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Zelda Theory: The Multiverse and the Timeline | Gnoggin
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2016
- The Legend of Zelda is split into 3 timelines, but then where do Termina and Lorule fit into the picture? When did those parallel universes split off? Space-time is complicated, so this is Lorule explained, this is Termina explained, this is the Zelda Multiverse explained.
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+Dr.Wily hello :D
+Dr.Wily
IT'S DOCTOH WHAWHEE
+Achilleas Economou hi :)
+Hatsune Hina tihihih
so theres a universe where i have friends.
hard to believe
... you have me ;-;
GhastsStudio same
Me too
Yes, there is! And it is THIS UNIVERSE! Just maybe not at this particular time.
Yep.
This one :)
I died in skyward sword
Oh no! I ended the series from the game it started!
In the end there was only just.....Demise!
XD
"'HEGH he says as he grabs some cereal"
Dammit i choked on my noodles
Aksel Nyffeler congrats you created a universe one where you didn’t choke on your noodles
Well Said ^^ lmao
There is actually An explanation that makes all of the timelines fit into one "universe". Basically, the hero of time was defeated, but by that spell Gannondorf casts at him towards the beginning of the game. The hero is defeated timeline happens, but at the end of a link to the past, Link makes a wish to undo all of gannon's evil. since one of those evils was killing the hero of time, link is revived, but for some reason, 8 years later, causing a new timeline to be born. He defeats Gannon and is sent back in time which causes ANOTHER split. This also explains why their was "an age without a hero" as the hero of twilight gets killed, as he has no hero of time stalfos to teach him some of the still he needs, because the hero of time simply didn't exist in that dimension, as he was sent away by Zelda. The "age without a hero" had a hero, but he died. that's why Hyrule had to be flooded, yada yada yada, and you have Windwaker to explain the rest. Thank you for reading this, this is my first full theory. As for Lorule and Termina,, you nailed it!
If Link just stands there for 3 minutes while you take the trash out after being told to thrice by your mom, that's another canon universe.
@DevilBuster Kaz and porn.
@@snake4322 *has flashbacks to the sfm animation where midna played saria's song on link's dick like a flute*
This basically makes the CDi games canon, technically.
+Musomania27 In a far off timeline known as the CDI universe, everyone there has mental problems.
Gaming Powerz OH BOY
Musomania27 Mah boi, peace is what all true warriors strive for!
Excuuuse me princess
CDi-verse
That was pretty thorough, but I believe there's one very small notion you glossed over.
Demise wanted the Triforce to rule the land, yes, but he also vowed revenge against Zelda and Link. This vow, forged by hatred and darkness, created the recurring prophecy of darkness (Ganondorf/Demise) threatening Hyrule (Zelda), and only the hero of legend (Link) being able to wield the sacred sword of the goddesses to oppose this darkness. It was part power-thirsty tyrant, part personal agenda, that created Ganon in the first place as Twinrova repeatedly summoned Demise from the darkness.
That creates a small inconsistency with the Majora's Mask theory you set up, which is that Demise would still thirst for revenge against Link and Zelda, and consecutively return of his own accord eventually to claim the land as his, own, whether it's calling itself Hyrule, Termina, or Miami, and then seek out the latest version of the legendary hero to kill him.
Also, Multiverse canon is the worst canon. It degenerated Pokémon into a cheap joke, made Dragonball a ridiculous mess, and it's by far the laziest plot device to forego coherent writing and acknowledging previous miatakes in establishing a universe.
I wonder what the very, very, very first universe before any split happened, looks like
Anthony Moore what ever happened that made the Big Bang happen that's would be the first spit that we could know. One where the Big Bang happened and one were it didn't happen.
there isn't one before the goddeses created hyrule din tripped on a rock and created like 50 million timelines from that
The multiverse theory has been debunked.
That was us before the Big Bang
Kaiser Knapp ... Theoretical Physics don’t work like fan theories. You don’t just “debunk” this sort of thing.
Seriously, Lockstin, the effort you put on these is envious coming from a guy with similar editing skills, and still managing to keep the channel active despite the dozens of hours you probably spend on these is just admirable. All my respects, mate!
Also big congratulations to Dr Wily too :)
they are strong independent deities who don need no realm XD
Here is how *I* understood things and think how it is:
-The "Child" and "Adult Timelines" are two *Timelines* existing in *Universe A*
-The "Declined Timeline" is not really a timeline but mostly it's own universe with only one timeline so far. Lets call it *Universe B*
-Lorule, Hyrule, Sacred Realm/Dark world, Termina and the Twlight Realm are *Worlds* existing within *Universe A* and *Universe B*
Lorule is not a Universe it's a parallel world existing in the same universe as Hyrule from ALBW. If Lorule would be visited in in Universe A (depending on the Timeline) than it would mimic that Hyrule (with the opposites that differentiates the two World).
For example Wind Waker Link somehow goes to Lorule and sees that the sea did not engulf the land.
The Gulf of Mexico
UTSU What?
+Mudkip971 what did I do?
+UTSU Gulf of Mexico?
+Mudkip971 "...the sea did not engulf the land"
12:32 We don't see the Triforce in the Stone Tower in the 3DS version, Nintendo took it out.
12:43. Tatl and the dude in the Great Bay Spider House mention the Goddess of Time.
16:30 It's possible that wars can actually improve the progress of technology. But since this is a fantasy game, anything is possible.
Normally I'm fine with ads in videos. But when people do it in the middle of a video, that's when i get annoyed.
Agreed
samr
+Ryan Morris I know he was trying to just be creative, but it didn't really work for me :(
+Ryan Morris there was a skip button
+PoKitMonster In windowed, you can't even click it. Granted, I don't think he meant for that to happen.
In phantom hourglass (the adult timeline) link is in a different universe where the gods are the ocean King , the golden frog and belum (wisdom,courage and power)
however, Majora proved to be more powerful than the giants.
personal theory : majora is the terminian counterpart to Hylia.
"Slender sexy looks"
*picture of CHILD link*
Mr Gnoggin would you take a seat?
Umm… you skipped the first "E" in child timeline at 1:38
+The Natarator So Tim cant have his own line now? What's up with that?
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>_< How do I miss this stuff...
+Gnoggin Tim can have his line. I was just a bit worried about the whole "time" part in Ocarina of Time. Speaking of, we should get Tim an ocarina.
+The Natarator I like "humanily" more... 6:22
+wewmaker what the hell are you talking about?
I read somewhere (and it might not be canon anymore) that Termina was accidentally made, that when the goddesses breathed life into Hyrule some of their breath entered a crack in space-time creating Termina. I could also theorize that since the Terminians KNEW they were an accident, that they would blaspheme the goddesses and subsequently the Triforce.
I would love to play a game as ganondorf venturing into the sacred realm to steal the triforce of power over the course of the 7 years that link is sealed away after pulling the mastersword out of its pedistal.
Playing from the villians perspective is an interesting concept that should be encouraged and explored.
Oh, uh they do worship a goddess in termina, The Goddess Of Time. But yes, they do value the giants more. I guess the goddess is supposed to be a replacement to Hylia... So...
Nice ad transitions. You made it fit in near seamlessly.
There's a difference between Worlds and Universes; just to make it more complicated both Lorule and Hyrule can exist in the same Universe but in different dimensions from each other. You didn't take that into account at all
My favorite major timeline is the 4th, the one where young Link doesn't even start his journey :P
Does Demise actually reincarnate as Ganondorf though? Is it every explicitly stated? Demise says his hate never perishes and it will be born anew. I understood that to mean that he is the embodiment of evil and there will always be evil. That way every monster and villain is Demise not just Ganondorf. Is there anything to disagree with this idea?
"he warns Link that it was not over, and that an incarnation of his hatred would be reborn as a being to pursue domination of the world, as well as those with the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero, in a cycle without end"
To make things short
He can and is most likely to be the reincarnaton of every villain that threatens to domain the world or hunt down zelda or link.
so yeah... he is ganon, vaati, etc. unless stated otherwise in the future and he may also be some of the monsters on the games (not all though) maybe just the evil ones, and maybe not a direct reincarnation but they are spawns from its evil powers (it's not like the yellow chuchu you just killed is demise itself).
at least thats how I see the monsters=demise theory.
Eduardo Morro hat is how I took it. Not Demise = Ganon, I see it as Demise = All evil. We agree.
Just people say Demise, Zelda and Link all reincarnate and that is not how I take it.
I also see it as Hylia's curse if anything. She set in place the plan that her chosen hero would fight evil and it just so happens the evil cannot be killed forcing the hero to appear every time.
3:25
"CRAP!!!!!", he says as he grabs a box of Cucco Puffs...
Am I the only one that likes the black-haired, red-eyed Zelda chick better than regular Zelda?
Your not alone! Hilda is better and more to the point than Zelda (in my opinion)!
Hilda is indeed better, it's not a reversed world for nothing. In the light world Zelda is bitchy and Link is a badass. In dark world Hilda has both looks *and* brains, while Link is being a purple pussy who can't do anything by himself. It would've been much more interesting if Link remained in the dark world and hooked up with Hilda in LttP but hey, it's nintendo we are talking about here, they'd never do the right thing with their permanent overly cautious playing-it-safe policy of theirs.
Dark World is *not* Lorule, genius.
Also, since when was Hilda in ALttP?
Dark Pariah no
@@zelg.5551 you're an idiot. She got duped by Yuga so easily. Link was scared yeah, but he never let his kingdom be completely destroyed. Hilda's more of a bitch for not caring that a close friend of hers left lorule.
Another theory i enjoy that connects to the termina difference has to do with the dark interlopers and ancient hexing tribe of Majora's mask. Theories about design of their relics and both being regarded as "dark" connect the two as one group that eventually become the twili (by canon lore). So i propose that in the child timeline, the goddesses intervene when the interlopers attempt to control the triforce, with the fuzed shadow being their attempt to transform and control the triforce. But the multiverse theory also suggests a timeline where the interlopers succeed in controlling and destroying/transforming the triforce before perishing for an unknown reason (possibly the goddesses intervening too late to stop the process but can stop the interlopers). The stone tower temple was their ritual grounds, hence the triforce blasphemy. The goddesses had a soft spot for the triforce and could not bring themselves to destroy an alternate form of it, so it was instead hidden within the ruins of the ritual grounds before the happy mask salesman came across it and chose to "protect" it leading to the events of MM. With the mask gone, the world found peace and grew to choose new deities (giants) and let technology advance. At some point, rumors of majora's mask began to surface and led to the creation, possibly with the help of the mask salesman who has inter-dimensional powers still to be defined, of a mask of their ultimate deity that they credit with the creation of the universe and the giants in an attempt to combat the possible threat majora's mask poses on their universe. This is the termina that link falls into from within the lost woods, though we still dont know how he returned to his universe to become shade from TP.
Tnx for hiding the "skip" button under the progress bar forcing us to watch it...
+Nathan C.
I could still click it d:
Perhaps it isn't the decision that creates an alternate universe, but rather EVERY alternate timeline already exists that each have some minor change preset across their complete timelines.
Wouldn't it make more sense if the series' stories are, just like the title implies, a legend? A legend that has been passed down through generations and like most legends changed over time and developed many versions of the story until no one knows which version is the real story
6:19
the best part of the ENTIRE video. xD
I have heard it said that the Downfall Timeline is not that Link dies, but when Link had to go back in time to get the silver gauntlets to move the giant block in the Sand Temple. In that way, Link was not in the world, allowing Ganon to rule Hyrule.
Somewhere over the rainbow there is a Hyrule with a sideways purple triforce made of cookies, everyone only eats pie and the major industry is baking. An incarnation of Demise has been reborn as Ganondorf. He wants to obtain the cookie of power, full of chocolate chips. Link must face off against him in the annual baking tournament. Zelda gets prepared to judge when it starts to rain jelly.
This is OBVIOUSLY a MAJOR timeline, in which the golden- no- the purple goddesses decide to create the world differently.
I MEAN, WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE HERE!
2 minutes in and already, multiverse theory doesn't actually work like that. The theory states that for every choice, there is a universe where you didn't make that choice. But it does not say every choice creates a new universe. The universe where Link had 2% moomoo may be one where Ganendorf practices ballet on his days off and faries don't exist. Not every choice makes a new universe, only Key choices.
Minor choices aren't thought to create new realities unless they have major repercussions.
I like the above explanation. Another way of putting it is if the fish picked actually made you sick the next day while the normal fish you could've picked wouldn't. The consequences again aren't apparent immediately but eventually results. If you put it up to the above one, that would mean had you normally picked the fish you usually picked then the family in question would be sick.
Man, those hypothetical kids don't know how hypothetically good they got it in that hypothetical alternate universe.
I remember watching this video about a year ago, and I still remember the cereal metaphor. It really helped me. Thx, guys!
I just figured that, within each of the three timelines, all of the realms (Hyrule, Lorule, Termina, The Twilight Realm, The Sacred Realm, etc.) exist, with the goddesses involved with each of each of them to some extent or another. That said, a very interesting and well thought-out theory. I just never thought to consider the other realms as a multiverse due to timeline alterations.
To put my throughts in another way:
The goddesses made three separate main universes, each perhaps with their own sacred realm for their Triforce to dwell: Hyrule, Lorule, and Termina. These don't exist because of timeline alterations of choice, but rather were created separately, from the beginning. Each of these universes has a Triforce due to the goddesses leaving them there upon creation. The Twilight Realm only exists as part of Hyrule for very specific reasons concerning the interlopers. Each timeline split depicted on the timeline envelopes these three universes as a coherent set, if that makes any sense.
I just wanted to say that the thumbnail got it wrong, the Omniverse is everything, every idea ever thought, every concept ever conceived, it's even bigger than the multiverse, as it contains every multiverse in existence. The omniverse is basically a "set of all sets" if you'll excuse the paradox. Also, I personally like to believe that when the Terminians destroyed the Triforce, the goddesses decided "these guys may have blasfemed our sacred power, but their world too young to be destroyed, like lowrule," and then created the Giants.
So in breath of the wild we have a time line where link goes straight to fight Gannon and for the order we fight the beast and one when link doesn’t get his memory’s back
Sadly Termina has been retconned from a full fledged parallel universe into a physical creation of the skull kid's grief with majora's power.
I remember reading a MASSIVE theory regarding Termina and the goddesses, talking about how the people of Ikana were being blasphemous to the Goddesses in many ways, and built the tower as a sort of "Tower of Babel" to go to the heavens and take down the goddesses directly. The theory goes that in response, the goddesses flipped the tower upside down, and the portal at the end of the Stone Tower Temple that sends you to the boss? It was meant to go to the Golden Realm where the Goddesses reside, but instead sends you to hell due to the tower being flipped over.
The theory was really good, and really went into hardcore details. This video reminds me of it, and I have to wonder if you read it too. :D I actually love this video so much (even though I missed it when it came out). Zelda Theories give me vitality man, and this video is top tier.
OMG I HAVE A THEORY!!!!! What if every single world in he Zelda multiverse has its own mult-universe metafold like in Xenoblade!!! What if it’s already happened... even as far back as Skyward Sword!!!! Let me explain: Demise was said to have come out of a crack from the earth, and as we can see he has an upside down triforce on his sword. No I’m not saying he’s lorulian, I’m saying that Demise or Yuga or whatever the villain is in each dimension, it’s due to one lustful person of power coming to a different dimension over and over and over in the multiverse. The monsters are all just spawns of hatred. And the demise’s are all just beings from other dimensions of this ENDLESS multiverse.
Okay, here's my issue with the timeline split thing: If Link was DEFINITELY sent back in time, how is there a timeline of him being an adult? Like, unless he was split into two separate copies of himself and ONE of them was sent back in time, him being sent back in time means there's no timeline of him living on after the battle as an adult. People always brush over this, and I don't understand it.
I think there are two timelines in both Termina and Lorule. Since the Downfall and Adult Timelines start when Link is an adult, Termina would be destroyed in both. Also, for Lorule, since nobody interacted with it in the child and adult timelines, it probably crumbled by the end of those timelines.
That was THE most shameless promotion I have ever seen.....
So if this is the case, that leaves one big question unanswered: Where are Hyrule's Four Giants? If Termina is a parallel universe to Hyrule, where the people worship the Four Giants instead of the Goddesses, that must mean that Hyrule must also have its own Four Giants. But where are they?
Hold up real quick though. That whole link being gone for 7 years wouldn’t trigger the flood. Because regardless he does come back to beat Gannon. I think the time shift thingy happened after he got lost in Termina where I believe that version of link still lives to eternally repeat that 3 day cycle.
Not that it _really_ affects your theory, but the Triforce wasn't the first decision in the Zelda universe. It is specifically stated in Ocarina of Time that the Triforce was created as the Goddesses left the universe _after_ creating the world.
What about the inverted Triforce on Demise's sword? Is that just to insult it as well?
***** Nigga, what?
Demise is native to Hyrule underground, though.
15:00 Ah, so I see that Superman's plan succeeded
The joke is that on AT4W there's a running gag about how Superman wants to prevent wars in order to make humanity develop their space travel faster so he can get back home. This was introduced in an episode about a version of Superman created by Stan Lee as a what if sort of concept.
so... in an alternate timeline i DID throw that chicken into death mountain YOU MONSTER! but for real good job piecing this all together.
The end section reminds me of the Stone Tower of Babel Theory. It basically wants to say everything yours did. It also says something about some of the pillars in Stone Tower, which you will never unsee.
Dr Wily sounds like a Dutch guy trying to speak British English and I love it
If you skip minish cap again I'm going to go to the next convention your at and yell at you for like an hour
This is assuming that the infinite universe theory is right, which I don't think it is. If it was, there would exist a universe that ends up destroying all other universes.
+Edward Davis it also assumes that one very specific version of the theory is correct
True, just... you know? Doing something stupid like, posting an opinion on RUclips... Never drink lol
+Edward Davis but it also assumes that there is a universe that stops said universe or is home to a being that does
+Tim Lieu also there might be, but an universe thatvdestroys an infinite amount o universes, minus infinite from infinte equals infinte, so this is really unlikly
Also the branching time stream theory is literally the same thing as multiverse theory.
Light Realm/World, Twilight Realm and Dark World/Sacred Realm are planes of existence in pretty much every Zelda universes and Termina and Lorule are alternate timelines/universes. Hight, length, width, and depth are dimensions.
The Legend of Hilda would make an Interesting spin-off series. Also the Triforce is golden to represent that it is made from the powers of the three GOLDEN Goddess. Also It is possible that the Goddesses made a different goddess watch over the Triforce in what would eventually become Lorule instead of Hylia. Likely someone with "Lo" in their name to symbolize the different goddess that was worshiped. A Black Triforce would likely either be demonic instead of Holy or have required Three BLACK goddesses to create it.
**Imagines an alternate universe in reality where Shiggy made The Legend of Hilda**
Actually, LoZ DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE LINK IS MARIO'S DREAM SELF. Yungtown proved it on "Now You Believe it, Now You Don't."
So you're wrong.
Hold up, isn't Termina basically the beginning of the child timeline? Like it's literally linked directly to OOT. In fact when I google the official timeline, it shows MM>TP>4 swords...so why is this even a question? Unless I'm completely misunderstanding something...
DISCLAIMER: I mean no offense, after all multiverse theory is a complicated subject with many versions and intricities which would be difficult to research for such a video, also the zelda universe(s) do seem to use the choice-defined multiverse theory and this is an enjoyable video
That said, this is ONE theory of a multiverse(also the one that is least likely imho), ironically enough you briefly mentioned the bubble multiverse as well, however you imposed the choice defined multiverse over it. The bubble multiverse theory requires no decision nor does it state that universes divide based on decisions. If however there are infinite universes, then there would be one for every small *logical* difference as result of minute fundamental differences in the fabric of the given universe *not the other way around*, as well as an infinite number of duplicate universes. Further you deciding which milk to drink for breakfast would not be the differentiating factor as we make decisions based on purely deterministic process, so if you were to chose the other milk it would be the result of a difference in your brain, which would likely span more different decisions than merely which milk you drink for breakfast, meaning that it is unlikely a universe exists where the only difference is the milk you drink for breakfast(unless some truly random, independent from the universe, factor is used to make the decision). Finally the biggest problem with multiverse theory as it stands is that it is a non-falsifiable theory, so we might as well occam's razor it away.
They can do whatever they dang please
NEO_PIXEL: *Brain actually starts functioning*
Deities: Hmm,,, so we created Hyrule.......... What about midrule......... just destroy it
"He's a kid and he wants to have fun, but when you need a superhero he gets the job done."
Who drew that awesome Gnoggin art?
Now it's official: Lockstin is now with Dr. Wily on the evil side.
Mega Man will never beat you! XD
One more idea crosses my mind for Termina - it is a reality created by Demise himself during the era of the war between himself and Hylia. Knowing of the Triforce and its might but outright opposing it would explain the blasphemy against the goddesses, even moreso if Demise's throne as a deity were in Ikana, a country devoted to war and death that also opposed the goddesses. This would make Termina a form of "Hell" in the Zelda universes, and once the source of everyone's oppression (Demise) was destroyed in the mortal world it could begin to exist as a world all its own, apart from the Triforce and therefore not reliant on it. This would also end the Ikana family's influence and cause their kingdom to rot from the inside. Works even better what with the portal to Termina being deep in the ground, the place where the demons were shown to have been sealed at the beginning of Skyward Sword.
Isn't it possible that Termina is connected to Hyrule in every universe and therefore Lorule has its own Termina?
Finally! Someone popular brought up the Stone Tower Temple theory! Ever since mat pat ruined majoras mask by making kids think link was dead I've been hoping he would redeem himself by showing the STT the royal but he never did.
18:57 so speed runners glitching through walls and walking on nothing and swimming backwards is cannon?
5:45 "Because they're deitys, and they can do whatever they dank please"
There is an inaccuracy in your video. In the child timeline, the Hero of Time was not remembered as a hero, and thus would have no reason to choose 2% Moo Moo Milk.
But seriously, the video is great.
Are you gonna do an discussion on Parallel Realms of LoZ, like Subrosia and the Twilight Realm, and how they fit?
So, first the game series started out as a disconnected series of games. Then the fans started to connect them, but as there were no clear connections, many debated these timelines. It became so large of a debate that Nintendo released their OWN timeline. THEN the fans debated this official timeline! Now it reached a head as a multi universe theory. So, we essentially took a game series with infinite possibilities and cornered it down to only having infinite possibilities. Are you happy, fans?!? Are you?!?
...Wait...
I know this is a 4 year old video but hear me out. In tandem with the theory that there are only two realms. Lorule, The Dark World, The Twilight Realm, Termina. They are all the same, just in different stages throughout the timeline. Going through a deteriorating process from having its triforce destroyed. This is not a new theory.
BUT, what I have to add to it is that I believe Kilton, Zant, and The Happy Mask Salesman, are also iterations of the dark realms Link just like Ravio. (yes this means I also believe Midna is connected to Hilda but we're not talking about them right now.) They all always have something to do with masks, are associated with the color purple, and typically aid link in some discrete, sometimes borderline cynical, way. (Zant's a pretty far stretch but hey man the twilight realm is jacked up.)
Anyway where i'm going with this is i'm predicting BotW 2 is going to introduce the other side of the coin for this era and i'm betting Kilton will be playing a pretty decent role in getting you to and from it.
We could also consider exact timeline duplication. There's no rule against infinite universes that are completely identical. The fact that these duplicates would be exactly the same would pose a huge problem. What would happen if Link is transported into the identical universe where he meets his exact duplicate? How will one link know that they they are the original and that the other is the duplicate if their respective universes are literal clones with zero differences? Would one replace the other or would they team up? Also, what happens to his original universe where he suddenly disappears from the timeline?
Why do RUclipsrs always use breakfast as an example to explain the multiverse theory?
The whole Omniverse theory is just a way to Cannon your story without disrupting The Narrative of the original story created by the creators
Actually The Only food and drink items in the games are Milk, Soup, Potions and a fish that Link gives to Lord Jabu Jabu (Whale)
Creative way of bringing up the ad, but I'd much rather have it at the end or the beginning of the video, were it belongs, Mr.Lockstin.
Majora's mask and therefore Termina are in the official child timeline. You can't make a theory that goes against the information already given to us by the makers of the games because it just makes the theory null and void. As for Lorule, (and I'm not sure about this) it has no place on the official timeline meaning that it is completely separate from the the other games just like Hyrule warriors. Also, anything that results in a game over screen or you resetting to the last save point cannot be canon.
I love how Nintendo chooses to say absolutely nothing about all that time stone shenanigans from Skyward Sword In terms of timelines universes etc.
The only problem I really have is that it wouldn't make sense for Termina to be more technologically advanced because of the absence of war. Historically, war ramps up innovation in technology. Nuclear power, jet engines, the internet, computers, duct tape, GPS, tampons, hell even Spam and Nutella were all created or started to fill a need during war. Nuclear energy is probably the most well-known example thanks to WWII and the Manhattan project. But, there are so many more examples. The need to innovate is cranked up when it means the life or death of your brothers and sisters backed by an unlimited war-time budget.
actually it's still two universes, with the same start. the split doesn't mean that the two new universes split from the past, they SHARE the past.
The many worlds interpretation is effectively irrelevant when discussing either the causes or relationship of the parallel realms in Zelda , this is for two reasons ,
1 It's magic .
2 It's fictional .
Any conclusions that one comes to can only be derived from Zeldas' internal mechanics .
So if there is not gannon in Majora's Mask, can you explain the intensions of that mask? and the diety mask too
why does the hyrule triforce, the top triangle look more light and compared to the bottom ones less messy
Lorule is actually the old Sacred Realm that got transformed into the Dark World by Ganondorf.
So was Majora's Mask created as a way of removing the Triforce and/or the Golden Goddesses from Termina, and Majora is the way of revenge for the Golden Goddesses by turning on Termina like Termina did to them?
Lorule and Termina are actually the same place, the Twilight realm is the same one too just at different points in time. Lorule = early, Termina = middle, T.R. = late
There was a theory that Termina is the same universe as Lorule, which I kind of follow- it seems like it can be very plausible
Pretty sure that everything you said about Termina implies that it's the future of Lorule. After all, they destroyed the Triforce because they saw it as a horrible object that causes people to turn into monsters over greed, and after Between Worlds we know that Lorule is rebuilt without the Triforce, the different regions and the fact that the giants moved the land to create them (which would be an excellent fix to Lorule's little trench problem)...
You guys just kind of... Glanced over that major connection. It was right there, guys.
I wish you talked about the realm of the ocean king from Phantom Hourglass too.
I like this theory. But every version of Lorule except 1 ends up destroyed because they didn't have Zelda and Link to wish for their Triforce to return.
My favorite Canon in the Zelda Universe, is where Link can play music on his bottle.
+Elick Ashcroft If this multiverse theory is supported enough, then another choice that would create another universe would be his choice on what item to glitch into being treated as the Ocarina of Time.
This episode dragged on and was really weak.
plus the advertisement.
eh.
Speaking as someone who was raised mainly on Sierra games, (with some Sega games thrown in here and there,) and who only really got into Zelda during my teenage years, their idea of a "timeline" feels like the plot of the first "Red Vs Blue." A bunch of stuff randomly happens, then they try to tie it together after the fact, even though that was clearly never the intention before.
I guess what I'm saying is; Wind Waker and Twilight Princess made me stop caring about the "overarching story" of the Zelda series.
I have one good question: How did the Lorule Royal Family destroy their Triforce
all this talk of multiverses makes me think that any universe with speed running and glitches must be very interesting
Imagine all the Link crosses over to defeat the different evil forces in one game
What if in Termina, Majoras Mask has the triforce of power, the giants share the ower of the triforce of wisdom, and the Fierce Deity mask has the triforce of courage in it?
Great theory lockstin! If you you are looking for something to wonder about I recently found something in fire emblem awakening. They say the falchion and fire emblem were shattered by something and that explains their new appearances. Now this leads to the question how were they reforged.