Deepest Zelda Theory? The Cult of Masks | Gnoggin
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2017
- Is this one of The Legend of Zelda's darkest secrets? Combining several popular theories into one, lets explore this supposed cult, and find out how Lorule and Termina truly connect to the Hyrule we know and love...
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Multiple comments about "the Twili don't have masks in their true form!"
We know, its almost like they are cursed and that's the whole point. I suppose we should have clarified it a bit more. . .
Another inaccuracy, is that in The Minish Cap the purple element is earth, not wind as we said in this video. Though, Earth is often associated with death both in Zelda and Japanese mythology, keeping the connection to Ikana Valley, which is also very earthen and dry. So that point is weakened but still there.
Nice
Lockstin & Gnoggin Sorry to say this, but Vati is a minish.
Lockstin & Gnoggin Connecting this theory to BotW, what would the symbology mean? There are masks with upside down Sheikah symbols, Agahnim wears an eye symbol with no tear but instead two pairs of triangles, and Yuga appears to have 3 triangles tattooed or painted right under each of his own eyes. What does this all mean?
Not to mention the true meaning of the word "Yuga" is Hindu representing an ancient period of 4 eras
If your theory is true, then that mean Breath of the Wild could be set in what eventually becomes Lorule, since the backstory as depicted on the collectors' edition map mentions banishment...
Still, Vaati is a Minish. A Minish corrupted by the evil hearts of man.
'A disgusting land, falling apart' *Shows image of paris*
CheezyBegga eh he he he he
hon hon hon hon
I would have shown Chicago.
Vulgun I would have shown where my grandad lives
I would've shown New Jersey
*Ultimate zelda theory*
Link is Ness
traxor21 okey
traxor21
I get it.
traxor21 *Gasp*
Everything makes sense now.
traxor21 if link is ness, it means link is also sans
traxor21 Link = Ness = Sans = Luigi
With BotW out now, it is safe to assume that the Yiga Clan fit this theory even better than the sheikah. The Yiga are always seen in masks, can teleport, have spies throughout Hyrule, and are a broken off branch form of the sheikah, theoretically.
That would make me feel a little better. I like the Sheikah. 😂
They’re descendants of the Sheikah though. This only implies that there have been darker motives behind the Sheikah for an untold amount of time.
The yiga are the Sheikah though, just salty that they are forbidden from using their technology by the king, so they take sideswith Ganon, so that is why they were spying on the Royal family.
I couldn't imagine master khoga turning Hyrule to ruin 😂
nothing theoretical about it, the yiga are confirmed in game to be a broken off branch of the sheika
Zelda Development Team: Lets just make another game and fit it in the timeline somewhere because Hyrule Historia exists.
Zelda Fanbase: Not good enough. Hold my beer and rupees.
"Hold my chateau romani"
Hold my milk
@@bobtheboy5311 Lon lon milk
@@AmnieKa your comment wins lmaooo 😂😂😂😂😂
Hold my Navi
Just noticed that you go through majora's mask in the shape of a 4.
You start in the swamp, go up to the mountain, when finished with that dungeon you go to the great bay and than the valley.
Shape of a 4
4 is bad luck in japan so thats probably an intentional thing especially considering you end in ikana valley
Huh, I never thought of that
oH MY FUC-WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE MORE LIKES?
@@Disvoidal it's not bad luck, it's death.
in fact excessive use of the number four can be perceived as a threat in japan.
@@windhelmguard5295 yes, it's the same pronunciation as the beginning of the word for death, and thus it's come to be a number of bad luck.
One very small thing that hardly matters, but Hilda wouldn't be the bearer of the Triforce of Wisdom, she would be Power. They literally say that in the game. Yuga, being Ganondorf's counterpart doesn't have Power, he has Courage. And of course Lorule Link, who is revealed in the story which you should totally play if anyone hasn't, is a coward, but he has Wisdom instead. Thought that would be nice to know, doesn't effect the theory too much though.
Hoenn Trainer34
so a villan who will actually do something without a second doubt.
Yeah I was about to say, there's nothing in the game that says that, is there? Although that's a nice theory when ignoring this one lol
***** They don't need the Triforce to have those virtues. And I doubt there's zero evidence. They at least imply that Lorule Link was "smart" enough to make a plan to save Lorule without fighting for himself, giving him, more wisdom than Hilda did.
One thing in favor of Ravio being Wisdom is that after you buy all of the items in his shop and talk to him later he will have some rather profound things to say. Can't say any examples right now as I lost my copy of the game.
Just a reminder that he and Zelda are also the only potential triforce holders to hide their identity at one point.
Then there's the 4th timeline where Link tells his younger self to just go back to sleep and Gannondorf never gets access to the Triforce.
Sleeping Hero timeline.
The Hero of Sleep
I know you are kind of joking but that would not have solved the problem. Even without Link opening the Door of Time Ganondorf already cursed the Decku Tree, was starving the Gorons, and took over Hyrule castle chasing the royal family out. You could certainly argue that things wouldn't have gotten as bad if Link had done nothing but it was already on the path to being almost as bad.
Yeah it is a strechy theory, but there are some nice nods to Majora's mask and the idea that Sheika may be the people stuck in the Twilight realm, remember the Kakariko village with no one living there?
They were all killed by shadow beasts when the twilight realm conflicted with the light realm due to Zant's interference
Then...
*BOTW: Ganon takes over Sheikah tech.*
*Yiga exist*
*YIGA WEAR MASKS*
And Yiga Are *Sheika* Turned Bad!! *The whole Cycle starts to fit like a puzzle*
Ganon created the Sith
@@misterkaos.357 Jar Jar Binks is a Sheika monk?
@@GreenNubCakes Jar Jar is the true leader of the Yiga Clan.
Alucard Fahrenheit Tepes the link to that video doesn’t work and no I didn’t just make a title to a zelda game
Here's a thought: There are only three Triforce pieces, and the fourth "piece" isn't actually a piece but rather the absence of it. Sometimes the lack of something can be just as powerful, if not more, than the actual presence of it. That's why there isn't a holder of the fourth piece; you can't have something that isn't there.
Are you familiar with Sierpinski triangles? The triforce is a step in the process of drawing that fractal. It's a holy relic; maybe it exists transtemporally across a whole multiverse; the absence in the core (where you get the rule to transform every part of the triangle) representing infinitude - across Hyrule, New Hyrule, Lorule, Termina (I don't buy Lorule = Termina if that matters), the sacred realm(s), the world of dreams in Koholint, whatever the PH whale world was (haven't played it in years), and at every moment in the timeline.
I see the hole as symbolic of the user's goal.
Dapper Blook - If the fourth piece was represented by the fourth goddess, then it could be the Triforce of Time, which, being the middle piece, links the other three pieces. It explains why the other three pieces are always being represented by new versions of their original wielders... THROUGHOUT TIME!
Also, as she destroyed her realm's Triforce (the Time piece), it is missing from the whole Triforce, yet the influence it had on the other pieces remains...which is why Link, Canon and Zelda must continue their fight in various reincarnations throughout time: it is no longer possible to break that cycle as long as the Time Triforce piece is destroyed.
KappaRoss
Have people ever considered that the 4th piece isn't a piece but rather the whole of the triforce put together? It's 3 golden triangles that come together and make one big triangle with a hole in the middle. It's the balance required to hold all 3 pieces together. Remember, Ganondorf couldn't hold all 3 pieces when he broke into the sacred realm on Ocarina, so there is some force holding them together and there is a force gained by holding all 3 that goes beyond the sum of the powers they hold individually
Actually, when you try to "wear" the mask in link between worlds, the music gets slightly distorted & glitchy, more than it was before. Now, why the mask was in the game is a mystery to me.
The music is distorted and glitchy when you wall-merge in general, there's nothing special about that spot.
I got a purple mattress commercial during this vid
Coincidence
*I THINK NOT*
The sheikha outfit can be dyed purple in BoTW. Coincidence? *I THINK NOT* they needed to round out all the colors to dye stuff in BoTW, so they made it so you can dye things purple.
Lol
EEEeeeevvvillllll
The purple elemental stone in the Minish Cap is actually the element of EARTH, not WIND as it's said in the video.
True, earth tends to be associated with death in this series though, linking it to the ikana if nothing else.
NuRhoSquared Wouldn't that link it more with the Gerudo too?
Ooo, our bad, though as TheTwilitHero points out in his comment: "earth tends to be associated with death in this series though, linking it to the Ikana if nothing else."
So point weakened, but still there a tad. ;)
Also Vaati is a minish! We see a cutscene explaining his origin in game! He doesn't come from the dark world.
Derp derp.
Ultimate Zelda Theory: Groose is the Triforce.
William Coleman true
I actually would believe it... :D
I could see the groose counterpart as the guy telling hilda to destroy the triforce, and Ravio being too much of a wimp to tell Hilda that's a bad idea.
XD
Majora’s mask: *is the darkest Zelda game*
Botw 2 trailer: “I’m about to end this mans whole career”
Nothing will be as dark as Majora's Mask because of ESRB.
No sorry Cameron James
How original... NOT. And botw2 won’t touch majoras mask in any way
Thats what they want you too think 🔺
nothing beats majoras mask in terms of creepy. Botw2 can be the second creepiest put majoras mask will always be first
One problem, spoiler alert.
In a Link Between Worlds, Zelda restores Lorule’s Triforce in the end game.
Another spoiler alert
Hilda didn’t destroy the Lorule triforce, her ancestors did. She was only going to steal the Hyrule triforce to save her world, however selfish it may seem.
That's why it stopped being full of monsters by the time of Majora's Mask, I suppose
that would actually make sense, because then they coud've hid the existance of the triforce so the wars wouldn't start up again
@@carlphilippgaebler5704 Except that the games are in seperate timelines, and even then Link Between Worlds is further down in its own timeline after Majora's Mask.
well guys thats why its called theory but despite the dif timelines it actually fits
PRINCESS ZELDA'S NAME IN WINDWAKER IS TETRA
Roberto Guerra Wich means... Exactly that: 4
Roberto Guerra HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL!!!!!
What if they didn't put the fourth because the number 4 in asian culture is unlucky?? In Japan, many apartment houses and car parks skip 4. 「し」 means four in Japanese but also it ranslate to death. It's mainly in Asia, not western countries. It's called Tetraphobia
Hylia is the 4th Goddess
Tetragrammaton?
Or y'know, maybe it was a hint to Majora's Mask 3D...
SurfingKyogre maybe it was both
SurfingKyogre that's exactly what it was
Are we casually forgetting that Vati was a picori, not a gerudo? Really my only issue with this, if I'm being honest
He never said that Vaati was a gerudo, he said Yuga was gerudo.
But he did claim Vatti was a shieka, he's explicitly mentioned as being minish
Vaati was around before Minish Cap though, so different Vaatis might have slightly varied origins, there's a lot of holes in the timeline that kind of just throw curveballs in every theory but that's half the fun is kinda just piecing together your own theories.
@@SageSchispell Vaati was NOT around before Minish Cap, Minish Cap is the second game in the timeline. Vaati's first appearance is his Picori/Minish/Make-A-Wish-Humanoid form. He is sealed away at the end of Minish Cap, and is the same entity for all of his other appearances.
@@SageSchispell also to add onto tatltales39, he stright up showed mi ish cap vatti. So yeah he goofed a bit
"Is it possible that BOTH masks were made by the same people?"
Yeah.... they're called Nintendo. :P
lol
Sic brn
ITS THE NINTENDO TRIBE
best! xD
Skull kid was like, “They didn’t care who I was until I put on the mask.”😂
villans are associated with purple...robbie rotten's main color is...oh my god...
The PhantomGamer - Wario and Waluigi have purple clothing, the Joker wears purple, even Barney the dinosaur is purple... It all makes sense!! 😂
Master Vision You know what else is purple? The rot in Dark Souls. The interlopers want to snuff the flame confirmed
And Mario RPG characters like me
Just look at disney villains, the guy from Quasimodo, Ursula the which, Maleficent, the Evil Queen, the Bad godmother, Izma.
Wait... The British crown is purple.....
1. HIGH-Lee uh, not Hill-E-Uh
2. The shield in Majora is not the symbol of Termina. Proof being that Link has it back in hyrule when receiving the Ocarina from Zelda, and in the lost woods before falling to termina
3. The Twili have no masks when in their true form. The masks are kind of a symbol of the corruption of the twili. Obscuring their true form as it were.
Another thing I realized is that Vaati's origins are not of Lorule. It's stated in Minish cap that Vaati is a former minish, with his clothes coming from the magical cap that Ezlo makes. No Lorulian origins.
EyexSore YT Yup
EyexSore YT I thought the pronunciation was hilarious.
yeah the pronunciation of "hill-e-uh" was annoying to me, because why would you say "HIGH-rule" for Hyrule but when it comes to "HIGH-lee-uh" you use "hill"?
I wouldn't nitpick the pronunciation of Hylia. There are so many things in the Zelda universe that are improperly pronounced, calling people out on every little one is just unreasonable. The most common I find is the pronunciation of Gerudo as "guh-roo-doh". Prior to the introduction of the Gerudo race in OoT, there existed two enemies known as Geldman and Geldarm who both existed in desert regions. Romanization of the Japanese spelling of the terms reveals the common root of geld being more accurately spelled "gerudo", thus the name of the race. With this in mind, the proper pronunciation of Gerudo would be "Geh-roo-doh" with very little emphasis on the "oo" and "oh" portions. It should also be noted that it seems the original translation of Gerudo was intended by Nintendo to be "Geldo". With this knowledge, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever pronounce the "er" in Gerudo without the short E sound. But people do anyway and that pronunciation is almost universally accepted.
I always figured the Happy Mask Salesman was just Shigeru Miyamoto doing his best impression of Quinton Tarantino; appearing directly in his own film universe as a character.
Oof this is a rough one mate. I don’t know what to start with. Tetraforce theory has some compelling evidence, the fourth being a purple goddess of wind and happiness/love.
But the Twlil parts and the dark world are just nonsense.
I do enjoy that the monster visual is a horse. Horses are evil.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the 4th piece is actually depicted on the Hylian Shield of Ocarina of Time.
silversonic1 I was going to to say that! Looking back after beating it time and time again. I remember playing it with my now late father, I found the last key in the water temple, we couldn't find too. The one in the water level room under the red block.. wierddd
I would say majoras mask looks like Zelda was out there without a shield. Can't go back now. 🤐
It looks like the loft wing is carrying the piece to the triforce
silversonic1 it was retconned so the oot shield design isn't cannon anymore.
The fact that's it's separate from the triforce and at the feet of the bird..
The missing peice seems pretty special, it's holding it.
I just watched a 25 min video without any ads
I do that all the time, here. I just have addbock.
Congratz, I got 3 ads.
I got 4...
I know, I was so happy
I got four ads.
.-.
"Majoras mask is the first time they dropped the red lettering"
Adventure of link: are you sure about that?
You've overlooked the Oracle games. Where they showed us that Din was the goddess of seasons, Farore the goddess of secrets, and Nayru the goddess of time.
I don’t believe that the ones featured in the oracle games are the actual goddesses. Simply, they share the same names of the goddess and perhaps personality and appearance, but aren’t actually the goddesses themselves.
@@burgermeister8261 Yep they are simply Oracles which is a term for people that act as a medium for deities. We could assume they serve as the oracles of the goddesses of their namesakes and as a result that they would have some tie to these aspects themselves. Which I suppose technically given that the three of them shaped the entirety of reality into what it is now is kinda not that big of stretch?
@@shadenox8164 I think that they are like Zelda, reincarnations of the godesses.
And you need to find them a house in the Minish Cap😂
"We broke the shiny triangles. It was bad, don't do that."
6th rule of popo's training, DON'T BREAK POPO'S STUFF
"Disgusting world"
Shows a photo of Paris.
Wut?
I KNOW. LOL.
fuk u !
the text on the pictures he used were all in french too. Maybe it's connected?
Probably because of the monst-I mean Muslims invading it.
I think it's an elaborate Pokemon X/Y joke.
Years and years and years ago, prolly like a decade ago, I remember a friend and I coming up with a very very similar theory (but our version was mostly just based around MsM, Ocarina, and TP, and of course didn't include the more recent releases). The interesting part is that what cued us in to it was something SUPER inconspicuous that I don't think is mentioned in this video (but idk I'm only at the 19:30 mark): In TP, Midna's first reaction upon accessing a shield is to *wear it as a mask*, indicating that for some reason she associates protection with them. Then the whole rabbit hole of the fused shadows stuff began and... yeah. Tbh I think this theory (or at least something similar) is plausible just cuz it's really easy to imagine if you pay enough attention-- if my 11-year-old self was able to see parts of this from the text and imagery, then it can't be that impossible. Kudos, mate!
Why does everyone think terminal as in death when talking about Termina from Majora's Mask?
I always thought of it as terminal in the sense of an airport or train terminal, as in a waypoint, rather than a final destination.
This seems evident by Termina Field completely surrounding clock town, which is the central point of the region and the entire "kingdom" (for lack of a better term) being roughly circular.
In other words, Termina field is a waypoint you must pass through to get to your destination. Regardless of your starting point or whether your destination is clock town, southern swamp, snowhead mountain, ikana canyon or the great bay, you must always go through this waypoit; this terminal.
The (kingdom?) of Termina is a waypoint on Link's journey to try and find Navi. It's not a destination, it's a terminal he arrives at along the way to his ultimate destination.
Even in the sense of an airport or train terminal, the word "terminal" is used in that way because it is the end of something; the end of a train line or plane path, something like that. The word "terminal" derives from a Latin term ("terminus") that literally refers to a stone that marks the boundary, or end, of something. English takes this literal idea of a demarcation of something's edge or endpoint and makes it into the figurative idea of the end of something. Plus, Majora's Mask has heavy themes of death and destruction; it would make sense for the use of the name "Termina" to refer to the destruction at hand.
peobably ebcauze most people dont associate zelda with airports.
@@guardingdark2860 wher the train terminates? Good point.
Thought the same, not "terminal" as in "terminally ill" but in the broader sense of the point where something ends. Which doesn't mean there can't be a new beginning afterwards.
@@HappyBeezerStudios yeah but when your options are interpreting terminal as "the end of things that in some cases allows for a new beginning meaning this is all about a waypoint" or "the end, one way or another", the simplest option is the most obvious since it's always applicable, you know? Any terminal is ALWAYS the end even if some are simultaneously beginnings, so it's not the obvious thought process to focus on the examples that do serve a secondary purpose rather than the actual definition of the word terminal, you know?
Except Link never finds or reunites with Navi. It may have been his original motivation but once the Ocarina of Time and Epona were stolen from him, that became his motivation to retrieve them, and once he did that, to retrieve the Majora's Mask.
To give kudos to this theory, I just realized looking at official art that twili Midna has a sheikah eye on her robes.
Joshua Petersen the breakdown of the sheikah symbol was pretty shocking, makes alot of sense. Whoever is in charge of zelda lore at nintendo should just come out and drop these bombs for the fans, since this is pretty deep digging to figure out.
And the back of the fused shadow.
9:33 Unfortunately for this theory, the Twili DON'T HAVE MASKS when in their TRUE form.
... Duh?
Roger Mandala
ikr, i was so annoyed
Roger Mandala While that is true, the useage of masks that are cursed with dark magic to transform the wearer into a monster is the core plot of the majora's mask game.
Remember, the deku mask was created by removing a curse
from link, meaning if anything the twili not wearing masks in their true form actually enhances this theory.
Almost like the masks are a curse and that's the whole point.
You should make it clearer in the next video, a lot of people didn't seem to get it
You never mentioned how link turned into a monster (wolf) in the twilight realm as well.
like link turns into a bunny in lttp. so... dark world= twilight realm?
Different Link, different personality. Everyone turns into something different that most resembles their true self and .. TP Link was most like a wolf, lol.
Interesting trivia: In Japanese folklore, wolves were regarded as guardian deities; this is in opposition to European folklore, where wolves were demons and tricksters.
That's because in Europe, Wolves are cunts.
The thing about the four light spirits' names in Twilight Princess: if you take the first syllable of both Faron and Ordona and combine them, you (phonetically) get Farore. I could have sworn I'd read in more than one place that was intentional, as in the two names are derived from Farore's name.
Doubtful; in all languages except English, the region is actually called Latoan instead of Ordona.
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the 4 Giants that save Termina when you were talking about 4.
IBTY Productions Consider that each of the first three Giants have an active and growing civilisation within, where as the fourth giant has only the undead in his region. you could say he was forgotten by way of his "people" dying off. kind of weak I know but it's a workaround.
Wouldn't a fourth existing just add credibility to the rule of 4 theory? Especially in Termina.
He probably didn't play the games. Maybe just an unexperienced fan
TheGreatOtaku -Sama from what i saw in the description, this was a collaborative work and were made in 2 videos, a english version (this) and french one hence he said mojo palace instead of deku (translation mishaps).
I see that Lockstin has already acknowledged that Earth is the fourth element, not wind, but it's also worth noting that in Wind Waker Farore is referred to as the Goddess of Wind, so Wind is without a doubt the element representing courage.
Well....
Sounds all good
But the tear in the Shiekas symbol is actually a part they added, aftet the royal family betrayed the Shiekah...
It's stated in the hyrule historia
But, anything else makes sense
The tear it's because they stole their chokocrispys
A lot of it is actually hella incorrect, to the level of this factoid.
@@tatltails3923 Huh, explain yourself please? .-.
Tbh I think the twili were once the elusive Zonau(I) rather than shiekah
So lets brake this down a bit shall we?
In one video you're telling me that:
-There is a 4th piece of the Triforce
-There are 4 goddesses
-Lorule is an early version of Termina
-The Shieka are the Garo and the Interlopers
-Zant is the Master of the Garo
-They are the same people who made both Majoras Mask and the Fused Shadow
-The Happy Mask Salesman, Vaati and Dark Link all came from Lorule
-The Sword used by the final boss of Skyward Sword (forgot his name) is the dark version of the Mastersword from Lorule
-And finally you hint that Stallord is the skeleton of the Inprisoned
Don't you think you're going a little bit into tinfoiled hat territory here?
break*
He's making knots in the timeline
Yvthan Rosémary I thought the typo was funny, and kind of worked (as in "let's *stop* right there and analyze this"), even though they most likely meant "break" not "break", and the grammar doesn't quite flow. In short, it was a nice little unintended pun xD
A timeline thats basically made of nots and splits
Takashiari I mean, it is a fanmade theory
"Disgusting land"
* shows a picture of Paris, France *
You never followed up on what the 4th Triforce part was for; if the other 3 are Courage, Wisdom and Power, what's the 4th meant to be?
Love
Time?
Truth
Death?
Poop?
Can I just say, it's HIGH-LIA. Hylia, like Hyrule. Get it?
It's not. Originally it is pronounced Hil-ia, Hil-ians. Like Hyllis. Lake Hylia. High-lia became a sort of fanmade pronunciation relatively recently. Gotta see the original cartoons.
@@soulmechanics7946 I personally don't think that's correct. After all, if Nintendo is going to totally confirm the pronunciation of "Hyrule" by giving us "Lorule" then, given what we know about how we derive locals terms from location, it would make more sense that it's "HIGH-lian" and "HIGH-lia," would it not? Think about it. America (uh-MARE-ih-CUH) has Americans (uh-MARE-ih-CANS), Russia (RUH-SHUH) had Russians (RUH-SHINS), Japan (JAH-pan) has Japanese (JAH-pah-KNEES), so on and so forth. Maybe the cartoon was wrong.
@@Seth-vj8vm There is no right or wrong, only first and last. Hylians(hih-lians) comes first, and Hyrule, in the end, becomes New Hyllis(hih-lis). Besides, the cartoon was created by Nintendo, I think they probably had a little confirmation in so far as regards etymology and pronunciation(as contrived as it would have to have become at points). Say Highlian if you want, it is pronounced Highrule certainly, but Lorule was not meant to confirm anything other than the creators running out of new spins to put on an underworld concept. Frankly, I thought the Twilight Realm nailed it, and I still haven't even gotten to play that game. 😢😭 Whatever the case, we never heard the pronunciation Highlian used until fairly recently, and it was a confirmed mistake. Just caught on like wildfire, because well, it makes perfect sense right!? Except that it sounds horrid. Should be common sense really.
@@soulmechanics7946 Alright, you got me there, with all you're facts and stuff. I still think highlia sounds better, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Also, I agree that Twilight was definitely one of the best of the bunch. I hope you get a chance to play it!
@@Seth-vj8vm Really? I think it sounds horrible, that is the only reason I care. But thank you. I think I can probably get a GameCube relatively cheap now. Too bad the damned emulators never work. 😒
Actually, to help you out a bit more too, A Link Between Worlds helps with this theory. Oh, and spoilers for the end of the game. Ravio, the homeless stranger gone "coincidentally" pivotal shopkeep, wears purple. Link begins with his green tunic, then finds a blue one, and finally a red one. But Ravio is revealed to be Lorule's Link at the end, which explains why Link flashes purple when he travels through a portal. But come to think of it, where did he get that bracelet? And all those items? He lacked the COURAGE to save Lorule, so maybe he got the 4th goddess Hylia's power instead?
Maybe he was indeed corageous and brought those items from his adventures. And aided Link to push him to Lorule and all that moment with Hilda was an act.
Or he just stole everything.
The Natarator Meh, Ravio is simply conniving instead of courageous, taking a more thoughtful approach to his helping than Link's "courage," which for the most part is Link ignoring good judgement and storming into battle half-cocked. XD Ravio seemed smart, it wouldn't surprise me if he made the bracelet because he knew Yuga could turn him into a painting, which would be a real big problem, so he found a way to protect himself from it.
I read one theory that state the Lorulian Triforce pieces are distributed differently;
Hilda- Power (The primary seeker of the Triforce's power)
Ravio- Wisdom (The one who sees the error of the whole plot)
Yuga- Courage (The one who mirrors Link's action by "collecting" the sages)
Or they could be the Yiga clan, which would make more sense, but I'll let you slide there because this video was made months before Zelda: Breath of the Wild was released
TYTY it couldn't be the yiga as they were formed closer to the time of botw.
TYTY Right. The Yiga were founded only after the Hyrulians rejected high technological advance, sometime between the battle 10,000 years ago and the Calamity.
Well it's been apparent that the Sheikah don't explicitly go by that name, the lorulians have had many names for their organizations, so it would make sense if the yiga, Gora, twili, and Sheikah are all one and the same
From what I remember the Yiga Clan was created pretty close to the Calamity and since nothing about the technology is talked about in other games and there's no mention of other heroes arising between then and the start of BoTW they can't be the clan. The way the game presents it the world went an entire ten thousand years between reincarnation cycles, whilst also passing down the history of the Hero of Twilight, Time, and Sky. That causes it's /own/ issues though.
Actually, I believe, BoTW only specifies that it had been 10,000 years since the last Calamity-level incarnation of Gannon. People all across Hyrule are aware of different reincarnations of Gannon, like when he took the form of a Gerudo. It is clear in Link's recovered memories that the royal family at the very least are well aware of Link, Zelda, and Gannon's reincarnation cycle, and the mythological roles they fulfill as manifestations of fundamental forces. Zelda is destined to seal Gannon, Link is the Chosen Hero. The thing is, that they should have been the most prepared for Gannon, but the entire Sheika arsenal ended up being instantaneously posessed. The ancient Sheika, who made Pacific Rim style anti-Gannon laser mechs and an incorruptible system of shrines and towers, as well as reality bending technology that fits in the palm of your hand, just happened to forget to Gannon-proof their murder drones?
If the Sheika had left well enough alone, Link and Zelda would have managed to overcome the Calamity in a direct confrontation, just like they had 10,000 years ago. But then they would've had another ten millennia of "minor" reincarnations before the next Calamity struck, and on and on and on. So the Sheika orchestrated for the kingdom to fall as a "necessary sacrifice" in order to delay the battle for another 100 years. Then they ensure that the memory-wiped Link is set up to find the modern Sheika for guidance, and to train at the shrines and overcome the divine beasts in order to ensure that he is fully capable of properly ending Gannon when the time comes. After a century, Gannon is desperate for free reign to enact chaos. He is terrified of being overcome and having to wait another 10,000 years for another chance to really do some damage. So, as Zelda says in the battle against his final form, Calamity Gannon has given up all hope of resurrection in a last-ditch effort to overpower Link and escape his fate. None of this would have happened without the Sheika to cleverly orchestrate it. To lay low for 10,000 years so the technology is obsolete and impossible to understand, then allow it to be excavated right before the calamity so that Gannon will have an instant army; Link will inevitably fall to them- and what do you know? The Sheika prepared a Shrine of Resurrection which will get done repairing Link just in time for Gannon to break free from Zelda's restraints, one century later.
I think the Sheika tried to do the right thing. Whether they succeeded or not is not really made clear in the game.
I love Zelda oot and mm theories, so fun to consider :). Brings me back to my childhood playing on my n64. Nice video my friend
The single tear isnt for destroying the triforce
In OOT Shiek says "The tear wasnt always there. Originally, it was just an eye. But when hyrule betrayed us, we added a single tear"
Dude, this quote is NOWHERE in the game. You sure you're not just making this up?
@@aaroncrawford771 It's from the manga, which isn't canon.
@@aaroncrawford771 Lol he just made up a quote 😂😂😂
Angel OiTz it’s in Hyrule Historia though
Its true. At some point later on, she also says "Yo, Naboru is my yigga."
Wait wasn't vaati a minish from the minish cap
Possibly a Minish from Lorule
Yes, I was.
Jalen Costa Indeed.
Wrenchy247 No, he was just a Minish. A Minish from Hyrule.
The Minish in general aren't native to Hyrule.
there is another mention of "blood-stained history", in the shadow temple it is described as "here lies hyrules blood-stained history" hm.... an interesting connection
also vaati is a minish ^^; so that one doesn't work. he is revealed as a minish, he is not a resident of lorule at all since he was ezlo's apprentice prior to the game. but his wish was to become a powerful sorcerer and that is the form he has in the game... interesting that the form he takes resembles a shiekah, powerful sorcerers in their own right... perhaps that is why his form looks like one of lorule
Sekkechi And the purple element is earth, not wind.
yup, that as well
Yeah I watched awhile ago another zelda theory video explaining the sheikah Timeline from skyward sword too Oot to Twillight princess a long time ago as well telling the story of the Sheikah as written in the games and players guides etc.
so lorule cant have minish, racist , JK :P
Joseph Wroblewski lol xD
Cringe everytime "HILL-lia" is mentioned.
Or HILL-ian
hilly-ah
"Hilly-AAAAH" is the new "hell yeah" for me.
But Hyrule is pronounced correctly.
Enzo Miranda OHMYGOSH YES xP
18:06 It's important to remember that ALBW released 2 years before Majora's Mask 3D and that there is a Majora's Mask easter egg in Link's house, so the Mask Cult could've just been a hint to MM3D's existence
That second shield, the Hero's Shield, is actually from Hyrule(Link had it with him in the begining of the game while in the lost woods). It's a redesign of the original Hyrulean Shield meant for children. You can tell that it is Hyrulean due to the Triforce symbol, which only appears one other time in Majora's mask, at the inverted Stone Tower (But just to excite you, I'll mention that the Lorule Triforce is an inverted regular triforce, so you at least have that connection).
Also, Vaati is native to the Hyrule of Minish cap. He is a picori (Minish), who used a magical hat to transform himself.
And as for the title color, the two four sword games had a green title, and both Oracle of Ages (a direct timeline sequel to ALTTP) and the Adventure of Link use blue.
I really like theories involving Majora's Mask and ALBW, but despite all you mentioned, I can't help but wonder why you didn't mention Clock Town's "royal family" bearing certain royal features (Purple hair, red eyes) or even so much as mention the FOUR giants that are said to have created Termina, each walking 1000 steps in the cardinal directions. I don't mean to sound rude with this, but I figured that my comment might be helpful should you revisit this theory in the future.
Hyalian. It's Hyalian.
Kendra Silcott It's actually hylian.
No. It's HYYYYAAAAAAAAlian
Grumble Beard It really isn't, look it up. No a between the y and the l, which makes sense since the goddess is named Hylia, not Hyalia.
:cough: Somebody didn't play The Minish Cap OR has a small problem to remember the game correctly... Vaati is NOT from Hyrule. The Picori/Minish exist also in another world - the place where our evil magician used to live before betraying his master. In the end of the game, we even see how Ezlo returns to that world before the portal (Minish Door) closes for another hundred years.
ALttP: 3 Pendants, 3 Medals
OoT: 3 Spiritual Stones, 3 Tunics
WW: 3 Pearls
TP: 3 (Collectable) Fused Shadows
PH: 3 Pure Medals, 3 Goddess Tears, 3 Fairies, 3 Keys
SS: 3 Sacred Flames
LBW: 3 Pendants
TH: 3 Links (Dopples)
3 Seperate Timelines
cellogamer GAMING You are right about all those things with 3, except for the fused shadows. There are actually 4 of those. Midna wears the 4th.
Also, there is a 4th dopple, but it's... abandoned.... yes, how odd, almost like it wasn't wanted, like it was cast out. How... interesting... that somebody would make one... and then cast it out...
cellogamer GAMING half life 3 confirmed
SS: 3 flames, but 4 swords. The one you start with (the Goddess sword, IIRC) counts as well.
Dale Earnhardt
What if Demise is actually The Hero who time-traveled from Termina/Dark World/Lorule to act out his revenge?
He does pretty much have a Dark Mastersword.
ravio is lorule link
someone can make a nice fanfic about it though
Hylia was created by the goddess' to protect the triforce, the Majora's mask is a reference to the upcoming Majora's mask 3d, and ordona was always there, jus not mentioned
I really fancy the idea of the sheikah being the interlopers and such, it really makes sense considering how impa is the sage of shadow, like that just makes too much sense not to be true
But, if the sheikah betraied the royal family, why is Impa as Zelda guardian??? Maybe she stayed on hyrule side and for that was rewarded!!!
perhaps only a faction of the sheikah did (i.e. the Yiga Clan) whereas those who followed Impa/her predecessor (keep in mind how old Impa usually is, even when she isnt a crone. so she could have been the leader during the war) stayed as the sheikah in their original form.
But isnt the official version that the royal family has betrayed them?That means the yoyals are in this case the bad one.
Exactly the twili didn’t make majoras mask
@@xomvoid_akaluchiru_987 I think the creators of Majoras Mask will be always unknown. The fact that we never has a sequel and/or prequel of Majoras Mask shows us that they didnt have big ideas/plans about that thing.
...And this is why this channel is awesome and Game Theory is terrible now with their clickbait popular trending videos focusing on only games like FNaF and junk.
truuuth truuuthh...
You have to admit, the Film theory Bee movie meme video today was pretty much exactly that. Not all GT vids (and FT) are bad, but the trashy ones are rearing their heads, lately.
+Ninja To think people like you can lie to yourselves with such ease and not even realize it?
Are you just in denial or something? Both are equally good. Get over yourself and starting caring about truth, kid.
+KappaPride This has very little to do with opinions. Both are factually good. That's how things work. To think that *_not liking_* something makes it *_bad_* is depressingly hilarious to me. Everything is good.
... I hope you're joking
8:07 there’s one problem with that theory though. besides the eye, the twilight’s mask and statues and all that have completely different looking art styles. Twilights art tends to look more geometrical
19:47 Hey, wait
Hyrule
High-Rule
Lorule
Low-Rule
COINCIDENCE?
I THINK NOT
omg
Isn't that the whole point of it? 😂
Lightmuffin oh right
Middle rule
The racism of the purple link continues in the triforce heros. they have 2 totems, blue and red with the purple one missing ( you play as the green one). while outside of the castle, there is a totem that has been cast outside. that could be the purple link because he is missing in the game.
Funny thing about the Garo/Twili/Shieka is that kinda has since been confirmed in BoTW with the Yiga. It would make sense that earlier in the timeline prior to BoTW (like just before Ocarina of Time in that War for Unification) some of the Shieka defect and become Yiga or Garo or whatever and try to usurp the kingdom.
Seven years later and this is still my favorite and most deeply believed theory for zelda.
MM is still to this day one of my all time favorite games. It and OoT were sooo close to my heart as a child. I still play it on my N64 about once a year. MM was revolutionary for me.
U..Ultimate Zelda Theory... *puts on seatbelt* Here we go again! *starts laughing like a madman while clicking play*
It's a bit of a fixer-upper theory, but it works well enough.
The path you do the Majora's Mask dungeons in also is the shape of a 4.
holy crap I never noticed that but its completely right.
I hope one day they throw something batshit crazy like this in. Even if it wasn't planned all along, just give us a long running thread that can be traced back through the series, just to give us die hard fans a reward for caring about the continuity.
Not sure why these super old videos of yours started popping up in my feed but they are very enjoyable and well done on the weighty loss man, you’re looking incredible now!
I'm pretty sure it was just there as hint that they were remaking majora's mask, because it did get a remake after this game was released. Cool theory tho
Dude don't forget the evilest purple villain
Robbie Rotten
Eh hmm?
Master Troller what did you expect sportaflop
Freeza
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I thought it was the yiga clan, because they once were part of shekiah and they all wear masks while practicing ninja and "magic" skills deep in the desert. Plus, they are allies to Ganon to probably fulfill that task to snatch the Triforce away.
And they might be the 'hydra' Inside the sheikah(sheild)
If impa of the shekhas was a traitor then how did she become a sage in ocarina of time?🧐
Sheikas of the past impa was probably not even there or involved in it because not all of the sheikas were traitors
Isnt the whole point of the theory that time-and-dimension-travel allowed the Lorulians to send Sheikah to prevent the same mistakes being made? The Sheikah looking to take advantage of their position must still exist for Twilight Princess to play out as it did, and for BOTWs Yiga to exist, but others are genuinely there to help now, and I'd be willing to bet each incarnation of Impa is one of them, hence her constant dedication to Zelda.
when people say "the shekha" they don't mean every single shekha that has ever existed, because they aren't a monolith, they're individual people. this theory involves a timeline that spans thousands of years, multiple timelines, and dimension hopping, I should hope the individual people within those timelines would have different goals and values
The theory that the interlopers were Sheikah is not new - but it's something of a dangerous precedent to blame all Sheikah for the actions of the Interlopers. It's likely only part of the tribe tried to get the Triforce - since, y'know, by the time of OoT there are still Sheikah protecting the Royal Family, and the civil war happened before the events of OoT.
We may learn more when BoTW comes out - it seems like the Sheikah are going to be in focus for the game, so we may learn a lot about them.
Ryan P Indeed! It is even possible the reason why the hyrule civil war happened to start with is because the original sheikah split into two seperate factions that became the leaders of each side.
One loyal to the royal family, the other turning against them.
Ryan P
true, they did say that the sheika gave the land BLUE aura. Twili and their buildings are Blue. Zant is one of the banished Sheika and once he gained control, RED aura was present. the sheika statues once corrupted became RED from their once BLUE state.
Ryan P civil war was the covert war of bongo bongo not The interlopers...
this is an issue with the time line, unless there is a date, dont believe that every game is a direct sequel, they arent, there is likely more years than you think between Ganondorf, link and breath of the wild... which i believe could be in any timeline but the new texture on the castle walls
Haruhi Suzumiya You can't say "no it was this other thing" when the civil war hasn't been featured in any sort of canonical source. We know very little about the Hyrulean Civil War, other than that it was horrible, and Hero of Time Link was born during this time period, and lost his mother as a direct result of the Civil War. That's literally all we know for sure.
Bongo Bongo probably was sealed during the Civil War, considering he was sealed by Impa. But that doesn't mean that's all the Civil War was about, and it definitely doesn't mean the Civil War had nothing to do with the Interlopers. It's entirely possible Bongo Bongo was created or summoned by the Interlopers to get a leg up during the war. Perhaps they lost control of it - or perhaps they let it loose when defeat seemed imminent, forcing Impa to seal it.
And I've _forgotten_ more Zelda lore than most people will ever learn. I don't need to be reminded that the Timeline is full of holes, thank you.
For some reason, your comment made me draw parallels to Hitler and anti semitism. lol.
Ingo didn't work at the bar in majora's mask, he just drank there. And vatti was one of the minish people so he couldn't have been a shiekah
"disgusting land, falling apart" *Shows a picture of France. 10/10
I used to watch this video a lot in middle school, I’m just about to be a senior. I genuinely get nostalgic from this.
it was good but Lorule regained its triforce at the end of a link between worlds so it would never become Termina and a link between worlds and majoras mask are in different timelines and even if the would be in the same timeline Majoras mask would still take place before a link between worlds.
King Boo
Actually, I think termina and lorule are the same but they are like that BECAUSE of how they are in two different timelines, and even if they would be in the same time line, wouldn't it make sense for majora's mask to take place before link between worlds?
Long comment short, I think your observations actually help the theory
Maybe there's many timelines in Lorule too, one where it gets it's triforce back, and one where it doesn't? And we don't know how Link arrived to Termina. Maybe he both changed dimensions and travelled trhough time?
Or maybe travelling through those cracks in ALBW made you travel through time? When you bring time travel and alternate timelines in, anything can be possible. Like a watered down multiverse theory.
King Boo the return of Lorule's triforce was only returned in the fallen hero timeline.
Here's my view on this: On one timeline we have the Sacred Realm get corrupted into the Dark World (Link to the Past), then returned to "normal", at which point the inhabitants have their Triforce destroyed to prevent it happening again (Ganon is still trapped in that realm). Much later, without the Triforce, this other realm turns into Lorule. In a DIFFERENT timeline, immediately after Ocarina of Time, Link sets out into the Lost Woods, where he falls through some sort of portal. That portal could be a time portal as well as dropping him into the other realm. In this timeline, Link has never visited the realm until the very end of time. Ganon was trapped in the Twilight Realm instead of the Sacred Realm this time, but that doesn't mean somebody else (Aghanim, Vaati, etc) didn't grab the Triforce and start the same chain of events. Lorule does have its own version of Link but he's pretty much worthless. Perhaps a past version of Hilda defeated whoever had taken the Triforce and then destroyed it to prevent it happening again, just like in the other timeline. But the events of Link Between Worlds never happened, so the world continued to deteriorate. People gave up hope in the Goddesses returning the world to the way it was, and developed separately from that point on. They renamed the realm Termina, thinking that without the Goddesses and the Triforce the realm was sure to die, but they managed to survive and in some ways even thrive. Then much later the Skull Kid steals Majora's Mask and sets into motion the destruction of the world, and the Mask Salesman ... does "something" (it was never really revealed what) to summon a champion (Hyrule Link) to protect the world and prevent its destruction. You might notice that in Majora's Mask, there is a distinct lack of Ganon, Hilda, and Link... in Hyrule Zelda and Link only reincarnate when Ganon does, so it makes sense that happens in the other realm as well. Since Ganon had not risen during the events of Majora's Mask, there was no Hilda or Link, so they had to look to what they would see as the other realm, or Hyrule, for a champion. As for why that specific version of Link, and not one from the same time as their own ... well, there's a whole set of theories that essentially say that he never made it out of the Lost Woods after returning to Hyrule, so perhaps the spell the Mask Salesman cast picked him as he was never seen or heard from again and therefore it wouldn't change history if he didn't return.
Yeah I don't fully buy it, though there are some cool ideas here. I admire the effort you put into the theory and editing though! Wish you guys the best of luck.
"The tetraforce" yeah this is fanfic stuff already.
I feel like it's worth mentioning another connection to the tetrafrorce theory. One of Hylias incarnations was given the name Tetra. It might just be a reference to Hylia being the forth goddess but I feel like it could be or at least should be something more
a lot of holes that cause breaks
like the fact that hilda did not destroy the triforce her ancestors did, lorule and hyrule are connected by the sacred relm so lorule can't be the dark world, and vatii was a minish who became a mage not from lorule, also lorule is after termina in the timeline. but the relationship between the garo, shika, and Zant is something I have been saying a long time so I agree with that. over all you missed some big details.
deefizzle1 this theory was not based of the historia, any theorist that is serious looking into zelda requires an encyclopedia even if some details are unable to be understood due to extrapolation when a new game can alter the understanding of the timeline.
plus its strongly suggested that the dark mirror in 4 swords adventures was made up by fragments of the Twilight mirror. or rather the "dark tribe" and the "interlopers" are one and the same.
"A mirror that reflects the evil heart of its bearer, spawning demons. it was once used to imprison the "Dark Tribe", who attempted to invade Hyrule, and thus it was hidden inside a temple with no connection to the Dark World. Its relation to the "Mirror of Twilight" that serves as a path to the Twilight Realm, as well as the magic mirrors that exist in other timelines, is unknown." (Hyrule historia pp 119)
Waitwaitwaitwait, Hilda said it was her ANCESTORS who destroyed the Triforce, not herself.
oh i forgot on hildas staff, that triforce has four parts you're welcome
This was extremely interesting and freaking amazing to be honest.
"She plays him the song of time one last time, and tells him: "
[Add plays]
Oh my! :O
blue flame *too
blue flame too*
SENPAIIIIIIIII
GOODNESS!
ConnerTheWaffle ikr was a pretty good theory
Man, i love this video. Every now and then i get this video on recommendations and i always watch it again. Such a intersting theory.
"it is the first and only time in the series that it drops it's classic red lettering" 7:44
As "The Adventure of Link", "The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages", "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords", and "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition" are all on the same screen.
Facts wrong in this video;
The Hero's Shield (talked about at the 2:25 mark) isn't from Termina but is in fact from Hyrule. Link has this shield on him during his interlude in the forest before ever entering Termina and regains it when he regains his human form. The bird on the Hero's Shield isn't a representation of Termina... as the shield again is from Hyrule (although oddly enough can be purchased in Termina's shops).
Ordona is the Light Spirit of Ordon... Ordon is actually technically not a part of Hyrule (easy to go unnoticed but none of the residents have pointed ears, the mark of being Hylian). But they do have business relationships with Hyrule and that's why it's important that they visit the Royal family and give tributes. Hence the Sword that is being brought to Hyrule Castle at the start of the game. This detail is actually something that is vaguely explained in the game, and is a fact that you have to dig a bit to find out for sure. Still that bridge over the big ravine is a sign of the divide where they cross into Hyrule (as Faron is a part of Hyrule after all).
Hylia is referenced as a goddess serving the Triforce Goddess' as well. She's essentially servant to them. A lesser god under their servatude, a goddess specifically for the care of people. If the Trifoce Goddess were the equivalent of the Holy Trinity of the bible, Hylia would be an angel working for the Triforce Goddess (perhaps thats why her statue is depicted in an angelic way). She isn't separate from them with her own Triforce piece to represent her.
8:45 Majora's Mask was only used in hexing rituals. Not sacrifice rituals. This is important because at no point in Majora's Mask is any sort of sacrifice commited in honor of Majora. What is done though is cursing and Skull Kid does in fact use the mask to curse people. To ruin their emotional lives.
9:50 The Twili don't wear masks. The masks put on them are a product of Zant warping the Twili to his will. It should also be noted that Zant wasn't even using Twili magic to do this. Instead using Ganondorfs and the Triforce of Power in order to bend the Twili into serving him with these masks serving to show his power over them.
I could go on... the theory is so convoluted and attributes events and items to characters with nothing more than guess work and assumptions. It just falls a part. Then trying to tie together elements from games in completely different time lines just doesn't help it. Lorule does share some similarities with Majora's Mask... but again completely different time lines. So the very idea that Lorule and Termina are the same alternate dimension at all doesn't make sense in the slightest. Not to mention that Lorule had monsters because they destroyed their Triforce, their one force that protected them and maintained the world. Which was restored by the end of the game.
Basically the facts are so twisted and jammed together in ways that do not fit that I simply can't even take it at face value. Making the theory at the end just hard to stomach (especially when it expects us to assume things like Hilda is also a reincarnation of the goddess Hylia... which we can't confirm in the slightest... it's a parallel world and it's history is different from Hyrules... they may also not have an Ocarina of Time for that same reason). Vaati also isn't from Lorule... his origins are already explained in detail XD... like come on... he was a Minish. He had dark ambitions. He wears purple and has red eyes, cause he's a villain. Not specifically because he's from Lorule.
I just can't... this theory stretches facts and completely ignores many contradicting things that I just can't even take it seriously for a moment as a plausibility.
TheMaverickk Thank you for bringing all these facts to the table!! :)
+2024Samuel Trent Zant could have numerous reasons for wearing a helmet (which is more or less what it is... it's even got a bit that lifts up around the mouth that reminds me of the knight's helmet piece that lifts). To hide his identity from civilians of the Twili. To intimidate his foes cause he looks so goofy with it off, as a self proclaimed King it may be his own crown.
It could even be his way of showing that he is no longer the same being anymore as he had taken on Ganondorfs power.
I don't think him wearing it is tied to the hexing tribe of Majora's Mask in the slightest.
There's even other curiosities like the fact that we don't know where Majora's Mask originally came from either. We aren't told where the Happy Mask Salesman found it... he didn't find it by visiting the Twili Realm that's for sure. We just know that Skull Kid stole it and took it to Termina with him.
So there is no concrete connection between those from Lorule with the Twili.
Seriously this theory is trash even at it's best.
TheMaverickk also the purple element is the earth element. The wind is the green element. Minor detail
TheMaverickk you are so right I left the same comment but not as long as yours it's disapproving this video i'm glad you know your Zelda history
Evan McMahon yeah but remember where do all dead ppl go when they die. termina is a land of the dead or of those who are about to transition I think he got it wrong termina is the place where Hyrule ends and lorule stars
I can't wait to see all the debunk videos
I’ve been watching lockstin and noggin for years and also recently became obsessed with zeltiks videos and Zelda videos in general, learning that L&G used to maker Zelda videos is huge surprise that I’m super happy about lol, I hope he might come back and make new Zelda videos one day even tho I know his channel has mostly been transformed into a Pokémon channel, but until then I’ll be busy watching all the ones he did make and enjoying the stuffing out of them lol thanks for always making great content lockstin and gnoggin
Ah yes, the FOUR timelines in zelda: the fall timeline, the child timeline, the adult timeline, and the "we destroyed the triforce help" timeline.
Herein I provide a long comment that demolishes this tenuous theory.
The Legend of Zelda Oracle of Ages punctures so many holes in your theory that it's practically swiss cheese. The Goddess Nayru, for awhile, was associated with time. Nayru is said to have bestowed Law to the land, which can easily be interpreted as the laws of time (physics and righteousness, in a sense). Her corresponding piece of the Triforce is the Triforce of Wisdom, the segment that which Zelda (natch Hylia, a goddess that may be seen as a creation of either the three goddesses or an emissary of Nayru, though I admit this point is a bit of stipulation on my part) wields. Her oracle's harp also warps time, which draws similarties to Zelda's harp and possession of the Ocarina of Time. Nayru->Law->Time->Wisdom->Hylia->Zelda.
Even Farore's Oracle from both Oracle games, who acts as a keeper of secrets, ruins the conflation of spying/secrets with traitors and the Sheikah.
The Twili only wore masks after Zant usurped the kingdom. When freed they were mask free. Though the Twili and the Twilight Realm is the fan-favourite theory that connects the Interlopers with Majora's dark tribe, there's little else to substantiate this theory (which I enjoy myself) to canon, let alone tethering the Sheikah, even the Yiga Clan, into the mix. Oh, and conflating every realm outside of Hyrule proper is a shakey premise at best.
The Dark World of a Link to the Past is what happens to the Golden Realm when the Triforce is held by one of malacious intent. This has nothing to do with warping the Triforce proper, rather it's a reaction/reflection to the heart who seeks to use the relic of the gods. Equally noteworthy: in the original Legend of Zelda, Zelda actually BREAKS her piece of the Triforce. This doesn't send the entirety of Hyrule into disrepair/a state similar to the Dark Realm. Instead, the destruction was contained to a (large) segment of the kingdom, which was presumably (I can't stress the word presumably enough) what results in the wasteland of the first game. No masks, no purple, no dark skin, no red eyes, no spies.
The spies in The Adventure of Link found in some towns (you know, the folks who initially look like your average civilian but transform into monsters that hunt you down) aren't Sheikah (or Yiga), don't have dark skin, aren't red-eyed, don't wear masks, and don't wear purple.
The koroks all wear leaves as faces/masks and can disappear and reappear, akin to spies. Are they a part of this mask cult too? Another rhetorical question: do I need to get into the fact that the entire series has far more than four races, species, and sub-races? And that the deku haven't been a main race in a long time?
The 'point' about the Happy Mask Salesman's and Hilda's 'dark skin' is a massive stretch. His skin tone looks no different than many Hylians'. Many Hylians and humans have darker skin (especially in BotW, but also seen in Twilight Princess). The Gerudo are a range of dark skin tones too, as well as the Sheikah themselves. The Sheikah range from light hues, mid range hues, and dark hues (again, even prior to BotW). The Happy Mask Salesman's red eyes can be interpreted originally as a visual cue for his rage, meant to disturb the player. Also, the dark-skinned Rito from The Wind Waker, with their red eyes, have to somehow factor into this straw-grasping logic too.
Also, Vaati uses eye(s) as prominent symbols, is purple, and has red eyes EXCEPT we know his exact origins: he was a Minish gone bad. However, even before his dark ambitions that led to his range of transformations he was purple and red-eyed. Nothing to do with the Sheikah nor anything to do with a mask cult.
How does Ganon/dorf and the curse of Demise factor into this "It's the fault of one world and one tribe!" theory? How does the nightmare that plagues the Windfish factor? Dark Link? The evil hearts of humans? Bellum? The corrupting power of the Triforce (especially Power) in it's normal state? Onox and Veran? Malladus? Many commenters, myself included, disproved your use of Vaati as "proof". How does Purple Link factor into the "4 and purple signify a single opposing realm of traitors who use masks and eyes as symbols" theory? His existence alone means nothing to corroborate the theory outside of initial clue sniffing.
Termina does have religion/faith/spirituality. You yourself noticed their mention of the goddess of time (which could be read as Nayru, or a current Nayru-Hylia amalgam). The mask festival celebrated by the people of Clock Town was meant to celebrate the gods and the harvest, all while giving thanks and asking for a successful year. The four Giants (yep, I'll give you that number 4 is present, but unrelated to your larger theory) are read as gods, if not demi-gods or lesser deities. They're guardians of Termina, of whom the people thank and rely upon. The Zeldaverse is generally a wide pantheon of mostly ambiguous gods of all sorts, with the three goddesses and now Hylia too as the most prominent members.
The problem with your theory, like most fan theories, is thhat you're using later canon to describe previous games that had nothing to do with current lore. This is called retconning, which to be fair has been a bit of a staple of the series. Clearly this video came out before Breath of the Wild, so I can't fault you for the holes and overlap that game creates to your train of logic, but you did manage to approximate the existence of the Yiga Clan. Kudos for that.
Anyway, this was entertaining but ultimately isn't convincing. Nintendo loves reusing and overlapping previously used themes, imagery, and mottled lore. This tends to encourage equally mottled, cherry-picked proof for fan theories. It's all in good fun, but can rarely be taken seriously.
Robbie Olivo what did he do to deserve that reaction
I just had to stop the video at two minutes in as he claimed that the Hero's Shield was Terminan in origin; Link was given the Hero's Shield (a child-sized version of the Hylian Shield) by the royal family of Hyrule for warning them about Ganondorf. Good eye noticing the owl symbol on the shield, however; it's likely a nod to Kaepora Gaebora/Rauru, the sage who watched over Link throughout his journey and even traversed through to the land of Termina to continue watching him. Also, I approve of your pronunciation of Hylia with a soft "y" sound; I have always done the same.
Thankgod you're here! I wanted to call bullshit on his theory without offending him and you've done it perfectly :)
I have no idea what I read. Man I’m dumb and tired
Huuurrrrrrrrrrrr also another god created life to abide by that law so it is about 90% they meant normal law
I tend to think that the Interloper War happened after Ocarina of Time. Since there is no sign whatsoever of the Light Spirits who played a pivotal role in the banishment of the interlopers in OoT, yet in TP there are entire provinces named after them. I think that the Shiekah, seeing the turmoil caused by Ganondorf, saw their chance and attacked (from their previously unknown /forgotten Hidden Village, explaining the lack of Shiekah in OoT) just after Ganondorf was imprisoned in the Twilight realm and "plunged the shadowy domain into madness"-(Hyrule Historia p.113) Kind of like when Ganondorf was sent to the Sacred Realm in Link to the Past and corrupted it into the Dark World. Also, I think that the interloper war is when and how OoT Link died and became the Hero Shade (notice the battle damaged knight's armor).
Nathan LaSart The most common explanation of the Hero shade is that he's the Link that came back from Termina. Since no one is capable of leaving the Lost woods without a fairy, in this case Navi (which is what he was looking for before the events of MM). So Link dies and becomes a Stalfos, without ever realizing his potential of becoming a hero, and the world forgetting all about him.
However, due to his heroic spirit and vast experience (in a timeline that no longer exists in Twilight Princess) the Hero's Shade helps the Hero of Twilight learns sword techniques.
So to sum it up, The Hero's Shade is the Hero of Time who was turned into a Stalfos in the Lost woods after returning from Termnia.
If I got any of that wrong, please correct me theorists, it's been awhile since I've brushed up on some lore.
The Hyrule Historia specifically calls TP Link "a young man fro Ordon Village in whose veins flowed the blood of the Hero of Time" (p.115) IE, a direct ancestor. If young Link got lost in the Lost Woods, how could he leave an heir.
Also many people are quick to point out that the Stalfoes in TP look VERY different from the Hero Shade.
(Specifically "Link is Dead/Game Theory Haters")
Nathan LaSart Actually I believe it's "hero's bloodline" and most chalk that up to him being the reincarnation of the hero's Spirit, like Ganondorf and Zelda.
In the Castle Graveyard, there exists a tombstone stating that a "cursed swordsman" rests beneath a "sacred Tree".
So this could mean one of two things, either he joined the Royal guard, possible married Malon and is the ancestor of HoT, and was buried in the graveyard.
Or that he did die in the Lost woods, and was buried beneath the Deku Tree, since the Lost woods is directly next to the Kokori village. Leaving his Spirit to live on as a Stalfos
ganondorf never did anything to cause turmoil in the beginning of the child timeline since link told everyone about his plans before ganondorf could attack.
I once started working on a theory video about the Garo and the connection between Hyrule and Termina, but this is so much better.
its like you read like 5 different theories and thought "well they must all be true"
I don't want to be that guy...but Vaati is not from Lorule. He transformed into that purple clothed sorcerer using the power of a wish granting cap.
On another note, where does Agahnim's eye symbol fit into this theory? Instead of a tear, there are two rows of 3 triangles
Ace Hunter Blake You are correct, not to mention the fact that Vaati is a Minish in origin.
I just realized he forgot a certain detail. Look at Yuga's eyes
I think he just meant Vati's power. I mean, one hat isn't going to turn you into a bat eye cloud thing.
Since when do the Minish come from Lorule?
I think that he was talking only about Vaati.
And Vaati was a Minish.
Lorule probably have / had their own version of the Minish.
That's just grasping for straws.
Looking at this, both Hyrule and Lorule had humans (later Twili, according to the theory, in Lorule) and presumably both had Minish as well. At the least, Vaati could have travelled to Lorule and back.
This is fantastic! Whether it was Nintendo's intention to connect the dots this way or not, I love the hypothetical aspect of it all and more so, the foundation on which you built your proof to back up your theories. Love this!
Good theory, except that at the end of a link between worlds, link and Zelda choose to wish back the triforce of Lorule which mends the whole place and makes it one of unicorns, butterflies, and purple rabbits named Ravio. *Ahem, so it doesn’t quite make sense that Lorule is Termina
I mean no, because link between worlds and majora's mask take place in different timelines. LBW takes place in the timeline where link fails to stop ganondorf and MM takes place in the child timeline where link goes back in time. So in the failed timeline link saves lowrule before it can become termina and in the child timeline he arrives to late and lowrule is already termina.