact I woke myself up saying to the Presence, "I ain't buying no brown car!" The response of the Presence to that statement was laughter; lots of it too, a deep full belly laugh. A few days later my mother excitedly told me about a used car lot she had found and how impressed she was with the owner of it. She said the owner was the first used car salesman she trusted. She pestered me until I agreed to go look at the car lot. When we got to the lot, and she introduced me to the salesman, the first thing I said to him was, "I'm not paying more than $5000.00 for a car." He turned me around and walked me to that very brown car from my dream! Now, I was still determined not to buy that car. So, I asked if I could drive the car to my husband's work place for him to look at it. The owner even let me keep the car overnight because it was late afternoon when we were there. I was certain that my husband and the mechanic that worked there would find something wrong with the car. Nope, the mechanic said if I could get that car for that price I was getting a great deal. So, in a final bid not to buy the car, I said I wouldn't buy it if I had to put even one penny down on it. The owner got financing with no down payment required. I bought the brown car. It lasted over 10 years and only broke down one time in all those years. We were going on vacation in a nearby city, but the car broke down and took all of our vacation money to repair it. Interestingly, there was social unrest that very weekend we had planned to go and the social unrest was in the very area we had planned to stay and people were hurt. The Presence also picked out one more vehicle for me, but not in such a specific way the second time. The second time He only gave me a glimpse of a blue-green streak of color as I was driving again in a dream. Weeks later, I was driving and saw that same streak of blue-green as I was driving in a local town. When I turned around and looked back in the direction I saw the streak of color, I saw a Ford Ranger truck. I knew that was what I had seen in my dream. I bought the truck and it lasted for almost 10 years. When it finally broke down, the mechanic I took it to repair it called my husband and told him it was unfixable and that he didn't know what was keeping it together. I do though. In my opinion, Jesus (the Presence in my dreams) had His hand on it and was holding it together for me. In my opinion, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are AWESOME! One final thought of mine about this argument about whether God exists or not, is this: If believers are wrong and HE isn't real, then we will never even know, but we will have lived a pleasant, happy, loving, and serene life by following HIS instructions, but if we are right and HE is real, then nonbelievers are going to have some serious problems and explaining to do. Good luck and May God Bless you and yours always. :)
It is embarrassing to hear a president of the United States endorse the plain, crude, illiterate superstitions of the populace of the Middle Ages."
-Ayn Rand-1981.
This man Dan baker is a great example of someone who comes to Christianity for the buzz and the social life, looking for his fill with the things of this world, praying for health and wealth and a new car and cures to diseases instead of praying for wisdom and understanding. He knows the Bible, but has not a drop of understanding of Gods side of the story. Once his buzz wore off he looked elsewhere, as so many do, unfortunately lead by pride and deceived by the enemy. I pray he’ll find his way back and truly give himself over to the lord, not for his own buzz but to glorify our Heavenly Father. I encourage anyone watching to learn from his mistakes and to ensure you pray continuously for Gods eternal truth to fill you - John 15 , remain in the vine! God bless 🙏
Jeesus is a Roman invention
my dude i think you hit it on the nail. i think he did have the Holy Spirit. however like you said. i have veered off myself at times and it always starts the SAME way. i decide i should be at the steering wheel. then i start filling myself with everything but the Lord then i essentially weaken my connection with God. not saying God is further from me i separate myself from God. whether it be x y z. i do think we all veer off at times and its important to remember and understand this. this poor man he relies on nothing but his own understanding and those around him. as said above his arguments are honestly pretty weak from what i understand scientifically speaking but i am no scientific mind. however that being said i think its fair to say i am not stupid. but yea dude i think you hit it on the head. his progression away from the truth as you can see its like boiling a frog he progressively moved away from the teachings of the gospel as one can argue progressive Christianity is simply not in any way of Christ. its simply people make their own Christ they want to follow.
25 years ago i don't know how to pray i call on jesus to save my soul and i know he come in me i know im going to haven.
AMEN
Au contraire. The nineteen-year-erstwhile-pastor-turned-atheist (cough) was never a true believer, though he hid himself under the banner of Christianity. "They went out from us [seeming at first to be Christians], but they were not really of us [because they were not truly born again and spiritually transformed]; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out [teaching false doctrine], so that it would be clearly shown that none of them are of us." -1 John 2:19 (AMP) He was simply a wolf🐺in sheep🐑clothing. I pray that he may truly repent of his delusion and wholeheartedly turn to Jesus Christ, while he still can. Salvation is free .. but it is not diluted.✝️🛐
Aww how cute. "He was never a true believer", followed by some random bible texts. The first is arbitrary but unsupported, the latter preaching instead of arguing. You seem to be unaware that these are the most unambitious run-of-the-mill answers from the textbook of the faithful. Try harder.
This poor man. Determined to lean on his own understanding 😔
As opposed to the understanding of other men and the bullshit they wrote down for the gullibles.
@@hooligan9794 oh look another atheist! Tell me about the “big bang theory” again 😂 😂 😂
@rogercaldwell2440 You're right. The big bang theory is silly. Obviously, a magic sky man cast a spell to create the universe!
@@rogercaldwell2440Oh look another theist! Tell me about Genesis again😂
@@hooligan9794The one thing I’ve never understood is how are theists so hateful.
If 4 people were to watch a crime being committed, and they sat down to write about what happened all four accounts would be different. If they are exactly the same you would say they got together to make their story the same. Praise God that the 4 Gospels are different from 4 different perspectives.
For the bible tells me so. How about some credible evidence?
We don't even know the true authors of those gospels.
For this former pastor one of the best evidence of God existence are real physical miracles. Well since 37:28 two years till now I became a witness after intense publican private prayer of hundreds even thousands real physical miracles. Cancer, diabetes type I and II Hearth failure, and more, you can name it. GOD Is doing all of it. I 'm not lying around all. God is real!!! Trust in him.
Citation need please
So if nothing comes from nothing, the universe doesn’t exist. The problem is that he is assigning to God the same puny brain that we have.
This guy is clueless!!! OMG, he used the Thursday argument against Christianity when Infact English didn't exist back then. In Greek, THORSday is simply Pempti ( fifth day). If you are going to criticize the bible do it in its original language!! Also he said that Jesus doesn't have his own day! Is he mentally challenged? Every time we write the date we testify to Jesus's birth! Also the question of suffering was answered by Jesus himself. He is the creator who was pure and innocent and his human life was filled with sorrows and suffering. He told us to carry our own cross and follow him. Which means you will have to suffer too.
"Faith is a malignancy that no system can tolerate with impunity ; and the man who succumbs to it , will call on it in precisely those issues where he needs his reason the most."
-Nathaniel Branden-
It's one thing to be ignorant but quite another to demonstrate it and think that is brilliance.
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.”
1 John 2:19 ESV
You are right Lennox is a tool
Thank you Professor Lennox for professing the truth of the Gospel.
"There is only one reality---the reality knowable to reason."
-Nathaniel Branden-
This is how merciful our God is, and we should learn from this. God has not struck this guy down and be eaten by worms in front of everyone.
Yes you never know whether this wilderness period for him will end and whether he will come back to God..just like the prodigal.
Something happens in the real world. God does literally nothing.
Believers: "Look how merciful our god is".
You guys crack me up, lol 😂
@@grayhalf1854 Crack up all you want but you will still have to face God one day...then you will crack the other way.
@@mytwopennorth7216 mate that's your belief, not mine
@@grayhalf1854 You are a sad case.
Reminds me of the story of Charles Templeman, a well known evangelist and friend of Billy Graham, who turned from God...only Templeman wasn't a bitter anti- Christian. If I remember correctly, towards the end of his life, he lamented that he missed Jesus, even though he had turned from faith.
It breaks my heart when someone can’t make the connection from their mind to their heart.
Well, if it breaks your heart, then you are also unable to make a connection from your brain to your heart.
.How about speaking in plain English where your ridiculous and baseless assertions can be exposed instead of obscuring your ignorance behind metaphors and Christianese?
@@Theo_Skeptomai why are you so angry
"A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition."
-Nathaniel Branden-
Did he call the theory of evolution a solid fact? I suppose he was willing to say that the Bible was fiction but “oooh not evolution “ that is absurd.
Darwin wrote his book 150 years ago and since then scientific discoveries across all disciplines have piled up enormous amounts of evidence supporting the theory of evolution. It is in fact one of the most strongly evidenced scientific theories there is. And in science the word "theory" has a different definition than in every day language.
"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that can be (or a fortiori, that has been) repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, some theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment. In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge. "
@@riverbank2193enormous amounts of evidence? Where? Where? I recently asked chat gpt what the evidence for evolution and it said the fossil record. I asked for more details. It just said fossil record.
For all I know, the fossil record only proves that there were once species that are now extinct.
I then asked it about complete skeletons of dinosaurs. It says there were none. So I asked about nearly complete skeletons found. It said t-Rex, stegosaurus, brontosaurus, triceratops…interesting, because I was taught the exact same thing 40 years ago…so in half a decade they found nothing new to prove evolution? Sounds fishy to me. And proves there is no enormous amount of evidence.
@@riverbank2193your delusional good luck with the justice thing
@@riverbank2193frank turek. Has a great book. I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist. May open your eyes.
@@bryanbouzigard7019 I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "the justice thing". I can look up Frank Turek but I won't buy a book. I doubt he has anything new to say. I don't consider myself an atheist. I'm in agnostic or non-theist. I'm perfectly willing to believe in a higher power but I need to have a little evidence before having faith. It doesn't take faith to be an agnostic or atheist. Christians like to turn things around that way. It's a cute device but it's meaningless. It's a lack of faith that defines an agnostic or an atheist. I grew up in a very Christian Evangelist fundamentalist home. I always asked too many questions. Questions that are never answered. The answer is always "you just need to have faith". You have to have a reason to have that faith. Christians believe that they pray to God for answers and God answers their prayers. Right now millions of Christians believe in a presidential candidate that personifies the opposite of Christian teaching. I know a lot about the Bible. I know this candidate is a good example of the opposite of Christ's teaching. Yet so many Christians believe that God is telling them to vote for this person. That in itself is evidence pointing toward religion being in people's minds. Wanting to believe in something bigger and supernatural. It makes them feel better but in reality they are all getting different answers while praying to the same God. It's easy to have faith. It's hard to face reality.
You can preach as you have understood, but the one who walks With God gets revelation... for hope which you were called.
The very first argument is a strawman. Christians do not contend that the universe came from nothing; cosmology does.
He seems to be in a great deal of pain and in need of heartfelt prayer.
He said evolution was an established fact. Something that has never been observed , can't be repeated , and there is no evidence in the historical fossil record.
_" Something that has never been observed , can't be repeated , and there is no evidence in the historical fossil record."_
🤦♂
Evolution has been observed ...and is supported by the fossil record. The same fossil record that shows the story of genesis to be wrong.
The fossil record proves the flood in the days of Noah. It completely destroys the fairy tale of evolutionism.
@@N0nPluzUltra You have no understanding of what you're talking about.
@MarkH-cu9zi why are there still apes if we supposedly came from them? Some of us chose to evolve while others didn't?🤔
@@MarkH-cu9zi That is just evolutionist propagands that you have absorbed.
I really do hate it when people always bring up the children argument: How can God be good when all these children suffer? How can God allow these kids to be born into this evil world?
These are what these so called morallly righteous men ask, accusing God of this evil, yet... if these men are so good and moral and righteous, why do they bring children into this world?
You know about murder, rape, slavery, human trafficking, sufferong; You know of all these things and the abominations happening to kids, and then you say: "mm, i think it would be good to bring a child into this cruel world, not having any idea of what will happen to him or her, and to cover my arse, I will blame God when evil happens to them - oh what a cruel cruel monster you are God!"
The bluddy hypocrisy of the morally self righteous. You ask God how He can allow all this evil, while rebelliously pointing the gun at the victims - YOU are the evil one, not God
Amen to that!
"What is the criterion of judgment ? Reason."
-Ayn Rand-
Dr. John Lennox continues to impress!! One of the best arguments for Design was someone who said "If you see a tire on the moon, stamped Firestone, you think Intelligent Design ... yet we see the human brain, and we call it "chance"" (paraphrased).
There’s no brand on the brain.
Not that we know of
@@arthursworld7302 A person of sufficient knowledge and discernment does not need the price tag and label of manufacturer to understand the complexity requiring a designer and manufacturer. When you seriously examine, study nature with the detailed documentation, repeated observations, repeated challenges of study by study with ever more precise criteria for study, even dull students recognize the signs of superior, transcendant design and creation by God.
The brightest Nobel Laureates have not defined a recognized, testable model for the latest commercially hyped stock market bubble/fad - Artifical Intelligence and "consciousness". Yet plenty of atheists jumping on this commercial bandwagon with the "label" of claimed repute.
@@gregrice1354 that works because we can contrast designed vs non designed on our local level.
We can’t do that on the universal level because there is nothing to compare it too.
“Man dont you think it’s crazy that lots of rivers map onto town/state borders? How did the rivers do that? Someone must have designed the rivers to do that”
Complexity doesn’t equal design. In fact simplicity is a better hallmark of design. That’s why we feel that a poker hand of straight aces is less likely and more
Intentional than a poker hand of an ace, a 5, a 6 of clubs, a queen of hearts, and a 2 of spades.
But they are both just as likely to occur naturally.
Also, please quit with the condescension. It doesn’t help anything.
Even if there is a creator, it ain't Jeesus.
We can easily see the bible is total dung
As a Christian I can agree with this ex-pastor on one thing. He made a point that God can't have free choice and be omnibenevolent and omniscient too. On this point I would agree with him. God is limited in the choices that he can chose. God is limited by his nature i.e. his essence, which is pure and good. God can only choose the good and not just any form of good but the best possible good that could be created.
When God created this universe, he created this particular universe out of the infinite possible universes he could have created. He created this universe because only in this universe the best possible good will result.
The error this ex-pastor makes is he fails to realize that good is superior to evil in every fashion. Many think that good and evil are on an equal footing. That evil is the inverse of good. Evil isn't equal with good; evil is dependent upon good for its very existence. For good can and does exist on its own but evil is by definition a corruption of good i.e. evil can't exist on its own. There's no such thing as pure evil, but God is pure good.
Everything that we see as evil has some goodness in it, for good is, has to be the foundation of all of reality.
God created the word and said, "it is good." Goodness is the foundation of reality. Then evil crept in, for evil is and always will be a corruption of that which is good.
Exactly right. He says that prayer has a failure of outcome, but God will not grant anything that thwarts eventual good. I believe all prayers are answered, but sometimes the answer is no for that very reason.
@@emmap1159How convenient that 'sometimes the answer is no' means that praying to a god you believe is there is literally indistinguishable from praying to a god who just isn't there.
@@grayhalf1854 The "yes" answers are evident though, sometimes instantaneously and others over time. My life wasn't always easy but the blessings have been abundant.
Watch Dan Barkers other debates. He said religious people "reify" words, like good and evil and truth and justice. Those are not "things" they are descriptions. God is good, what does that even mean? Good compared to what? And is that what God "is" or does?
After a while this seems like word salad. Can you explain exactly what God is coherently? What does good mean the way you use it?
@@joecheffo5942 Truth is objective despite the word salad the phrase "my truth" suggests. Ultimate Good is total union with God so that the phrase, " He only wills good" implies that He only will answer prayers that lead to our salvation. If you doubt that evil exists when it is evident all around you than you are spiritually blind because you have chosen to be so.
This man's arguments are breathtaking in there shallowness. If his concept of the cosmos and his understanding of Christianity were this two-dimensional during his ministry it is not suprising that he would be embarrassed to defend his faith.
He was never truly a Christian or a minister if he was he would still be in his faith
It's interesting how Christians often become emotionally triggered when former pastors share their reasons for leaving the faith, expose inaccuracies in the Bible, and challenge the rationality behind the concept of God. It seems psychologically and emotionally challenging for many Christians to reconcile the idea that a sincere, committed believer could abandon their faith. By suggesting that the person was never truly a Christian, they may be attempting to maintain the coherence and stability of their own belief system. Additionally, a lack of exposure to diverse perspectives may play a significant role in this reaction.
That first dude has extreme trust issues. I’ll pass! Second guy for the win 🏆
The former pastor knows exactly what he is talking about. Why are Christians always so butthurt when this happens? Because the lies you swollowed, without being critical or rational are exposed in a different light. From a pastor. Religions, inclusive Christianity is based on mythology and folklore but your faith blinds you for seeing it. It's more cousy staying in the delusion and ignore the evidence.
Thanks for your intellectual input.
Current cosmological theory does not assert that 'nothing created nothing.' Quantum Physics still offers possible alternative explanations/theories for the origin of the universe. When the physical evidence is not forthcoming, these theories will be rejected and the scientific quest continues.
There is no such thing as an ex Christian
Amen
I respectfully disagree. The Bible teaches that an authentic Christian can indeed become apostate. The book of Hebrews is crystal clear on that point.
@@duanehensley8835 it does not clearly teach that false doctrine. Under your belief how can one know and be secure in their salvation? Justification is the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit and cannot ever be undone. The overwhelming message in the New Testament is one of security, with all due respect you are misreading Hebrews 6.
There it is again! A differently worded version of The No True Scotsman fallacy.
@@robertdagit4315 I and all non-Calvinists believe in the security of their salavation but there's a condition to it and that condition is to be "in Christ" and to remain "in Him". The book of Hebrews clearly teaches a true Christian can become apostate. To interpret it any other way is to complelety disregard proper exegesis and hermeneutics. If I ask you to exegete Hebrews chapter 6 I'll inevitibly get an answer that defies the clear context of those verses. I also find it very intertesting that once-saved-always-saved belief never existed in the first three centuries of the church.
The problem is he’s limiting God to human and looking at him from our perspective
Just because he is good with words does not mean he understands the data that humans have discovered about the universe. He refuses to accept the data because he doesn't want to die
Data like it having a begining?
The data doesn't support the absence of a creator. Not surprising. It's hard to find observational evidence of the absence of something. This is a well understood concept in law. The more data the more it looks too complex to have come from nothing.
Harry Truman had a sign on his desk: "The buck stops here. " The God of the Bible is willing to take ultimate responsibility for creating or allowing anything and everything that exists or happens in the universe. No one else accepts that responsibility and gives adequate meaning to those phenomena, and no one else deserves the praise for the good things. I've lived with partial paralysis of both legs due to polio for 71 years, since I was ten months old. I don't blame God, but I'm thankful for what I've been able to accomplish in spite of that disability.
"Even a hypothesis has to have some factual basis , some factual evidence indicating that it might be true. "
-Nathaniel Branden-
@8:00 This is a very important distinction. The physical reality that we inhabit, governed by the Laws of nature, is a projection _into_ the infinite void (space) .. our creator does not reside here, and so we cannot point to him and say "Look, _here_ is God". The nature of the projection itself is light imprisoned in physical form (lucifer) .. so the worship of anything that is a part of the physical creation is the worship of _Lucifer,_ and not God. We do not create the Laws of physics, we merely discover what is already there, then attempt to understand it .. but being within this creation as we are, we are like a man who has lived his entire life within one house, wondering what the world beyond might look like.
You mentioned a 'creator'. What _exactly_ did this 'creator' create?
@@Theo_Skeptomai of all the questions you could possibly ask you chose this one?
@@Theo_Skeptomai 🤣
As an agnostic, I don’t identify with either side here. I have lived in severe pain for 16 years. I used to pray and ask for help. Not any more. I gave up. I’m 77, probably won’t live all that long….i have no clue what happens at death. We get no information. We have to face death blind. The whole thing, life/death etc, is cruel. If there is a God, he/she is NOT compassionate. Just look at all the suffering on this planet. No, god is not kind and loving.
I am sorry Cynthiao you have been in chronic pain.
I have seen people healed from pain, blindness, hearing loss, etc.
God has allowed evil to rule this world, not because he is cruel, but because we turned away from him.
He has however, sent Jesus to rescue us and to restore us to him. God showed his love by doing this for us. Would you give up your son for someone else, especially if the other person didn't deserve it.
Death, for Christians, is not defeat or something to think is bad. In death, we believe we will be with God, we will be restored and there will be no tears in heaven.
So it is the end point of the this life as we know it and a start of a new life with God.
If you can , would you ask Jesus to take away your pain. I will pray tonight for you too. Call on the name of Jesus.
In Isaiah 53 we are told by Jesus' wounds we are healed.
God bless you Cynthiao
Hold onto your faith, for as long as you can. It makes life easier. It is a gift.
“Solid fact of evolution” ??
Really??? 😝
“Nothing comes from nothing”
Obviously, this ex-pastor has forgotten that in the very beginning there was something… “the Word”.
Yeah, when the poor man mentioned evolution I cringed on his behalf. He really should get out more. As an explanatory hypothesis, evolution is devolving toward extinction before eyes.
Evolution is a Fact! In a Hollywood movie perhaps?
@@MatthewBurchett-df3oe It's not outside of creationist dreams
@@tomasrocha6139 yea your mind is forever scarred by this b.s. theory.
@@sigururolafsson2257 No
Hebrews 6: 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
"So long as men are free to speak, a small rational minority will always prevail over an irrational majority."
-Ayn Rand-1964
"It is the foolishness of man that distorts his (life), but his heart becomes enraged against God Himself".
From that book Dan dismisses....
"We cannot fight against anything unless we fight for something ---and what we must fight for is the supremacy of reason, and a view of man as a rational being."
-Ayn Rand-
Nothing can separate us from the saving grace of Jesus Christ our LORD!
If you had grown up in India, living with Hindu parents, what would you say about Jesus? I doubt you would say much about the Christian God. Does my assertion make sense? If not, why?
@@tobias4411 No, your assertion presupposes that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus means nothing - along with tons of other things. There are things that are objectively true, and if you’re asserting that because someone was born into a certain culture that makes them unable to discern what is true or false, that is just ignorant.
@@Dylan-kz1ps Yes, there is no evidence of the resurrection of Jesus (Bible is no evidence, circle reasoning).
Ever heard of the geographic predictability of religious beliefs problem? There are only 4% Christians in China, 2% in India, 1% in Saudi Arabia, and 1% in Thailand. This shows very clearly that your place of birth is linked to your belief, which means how likely you are to be 'saved.' Religious variations like this are exactly what we would expect if God is a man-made concept (imaginary) and nothing we would expect if there is one true God who loves us equally. It's obvious that childhood indoctrination, social circumstances, and traditions play a significant role.
Your argument of objective truth in religions is flawed. Next problem is there are approx 45,000 denominations of Christianity. I find it highly problematic and this should be a red flag for everyone with a common sense. As you probably know, the Bible states: "Brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, I beg all of you to agree with each other. You should not be divided into different groups. Be completely joined together again with the same kind of thinking and the same purpose." (1 Corinthians 1:10).
It also says: "God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace. This is the rule for all the meetings of God's people." (1 Corinthians 14: 33).
I can't think of a single book that has caused more confusion than the Bible.
"There are no defenders of reason ---in the country that was created not by historical accident but by philosophical design."
-Ayn Rand-
The FOOL says in his heart-
"There is no God".
Lmao, the same old bullshit. Heard it a hundred times. Yawn.
This man based his (former) faith on listening to (other) pastors which is a sure remedy to loose faith, just like I lost mine.
The reason I lost my faith was bcse my pastor wasn't able to answer my question about how come that at the CREATION there were the 1st day, 2nd day & 3rd day WHILE THE SUN WAS CREATED ON THE 4th day? How can you have a day (and a night) without The Sun ?
So I became an unbeliever in Biblical truths and dipped in the Occult untill the LORD.PROVED HIMSELF to me when I attended a Charismatic Worship Service which showed me how much greater HIS POWER IS than my stupid occultic powers.
This caused me to return to THE LORD and read THE BIBLE from cover to cover some 130 times taking time to memorise Bible verses (very important to fight evil) and pray for the healing of people with Cancer, HIV, Diabetes & other ailment (ALL were healed thru fasting and prayer in accordance to Matthew 17:21 which is why "the-church" wants to get rid of this verse)
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745 Absolute rubbish lol.
Faith is indistinguishable from stupidity and a licence for liars and charlatans to exploit the fearful, desperate and gullible..
Ask yourself this question.
How many of these gods do you think don't exist?
Baiame.
Aphrodite.
Zeus.
Odin.
If your answer is all of them. You are an atheist.
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745
I suggest you read the bible properly. It disproves ITSELF!
Deuteronomy 18. 21. 22
And if thou say in thine heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
A prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jesus Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.
This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to spreading the obvious and demonstrable truth of Christian claims.
If I’m not converted it would only be fair for believers to apologise and devote their lives to promoting the light of reason, based on sound reasoning, facts and evidence.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that the biblical character lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
I actually had to fast forward on the first guy after a couple minutes listening to him, i just couldnt listen to that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, like my soul was seruosoly troubled 😮, I genuinely felt sad for him and of the Judgement he will face if he doesn't repent and actually be born again, I don't believe he was ever saved in the first place, but God knows the beginning and the end all we can so is pray for him and John Lennox was tremendous as usual, and the voice over inclusions sound reflection. Great content.👏🏾
lennox makes me want to puke cos he uses his lovely old man image to fool his own people. it works both ways mate, only you can never demonstrate god and i say god is imaginary.
Me too fast forwaded😅😅
well god is an immoral dictator who kills people just for disagreeing with him, a guy who not only condones slavery and genocide but instructs people to carry these acts out, so i guess you can't stand to hear the facts bout your crummy blood sacrifice cult.
If one does not believe that the supernatural exists, then the supernatural can never affect you.
That is not true in life, nor in the afterlife.
@@bobwaters8414 I would love to hear you support that with some verifiable facts!
What would you call a verifiable fact? Have you looked into the evidence supported by the millions of people who have had near death experiences? Or does eyewitness testimony not count? Have you read Dr. Keener’s book on the millions of miracles experienced by people every year? The evidence for Christ is like a forest, and while you may be able to cut down a tree, the forest is still there. But seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing.
@@bobwaters8414 "But seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing." And there it is - what I call Disneyland religion. About Keener: the "millions of miracles" are a publishing gimmick involving unverified medical events. Keener has not personally investigated any of his stories and fails to ask the most basic questions. About Jesus: I will believe when I see a headline that reads "Jesus sends his angel to stop a child rapist."
@@bobwaters8414 what evidence do you have for the "afterlife"?
I pray that Mr. Dan Baker will find his way back to Jesus before he dies.
Ordination of a man does not guarantee that he is or was in the state of salvation. Paul tells us in Philippians 2:12 to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. But a man is like the kind of earth that receives the Seed, the Word of God, what was the state of his heart, soft and yielding, hard, rocky or choked with thorns of life? This is why we must pray for our pastors, humbly and contrite before our Father in Heaven. This man that preached the Word for 19 years and over time becomes an atheist was grounded in lies of Satan rather than the Rock, Jesus Christ. Tragedy has struck this man, his family, his loved ones and now he blames God. His Christianity is not helping to understand. The church is not the foundation of man, but Jesus Christ. Tragedy will always happen to men of God and if he fails to understand then it leads to theodicy as the end point of his life. Such was this man. I pray that he will come back to God. Remember Job and the tragedy that followed, and Job's discourse of wailing in dust and ashes did not fail his faith in God.
He's had his road to Damascus experience .....now he's on his road to Dawkins experience !
If you mean the athiest pastor then no he didn’t have a road to Damascus experience. He wouldn’t be an athiest if he had.
What about Balaam and the talking donkey?
In regard to free will and omniscience, I think about my dog. After I finish my supper every night I give my dog a biscuit. Sammy knows she will get a biscuit and excitedly hops around when she sees me begin to clear the table. The dog is free to do whatever she wants, but I know she will hop around when I clear the table. If a puny mind like mine can know what a lower intelligence will do, couldn't an unfathomably greater intelligence know what I'm going to do? God knows my mind better than I know Sammy's, heck God knows my mind better than I even know my mind.
Does he know my mind?
So many accounts of people who died , went to hell or heaven and then returned, committed to share their experiences and fully converted. What about people who can speak in tongues, prophesy, etc.
I believe science and mathematics in all its fields support the existence of a creator God. By discovering all the laws, complexities , intricacies inherent in their discoveries point to design and not randomness.
@@sharonmarshall3671 No they don't. That's just an assertion, it has no epistemic grounding.
@@grayhalf1854"Ultimate reality is both personal and intelligent". Both humans and the universe are products of an intelligent mind.
I feel bad for this man.... to fall so far away. Please return to him Lord.
He went from a fundamentalist to a free thinker. I wouldn't call that a bad thing. Has also written several books about his journey from faith to atheism, including "Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist" and "Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists."
He seems like a very reasonable and intelligent man.
Believing isn’t convenient when your life style denies God. Truth has nothing to do with this ex-Pastor’s choices. Everyone seeks to justify their wrongdoing.
You accuse him of wrongdoing? He is a married man, has an homest income as a musician, speaker and writer.
How do you judge him wrong?
Why do you people parrot this braindead garbage again and again? what is wrong with you?
@@joecheffo5942 Not believing horseshit that has no evidence to back it seems to be all that´s needed to be "doing wrong" according to the badly brainwashed and indoctrinated into the garbage that is religion.
I pity this ex pastor, it appears he was hurt and feels despair. Better to live in a world we pretend to Understand then have comfort of existing in a marvelous creation
Comfort in belief? That's a fool's paradise. I would rather live in truth, no matter how uncomfortable, than be soothed by the blue pill soma of religion.
I am no one, I have maybe a 1% knowledge and mental capacity compared to John Lennox and let me tell you, it really hurts to know how little Dan Baker knows the Bible.
What happened to Jordan Peterson's wife when she had cancer? What she did? What has helped her? Rosary? I had SM 13 yrs ago and God cleared my brain and make me believe in Him and in His commandments. It has changed my life to fulfilling and calm and peaceful even something wrong comes from nowhere. God bless you all people of a good will. Let us meet, at the latest, in Heaven.
When I hear old men say, I used to be a devout believer, but then claim to lose their faith through basic, elementary, philosophy 101 issues, like why do bad things happen to good people, then I reckon they were never devout. These are “hard” questions, oft asked, and answered definitively centuries ago.
The no true Scotsman fallacy, sigh...
In all his years of being a pastor, did he ever read the book of Job, and is it not relevant today? I never been around a dumb pastor before. Every pastor I knew could answer any single question posed to them.This guy wasted 19 years of his life and is now arguing from an emotional standpoint. He is a true loser because he's crying like a little baby
That's a no true scotsman fallacy.
A personal relation with Jesus is the only way from beginning to eternity.
How do you know?
with just ~2.4 billion Christians in the world, the rest of us are doomed, clearly your god didn't do a good job at spreading the "word"
"Personally, I think the biggest damage religion inflicts is on how a person thinks. The notion that someone is watching over you at all times has vast implications on inner thought -- problem solving, value choices, assigned importance on different life events, perceived self-efficacy, etc. etc. etc."
-Anonymous-from an Objectivist forum
When they go apostate they go into complete foolishness
Monstrous nonsense.
"This country, with its magnificent scientific and technological power, is left in the vacuum of a pre-intellectual era, like the wandering hordes of the Dark Ages --- or in the position of an adolescent before he has learned to conceptualize."
-Ayn Rand-
Look at how The Christian Professor looks more livelier and more moral than the first one
So we are judging people by their look now?
@@tobias4411 Yes that's right! Is he more alive than the atheist professor that makes it more complicated?
@@jinestonegano3811 We are all individuals, each unique in our appearance, behavior, speech, and expressions. However, it is disheartening when people judge others based on stereotypes associated with certain looks.Have you ever heard the proverb, 'Don't judge a book by its cover'? This saying reminds us that outward appearances can be misleading, and it encourages us to look beyond the surface to understand the true essence of a person.
@@tobias4411 YOU SEE, you said it urself that's why Evolution has a lot of loopholes, you can't understand. You fight for evolution that has nothing to do with us. As the speaker said even high powered science cannot explain our true essence it is what is within us. And that's what matter the most because God really exist.
@@jinestonegano3811 I said we are all unique, and that in our characteristics. It doesn't contradict evolution.